@@mrme3947Do you feel personally offended when an ill considered and quite belligerent statement of his got called out by experts in the field? It seems like many do. Musks statement struck most people interested in aviation matters as pretty ignorant about the subject and the drone swarm context of it which has precious little to do with military aviation appealed to the drone monomaniac crowds who were seeking validation for their already poor understanding of the uses and misuses of each of these things.
“Before Musk has the opportunity to see all the classified metrics on the F-35.” That is the most terrifying thing with regard to geo-politics I think I have ever heard.
@@Lucas-hb1uq sure luke. Man to man if you want to make a point try not to use the words "stan" or "literally." Especially when they LiTeRaLlY don't apply... ✌
#1: The perfect F-35 Mission..... Based on its Sensors and Data Link...... That's now happened Twice, at least. One Air Force Squadron of F-35s is on Strike Mission and Destroys their assigned Targets but, uses all their Air to Ground Weapons to complete their Mission. However, while originally RTB (Return To Base) is then credited with Air to Air, Air to Ground, Surface to Surface, and Even Surface to Sea Targets Destroyed. Lastly, when the Squadron Finally Lands they Still have All their Air to Air Weapons and Canon Rounds. So.....Whatever an F-35 locks up, anything with the same Data Link and in range Will Shoot at that target: an Aircraft Weapons, Man Pad Weapons, SAM Site Weapons, or Ship's Weapons. Tie for #1: An Easier way to tell that the F-35 Works...... Israel (They have F-35s) keeping their Mouth's Shut about the F35.....
Yep, pretty much, a Uber driver, taxi dispatcher and rugby football mission passing platform... very adaptable, although I doubt it really can do A10 stuff with 10% of its ammo and a quarter of its pylons, but a distributed warfare suit is meant to compensate for that.
@mryouben What AI are you talking about exactly? I am not aware of an AI that can perform adaptive & complex stealth missions without a human in the loop. The F35 is a flying human controlled supercomputer with vastly superior sensing, carrying & range capacities than anything that exists on the market. Human independent AI doesn't exist. The only AI bots china produces turn out to be fake & Elon can't even make a robot like Boston Dynamics did in 2005 that doesn't fall over or a car that doesn't crash or stops on the highway to perform a software update. That's just propaganda to steal tax payers money. AI is limited to specific tasks & the F35 already uses it. Finally AI doesn't exist because no program is intelligent. That's a programmers joke. In the 70tees we used to call them pattern matching relational databases but that was a mouthfull of boring words so we then called it AI. Nothing was invented, we just changed the name. You can find all this in the book AI by Michael Negnevitsky. We've been doing AI for over 50 years. Nothing changed, apart from the pleasant surprise that if you can predict words, you can fool the people you've become intelligent. The reason chatGPT sucks at math is because it works with probabilities. It doesn't know the value of the words. Add some redundant information & it will fuck up because it can't reason. 🥲
@@mryouben Nobody will ever allow AI to have independent control of weapons. Humans will always be on a loop. AI developers would probably want the humans to be in the loop so that they're never liable for war crimes.
@@ukrgeo34-s9ybecause he isn’t in charge of the critical mechanisms in most of “his” businesses. If he was, a lot of the businesses associated with him would have flopped long ago
If he wants to “doge” the DoD he won’t cut “Space Force” or any other program he profits off! To F-35 program is one huge ticket item that would free up a lot of money! If it makes sense or not is not Elons concern as long as he gets to Mars!!
Aside from what USAF and USN think, the 10ish international partners in the JSF Programme will not allow further disruption from an oligarch with no elected position. FEM, FDJT
Did I miss when there was an explanation why drones wouldn't be superior or least an alternative? I mean it is pretty obvious to me, but the title suggests the video would be about the that.
They both will play a role- between drone and fighters. The 6th gen has been around for over 5yrs, it's not shown or advertised. If you see it, there's already something a head of it.
It happens Elon is an expert at AI controlled vehicles, right? Those self-driving cars. That someday he will deliver. On time? What was the original budget for that?
It is not that I hear a defense analyst actually speaking truthfully about the limitations of autonomous drones and why human pilots are incredibly hard to replace. Where I think Musk is correct is that for most missions which are essentially taking out surface assets, a drone is far cheaper , smaller and likely more efficient at completing the mission with a significantly lowered risk to the command aircraft crew. In a dogfight, ai will be very limited as it cannot think creatively . F-35 is an offensive weapon system, not a defensive one.
Nope, it has no chance to enter the base or hangar, and probably little chance of travelling to the base unnoticed. Aegis ashore, Phalanx, DEW and a host of other GBAD will not allow that.
Musk is right and wrong ,that F35 is complicated aircraft and expensive to maintain he is right but about forgetting about this type aircraft and start going with UVA (DRON) is wrong we absolutely need both
If you think Musk meant by "drones" he meant quad copters his critics are dead wrong.Un-manned planes with pilots operating from a stand off position can pull more G`s can do riskier missions are cheaper because the training might not be as expensive. I think he thinks that AI with human back up over the next 10 years might surpass spending levels over concentrating on manned aircraft in the next 30 years which is the time F 35 is supposed to cover.I think politics is what has clouded people`s minds which is dangerous.
Whereas everyone who buys a Model 3 needs it to do exactly the same thing 🙄 The Model Y shares its platform. No trade-offs there at all. Range? Frontal area? Battery pack size? Why does it even have a steering wheel? And why does the Robotaxi not have one? Fully autonomous might be on the horizon but today’s world is optionally unmanned at a minimum. And not just because of NHTSA or FAA regulations either.
RF GBAD is wildly deficient and unable to cover their land mass so of course converted ultralight aircraft can travel 500km to destroy oil storage tanks. They are replacing Tomahawk TLAM not F22 or F35, mainly because Ukraine must use what it can make not wait for American weapons and permission to use them.
He's wrong given the commonality across the variants and their supply chain. Three distinct types like F14, F15, F16 would have cost a load more. USAF USN USMC Do distinct work so have distinct requirements. None that a $250 drone can do..
Elon isn't just some aviation fanboy. Maybe he wants in on the drone industry. He does make rockets and self sriving cars as well as having Pentagon contracts already. Perhaps he is trying to start a fighter drone program and not just expressing his personal opinion. The F35 works well to ky knowledge in that it sure shoots things down but are autonomous units the future? Probably because they can fly faster with no regard for life support systems, radiation or G force effects. People assume that drones have to be small or cheap. Why? Why can't they be large and expensive? In fact they have SUV sized drones already. The question is how it stacks up against not only today's jets but also the costs of today's pilots. They'd of course require human oversight.
So what if you just built a F35 with an AI instead of a pilot..? You’re comparing a small quad copter to an F35 I highly doubt that’s what Elon meant.. You can purpose build an aircraft with no cockpit
F-16 co-designer Pierre Sprey berated the F-35 "inherently a terrible plane, because it's built based on a dumb idea"-a multirole, multi-service aircraft. "You've compromised the aircraft horribly for three different missions, and then you've compromised it again for three different services." He said the aircraft was "astonishingly unmaneuverable" because of its ratio of wing surface to weight. "In dogfighting, it's hopeless.
Sprey never designed an aircraft in his entire life, and was clueless about air combat. The only thing he was good at was hyping himself up and befriending other clueless analysts.
@@bluemarlin8138 'Sprey' has actually become a pretty useful keyword imho. Simply inverting every single statement of a text containing it often yields surprisingly accurate analyses.
@@eldarshamukhamedov4521 he helped set the requirements working close with the fighter mafia. Also the A10. If he had gotten his way 100% then the F16 would have a smaller front cross section making it harder to see plus having super cruise. The poor requirements is the primary reason the F35 is a big disaster
Musk is right. the amount of power needed for vertical takeoff is insane. It is impossible to cool the engine. Harrier replacement should have been separated years ago.
#1. The F35B is the True "Successor" to The 50+ Year old Harrier Jump Jet. It's not even close to the Heat Seeking (IR) Missile Magnet the Harrier Became. #2. The F35B has Longer Range, Flys Higher, Beat the "Air to Air Combat" British Harrier in a Fly Off (Funny no one talks about that fly off), and Carries more Weapons Externally (when stealth no longer matters).
What does the word “insane” mean in that sentence? Kids nowadays seem to use the word “insane” when they mean to say….superlative, or highly commendable, or pleasantly remarkable. Are you using the word in its old fashioned sense of mental incapacity that requires 24 hour nursing care? Vertical take off aircraft have been flown by British, and American and other pilots, none of them insane, for many years. The engines have both heated up and cooled down. Argentine and Syrian enemies have been thoroughly defeated and Iranians are reeling. Russian enemies may describe this as “insane” if they please. It makes flying in NATO airspace no safer for them.
Vertical take off is never used except as a stunt. For actual missions where payload has to be carrier STOVL aircraft like the Harrier and the F-35B do a rolling take off. The Harrier actually required a water tank behind the pilot to cool the Pegasus engine during landing, which gave you about 60 seconds to land successfully or else you'd overheat the engine.
@@ChucksSEADnDEADCorrect. Vertical takeoff use is for dispersed F35B aircraft in a forrest probably doing A2G with no AIM120 just AIM9x for self defence and LGBs without drop tanks. So supporting NATO Advanced Forward Presence in the Baltics, not the core Naval CSG operations. Obviously Norway, Denmark and Finland would help with their dispersed F35As. They plan to disperse flight operations to public highway bases all over their countries. 2km straight, no streetlights, and tarmac areas at each end is a bit of a tell tale..
Corporate greed and acquisition malfeasance had a baby named F35. An incredible waste of money. F35 program fought for all the acquisition money and won because they owned the politicians, political appointees and generals looking forward to MIC jobs after retirement. Instead of hundreds of upgraded F15 aircraft, hundreds of defective F35s were bought before they were viable. And those block 3 aircraft will never be upgraded because it’s not doable. Even if it were possible, upgrading block 3 is not worth it because so few hours are left on those airframes … plus the upgrade does not fix everything. Here’s the bad news … the low observable F35 is not invisible to many types of detection/tracking outside the x band. Once an F35 is detected, it is in big trouble because it can not win a close combat dogfight(can’t turn, poor aerodynamic drag at air combat velocities, high wing loading, mediocre flight envelope, gun not useful due to gun’s short range and impossible to out turn the adversary to get behind them to use the gun, no short range missiles inside the weapons bay). And it’s too slow; once detected, all gen 4 fighters can chase down a fleeing F35 and shoot it down. As a strike aircraft, it also sucks. Small payload, vulnerable during close air support, does not even get close, instead uses small diameter bombs from a distance, and sucked the money away from the A10 program which does provide close air support that is literally close
The F-16 has higher wing loading than the F-4 Phantom. If your brain is rattling inside your head, that's because modern aircraft have body lift and conventional wisdom regarding wing loading isn't valid anymore. The F-35 is faster than 4th gen aircraft because they carry weapons and fuel tanks externally. 4th gen speeds are recorded in clean configuration to minimize drag. An aircraft without external tanks can't get within range of a F-35. An aircraft with external tanks and weapons can't chase a F-35 flying clean.
Imagine Elon Musk being wrong! He’s a walking embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
haha do you feel better now???
Amen
@@mrme3947lol! And u?
@@mrme3947Do you feel personally offended when an ill considered and quite belligerent statement of his got called out by experts in the field? It seems like many do. Musks statement struck most people interested in aviation matters as pretty ignorant about the subject and the drone swarm context of it which has precious little to do with military aviation appealed to the drone monomaniac crowds who were seeking validation for their already poor understanding of the uses and misuses of each of these things.
“Before Musk has the opportunity to see all the classified metrics on the F-35.” That is the most terrifying thing with regard to geo-politics I think I have ever heard.
Totally agree. I'm afraid these people are going to jeopardize our national security in ways that may take decades to recover
The British are so polite at not calling Musk what he is, an idiot. I guess you have to tread lightly when talking about the real president of the US.
You people are so precious.
@ Oh… we found our first Elon stan
@@Lucas-hb1uq thank you for proving my point Luke...
@ It’s literally the other way around.
@@Lucas-hb1uq sure luke. Man to man if you want to make a point try not to use the words "stan" or "literally." Especially when they LiTeRaLlY don't apply... ✌
Isn’t Elon Musk the same guy who failed at designing a pickup truck that could fit in a garage? That guy?
dont be. you dont design a vehicle on the premise of a garage.
Na, he’s more known for his “scammerloop” and reinventing subways/trains….. just much much worse for efficiency
I'm heard he is good at POE2
#1: The perfect F-35 Mission..... Based on its Sensors and Data Link...... That's now happened Twice, at least.
One Air Force Squadron of F-35s is on Strike Mission and Destroys their assigned Targets but, uses all their Air to Ground Weapons to complete their Mission. However, while originally RTB (Return To Base) is then credited with Air to Air, Air to Ground, Surface to Surface, and Even Surface to Sea Targets Destroyed. Lastly, when the Squadron Finally Lands they Still have All their Air to Air Weapons and Canon Rounds. So.....Whatever an F-35 locks up, anything with the same Data Link and in range Will Shoot at that target: an Aircraft Weapons, Man Pad Weapons, SAM Site Weapons, or Ship's Weapons.
Tie for #1: An Easier way to tell that the F-35 Works...... Israel (They have F-35s) keeping their Mouth's Shut about the F35.....
Yep, pretty much, a Uber driver, taxi dispatcher and rugby football mission passing platform... very adaptable, although I doubt it really can do A10 stuff with 10% of its ammo and a quarter of its pylons, but a distributed warfare suit is meant to compensate for that.
Dr Justin Bronk is one of the few 'experts' I believe in.
The richest man in the world cant even get his cars to drive autonomously without crashing 😂😂
Hornet:"the end is inevitable, maverick, your kind is headed for extinction."
Maverick: " maybe so, sir, but not today"
You can't compare drones with manned because drones emit a signal & out the door goes your stealth & opportunity to surprise the enemy.
With ai no need of that anymore
@mryouben What AI are you talking about exactly? I am not aware of an AI that can perform adaptive & complex stealth missions without a human in the loop. The F35 is a flying human controlled supercomputer with vastly superior sensing, carrying & range capacities than anything that exists on the market. Human independent AI doesn't exist. The only AI bots china produces turn out to be fake & Elon can't even make a robot like Boston Dynamics did in 2005 that doesn't fall over or a car that doesn't crash or stops on the highway to perform a software update. That's just propaganda to steal tax payers money. AI is limited to specific tasks & the F35 already uses it. Finally AI doesn't exist because no program is intelligent. That's a programmers joke. In the 70tees we used to call them pattern matching relational databases but that was a mouthfull of boring words so we then called it AI. Nothing was invented, we just changed the name. You can find all this in the book AI by Michael Negnevitsky. We've been doing AI for over 50 years. Nothing changed, apart from the pleasant surprise that if you can predict words, you can fool the people you've become intelligent. The reason chatGPT sucks at math is because it works with probabilities. It doesn't know the value of the words. Add some redundant information & it will fuck up because it can't reason. 🥲
@@mryouben Nobody will ever allow AI to have independent control of weapons. Humans will always be on a loop. AI developers would probably want the humans to be in the loop so that they're never liable for war crimes.
@@ChucksSEADnDEADnot exactly true, there is already weapons that is “AI” and have full autonomy to choose which target to hit.
@@opairsoft8100 🤦♂️ those systems are run by human beings. Patriot system comes to mind after the friendly fire incident.
Musk doesn't know what he's talking about in this subject.
Everybody says that about Musk whatever context it is. But he stays successful.
@ukrgeo34-s9y he's a gpod project manager and buisnessman
@@ukrgeo34-s9ybecause he isn’t in charge of the critical mechanisms in most of “his” businesses. If he was, a lot of the businesses associated with him would have flopped long ago
Finland competition was Boeing F18EX, SAAB Grippen, Eurofighter Typhoon, and LM F35.
They chose F35A. So did Norway and Denmark.
Mr. Musk is way out of his circle of competence a lot. But when you earn twitter that doesn't matter anyway.
it is his track record giving him the right to speak about a lot.
@@ukrgeo34-s9y He knows so much about nothing, A truly intelligent person will take the time to learn things, he just shoots off his big mouth.
If he wants to “doge” the DoD he won’t cut “Space Force” or any other program he profits off!
To F-35 program is one huge ticket item that would free up a lot of money!
If it makes sense or not is not Elons concern as long as he gets to Mars!!
Aside from what USAF and USN think, the 10ish international partners in the JSF Programme will not allow further disruption from an oligarch with no elected position. FEM, FDJT
Did I miss when there was an explanation why drones wouldn't be superior or least an alternative? I mean it is pretty obvious to me, but the title suggests the video would be about the that.
Everything i learn about elon, I learn against my will.
They both will play a role- between drone and fighters. The 6th gen has been around for over 5yrs, it's not shown or advertised. If you see it, there's already something a head of it.
Musk ought to restrict his public opinions to his own personal areas of expertise.
Does Dr Bronk have his owne podcast?
It happens Elon is an expert at AI controlled vehicles, right? Those self-driving cars. That someday he will deliver. On time? What was the original budget for that?
It is not that I hear a defense analyst actually speaking truthfully about the limitations of autonomous drones and why human pilots are incredibly hard to replace. Where I think Musk is correct is that for most missions which are essentially taking out surface assets, a drone is far cheaper , smaller and likely more efficient at completing the mission with a significantly lowered risk to the command aircraft crew. In a dogfight, ai will be very limited as it cannot think creatively .
F-35 is an offensive weapon system, not a defensive one.
200 dollar drone can fly into a hangar and blow the f35 up. It’s ridiculous
Nope, it has no chance to enter the base or hangar, and probably little chance of travelling to the base unnoticed.
Aegis ashore, Phalanx, DEW and a host of other GBAD will not allow that.
Musk is right and wrong ,that F35 is complicated aircraft and expensive to maintain he is right but about forgetting about this type aircraft and start going with UVA (DRON) is wrong we absolutely need both
The host talks like John Malkovich?
If you think Musk meant by "drones" he meant quad copters his critics are dead wrong.Un-manned planes with pilots operating from a stand off position can pull more G`s can do riskier missions are cheaper because the training might not be as expensive. I think he thinks that AI with human back up over the next 10 years might surpass spending levels over concentrating on manned aircraft in the next 30 years which is the time F 35 is supposed to cover.I think politics is what has clouded people`s minds which is dangerous.
Clearly it has clouded people's mind since you don't seem to have watched the video
This "expert" works for a think-tank, which is sponsored by Lockheed-Martin. Keep that in mind when you listen to him on any topic.
Evidence?
@@lonpfrb They disclosed it on their website! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You are so.....
Whereas everyone who buys a Model 3 needs it to do exactly the same thing 🙄
The Model Y shares its platform. No trade-offs there at all. Range? Frontal area? Battery pack size?
Why does it even have a steering wheel? And why does the Robotaxi not have one?
Fully autonomous might be on the horizon but today’s world is optionally unmanned at a minimum.
And not just because of NHTSA or FAA regulations either.
did this guy miss the war in Ukraine? range issues
RF GBAD is wildly deficient and unable to cover their land mass so of course converted ultralight aircraft can travel 500km to destroy oil storage tanks.
They are replacing Tomahawk TLAM not F22 or F35, mainly because Ukraine must use what it can make not wait for American weapons and permission to use them.
Why? Why would you disgrace yourself paying attention to this person? Attention is all he looks after and he just got it from you...
Well I mean we ended up with 3 different variants, so he's not wrong is he...
He's wrong given the commonality across the variants and their supply chain. Three distinct types like F14, F15, F16 would have cost a load more.
USAF
USN
USMC
Do distinct work so have distinct requirements.
None that a $250 drone can do..
Elon isn't just some aviation fanboy. Maybe he wants in on the drone industry. He does make rockets and self sriving cars as well as having Pentagon contracts already. Perhaps he is trying to start a fighter drone program and not just expressing his personal opinion.
The F35 works well to ky knowledge in that it sure shoots things down but are autonomous units the future? Probably because they can fly faster with no regard for life support systems, radiation or G force effects.
People assume that drones have to be small or cheap. Why? Why can't they be large and expensive? In fact they have SUV sized drones already. The question is how it stacks up against not only today's jets but also the costs of today's pilots.
They'd of course require human oversight.
There is nothing practical about spending that much on a shit f35 program
So what if you just built a F35 with an AI instead of a pilot..? You’re comparing a small quad copter to an F35 I highly doubt that’s what Elon meant.. You can purpose build an aircraft with no cockpit
F-16 co-designer Pierre Sprey berated the F-35 "inherently a terrible plane, because it's built based on a dumb idea"-a multirole, multi-service aircraft. "You've compromised the aircraft horribly for three different missions, and then you've compromised it again for three different services." He said the aircraft was "astonishingly unmaneuverable" because of its ratio of wing surface to weight. "In dogfighting, it's hopeless.
Sprey had nothing to do with the design of the F16
Sprey never designed an aircraft in his entire life, and was clueless about air combat. The only thing he was good at was hyping himself up and befriending other clueless analysts.
@@bluemarlin8138 'Sprey' has actually become a pretty useful keyword imho. Simply inverting every single statement of a text containing it often yields surprisingly accurate analyses.
Referencing Pierre Sprey is laughable, good job showing that you know nothing.
@@eldarshamukhamedov4521 he helped set the requirements working close with the fighter mafia. Also the A10. If he had gotten his way 100% then the F16 would have a smaller front cross section making it harder to see plus having super cruise. The poor requirements is the primary reason the F35 is a big disaster
any computer can output a human given sufficient power. the times of dogfights are over anyway
That's why every country that can afford to are building fighter aircraft? Glad you are so much smarter than everyone else but musk, must be nice.
Musk is right. the amount of power needed for vertical takeoff is insane. It is impossible to cool the engine. Harrier replacement should have been separated years ago.
#1. The F35B is the True "Successor" to The 50+ Year old Harrier Jump Jet. It's not even close to the Heat Seeking (IR) Missile Magnet the Harrier Became.
#2. The F35B has Longer Range, Flys Higher, Beat the "Air to Air Combat" British Harrier in a Fly Off (Funny no one talks about that fly off), and Carries more Weapons Externally (when stealth no longer matters).
What does the word “insane” mean in that sentence? Kids nowadays seem to use the word “insane” when they mean to say….superlative, or highly commendable, or pleasantly remarkable. Are you using the word in its old fashioned sense of mental incapacity that requires 24 hour nursing care? Vertical take off aircraft have been flown by British, and American and other pilots, none of them insane, for many years. The engines have both heated up and cooled down. Argentine and Syrian enemies have been thoroughly defeated and Iranians are reeling. Russian enemies may describe this as “insane” if they please. It makes flying in NATO airspace no safer for them.
Vertical take off is never used except as a stunt. For actual missions where payload has to be carrier STOVL aircraft like the Harrier and the F-35B do a rolling take off. The Harrier actually required a water tank behind the pilot to cool the Pegasus engine during landing, which gave you about 60 seconds to land successfully or else you'd overheat the engine.
@@ChucksSEADnDEADCorrect. Vertical takeoff use is for dispersed F35B aircraft in a forrest probably doing A2G with no AIM120 just AIM9x for self defence and LGBs without drop tanks. So supporting NATO Advanced Forward Presence in the Baltics, not the core Naval CSG operations. Obviously Norway, Denmark and Finland would help with their dispersed F35As. They plan to disperse flight operations to public highway bases all over their countries. 2km straight, no streetlights, and tarmac areas at each end is a bit of a tell tale..
Corporate greed and acquisition malfeasance had a baby named F35. An incredible waste of money. F35 program fought for all the acquisition money and won because they owned the politicians, political appointees and generals looking forward to MIC jobs after retirement. Instead of hundreds of upgraded F15 aircraft, hundreds of defective F35s were bought before they were viable. And those block 3 aircraft will never be upgraded because it’s not doable. Even if it were possible, upgrading block 3 is not worth it because so few hours are left on those airframes … plus the upgrade does not fix everything.
Here’s the bad news … the low observable F35 is not invisible to many types of detection/tracking outside the x band. Once an F35 is detected, it is in big trouble because it can not win a close combat dogfight(can’t turn, poor aerodynamic drag at air combat velocities, high wing loading, mediocre flight envelope, gun not useful due to gun’s short range and impossible to out turn the adversary to get behind them to use the gun, no short range missiles inside the weapons bay). And it’s too slow; once detected, all gen 4 fighters can chase down a fleeing F35 and shoot it down.
As a strike aircraft, it also sucks. Small payload, vulnerable during close air support, does not even get close, instead uses small diameter bombs from a distance, and sucked the money away from the A10 program which does provide close air support that is literally close
Totally clueless post. Wrong on all counts.
Yes, a laughable post
What new capability's would upgraded f15's or A10's bring to the US? as already said a truly clueless comment.
@douginorlando6260. An Israeli F-35 shot down two cruise missiles w/ it's cannon.
The F-16 has higher wing loading than the F-4 Phantom.
If your brain is rattling inside your head, that's because modern aircraft have body lift and conventional wisdom regarding wing loading isn't valid anymore.
The F-35 is faster than 4th gen aircraft because they carry weapons and fuel tanks externally. 4th gen speeds are recorded in clean configuration to minimize drag. An aircraft without external tanks can't get within range of a F-35. An aircraft with external tanks and weapons can't chase a F-35 flying clean.