I agree with you lmao. AM5 is the better. However, I think they designed this build to be more "entry level gaming PC without a GPU" than "upgradable PC". If they went with AM4, they would have had to sacrifice more performance which leads to lower numbers and less sales. The minimum CPU someone should buy for AM4 would be a r5 3600, and even at that point theres only the 5000 series to upgrade to. If they went with AM5, it would have been to expensive for someone who wants to try PC gaming. However, they should make a upgradable build with AM5. I agree with how AM5 is better than LGA1700, however, the LGA 1700 can still be decent for someone who wants to start playing some games on a low budget with decent performance. With the i3-12100, you can still upgrade to something like an i5-13600kf in the future(Assuming intel fix the instability issues). I think intel i3s are still solid for low budget builds. However on that note, I think $525 is too much for an i3-12100, 16gb of ram, and a 512gb ssd. A fairer budget would be around $450 to $500 in my opinion. I punched in the specs into pcpartpicker, and it came to around $350 dollars. The average console player who wanted to try PC gaming would have probably picked intel over AMD, so this would grant more sales. I hope we all agree that AM5 is superior right now for upgradability. Also, the fact that they didn't even add a GPU in there is kind of misleading since they advertised it as "ready to game". @ToastyBros, good work, and please explain if I got something wrong. I do hope to see an AM5 build.
I get what you're going for with this build, but the H610 motherboard is a dead-end as far as upgrading is concerned. It doesn't natively support PCIe 4.0, which limits the upgrade path for future GPUs. It also only supports single channel memory profiling and only a has single M.2 slot. The B660 is a far superior option at roughly the same price. (A truly upgradable gaming system would use a Z690 motherboard but, as those run $90-$120 more, I can see sticking to a B660 for a budget build.) As an addendum, it really should be a motherboard with four RAM slots - whether the customer opts for 16GB or 32GB, it leaves two additional slots for future expansion (rather than replacement). Not only do most B660 motherboards come with four RAM slots (plus native dual-channel memory support), they also come with a second M.2 slot for additional expandability. Not going to contest the i3-12100 in any way - it's a potent powerhouse that can fight well above its weight class. While the LGA 1700 is slated to be replaced soon, it currently supports some massively powerful CPUs so there's plenty of room and options for upgrades. (And yes, the stock cooler is plenty for this CPU.) I was initially going to take issue with your choice of PSU (I'd never heard of Zalman before), but it's apparently much better than I anticipated. Not many PSUs in this range with active PCF system! And while I do have concerns that 600 watts is somewhat limiting towards future upgrades, the PSU is easy to replace and doing so certainly wouldn't be an issue given the price of GPUs which would push this threshold. Aside from using an H610 motherboard (a B660 is the absolute bare minimum for an Intel-based gaming PC, IMHO), a surprisingly solid package for the price.
Hey do you think that you could maybe tell me the gpu's on a list or something that i can upgrade it with? im trying to make sure that i get the right ones
That’s a good question so if you ordered 32gb it is most likely going to be 2x16 sticks. And for M.2 slots it has 2. But don’t forget about SATA ports on the motherboard!
The cpu shoulda been ryzen 5 8600g. Gets you in am5 with ddr5 and upgrade path to r7 7800x3d best gaming cpu in history. ryzen 5 8600g just for 40 dollars more on amazon can lead to insanely better upgrade path. I suggest avoiding intel as we dont know how much longer they are gonna last, and their new cpus are know to break and theres an oxidization issue with their chips. Good luck guys stay safe and get away from scammers!
@@Kai_Exploits sorry just now getting back to you. The youtube studio doesn't notify me about replies. We recently made a video about our Upgrade Path Pro version of this PC. That does have the 8600G.
Objective: upgrade path
Picks Intel
Can't be serious
I agree with you lmao. AM5 is the better. However, I think they designed this build to be more "entry level gaming PC without a GPU" than "upgradable PC".
If they went with AM4, they would have had to sacrifice more performance which leads to lower numbers and less sales. The minimum CPU someone should buy for AM4 would be a r5 3600, and even at that point theres only the 5000 series to upgrade to.
If they went with AM5, it would have been to expensive for someone who wants to try PC gaming. However, they should make a upgradable build with AM5.
I agree with how AM5 is better than LGA1700, however, the LGA 1700 can still be decent for someone who wants to start playing some games on a low budget with decent performance. With the i3-12100, you can still upgrade to something like an i5-13600kf in the future(Assuming intel fix the instability issues). I think intel i3s are still solid for low budget builds.
However on that note, I think $525 is too much for an i3-12100, 16gb of ram, and a 512gb ssd. A fairer budget would be around $450 to $500 in my opinion. I punched in the specs into pcpartpicker, and it came to around $350 dollars.
The average console player who wanted to try PC gaming would have probably picked intel over AMD, so this would grant more sales. I hope we all agree that AM5 is superior right now for upgradability.
Also, the fact that they didn't even add a GPU in there is kind of misleading since they advertised it as "ready to game". @ToastyBros, good work, and please explain if I got something wrong. I do hope to see an AM5 build.
Good job Zach. Good job of the overall breakdown of the staple builds by PCBros.
I get what you're going for with this build, but the H610 motherboard is a dead-end as far as upgrading is concerned. It doesn't natively support PCIe 4.0, which limits the upgrade path for future GPUs. It also only supports single channel memory profiling and only a has single M.2 slot.
The B660 is a far superior option at roughly the same price. (A truly upgradable gaming system would use a Z690 motherboard but, as those run $90-$120 more, I can see sticking to a B660 for a budget build.) As an addendum, it really should be a motherboard with four RAM slots - whether the customer opts for 16GB or 32GB, it leaves two additional slots for future expansion (rather than replacement). Not only do most B660 motherboards come with four RAM slots (plus native dual-channel memory support), they also come with a second M.2 slot for additional expandability.
Not going to contest the i3-12100 in any way - it's a potent powerhouse that can fight well above its weight class. While the LGA 1700 is slated to be replaced soon, it currently supports some massively powerful CPUs so there's plenty of room and options for upgrades. (And yes, the stock cooler is plenty for this CPU.)
I was initially going to take issue with your choice of PSU (I'd never heard of Zalman before), but it's apparently much better than I anticipated. Not many PSUs in this range with active PCF system! And while I do have concerns that 600 watts is somewhat limiting towards future upgrades, the PSU is easy to replace and doing so certainly wouldn't be an issue given the price of GPUs which would push this threshold.
Aside from using an H610 motherboard (a B660 is the absolute bare minimum for an Intel-based gaming PC, IMHO), a surprisingly solid package for the price.
That’s fair we actually been looking into the mobo swap for a while. It depends on consistency in stock we can get. Thanks for the comment
That's an awesome deep dive! And cool to see the customization options🔥
Thanks! We are happy with how our builds have turned out this year :D
Hey do you think that you could maybe tell me the gpu's on a list or something that i can upgrade it with? im trying to make sure that i get the right ones
and maybe if you can give me amazon links, thanks
Does the Mobo have 4 ram slots for upgrade to 32 GB later?
And how many empty M.2 slots are there for future upgrades?
That’s a good question so if you ordered 32gb it is most likely going to be 2x16 sticks. And for M.2 slots it has 2. But don’t forget about SATA ports on the motherboard!
If you buy it every thing to make it work come white it so you don’t have to buy parts
It's nice that you're not using the Apple model of pricing when adding additional RAM and storage.
The cpu shoulda been ryzen 5 8600g. Gets you in am5 with ddr5 and upgrade path to r7 7800x3d best gaming cpu in history. ryzen 5 8600g just for 40 dollars more on amazon can lead to insanely better upgrade path. I suggest avoiding intel as we dont know how much longer they are gonna last, and their new cpus are know to break and theres an oxidization issue with their chips. Good luck guys stay safe and get away from scammers!
We do have a build with the 8600G
@@PCBrosTech Oh nice im big fan of the channel. Where is the build video or link?
@@Kai_Exploits sorry just now getting back to you. The youtube studio doesn't notify me about replies. We recently made a video about our Upgrade Path Pro version of this PC. That does have the 8600G.
@@PCBrosTech its ok. Thanks tho ill see the video
I’m trolling but this is an amazing pc
512 is not more than enough why do you keep saying that lol you really sell on the more than enough and any words usage lol
$55 to upgrade to 1tb when the 1tb drive cost $55 is crazy