For me, one of the best things about FH 4 is how lived-in and alive the world felt. Even a few years after release I was discovering new little houses or back-roads. Edinburgh felt so lifelike and even the open countryside felt full and rich with detail. A massive contrast to FH5, which feels empty and featureless. For me, that's where FH4 shines, more so than any other FH other than FH2
I think Mexico is just as feature filled, it’s just bigger so feels less full for some reason. But fh5 has so do many little nooks and crannies-more than fh4 in my opinion. Let’s meet back here three years into fh6’s lifespan when we’re all griping about it and reminiscing about fh5’s map 😂
I was a really socially awkward kid before FH4 but its the awesome map exploration, meetups, and festival playlist grinds with online people really helped me get used to interacting with people and being myself, so I'm forever grateful to FH4 for that :) The Hospital Records OST also got me into DnB forever changing my music taste for the better. FH4 is one of my favorite games of all time 👍
Which is odd to me and maybe it's just this generation of gamers... I'm slightly older (20s) and found voice chat to be WAY more prominent back in the late 2000's and early 2010s. Motorsport custom lobbies were near close to CoD with how busy the mics could be. You don't get that in any racing game today. I met many people on FM3/4 and GT5/6 - whereas for the past few years it seems people are mostly introvertive. That's actually why I have seen some people shift from console gaming to PC for sim racing. The community. People who don't like playing alone
FH3 Hospital Records and Pulse introduced me to so much music and changed my tastes forever I will always love that game for that. Same as you I love DnB because of that station. At least in FH5 Hospital is still pretty good, shame the other stations aren't as good as they were in previous games.
Horizon 4 is the absolute best. Winter was the best season and everyone complained so much that every season in FH5 is summer, trash. I have over 15 thousand hours in that game because the reply value was so high. FH5 is nowhere near as fun, I don’t even have 3000 hours in FH5.
Always loved forza horizon 4. My wife recently showed interest in playing (keeper) and now I get to experience my favorite racing game of all time with her with fresh eyes through her progression.
Lining up for 5 or 6 wide highway races with randoms was the best memories I have of this game and I loved it. Making it to the other side first in your own customized expression of a car had a fulfilling feeling and I learned to respect peoples styles if I lost in a way I didnt irl or in other racing games. It led to great conversation in dm's sharing ideas and learning tuning when a car beat you and you wanted to know what the player had done to it. FH4 is on the mount rushmore. P.S. respect to everyone who didnt jsut pull out the S tier cars always when they lost.
When you lose the race so you break out the Unimog. And you still lose but have a blast just ramming traffic out of the way. Even better when they break out their Unimogs as well
While FH1 was the first Forza game I played, FH4 was the first game I shared with a friend who also liked cars as much as I do (my lil bro doesnt count lol). We spent SO much time racing that we were pretty 50/50 in most of our races. This game holds a special spot in my heart for all the good times.
This game has a very special place in my heart. I saved up for months to buy the edition that would come with FD cars but unfortunately had to use the money for another thing. Now I got it and have been playing it non-stop for the past month or so.
Fh4 for me really pulled it together. Great Britain may have felt quaint but for me it was aggressive and fast. The roads felt real and well traveled. The range of cars was second to none and a joy to look at as well as drive. I loved the seasons including the snow as it gave wonderful photo opportunities and a sense of challenge to one’s favourite routes. It felt natural. I’ve just returned to playing it after getting bored with FH5 and realised that I was never bored playing FH4 I only stopped as I felt I needed to upgrade to FH5. It’s good going back not through nostalgia but because it’s such a great game
I started with Fh4 and man it was such an awesome and masterpiece of a journey. There exist a special place in my heart for Fh4. The Spring season is the best I always keep taking neverending photos lol. Fh4 really is the best game for me and I'll keep playing it forever!! Recently I got Fh3 with dlcs for PC and it's looks nice as well.
People really didn’t like this game when it came out and now there’s a lot of nostalgic love for it. First Forza I played, and the central part of the map is based near where I live, so it was very influential for me and I love it! I think it will only be looked back on more fondly as time passes, I got bored of FH5 a lot quicker.
Yeah imo this was a good example of people not liking the "new thing" until becomes the "older thing." FH4 certainly caught some hate early on but now it seems like everyone I talk to remembers it so fondly.
@@HokiHoshi it would help if new things launched fully functional and feature-complete without downgrading a bunch of stuff compared to the previous one. until industry practices change every game, not just forza, will launch in a half-finished state and be worse than the previous one that's been updated and patched for years, but stuff like how horzion 5's online was at launch shouldn't be excusable. i'm pretty confident in saying the people who hated snow were a different group of people than the ones who said they missed it in 5.
I assure you once the new FH release. FH5 will be remembered fondly for its great additions and feature. It happens in every release. Same happened with FH4, I remembered being hated back then. I remember when FH3 release and some people are not a fan of the direction compared to FH1 & FH2. On how flat the map it, downgraded progression compared to part titles, HW DLC being bashed, etc. etc. People are more vocal on the negative parts of the game when it is the current title.
Just want to say, nostalgia will always distort our views of these games, I can remember a time where the majority of the fanbase was in discontent with Forza Horizon 4.
@@racdude01its always the negativity that is loud though. Its hard to tell how many people actually enjoyed that stuff, because they just did lol no reason to complain if youre enjoying it
@@racdude01 People do not like change, least not at first. It's awkward, it's uncomfortable, because it's outside what you're used to, you have to break your usual habits and understandings and try to learn something new. I mean, look at Minecraft and it's player base, every update people complain about changes, yet go on to eventually appreciate the changes with time as those changes become more natural as they go from uncomfortable newness, to the status quo. Plus people voice negativity more than positivity. Someone who's having an issue with their car will voice that, someone who's having no issues with the same make and model wouldn't have the need to say "I'm not having any problems." Thus it seems like there's more negativity and hate, than there is positivity and love.
I'm pretty sure I remember FH4 being better received by the fanbase than FH5. Personally, I played FH4 for years, but was bored of FH5 in a matter of weeks.
Winter was the best thing against cheaters (specially the ones with the Ingushetia flag). They where missing so many turns and checkpoints because of the speed they were going lmao.
There's a certain feeling of nostalgia when thinking of FH4, at least for me. I've spent so much time drifting and racing, both online and offline. Not to mention how successful it was for Microsoft too. Love this game
The problem with the entire Horizon series is that they don't encourage you to memorize tracks (real racing). You almost have to use race lines and rewind to be competitive.
Winter was really good in this game, if you installed snow tyres on your car, and used cars that could handle the snow well, like 4x4s, 4wd rally cars and so on. Being from Sweden does make me biased towards winter and snow, and since 1999, you must equip your car with winter tyres in winter here in Sweden, so snow tyres is a very big thing in Sweden 👍
Pros: - Set where i live (i live literally 10 minutes from ashbrook irl, ashbrook is in D&G in Fh4) -Memorable Map -Nice sounds -2018 (best year) -Memories Cons: -Shit customisation -Glitchy - Ass damage model (basically every racing tho so..) - invisible barriers -indestructible trees
I remember back in 2018 going over to my friends house after he just got the game and we were playing it for the first time, it truly is a nostalgic game for many.
I started playing Horizon 4 right around COVID, when I was living in my grandparents' basement with my cousin while my family was getting our new house ready. By that point, season rewards were unlocked at 80%, a lot of the features were already in the game, and there was a community with a solid foothold enjoying the game. It was honestly one of the best times of my life, hanging out with my cousin, driving cars, and exploring the game. I had moved back to the US a couple of years prior after living abroad for 8 years and through high school, I hadn't really made many friends; certainly not to the same level as the ones I had left behind. Picking up the game and feeling like I had walked into a party in full swing was a great way to escape the real world and make some friends, even if that friendship only lasted the length of our drive around the map. To paraphrase the current top comment, the world really did have more soul than Mexico. I'm not sure if it's down to how H5 has massive swaths of open land that you can see right across or just a lack of buildings, but everything in Britain felt much more dense. There was a lot to see and explore even in a small area, and the abundance of low rock walls and trees flanking almost every road seemed to make the map bigger. I get the same feel when driving in the jungle in H5, but it can't quite balance out the desert to bring that same experience back. The seasons as well were always one of my favorite parts of H4 and I'm one of the people who enjoyed winter as much as or more than summer. I'd take out a tuned Subie, the S1 Quattro, my own Lola T70 tuned for winter, or just have some fun and try to keep a road/track car under control at full throttle. To me, Mexico's seasons just don't bring enough variation and it kind of feels the same every time I log in. It may just be that I'm seeing it through rose-colored glasses, but despite the bias that nostalgia brings, Horizon 4 really is the best of the series. Granted, it was my first Forza title and I don't have first hand experience with the other games, but if nothing else, it was my personal favorite.
I bought Horizon 4 off ebay a couple months ago. It's perfect. I've watched a couple videos of Mexico in FH5... it looks desolate, empty and boring as can be.
Sunrise is by far the best FH music bar none. I struggle to keep myself from crying everytime. Even typing it on YT and seeing the first video got me bawling
Forza Horizon 4 was my first Forza and has had a special place in my heart. I live in northern England and holidayed often in amble side, the town on the north side of lake Windermere, and around the lake in general. It brings back memories of my family and my grandad whos no longer here, who I spent a lot of time with in the beautiful and scenic green country on these holidays. I think the game gets near to real life in the way that the rolling hills make you feel small and look never-ending as they dwarf your field of view. The driving on the winding roads you find up there (apart from the fact that they are far narrower) in contrast with the fast and straight motorways offer so much versatility in how you can drive. In addition to all the off roading that is possible there are so many ways in which you can experience the game. I love the setting and location but i might be a bit biased. I wonder what non-british people think about the location as i always find that northern England and Scotland to be a niche setting for a game and can't think of many games set there. Thanks for the video and hope you have a good one.
I bought FH4 off ebay a couple months ago and I absolutely LOVE the scenery- everything about all of it. I'm in Seattle and much of the game is like taking a drive up toward the Cascade Mountains. They de-listed the game 2 days ago and nothing is missing for me. It's a great game if you want to visit a sunny forest or lakeside environment when, in real life, it is a massive downpour of rain. I don't need the races (which are still there) or the Festival Playlist (which is gone). I like to just cruise at 150mph+ dodging traffic in my Ferrari 512tr with 700 HP or F40 with 634HP, drifting as I go. And the ability to drift in the dirt is really great, compared to Forza 7 (which is what I was used to). I play Forza to drift at high speed and to explore the countryside (jumping the hills on the beach and going flying can be fun for a few minutes too). I can't imagine why anyone would want to spend time in FH5 in Mexico, in comparison.
Idk if this is intentional or not but with these videos coming out monthly, FH5s should come out next month and then in June, it’s possible that FH6 might get announced, would be a cool ending to this series
For me it's like FH1, 2 and 3 tried to convince that you were in a real world, in a real festival. FH4 and 5 looks empty because you enter and have to do the playlist in that empty world. Breaks the illusion as a videogame.
@@youtubeisracistxmaybe the real world is so mysterious because unlike forza we can’t just smash and drift to most places in our travelable outcomes. Thusly the reason of “ I ain’t going in there my shoes are nice” is all it takes to create mystery
@@youtubeisracistxyeah just like the people who complain about fh5s map being boring it’s fkn Mexico that’d be like having one set in Death Valley and being like man it’s pretty lifeless and bland out here 😂
How's the car customization in 4? Want to play an open world racing game with in depth car building but don't know which one between Forza 4/5, Burnout Paradise, or one of the newer Need for Speed games?
@@Sevatar_VIIIth Based on the videos I've seen on here, FH 5 is ugly desolate and boring. I bought FH4 off ebay a couple months ago- it's fantastic. They did de-list it two days ago so the festival playlist is gone, but that makes no difference to me. That's not what I like about the game. I enjoy doing all the mods to increase horsepower, handling etc... choosing wheels, painting etc. You can adjust suspension settings, gear ratios, downforce from wings. You can increase tire diameter, width, track, reduce sidewall thickness, choose from stock, sport, race, rally rubber compound (and damper settings and ride height) etc... You can convert your car to AWD or put a V8 or V12 in it. Turbos, superchargers, etc... All the same stuff you could do in Forza Motorsports 7. FH4 is set in a beautiful forested area of Scotland with lakes, mountains, beaches, a waterfall, castles, churches, small towns, trains, and the city of Edinburgh to spend time exploring. You can drift on the dirt forest roads or on the frozen lake in winter or on the beach where you can also jump off the sand dunes and go flying. I like to explore while drifting at 150 MPH dodging the traffic in a 700 HP Ferrari 512tr or F40 or a 400 HP 288 GTO (painted blue of course). And the seasons change. I highly recommend it. I bought it off ebay for $8 plus $8 shipping... which was a very good deal.
4 is my favourite. A really good map. I maybe in a minority but the Lego expansion was superb. Doing the challenges and building the house kept me busy for months. I enjoyed that so much I reset the house and started it again.
Opening the video with the TR6 was an excellent choice. I really enjoy cruising this map in unmodified old sports cars. They may be slow but they're definitely entertaining!
@@xman777b I think you get it from playing the Super 7. They give out rewards from ranking up Super 7 in Horizon Life, so you have to play a lot of them to get there. Or you could always try the auction house. I seem to remember all of the Triumphs being pretty hard to come by, as I've only got one of each, meanwhile having duplicate Ferraris etc. out the wazoo.
@@blisterbrain thanks brother. Yeah, TR8 is in my all-time Top 5 cars in real life. Need to get that TR7, as it's the closest we can get. Thanks for the good info. 👍
For me, this is the one I hardly touched because: I put loads of hours into the previous 3, ESPECIALLY FH3. This game didn’t differ to much from FH3 so I think I was just a bit burned out on the series at the time. IIRC it came out roughly at the same time as RDR2 and BFV which was where I sunk most of my gaming time in that period. I have been thinking of going back to it though, to give it a proper try. I lived in the UK for most of my life.
One of my favourite and most played racing games... The season kept me looking forward to each week ... What new challenge i would get ... I would change setups buy cars ... That was what motivated me to keep playing even more
Best Goliath of the series. Feels like a proper old school race track with a perfect mix of technical sections and sweeping curves that dare you to go full send. I'm still improving my Rivals time on it to this day.
it was the best for me personally as it was my first and I just remember spending so many hours just driving around with my freinds and completing forzathon live with at least 10 people. Backstage passes were a brilliant feature and made it actually plausible for you to get rare cars, the DLC's were also good. Although not the largest Fortune island had some great roads and the treasure hunt offered an alternative way to make quite a few credits, also it was quite nice to have the uk and recognisable scenery enhanced by the seasons
I played the game right when it came out and had a lot of fun with it. Ever since I first drove into Edinburgh in-game, I knew it would be on my real-life bucket list. I was able to visit the city a year ago and it felt crazy; I truly felt like I had entered the game world! One opportunity the devs missed though was that Scotland's roads are ridiculously narrow. It may have brought some better racing if they keeped them like that in the game.
i still rly adore this game to this day and i’m so glad to see in the comments i’m not the only one who loves it the most out of any of the horizon games
for me horizon 4 was a game that i grew up with throughout high school. I remember first playing it on my xbox one non stop. I have a bias obviously, but the game did bring in life and allowed the ability to explore different options of play style (even if at times it did get overwhelming). Now I moved over to PC and got the ultimate edition on sale and now can satisfy that kid part of me that wanted to play the DLC. The most memorable moment from horizon 4 for me was the rough times in my life where I would just drive on the road and follow other players to de-stress my mind. This game has a community that made it feel alive and lived in.
FH4 nailed it for me. The setting, the seasons, the soundtrack even more than the other games, just brilliant. I keep coming back to this one despite owning FH5. I think this was my favourite one honestly.
I set up an SW20 MR2 on rally tires & race suspension specifically for winter. It made ripping around the map a total blast. I hope we get winter again in the next game. It made racing lower class cars and rally racing even more fun than any other season.
Who’d have thought it would turn out to be much loved? I remember NOTHING but criticism for FH4. Literally nothing but. I loved it, although the car sounds were dreadful. But the snowy season, with the cool snowy roads in the northwest, is much missed for me. The handling on snow was unique, just unique, and the people who whined about it are the reason we can’t have nice things.
People suddenly think FH4 is good because FH5 is the new Low Point. Quite simply. FH4 was a step backwards, apart from the weather and the graphics. Nobody could have guessed that FH5 would take another step backwards...
@@TufteMotorsport The mountains had that wonderful deep-pile snow at the top though. You can't have that everywhere; it's undriveable, and the UK clears it when it gets on the roads so that the remaining snow is just the kind of snow that was on the roads in the game.
@@elkristof86 That would've been a reasonable compromise. But it didn't bother me because even in winter it was still only half the map that had snow on it. Too many gamers think the developers should give in to every demand they have, but when people want different things you have to compromise, and it's a shame people weren't able to see that compromise on snow was better than no snow at all.
@@benn87 It hasn't taken another step backwards. Every Horizon is better than the last; the reason people claim otherwise is mostly nostalgia. FH3 is one of the flattest, least characterful maps, but people pretend it's the highpoint. FH2's map is even more bland aside from Amalfi and a few other places. FH4's map added a genuinely mountainous area, it added seasons, it was visually superior, had many more cars, better customisation, much much better live service features. We also got the Needle Climb in the DLC(less said about the Lego DLC the better), which drifters like me spent hours trying to master. And FH5, aside from the lacking city, is better still. Vastly superior wheel support, much better visuals, hugely improved car sounds, many more widebodies and customisation features, anti-lag, two-step, hugely improved photo mode(finally), Event Lab being one of the best things ever added to any Forza game... It's alright to fall out of love with a series: it's natural after playing it for a long time. But don't pretend that everyone agrees on this. And don't confuse that boredom with the game itself being worse than previous ones. In a decade's time people will be raving about FH5's atmosphere and feel just like you're probably getting misty eyed about older Horizons.
The snow was so great. Maybe a bit biased growing up in a very snowy place but it was something just so different. I honestly got more annoyed with rain as it would loose you just enough traction to make drift zones awkward. During the winter, everything was just so different that I didn't care and just had fun with it.
3:10 You only miss things when they’re no longer around, and by extension the same applies to people, so show ur fam/friends/significant other some love yall
Yeah. After spending a week in Edinburgh, I’m coming back to FH4 to help ease my Post-Scotland-Depression-Syndrome. Lovely country, and I wish I could stay there forever. The game really does a great job capturing little bite sized chunks of Scotland.
This game is a masterpiece. To this day the intro gives me chills. The map is beatiful the UI is beatiful. I never played this game online so I only saw the best of this game (imo), since I think singleplayer is not flawed really at all. Maybe thats just me though.
Winter was the best season. Rally racing was insanely fun, and honestly if your fast car wasn’t just a power build then the roads were no issue. Now all we get is a bit of snow on a volcano
I loved the winter season because it forced me to break away from my drag and track car tuning and made me focus on rally and off-road tunes. This game balanced everything for me perfectly.
One of the things I loved the most is that Edinburgh felt so familiar to me. I live in the US mid-south, a pretty temperate area pretty similar to what's displayed in-game, snow in the winter, stormy springs, the whole deal. Driving around the Edinburgh countryside just felt natural, whether I was cruising or hauling tail, it just felt right with the rolling hills, fields, and farms. I also do alot of quad riding in back country trails so taking one of the side by sides around the quarry area or anywhere else was, once again, a straight shot a nostalgia. I could never get tired of where I live (Except mosquitoes, ticks, and the humidity) or lived in feeling FH4's world. FH5 just feels so dead and unfamiliar, its no coincidence I spend most of my time in the northern canyon region of the map.
FH4 is still the game I play more than any other game, map was just so detailed. The country roads reminding me of roads around where I used to live when I first started driving. Loved winter. I can happily cruise around on here for hours. I’ll put on FH5 and be bored of the map within around 20 minutes. Wish they would increase garage space and livery space as maxed out both within the first couple of months of the games release.
FH1 and 2 will always hold a special place in my heart because I used to play them with my best friend in high school almost daily. He passed away right before FH4 came out and I played the hell out of it knowing that we would’ve been having so much fun on it together. I still play it and love it considerably more than FH5. 5 has a lot of good stuff going on don’t get me wrong but it doesn’t hit the soundtrack or the feeling quite like the other games did. As James May says, FH4 gave me the fizz just like 1 and 2 did and I’m grateful I got to play it in its prime. But I will say the Vipers sounded HORRENDOUS in that game
We just need something between FH4 and FH5 winter. FH4 always annoyed me when I wanted to tune road cars during winter. But only having snow at the top of the volcano in FH5 is a disappointment IMO. I guess it’s understandable for Mexico though
I think you should've talked about the drift road in treasure Island map. It was awesome and still full of players. On the other hand one downside of dh4 is bad online connection.
FH4 was my first forza and I think best. The seasons are the thing that makes it better than other FH´s. And driving in E class combi in winter is just so good
My friend group had an absolute blast with FH4 and the only reason why we ever stopped playing it was because we extremely overplayed it and then Warzone came out.
I liked 4, the biggest thing I would say that brought it down was the lego expansion. the racetrack it had *almost* being brooklands was cool, but how much cooler would it have been if it was just the real brooklands but fixed up in the digital world so we could drive it. The lack of a lot of british car culture was quite sad too, some genuinely great and important things missing that still exist in their little niches in the uk, and the fact that the company that made the game is british kinda removes a lot of excuses they may have. And the roads are so wide that completely ruined the map, and the highlands is represented by 1 hill with 1 road that goes around it entirely. those are kind of important. you should feel like you are on the edge while driving british country roads, even in a stock hatchback, they are so narrow that a widebody aventador would fill the road entirely. imagine if they made a map in japan and the touge roads were 8 cars wide and didnt have hairpins or switchbacks? you might say "that defeats the entire appeal of the touges in japan", well thats the same thing with british country roads. the final complaint is that the horizon story "british racing green" I think it was called? the purpose of which was to teach about the british car culture and some key cars in it, well, it just got a bunch of stuff blatantly wrong, which again, cant really be excused.
@@elkristof86 you say that, but I think it would cause a shift in racing. how boring is D class? C class? even B sometimes? you just cannot race them on most tracks because theyre so slow and the roads are so wide that every corner is flat out. im not saying all roads have to be so narrow you cant fit down them with some cars, but there needs to be enough and in the places that they should be so that yes, the morgan 3 wheeler is actually "pretty quick". Remember the top gear lap where the caterham R500 beat the veyron? thats a thing. you cant use a 1500hp supercar everywhere and always be the fastest or have the most fun. It also would make driving those 1500hp supercars themselves more interesting because you would have to be conservative while driving a lot more, not just soaring through the map at 250mph+. The highway and similar "main roads" can be wider, but man, where are the country roads with danger lurking either side that gives you a rush to drive on...
I have played FH4 and FH5 online racing extensively. I did not finish both of their story/career mode as racing against bots bore me now. FH4's online racing is a LOT BETTER. They have pretty similar gameplay but the weather variations of FH4 were more common which made it more challenging thus more fun. Then the freeroam rush mode of FH4 which I don't get why they did not include it in FH5 anymore was a lot of fun!
One thing I really love that FH4 had, and you did mention it, but I wanna give my thoughts on it is the businesses. I really did like the idea and them combined with my weekly super wheel spins got me 140m. I definitely recommend getting 3 stars on all of the businesses, Most of the chapters are not that difficult if you know what your doing. Essentially, its like a automatic money farm. I wish they could return in FH5.
FH4 is my favourite by dint of the fact it was the first one I tried, it was based in the UK my home nation, was my first exposure to Xbox and it helped me get through the pandemic. I therefore had no preconceptions about the game, struggled initially with completing playlists but once I found a tuner that suited my driving style it became much easier! I've probably engaged with more game features in FH5 than FH4 but that is down to greater experience and confidence than anything else.
I feel like fh3 was the best/most fun to me because I didn’t try to maximize everything, but be happy to grind for 1 or 2 cars then be good with it. From fh4 and now to fh5 it’s just so easy that within a couple of days I feel like I’ve done everything I’d wanted to do in the game(and may come back whenever there is a new cool car added)
Horizon 4 did it's online servers so much better than 5. You would open the map and find players across the whole thing. You saw where all the hotspots were in real time, and could drive there to find and join those players. It made the game feel populated, and it made it easy to find people at any time. Whatever server-hopping shenanigans they felt the need to add in 5 were totally unnecessary, not to mention they hardly even worked properly.
I live in a place that this map features so of course i love it! I also think it has the most technical roads. Doesnt carry the wow factor that 3 did but its still my favourite or a close battle with 2... winter can be a struggle sometimes
FH4 is my favorite by a long run, i just so much love the map. I dont know why but i just do, i just feel like in big Top Gear sandbox when playing, and i still do to this date!
FH4 is not my fovorite horizon to play, but it is my favorite game in the series. I lived in another country for most of the game's life and playing online was how i stayed connected with my dad and friends back home.
Three things I wish you'd commented on: 1. Open Progression 2. Mixer 3. LaRacer 1. Open Progression - I know a lot of people consider FH4 to have the weakest progression model in the series, but I love how open it is, and I love the idea of being able to do more than just race in order to progress and level up. Even with FH4, I was irritated that Playground Games still couldn't manage to not make everyone in the game a car nut, but FH4 was close enough to at least giving people the option to focus on other aspects of driving/racing to further incentivize engaging with those aspects of the series. 2. Mixer - Progression-related, I know, but I really wish you'd mentioned Mixer, even if only as a brief joke. I really don't think I have the heart to obliterate my FH4 save file to start from scratch, as much as I love FH4, as I don't want to see the gaping hole where Mixer would exist. The 24/7 influence streams helped to build out the community a bit more, in my opinion, and I wish Microsoft had not only stuck with Mixer but also built similar functions into other games series. 3. LaRacer - I know you mentioned stories from a business perspective, but LaRacer was one of my favorite aspects of FH4. Prior to experiencing the LaRacer story and despite already being a huge FH fan, I still came into FH4 with the viewpoint that the driving/racing games scene was just this thing that still paled in comparison to what other genres offered. I know a lot of people found LaRacer to be annoying, but I found her to be sort of an amalgam of the Playground Games team members' personal accounts and memories of their gaming careers, and I came to understand why people could feel every bit as nostalgic about a driving/racing game as I was about some of the games that shaped my own preferences in gaming. I recall 2-3 of these LaRacer segments even causing me to get a bit misty-eyed, which was probably a first for a racing game. (FH5's initial drive also got me.) Anyway, great video. As someone who was initially really put off by winter, I have to say that I came to really appreciate winter due to FH4's open progression system. I hate how people obsess over times and ranks and whatnot, and I think Playground Games should've simply incentivized playing in every season by keeping seasons separate from one another for leaderboard purposes and encouraging people to find ways to exploit different paths and vehicles to compete better in winter. It's easy to forget FH5 even has seasons, and it's almost criminal how much of a backseat snow has taken in FH5.
100% agree about LaRacer. It does feel like the byproduct of a conversation that sparked up among employees in the break room over a cup of tea, talking about the first racing game that really hooked them into car culture and racing. And like you, it gave me some pause for reflection on the first time I ever put the Japanese Import of Gran Turismo into my PS1 and hit the power button. LaRacer was the right amount of nostalgia, blended with the right amount of respect as it paid homage to other racing games that came before Forza. And let's be honest, one of the best auto phrases in the game was "Game Over YEAAAHHHHH!" 🤣
@@bigbuckoramma Haha. For sure. What's funny about Sega's presence in the LaRacer story (3 or 4 out of the 10 slots, I think) is that I'm a huge Sega fan, and even I hadn't realized that Crazy Taxi had found its way into the FH series because of those jumps. LaRacer opened my eyes. Haha.
FH4 was the place where I was top 10 in drag racing. Not in the leader board, from real drag strip 1/4 mile with someone running tail lights to signal GO. Someone always had an alt that had a summer season locked for the week where it was winter. Good times. Drag racing was my shit and I had some fast ass cars. Second cage Chevy nova and second cage fox always put in that work and had people floored with highway wheelies from a dig.
i agree this is the best forza horizon because its not boring *looking at you mexico* and it has alot of fun things to do in a closer space *unlike mexico* and it has a very good city (Edinburgh) *also unlike mexico's guanahato*
Definitely my most played Horizon! I was playing it daily between FH3 and FH5. I couldn't even finish FH5 campaign, harsh to say but it felt like an FH4 DLC...
this is obviously biased but I think I speak on behalf of the uk gamers, A massive charm of the game is just the setting. The Uk in general but particularly modern uk is almost never seen in games. Infact i cant think of any apart from fh4. Driving around places iv actually been and driving roads and motorways that feel like real life is astonishing
For me, one of the best things about FH 4 is how lived-in and alive the world felt. Even a few years after release I was discovering new little houses or back-roads. Edinburgh felt so lifelike and even the open countryside felt full and rich with detail. A massive contrast to FH5, which feels empty and featureless. For me, that's where FH4 shines, more so than any other FH other than FH2
I think Mexico is just as feature filled, it’s just bigger so feels less full for some reason. But fh5 has so do many little nooks and crannies-more than fh4 in my opinion.
Let’s meet back here three years into fh6’s lifespan when we’re all griping about it and reminiscing about fh5’s map 😂
Fh3 had way more random houses, roads, and areas then fh4 had. Especially in Byron Bay and Surfers
That's crazy ... Colorado felt a lot more lively and what not.
I think we’re coming to the conclusion that - surprise surprise - this is a largely subjective topic :)
@@thesprawl2361 bro...
its literally less full, you just said it yourself lol
I was a really socially awkward kid before FH4 but its the awesome map exploration, meetups, and festival playlist grinds with online people really helped me get used to interacting with people and being myself, so I'm forever grateful to FH4 for that :) The Hospital Records OST also got me into DnB forever changing my music taste for the better. FH4 is one of my favorite games of all time 👍
Check out Chase and Status and High Contrast.
Which is odd to me and maybe it's just this generation of gamers... I'm slightly older (20s) and found voice chat to be WAY more prominent back in the late 2000's and early 2010s. Motorsport custom lobbies were near close to CoD with how busy the mics could be. You don't get that in any racing game today. I met many people on FM3/4 and GT5/6 - whereas for the past few years it seems people are mostly introvertive. That's actually why I have seen some people shift from console gaming to PC for sim racing. The community. People who don't like playing alone
sameee fh4 introduced me to dnb music
Away with me calibre remix
FH3 Hospital Records and Pulse introduced me to so much music and changed my tastes forever I will always love that game for that. Same as you I love DnB because of that station. At least in FH5 Hospital is still pretty good, shame the other stations aren't as good as they were in previous games.
A Moment Apart was our wedding reception intro as well, all because of Horizon 4 and my wife listening to me play hundreds of hours on this game!
That must of been so beautiful..
Oh that's awesome!
me n who
lmfao🤓
Horizon 4 is the absolute best. Winter was the best season and everyone complained so much that every season in FH5 is summer, trash. I have over 15 thousand hours in that game because the reply value was so high. FH5 is nowhere near as fun, I don’t even have 3000 hours in FH5.
Always loved forza horizon 4. My wife recently showed interest in playing (keeper) and now I get to experience my favorite racing game of all time with her with fresh eyes through her progression.
Been playing it a lot recently. So so much better than 5. I can spend hours driving around, cruising. There’s so much more “hidden” areas
Same here.
Lining up for 5 or 6 wide highway races with randoms was the best memories I have of this game and I loved it. Making it to the other side first in your own customized expression of a car had a fulfilling feeling and I learned to respect peoples styles if I lost in a way I didnt irl or in other racing games. It led to great conversation in dm's sharing ideas and learning tuning when a car beat you and you wanted to know what the player had done to it. FH4 is on the mount rushmore.
P.S. respect to everyone who didnt jsut pull out the S tier cars always when they lost.
When you lose the race so you break out the Unimog.
And you still lose but have a blast just ramming traffic out of the way.
Even better when they break out their Unimogs as well
@@nuclearcommando9729 I had the gigachad livery on my unimog 😂
While FH1 was the first Forza game I played, FH4 was the first game I shared with a friend who also liked cars as much as I do (my lil bro doesnt count lol). We spent SO much time racing that we were pretty 50/50 in most of our races. This game holds a special spot in my heart for all the good times.
This game has a very special place in my heart. I saved up for months to buy the edition that would come with FD cars but unfortunately had to use the money for another thing. Now I got it and have been playing it non-stop for the past month or so.
Fh4 for me really pulled it together. Great Britain may have felt quaint but for me it was aggressive and fast. The roads felt real and well traveled. The range of cars was second to none and a joy to look at as well as drive. I loved the seasons including the snow as it gave wonderful photo opportunities and a sense of challenge to one’s favourite routes. It felt natural. I’ve just returned to playing it after getting bored with FH5 and realised that I was never bored playing FH4 I only stopped as I felt I needed to upgrade to FH5. It’s good going back not through nostalgia but because it’s such a great game
I started with Fh4 and man it was such an awesome and masterpiece of a journey. There exist a special place in my heart for Fh4. The Spring season is the best I always keep taking neverending photos lol. Fh4 really is the best game for me and I'll keep playing it forever!! Recently I got Fh3 with dlcs for PC and it's looks nice as well.
Who’s watching this after the announcement of the delisting? :(
I'm watching this as I'm downloading it on my deck. FH5 just ain't it...
got it yesterday
I just bought the ultimate edition and waiting to download, at least the dlcs are still there
Why so sad little buddy? You can still purchase it and online support will still exist 😊
@@tuneboyz5634fr it's not like its gonna be wiped off the face of the earth or sum😂
People really didn’t like this game when it came out and now there’s a lot of nostalgic love for it. First Forza I played, and the central part of the map is based near where I live, so it was very influential for me and I love it! I think it will only be looked back on more fondly as time passes, I got bored of FH5 a lot quicker.
Yeah imo this was a good example of people not liking the "new thing" until becomes the "older thing." FH4 certainly caught some hate early on but now it seems like everyone I talk to remembers it so fondly.
@@HokiHoshipeople often say this about every game series and it’s really annoying conversation.
@@HokiHoshi it would help if new things launched fully functional and feature-complete without downgrading a bunch of stuff compared to the previous one.
until industry practices change every game, not just forza, will launch in a half-finished state and be worse than the previous one that's been updated and patched for years, but stuff like how horzion 5's online was at launch shouldn't be excusable.
i'm pretty confident in saying the people who hated snow were a different group of people than the ones who said they missed it in 5.
Nah I disagree. Fh2 and fh3 were the best. The sounds from fh2 and the map from fh3 that made me love em
I assure you once the new FH release. FH5 will be remembered fondly for its great additions and feature. It happens in every release.
Same happened with FH4, I remembered being hated back then.
I remember when FH3 release and some people are not a fan of the direction compared to FH1 & FH2. On how flat the map it, downgraded progression compared to part titles, HW DLC being bashed, etc. etc.
People are more vocal on the negative parts of the game when it is the current title.
Just want to say, nostalgia will always distort our views of these games, I can remember a time where the majority of the fanbase was in discontent with Forza Horizon 4.
Yup it’s amazing how many ppl complained about the snow and the map and praise these features over FH5
@@racdude01its always the negativity that is loud though. Its hard to tell how many people actually enjoyed that stuff, because they just did lol no reason to complain if youre enjoying it
I always loved the snow because I enjoy rally and road racing.
@@racdude01 People do not like change, least not at first. It's awkward, it's uncomfortable, because it's outside what you're used to, you have to break your usual habits and understandings and try to learn something new. I mean, look at Minecraft and it's player base, every update people complain about changes, yet go on to eventually appreciate the changes with time as those changes become more natural as they go from uncomfortable newness, to the status quo.
Plus people voice negativity more than positivity. Someone who's having an issue with their car will voice that, someone who's having no issues with the same make and model wouldn't have the need to say "I'm not having any problems." Thus it seems like there's more negativity and hate, than there is positivity and love.
I'm pretty sure I remember FH4 being better received by the fanbase than FH5. Personally, I played FH4 for years, but was bored of FH5 in a matter of weeks.
Winter was the best thing against cheaters (specially the ones with the Ingushetia flag). They where missing so many turns and checkpoints because of the speed they were going lmao.
I am a huge FH4 winter fan. Nothing feels cozier.
There's a certain feeling of nostalgia when thinking of FH4, at least for me. I've spent so much time drifting and racing, both online and offline. Not to mention how successful it was for Microsoft too. Love this game
The problem with the entire Horizon series is that they don't encourage you to memorize tracks (real racing). You almost have to use race lines and rewind to be competitive.
Just waiting to see how you are going to convince us of 5 being any good..
"Your mission, Jim, should you choose to accept it..."
Winter was really good in this game, if you installed snow tyres on your car, and used cars that could handle the snow well, like 4x4s, 4wd rally cars and so on.
Being from Sweden does make me biased towards winter and snow, and since 1999, you must equip your car with winter tyres in winter here in Sweden, so snow tyres is a very big thing in Sweden 👍
Ripping around the snow in an M4 GTS was my favorite. Nothing but the burble-pop of the exhaust and the crunch of snow under the wheels
Blizzard Mountain is way more fun than FH4 bland map covered in snow.
Snow physics is fun too if not for competitive, aston martin + snow + uk countryside most bri'ish experience
Fh3 actually had blizzards where you couldn't see and that was far better
Pros:
- Set where i live (i live literally 10 minutes from ashbrook irl, ashbrook is in D&G in Fh4)
-Memorable Map
-Nice sounds
-2018 (best year)
-Memories
Cons:
-Shit customisation
-Glitchy
- Ass damage model (basically every racing tho so..)
- invisible barriers
-indestructible trees
I remember back in 2018 going over to my friends house after he just got the game and we were playing it for the first time, it truly is a nostalgic game for many.
While I was personally not a fan of the week of winter every month, I miss the ability to have a full map of snow
I started playing Horizon 4 right around COVID, when I was living in my grandparents' basement with my cousin while my family was getting our new house ready. By that point, season rewards were unlocked at 80%, a lot of the features were already in the game, and there was a community with a solid foothold enjoying the game. It was honestly one of the best times of my life, hanging out with my cousin, driving cars, and exploring the game.
I had moved back to the US a couple of years prior after living abroad for 8 years and through high school, I hadn't really made many friends; certainly not to the same level as the ones I had left behind. Picking up the game and feeling like I had walked into a party in full swing was a great way to escape the real world and make some friends, even if that friendship only lasted the length of our drive around the map.
To paraphrase the current top comment, the world really did have more soul than Mexico. I'm not sure if it's down to how H5 has massive swaths of open land that you can see right across or just a lack of buildings, but everything in Britain felt much more dense. There was a lot to see and explore even in a small area, and the abundance of low rock walls and trees flanking almost every road seemed to make the map bigger. I get the same feel when driving in the jungle in H5, but it can't quite balance out the desert to bring that same experience back.
The seasons as well were always one of my favorite parts of H4 and I'm one of the people who enjoyed winter as much as or more than summer. I'd take out a tuned Subie, the S1 Quattro, my own Lola T70 tuned for winter, or just have some fun and try to keep a road/track car under control at full throttle. To me, Mexico's seasons just don't bring enough variation and it kind of feels the same every time I log in.
It may just be that I'm seeing it through rose-colored glasses, but despite the bias that nostalgia brings, Horizon 4 really is the best of the series. Granted, it was my first Forza title and I don't have first hand experience with the other games, but if nothing else, it was my personal favorite.
I bought Horizon 4 off ebay a couple months ago. It's perfect. I've watched a couple videos of Mexico in FH5... it looks desolate, empty and boring as can be.
Sunrise is by far the best FH music bar none. I struggle to keep myself from crying everytime. Even typing it on YT and seeing the first video got me bawling
FH4 is still probably my favorite; the map felt immersive. I also loved FH2 for that same reason.
Forza Horizon 4 was my first Forza and has had a special place in my heart. I live in northern England and holidayed often in amble side, the town on the north side of lake Windermere, and around the lake in general. It brings back memories of my family and my grandad whos no longer here, who I spent a lot of time with in the beautiful and scenic green country on these holidays. I think the game gets near to real life in the way that the rolling hills make you feel small and look never-ending as they dwarf your field of view. The driving on the winding roads you find up there (apart from the fact that they are far narrower) in contrast with the fast and straight motorways offer so much versatility in how you can drive. In addition to all the off roading that is possible there are so many ways in which you can experience the game. I love the setting and location but i might be a bit biased. I wonder what non-british people think about the location as i always find that northern England and Scotland to be a niche setting for a game and can't think of many games set there. Thanks for the video and hope you have a good one.
I bought FH4 off ebay a couple months ago and I absolutely LOVE the scenery- everything about all of it. I'm in Seattle and much of the game is like taking a drive up toward the Cascade Mountains.
They de-listed the game 2 days ago and nothing is missing for me. It's a great game if you want to visit a sunny forest or lakeside environment when, in real life, it is a massive downpour of rain.
I don't need the races (which are still there) or the Festival Playlist (which is gone). I like to just cruise at 150mph+ dodging traffic in my Ferrari 512tr with 700 HP or F40 with 634HP, drifting as I go. And the ability to drift in the dirt is really great, compared to Forza 7 (which is what I was used to).
I play Forza to drift at high speed and to explore the countryside (jumping the hills on the beach and going flying can be fun for a few minutes too).
I can't imagine why anyone would want to spend time in FH5 in Mexico, in comparison.
Idk if this is intentional or not but with these videos coming out monthly, FH5s should come out next month and then in June, it’s possible that FH6 might get announced, would be a cool ending to this series
For me it's like FH1, 2 and 3 tried to convince that you were in a real world, in a real festival. FH4 and 5 looks empty because you enter and have to do the playlist in that empty world. Breaks the illusion as a videogame.
fh4 looks empty cus your in the country side of scottland 😂 guess you dont like country cus its sooo empty in real life 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@youtubeisracistxmaybe the real world is so mysterious because unlike forza we can’t just smash and drift to most places in our travelable outcomes. Thusly the reason of “ I ain’t going in there my shoes are nice” is all it takes to create mystery
@@youtubeisracistxyeah just like the people who complain about fh5s map being boring it’s fkn Mexico that’d be like having one set in Death Valley and being like man it’s pretty lifeless and bland out here 😂
My worst gripe with this game was the car Sound that's was really it.
Yeah it's pretty bad especially compared to FH5, which I think the sound is actually a strong point for that game
true, still playing FH4 to this day
Wake me up when Hoki makes up his mind on which Forza Horizon is best.
I only just discovered FH4 when I finally upgraded to Xbox One last December...talk about behind the times. This game is a work of art
How's the car customization in 4? Want to play an open world racing game with in depth car building but don't know which one between Forza 4/5, Burnout Paradise, or one of the newer Need for Speed games?
@@Sevatar_VIIIth Based on the videos I've seen on here, FH 5 is ugly desolate and boring. I bought FH4 off ebay a couple months ago- it's fantastic. They did de-list it two days ago so the festival playlist is gone, but that makes no difference to me. That's not what I like about the game. I enjoy doing all the mods to increase horsepower, handling etc... choosing wheels, painting etc. You can adjust suspension settings, gear ratios, downforce from wings. You can increase tire diameter, width, track, reduce sidewall thickness, choose from stock, sport, race, rally rubber compound (and damper settings and ride height) etc... You can convert your car to AWD or put a V8 or V12 in it. Turbos, superchargers, etc...
All the same stuff you could do in Forza Motorsports 7.
FH4 is set in a beautiful forested area of Scotland with lakes, mountains, beaches, a waterfall, castles, churches, small towns, trains, and the city of Edinburgh to spend time exploring.
You can drift on the dirt forest roads or on the frozen lake in winter or on the beach where you can also jump off the sand dunes and go flying.
I like to explore while drifting at 150 MPH dodging the traffic in a 700 HP Ferrari 512tr or F40 or a 400 HP 288 GTO (painted blue of course). And the seasons change.
I highly recommend it.
I bought it off ebay for $8 plus $8 shipping... which was a very good deal.
God I miss snow. FH5 is such a lifeless map.
fh4 pre forzathon-liveshow car meetups was and still is one of the best things in online racing
4 is my favourite. A really good map. I maybe in a minority but the Lego expansion was superb. Doing the challenges and building the house kept me busy for months. I enjoyed that so much I reset the house and started it again.
Opening the video with the TR6 was an excellent choice.
I really enjoy cruising this map in unmodified old sports cars. They may be slow but they're definitely entertaining!
yeah. Trying to figure out, how I'm going to get the TR7. Any suggestions?
@@xman777b I think you get it from playing the Super 7. They give out rewards from ranking up Super 7 in Horizon Life, so you have to play a lot of them to get there. Or you could always try the auction house. I seem to remember all of the Triumphs being pretty hard to come by, as I've only got one of each, meanwhile having duplicate Ferraris etc. out the wazoo.
@@blisterbrain thanks brother. Yeah, TR8 is in my all-time Top 5 cars in real life. Need to get that TR7, as it's the closest we can get. Thanks for the good info. 👍
@@xman777b Anytime, fellow enthusiast! A TR8 would be sweet indeed.
Not all of the roads got covered in snow in fh4. Winter is personally my fouvrite season in forza. I love how roads get more slippery
"A game you can still purchase today"
Well, that's a good start...
For me, this is the one I hardly touched because:
I put loads of hours into the previous 3, ESPECIALLY FH3. This game didn’t differ to much from FH3 so I think I was just a bit burned out on the series at the time.
IIRC it came out roughly at the same time as RDR2 and BFV which was where I sunk most of my gaming time in that period.
I have been thinking of going back to it though, to give it a proper try. I lived in the UK for most of my life.
you missed out big time. FH4 glory days were some of the best
@@thomasjome I may go back to it as FH5 has been kinda „completed”
And enjoy the „new game” phase the most
One of my favourite and most played racing games... The season kept me looking forward to each week ... What new challenge i would get ... I would change setups buy cars ... That was what motivated me to keep playing even more
15:40 there's only one word for FH4's opening scene: tranquility
Best Goliath of the series. Feels like a proper old school race track with a perfect mix of technical sections and sweeping curves that dare you to go full send. I'm still improving my Rivals time on it to this day.
I really agree
Most TH-camrs and other people have fully opinionised that FH1 was the best
it was the best for me personally as it was my first and I just remember spending so many hours just driving around with my freinds and completing forzathon live with at least 10 people. Backstage passes were a brilliant feature and made it actually plausible for you to get rare cars, the DLC's were also good. Although not the largest Fortune island had some great roads and the treasure hunt offered an alternative way to make quite a few credits, also it was quite nice to have the uk and recognisable scenery enhanced by the seasons
I played the game right when it came out and had a lot of fun with it. Ever since I first drove into Edinburgh in-game, I knew it would be on my real-life bucket list. I was able to visit the city a year ago and it felt crazy; I truly felt like I had entered the game world! One opportunity the devs missed though was that Scotland's roads are ridiculously narrow. It may have brought some better racing if they keeped them like that in the game.
i still rly adore this game to this day and i’m so glad to see in the comments i’m not the only one who loves it the most out of any of the horizon games
for me horizon 4 was a game that i grew up with throughout high school. I remember first playing it on my xbox one non stop. I have a bias obviously, but the game did bring in life and allowed the ability to explore different options of play style (even if at times it did get overwhelming).
Now I moved over to PC and got the ultimate edition on sale and now can satisfy that kid part of me that wanted to play the DLC.
The most memorable moment from horizon 4 for me was the rough times in my life where I would just drive on the road and follow other players to de-stress my mind. This game has a community that made it feel alive and lived in.
FH4 nailed it for me. The setting, the seasons, the soundtrack even more than the other games, just brilliant. I keep coming back to this one despite owning FH5. I think this was my favourite one honestly.
I set up an SW20 MR2 on rally tires & race suspension specifically for winter. It made ripping around the map a total blast. I hope we get winter again in the next game. It made racing lower class cars and rally racing even more fun than any other season.
I absolutely loved winter in FH4, it looked beautiful and for me the slippery roads just made it more fun!
Loving these retrospectives. Each game had its moments that live on in my memory. Hoping that FH6 will continue the trend.
Who’d have thought it would turn out to be much loved?
I remember NOTHING but criticism for FH4. Literally nothing but. I loved it, although the car sounds were dreadful. But the snowy season, with the cool snowy roads in the northwest, is much missed for me. The handling on snow was unique, just unique, and the people who whined about it are the reason we can’t have nice things.
However, Blozzard mountain had much better handling. I was dissapointed with the shallow snow.
People suddenly think FH4 is good because FH5 is the new Low Point. Quite simply. FH4 was a step backwards, apart from the weather and the graphics. Nobody could have guessed that FH5 would take another step backwards...
@@TufteMotorsport The mountains had that wonderful deep-pile snow at the top though. You can't have that everywhere; it's undriveable, and the UK clears it when it gets on the roads so that the remaining snow is just the kind of snow that was on the roads in the game.
@@elkristof86 That would've been a reasonable compromise.
But it didn't bother me because even in winter it was still only half the map that had snow on it.
Too many gamers think the developers should give in to every demand they have, but when people want different things you have to compromise, and it's a shame people weren't able to see that compromise on snow was better than no snow at all.
@@benn87 It hasn't taken another step backwards. Every Horizon is better than the last; the reason people claim otherwise is mostly nostalgia. FH3 is one of the flattest, least characterful maps, but people pretend it's the highpoint. FH2's map is even more bland aside from Amalfi and a few other places.
FH4's map added a genuinely mountainous area, it added seasons, it was visually superior, had many more cars, better customisation, much much better live service features. We also got the Needle Climb in the DLC(less said about the Lego DLC the better), which drifters like me spent hours trying to master.
And FH5, aside from the lacking city, is better still. Vastly superior wheel support, much better visuals, hugely improved car sounds, many more widebodies and customisation features, anti-lag, two-step, hugely improved photo mode(finally), Event Lab being one of the best things ever added to any Forza game...
It's alright to fall out of love with a series: it's natural after playing it for a long time. But don't pretend that everyone agrees on this. And don't confuse that boredom with the game itself being worse than previous ones.
In a decade's time people will be raving about FH5's atmosphere and feel just like you're probably getting misty eyed about older Horizons.
The snow was so great. Maybe a bit biased growing up in a very snowy place but it was something just so different.
I honestly got more annoyed with rain as it would loose you just enough traction to make drift zones awkward. During the winter, everything was just so different that I didn't care and just had fun with it.
If there ever was a "Hot-take" this would be it.
The Winter season always gave me a slight nostalgic christmas feeling, thankfully I had great christmas childhood so I enjoyed it.
3:10 You only miss things when they’re no longer around, and by extension the same applies to people, so show ur fam/friends/significant other some love yall
Man I love Winter season in FH4, take MB or BMW with rear drive and just cruise down the road :D
When this video series ends, we need the same idea but with all the Forza expansions
Yeah. After spending a week in Edinburgh, I’m coming back to FH4 to help ease my Post-Scotland-Depression-Syndrome. Lovely country, and I wish I could stay there forever. The game really does a great job capturing little bite sized chunks of Scotland.
This game is a masterpiece. To this day the intro gives me chills. The map is beatiful the UI is beatiful. I never played this game online so I only saw the best of this game (imo), since I think singleplayer is not flawed really at all. Maybe thats just me though.
Winter was the best season. Rally racing was insanely fun, and honestly if your fast car wasn’t just a power build then the roads were no issue. Now all we get is a bit of snow on a volcano
I need to get back to this game and drive around in the LFA, something about this game makes it feel more a live than Horizon 5
I loved the winter season because it forced me to break away from my drag and track car tuning and made me focus on rally and off-road tunes. This game balanced everything for me perfectly.
One of the things I loved the most is that Edinburgh felt so familiar to me. I live in the US mid-south, a pretty temperate area pretty similar to what's displayed in-game, snow in the winter, stormy springs, the whole deal. Driving around the Edinburgh countryside just felt natural, whether I was cruising or hauling tail, it just felt right with the rolling hills, fields, and farms. I also do alot of quad riding in back country trails so taking one of the side by sides around the quarry area or anywhere else was, once again, a straight shot a nostalgia. I could never get tired of where I live (Except mosquitoes, ticks, and the humidity) or lived in feeling FH4's world. FH5 just feels so dead and unfamiliar, its no coincidence I spend most of my time in the northern canyon region of the map.
FH4 is still the game I play more than any other game, map was just so detailed. The country roads reminding me of roads around where I used to live when I first started driving. Loved winter. I can happily cruise around on here for hours. I’ll put on FH5 and be bored of the map within around 20 minutes. Wish they would increase garage space and livery space as maxed out both within the first couple of months of the games release.
FH1 and 2 will always hold a special place in my heart because I used to play them with my best friend in high school almost daily. He passed away right before FH4 came out and I played the hell out of it knowing that we would’ve been having so much fun on it together. I still play it and love it considerably more than FH5. 5 has a lot of good stuff going on don’t get me wrong but it doesn’t hit the soundtrack or the feeling quite like the other games did. As James May says, FH4 gave me the fizz just like 1 and 2 did and I’m grateful I got to play it in its prime. But I will say the Vipers sounded HORRENDOUS in that game
Honestly the map is still one of the best in the series! I like that it is a bit understated.
We just need something between FH4 and FH5 winter. FH4 always annoyed me when I wanted to tune road cars during winter. But only having snow at the top of the volcano in FH5 is a disappointment IMO. I guess it’s understandable for Mexico though
I think you should've talked about the drift road in treasure Island map. It was awesome and still full of players. On the other hand one downside of dh4 is bad online connection.
My favorite thing about FH4, coming from FH5, is winter. I love snowy roads. They're beautiful.
I loved the snow i go back on horizon 4 to drive in the snow when its winter
FH4 was my first forza and I think best. The seasons are the thing that makes it better than other FH´s. And driving in E class combi in winter is just so good
6 years later, and im finally gonna buy fh4!!
My friend group had an absolute blast with FH4 and the only reason why we ever stopped playing it was because we extremely overplayed it and then Warzone came out.
FH2 and FH4 were the best!
I was in middle school when FH2 came out and senior year high school when FH4 came out. Good times!
I liked 4, the biggest thing I would say that brought it down was the lego expansion. the racetrack it had *almost* being brooklands was cool, but how much cooler would it have been if it was just the real brooklands but fixed up in the digital world so we could drive it. The lack of a lot of british car culture was quite sad too, some genuinely great and important things missing that still exist in their little niches in the uk, and the fact that the company that made the game is british kinda removes a lot of excuses they may have.
And the roads are so wide that completely ruined the map, and the highlands is represented by 1 hill with 1 road that goes around it entirely. those are kind of important. you should feel like you are on the edge while driving british country roads, even in a stock hatchback, they are so narrow that a widebody aventador would fill the road entirely. imagine if they made a map in japan and the touge roads were 8 cars wide and didnt have hairpins or switchbacks? you might say "that defeats the entire appeal of the touges in japan", well thats the same thing with british country roads.
the final complaint is that the horizon story "british racing green" I think it was called? the purpose of which was to teach about the british car culture and some key cars in it, well, it just got a bunch of stuff blatantly wrong, which again, cant really be excused.
@@elkristof86 you say that, but I think it would cause a shift in racing. how boring is D class? C class? even B sometimes? you just cannot race them on most tracks because theyre so slow and the roads are so wide that every corner is flat out. im not saying all roads have to be so narrow you cant fit down them with some cars, but there needs to be enough and in the places that they should be so that yes, the morgan 3 wheeler is actually "pretty quick".
Remember the top gear lap where the caterham R500 beat the veyron? thats a thing. you cant use a 1500hp supercar everywhere and always be the fastest or have the most fun. It also would make driving those 1500hp supercars themselves more interesting because you would have to be conservative while driving a lot more, not just soaring through the map at 250mph+. The highway and similar "main roads" can be wider, but man, where are the country roads with danger lurking either side that gives you a rush to drive on...
I played FH5 first and when I came to FH4, it blew my mind so much I really questioned the fabric of space-time
I have played FH4 and FH5 online racing extensively. I did not finish both of their story/career mode as racing against bots bore me now. FH4's online racing is a LOT BETTER. They have pretty similar gameplay but the weather variations of FH4 were more common which made it more challenging thus more fun. Then the freeroam rush mode of FH4 which I don't get why they did not include it in FH5 anymore was a lot of fun!
One thing I really love that FH4 had, and you did mention it, but I wanna give my thoughts on it is the businesses. I really did like the idea and them combined with my weekly super wheel spins got me 140m. I definitely recommend getting 3 stars on all of the businesses, Most of the chapters are not that difficult if you know what your doing. Essentially, its like a automatic money farm. I wish they could return in FH5.
FH4 is my favourite by dint of the fact it was the first one I tried, it was based in the UK my home nation, was my first exposure to Xbox and it helped me get through the pandemic. I therefore had no preconceptions about the game, struggled initially with completing playlists but once I found a tuner that suited my driving style it became much easier! I've probably engaged with more game features in FH5 than FH4 but that is down to greater experience and confidence than anything else.
FH1,2,3 and 4 are for me,the best Forza Horizon Games.
I love the winter setting
I feel like fh3 was the best/most fun to me because I didn’t try to maximize everything, but be happy to grind for 1 or 2 cars then be good with it. From fh4 and now to fh5 it’s just so easy that within a couple of days I feel like I’ve done everything I’d wanted to do in the game(and may come back whenever there is a new cool car added)
Horizon 4 did it's online servers so much better than 5. You would open the map and find players across the whole thing. You saw where all the hotspots were in real time, and could drive there to find and join those players. It made the game feel populated, and it made it easy to find people at any time. Whatever server-hopping shenanigans they felt the need to add in 5 were totally unnecessary, not to mention they hardly even worked properly.
I've only played the first 3 and I can confirm that FH1 is the best horizon game
I live in a place that this map features so of course i love it! I also think it has the most technical roads. Doesnt carry the wow factor that 3 did but its still my favourite or a close battle with 2... winter can be a struggle sometimes
FH4 is my favorite by a long run, i just so much love the map. I dont know why but i just do, i just feel like in big Top Gear sandbox when playing, and i still do to this date!
FH4 is not my fovorite horizon to play, but it is my favorite game in the series. I lived in another country for most of the game's life and playing online was how i stayed connected with my dad and friends back home.
i can’t lie, i never knew about the festival playlist but i played a lot 😭
4's Hospital Records soundtrack is elite, and the entire game is genuinely fun.
FH4 feels like... home. The rainy evenings 🤌 and the art direction 🤌🤌
The car sounds though💀
I feel like even though FH5's graphics are technically more advanced, FH4's world is just so much prettier to look at and feels more realistic to me
lol i hear songs from Horizon Pulse on the grocery store playlist, instantly think of driving in horizon 4 lol
Three things I wish you'd commented on:
1. Open Progression
2. Mixer
3. LaRacer
1. Open Progression - I know a lot of people consider FH4 to have the weakest progression model in the series, but I love how open it is, and I love the idea of being able to do more than just race in order to progress and level up. Even with FH4, I was irritated that Playground Games still couldn't manage to not make everyone in the game a car nut, but FH4 was close enough to at least giving people the option to focus on other aspects of driving/racing to further incentivize engaging with those aspects of the series.
2. Mixer - Progression-related, I know, but I really wish you'd mentioned Mixer, even if only as a brief joke. I really don't think I have the heart to obliterate my FH4 save file to start from scratch, as much as I love FH4, as I don't want to see the gaping hole where Mixer would exist. The 24/7 influence streams helped to build out the community a bit more, in my opinion, and I wish Microsoft had not only stuck with Mixer but also built similar functions into other games series.
3. LaRacer - I know you mentioned stories from a business perspective, but LaRacer was one of my favorite aspects of FH4. Prior to experiencing the LaRacer story and despite already being a huge FH fan, I still came into FH4 with the viewpoint that the driving/racing games scene was just this thing that still paled in comparison to what other genres offered. I know a lot of people found LaRacer to be annoying, but I found her to be sort of an amalgam of the Playground Games team members' personal accounts and memories of their gaming careers, and I came to understand why people could feel every bit as nostalgic about a driving/racing game as I was about some of the games that shaped my own preferences in gaming. I recall 2-3 of these LaRacer segments even causing me to get a bit misty-eyed, which was probably a first for a racing game. (FH5's initial drive also got me.)
Anyway, great video. As someone who was initially really put off by winter, I have to say that I came to really appreciate winter due to FH4's open progression system. I hate how people obsess over times and ranks and whatnot, and I think Playground Games should've simply incentivized playing in every season by keeping seasons separate from one another for leaderboard purposes and encouraging people to find ways to exploit different paths and vehicles to compete better in winter. It's easy to forget FH5 even has seasons, and it's almost criminal how much of a backseat snow has taken in FH5.
100% agree about LaRacer. It does feel like the byproduct of a conversation that sparked up among employees in the break room over a cup of tea, talking about the first racing game that really hooked them into car culture and racing. And like you, it gave me some pause for reflection on the first time I ever put the Japanese Import of Gran Turismo into my PS1 and hit the power button.
LaRacer was the right amount of nostalgia, blended with the right amount of respect as it paid homage to other racing games that came before Forza.
And let's be honest, one of the best auto phrases in the game was "Game Over YEAAAHHHHH!" 🤣
@@bigbuckoramma Haha. For sure. What's funny about Sega's presence in the LaRacer story (3 or 4 out of the 10 slots, I think) is that I'm a huge Sega fan, and even I hadn't realized that Crazy Taxi had found its way into the FH series because of those jumps. LaRacer opened my eyes. Haha.
FH4 was the place where I was top 10 in drag racing. Not in the leader board, from real drag strip 1/4 mile with someone running tail lights to signal GO. Someone always had an alt that had a summer season locked for the week where it was winter. Good times. Drag racing was my shit and I had some fast ass cars. Second cage Chevy nova and second cage fox always put in that work and had people floored with highway wheelies from a dig.
i agree this is the best forza horizon because its not boring *looking at you mexico* and it has alot of fun things to do in a closer space *unlike mexico* and it has a very good city (Edinburgh) *also unlike mexico's guanahato*
fh4 was my first xbox game, my first horizon game, and my favorite car game yet.
my and my friends played so much of this together, in my opinion forza horizon peaked here
Definitely my most played Horizon! I was playing it daily between FH3 and FH5. I couldn't even finish FH5 campaign, harsh to say but it felt like an FH4 DLC...
this is obviously biased but I think I speak on behalf of the uk gamers, A massive charm of the game is just the setting. The Uk in general but particularly modern uk is almost never seen in games. Infact i cant think of any apart from fh4. Driving around places iv actually been and driving roads and motorways that feel like real life is astonishing
FH4 with FH5 n FH3 car list would be sick i would also like a highway like FH2 maybe call it Horizon Remastered