Straw story- I've heard similar issues of straw being used as mulch and the wheat seeds becoming weeds. We combat this by running ducks over the mulch and they love eating the wheat berries, you can't leave them or they will eventually eat the plants, but we will fill the duck pasture with straw, let them eat and poop on it (free fertilizer) and then take the straw and use it as mulch and the plants love it.
This is a great subject. And, yes, planning is so important for any perennial planting. I'd suggest maybe reading a few forest gardening books too for design patterns etc. Note that for wind breaks, trees are said to provide protection for 10 times their height.
I didn’t know it was actually a thing but my small market garden is actually integrated in to my orchard. I started the orchard first . Didn’t exactly get them in perfectly straight rows so as a result my beds are all 30 inch but some of my paths are well narrow. When I was planning my orchard I had no idea that I would be planting lettuce in rows between them. As much as the vegetables may benefit from trees being in the system. My experience is that my trees have benefited greatly from the vegetable gardens . All of my fertility comes from compost and cover crops . Trees are deeply mulched with wood chips.
Love your channel and I don’t usually comment. But I felt compelled to in this case. I have trees around some of my annual crops and I have had to dig many trenches to stop roots invading my beds sucking out all the nutrients and water.
Yes- definitely can be a major disadvantage so not sure why it wasn't mentioned in vid. If using trees to provide shade, they're certainly close enough for roots to infiltrate your annual crop beds. Would be especially problematic if no-till.
What I have found is that tree roots don't lile to grow upwards. They will basically never grow more than 10-20cm upwards. Use this slow or completely prevent roots from invading.
I have a variety of fruit and ornamental trees here in Vancouver BC. None were well behaved but I would have to say cherry was the worst. My trenches had to be two feet deep with barriers to stop roots from coming in. I would find large roots down that deep and then follow them up into my beds making a solid mass of feeder roots. Of course they seek out that good rich soil you’ve worked so hard to make. Oh and that trench had better be very wide because those roots will circle around and back in.
That’s why I stopped using wheat straw. Here in northern California rice straw and wheat straw are both readily available. Rice straw tends to have less weed seeds. Rice straw is also finer, so it matts together to cover the soil better. Also rice is not roundup ready so it’s not sprayed with roundup near harvest. Most wheat around here is roundup ready and it is sprayed when it is young and also right before harvest a lot of times.
I promoted silviculture in The Gambia in a remote, undisclosed upcountry location (amongst other related things) (as an agroforestry PCV in '97-99) Love, love love your channel. LMK if you want to discuss further ! P.S. still planting trees today.
Congrats on the soccer win! I've been tying with this idea for a long time.. Glad to find some guidance! I agree... Silvohorticulture could be termed better. :) Funny, as I was harvesting potatoes today I thought to myself "Well what did we learn this year?" This is an entirely new farming plot to me... and I've learned a LOT about both that piece of land and growing potatoes up at a larger scale among many other things. Yes, exactly.. always driving the elements I enjoy and time choices as a MAJOR metric! This is especially important as I am a one-man show and have been for most of my farming time. cheers! We're always enjoying it! 🌱
I've been using straw as mulch for years and have never had a big issue with the seeds. It's gotten so expensive, though, plus I worry about pesticide. I decided to try to experiment with growing my own straw and sowed einkorn in fall 2023 and oats in spring 2024. It went pretty well, so I sowed even more einkorn this year.
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I've been a nerd longer than Jesse has been alive - so I can relate. 🙂 I really like his advice and his method of researching, planning, and implementing. I'm a couple of decades older so time constraints and physical ability dictate that I can't recover from mistakes as easily as in the past. We're retiring to our house and land in north Georgia next year and we have similar soil and climate as Kentucky (red clay and zone 7A), so your advice is very applicable. My brother and I built a fenced-in market garden and a food forest, so I'll be growing a lot in the coming years. We just plan to use the produce ourselves or give it away to family, friends, and neighbors. No selling - so what do you call a market garden if you don't sell at a market? -Stefan P.S.: This daily series is great. I've watched all of them since day 1. I joined your Patreon today.
We are in the forest, and we do have to pay attention to shade for the veggies, but if it were not for the trees I would not be able to keep any grazing grass when it is above 90F. We have had 2 months of over 100F for the last 3 summers. They save the grass and the chicken tractors. Pine needles and oak leaves are a huge pain however. Thanks for the Show!
On the topic of silvohorticulture, I recommend watching the work of Coringa Agrofloresta, from the northeast region of Brazil! They planted in a region where there was pure sand and everyone said it would be impossible to grow in such poor soil. An excellent video is: "huerta gestión da safa". It's a pity that it doesn't have subtitles and the automatic subtitles in English are completely incorrect.
I’ve been using Moringa trees for shading. Works very very well. I reckon they’ll grow just fine in KY in the summer, which is when you need the shade anyway.
Getting kinda Permacultish :-) Love seeing this concept developing in another angle. I've been in drought for 3 years and really seeing shade or partial shade seems essential as a way to deal with variations.
Me too. Although I have heard it mentioned before I believe by JM Fortier. Savory has inspired many. I have seen incredible results after training with Jodi Roebuck
Just curious, I'm still in the planning phase, would you be able to use the NRCS grant for wind-break trees to cover some of the cost when implementing this Silvohortoculture? I am in California this may not be offered by all states. Love what you do! Keep up the great work.
I'd start with contacting your Resource Conservation District. Maybe dig around the USDA website. The County Conservation Districts around me (Michigan) have spring plant and tree sales that offer a decent value compared to standard retail. Don't underestimate growing trees/plants from seed. That's let me do some really fun stuff for almost no cost.
re: straw. I assume most straw farmers are not too concerned with seeds. I think the straw I get is oat straw and it always has seeds. I've grown enough cereal rye over the years to know that if you take it at milk stage the seeds will not be viable, I assume this is true for wheat and oats as well. I'm curious if there are straw farmers who harvest in this window.
My latest decision making surrounds how I can get others to do things for me.. I.e. I am just starting with 6 - 30x100 beds so I think I’ll put a fake artifact in the field and tell some archeologists so they come in go thru all the soil and get rid of the rocks???? - sorry…
I don't think the words is that big a problem. Silvohorticulture IS a mouthful, but heres the trick- If you are encountering this word it's probably because you already know terms like food forest or even silvopasture, since it's more common. But we have the word silvopasture because a food forest, from concept to execution, is a complicated, complex thing. We need words to discuss the principles at play in different situations. What is your orimary concern? Mixing trees with Animals? Or with garden beds? I hope to see more clunky academic terms pop up. For intercropping specific things, say grazing animals where you have lots of ponds, basins and channels. Or specifically running fowl and small ruminants for a sort of maximized micro grazing operation We need terms for when you do these things with or without shrubs, are we discussing fruit trees or nuts? There's just so many ways to come at this and everyone of them needs more study and to have that knowledge codified
Straw story- I've heard similar issues of straw being used as mulch and the wheat seeds becoming weeds. We combat this by running ducks over the mulch and they love eating the wheat berries, you can't leave them or they will eventually eat the plants, but we will fill the duck pasture with straw, let them eat and poop on it (free fertilizer) and then take the straw and use it as mulch and the plants love it.
This is a great subject.
And, yes, planning is so important for any perennial planting. I'd suggest maybe reading a few forest gardening books too for design patterns etc.
Note that for wind breaks, trees are said to provide protection for 10 times their height.
That is a very good reminder on the straw seed. Often times I am still learning things the hard way.
I am definitely enjoying these daily podcasts.
I love ALL No-Till Growers videos!
Me too!
I admire your dedication
I didn’t know it was actually a thing but my small market garden is actually integrated in to my orchard. I started the orchard first . Didn’t exactly get them in perfectly straight rows so as a result my beds are all 30 inch but some of my paths are well narrow. When I was planning my orchard I had no idea that I would be planting lettuce in rows between them. As much as the vegetables may benefit from trees being in the system. My experience is that my trees have benefited greatly from the vegetable gardens . All of my fertility comes from compost and cover crops . Trees are deeply mulched with wood chips.
Love your channel and I don’t usually comment. But I felt compelled to in this case. I have trees around some of my annual crops and I have had to dig many trenches to stop roots invading my beds sucking out all the nutrients and water.
My experience too.
Yes- definitely can be a major disadvantage so not sure why it wasn't mentioned in vid. If using trees to provide shade, they're certainly close enough for roots to infiltrate your annual crop beds. Would be especially problematic if no-till.
What I have found is that tree roots don't lile to grow upwards. They will basically never grow more than 10-20cm upwards. Use this slow or completely prevent roots from invading.
Thanks for the comment! Are there trees that you have and have not had trouble with?
I have a variety of fruit and ornamental trees here in Vancouver BC. None were well behaved but I would have to say cherry was the worst. My trenches had to be two feet deep with barriers to stop roots from coming in. I would find large roots down that deep and then follow them up into my beds making a solid mass of feeder roots. Of course they seek out that good rich soil you’ve worked so hard to make. Oh and that trench had better be very wide because those roots will circle around and back in.
Glad you took a video of your talk😀
Quality is fine Jessie, it’s the content 😀🙏
That’s why I stopped using wheat straw. Here in northern California rice straw and wheat straw are both readily available. Rice straw tends to have less weed seeds. Rice straw is also finer, so it matts together to cover the soil better. Also rice is not roundup ready so it’s not sprayed with roundup near harvest. Most wheat around here is roundup ready and it is sprayed when it is young and also right before harvest a lot of times.
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Sorry KC.
I’ve was a soccer coach, referee or player for 40 years!
Absolutely enjoy every episode.
Thanks for your time and energy!
Thank you for this topic! I look forward to future videos on this subject
thanks for what you do Jesse
I promoted silviculture in The Gambia in a remote, undisclosed upcountry location (amongst other related things) (as an agroforestry PCV in '97-99) Love, love love your channel. LMK if you want to discuss further ! P.S. still planting trees today.
I really appreciate your videos. I find them very informative and even motivational.
Great name, and I think I am already doing it. I just called it "gardening in the woods. "
Congrats on the soccer win! I've been tying with this idea for a long time.. Glad to find some guidance! I agree... Silvohorticulture could be termed better. :) Funny, as I was harvesting potatoes today I thought to myself "Well what did we learn this year?" This is an entirely new farming plot to me... and I've learned a LOT about both that piece of land and growing potatoes up at a larger scale among many other things. Yes, exactly.. always driving the elements I enjoy and time choices as a MAJOR metric! This is especially important as I am a one-man show and have been for most of my farming time. cheers! We're always enjoying it! 🌱
David the Good's grocery row gardening sounds like a silvohortoculture version. Seems to work great.
I've been using straw as mulch for years and have never had a big issue with the seeds. It's gotten so expensive, though, plus I worry about pesticide. I decided to try to experiment with growing my own straw and sowed einkorn in fall 2023 and oats in spring 2024. It went pretty well, so I sowed even more einkorn this year.
Always enjoyable and always learn things Thank you and God Bless
I love that you support your local NWSL team.
Also, they have great jerseys / design.
Right!? Love those kits every year.
My Sundays are always church, then "Hey Nerds..." and now my every day is lunch and bible study then "Hey Nerds...". Thanks for helping make my whole week awesome!
Thank you for all you do
I've been a nerd longer than Jesse has been alive - so I can relate. 🙂 I really like his advice and his method of researching, planning, and implementing. I'm a couple of decades older so time constraints and physical ability dictate that I can't recover from mistakes as easily as in the past. We're retiring to our house and land in north Georgia next year and we have similar soil and climate as Kentucky (red clay and zone 7A), so your advice is very applicable. My brother and I built a fenced-in market garden and a food forest, so I'll be growing a lot in the coming years. We just plan to use the produce ourselves or give it away to family, friends, and neighbors. No selling - so what do you call a market garden if you don't sell at a market?
-Stefan
P.S.: This daily series is great. I've watched all of them since day 1. I joined your Patreon today.
We are in the forest, and we do have to pay attention to shade for the veggies, but if it were not for the trees I would not be able to keep any grazing grass when it is above 90F. We have had 2 months of over 100F for the last 3 summers. They save the grass and the chicken tractors. Pine needles and oak leaves are a huge pain however. Thanks for the Show!
This is my life goal
On the topic of silvohorticulture, I recommend watching the work of Coringa Agrofloresta, from the northeast region of Brazil! They planted in a region where there was pure sand and everyone said it would be impossible to grow in such poor soil. An excellent video is: "huerta gestión da safa". It's a pity that it doesn't have subtitles and the automatic subtitles in English are completely incorrect.
I’ve been using Moringa trees for shading. Works very very well. I reckon they’ll grow just fine in KY in the summer, which is when you need the shade anyway.
Getting kinda Permacultish :-) Love seeing this concept developing in another angle. I've been in drought for 3 years and really seeing shade or partial shade seems essential as a way to deal with variations.
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Thanks man
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that allan savory bit just blew my mind.. been studying his work for years and had no idea he was politically/militarily involved in apartheid.. damn.
Me too. Although I have heard it mentioned before I believe by JM Fortier. Savory has inspired many. I have seen incredible results after training with Jodi Roebuck
Just curious, I'm still in the planning phase, would you be able to use the NRCS grant for wind-break trees to cover some of the cost when implementing this Silvohortoculture? I am in California this may not be offered by all states.
Love what you do! Keep up the great work.
I'd start with contacting your Resource Conservation District. Maybe dig around the USDA website. The County Conservation Districts around me (Michigan) have spring plant and tree sales that offer a decent value compared to standard retail. Don't underestimate growing trees/plants from seed. That's let me do some really fun stuff for almost no cost.
@lizflores4142 I'm also in California, Half Moon Bay Area, south of San Francisco and north of Santa Cruz!
@@kurkdockins-catalano4966 Beautiful area. I'm out in Joshua Tree by Palm Springs.
I'd recommend silv"uh"horticulture, much more manageable and the weak form of the syllable will appear eventually anyway
re: straw. I assume most straw farmers are not too concerned with seeds. I think the straw I get is oat straw and it always has seeds. I've grown enough cereal rye over the years to know that if you take it at milk stage the seeds will not be viable, I assume this is true for wheat and oats as well. I'm curious if there are straw farmers who harvest in this window.
The biggest problem with Silvohorriculture is definitely the name.
Crush on , don't think major aspects
My latest decision making surrounds how I can get others to do things for me.. I.e. I am just starting with 6 - 30x100 beds so I think I’ll put a fake artifact in the field and tell some archeologists so they come in go thru all the soil and get rid of the rocks???? - sorry…
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I don't think the words is that big a problem. Silvohorticulture IS a mouthful, but heres the trick-
If you are encountering this word it's probably because you already know terms like food forest or even silvopasture, since it's more common. But we have the word silvopasture because a food forest, from concept to execution, is a complicated, complex thing. We need words to discuss the principles at play in different situations. What is your orimary concern? Mixing trees with Animals? Or with garden beds?
I hope to see more clunky academic terms pop up. For intercropping specific things, say grazing animals where you have lots of ponds, basins and channels. Or specifically running fowl and small ruminants for a sort of maximized micro grazing operation
We need terms for when you do these things with or without shrubs, are we discussing fruit trees or nuts?
There's just so many ways to come at this and everyone of them needs more study and to have that knowledge codified
Savory's claims about carbon capture for regenerative farming with a livestock element are highly dubious too, by the way.
Alan savory has all the knowledge and facts to back up his claims. What do you have?
@@devinsullivan7233 See George Monbiot's debates with him. I'm afraid it really doesn't stack up.
Please read George Monbiot's critiques. It doesn't add up, based on the evidence I've seen.
@@karlsapp7134 Of course it's better than other practices, but that's just anecdata and the claims about carbon capture are a different matter.