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It is a valid argument. Maybe it would be more accurate to say Visbys are the real "...counterbalance against the Russian Baltic Fleet" as the surface ship
@@WeaponDetective I did miss the mention of Swedish submarines in the video, maybe because they are that stealthy? ;) But yeah,, while subs are designed to sink ships, the corvettes seems more multi role. so they will probably have a lot of other tasks to do. such as laying mines and engaging smaller boats. Well,, so I think anyway, i'm not an expert. ;)
@@lordsqueak Swedish submarines are usually equipped with TWO sets, different bores, of torpedo tubes. One type is used for minelaying. Swedish subs are generally multi-taskers.... Elint, special forces insertion, anti-submarine warfare, etc...
@@lordsqueak The smaller diameter tubes are for anti submarine torpedos. The larger once are for surface ship torpedoes. Mines are usually carried externally on a “mine belt” so that they can be deployed in the sea from a submerged position.
Kan inte säga det bättre. Dubbla antalet fartyg. Fler Fygplan och några ubåtar till. Sverige har extremt bra försvar. Vi har dock inte tillräckligt mycket av det.
@@martinlund9524 Sverige har bra försvar? Sen när? Saknas precis allt och de få soldaterna verkar vara där för Instagram, lek o lite äventyr. Det är min uppfattning om vad jag har sett. Problemet med allierade är att de aldrig kritiserar andras försvar och resurser, utan det verkar höra till att ge en positiv respons oberoende verkligheten och det ger då en farlig missuppfattning om egna försvaret. Sverige skulle kunna försvara Stockholm några dagar efter fientlig landstigning och sedan ge upp för att spara på den "vackra" staden, som fransmännen gjorde med Paris under andra världskriget. I krig så behövs det massor av stridslystna soldater, spelar ingen roll hur modern krigsutrustning man har om man bara har några tusen lekfulla soldater.
@@martinlund9524 Sweden is running 3 programs simultaneously right new, the new generation Visby upgrades, new submarines, and a new ship if I remember correctly yes?
Sweden's contribution to NATO should be its fleet, coastal forces and air-force and should the priority to strengthen in the coming years. The Swedish army might be lacklustre but we don't need as strong an army when part of NATO. Sweden is still a small country and should provide what they are best at and that would be to project power into the Baltic sea and air domain. A combination of a few more upgraded Visby and a few more submarines and an expanded air-force to at least 120 JAS and some more dedicated air reconnaissance planes and helicopters would make Sweden a good partner for the other countries in the Baltic sea. Sweden should leave the ground forces to other countries in terms of strength. In terms of army it should probably be the Northern area that should be strengthened the most so Sweden can support in the North with Finland and Norway if a conflict with Russia would ever happen. The risk of invasion from the sea on the Swedish mainland should be next to no chance of happening with a strong Navy and Air-force. Protection of the Baltic states on the ground should be given to other countries who can provide that security allot better than Sweden can.
You know, in the event of an actual war, I believe that Sweden's hundred or so CB90 class patrol vessels are going to have more of an impact. Their small size makes them adept at inserting specialist commando teams, and they can also carry a Hellfire missile launcher, which can provide good ATGM coverage as well as short range anti ship capability, and their small size combined with Russia's inadequate multirole aircraft fleet also make the little boats hard to kill.
You often hear that the top speed of the Visby Class is 40 knots. However, a few years back I was visiting friends in the archepilagio of stockholm and we had heard that its sister ship, HSwMS Helsingborg was in the neighbourhood so we set out in my friends boat to try to get a glimpse of it. We found her steaming out to sea at what we only can assume was all ahead flank. Now, my friends boat can do 55-58 knots in calm seas. We held a steady speed of around 50 knots and we couldn’t catch up with it. After almost an hour we decided to give up an returned. It is a SERIOUSLY fast ship.
The Swedish Navy had a huge exercise a few years ago where i live, and HMS Härnösand docked were i work. So i got a quite basic tour onboard, didn't see much at all because it was classified, but i cannot and will not say anything else other then: She is OUTSTANDINGLY BEAUTIFUL AND DEADLY IN SILENCE!!!! I also had the most enjoyable time with her land and marine defense units, and if i may say, anyone trying to attack from land or sea..... Good luck and i hope you have the best life insurance money can buy!
Again an excellently accurate story on this ship and its background. At a point the Visby was the world's most expensive 57 mm cannon. Its improving however with much required armament updates to live up to its original intended design as a result of the current geopolitics.
Great and informative video! *A request:* Can you do a video about the mythical Swedish submarine with Sterling engines that blew the mind of the US Navy during exercise?
I live in the Stockholm archipelago and c them on a regular basis. They are faster then 35knots. My boat does 45knots and l cant catch upp to the Visby at times.
Good looking ships but severely underarmed , i don't understand investing in beautiful ships like this only to tie one hand behind their back . Love the fact they are composite build tho , really cool .
The honest reason is because in the early 2000s the swedish parliament did not see much reason to invest in defence projects because of the fall of the USSR. As time passed and We have seen the aggression Rise in the east again, a lot of new money is going to the defence department again. The corvettes are better equipped today.
Excellent video as always. But, the Baltic Fleet isn't just fighting the Visbys if Russia dares to attack Finland and Sweden. Also faces a massive NATO fleet
@@neonpowar3766 There's already cooperation between Denmark and Sweden. Danish Iver Huitfeld class frigates working together with Visby corvettes and Gotland submarines. They just escorted a Danish transport ship with vehicles for a Danish army company group, operating in Estonia. Both nations are part of the JEF military cooperation(British lead).
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There have been great changes in the definitions of frigates and corvettes over time. Currently, the frigate is an open-sea combat and escort ship. Some frigates have even area-air defence capability. The Corvettes mostly serve under the umbrella of the air force in coastal waters. Due to the traditional definition, the corvettes are smaller than the frigates. Today, they are between 500 and 2500 tons. But, there are also frigates below this tonnage limit. It's hard to talk about the best corvette. Different countries have the best corvettes for their needs. Our favourite, though, is Sa'ar 6.
Originally the plan was for 24 YS2000 with half focusing on surface combat and half on ASW. Visby is getting new stackable torpedo tubes doubling the number of of potential tubes to 8
Croatia is a country in good standing, fellow EU member and NATO member. I don't think Sweden would have any qualms about selling you one. Especially now that the war in Ukraine has happened.
I guess the priority for Sweden is buying a bunch of RBS 15 mark IV missiles rather than additional corvettes. With the 300 km range of the Gungnir, most of the Baltic sea will be in range from the Swedish coast and Gotland island. Also, if deterring the Russians from venturing into Swedish waters, perhaps adding more A26 subs to the fleet instead would be the better choice of vessel?
Visby, as engineered, is a brilliant ship but also a perfect example of the incompetence of Swedish politicians, ant to some extent FMV. Ideas like saving money by underdimensioning the helo facilities, and then having to buy custom helicopters to Swedish requirements, at costs many times higher than buying COTS. Also, planning for (small) helicopters and then scrapping the idea, leaving an empty hangar. Not to mention the costs incurred by all the delays in decisions on AA etc.
I am really amazed why those navy ships are so big and need so many people on them. It seems very stupid. In WW2 having 1000 people on a battleship, that's insane. I get technology was different back then. But really if you have a boat, you sail around, you operate a radar, you shoot rockets, how many people do you really need for that? One person steering, one navigating, one manning the radar, one operating the weapons, one doing communications, one doing electronic warfare, and a captain. That's it! Once you have things like a mess, a gym, cleaning crew, repair crews, engine crews, helicopter crews, things get completely out of hand. They should keep these ships small and lean.
The Visby class, while interesting and intriguing, is nothing more than a "harassing" vessel. It's anti-ship missiles are its most potent asset but by newer standards it's not the threat it used to be. The radar profile is outstanding and goes a long way to defeating the "kill chain" and given Sweden's past, the Visby was the right vessel...not too threatening to cause the Russians to attack, yet potent enough to discourage small "adventures" from hostiles. But let's not kid ourselves, the Visby is a Corvette, it's a Coastal ship and it is lightly armed and armored, It's fast and stealthy but modern naval warfare requires very advanced radar suites and strong air defense measures...ask the Russians, they'll tell you all about it.
We have a lot of coast and archipelagos. You have to get through that to get to Stockholm. We also have the amphibious troops, you never know where they are :)
The Philippines is a blue water nation I think Visby will perform well for. It is designed for archipelago warfare. But I am happy if you get anything that prevents your fishermen from being bullied by the Chinese.
Depends on what you want to do with the corvettes. The K130 has better air defense/CIWS with its two RIM-116 launchers carrying 42 missiles, a larger main gun (76mm instead of the 57mm, giving it the potential to use longer range ammunition) and longer endurance (7.400km instead of the 4.600km of Visby) The K130 also has an integrated hangar for two Skeldar V-200 helicopter UAVs. In the end it depends on your requirements which one is better for you.
I agree ! However given what they need right now the visby would be better ! That threat of russia was always there ! It was simply ignored for the longest of time in favor of more stabelizing missions abroad ! Which is fine as long as you do your homework! If anything they would have needed both with the K 130 as an after thought!
@@HingerlAlois K130 is again under armed for its size. A recurring theme for German Surface ships. the sa'ar 6 has 32 VLS, a similar amount of RAM analogue missiles and 16! Antiship missiles.
You have to take a notion that if Sweden gets attacked theres Finland which would help. Hamina class missile boats are also stealthy and better armed. Russian Baltic fleet would not stand a chance against those two countries.
If I remember correctly the 57mm allows for more explosive payload delivered per second, while having enough destructive capability to effectively penetrate any modern warship.
For surface attack, the main weapon is RBS 15 anti-ship missiles. The 57 mm is really effective for smaller and fast boats though, and not to mention it's an extremely effective anti-air gun (and that's the main purpose of it on these, i guess).
Effective for what purpouse? This is not a ship that would go in to a gun battle with another war ship. If the target is important enough, you launch a missile or torpedo. The 57mm is adequate for light targets. We'll, that's the reasoning anyway.
@@jeffi854 I am in full agreement with you. The U.S. Navy would need to make some minor modifications to suit their specific needs (I personally think they should modify it to carry 12 anti ship missiles instead of 8, and the U.S. Navy would probably use the NSM missile instead of the RBS-15 since they are already using it and have it in their inventory). I also think it would be a good idea to add 8 Mk41 VLS cells to equip the vessel with the VL-ASROC anti submarine rockets, which themselves are desperately in need of an upgrade in range from 12 nmi to 75 or even 100 nmi, which would make this ship an absolutely lethal submarine hunter. I think they should also equip it with the maritime launched version of the hellfire missile that they developed for the LCS ships. This would protect it from small naval drones of the type currently being used in Ukraine that are wreaking havoc on the Russian navy. It wouldn’t hurt to equip it with a naval version of the NASAMS for air defense as well. These modifications would of course increase the cost, but you’d have a small, inexpensive warship (compared to an Arleigh Burke Destroyer) that would be very well armed and could go toe-to-toe with any warship in the world. It would sit perfectly with the US Navy’s “distributed lethality” concept.
I don't think any nordic country needs bigger ships than corvettes that are based in the Baltic. Norway/Denmark might need Frigates for their Atlantic fleets tho. Visby Class will be sweet with the new upgrades, just a few more of them and more subs than the already ordered will be fine. Upgrade some SB90 with some more strike power seems very good too.
@Benkt Löfgren "Norway/Denmark might need Frigates for their Atlantic fleets tho"? Norway operates four heavy frigates/destroyers of the 'Fridtjof Nansen' class. These are vessels of more than 5,000 tonnes displacement, equipped with the AEGIS combat system which means that they have area air defence capability. Norway also operates six 'Ula' class submarines. The three Nordkapp class ships of the Norwegian Coastguard could be considered as secondary frigates. Their replacements will be larger and more capable, with the ability to operate two helicopters. Denmark operates three 'Iver Huitfeldt' class air defence frigates, and two Absalon class hybrid frigate/transports. The Danish navy also has six large, very capable, offshore patrol vessels/frigates, with one more building.
Lol The Russian armed forces can't even beat a small army that's using older versions of their own damn equipment. They wouldn't stand a shadow of a chance versus an army like Sweden's.
@@tylerdurden4006 Despite the vast difference in size and equipment quality between the Ukranian and Russian army the invasion is 23 days old now and Russia only managed to advance 150-200 kilometers into Ukraine. The US would've been drinking tea in Kiev on day 3. Go back to your troll farm little Russian propaganda troll.
Ukrainian 'small' army definitely one of the largest in Europe. And with a real combat experience, though limited to trench warfare. I don't remember Sweden army having any fighting experience last 20 years
@@user-yj8vj3sq6j i guess he ment small compared to that of russia. But ukranian soldiers seems to be really good at defending their land. it ain't the size of the ocean, it's the ocean in motion. Swedens fighting experience lately is limited to events during missions abroad. But who knows what might come.
@@user-yj8vj3sq6j The Visby Class Generation II has some anti-air capabilities, but I think the main advantage would be that a Visby Class corvette requires less than 50 crew to operate and is relatively cheap to operate compared to British frigates or American destroyers and the Gotland class submarine is relatively affordable and can fielded in large numbers by a small navy. I think the Swedish Jas Gripen E/F would also be suitable for the Taiwanese air force as it is designed to be maintained by a relatively inexperienced crew of conscripts with only the pilot having to be fully trained. Essentially, the Swedish designed their equipment to be easily operated by an army of conscripts supporting a small core group of professional soldiers which fits Taiwan's situation perfectly.
It strikes me that (due to the war in Ukraine) Sweden may well be willing to sell them to Taiwan. RBS 15 Gungnir might also be useful. Advanced naval mines are available too.
Well, between Taiwan and China, there is mostly open sea, Visby excels in Archipelago warfare when it can minimize the chance of detection by hiding behind islands with its stealth capabilities.
Before the invasion of Ukraine: "we need Visby class corvette to deter Russian!" After the invasion of Ukraine: "HA..HA..HA..HA, there is nothing to deter, lets save some money and scrap Visby"
a cross oceanic capable Visby class would be worth it . . . let's say, a fleet of five brand new Visby II class e-FuelCell2^ i-HYBRId® IEP^ powered 2,690 ton (3,200 ton loaded) stealth guided missile multi mission ASW corvettes will redefine this fine Scandinavian navy to a level on par with Italy, Great Britain & France . . . because the Cold War era is back . . . the newer Visby II class e-FuelCell2^ i-HYBRId® IEP^ powered 2,690 ton (3,200 ton loaded) stealth guided missile multi mission ASW corvettes will be armed with RGM-109E Tomahawk (Block IV) inertial guided land attack cruise missile (canister type boxed launcher) & two 400 mm SAAB TP45 LWT triple tubed torpedo launchers on either port & starboard far side . . . it'll also be armed with two 25 MM GAU-12/U (6-barrel rotary gun) Phalanx (Block VI) CIWS & one SeaRAM® SAM system . . . the Visby II class e-FuelCell2^ i-HYBRId® IEP^ powered 2,690 ton (3,200 ton loaded) stealth guided missile multi mission ASW corvettes will also feature a full size aircraft hangar & helipad in rear most stern section of the main deck that will be big enough to accommodate two naval surface ship borne MH-60R Sea Hawk (Block 30) maritime multi role ASW helos . . .
@@thelin9061 What did WWII teach us? Boats are a sitting ducks to aircraft. And these ships have literally no AA. We have a minimal air force, and now we need to put a quarter of that on just protecting these ships during war. They don't only have no teeth, they literally diminish our capabilities on other fronts.
@@Mornomgir And that is before the last increase with was also the biggest ever. It either shows that Sweden is investing heavily, or that the previous levels were non existent. To me it's clear it's the latter. When will we reach 2% of GDP? Within a decade. A decade... It's a joke. Just like with Denmark's goals.
Hopefully they will updated those now that Russia has proven... troublesome. However, it will be insufficient. They'll need frigates and destroyers as well.
and how in heavens name would you find suicide candidates to board large stationary targets like frigates and destroyers in the modern Baltic context..... (but agree that the SAM upgrade will be a significant improvement for Visby to be able to provide area-defence )
We want small fast and nimble. No need for frigates or destroyers in the Baltic, Skagerrak or Kattegatt. They'd just be targets so it'd make more sense to just get more corvettes, subs or planes.
At 8:48 it not a visby corvet firering its a CV 90 AND !!!!!!??????? Where are you getting your information from ??? OMG!!! You weren't even close to right when it comes to the number of missiles and the gun ammuniton on board. Not even a little close !!
We mentioned the 40mm 3P rounds at that part. So, it is just the 3P round's firing scene. Is there a difference between whether 3P ammunition is fired from the CV90 or the Visby? Also, if we are wrong, we glad to know the true amount. Please share with us the actual number of missiles and the gun ammunition on board.
So considering the Russian performance in Ukraine, I honestly think we over invested in the Visby corvettes. Apparently all we need are some dudes on islands and perhaps a dingy or two. And if that doesnt work, send the Finns on them
I agree with you, BUT! A big BUT, you can never invest to much in defence, I mean that is so crucial to the protection of our democracy. So I actually rather invest to much in case something happens than to little. Better safe than sorry.
@@G0TIMAN no troll. He didnt talk about Snake Island. Well jokes aside. The Russian fleet and Kalinigrad is a threat. Our airforce, navy, and intel (ligence) is our best chance. Not even mention baltic and n.a.t.o support
Sounds like its more of a coastal patrol craft than a major surface combatant. Against a major surface vessel of the Russian Navy, this little vessel wouldn't last long.
through private sector equity participation in future defense acquisitions the Swedish Air Force can acquire a fleet of 83 - 89 additional brand new SAAB JAS-39E GRIPEN multi role interdictor strike fighter without having to break the bank . . . because SAF sure does need more multi role fighters, even opt for multi role fighters from France & the U.S. . . for e.g. the Dassault Rafale F4-R multi role interdictor strike fighter & F-15EX Strike Eagle II multi role fighter . . . even the Indian made HAL Tejas Mk2A light multi role fighter for that matter . . .
Sorry but you will have to review your copy. France is 180 ships with 420,000 tons Great Britain is 88 ships with 190,000 tons and Sweden is around thirty ships at most with a tonnage of less than 67,000 tons So without wanting to be unpleasant. as we say back home: Il y a du travail à faire. When in Tejas, I know well that it is an Indian pride. But let's be serious two minutes he is far from Western standards at the moment. After for a first locally manufactured aircraft it is undoubtedly a real success.
@@olivierpuyou3621 No It's fine, I actually don't know either but Sweden is where I'm from and well... I most likely overestimated it too. It wouldn't surprise me if the tonnage was closer to 10 000.
Getting other aircraft types is out of the question unless switching over to that type entirely. Maintenance- and logistics organisation wouldn't allow it, already had to cannibalise aircraft on several occasions to get spare parts for the flying ones, and workshops are at capacity :-/
This ship is ugly, I miss the normal, classic ship designs. This is also the S.S. don't get to close or you'll see the plywood. The Europeans were the first to go into a mode of relaxing and believing that the Russian threat had just magically disappeared. I would have no doubt that the designers are hard at work right now getting something ready that can actually fight and do real damage.
Armoured ships aren't made anymore, since the naval weaponry rendered it all but useless. Reason the Visby is ugly is that stealth (radar and IR) was considered more important than looks. Main issue with the lack of teeth is political, where the various governments simply did not see any reason to spend money getting the planned weapon systems in place. See "Genomförandegruppen" on Wikipedia. With the attitude finally changed, I expect the Visby upgrades (and a lot of other cancelled/mothballed purchases) to get pushed through in short order. The biggest hurdle atm is the lack of trained staff, as someone has to teach the teachers to allow the needed expansion, and as a brigade commander or ship commander taken from the street takes 8-10 years to become fully competent, the lead times is what slows the process down.
I think sweden needs to focus in internal issues first, they are a far greater existenstial threat to sweden. Increased crime, islamification, death of its culture etc etc....
now it is Clear to me ukranians are whiter than georgians , probabbly scandinavians are even whiter hence russia will face even more hArsh condemnations due to any aggression in scand.. But definitelly will be sad to watch her sinking.
@@haisulful8245 no no War crimes are the same, syria; east turkistan; palastine; grozni; bosnia; albania; afganistan; iraq; georgia and ukraine and many more in africa asia america, but Responses are biased.
@@yarmud sure... people care more when it happens close to them and when the people share the commong culture and values. It also helps that this time the refugees are women and children. When people come from middle east it's just young men.
@@haisulful8245 you have a point unless you are the perpetrator of the 'other' issue. Cameron, Bush, Obama...are all War criminals even make Putin look smaller in size of 'colateral damage'. Plus woman and children were not able to jump over barbed wires and cross thousand Miles for you to see them.
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I really love the looks of thise ships They are so nice. Love from Finland.
The Finnish Hamina class is nice too, packs a real good punch for its size.
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I would argue that Sweden's submarines are the real "...counterbalance against the Russian Baltic Fleet"....
It is a valid argument. Maybe it would be more accurate to say Visbys are the real "...counterbalance against the Russian Baltic Fleet" as the surface ship
@@WeaponDetective I did miss the mention of Swedish submarines in the video, maybe because they are that stealthy? ;)
But yeah,, while subs are designed to sink ships, the corvettes seems more multi role. so they will probably have a lot of other tasks to do. such as laying mines and engaging smaller boats.
Well,, so I think anyway, i'm not an expert. ;)
@@lordsqueak
Swedish submarines are usually equipped with TWO sets, different bores, of torpedo tubes. One type is used for minelaying.
Swedish subs are generally multi-taskers....
Elint, special forces insertion, anti-submarine warfare, etc...
@@gloin10 Ah, of course,, I didn't think of that.
@@lordsqueak
The smaller diameter tubes are for anti submarine torpedos.
The larger once are for surface ship torpedoes.
Mines are usually carried externally on a “mine belt” so that they can be deployed in the sea from a submerged position.
We should at least double this fleet, and upgrade all of them to latest standard and weaponry, such as anti-air defence capability.
Kan inte säga det bättre. Dubbla antalet fartyg. Fler Fygplan och några ubåtar till.
Sverige har extremt bra försvar. Vi har dock inte tillräckligt mycket av det.
@@martinlund9524 Sverige har bra försvar? Sen när? Saknas precis allt och de få soldaterna verkar vara där för Instagram, lek o lite äventyr. Det är min uppfattning om vad jag har sett. Problemet med allierade är att de aldrig kritiserar andras försvar och resurser, utan det verkar höra till att ge en positiv respons oberoende verkligheten och det ger då en farlig missuppfattning om egna försvaret. Sverige skulle kunna försvara Stockholm några dagar efter fientlig landstigning och sedan ge upp för att spara på den "vackra" staden, som fransmännen gjorde med Paris under andra världskriget. I krig så behövs det massor av stridslystna soldater, spelar ingen roll hur modern krigsutrustning man har om man bara har några tusen lekfulla soldater.
@@martinlund9524 Sweden is running 3 programs simultaneously right new, the new generation Visby upgrades, new submarines, and a new ship if I remember correctly yes?
Sweden's contribution to NATO should be its fleet, coastal forces and air-force and should the priority to strengthen in the coming years. The Swedish army might be lacklustre but we don't need as strong an army when part of NATO. Sweden is still a small country and should provide what they are best at and that would be to project power into the Baltic sea and air domain.
A combination of a few more upgraded Visby and a few more submarines and an expanded air-force to at least 120 JAS and some more dedicated air reconnaissance planes and helicopters would make Sweden a good partner for the other countries in the Baltic sea. Sweden should leave the ground forces to other countries in terms of strength. In terms of army it should probably be the Northern area that should be strengthened the most so Sweden can support in the North with Finland and Norway if a conflict with Russia would ever happen.
The risk of invasion from the sea on the Swedish mainland should be next to no chance of happening with a strong Navy and Air-force. Protection of the Baltic states on the ground should be given to other countries who can provide that security allot better than Sweden can.
You know, in the event of an actual war, I believe that Sweden's hundred or so CB90 class patrol vessels are going to have more of an impact. Their small size makes them adept at inserting specialist commando teams, and they can also carry a Hellfire missile launcher, which can provide good ATGM coverage as well as short range anti ship capability, and their small size combined with Russia's inadequate multirole aircraft fleet also make the little boats hard to kill.
You often hear that the top speed of the Visby Class is 40 knots.
However, a few years back I was visiting friends in the archepilagio of
stockholm and we had heard that its sister ship, HSwMS Helsingborg was
in the neighbourhood so we set out in my friends boat to try to get a
glimpse of it. We found her steaming out to sea at what we only can
assume was all ahead flank. Now, my friends boat can do 55-58 knots in
calm seas. We held a steady speed of around 50 knots and we couldn’t
catch up with it. After almost an hour we decided to give up an
returned. It is a SERIOUSLY fast ship.
The Swedish Navy had a huge exercise a few years ago where i live, and HMS Härnösand docked were i work. So i got a quite basic tour onboard, didn't see much at all because it was classified, but i cannot and will not say anything else other then: She is OUTSTANDINGLY BEAUTIFUL AND DEADLY IN SILENCE!!!! I also had the most enjoyable time with her land and marine defense units, and if i may say, anyone trying to attack from land or sea..... Good luck and i hope you have the best life insurance money can buy!
Sweden doesn't have a defense anymore
Again an excellently accurate story on this ship and its background. At a point the Visby was the world's most expensive 57 mm cannon. Its improving however with much required armament updates to live up to its original intended design as a result of the current geopolitics.
Watching your videos from Turkey, they are very good and informative. Thanks.
Great video as always mate. Always nice to see Scandinavian weapon development. Any chance of doing a video on the Norrköping-class missile boats?
Thanks for your interest, good comment. We have added the Norrköping-class on our list
And on the topic of Scandinavia, maybe also adding the Danish Iver Huitfeldt class frigates to the list to cover?
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Great and informative video!
*A request:* Can you do a video about the mythical Swedish submarine with Sterling engines that blew the mind of the US Navy during exercise?
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I just love how cool it looks :D
What a great video!!
Excellent presentation...clear statement of capability and desired enhancemens.
Thanks for the superb assessment!
Excellent video
Great vid as always.
I live in the Stockholm archipelago and c them on a regular basis.
They are faster then 35knots. My boat does 45knots and l cant catch upp to the Visby at times.
It always stuns me that one of the most peaceful/neutral countries has such a thriving domestic arms industry that is very advanced.
“Si vis pacem, para bellum”
Looks like a GREAT ship something the UK could do with in it's navy if the UK was not in so much debt. Thank you for the video.
Since you make great detailed videos, please make one about SAAB RBS15 anti ship missile 😀
Yeah. I would love to see that
Good looking ships but severely underarmed , i don't understand investing in beautiful ships like this only to tie one hand behind their back . Love the fact they are composite build tho , really cool .
The honest reason is because in the early 2000s the swedish parliament did not see much reason to invest in defence projects because of the fall of the USSR. As time passed and We have seen the aggression Rise in the east again, a lot of new money is going to the defence department again. The corvettes are better equipped today.
You'd need slightly different quantities of them to have actual control :-/
It has a stjärngosse-hat.
Those ships looks awesome even today!
Excellent video as always. But, the Baltic Fleet isn't just fighting the Visbys if Russia dares to attack Finland and Sweden. Also faces a massive NATO fleet
@@neonpowar3766 Yes, but, most probably NATO will defend them.
@@habahan4257 russia and NATO will attack china, ukraine is more than enough for russia. scandinavia is out of discussion.
@@neonpowar3766 There's already cooperation between Denmark and Sweden. Danish Iver Huitfeld class frigates working together with Visby corvettes and Gotland submarines. They just escorted a Danish transport ship with vehicles for a Danish army company group, operating in Estonia. Both nations are part of the JEF military cooperation(British lead).
@@neonpowar3766 It's more than enough to handle the Russians.
@@neonpowar3766 In that case, Germany, Norway and Poland will definitely join the war. So, the USA an the UK. That will be more than enough
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Nice video and a new covertte I got to know about..
What is the main difference between the frigate and covertte other than size and displacement?? Best covertte in the world according to you??
There have been great changes in the definitions of frigates and corvettes over time. Currently, the frigate is an open-sea combat and escort ship. Some frigates have even area-air defence capability. The Corvettes mostly serve under the umbrella of the air force in coastal waters. Due to the traditional definition, the corvettes are smaller than the frigates. Today, they are between 500 and 2500 tons. But, there are also frigates below this tonnage limit. It's hard to talk about the best corvette. Different countries have the best corvettes for their needs. Our favourite, though, is Sa'ar 6.
Since I'm Turkish, of course the Ada-class
@@WeaponDetective thanks for the reply
A Sverdlov cruiser & a Kresta II destroyer pix R nice treats 💜.
Beautiful ships
Originally the plan was for 24 YS2000 with half focusing on surface combat and half on ASW.
Visby is getting new stackable torpedo tubes doubling the number of of potential tubes to 8
Beautiful Corvette from Sweden. I guess it has enough rooms for most of the weapons that were currently been used in a ship.
No, but it's a beatiful, well armed and versitile ship. Hope Croatian Navy get something like this or at least like Finns Hamina class.
Croatia is a country in good standing, fellow EU member and NATO member. I don't think Sweden would have any qualms about selling you one. Especially now that the war in Ukraine has happened.
such a cool design
I guess the priority for Sweden is buying a bunch of RBS 15 mark IV missiles rather than additional corvettes. With the 300 km range of the Gungnir, most of the Baltic sea will be in range from the Swedish coast and Gotland island. Also, if deterring the Russians from venturing into Swedish waters, perhaps adding more A26 subs to the fleet instead would be the better choice of vessel?
Visby, as engineered, is a brilliant ship but also a perfect example of the incompetence of Swedish politicians, ant to some extent FMV. Ideas like saving money by underdimensioning the helo facilities, and then having to buy custom helicopters to Swedish requirements, at costs many times higher than buying COTS. Also, planning for (small) helicopters and then scrapping the idea, leaving an empty hangar. Not to mention the costs incurred by all the delays in decisions on AA etc.
The Visby class will be upgraded to carry the MBDA Common Anti-air Modular Missilesl (CAMM) / Sea Ceptor system
I am really amazed why those navy ships are so big and need so many people on them. It seems very stupid. In WW2 having 1000 people on a battleship, that's insane. I get technology was different back then. But really if you have a boat, you sail around, you operate a radar, you shoot rockets, how many people do you really need for that? One person steering, one navigating, one manning the radar, one operating the weapons, one doing communications, one doing electronic warfare, and a captain. That's it! Once you have things like a mess, a gym, cleaning crew, repair crews, engine crews, helicopter crews, things get completely out of hand. They should keep these ships small and lean.
No, the Swedish Navy is now looking towards fregattes. At least 3new ships are to be built in the next five years and they shall be much larger.
4 new Luleå corvettes are coming in 2030. Bigger yes but not frigates.
The Visby class, while interesting and intriguing, is nothing more than a "harassing" vessel. It's anti-ship missiles are its most potent asset but by newer standards it's not the threat it used to be. The radar profile is outstanding and goes a long way to defeating the "kill chain" and given Sweden's past, the Visby was the right vessel...not too threatening to cause the Russians to attack, yet potent enough to discourage small "adventures" from hostiles. But let's not kid ourselves, the Visby is a Corvette, it's a Coastal ship and it is lightly armed and armored, It's fast and stealthy but modern naval warfare requires very advanced radar suites and strong air defense measures...ask the Russians, they'll tell you all about it.
We have a lot of coast and archipelagos. You have to get through that to get to Stockholm.
We also have the amphibious troops, you never know where they are :)
Looks more stealthy than other western frigates. Hope Philippines will look into it..and also with your next gen A-26 class subs.
The Philippines is a blue water nation I think Visby will perform well for. It is designed for archipelago warfare.
But I am happy if you get anything that prevents your fishermen from being bullied by the Chinese.
Im sure they will stack up those ships
The real Swedish hunters is under the surface, Swedish high class sub-fleet is soon bigger with A26 subs.
Much better than K 130 corvettes!
Depends on what you want to do with the corvettes.
The K130 has better air defense/CIWS with its two RIM-116 launchers carrying 42 missiles, a larger main gun (76mm instead of the 57mm, giving it the potential to use longer range ammunition) and longer endurance (7.400km instead of the 4.600km of Visby)
The K130 also has an integrated hangar for two Skeldar V-200 helicopter UAVs.
In the end it depends on your requirements which one is better for you.
I agree ! However given what they need right now the visby would be better ! That threat of russia was always there ! It was simply ignored for the longest of time in favor of more stabelizing missions abroad ! Which is fine as long as you do your homework! If anything they would have needed both with the K 130 as an after thought!
@@HingerlAlois K130 is again under armed for its size. A recurring theme for German Surface ships.
the sa'ar 6 has 32 VLS, a similar amount of RAM analogue missiles and 16! Antiship missiles.
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Please do a video on new Frigate in Mogami-class
You have to take a notion that if Sweden gets attacked theres Finland which would help. Hamina class missile boats are also stealthy and better armed. Russian Baltic fleet would not stand a chance against those two countries.
Would love to see the price of this ship and all other equipment
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Thanks for your interest. We have added the Makassar-class landing platform dock to our list. We will make a video about it as soon as possible.
Second cold war. Wise words.
0:18 Such effort in making the ship 'invisible', yet they let a flag hang from the ship....
1:40 Jagaren HMS “Halland”.
Considering the Oto Melara 76mm is standard for corvettes & frigates, I think the Bofors 57mm is too light to be an effective naval gun?
If I remember correctly the 57mm allows for more explosive payload delivered per second, while having enough destructive capability to effectively penetrate any modern warship.
For surface attack, the main weapon is RBS 15 anti-ship missiles. The 57 mm is really effective for smaller and fast boats though, and not to mention it's an extremely effective anti-air gun (and that's the main purpose of it on these, i guess).
@@maartineriksson Yes that is how I interpreted the weapons uses as well.
Effective for what purpouse?
This is not a ship that would go in to a gun battle with another war ship.
If the target is important enough, you launch a missile or torpedo.
The 57mm is adequate for light targets.
We'll, that's the reasoning anyway.
Com'on Red Devil's!😊
No air-defense systems? Not so smart move!
This warship is something that the United States Navy should consider purchasing from Sweden to patrol our countries shorelines 100%
Agreed. Not only are they FAR more capable than the LCS, they are only about half the price of the LCS.
@@willymac5036 I think they’re the most amazing fighting ships/ boats out there hands down.
@@jeffi854 I am in full agreement with you. The U.S. Navy would need to make some minor modifications to suit their specific needs (I personally think they should modify it to carry 12 anti ship missiles instead of 8, and the U.S. Navy would probably use the NSM missile instead of the RBS-15 since they are already using it and have it in their inventory). I also think it would be a good idea to add 8 Mk41 VLS cells to equip the vessel with the VL-ASROC anti submarine rockets, which themselves are desperately in need of an upgrade in range from 12 nmi to 75 or even 100 nmi, which would make this ship an absolutely lethal submarine hunter. I think they should also equip it with the maritime launched version of the hellfire missile that they developed for the LCS ships. This would protect it from small naval drones of the type currently being used in Ukraine that are wreaking havoc on the Russian navy. It wouldn’t hurt to equip it with a naval version of the NASAMS for air defense as well. These modifications would of course increase the cost, but you’d have a small, inexpensive warship (compared to an Arleigh Burke Destroyer) that would be very well armed and could go toe-to-toe with any warship in the world. It would sit perfectly with the US Navy’s “distributed lethality” concept.
How is this compare to the Skjold class?
I don't think any nordic country needs bigger ships than corvettes that are based in the Baltic. Norway/Denmark might need Frigates for their Atlantic fleets tho.
Visby Class will be sweet with the new upgrades, just a few more of them and more subs than the already ordered will be fine. Upgrade some SB90 with some more strike power seems very good too.
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"Norway/Denmark might need Frigates for their Atlantic fleets tho"?
Norway operates four heavy frigates/destroyers of the 'Fridtjof Nansen' class. These are vessels of more than 5,000 tonnes displacement, equipped with the AEGIS combat system which means that they have area air defence capability. Norway also operates six 'Ula' class submarines. The three
Nordkapp class ships of the Norwegian Coastguard could be considered as secondary frigates. Their replacements will be larger and more capable, with the ability to operate two helicopters.
Denmark operates three 'Iver Huitfeldt' class air defence frigates, and two Absalon class hybrid frigate/transports. The Danish navy also has six large, very capable, offshore patrol vessels/frigates, with one more building.
@@gloin10 lol I forgot to answer this but what I meant is that "they" Norway and Denmark need other stuff than corvettes in the Atlantic.
Russia has been working on this underwater sobotage for awhile now. Good on Sweden.
Can the ship fit any marines as well as the 43 crew
Good choice 4 LCS Malaysian Navy's...
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Lol The Russian armed forces can't even beat a small army that's using older versions of their own damn equipment. They wouldn't stand a shadow of a chance versus an army like Sweden's.
Why do western idiots think Russia is losing? Is it just bcoz the memes? Grow a brain and try learn what is actually going on, Russia is not losing.
Russia isn't losing but they aren't winning either. Only time will tell who wins this war.
@@tylerdurden4006 Despite the vast difference in size and equipment quality between the Ukranian and Russian army the invasion is 23 days old now and Russia only managed to advance 150-200 kilometers into Ukraine. The US would've been drinking tea in Kiev on day 3. Go back to your troll farm little Russian propaganda troll.
Ukrainian 'small' army definitely one of the largest in Europe. And with a real combat experience, though limited to trench warfare. I don't remember Sweden army having any fighting experience last 20 years
@@user-yj8vj3sq6j i guess he ment small compared to that of russia. But ukranian soldiers seems to be really good at defending their land. it ain't the size of the ocean, it's the ocean in motion.
Swedens fighting experience lately is limited to events during missions abroad. But who knows what might come.
Russia wouldn't stand a chance. They're more bark than bite
First there looks to be only a gun and you think, what’s the point?
Then, the ship opens up hatches and pops out all kinds of weapons.
It's a transformer
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I say as below comments... Dont forget the Swedish Subs.... :)
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It strikes me that both the visby class and especially Gotland class sub would be perfect for Taiwan in defending against communist China
how exactly? Do they provide significant anti-air capabilities?
@@user-yj8vj3sq6j The Visby Class Generation II has some anti-air capabilities, but I think the main advantage would be that a Visby Class corvette requires less than 50 crew to operate and is relatively cheap to operate compared to British frigates or American destroyers and the Gotland class submarine is relatively affordable and can fielded in large numbers by a small navy. I think the Swedish Jas Gripen E/F would also be suitable for the Taiwanese air force as it is designed to be maintained by a relatively inexperienced crew of conscripts with only the pilot having to be fully trained. Essentially, the Swedish designed their equipment to be easily operated by an army of conscripts supporting a small core group of professional soldiers which fits Taiwan's situation perfectly.
It strikes me that (due to the war in Ukraine) Sweden may well be willing to sell them to Taiwan. RBS 15 Gungnir might also be useful. Advanced naval mines are available too.
Well, between Taiwan and China, there is mostly open sea, Visby excels in Archipelago warfare when it can minimize the chance of detection by hiding behind islands with its stealth capabilities.
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I think my dads rusty ass two person fishing boat can deter Russia at this point
Before the invasion of Ukraine: "we need Visby class corvette to deter Russian!"
After the invasion of Ukraine: "HA..HA..HA..HA, there is nothing to deter, lets save some money and scrap Visby"
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A sea turtle would deter a russian navy. Well not deter, they'd still atack. And get sunk
Longshot? Is that you?
a cross oceanic capable Visby class would be worth it . . . let's say, a fleet of five brand new Visby II class e-FuelCell2^ i-HYBRId® IEP^ powered 2,690 ton (3,200 ton loaded) stealth guided missile multi mission ASW corvettes will redefine this fine Scandinavian navy to a level on par with Italy, Great Britain & France . . . because the Cold War era is back . . . the newer Visby II class e-FuelCell2^ i-HYBRId® IEP^ powered 2,690 ton (3,200 ton loaded) stealth guided missile multi mission ASW corvettes will be armed with RGM-109E Tomahawk (Block IV) inertial guided land attack cruise missile (canister type boxed launcher) & two 400 mm SAAB TP45 LWT triple tubed torpedo launchers on either port & starboard far side . . . it'll also be armed with two 25 MM GAU-12/U (6-barrel rotary gun) Phalanx (Block VI) CIWS & one SeaRAM® SAM system . . . the Visby II class e-FuelCell2^ i-HYBRId® IEP^ powered 2,690 ton (3,200 ton loaded) stealth guided missile multi mission ASW corvettes will also feature a full size aircraft hangar & helipad in rear most stern section of the main deck that will be big enough to accommodate two naval surface ship borne MH-60R Sea Hawk (Block 30) maritime multi role ASW helos . . .
Well, all well and dandy, IF you can explain what purpose a blue sea fleet would serve Sweden.
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@@johanmetreus1268 who said there are no buyers???
Russia is not the enemy.
Oh, yes. I'm an American. Born and raised in California, U.S.A.
11:34 - That is some very questionable math there my friend!
Looks like the “frontline” ship of sweden, if attacked by anti-ship cruise missile can only pray to odinson cuz SAM is absent😳…
The 57mm AA gun is quite able to shoot down a cruise missile.
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Imagine being a Brit and accuse someone else about expansionism.
As a Swede I will say this
It's a nice toy, but without any real teeth. It's a peace time vessel.
In light of recent developments, do you think there are any prospects that Sweden will increase its naval budget?
@@jamesk370 Quite so. The largest increase in armed forces since the beginning of the cold war started a few weeks ago.
As a swede having served in the navy I will say they definetly have teeth. We just need more of them...
@@thelin9061 What did WWII teach us? Boats are a sitting ducks to aircraft. And these ships have literally no AA.
We have a minimal air force, and now we need to put a quarter of that on just protecting these ships during war.
They don't only have no teeth, they literally diminish our capabilities on other fronts.
@@Mornomgir And that is before the last increase with was also the biggest ever.
It either shows that Sweden is investing heavily, or that the previous levels were non existent. To me it's clear it's the latter.
When will we reach 2% of GDP? Within a decade. A decade... It's a joke. Just like with Denmark's goals.
"Can it deter Russians in the Baltic?" Was that a JOKE?
Jesus christ. What CAN't deter the russian navy. Russia have literally halved their Black Sea fleet to a country with no navy.
Russia wasn't threatening anybody ... What expansionism ?? This hasn't dated well
These are more than 20 twenty years old, the new Will be better so russia is about 30 years behind in tech.
Hopefully they will updated those now that Russia has proven... troublesome. However, it will be insufficient. They'll need frigates and destroyers as well.
Size doesn't matter technology does so they won't need destroyer it's actually useless if you don't have aircraft carrier.
and how in heavens name would you find suicide candidates to board large stationary targets like frigates and destroyers in the modern Baltic context..... (but agree that the SAM upgrade will be a significant improvement for Visby to be able to provide area-defence )
We want small fast and nimble. No need for frigates or destroyers in the Baltic, Skagerrak or Kattegatt. They'd just be targets so it'd make more sense to just get more corvettes, subs or planes.
NATO should patrol the Baltic sea's perminently
At 8:48 it not a visby corvet firering its a CV 90 AND !!!!!!???????
Where are you getting your information from ??? OMG!!!
You weren't even close to right when it comes to the number of missiles and the gun ammuniton on board.
Not even a little close !!
We mentioned the 40mm 3P rounds at that part. So, it is just the 3P round's firing scene. Is there a difference between whether 3P ammunition is fired from the CV90 or the Visby? Also, if we are wrong, we glad to know the true amount. Please share with us the actual number of missiles and the gun ammunition on board.
@@WeaponDetective its four rbs.15 missiles launcher container (without reloading capibility i think)
So considering the Russian performance in Ukraine, I honestly think we over invested in the Visby corvettes. Apparently all we need are some dudes on islands and perhaps a dingy or two.
And if that doesnt work, send the Finns on them
what dudes on island? you mean those dudes who surrendered? xD
I agree with you, BUT! A big BUT, you can never invest to much in defence, I mean that is so crucial to the protection of our democracy. So I actually rather invest to much in case something happens than to little. Better safe than sorry.
@@goldrush5764 yeah, perfectly agree was just poking fun :P
@@G0TIMAN no troll. He didnt talk about Snake Island. Well jokes aside. The Russian fleet and Kalinigrad is a threat. Our airforce, navy, and intel (ligence) is our best chance. Not even mention baltic and n.a.t.o support
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Sounds like its more of a coastal patrol craft than a major surface combatant. Against a major surface vessel of the Russian Navy, this little vessel wouldn't last long.
They don’t have any major surface vessels whatever that means in the Baltic sea. And you have to see it and get past the submarines to sink it.
through private sector equity participation in future defense acquisitions the Swedish Air Force can acquire a fleet of 83 - 89 additional brand new SAAB JAS-39E GRIPEN multi role interdictor strike fighter without having to break the bank . . . because SAF sure does need more multi role fighters, even opt for multi role fighters from France & the U.S. . . for e.g. the Dassault Rafale F4-R multi role interdictor strike fighter & F-15EX Strike Eagle II multi role fighter . . . even the Indian made HAL Tejas Mk2A light multi role fighter for that matter . . .
Sorry but you will have to review your copy. France is 180 ships with 420,000 tons
Great Britain is 88 ships with 190,000 tons and Sweden is around thirty ships at most with a tonnage of less than 67,000 tons
So without wanting to be unpleasant. as we say back home: Il y a du travail à faire.
When in Tejas, I know well that it is an Indian pride.
But let's be serious two minutes he is far from Western standards at the moment.
After for a first locally manufactured aircraft it is undoubtedly a real success.
@@olivierpuyou3621 Swedens naval tonnage is probably less than 20 000 tons
@@cerkurkafelst7335 I actually greatly overestimated the tonnage I mixed all the Scandinavian countries. my excuses.
@@olivierpuyou3621 No It's fine, I actually don't know either but Sweden is where I'm from and well... I most likely overestimated it too. It wouldn't surprise me if the tonnage was closer to 10 000.
Getting other aircraft types is out of the question unless switching over to that type entirely. Maintenance- and logistics organisation wouldn't allow it, already had to cannibalise aircraft on several occasions to get spare parts for the flying ones, and workshops are at capacity :-/
After Russia's current FOOLISH war, a *fishing boat* could deter Russia in the Baltic.
I can help but russia is a land army
Russia has built proven corvettes as well. They are the perfect littoral platform in the Baltic.
For any navy there
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This ship is ugly, I miss the normal, classic ship designs. This is also the S.S. don't get to close or you'll see the plywood. The Europeans were the first to go into a mode of relaxing and believing that the Russian threat had just magically disappeared. I would have no doubt that the designers are hard at work right now getting something ready that can actually fight and do real damage.
Armoured ships aren't made anymore, since the naval weaponry rendered it all but useless. Reason the Visby is ugly is that stealth (radar and IR) was considered more important than looks.
Main issue with the lack of teeth is political, where the various governments simply did not see any reason to spend money getting the planned weapon systems in place. See "Genomförandegruppen" on Wikipedia.
With the attitude finally changed, I expect the Visby upgrades (and a lot of other cancelled/mothballed purchases) to get pushed through in short order.
The biggest hurdle atm is the lack of trained staff, as someone has to teach the teachers to allow the needed expansion, and as a brigade commander or ship commander taken from the street takes 8-10 years to become fully competent, the lead times is what slows the process down.
Did you just call it UGLY.
@@villejansson6871 yep. Stand by it.
@@jamesdenofantiquity bro how is it ugly.
wtf u mean ugly, , its not some toys, go pain your lego war ships as u want them.
I think sweden needs to focus in internal issues first, they are a far greater existenstial threat to sweden. Increased crime, islamification, death of its culture etc etc....
now it is Clear to me ukranians are whiter than georgians , probabbly scandinavians are even whiter hence russia will face even more hArsh condemnations due to any aggression in scand.. But definitelly will be sad to watch her sinking.
you think the current refugee crisis it's about race and not about the Putins warcrimes?
@@haisulful8245 no no War crimes are the same, syria; east turkistan; palastine; grozni; bosnia; albania; afganistan; iraq; georgia and ukraine and many more in africa asia america, but Responses are biased.
@@yarmud sure... people care more when it happens close to them and when the people share the commong culture and values. It also helps that this time the refugees are women and children. When people come from middle east it's just young men.
@@haisulful8245 you have a point unless you are the perpetrator of the 'other' issue. Cameron, Bush, Obama...are all War criminals even make Putin look smaller in size of 'colateral damage'. Plus woman and children were not able to jump over barbed wires and cross thousand Miles for you to see them.
@@yarmud wars should be fougth by the politicans in a boxing ring
All this is irrelevant compared to that by 2050 Swedes will be a minority in Sweden. Think Lebanon or South Africa