DID THE DEVS SCREW THE COMMUNITY WITH THIS UPDATE OR DID WE MISS SOMETHING? [Solo Leveling: Arise]
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DID THE DEVS PURPOSELY SCREW US OR DID WE MISS WHAT WAS THERE ALL ALONG?
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MY biggest complaint is they released the MOST popular NATIONAL LEVEL HUNTER and then a unit that was supposed to BUFF that same hunter (Thomas and Akari) and we all thought that the direction was light dominance. Can't blame anyone for thinking that so should have given Light element their time to shine (pun intended). comment below and let me know what you think of my take in the video!
Fire deserved some love tho!
It should've been Light's turn tbh. Don't get me wrong, you know I love me some Esil action (both in game and *elsewhere* 😏😏) but yeah, Light should've been dominating with Fire alongside it.
The problem is that meta shift is fast, that's one thing, the other there have been content for the fire department to investment in front of this most recent WOBL
i am not complaining because i knew netmarble will do that sooner or later
Yh dey should have given light time to shine Thomas didn't in wobl
Man i made thomas a10 and no good content for him was L from nm
They dont even know What They are doing anymore lmao
Yeah
Lmao Typal coming in hard. Love it
Blame those who want Thomas Andrei early so bad. Their reshuffle their plan because they gave what the playerbase wants and that's him.
@@Sentry1114 facts
@@zaccomptonk590 THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE HE OFFICIALLY SHOW HIS ABILITIES! His skills in-game just spoils everything about him!
You know what hurts? I got an A10 Go and A10 Andre and I was waiting for this WOBL... Now, I am being told that Hard Mode may require the fire team...
The powercreep was TOO FAST. We went from "no one is really using fire" to "fire is broken"... Who would have thought something like this would happen after the release of a NATIONAL HUNTER. We do not even get a WOBL to enjoy him in..
This new WOBL seems like exactly what they did with Vulcan's shield and Meilin. They are using this new WOBL to sell an element (fire). Even though they said they would not do this anymore.
They left the fire team in limbo for so long its not surprising no one really took notice of it, moving thomas up kinda messed up there plans as well
Did you watch the video? Like he explained, they werent in limbo. It was the players fault for thinking that.
@zap7737 stop it, esil was the final piece , prior to that the fire team was most definitely just there
agree with everything you said, when i invested in light so much and thomas was destroying everything and being on top, then i see how much fire is better and that my 1.25m light team might not do it in hard wobl, i was like wtf??!!!!!
Came back to the game during Thomas, built a light team and feel instantly like it got pulled from my feet. Not exactly making me want to stick around.
Still happy I maxed out Thomas. Super easy to use and still very good. Getting powercrept by a model in one patch is crazy tho. 🤣
Lmao me too. He is still incredible but FML did they ever mess up with this
Yh true. Powercreep exists and that’s totally fine, but the difference I’m seeing in terms of dmg is kinda ridiculous.
I think you make a great point that Esil was the final piece for the fire team puzzle. This is the first piece of fire content we have had while every other element has had something tailored for them. Also i think def pen was alot harder to stack before but now we can stack up to 100% a unit like Yoo is more able to reach her potential. Personally i'm a huge fan of the fire team and its super nice to see it finally shining. I also think in gacha games its super hard for lore power to be transferred to in game. Like for example SJW should be stronger than everyone but hes used as a support in the top Guild Boss strategies
the game still considered a new game a lot of things are going to change. “ looking from developers prospective”
Each company has long term (5yrs timeline) and short term plans.
National level hunter is not weak. fire as 3 hunters team is stronger. But it’s still dirty to do it this way to a NATIONAL LEVEL HUNTER. Its like making SJW lose to a team of 3 hunters
They released Thomas way too soon as I said before in the previous comments(few months ago ). since their story was heading around juju island they should have focus on the Japanese hunters instead of Thomas.
yes exactly, releasing thomas so early doesnt make any sense, he is not even a part of the story missions as of this moment.
I've been playing since day one, staying active and even spending money on the game. However, I recently canceled all my subscriptions due to several frustrations.
The biggest issue is the excessive grinding. Since this is also a mobile game, it shouldn’t feel like an MMO where farming is the main focus. Instead, the game should emphasize more challenging content over repetitive resource collection. The shift from daily to weekly tasks was a good step, but more improvements are needed.
Equipment management is another major pain point. Constantly swapping gear for each hunter is tedious. A better system would allow players to create and customize up to ten armor sets (e.g., attack-focused, defense-focused, etc.), which could be equipped by multiple hunters-just not in the same team. Similarly, an artifact mixer feature would be great, allowing players to merge unwanted substats from multiple pieces to refine a main artifact.
Endgame progression also feels stagnant. Pulling for new hunters becomes pointless unless they are maxed out. Implementing a pity system that increases SSR pull rates after a certain number of summons-or scaling rates based on the player’s progression-would make summoning feel more rewarding.
Overall, the game has improved, but there's still room for refinement. Less grinding, more meaningful challenges. What do you think?
Some very valid points. Equipment management is the biggest. I think one of the major issues with non repetitive content is that it's a mobile game and those are meant to be grindy and repetitive even though this one releases content as fast as it does. The original team has probably moved on to bigger projects now too and a smaller team is left behind to manage all the releases
I did the same. M more disappointed by how trash and clunky Akari is. If Esil can make Yoo from mediore to Godlike whereas Akari doesn't make much difference to Thomas, she is clunky. I use Min instead, much better rotation, faster QTE (buffed by Go), less field time taken by Min and universal support
Zero regrets regarding thomas. The only thing i regret is getting akari to a4. Fucking essences wasted
The reality is netmarble is a company and it needs to make money on its new characters. However so many people went in on A10 Thomas and A10 Go myself included and we were expecting to be able to at least try to clear hard mode with the light team but I really doubt its going to be doable. If Hard mode WoBL comes out and it is doable with the light team then everyone has been bitching for nothing. If its only clearable with the fire team while not as egregious as what they did with Meilin and Vulcan it is still essentially netmarble forcing you to have the newest characters to compete in the hardest content and I personally dont think I has to be this way.
This is the key take away. The gimmicks of def pen being most important may messes us up and was like just released for initial simulation beta?? Like come on
in Baran wobl atleast dark and wind team are almost equal but on new wobl the diff is too much
@@PayneBlade ^this. I am absurdly stronger compared to when I beat WOBL baran hard mode. with baran you could see clears with even off element teams. i saw so many light team runs beat one chili hard mode. i appreciate content creators like you calling this out because I haven't seen many videos. its important to have yall advocate for us.
A10 thomas, A10 Gun, A5 Akari. So much investment and all wasted. Especially Akari is the most useless support. Will not ever spend money on this game.
This is just my opinion. Why the game feels boring to most players. It is because I think the game has plateau, it reaches its peak. Just like KOF ALLSTAR Netmarble It's scrugged to keep the gamers entertained With CONTENT. Most of the gaming communities like whales Are blowing through the content and getting bored. In that Netmarble need to find a balance!!
It was never about the "meta change" but for the fact that all our efforts were for nothing. Just imagine the average player (f2p or light spender) building the perfect light team, using all their resources, hoping that they will finally be able to compete in the hard mode event, using 2 of the most loved hunters. All of that for netmarble to pull out a huge middle finger with this change.
I'm happy with the fact that Esil's release made SooHyun not only usable but actually OP.
I always liked her gameplay and she has some of the best skins. I always thought that it was a pity that I had no content where I could use SooHyun and Gina, but now that has been fixed. So I'm very satisfied with Esil's release and the impact it had on that Fire meta 🔥
kinda sad even if u want to summon for fire as a f2p most used up all the resources and ess we had for light and were completely broke unless the dev give free stuff
Thing that went wrong was akari was supposed to be a great healer / buffer for Light (for Thomas ) like isla/melin but she was not which really made light team incomplete 😓😓
yes, they screw up that
I do think the issue is they catered so hard to Thomas coming early. We got ggh, and imo that started the light meta rise. Then we got Thomas, almost a month or so after. Then Thomas stays for two whole updates as Akari comes. Light meta had its time, the ONLY problem now is people are mad they can’t use this meta for new content. Which 1000% is on nm. Yes, they warned us content would become super element based forcing new combos. However, they promised us “no content will force players to summon for specific units” so now that WOBL is catering fire “Easier” than light, not meaning it’s impossible for light, but now those players feel forced to summon for fire or completely re optimize. I’m in the middle, we need harder content, but I don’t think it should be in a way that could cripple the f2p or majority long term
Im too smart to have skipped Thomas for fire teams. Don't believe the content creator hype.
Facts
Light meta had no end game content for it though. People thought the new WoBL would be where the light team would shine and could be used as the main clearing team, yet they put restrictions in it that clearly favor fire so there is no point to having built up a light team
This is a mega rant and if you don’t wanna read it, in short: this is not a rant about netmarble, but about the players of SLA who are mad, especially the ones who blame the content creators for the metashift.
What pisses me off even more are the people who blame content creators who said that people should summon for Thomas (which anyone with an iq above room temperature would say the same). Those same people are mad that Thomas went from the strongest unit to the second strongest, as if that wasn’t good enough. Besides, Yoo Soo Hyun was on the custom draw banner for almost half a year, those people had plenty of time to get her to a high advancement, and it would be an understatement to say that Netmarble has been generous with free custom draw tickets for the past few months. People also really misjudged fireteam to begin with. The fireteam was already good to begin with with decent support, it only needed a little push, a better a breaker with some built in support and Esil was exactly that character. The only reason content creators said not to invest too much in the fireteam was because there was no gamemode for them. Nobody could explore how good they actually were or how defensepenetration actually worked.
I really don’t understand how people are mad for summoning on Thomas or even spending money and seeing him clear the new WOBL in a worse time than the fireteam. In other words, just clearing the gamemode wasn’t enough for those players. WOBL is supposed to be the MOST DIFFICULT gamemode so far. Not everyone is supposed to clear it. If they had kept the lightteam as busted as it was prior to Esil, it would take a few hours for 7000 people to clear hardmode WOBL, since a huge chunk of players have an A10 Thomas. They had to make another element usefull and I honestly think the way Netmarble buffed the fireteam with Esil without nerfing Thomas was genius. Besides, there was no damn reason to A10 Thomas on release. Nobody said you should. The guy was going to be added to custom draw anyway and no unit in the entire games history has been an exception. Any content creator who said to max out Thomas said that only because they were unsure of whether Netmarble was going to make an exception out of Thomas and not add him to custom draw. If anything is an issue, it is that Thomas was released too early, but that blame is on us, since people voted for him on the pole (I voted for my goat: Liu Zhigang)
But one thing that I am scared of is Kanae. I know for damn sure she is going to replace Yoo Soo Hyun. Kanae is canonically Amamiya’s teacher (or something like that), and we all know how busted Amamiya was one release. And it seems they have somewhat have the same gimmick of wearing the mask, so who knows.
Thank you for acknowledging and backing us content creators ❤️
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As a somewhat new player with low dupes on light team and not high investements, should i now try to concentrate on the fire team, or keep growing my dupes on light team?
@@ArabDweller go for fire my boy. There seems to be an upcoming fire unit that might shift the meta even more towards fire
@@suban2163 Got it
The light team has always been good. Minh, Cha, Go. Then they add Thomas to make them ever better because the community was asking for Thomas, EARLY. How long does light need the spotlight? Water got the spotlight. Wind got the spotlight. Dark got the spotlight. People have been saying that the fire team isn't good, and when they become a great team, people get angry. Thomas Andre is still the best hunter. No one hunter is better then him, in my opinion. You need at least two hunters to top him. Maybe the developers shouldn't had listen the community and released Thomas Andre early, but he we are. The meta is always shifting in gatcha games. You don't have to use the fire team or invest any material into the fire hunters. You can choose whatever hunter you want to play this game. It just a game. And Choi still can't crit.
And may be never crit (I have him A0)🙏
I just returned after 200 days then i got falsely banned, i was surprised at first but when i saw the other people who were in the same situation i was shocked even after 3 month they haven't addressed the issue..
@@Jameshatter7 they put a note out about it almost 2 months ago.
Liu is gonna be wind, Christopher Reed is gonna be fire because he's literally fire in the manhwa
The Devs didn't screw the community they screwed andre...... which technically screwed the community
In the end they should've just given this wobl to light and make the next one weak to fire
Imagine u a low spender or try hard f2p prepare A10 thomas THE NATIONAL LEVEL HUNTER for deimos HARD MODE WOBL and this happen... a friend of mine quit this game bc he saw someone clear normal deimos with trash fire team with esil a3 while he need to TRY HARD ON deimos normal mode with a10 thomas a10gunhe a6 akari..HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Unless there's some rumbling from the Korean playerbase, Unfortunately no change will be made.
Love you Payne! One of my favorite content creators regardless of topic.
I think the truth of the matter is that sales in Q4 2024 were extremely high. They hyped Thomas Andre for months. Then, in order to help Q1 2025, they made these changes and forced people to shift to fire.
It seems a lot of choices Netmarble makes are not about game balance, they’re about money. I get that they’re a business, but it really makes for a roller coaster ride as a player.
Pivoting this quickly will reduce willingness for players to spend. You’re not getting the bang for your buck before they’ve moved onto the next thing you need to spend on. Just wait until players are added to custom draw rather than using hundreds of rate up pulls.
Love you bro! And yes u are absolutely right. I feel like they are going to see this and try and make up for this somehow
I think akari is the mistake, akari should make the light team better or much higher height ,make it comparable on the damage output of the fire team.
Already lost my faith in NM when they completely ignored their whales for 4+ months. 0 catering for whales. No hard content, no qol (reroll which costs me 400k+ essence). Left the game already.
at this point in time my main issue is the stupid circle of death
Yeah the worst part is that a team with not even 2 S rank (both Gina and Yu are A rank) is better then a team with 3 S-rank of which one is The 3rd or 4th hunter on the planet and another is a ruler vessel
Also from a financial standpoint Netmarble is the 2nd largest shareholder of Hybe (The kpop company that owns big names like BTS, Seventeen, LE SSERAFIM, Newjeans, etc.) They definitely aren't going to go bankrupt or out of business anytime soon.
It was a dirty move by Netmarble, there's no reason to keep covering for them
Didn't cover for them. I said what they did was a dirty move with wobl
@@PayneBlade Yes, you said it, and you spent almost the entire video defending this, that we should simply accept it because things are this way, I'm sorry, but for me that's just covering up for them, but it's okay if you think differently.
they usually ease into the next element. for them to release fire/light meta, and buff ONLY fire for the meta is crazy. i think if they rolled out fire how they did the wind and dark meta, we would’ve been more prepared for this. they dropped light units that we were excited about and never got to really use them. “i think fire would’ve been good without the gimmicks” ALSO
I thought the co-op mode was going to be some new fun mechanics
But meh….. just another fkin daily quest
honestly, it's because they caved in under pressure and released Thomas Andre too soon
the whole gacha verse is built upon power creep and when you're forced to push a certain hero by the Korean community, you have to adjust him and all the next hunters
plus, somehow it feels they never thought what would happen if we got 100% def pen, so the next move will likely to be 0 def hp sponge bosses where def pen is irrelevant
based on all this, it's interesting to see what's next, each team probably should have some key gimmick, if they pushed fire this hard, will they push water just as hard next?
kinda have to pay extra attention to all those little things and guess what they can expand next
also, hunters are now basically a5 or bust which makes it very expensive to get 3 hunters this high, by the time people save up enough resources, their team becomes completely obsolete
Bang on!
And the only reason ppl were rushing them for Thomas was because ppl were mad that we were barely getting any cool male characters. Had they just released more cool male characters, they wouldn't have had to rush Andre to appease ppl
I completely agree with you that the light WOBL being skipped after the MOST POPULAR hunter as of rn was released is kinda an F you to the player base. Meta's shift a lot especially in element dominated games so the fact that fire is the meta rn isn't too surprising to me
netmarble watching videos? good one, Nagato, Seatin, and several other creators have been complaining about some of the crap netmarble pulled in 7ds for years and majority of the stuff they still haven't adressed, pretty sure that's part of the reason both Nagato and Seatin quit 7ds
i love how alot of people was talking about skipping esil because she's a fire unit, and now we get all this.
Plot twist: Choi and Dongsoo are secretly the absolute best hunters in the game...
😂 just missing their support pieces
The problem there is that the fire team jumps like from the earth to the sky in a Blink and now there is a Gap between the fire team and other teams
In other gacha games like ZZZ or WuWa they have a hyped unit every year that stays on the spotlight (like national level hunters) for that time being the best or one of the best DPS, i think thomas should have been good for a few more patches to tell that he IS THE hyped unit this year
I mean this kinda practice is expected from gachas: make up content that requires specific units, that people ignored, in order to make sales. Does that mean it's a good practice? No, but it works and until it doesn't, they're going to keep doing it.
And in terms of it being players' fault for not realizing the potential of units, I'd still put some of the blame on the devs for that. Besides the fact that there's "training" type mode, they don't clearly define all of the buffs and debuffs and the stats definitely have hidden calculations happening on the back end.
Esil did for Soo Hyun what Go did and does for Thomas and Cha; who could anticipate a breaker coming out where you can do break damage with just being good at dodging. One of things you said in an earlier video was "do not ignore anything, you may need it later." I just took that to mean "everyone but Dong Suck". My Woo was A8 when he was asstastic, and I was prepared when Mirei came out. My So Hyun was A8 when Esil came out; My only struggle is not having disposable income to pull for Esil currently, and I'm still beating normal WOBL with an A2 Esil. Currently on the last boss, but I am using light the rest of the way because I have no good Fire weapons. Once you get past the first boss; the rest of normal WOBL can be done with light ez pz.
Net marble and content creators baited all of the f2ps. It’s insane and no one saw it coming
how did we as content creators bait f2p?? LMAO. I am f2p myself
@ Nothing to laugh about imo. I mean isn't it apparent that content creators have an influence on the playerbase that are following them? Especially when it comes to limited resources + resource management? Of course, in the end everyone has to make the decision themself. That being said, every other video (tier lists, guides, showcases...) was about how strong light team is and how everyone should get Thomas Andre to at least A5, otherwise you miss the strongest unit in the game. All that to now hear people say "fire was the strongest all along!". Like common xD
@@PayneBlade he is not taking about you directly but when people hear content creators say, “this unit is a must have unit and will be dominating upcoming contents” and the people get those units by grinding or spending money, and the devs shift the meta to a different side that really makes them feels dirty, because they listened to professionals but still got screwed over, it’s not your fault though or any other specific content creator
Ya but that's not content creators baiting. That's the devs doing what they want to manipulate. Did you not agree that Thomas was the strongest unit
If you regret the resources you put into your light team and you blame content creators your just a beta *****. Everything content creators put out is there opinion lol.
I don't personally mind fire team being able dominate
Bigger issue is How will f2p players will be able to farm gems now.
After going all in on a single team.
There is nothing to farm gems now....
11:20 i think solution to the problem of swaping elements quickly is by giving some more resources to f2p and overall all players, or changing draw rates so most people who play f2p or those who spend not much can somewhat also be relivant, maybe not like a10 or smth like that but just, have characters who can be useable. But now if i invested a lot in light, i cannot save up to spend on fire( FOR NOW beacause who knows what will come after fire)
Im returning Player which hunters i should focus
I have 2* cha
I agree with you completely
They should give time to thomas and the light team as wind or dark team
If Thomas was nerf in the next Wobl not the current one nobody would have a problem with that but we invest so much money in the Light team is make me regret the investment 😥😥😥
how the FK is an A rank hunter better than the #1 National hunter THIS IS BEYOND ME.
I really feel that the glaring issue here is the scaling of defense penetration, not the units themselves. Kit for kit Thomas is stronger, but there's no valid competition against a +200-500% multiplier when you cap out defense penetration. As a whole, community should be pushing NetMarble to revisit and adjust their defense formulas so that we don't get these insane multipliers because the hunters will never be remotely balanced with def pen in its current state. Any hunter that reliably can hit maxed def pen will do massive damage, and anyone that can't will be comparatively left in the dust, regardless of kit. Try to bring that to light more if you genuinely want this shit fixed :p
All this whining and people acting like the light team didnt allow us to give ZERO fucks abot PoS 20s on almost every weekly boss, Simulation Mode, etc. Light didn't not have time to shine, it's doing fine in Wobl right now. Fire never had a use before, let it share the limelight.
And I don't even think it was the fact that defense pen was ignored before. It's just at this point where higher level and have more stats to dump into stuff like overcrit and defense pen. Whereas before we were more worried about other stat caps and had less artifact combos to play with.
Somewhat shocked at it, but, I gotta feeling there cooking something up for us... to do us (player) and andre like that tho, boi. 😅😢
classic waifu leveling arise
they back to their roots, nm love that "women empowerment" bs🤣
i had a fire team on the side for guild boss cause chois weapon. the hardest, without crit since he still cant crit, hit his ult landed was about 14 mil. i feel like if they made him crit he would be godly right now
I don't agree that Netmarble doesn't have to notify if they are going to change any game mechanics, that's why they have the developers' notes. It's not that the fire team didn't have content before. The thing is that defense penetration was useless and with this update it is what it should always be. Regarding the lighting team, it is not just about Thomas, they are ignoring a fundamental character who pushed that element much more: SHIMIZU HAKARI. Essil could have come out for her and HAKARI now. Strategy to squeeze your wallets a little more, that's fine, but if they are going to affect the mechanics of the game, they should at least warn you. It's how I see what is happening with this update and what can happen in the future with any other attribute. I apologize in advance for using a translator. Good video and good luck
Fire team with Gina, Emma and Yoo was still good prior to Esil! thanks for admitting it haha Light team in terms of general playability is still top. Fire team can just do more damage. Fire team lacking survivability and really relies on Yoo, Light team is still stacked even when Kanae comes.
T. Boy Andre getting swept by camera girl 😂. Only issue i have with fire is the characters were relesed in segments.... one love ✌️❤️🔥
Fire Team has been craving content forever. The meta is always shaped around what content is currently available. We had what? 2-3 months worth of Light & Wind being the face of the game? Adding the gimmick of Def Penetration is heavily suited towards fire. They should've released a Light WOBL of Beru (His story mode version is weak to Light if I remember well) THEN give Deimos Fire focus. But it is what it is, this is common within gachas. We've long asked for Fire to have time to shine especially when Alicia came and replaced Choi's entire job; Well now we HAVE that time for Fire to shine. Go with the flow, work on your Units, do the content to the best of your abilities, and keep prepping for the next big thing. Ima rot on that hill.
Thank you for not putting fire down I am planning to max fire
An A Rank Hunter beating a National Rank Hunter
You see this is the exact reason I always invest in everything!
A-5 minimum for everyone
I would much rather have a useless A-10 then be missing character that no one expected to be good.
It happened with Baran too. Dark was superior over wind in terms of damage and time to clear but everyone was able to clear hard mode with wind team too. The biggest Fup NM can do rn is making hard mode such that it can only be cleared by fire team. Then gg to SLA.
I also think that the draw rates have decreased instead of increase, I've done more than 300 draws and still haven't gotten a single copy of the new fire fan weapon. In past draws I could always get at least A0 or A1 with around 150/200 draws. Now I'm always getting other weapons or hunters than the ones on the rate up draw list. What's your opinion about this?
Keep up the good work man, you doing great!
Ya that's just rng bro sadly. I've had some bad luck too
@PayneBlade as a f2p I think this will make me fall behind alot when it comes to wobl since I only have fire bow A2 and Orb of Avarice A10. Will have to wait until I can get some free tickets again sadly and try getting it in the meantime
do you think liu zhigang should have been released before Thomas andre, if net marble had the plan of boosting fire in the future
Hey guys! I quit SLA after 3-4 weeks after launch because daily grind routine was taking too long for me on mobile with all the crashes and such.
Is the daily grind still taking almost an hour or has they significantly reduced it?
I'll appreciate a detail answer.
It's not as long as many of the long things are weekly now
@@PayneBlade Thanks for answering.
I'm hoping to enjoy the game again as a fan of SL. I'll reinstall it and give it a chance.
Thing is these "players" are too lazy that they wanted to have a single meta (thomas) to complete ALL content so that they dont need to think or build other characters. I mean I did get thomas to a5 but do I use him more than soo hyun now? No! Do i use him in every content? No! I build "metas" for each element so that I can cater to all content. This is how a real, veteran rpg player plays. The only shitty move the devs did (more shitty than the "fix" with simulation gates) is that pos lvl 2 requirement with hard baran. They increased his hp and level then removed the part where you can burst him and his hp wont get stuck in-between phases. Very dick move.
Any news on console release date, Ik they said early 2025 correct?
Biggest shock to me was seeing your chin again after 6 months 😅🤣
Lmao F off. U don't like the beard??
@PayneBlade the beard sir, is legendary!!!! But after watching you everyday and seeing it grow out, forgot that your face used to be nude hahaha
Ok but now the question i want to know... is the light team completed? Or will it receive an esil like unit. Either way they need to make the dmg competition scale together that way with proper investment both.. no all elements can shine.
I don't know how is it a good idea to make Thomas obsolete in team mode, which he was built for. Like wtf? Also the power difference is just too big in WOBL, I wouldn't mind fire being stronger but I think they went a little too far with it.
Next wind buff, Dongsoo the best hunter
Dongpoo becomes dongtruth
My question is this: as a f2p is it worth building a fire team just to clear a hard mode WOBL with subpar rewards? (only the stuff that breaks cores are good) I think i will just skip this "meta", save some essence and drop it all on the next big thing that will probably be water where maybe i'll be able to get the newest armour
People are forgetting they dropped thomas as a reaction there is a good chance they never planned for light dominance, and a lot of youtubers made the mistake of pushing that light team was gonna be the meta.
Bro how you gonna blame content creators for SHOWING u the meta at the time for over a month and say we made a mistake. U guys expect us to be mind readers lol. We show u guys proof with stats and data. U would be brain dead to not think that light has dominated for months
My biggest complaint is that somehow this last update screwed up mobile players camera. It is super low now, and does not target the way it should anymore. Completely screwing up my timing on fights
People just love to cry, don't they? Can't help but feel like this is their first gacha game.
Thomas already got a buff with his Ult bug being left unresolved, and just like Payne said, Yoo soohyun was already a very capable hunter, people on my server were doing some crazy numbers in PoD with her but with the release of Esil she just got better and that's just what a support unit is supposed to do. Thomas was absolutely dominating every single mode in the game until Esil dropped, and if that were to keep continuing for a long time, it would be bad for the game's health.
NAH AKARI IS JUST BAD AS A SUPPORT FOR THE LIGHT TEAM
Brooo, fire is there all along ... Gina was a good unit since her launch, and everyone would pull for Thomas!
Dunno what people is complaining, its a Gacha.. and Thomas was the right choice, for obvious reasons... and the game moves on!
Only thing i think Netmarble Must Do is to launch the National or the Strongest Ones First!
And people forget but Light was dominating for a very long time , Thomas banner was up for more than 2 Months tho!
But he came as last, that was Netmarble mistake!
It sucks that light didn't get the chance to shine as much as they deserved but IMO it was sad having fire units being "Useless" or insanely niche I have faith they'll balance things out in future updates I just hope we don't get a "useless" element again, even though we have the double element content.
Why dun you test water team now and make the strongest water team and clear current content? Then you will be the 1 percent.
It baffles me how no one actually wants to talk about the real problem of this game which is atrocious power demands and stupid nerfs while being on red. Definitely false advertisement from NM is one of concerns, but the biggest problem rn is that you need to at minimum A5-A6+ a unit to actually be viable in any shape of form. Imagine if we didn't A5+ Andre and many people even did A3+ Akari and A5+ Gunhee, just to find they are not just cutting it now. Imagine if we didn't had to do that, cause it wasn't a choice but rather a necessity. We could have saved pulls that could have helped us transition onto the next meta. Rn it would take 3-5 months to A5 a team of soecific element by that time new meta has already came and your A5 is now trash.
You need to talk about this Payne.
this is going to be a long post but here it goes.
Currently Fire team with Esil, Gina and Yoo Soohyun (possibly soon with Kanae) is performing amazingly well in all content. So much so that there are content creators showcasing their dominance in WoBL, amazing scores on GB, or clearing all content with new accounts with just those 3 units.
Well... in my opinion this is really bad for the game's longevity.
Unless every unit coming out from now on can completely ignore enemy def (thus completely ignore a game mechanic) there is no reason to pull for anything besides fire and more importantly there is no challenge in the game anymore...
Worse still soohyun has a skill that always deals fire damage with the enemy being considered weak to it. Not even having resistance to fire will be enough. So that counters the issue of just putting fire resistance on enemies
Essentially this means that right now, not only the light team but every single hunter not named esil gina or soohyun are obsolete. If WoBL HM comes out at this rate it might get cleared way way faster than Baran was.
So why is this an issue you might consider ? Someone might enjoy these characters, their playstyle and the fire team's deserved dominance.
My fear that unless devs start nerfing things instead of just making newer and stronger things the game will die sooner are inherent to 3 things:
Firstly, the fact that in order for a team to be viable you need all of them to A5 at a minimum with A5 weapons.
This requires alot of resources especially for f2p or low spenders. Some people will not be able to keep up with the meta and this feeling of missing out in the game will turn off alot of people from the game.
Next we have the nature of gachas where as you should everyone be aware,everything ends up being replaced in a couple months. First we had Water being the meta then a couple months later Wind showed up being the only element you needed to clear everything up to Baran and then Light showed up with Go and Thomas clearing everything. It should be noted that the rate of changing metas is speeding up as well. While this is a way to keep things fresh for the game the third issue rises up from this.
With the devs commiting to not nerfing anything (meaning everything will only get more and more powercrept, with more and more broken units coming out) and the game itself turning more and more easy for people and there are really no challenge left in the game. There is nothing to push you to keep improving. While competing for high scores in GB and PoD and BoT are a thing that is not everyone's cup of tea, it might get repetitive fast for them. When new story chapters or game modes come out they get cleared within the day and then you just farm the same content again and again.
All of these essentially turns the game into:
An update where the new unit comes out and makes everything before it suboptimal or worse, obsolete. Everyone spends all their resources on that and then breezes through the new content in the game in 1 week (more often even less). Then we have an extended lull period until the next update where everything gets repeated. I feel like with the state of the fire team right now WoBL hard Deimos will be cleared much much faster than Baran.
While the devs did say they will try to make the game challenging and exciting again like it was at the start, this is a very difficult thing to achieve while committing to not nerfing anything. This is because instead of nerfing the previous meta they need to make the next one even stronger. While this can be somewhat avoided by designing content where the previous meta wont be effective ( for example fire units are good vs enemies with low HP and high Defense, so make next content have enemies with high HP and low Defense ) this has a limit on how many times it can work.
Maybe they will succeed with replacing the fire meta with enemies with lower Def and more max HP. But then how do you make the next meta stronger ? If the new units released perform as well as fire does now vs high HP low def enemies then where do you go from there ?
There is a finite limit to how many times game devs can make new mechanics that new units in the game can counter with no older units being useful to keep the meta going. And making the units so strong each time trivializes the game's difficulty.
Thus i believe without nerfing characters the game will become a mess where no amount of new content will bring satisfaction to the players and more and more people will stop playing since they wont feel challenged or rewarded for their efforts until the game dies from lack of interest.
WAITING FOR CHO UPDATE CRIT !!!
If choi crits, Other elements are cooked😭
They should make cha into a def pen buffer
I think this game would do well on consoles cause of the game play style. Pc or tv screens is what it feel like it is made for not a phone or a tablet.
I’m not sure if Yoo and Gina or def pen multipliers were buffed. But if we want to find out whether we made a mistake and if Esil is the problem, it’s easy. Just test Yoo and Gina without Esil on Guild Boss or PoD. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen players in my server run Gina and Yoo on PoD before Esil was released, and my Light team crushed their scores (maybe I had better gears and account).
As a somewhat new player with low dupes on light team and not high investements, should i now try to concentrate on the fire team, or keep growing my dupes on light team?
Fire team man esil yoo and gina
How cool would it be if co op was how we imagined to actually be able to play with friends. Team can choose breaker, dps, and support or all dps lol
This was the most disappointing to me…
I've been critical bout the game from the start cus I want it to improve and get better. At the end of the day tho, I'll play this game till the end as long the devs give at least decent monthly updates or until a better Solo game is released
I really don’t understand why people are so upset, the current wobl’s best team is using a unit that has been out for 6 months to be most effective. You don’t need esil. They haven’t gate kept it behind a new unit that needs a-10 etc. furthermore if u have the light team well specced and you are a veteran player you can clear it with light. Players that are new to the game (3 months or less) shouldn’t be complaining about not being able to do the hardest content in the game. You haven’t put the time in yet
Yep. I have the same mindset.
I dont understand the problem at all.
3 old characters break the new WOBL. You add the new Esil and it becomes easy.
The Light team still works.
And we talking about the new content for end-game players that are supposed… to be end-game.
And it’s a flippin gacha. People expect to aim for 1 hunter for a year or what?!
Says whose name is "solowhale" 😂
At this point I don’t even know what I am doing. Im lvl 95 and my power level is low AF. I cant get through most of the content unless I plan to whale out! The scale is so horrible. I should not have to do homework to be strong.
Thomas just needs some absurd tier 100 gear that scales insanely with defense
For Yoo on the other hand Esil 100% helped a lot with cores to get her over that 100% Defense pen mark
Which i guess we never tested before what that does in dmg
this game is all about money, they will release hype hunters then many ppl started to invest because of the new contents then new hunters beat the hype hunter before then repeat.. remember in early access choi is the best hunter(for a month) then release smb because of atk/hp scaling dmg then alicia, cha and so on.. ez milking ppl.. instead of balancing the og ssr hunter they continue to release new hunters and rerun.. aside from that in early access the shop is limited to make player become stronger and its a balance but now too many shop items even if you create acct now then spend(in a week) you can beat the strongest f2p in your server.
I destroy the whales from my server and im F2P so... idk 😅😅
@Gsnkryu good to hear.. but not sure if the whales ur talking about is legit.. whales are like payne, zaff, etc.. the only legit F2P i know is Joseph from PH that can level to whales in terms of Total Power contents.
@@SalesComp So, you don't know anything. Outside the English-speaking community, there are many F2P players who are on the same level as whales, especially in the Spanish-speaking community, where I'm from. So, never say never.
What are you talking about? I have a full f2p account that I make 99% of my content lmao.... I've completed everything with my f2p as well
@@PayneBlade yeah.. i know you have F2P acct for your content and i love it, maybe there a misunderstanding on what is the definition of F2P and whales(P2W) on Gsnkryu's replied maybe those are not legit whales. and when I mention F2P from PH. I saw a lot of discussion in PH group that F2P player can compete to other whales in terms of total power content and some whales bashed him(because they cant defeat hard baran 7k killed event before but he can) that he used cheat. thats what i meant in my comment.
While I understand that light could have a WOBL to shine since there is so much hype around Thomas, the truth is that for a long time Light has been useful and when Thomas came out he had time to shine in many places and people was able to progress and enjoy the game in ways it wouldn't be possible without him. Now where they failed with Light was with Akari, if she was actually what a dedicated support should be which is to be much better than a random support for that specific unit we probably wouldn't be having this conversation and Thomas would keep up with Fire. Now lets not kid ourselves, a f2p that invested in Light did the right thing, that was the best choice at the moment and regardless considering the current requirements they would have to wait until being able to clear Hard WOBL, when they nerf it I'm sure Light team will handle it just fine. On the other side of the barricade, if a p2w player that has a cracked account doesn't clear WOBL with Light and does so with ease when it comes to Fire than we have a problem because having light as a weakness would be simply pointless. Right now we're speculating left and right until we really test it and see what really changes from Normal to Hard. In the end it all comes down to expectations and sometimes as a community we set ourselves for failure no matter what
My opinion as a F2P player since March of 2024 and playing the game the correct way for the past 3-4 months i dont regret having her. By pure luck i have her at A5 and thats months ago. Now when i want to finish my Fire team NRG decided to not be on my side and thats why I have A10 Cha and A10 Gunhee.. A straight uno reverse card.
yeah you right no one wanted fire team not to shine. we wanted fire team ti be decent. but this much treatment is not ok
You said it. I hope people will understand your point.
Why just why did they let our hardwork and hardkept resources with thomas andre go to waste… 😭😭😭 should have just pushed thomas to A5 not A10 so we can spend a bit more on this fire team 😢
Do u think we should change gems 2 defense penetration?