@@jefftee0421 Goku could have rivaled Cell if he used the SSJ1 combined with the Kaio-ken technique like he did with Pikon. He didn't because he hedged his bets on Gohan but theoretically, Goku could have defeated Cell with the Super Saiyan 1 combined with Kaio-ken technique combined.
@@manipulatortrash Did you not see where I said that Goku went SSJ + Kaioken against Pikon? I swear if I have to repeat myself one more time in a response, I'm going to throw my monitor out the window! The creator of this anime show keeps forgetting facets about the story and his characters which end up creating an inconsistency which people argue on about. The Super Saiyan can be used with the Kaioken when you have mastered the Kaioken so that the body can handle it. SSB was used with it but that doesn't mean he used it because of a "controlled state". I'm sick of this!
@@luminatrixfanfiction this isn't a debate super Saiyan kaioken was filler it wasn't made by the author it didn't become official until he made Goku use it in dbs Goku couldn't have used ssj kaioken it didn't actually exist at this time and like the guy above said in super he was only able to do it because of ki control that he did not have yet in z it wouldn't have worked even if the combination was already official
The way he gets up with lightning around his aura. The cold, dead, lifeless look in his eyes while he smiles, but at the same time, he has never looked more alive. The sheer determination to keep going, even if it ends him. THIS IS THE GOHAN WE WANTED, THIS IS THE GOHAN WE DESERVE!!!
You mean the one dimensional projection fantasy Gohan? I’ll stick to something like Future or Adult Gohan because they are fundamentally more interesting.
It ain't what he wanted tho. Dude wasn't a fighter. Ever. He's trained willingly (Not being dragged along basically) like 1 time in the OG show and that was for the Tournament before Buu. After that It took till the Tournament of power for him to think about training again.
@@indepth9930 Agreed. Gohan may not have become the hero people wanted or expected him to be, but the result is a much more interesting and deep character than most of the cast. Whereas most Dragon Ball characters are very one-note, Gohan actually has layers to his personality in how he hates fighting, but is willing to step up when needed despite that. Which I guess is also one-dimensional in a way, but it's made a lot more interesting because of his contrast to everybody around him.
I love Gohan, you can't deny his fatal flaw. When he knows he has the upper hand his arrogance is worse than vegeta. Proof of this is when he fought cell and when he fought buu as ultimate Gohan. His arrogance becomes his downfall.
what about goku & vegeta? why didn't goku finishes freeza before he reached 100% power? because goku is curious to see freeza's max power so he risked that chance of winning and then trunks has to finish goku's job. why didn't goku ss3 finishes fat buu? because goku said to vegeta he wanted for young generations (trunks & goten) to be independently. why didn't vegeta finishes cell 2nd form? because he's pride would be wounded so he gave cell to be perfect. the point is: if everytime a hero finishes every bad guy with ease, the story wouldn't be dramatic.
Well Future Trunks is not that arrogant. He killed Frieza, Frieza's father, his men, 17, 18, and Cell the second he had the power to do so. He did not care about seeing any of them get stronger. I mean even when Vegeta tried to help Cell get stronger Trunks attacked him.
Rayblade45 that's somewhat true but again he new what would happen if he didn't kill them so it wasn't that he isn't agrogant it's that he wasn't really allowed to be so. it also has been a while since I watched future trunks back story but if I recall he did seem pretty arrogant because of gohan
1:00 that's a proud arrogant saiyan right there, he seemed a lot like vegeta in that moment, imagine a fusion between vegeta and gohan, he'll toy with the enemy so much, he's going to make him wear a dress
remind the Vegeta in the first broly movie? This "Oh we get fucked, we cant win :'(" Vegeta? This and the Pussy-Gohan-Fusion would wear a dress "him"self.
So.... Let me get this straight. Gohan just ascended 2 forms in 1 year? I mean he started becoming a SSJ in the hyperbolic time chamber and showed SSJ2 power to his dad as well!!
Matthew Morris Trying to insult me when I haven't offended you just shows your primate level intellect. It is idiots like you that make being on youtube so fun. Aww who am I to judge? Maybe your father was a primate after all.
I love that they show us the flash back after the we the viewer see Gohan "achieve" the form. It brings satisfaction to understanding the mystery of Goku's confidence before + during the tournament. It's a good pacing of story in other words
Sadly the scene was not in the manga, but it’s excellent, it actually explains why Goku made the decison, he still didn’t tell Gohan about it but it’s a hell of an improvement.
@@indepth9930 I disagree. In the manga version it is thought that Goku sensed Gohan's potential before actually seeing it happen, which makes his choice to send his son against Cell an ever bigger leap of faith, while being absolutely senseless for the rest of the team. Exposing this scene, implying it did happen, just dampens the depth of Goku's opinions about Gohan.
@@indepth9930 Furthermore, there is absolutely no misplaced pride in Goku to even think about hiding his son's progress to his friends, let alone sharing his strategy to save the world once more to them. I think he would actually be proud to tell everyone Gohan overpowered him even before starting the Cell games. Goku is not Vegeta.
A flashback is always a lazy resource in storytelling. But if i remember correctly this was like a reminding of something already shown in a previous chapter, so its something like "remember what happened this day? There my behave" from goku to the audience. But if this wasnt shown that wouldnt be like a deus ex machina, we have seen gohans anger and growth season to season, and this, even if it was blasting, was a relief not a surprise
There's another part of this conversation. It's when Goku breaks it down to the others after Gohan defeats Cell. He tells them that when they were training in the hyperbolic time chamber there was a point where Goku was beating the crap out of Gohan. But then Gohan tells him, "Come on, Dad. Let's keep going". Goku - "At that point, I knew that if anyone was going to beat Cell it would be Gohan."
Mepp Inkatsu When this was new they were wanting to kill off Goku and make Gohan the main character, but people didn't like that so they kept Goku as the main character.
buu saga in a nutshell super powerfull dude gets even stronger as our heros do shit to stop him once they do have a chance they fuck it up by making him into kid buu, then manage to kill him because cartoon logic then the dragon balls ??? profit!
I love the attention to detail the animators put in. Briefly you can see gohan go from base, to super saiyan 2, then he briefly goes back to base super saiyan then back to normal. Just the small de-transformation detail is nice to see
Goku used to be so proud of Gohan. You can tell he gave up on training children during the Buu saga when Gotenks was useless and Gohan didn't keep up with training
god fucking damn it it's a damn shame that gohan didn't continue to train after the cell saga he could have reached the power level of ssj 3 before the buu saga...:/
Chizu Egwuatu Gohan was originally supposed to be the main person after Goku died during the fight with Raditz. But fans liked him more than Gohan, so Akira kept him in. People wanted Goku, not Gohan, to be the main person. So Gohan was made stronger than Goku, but really cocky, and not knowing the full extent of his power. And THEN Chi Chi made him go to school. If Gohan had kept training, he deffo would've been stronger than Goku.
For anyone that is confused. Gohan (at his base level) was stronger then Goku when they came out of the chamber. Then he unleashed his true power and he was even stronger. Add the 100 times multipler on top of that as a SSJ 2. And None of the Z warriors came close. Matter of fact. It took Goku and Vegeta years to catch up.
Yea but Gohan himself didn’t believe he was stronger than his father Which is why when Goku showed off his power both to Korin and against cell; everyone but Gohan was in shock and awe Gohan thought his father was holding back because he just kept assuming his(Gohan) own power was lower than his fathers when it was the opposite Gohan was holding back and Goku was at full power
It is not that his base is stronger normally. When Gohan gets a rage boost it is an additional multiplier on top of his transformation. That is why Gohan had more than a 2 times multiplier on top of his mastered ssj.
You can tell it’s Kai, when the scenes are allowed to breathe with only ambient noise like the wind. Original dub just had nonstop music for 25 minutes.
Pretty sure Kai just used the og soundtrack for the Japanese release. It is a personal downgrade for me as well. Bruce was my childhood and I think it sounds better. @@knucksicus
Goku was like always on sidelines most of the time from the start of dbz until Cell saga. The story focused on Gohan's development. Goku joined to the late fights only. Then Buu saga changed everything (finally). I don't like that Gohan get nerfed in Buu saga tough.
The problem with Gohan was that he powers up with his emotional outbursts, but got himself controlled by those outbursts instead of properly controlling it, which made him indulgent and always letting his guard down due to that indulgence in power.
When Goku walks away and heard "Wait dad...." and sees Gohan standing up struggling to catch a second wind...seeing Goku's look of shock and horror at his own son. It made this my favorite flashback in the series.
@@leultrainstinct406its not about power level.... its about impact on the audience. The kid Gohan going ssj2 was impactful. The rage, the power that surpassed Goku, potential he showed, the surprise factor. It is best moment of Gohan. Beast was predictable... just a copy of classic ssj2 moment
They'd already had the tough love chat by that point. Gohan didn't want Goku to go easy on him and that includes battle recovery and resilience. Gotta get himself up and over to the rest area
Insane. He wasn’t even fully transformed yet and his power was higher than Goku’s. The moment he full fully transformed for like 2 seconds, Goku probably sensed that Gohan was way ahead of him. That’s why he had so much faith.
Goku may be dumb, but once he goes ss2, he does start to become smarter. The super saiyan transformations pass 1, make the user more violent and instinct prone. Peoples insticts can make even the dumbest person, a genius. With ss3, Goku becomes capable of much greater things, not only with his power, but with how he thinks. Like when he fought buu as ss3 for the first time. When buu recovered from his first assault, he instantly knew, buu was not harmed. "He's completely unscathed, not even a scratch on him." Was his direct line. He also knew he could beat him at that time, but at the same time couldn't. He didn't have enough time, he used the fight to test buu. A thing Piccolo does very often. It shows when goten and trunks ask to be ss3, and goku denies them. (However he did show them, which seemed like a mistake because he inadvertently taught them at the same time, though im sure he knew they couldn't handle it when not fused, and im sure he knew they were going to attempt it when fused). I believe why he showed them, was to give Gotenks an even greater power to use against Buu, though it backfired. Goku is a genius who screws up imo lol.
He hasn't had any real education in his life. And he's pretty care free. I wouldn't call him "dumb" He's capable of conversation. Although he wouldn't be able to talk history or mathematics with you.
So, it's just accidental reflex... Vegeta hit Trunks in the gravity chamber when he told him to land a punch on him. The same thing happens here @ 1:24 when Gohan buries his fist in Goku's gut & he kicks him back only reflexively at the moment of pain...
That smirk and power level was dangerous... If he had actually launched any kind of attack in his SSJ2 form Goku wouldn't have made it of that Camber... {Goku knew it as well you can see him sweating profusely}
Honestly, Toriyama shouldn't have wasted Gohan's potential, we can only imagine what could have happened if Gohan became the MC after the Cell, no even after then Frieza Saga. It's fine that Goku stayed, because the fans wanted it that way. But having his legacy become the MC would have been just way too 🔥. Gohan could have become the coldest MC.
The only downside to KAI is the lack of BRUCE FALCONER music. The dub is much better (apart from gohans voice) and KAI follows the manga more correctly. I still prefer the original FUNI dub but KAI would of been 10/10 to me if they had bruces music.
He goes SSJ2 for 1 second before passing out. Goku: “That’s enough, let’s go fight cell, we are leaving early”. Had they stayed in the time chamber to finish the whole day, they could’ve perfect Gohan’s SSJ2 so he can actually use it in practice at will, Cell would’ve died much sooner.
When I watched Gohan transform into Gohan Beast in theaters this scene was all I was thinking about. Gohan had always had the potential to be the strongest.
Imagine what would happen to Goku inside the hyperbolic time chamber if Gohan is able to hold the tranformation for a bit longer and be able to attack..🤔
I love the way they animated this to show all three of his forms in a split second, Gohan broke through the barrier but then instantly reverted form to SSJ1 right before he passes out, showing the audience a real physical difference in the forms! This first glimpse of SSJ2 is just so perfectly done.
You guys dissing this version of DBZ have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, it may not be like the original version, but the original version doesn't follow the manga. That's the whole entire purpose of DBZ Kai, to tell you the manga version. Therefore, it has more truth to it while the 1st one doesn't but has more featured episodes & side stories, Sailor Moon also doesn't completely follow the manga & there's a brand new series coming in July that will follow the manga, but of course, some of you may not know of mangas/comics, just the anime versions.
The original had a ton of filler yes but it followed the manga quite well from what ive seen. Honestly i only have 2 problems with kai the music is lame i loved bruce's ost and gohan's voice... ESPECIALLY GOHAN's VOICE MY GAWD TOTAL SHIT
Okay! Goku! Here's a crazy idea! Why didn't you wait the FULL year to help Gohan train and maybe, possibly, help him train to MASTER this new transformation? Let him get a better handle on it so that he wouldn't lose control in his fight with Cell? And whats more be able to call upon it right away!
Because Goku thought that Gohan had achieved the potential to defeat Cell and that training was no longer necessary and that it would also just exhaust himself and Gohan to continue. His Saiyan mentality was to throw Gohan into the fight with Cell and it would just come out naturally because Gohan is a Saiyan. But Gohan being half-human means he doesn't necessary like to fight just for pleasure like himself and Vegeta and all pure Saiyans. This was pointed out to Goku by Piccolo after the fight began and Goku wondered why Gohan was struggling. Goku's was thinking with his Saiyan mentality.
Honestly, as a dbz fan my brother and I were excited when we first heard about Kai and how they were going to remaster the awesome moments in our childhood, potentially making it a step up from the original. Then we watched Kai and we were just disappointed, like we just watched GT disappointed. Gohan's new voice still annoys the hell out of me to the point I just switch the voices in Japanese in the newer games. They music was bad and it didn't have that bad ass feeling the funimation one had. I gave it a shot and I didn't like it but to each their own.
I love how this tiny little blip of Gohan showing his potential was enough for Goku to bet the earth on.
Not like he had another choice anyway. Nobody else came close to rivaling Cell.
@@jefftee0421 *villians stronger than super sayian 2 gohan want to know your location* (jk)
@@jefftee0421 Goku could have rivaled Cell if he used the SSJ1 combined with the Kaio-ken technique like he did with Pikon. He didn't because he hedged his bets on Gohan but theoretically, Goku could have defeated Cell with the Super Saiyan 1 combined with Kaio-ken technique combined.
@@manipulatortrash Did you not see where I said that Goku went SSJ + Kaioken against Pikon? I swear if I have to repeat myself one more time in a response, I'm going to throw my monitor out the window!
The creator of this anime show keeps forgetting facets about the story and his characters which end up creating an inconsistency which people argue on about.
The Super Saiyan can be used with the Kaioken when you have mastered the Kaioken so that the body can handle it. SSB was used with it but that doesn't mean he used it because of a "controlled state".
I'm sick of this!
@@luminatrixfanfiction this isn't a debate super Saiyan kaioken was filler it wasn't made by the author it didn't become official until he made Goku use it in dbs Goku couldn't have used ssj kaioken it didn't actually exist at this time and like the guy above said in super he was only able to do it because of ki control that he did not have yet in z it wouldn't have worked even if the combination was already official
"Control your strength not the other way around"
*1 second later*
"Oh no I didn't mean to hit him so hard"
He is only mortal.
@X4TERUMI goku is not a god...yet.
And he is stupid...we all know this.
He is bound to make mistakes.
@X4TERUMI not as much as mortals
@X4TERUMI I'm pretty sure "He is only mortal" is a phrase used to joke about people not being perfect, it's not meant to be this deep.
@X4TERUMI yeah he was just using a phrase, it wasent meant to be a reference to the fact the goku isnt a god.
The way he gets up with lightning around his aura. The cold, dead, lifeless look in his eyes while he smiles, but at the same time, he has never looked more alive. The sheer determination to keep going, even if it ends him. THIS IS THE GOHAN WE WANTED, THIS IS THE GOHAN WE DESERVE!!!
even Though my favorite character is vegeta I loved seen Gohan like this,his saiyajin blood was boiling
You mean the one dimensional projection fantasy Gohan? I’ll stick to something like Future or Adult Gohan because they are fundamentally more interesting.
Stfu bro it's just an anime
It ain't what he wanted tho. Dude wasn't a fighter. Ever. He's trained willingly (Not being dragged along basically) like 1 time in the OG show and that was for the Tournament before Buu. After that It took till the Tournament of power for him to think about training again.
@@indepth9930 Agreed. Gohan may not have become the hero people wanted or expected him to be, but the result is a much more interesting and deep character than most of the cast. Whereas most Dragon Ball characters are very one-note, Gohan actually has layers to his personality in how he hates fighting, but is willing to step up when needed despite that. Which I guess is also one-dimensional in a way, but it's made a lot more interesting because of his contrast to everybody around him.
I love Gohan, you can't deny his fatal flaw. When he knows he has the upper hand his arrogance is worse than vegeta. Proof of this is when he fought cell and when he fought buu as ultimate Gohan. His arrogance becomes his downfall.
Eric Phan sadly but yeah it's true
what about goku & vegeta? why didn't goku finishes freeza before he reached 100% power? because goku is curious to see freeza's max power so he risked that chance of winning and then trunks has to finish goku's job. why didn't goku ss3 finishes fat buu? because goku said to vegeta he wanted for young generations (trunks & goten) to be independently. why didn't vegeta finishes cell 2nd form? because he's pride would be wounded so he gave cell to be perfect. the point is: if everytime a hero finishes every bad guy with ease, the story wouldn't be dramatic.
Robs beast lets face it though sayians are very arrogant people
Well Future Trunks is not that arrogant. He killed Frieza, Frieza's father, his men, 17, 18, and Cell the second he had the power to do so. He did not care about seeing any of them get stronger. I mean even when Vegeta tried to help Cell get stronger Trunks attacked him.
Rayblade45 that's somewhat true but again he new what would happen if he didn't kill them so it wasn't that he isn't agrogant it's that he wasn't really allowed to be so. it also has been a while since I watched future trunks back story but if I recall he did seem pretty arrogant because of gohan
"I'm only getting started" *passes out* me every Saturday night after downing 5 shots and thinking I can keep going.
Andy Foster 10/10
if you can only down 5 shots and be done, you really are a light weight.
BRBingeDrinker oh you're one of those guys that take jokes literally
Andy Foster
I mean. I'm just saiyan. 5 shots is light weight territory. That is a fact.
BRBingeDrinker Saiyan
Gohan going SSJ2 in the Hypersonic Lion Tamer is one of the greatest moments of DBZ tbh.
hypersonic lion tamer xD, you drunk ? mate its *hyperbolic time chamber*
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@@en6367 Your not cultured enough to understand.
@@en6367 I can get it! Hypeebonic rhyme chamber!
@@calebjohnson701 tell me what you understood bro..
1:00 that's a proud arrogant saiyan right there, he seemed a lot like vegeta in that moment, imagine a fusion between vegeta and gohan, he'll toy with the enemy so much, he's going to make him wear a dress
remind the Vegeta in the first broly movie? This "Oh we get fucked, we cant win :'(" Vegeta? This and the Pussy-Gohan-Fusion would wear a dress "him"self.
Secuta except buy saga vegeta and gohan would ever have that mentally and by the way the didn't
Freddy Pedraza Vegehan? Gogetan?
@@tobyclain9467 vekhan
THIS IS THE LONGEST USERNAME EVER EXISTED DEBATE ME The letter k is hard to fit in since that k comes from Goku but good try anyway.
So.... Let me get this straight. Gohan just ascended 2 forms in 1 year? I mean he started becoming a SSJ in the hyperbolic time chamber and showed SSJ2 power to his dad as well!!
i think it has to do with, that his a kid. when ur kid u learn things mutch easier. as it is in real life
Spencer Chua Yes fool.
Matthew Morris Trying to insult me when I haven't offended you just shows your primate level intellect. It is idiots like you that make being on youtube so fun. Aww who am I to judge? Maybe your father was a primate after all.
No fool,
Spencer Chua no fool.
I love that they show us the flash back after the we the viewer see Gohan "achieve" the form. It brings satisfaction to understanding the mystery of Goku's confidence before + during the tournament. It's a good pacing of story in other words
Sadly the scene was not in the manga, but it’s excellent, it actually explains why Goku made the decison, he still didn’t tell Gohan about it but it’s a hell of an improvement.
@@indepth9930 I disagree. In the manga version it is thought that Goku sensed Gohan's potential before actually seeing it happen, which makes his choice to send his son against Cell an ever bigger leap of faith, while being absolutely senseless for the rest of the team.
Exposing this scene, implying it did happen, just dampens the depth of Goku's opinions about Gohan.
@@indepth9930 Furthermore, there is absolutely no misplaced pride in Goku to even think about hiding his son's progress to his friends, let alone sharing his strategy to save the world once more to them. I think he would actually be proud to tell everyone Gohan overpowered him even before starting the Cell games.
Goku is not Vegeta.
@@windriderrr but vegeta's fans will find a way to ridiculed goku it's became a fashion to praise vegeta and criticize goku
A flashback is always a lazy resource in storytelling. But if i remember correctly this was like a reminding of something already shown in a previous chapter, so its something like "remember what happened this day? There my behave" from goku to the audience. But if this wasnt shown that wouldnt be like a deus ex machina, we have seen gohans anger and growth season to season, and this, even if it was blasting, was a relief not a surprise
When u have watched too much TFS that this seems weird
VERY weird
BIG WEIRD
SUPER WEIRD
ULTRA WEIRD
MEGGGAAAA WEIIIRD
8 years, and it's still spelled as the Hypolic Time Chamber. Incredible
hahahaha
It's hipersonic maim camper
Hypersonic Lion Tamer!
I always thought it what hyperbolic time chamber 😅
Hydrologic Rhyme Painter
At 1:00 and 2:12 Damn, that sadistic smile though.. Gohan acts differently whenever he unleashes SSJ2, it's like he's a complete different person
You will never be a real woman
There's another part of this conversation. It's when Goku breaks it down to the others after Gohan defeats Cell. He tells them that when they were training in the hyperbolic time chamber there was a point where Goku was beating the crap out of Gohan. But then Gohan tells him, "Come on, Dad. Let's keep going". Goku - "At that point, I knew that if anyone was going to beat Cell it would be Gohan."
man, I knew they trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber,
but I didn't know they trained in the Hypolic Time Chamber as well
BowlingGlaceon 😂
hahahaha
XDDDDDDDD
Hyper tonic lion tamer
BowlingGlaceon xD
Holy shit gohan is stronger than goku when goku trained for years?!? JESUS
Mepp Inkatsu That's what half-breed blood does for you, I suppose...
Mepp Inkatsu When this was new they were wanting to kill off Goku and make Gohan the main character, but people didn't like that so they kept Goku as the main character.
Mepp Inkatsu then comes the buu saga....
buu saga in a nutshell
super powerfull dude gets even stronger as our heros do shit to stop him
once they do have a chance they fuck it up by making him into kid buu, then manage to kill him because cartoon logic
then the dragon balls
???
profit!
Mepp Inkatsu was until goku became a god
I love the attention to detail the animators put in. Briefly you can see gohan go from base, to super saiyan 2, then he briefly goes back to base super saiyan then back to normal. Just the small de-transformation detail is nice to see
Goku used to be so proud of Gohan. You can tell he gave up on training children during the Buu saga when Gotenks was useless and Gohan didn't keep up with training
@kevinBileg And did feck all with that power...
He held up pretty good in the tournament of power for not training
@@Nicknacktheking he started training after resurrection of F and getting one shotted by first form frieza
@@Zen-et9rc yeah he went from that to being able to stay toe to toe with ssjb Goku for a while, that's quite an improvement
@@TheHeisenBuldge more like poor writing
god fucking damn it it's a damn shame that gohan didn't continue to train after the cell saga he could have reached the power level of ssj 3 before the buu saga...:/
guess they needed some way to cripple him if he did keep training buu wouldnt be much of a threat
lightyoshiman I think since Goku's the main character, Toriyama introduced the time skip and Buu saga to put Goku back into the limelight.
Who cares. He turned into Ultimate Gohan which is better than a Ssj3.
Chizu Egwuatu Gohan was originally supposed to be the main person after Goku died during the fight with Raditz. But fans liked him more than Gohan, so Akira kept him in. People wanted Goku, not Gohan, to be the main person. So Gohan was made stronger than Goku, but really cocky, and not knowing the full extent of his power. And THEN Chi Chi made him go to school. If Gohan had kept training, he deffo would've been stronger than Goku.
tfl1997
i get your point dont get me wrong i love goku and i wouldn't want gohan to be the main character HELL NO!
"Alright gohan, I think it's time to get 'er home!"
"Hold on.
I'm not done ripping the wings off this Butterfly."
"Red flag."
@Ultimate Master Gamer "But what? You're gonna give me advice now?"
Ah yes. That time where TFS tried to re-dub DBZ instead of continuing making a parody
if only goku knew what happened a few episodes later.....
He still said "I'm proud of you, Gohan."
What?
Goku wished he pulled out
@@kevinmorgan2235 i wouldn't....
I'll just see myself out now
@@kevinmorgan2235Goku left cell to live in the first place. It was Goku's fault.
We all know gohan would be the strongest if he didn't stop training
*Thank you all for the likes* :D
Ye
Sad but true.. big disappointment
@@drno0o7 my dude gohan as person is a wasted opportunity for a great character
Not gonna lie I'm still salty that they made him stop training after the whole Cell saga. He would've been such a powerful person.
Tbh they might as well rename dragonball to the goku show at this point
2:29 awesome words from Goku, words every son wants to hear from his father
For anyone that is confused. Gohan (at his base level) was stronger then Goku when they came out of the chamber. Then he unleashed his true power and he was even stronger. Add the 100 times multipler on top of that as a SSJ 2. And None of the Z warriors came close. Matter of fact. It took Goku and Vegeta years to catch up.
Yea but Gohan himself didn’t believe he was stronger than his father
Which is why when Goku showed off his power both to Korin and against cell; everyone but Gohan was in shock and awe
Gohan thought his father was holding back because he just kept assuming his(Gohan) own power was lower than his fathers when it was the opposite
Gohan was holding back and Goku was at full power
SS2 is not 100x. Where are you pulling those facts from?
@@mysticvetenks, SSJ 1 is 50X stronger then base and SSJ is 2X stronger then SSJ 1. So do the math. SSJ 2 is 100X stronger then base.
It is not that his base is stronger normally. When Gohan gets a rage boost it is an additional multiplier on top of his transformation. That is why Gohan had more than a 2 times multiplier on top of his mastered ssj.
I bet Akira toriyama himself doesn't know that multiplier shit.
back when Gohan was a badass
"I threw hands with a 13 year old!!!"
- Cell
“I crush this flying cockroach that even adults are afraid of”
- Gohan
6 yrs later : can’t even transform ssj
They really played him
Facts
they relly neft gohan , dragon ball super is trash !
Klen TheCreezi is it just 6 years tho? I think it’s a lot more than that.
It's because he's neglected his training so his body can't withstand the power
@@kapils2862 6 years for the Buu arc, and he can still transform in SSJ and SSJ2
Super is 11 years later if I'm not mistaken
Dont you mean the HyperTonic LionTamer
That one was on purpose!
Stormy Sky I think he does
Nicholas Sanchez Maybe
🤣 that made my day
Hyp ebola rime chamber
You can tell it’s Kai, when the scenes are allowed to breathe with only ambient noise like the wind. Original dub just had nonstop music for 25 minutes.
Kai version is a massive downgrade. The music when in hyperbolic time chamber doesn't match the mood. It's like ff battle music. It makes no sense.
Pretty sure Kai just used the og soundtrack for the Japanese release. It is a personal downgrade for me as well. Bruce was my childhood and I think it sounds better. @@knucksicus
@@knucksicusagreed. I also don't like Gohan's Kai voice 😐
2:15 Never seen Goku stunned like that! 😂💪🏻
"I'm only getting started" But, you guys have trained for 20 hours!?
Gohan is one of my favorite characters, but it's still weird to see goku on the sidelines whenever I watch the cell saga
Very awkward indeed.
@@AlMahdi2k This is what happens when other characters get the spotlight
Goku was like always on sidelines most of the time from the start of dbz until Cell saga. The story focused on Gohan's development. Goku joined to the late fights only. Then Buu saga changed everything (finally). I don't like that Gohan get nerfed in Buu saga tough.
The problem with Gohan was that he powers up with his emotional outbursts, but got himself controlled by those outbursts instead of properly controlling it, which made him indulgent and always letting his guard down due to that indulgence in power.
Precisely
It’s not his fault. Vegeta claims it’s because of human DNA
@@angelmonroy9644 Lol! Vegeta is guilty of this behavior himself despite being 100% Saiyan. Classic Veggie self-unawareness. 😂
seeing that smirk on Gohan's face when he says *I'm only just getting started* always gives the the chills
When Goku walks away and heard "Wait dad...." and sees Gohan standing up struggling to catch a second wind...seeing Goku's look of shock and horror at his own son. It made this my favorite flashback in the series.
2:14 the moment Gohan was about to assassinate his own father 😅😅😅
No I don't think so Don't be crazy men 😧
It comes in genetics
lmao
That looks give me chills it's like literally Vegeta becomes ssj2 and seeing Goku scared and next thing he over powers him
0:58 look at cells hand xD
Fuckin got em
Made all of us look
LMFAO this 😭😂
Noooo😭😂
Cilvanis intensifies
2:10 Gohan's coolest moment. He will never surpass it.
When he stands infront of 8’0 tall buu and looks him in the eye is pretty cool too
Until now BEAST GOHAN
@@leultrainstinct406 nah beast gohan is lame as fuck, no modern merchandise shit can beat the old dbz
2:18 Goku:”That’s my boy!”
@@leultrainstinct406its not about power level.... its about impact on the audience.
The kid Gohan going ssj2 was impactful. The rage, the power that surpassed Goku, potential he showed, the surprise factor.
It is best moment of Gohan.
Beast was predictable... just a copy of classic ssj2 moment
2:23 Gohan.exe has stopped working
Bro Accidentally deleted ssj2 gohan.exe
And now he's a disappointment
Just like your grammar.
tickle my pickle and call me Chad I bet you're good at ORAL.
Alex Nigga your comment is irrelevant.
No name tbh no. He's got a family now and that's what he wanted. He isn't a fighter like Goku and Vegeta
No he redeemed himself
Gohan could've kept being awesome after this if it wasn't for chi chi.
Gohan could've snuck out to train if he really wanted to, y'all acting like he wouldn't have slowed down his training to study anyways
Chichi didn’t do anything
Chi chi: CHA LA HEAD CHA LA ..GO STUDY GOHAN
@@megatafiq1568 chi chi making gohan study was an anime filler.
You mean if it wasn’t for him he always wanted to be a scholar
Is it bad that I remember this scene more distinctly from DBZA than the actual anime???
2:17 the moment goku stopped training and started chilling in the hyperbolic time chamber.
2:11 Our first glimpse of the Beast.
please dont bring that goofball super shit in here
GOKU: You've got to control your strength, not the other way around. A few seconds later--"I didn't mean to hit him so hard!"
2:12 thata the look of legend. Only a few can wield it lol
If gohan achieve ssj 1 and 2 within just a year while he was twelve imagine if he didn't stop training until super
I love how goku didn't even helped his son get up, he just leave like it's job done
They'd already had the tough love chat by that point. Gohan didn't want Goku to go easy on him and that includes battle recovery and resilience. Gotta get himself up and over to the rest area
Why'd Trunks sound so triggered 😂 "YOU MEAN IT'S NOT OVER YET?! "
Android ptsd
atleast 20 years later.. And i still get goosebumps out of this while i am amazed.
Damn I'm going to have to go back and watch this whole series again 🥺
Always felt that scene of Gohan hitting the SSJ2 mark for the first time is badass.
Watching it again today, man, *still COLD* ❄💯
Goku: "Anything over 20 hours straight is overdoing it"
Sounds like boss...
I guess cell really payed an ARM AND A LEG XD
Goku: " I think that's just about enough go on we've been draining 21 hours in"
Gohan:"No...I'm just getting started"
Me: HAH yeah ok bud.
Insane. He wasn’t even fully transformed yet and his power was higher than Goku’s. The moment he full fully transformed for like 2 seconds, Goku probably sensed that Gohan was way ahead of him. That’s why he had so much faith.
Goku may be dumb, but once he goes ss2, he does start to become smarter. The super saiyan transformations pass 1, make the user more violent and instinct prone. Peoples insticts can make even the dumbest person, a genius. With ss3, Goku becomes capable of much greater things, not only with his power, but with how he thinks. Like when he fought buu as ss3 for the first time. When buu recovered from his first assault, he instantly knew, buu was not harmed. "He's completely unscathed, not even a scratch on him." Was his direct line. He also knew he could beat him at that time, but at the same time couldn't. He didn't have enough time, he used the fight to test buu. A thing Piccolo does very often. It shows when goten and trunks ask to be ss3, and goku denies them. (However he did show them, which seemed like a mistake because he inadvertently taught them at the same time, though im sure he knew they couldn't handle it when not fused, and im sure he knew they were going to attempt it when fused). I believe why he showed them, was to give Gotenks an even greater power to use against Buu, though it backfired. Goku is a genius who screws up imo lol.
Goku is far from dumb.
He is just really innocent. Think of a 8 year old kid.
Not dumb but just oblivious.
Oblivious in many things, even innocent. Genius in fighting....
goku isn't dumb at all. intellectually maybe but he is a genius at fighting. thats why nobody can outsmart him
He hasn't had any real education in his life. And he's pretty care free.
I wouldn't call him "dumb" He's capable of conversation.
Although he wouldn't be able to talk history or mathematics with you.
Chris Doemer Mathematics? dude.... if it was like that he would call ssj3 ssj1 just to not mess up the number lol.. jk bro
Krillin: “So does anyone else have sand in their-“
Everyone else: “YES!!!”
Trunks: “Everywhere!”
Goku was a person with good strategy and it always worked
So, it's just accidental reflex... Vegeta hit Trunks in the gravity chamber when he told him to land a punch on him. The same thing happens here @ 1:24 when Gohan buries his fist in Goku's gut & he kicks him back only reflexively at the moment of pain...
That smirk and power level was dangerous... If he had actually launched any kind of attack in his SSJ2 form Goku wouldn't have made it of that Camber... {Goku knew it as well you can see him sweating profusely}
Gohan the real protag they had to nerf em frfr
Lmao when goku says "overdoing it" and "training" in the same sentence is when you know that Gohan was a monster
Honestly, Toriyama shouldn't have wasted Gohan's potential, we can only imagine what could have happened if Gohan became the MC after the Cell, no even after then Frieza Saga. It's fine that Goku stayed, because the fans wanted it that way. But having his legacy become the MC would have been just way too 🔥. Gohan could have become the coldest MC.
0:35 Yamcha: Does anyone have sand in there
Everyone: YES!!
Krillin: Everywhere!!
Back then when the ssj 2 meant something in the dragon ball universe
The only downside to KAI is the lack of BRUCE FALCONER music. The dub is much better (apart from gohans voice) and KAI follows the manga more correctly. I still prefer the original FUNI dub but KAI would of been 10/10 to me if they had bruces music.
no
yes
Iam Ninja nah
I agree
Agree
Goku typed the title of this video for sure.....
WTH WHO ELSE HAS NEVER SEEN THIS SCENE IN DBZ AND I WATCHED IT LIKE 50 TIMES
I think this is dragonball z kai. They re-did some scenes throughout the anime.
I was waiting for Krillin to say "Does anyone else have sand in their-"
He goes SSJ2 for 1 second before passing out.
Goku: “That’s enough, let’s go fight cell, we are leaving early”.
Had they stayed in the time chamber to finish the whole day, they could’ve perfect Gohan’s SSJ2 so he can actually use it in practice at will, Cell would’ve died much sooner.
"HEY, KID!!!!
YA MISSED A SPOT!!!!"
“Done getting your shit together up there. Because I’m starting to get bored.”
*Vegeta accidentally punched Trunks* Dry your tears, we're going to the park now
*Goku punched Gohan too hard* Let's call it a day. *Walks away*
Oof you’re right.
Lmao
Vegeta...clearly the better dad. 😂🤷🏽♂️
the hell, this scene was so much better in the og Z
Gohan was so badass at that time.
Only true Gohan fan knows how badass was he used to be
Cell: HEY KID YA MISSED A SPOT
Wow 20 hours straight? Wonder what else they can do for 20 hours😏
I'm sure Chchi and Videl have tested their limits at least once. 😋
One day I wanna train in the Hypolic Time Chamber
Have fun with 10x gravity and intense weather
+mojeda117 lmai if he was a show off I bet he would make it x100
do you actually mean "one year"?
Doesn’t everyone?
Even just walking around in the house area is enough
I’m convinced Goku getting his ass kicked by Gohan was why they left the chamber early lol
If I could go back in time and watch the cell saga for the first time I would
I still like Gohan's old voice actor over the Kai's actor.
When I watched Gohan transform into Gohan Beast in theaters this scene was all I was thinking about. Gohan had always had the potential to be the strongest.
When you don't know what kind of a beast Gohan is.
He might be a beast in bed lol 😂🤣😏😉
*Gohan:* YAY IM SSJ2 WITH DAD
*Goku:* WOW
*Gohan:* Falls
*Goku:* BRUH ._.
😂😂
Cringe.
@@kronillix2735 no one said you can talk💀
The way he kicks gohan so hard that he can't move and then just turn around and go away
I will never get used to Gohan's new voice actor.
Was looking for this. Old voice was perfect
What are you guys salty about? I like new VA more than old one.
@@SomeBody-_-Yt he sounds like a 17 year old Dike.
Imagine what would happen to Goku inside the hyperbolic time chamber if Gohan is able to hold the tranformation for a bit longer and be able to attack..🤔
Goku would’ve gone “Splat”
Probably punched through him
Oh plz
It's Goku
He would've found a way to beat Gohan at ssj2
@@rand0mi732 uh no , hed die before be could
@@rajjgaming5919 I have no idea why people like Gohan so much
You misspell hypersonic rhyme chamber
That look just before he goes SSJ2 is Badass
Looks like cell is having a really bad day
I swear that little crack on Gohan in the thumbnail had me for a sec. woooeee, somebody, stop me!! 😂
lol go in the time chamber if u wanna cram for a test
Rida Darwish come out a specialist in that field.
Lol
LOL
This needs to exist
Gohan kinda sounds like he has the same voice as Ezra fairy tail
Gabriel Cook Yeah they are the same VA.. Colleen Clickenbeard or something like that
Gabriel Cook my name is Ezra too 😇
Gabriel Cook Erza not Ezra
Hayley Costanza Breezy he did say ezra...
I love the way they animated this to show all three of his forms in a split second, Gohan broke through the barrier but then instantly reverted form to SSJ1 right before he passes out, showing the audience a real physical difference in the forms!
This first glimpse of SSJ2 is just so perfectly done.
Hats off to chi chi for holding gohan back, he could have been the strongest through out super
They had to nerf Gohan because he would have become the main character
Good times when DBZ actually had decent storytelling
Its called the hyper sonic rhyme chamber.
Mr popo: you did that one on purpose
You guys dissing this version of DBZ have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, it may not be like the original version, but the original version doesn't follow the manga. That's the whole entire purpose of DBZ Kai, to tell you the manga version. Therefore, it has more truth to it while the 1st one doesn't but has more featured episodes & side stories, Sailor Moon also doesn't completely follow the manga & there's a brand new series coming in July that will follow the manga, but of course, some of you may not know of mangas/comics, just the anime versions.
The original had a ton of filler yes but it followed the manga quite well from what ive seen. Honestly i only have 2 problems with kai the music is lame i loved bruce's ost and gohan's voice... ESPECIALLY GOHAN's VOICE MY GAWD TOTAL SHIT
Taka Bruce Aids Falconer
Okay! Goku! Here's a crazy idea! Why didn't you wait the FULL year to help Gohan train and maybe, possibly, help him train to MASTER this new transformation? Let him get a better handle on it so that he wouldn't lose control in his fight with Cell? And whats more be able to call upon it right away!
Because Goku thought that Gohan had achieved the potential to defeat Cell and that training was no longer necessary and that it would also just exhaust himself and Gohan to continue. His Saiyan mentality was to throw Gohan into the fight with Cell and it would just come out naturally because Gohan is a Saiyan. But Gohan being half-human means he doesn't necessary like to fight just for pleasure like himself and Vegeta and all pure Saiyans. This was pointed out to Goku by Piccolo after the fight began and Goku wondered why Gohan was struggling. Goku's was thinking with his Saiyan mentality.
Honestly, as a dbz fan my brother and I were excited when we first heard about Kai and how they were going to remaster the awesome moments in our childhood, potentially making it a step up from the original. Then we watched Kai and we were just disappointed, like we just watched GT disappointed. Gohan's new voice still annoys the hell out of me to the point I just switch the voices in Japanese in the newer games. They music was bad and it didn't have that bad ass feeling the funimation one had. I gave it a shot and I didn't like it but to each their own.
+Gerell Burris too bad funimatio change up the japanese version very in a bad way