Worldbuilding is Cringe
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- Worldbuilding and lore are cringe. Corporate distractions means to keep you a consumer, blind to the truth of the world. Study the world, the truth, grasp the microcosm and the macrocosm.
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I don’t think worldbuilding is cringe but rather those who completely submit themselves to a world someone else has created thus robbing themselves of their own creative potential. I think this is one of the greatest issues with contemporary art forms, attempting to simply mimic what preceded
I 100% agree and I think that's why I have a hard time relating to a lot of people who are into nerdy stuff Star Wars/lord of the rings etc to reiterate what your saying it bothers me to that there are people too busy living in other peoples worlds they can't live in there own world.
Lmao this is the same thing that Andrew Tate said. You swear they can't do the same thing. Frank Herbert read Foundation and then created Dune. Your logic is hilariously flawed.
This is true. I always prefer to create my own fictional worlds rather than mere obsess over someone else's. (By the way, this is also why you shouldn't completely submit to a religious narrative either)
World building is cringe and yet you live in a world that was built.
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@@MemeAnalysis You're a legend
And doth thou not also cringe?
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Please explain
Worldbuilding is a distinctly Apollonian form of creativity, focused entirely on the logical consistency of fiction, forgoing the necessary mythic and Dionysian aspects of art.
Absolutely, and without Dionysus we cannot commune.
Nice insight @@MemeAnalysis. What would be an Apollonian communion?
Art isn't inherently anything
Cringiest video you have ever done. Still admire youre work tho
This is why I do all my worldbuilding while drunk.
I have always disliked the way people looked at worldbuilding as offering 'alternatives' to reality.
Totally. I say this as someone who has wasted thousands of hours learning about fictional universes, but it always takes the fun and magic out of something when you clinically catalog all the creatures and gods and historical events
“Fear is what has kept The Old Gods alive.” hard
Not when I do it
Correct. It's actually pretty based when you do it because you're a pretty cool guy
@@TheGreenKnight500it’s also pretty cool when you do it dude !
Ive never seen someone have my phone wallpaper
@@itsafish4600I was retarded enough to have it be my phone wallpaper and get a tattoo of it on my leg
I always thought it was odd how people got obsessed with lore in a way where they don't somehow play a role in it, even just by comparing how the themes express themselves in their own lives and dreams. Made me realize it often just became an indirect obsession because the lore of their own life is too hellish to explore and take serious
Didn’t see you were making videos again! Looking forward to seeing them
@@MemeAnalysis There is lots on the way, finally! I hope it will be of interest to you as the pioneer of bringing psychoanalysis to internet culture
Worldbuilding needs to serve the function of containing a story, the story is the thing which functions, not the detailed lore which surrounds it
The story adheres to the archetype, and it has power, the worldbuilding is just the flesh it takes
Indeed. A good story with a mediocre world will always trump a mediocre story in some exciting world.
Also, \m/ Convulsing. Hell yeah, brother.
@@DrAmantias
Absolutely
Nice to meet an appreciator of Convulsing
It doesn't need to do anything. You have a limiting view of art and the world.
@@faust8218you have failed to consider that your view is too liberal, and not everything that you are willing to call art merits the name or the work.
I cannot say that I agree with this video. This was a very longwinded and at times incoherent way of saying “fiction is bad because it is make believe.” Just because you dressed it up in esoteric language doesn’t mean the same arguments against this aren’t any less valid than before. All this neopagan language, and it still sounds as absurd to me as the convert-frenzied ROCOR triumphalist who says that listening to secular music is evil because I could have said the Jesus Prayer 300 times in that timespan instead. Everything has its season, its proper occasion. There is a time for grounded reality and serious contemplation, and there is a time for dreaming and frivolity.
I mean, Christianity is made up, but it still changed the course of history. Fiction is more powerful than reality. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have propaganda.
one thing is to dream, with myths and ideas born out of the collective imagination, and another is to dream with ideas born to sell you funkopops
This guy is the biggest pseud online.
Those glasses make you look kinda like smash mouth
Shooting stars breaking the mold is cringe
Somebody once told him the world was gonna roll him.
"So much to do, so much to see
So what's wrong with taking the back streets?" is profoundly Jungian
a TH-cam video is sequence of images
God you are so contrarian it boils my blood ❤
So sorry for party rocking…
He's just trolling you
Not all stories are written by corporations. Some are just bad, but not all of them. Most of them are bad in places and good in places. Why can't I just enjoy both the real and the unreal? This "I don't drink, I'm high on life" shit is stupid. There's shit I can't do in real life (Throw fire from my hands, fly, so on) that can only be done through my imagination. Why can't I take that as seriously as I take real life? When I fly in an airplane, or sit around a fire pit with the boys, it inspires me to imagine and to create worlds of my own, the same way "corporate worldbuilding" does. I thought you were all about whimsymaxxing, yet you are unable to see the value in the creations of others that didn't live before capitalism. Just because I occasionally drink from the tap of corporate greed doesn't make me an alcoholic.
You speak as if the myths weren't just elaborate stories and worldbuildings created by ancient people to explain the world and for entertainment, sometimes based on real stories embelished to a point they were more myth than real. The ability to write stories, to come up with worlds, characters, people, is a magical act in itself. it's a good thing.
Myths function, most fiction doesn’t.
@@MemeAnalysis The Lord of the Rings is Myth, such was the intention in it's creation and thus posses function. I get your point, there is no refuge from reality in any illusion, but I will only consider to give the type of thought you have express about Tolkien's work when you command the capacity to change the world thru the exercise of your craft the same way Tolkien did.
That on one side on the other, you have a very bias point on the view of Role-Playing and you miss a ritualistic aspect of those games that have a lot of potential for the human side of thing, the importance of The Group. As with all things it all comes to "Not too much of anything".
@@MemeAnalysis This video makes me feel like we need modern myths, stories unbound by the capital. I think we need this to hone our understanding of the untimely gods because we, only move towards the future.
@@MemeAnalysis Isn't the goal of most world-building nerds to construct worlds that have depth but still function well?
Ancient myths are worldbuilding applied to the real world, and are therefore useful and profound in a way most fiction is not. Though, of course, because this is the same kind of worldbuilding some classic fictions can teach us the same kinds of profound truths, like LotR. However, there is a point of diminishing returns when focusing on worldbuilding. Knowing every detail about Tolkien dwarf culture and how it compares to DnD dwarf culture, for example, is missing the forest for the trees. At some point it's time to grow up, and you might as well study the real life lore while you're at it, if lore and worldbuilding are your thing.
Dantes inferno is basically judt 1400s backrooms lore (9 stages of hell = backrooms levels)
I agree, you can’t learn to love from a romcom, likewise you can’t learn to live from a fantasy. I think it’s cool to enjoy in depth world building, so long as you don’t take it too seriously
Nope. All fiction is bad. Stop being a nerd and just read textbooks, bro. Do not give in to the entertainment (the devil's poison!) If you read The Lord of The Rings, Tolkien will literally pop out of the book and suck your soul out.
People like playing DND because in real life you can't exactly kill a dragon. Also calling people who make fiction "demiurges" is laughable. Some people just like expressing themselves like that, they don't try to be gods.
You are evil
And some people do? Maybe there is a demiurgic scale to this. People are allowed to like what they like but utilising your time and energy to make a virtual world with consistent rules is pretty demiurgic imo
I dont fully disagree with the "people can express themselves how they like" but that's not really the point of the video, it's more about how you spend your time. Also for you to claim the demiurgic comment laughable and proceed to imply the exact same thing about people interested in mythological epics with the "they don't try to be gods" comment is even more laughable.
It's also a better way to experience this kind of thing: Dominating nature as an adventure. I could go on a real adventure and actually kill a shark. But the reality of that kind of act today isn't anything impressive, it's profoundly sad.
@@Golem-HelmYes, but having a fantasy about killing a dragon will never be a substitute for the real thing. You'll never become the hero. The asshole who kills a shark is also playing out a fantasy. For real monsters worth slaying, you need only look within.
All myth and all fiction are world building and lore. Specifically, they reflect psychological and cultural realities of the real world and thus build the real world. The mistake people make is decontextualizing this, taking the artist’s unconscious as the collective. Journeys inwards, even when done collectively, are worthwhile. A rare and unfortunate L, Mr. Matter.
Thursday literally means Thor's day. I know it because in highschool I had a friend who liked to pretend he was Thor and every thursday he took a piece from everybody's lunch as an "offering". All of this happened in Mexico and my friend was definitely not from nordic descent. Last time I saw him, he was on the local TV, dressed as a viking, promoting a battle reanctment group.
Gotta respect that level of commitment to the bit.
Fanum tax is a Thorian/Jovian conspiracy.
bro's a bg guy in a marvel movie
I've never been into fantasy or super hereos per se, but sci fi used to be my bread and butter.
Way away in high school I would try to world build sci fi settings over and over again. More or less realistic, different langueges, systems of writing, technology, etc. But I burnt myself out with this. Not only was all of it based on other fiction, and not based on reality. It hit me that none of it was real. Like a video game it could all be wiped out in a second. And I could begun from scratch. It didn't matter. And it was so close to realoty at some points for the sake of realism. I might as well just life an actual life and it'd be close enough to mass effect in the ways I cared about.
As said near the end of the video. It was just an escape from reality. But, I do believe it to be a defense mechanism foe bad circumstances. Children aren't exactly taught how to enjoy life anymore, so fiction is an obvious route to staying alive.
I think that an issue with a lot of worldbuilding is that it tries to be too internally all-encompassing, logical, and consistent to a fault, where everything has a clear answer leaving very little room for interpretation. In my opinion the best fiction out there is the kind that intentionally doesn't tell you everything, the kind that doesn't try to, or want to, explain itself.
I get the disdain for comics but there're definitely some that go beyond just worldbuilding. Alan Moore, Alejandro Jodorowsky, Junji Ito, all have works that could qualify as modern day myths.
Absolutely, Gaiman too. I believe heavily in the potential of the medium, I love comics. They are the ultimate divine medium, a synthesis of word and image.
@@MemeAnalysis It's troubling how much this medium has been tainted by Disney in the west. It's gotten so bad most of the kids here have just abandoned comics entirely and moved to manga; never even heard of Moore or Gaiman. Just diamonds being buried. Damn shame.
Only to people who don't understand what a myth is and the role they play in the societies they are tied to.
we are so deep in clown world that people are turning towards paganism that has been dead for over a thousand years for spirituality.
i hide my hephestean worldbuidling from my cool, apollonian friends
good stuff!
I'm a DND bro (more of a ttrpg bro but i will speak for DND in a occult/psychoanalytic way), i was going to "defend" DND only a bit but I got lost in the sauce and wrote a lot, so here we go: in a more general sense i'm going to defend "Playing" (and imma use the term "Playing" and "Game" in the psychoanalytic Winnicottian definition for reference).
Life is about playing. Playing is investing our energy into the world, in a way that the world becomes personal to us, and meaningful to us, and we interact with that meaning, and the meaning makes us laugh, and it makes us cry, and it makes us whole, and it is good. The more we get to make the world personal to us, the more we are invested in it. DND is a social game, worldbuilding in DND is only a way to support the meaning that is shared between everybody, DND is another way to talk, to connect with people, to invest in relationships.
A game is something that has a set of specific rules that restrains the way we can play, but it does not only restrains, it supports (support in the "étayage" sense in psychoanalysis, don't know how to translate this one). With rules, it gives a direction to the play, it gives it the capacity to have meaning. Social life is a game too, it has a set of rules and we a restrained in it to some degree, you can't just do weird random shit and expect to develop meaningful relationships with people, it musts have reprocity in some degree, or it is by definition not a relationship, so in this way, it is a game with rules. DND is a game within a game, a social game within a group a friend that already follows a set of rules in their social dynamic. Yeah I get it you could say DND is a perversion of the real relationship then, I think it connects with your point in this way, but you could also say it is a way to change the rules of the social game, as it put the relationships with your friends in a whole other context, the game is being personnalised, the relationships are experienced differently, the connection are deepened, the meaning is experienced differently, in the end the game in DND will end, but the feelings felt will still be have been felt, and the relationships will still be deepened.
But also yes DND can be used to escape reality and to go further into a perverted reality that is also true, but hey, it can be used in other ways, i want to create stories with my friends, and how is that really different from playing music with your friends? or going on a hike with them? Just to say, in the defense of DND, it is not (only) about creating simulacrum of archetypal stories and playing them, it is about (even more so for Dungeon Masters creating their own stories, as much as we can "create" stories), co-creating with your friends a story that is infused with unconscious energy, it is interacting with the energy of others in a shared dream, changing our internal dynamics in the process as we interact with a shared symbolic world, it can be meaningful and powerful if the game is respected, and the randomness of the dice ohh man, it connects us to a lot of synchronicities in a way that normal people don't really get access too otherwise. But of course if you only play DND to escape reality that is not good. It is at its core just a game tho, in the same way that a deck of tarot cards is at its core a game, and you know that the meaning you infuse in the tarot is what makes it transcendant.
Good video tho, love u
I'll write fiction with deep world building about MemeAnalysis
It's one thing to say: art is made worse by it's productization, and becoming a part of a fandom is a method to goosestep into things that aren't thought out by the creators. Another to string this somehow to saying the gods are real, so it feels that we aren't being given the full idea behind what you mean when you say gods are real. Your point to convince me they do exist are how we named our days of the week, but this doesn't really do anything for me. You can just as easily argue we give reverence to horses by how our cars are still roughly the size of a horse cart, remembering a time when they were our main mode of transportation, and for what it's worth the domestication of horses is much older than the myths of Thor. Additionally I think you are missing the point that most people are making here that those same stories and myths were also made as in some capacity commercial products, designed similarly to resonate with the culture at the time, popularity was still a goal for those writers. Survivorship Bias may also be affecting you: It's very likely that a lot of terrible stories similar to the ones you complain about existed at the time, but why would anyone care and preserve them for thousands of years? It's like going to a car refurbishing show and thinking you are seeing the entire history of vehicles, but no one is going to work to restore a Cybertruck in 80 years regardless of it's historical impact.
I don't believe that Thor causes thunder and lightning, and trying to convince me of that will take a lot, so I'm imagining you mean more than this.
Forgetting this point of gods, I see the argument more mundanely put:
Art should provide some kind of connection to truth, truth being something inherent to human experience, a product doesn't have the same responsibility and so people who look for truth in a product will find a false version and make it their truth.
But from here I lose you, it feels like you give a few slippery slope ideas saying that finding a false truth will always lead to these issues. Someone playing DnD concluding all adventure is only available in fiction is silly. It's common to think good choices lead to good outcomes and bad to bad outcomes, but it's not true.
Something my dad always brings up with the question of meaning and how people ask it is the fact a lot of people will start with "What is the meaning of life" presupposing that it has a meaning instead of asking "does life have meaning", I see it the same way with your question at the start: I don't think Star wars or 40K can save me because I haven't presupposed that I need saving.
>World building is le bad or something BECAUSE I SAID SO OK!!!
But what if world building in fiction is used to teach a lesson?
I've had a weird suspicion that those in high places tap into, maybe even synthesize beliefs with deep meaning and power, while shoveling out absolute garbage to us plebs.
I think this approach is incorrect simply because any storytelling, any world building is a genuine reflection of humanity in the exact same way that the pagan myths of yore were. Something like Star Wars can't be "impure" because there is no other source or ingredients that could have contaminated it, its borne purely out of humanity and the human soul. In fact, I would argue something like Star Wars is representative of the same cycle of death and rebirth. It is the pagan gods, the pagan heroes reborn into a new form, especially given the influence of Joseph Campbell
Worshipping a Pagan god could bring you crops and money, worshipping the Force just gives money to Disney.
@@MemeAnalysis You could say the same thing about the pagan gods: "Worshipping the gods only brings money to the high priest."
It's deeply unfortunate that so much of modern media has become corporatized, yes, but it doesn't discredit the spirit present in its initial creation. I agree that surrounding yourself in plastic merchandise is the same as surrounding yourself with false idols but it is ultimately on the individual to be able to discern true meaning and themes from the surrounding decor
@MemeAnalysis panpsychism says you're dead wrong. Peter J Carroll already proved it with his Hypersphere Cosmology(mathematics, not occultism btw). It has zero published refutations against it.
More proof about the cringiness of the video in question
@@thegreatswordmaster6485 I agree 100%. Over time Star Wars got turned into a toyline with a million layers of worldbuilding and side stories, but the pure intent of the original movie from 70s to be a "archetypal myth in space" is uncontestable.
spiderman will outlive all of us
Man I was just working on a video titled "Has Worldbuilding ruined Films?" and you upload this and steal my thunder. Im not mad tho because your quality is much higher than mine!
You can still make the video! Just make sure to be authentic and write what you know, rather than "worldbuild" the video with so-called perfect facts, quotes, info, etc.
If you where to make a video on the negatives on a spiritual and psychoanalitycal aspects of world building (which chris did in the video) then maybe you wouldn wish to make the video
But your idea is (at least with the title idea you gave) limited on films
Give it a go as both (the idea you may have and the video Chris made) are different, I suppose
@@testrobot7596 Yes, exactly, and his idea doesn't have to be limited, he could have a vast experience in the subject and dump it in and tie it together.
“Fear of this battle station will keep the local gods in line.” - Grand Moff Tarquin of the (Roman) Empire
I've always thought this myself. To be so obsessed with the literal objects in fiction rather than how they come together, or to ignore the weaving of different parts into a kind of transcendent whole is to miss the forest for the trees. I really think consumerist culture is largely to blame
Astrology is cringe
Where did you get that early Christian’s tried to change the names of planets and such? I know that orthodox Christianity is quite okay with accepting and taking what is good of paganism and keeping it alive, as seen in Exodus when the Hebrews take the spoils (or what was good of paganism) from the Egyptians.
So, worldbuilding should be a reflection of life, but one's perception of life should not be based off of worldbuilding?
this idea of world building as cringe has been in my head for years now. you ever watch John Boorman's Excalibur? that movie taught me to see myth and mythmaking as the ur-language of dreams. also believe now that cinema is just that same ancient language.
Love Excalibur
Legend by Ridley Scott is also a classic.
“All art is quite useless” - Oscar Wilde
That’s the point
Funny what you have to say about roleplaying games when ur life is LARP.
I like Spiderman because his costume is the same color as a coke zero can!
Tbh though world-building should never brought to the fore-front. It shines the best when it is buried in the background as a subtle undercurrent. It should be like subconscious soup of ideas that the audience only experiences a small slice.
I can get why people wouldn't understand D&D or get why it's entertaining. For me personally it's just fun to make up a story with friends. Even though we follow a pre-written module, we still pretty much improvise and make up our own story because it's more fun and seems more logical from the perspective of the story. And their characters are pretty funny.
It's cringe but it's our cringe.
When everything is cringe, nothing will be.
Smashmouth here telling my people not to play D&D
Aight
Ok, sure. But you shouldn't disregard modern myths. Your last video is literally about Lovecraft.
And I do think that Tolkien and Lucas were really onto something, and created modern myths which will still be appreciated in centuries (At least the 2 original trilogies)
Funko pops are pagan idols for evil gods.
I see your point, but I'd look to someone like Tolkien as a counterpoint. He worldbuilt so hard he effectively invented modern fantasy, would that still could as 'cringe' under your definition? He certainly tried to make a mythos, that was his stated goal.
I think the cringe may come from perverting the ancient human tradition of story telling, mythmaking, and etc, for the purposes of making money and selling merchandise, rather than actually for the sake of the story and myth. It's important to not imply the two as the same.
Tolkien is basically a kind of "middle ground" here. Yes. He has written a huge world with millenia of history. The absolute main story can still be condensed to one sentence: "People travel to destroy an evil magic ring". You do not need to know where Elves, Orcs etc. come from to enjoy the story.
Tolkien made fantasy bland and derivative, the books also have very dull prose honestly.
@@olifromsolly6007 no, I think people *copying* Tolkien made fantasy dull. Same can be said with most mediums like it
Growing up i loved reading fantasy. Lord of the rings was the base for which i compared all others. Then learning that even Tolkien was drawing upon older myths to build his world started my fascination with the ancient and occult. I will always have for Tolkien because of that
QUIT HAVING FUN!
worldbuilding is not so different to any art
Nah blud what is that ‘toss in the thumbnail.
Coal in Ohio on god💀💀💀
One of your best videos. Hard pill to swallow for many
George Lucas heard you didn't tithe for the Star Wars, and now he's haunting the pantheon.
Interesting point about the christian renaming of everything is that the Portuguese were largely successful in it, not just removing daily references but even remaking pagan mythology as Christian mythology ("Os lusíadas", the foundational text of Portuguese colonization, was a mixture of the Illiad and the Odyssey) and even astronomy (the orion constellation is called three Marias).
The result? It created a cynical, weak spirituality that has zero resistance to synchretism. In every former colony of Portugal, Catholicism is a strange mix of african and indigenous beliefs that continuously absorbs from every possible influence, a contradictory simultaneous belief in hauntings, heaven, reincarnation and nirvana.
I partially, and vehemently, disagree with the premise of this video, as if myths and the gods of old were themselves not just worldbuilding of the ancient world. On the other hand, I also vehemently agree with the ideas.
Mimicry and role models are how people learn from the earliest ages to the end of their lives. Further, you ignore the communal aspect of things like role-playing games, the social, the act of creation while within a group setting. That in of itself is like creation divine attributed to the gods, almost in a way like the act of creating a Tapur.
To be blunt, the main idea I agree that dogmatic pursuit of media and fandom as propped up by corporations and the world building around said media offers little in concepts that edify wisdom. You are certainly right on that. But, I found it very strange that you specifically target tabletop games in this idea. The very concept of those games require all people at the table to engage in creation, not just consume. That in of itself is very not in line with the consoomer meme.
Your entire life can't just be self improvement or autistic pursuit analyzing occultic meaning and yungian archetypes, the pursuit of the contrarian is also in of itself somewhat occultic, I feel that is half of the intent of this video, which, honestly I fucking love it. Some people need a rude slap in the face if all their attention is turned into just one, simple thing, such as consuming movies.
I feel that yes, indeed, consuming and thinking that all media has the potential to impart wisdom is indeed, foolish and stupid. That is what the consoomer does. But I also feel that participating in the act of creation can help us explore our world, and our selves, whatever that creation maybe. There is a balance. Learn about and improve the world, and yourself, and have some hobbies, friends. There is something to be found in worldbuilding, but perhaps only if at least some of that is engaging with the practice yourself and not just letting someone else feed it to you.
World building is just Chaos Magick.
So this is just an indictment of fiction in general?
Yes. All fiction is bad. Only read non-fiction. Never watch movies, read books, or listen to stories. Just focus on the grind, bro. Submit to Moloch.
@@TheGreenKnight500 lol
@@TheGreenKnight500 someone got offended lmao, cry more to yoda
@@timeandspacemonkeypost bench
I've thought this for years, but didn't know how to put it in words.
I remember back in the days I was really into like Elder Scrolls lore or something.. like wow all these gods and cosmology are so interesting.. if only reaility was that cool..
I dont get the point of this video, but my two cents as someone who kinda sorta writes is that Worldbuilding itself isnt bad, its the people who get sucked into it and substitute it for real life or get so wraped up in it they forget the biggest thing in the world in writing, they're supposed too tell a story, not build a world
Video summary: touch grass and stay whimsy
No bro I swear my world that has elves and dwarfs is completely unique because uhhh I throw an aspect of some other culture’s myths into it ok that makes it innovative
C.S. Lewis trying to convince Tolkien that Chronicles of Narnia is good
Could you do a deep dive on each zodiac sign ? That would be really interesting to see. Also on the different arcanas of the tarot. I know it already exists on youtube but those videos usually lack depth.
I go fairly in depth on the signs in my major arcana articles on Tetragrammaton.com
Production quality is very good.
The gods are angry at me :(
If I add a Kabballah or some reference to the stages of the Magnum opus is my world building hecking wholesome?
They all do that, and quite badly
more meme analysis videos!!!! i need to consume!!!!
Daily uploads this month!
@@MemeAnalysis so stoked dude! :)
Good writing over world building any day. I've been saying that for a while now. Glad other people think the same.
Oh my Reddit essay
Seems like you ruffled a lot of feathers with this one.
Worldbuilding is cringe when it becomes inconsequential to the story. A good worldbuilding has to either be highly thought provoking and inspiring or just sufficiently crafted and simple enough to work as a background or scenery for the stories. I have been struggling with making a worldbuilding for a while precisely because of how self-aware I am of the cringe. I often have crazy Ideas that I want to insert, but then they get in the way when I start to try to make a compelling story, so I end up scrapping it away. It might be part of the problem that, a lot of my motivation to make worldbuilding is just because it is a craft in which I can combine all my best skills, but for what? Do I have a story in me that is worth telling? Although I have made progress, that question still haunts me, but I still can’t stop; If I were Sisyphus, this would be my rock.
Worldbuilding dilutes the oneiric qualities of art
Maybe this is the way things have always been, people just spinning yarns, i think people used to just make up stories of their own etc a lot maybe, just round the campfire or whatever
I guess at least its true that those that created the myths would be doing the same thing we are today, if they were alive today
One odd aspect of worldbuilding is the “fandom” or wiki-style webpages that fans create to document the fictional universe they like. Any thoughts on these kinds of websites?
A schizophrenic who was messaging me relentlessly used these fandom wikis quite a bit, which tells me something.
samsara is the og cringe world building, its even depicted as a comics
"It is quite unthinkable that a man can develop his consciousness to such an extent that he can say: I am a man; I count nothing human alien to me.- Carl Gustav Jung lol
worldbuilding may be cringe, but you need to know what cringe is in order to be based
I think most DnD players view their campaigns as theater. It's just play pretend. It gets truly cringe when they talk about their campaign as if their actions actually happened.
I think for artists too, it's good to know what your contemporaries and seniors have created. You can't just base yourself off myths and archetypes, you also have to take into account all of the modern structures and strategies used to create memorable stories. Just because the most popular franchises out there offer a poor representation of the world, doesn't mean new artists can't try again and hope to succeed. Hell, sometimes the fact that it isn't an accurate portrayal of the world is also valuable.
It lets you explore certain archetypes more seriously.
There is some value in escapism, but i understand most people are consuming too much escapism. All in moderation
please upload more content I disagree with, it makes me think
Well, Christians throughout history have declared both theater and DnD satanic because they distract from "reality". So there's that.
3:15 The past is never dead. It's not even past...
Mememan i dreamed i was the antichrist, any thoughts? Also, i get your argument against the impoverishment of myths through pop culture, but honestly, early batman comics inspired me to learn fencing.
So you are saying something like mars is real and khorne is not because mars has been believed by more people and it hasn't been capitalized. I think it is a lot more nuanced than that.
It's real because it exists
I am the demiurge, I hate the antichrist
Immediate upvote for the video title alone.👍😉😆
I think the people who are misguided by what Chris is saying here is that it’s foolish to look to Star Wars or any other form of media and pop culture as source of morality or wisdom. The people of antiquity have already achieved that feat, and it lives on in dramatic recreations.
Hehe Jove actually gets Jovedi... not sure who Jueves is. But in English we went with Thor's day, also Tyr's day, Woden's day, and Freyr's day... because our week is a merging of sun/moon, roman, and norse gods :D
Thats why I love AOT
World building was a second thought and never the focus
"This is a cruel world and I was born into it"
I think what memeanalysis means are those who think worldbuilding only exists within a set limitations of rules or symbols. People across many years dip into these stories like streams and give attention to the best of these myths - and ignore the rest.
What we end up seeing is a collection of edits over a length of time.
World building is cool.
The point wasn't to discuss and kill "world building" its beyond the term, a dismantling. So that you might reconstruct.
The more i learn about the world the more it feels like we are in the early days of the 40K universe, slowly affecting and infecting the warp with our thoughts. Praise Pepe and Harambe.
The problem/ object of criticism should be people who subjugate their desire for the divine creative impulse to these mass-branded, diluted fictional universes.
But we can't write off the significance of these world building endeavors entirely, even if we are not fans ourselves.
The reason is because these worlds in their inception are products of the divine creative impulse you allude to. The fault is not in how /why these popular fictional verses came to be, but rather in how they have been degraded over time and how individuals subordinate their own creative powers within the intellectual creations of other people.
But for the few who who can recognize these creations/fascimilies for what they are as reflections of the greater mysteries "gods" they may still be invaluable stepping stones to fortunate few
And for that potential, world building is fundamentally good, even if some examples/effors are indeed cringe
"Those who collect funco pops and religiously consume blizzard entertainment video games should be hunted for sport" -me
Good video, stuff to re-chew on.
God's playing a game of Warhammer and you are his Exalted Sorcerer on disc of Tzeentch that he painted yesterday evening
not when I do it.
What if the world you build is fully in your head though?
Leave some room for us out here!
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Everything is in your head. All of reality is filtered through your head.
Boy oh boy, please dont put Star Wars at the same level of Warhammer. I own just I little small batch of figurines, but 40k books got me into esotericism and theology when I was a teeenager.
I think there are, most definetly, vulgar examples, but there are also levels of...consumers.
It can be a gateway to so many deeper real life things.
40k is a by committee product! At least Star Wars was the dream of one guy
@@MemeAnalysis pagan myths are by comittee product
@@MemeAnalysis what patrizio said; GW has being a shitty corp since the og's left, yet the fans had kept alive the tradition, regardless of woke nonsense
"Hello, this is coom mage central, stop building epic universes where people search for truth in overwhelming mythos, so I can enjoy the turkish delights from my goth mommy gf."
Can you make a similar video, but instead of focusing on world building, you can focus on literature and cinema as a whole. Books of Neil Gaiman, or films of David Lynch seem to me to be fulfilling a similar purpose to mythical stories. For example, American Gods of Neil Gaiman, or the vast Pantheon of David Lynch in his films and Twin Peaks.
10:28 : woman is overcome with the spirit of the cross