Honestly I would never. I plan to make my own cartoon in the future and I want my involvement to be worth it. The modern state of animation has really gone downhill and this is one of the things that contribute to it. It’s really ruining the charm.
When you said “53 episodes” I immediately thought “Wow so like 4, 5 seasons? That’s not that short.” I forgot that that was in 2004 when cartoons had seasons that had more than 10 episodes. Miss those days…
I hate the whole 9 episode season thing now, it feels like a drought even though were drowning in content (i think its the streaming era problem, everything being released at once instead of week by week to allow time for creation)
As someone who was a preteen/teen during DP’s run, it’s shocking to hear it called a “flop” because everyone I knew watched the show and was obsessed with it. I was always watching the reruns even if there weren’t many episodes, the first two seasons were just SO good.
the irony of the follow-up comic IMMEDIATELY retconning almost the entirety of the original finale almost 20 years after it originally aired is jaw-dropping.
Yeah, tbh, I didn't care for that direction the comic went in. We've gotten enough of him hiding his identity in the show itself, it would have been interesting to see plots revolving around him being known. But no. 🙄
The retcon looks like it was mainly made to have a reason to move forward with Danny's story. Phantom Planet pretty much left very little to explore as everyone knows who Danny is and all the ghosts are more cordial.
I think the reason why "13" is episode 14 is because of the pilot. They treated the pilot as a pilot that was also slapped onto season 1. It's also why Rick and Morty has 11 episodes in it's first season and not 10 compared to the other ones.
From what I remember, the writers and producers came to an impasse about how Danny's story was going to be moving forward past season 2. The writers wanted Danny to grow up over time while the producers wanted Danny Phantom to be the brother show of Fairly Odd Parents. That meaning, Danny would stay fourteen forever like how Timmy stays 10(right?) forever. This caused some of the original writers to leave entirely after season 2. Then season 3 came and it flopped pretty hard. If i remember correctly, they canceled the show about half way through the season. Or I could be misremembering things, it's been awhile.
Danny Phantom was already set for cancellation in the middle of season 2, which is why the assumption of The Ultimate Enemy going over budget with less profit than promised is one of the more plausible theories. News of the cancellation hit fans so hard that they literally had picket protests outside the studio. Also iirc there were also some changes in the network's executive employment that also changed the direction of where they wanted the channel to take as far as what shows to host (which is why you see shows much later like TLOK suffer early despite its predecessor's monumental success)- basically mass produce and air the most popular shows and take on other cartoons of a similar skin and more episodic ones. Due to fan pressure and Butch begging for at least finishing the show with a final season and concluding series finale, the network granted Butch a limited budget and half a season's worth of episodes. Butch was hoping for the series to come back from cancellation status like FOP did but it of course failed miserably and Nickelodeon was dead set on ending the show. It's rumored that the original writers left due to creative differences, which isn't farfetched, they don't exactly speak much about Butch even though they make it clear they loved the series, and Steve Marmel did say at a time he was hoping the series would become more serialized and mature like how other productions are experimenting with kids' media (hinthintATLA), but Butch's desperation to please the network by doing basically the opposite caused them to exit considering they had no hope for the show to continue anyway PLUS the staff had to be decreased anyway since they now had less budget to work with. So the prominent staff leaving was a mix of not agreeing with following the direction the show would be going and self-preservation since they'd be losing their jobs anyway. As much as I really dislike Butch and think Danny Phantom is better off in the hands of someone else entirely, I do think it's cruel with Nickelodeon refuses to sell it to anyone else, even the creator himself, knowing that they weren't going to actually do anything with it. And even present day, it's pretty limited to graphic novels as its future. It's unlikely they'll do an animated revival because it isn't as big a success as their other shows despite having a massive cult following. Like...there are definitely prospective showrunners that would want to pick this up and take it to a new platform, but it's stuck in Nickelodeon property jail to rot.
While Butch Hartman WAS a huge part of Danny Phantom, I would like to point out that after the pilot, and before season 3, he has only one co-writing credit and one story credit, both in early season 1. And while he also has directing and storyboarding credits on every episode, storyboard artist John Fontain recently confirmed that if Butch changed just one storyboard panel, he would still had to be credited as a director and a storyboard artist
Thank you, I did feel like Mark was reaching hard to give Hartman his fair due, but I remember the research the phandom did back in the early 2010's and this checks out heavily.
@@Ryusola I feel like his attitude towards him changed when he interviewed him. If you watched the interview, you can tell butch seems really nice and respectful which is completely different from how hes usually portrayed. That combined with his more gentile and respective look he gives things now. he probably wants to see the good in him and give him a huge benefit of the doubt. I really don't blame him at all.
@@micjimster4845 And that is absolutely his right to try and portray to keep his integrity, but sadly I've heard alot of dismissal of ideas that don't gel with his lifestyle choices and extreme motivation to suppress creative voices of those who helped get him where he was. Which is extremely saddening to hear. His streak of unpleasent-ness stemming from steel held belief is a trait he's never tried to dispel or wash off in many circles and it sits uncomfortably in the room of people who come from all walks of life. Coming off as nice in a video is easy. Being geuninely nice is real task.
I actually never realized that I watched every single episode as a kid. In my mind it was so big. This video also reminded me how much Danny Phantom ment for me as a kid, thank you Mark.
As a Phan, I think a lot of the staying power of DP (20 years since it began!) is that there's so much dark shit that isn't talked about. The deeper you dig into the Phandom the more you get things like "hey this kid is actually half-dead and his parents want to actively dissect him" and "how would being half-ghost actually change the way Danny acts" and other such things like that. The staying power is looking deeper into the things the show couldn't do, and because of that I think making a new animated series would go horrible for everyone. It's never going to live up to the nostalgia, it's not going to live up to phandom ideals, and it's just annoying to see so many old beloved series get regurgitated based solely on the idea that "hey you watched this growing up! See? We made more!" and it sucking ass. I watched the show as an adult, and even still it rearranged my molecules and it's fantastic to see how much love DP gets even now. There's so many events and things that they hold; the current one in April is known as Phic Phight and it's basically like art fight but with fanfic! It's a very lively fandom despite how long the show has been dead, but hey, that's what the show is all about, isn't it?
@@thelaurenbox9487 oh boy do I! Phantom of Truth is the go-to, it rearranged my brain forever. Shift by Captain Ozone is another favorite of mine! Don’t be scared by the word count it uses all of them effectively and I devoured it in two days. Anything by Phantomrose96 is a guaranteed hit. The college shenanigans au by princessFanona is a classic. I’ve got my own stuff on ao3 as gladiatorAviator (currently two phics, but I’m working on more). I hope this is a good list to start with!
Nickelodeon had a golden goose on their plate they didn't take care of it they didn't fed it or clean it like with every show they have that's not Spongebob
i think you could've just not mentioned the whole Randy Stair thing tbh, it made for a very weird and uncomfortable tonal shift that didn't really add anything to the video except a few extra minutes of padding... just my two cents as a casual subscriber. i enjoyed learning the Butch Hartman lore though 👍
I'm a bit bummed that Mark didn't mention the name of the author for the recent DP graphic novel, Gabriela Epstein. She's credited for writing AND illustrating the entirety of the book. It was not a "team" per se. Although Killian Ng is credited for backgrounds and colors, Gabriela deserves so many accolades for the comic being such a strong return for the franchise.
Fun fact: Mary Kay Bergman, Timmy's original voice actress, died by suicide...what? That's not fun at all? Then why did Butch Hartman laugh in front of Tara's face while saying it? 😌
Butch Hartman edited that part out from the podcast he originally said that in, but of course the internet archived that clip before he made said edit. The internet in general is quick to specifically clip or archive people saying inappropriate stuff, especially about suicide, just to make them look like a complete monster.
David Kaufman also voiced Dexter Douglas in Freakazoid!, meaning that he's played two teenage boys who can transform into superheroes. Kind of a neat coincidence really.
“He wasn’t even on fairly odd parents until season 2!” You mean the season where the art style changed to its much more distinct and well known style that’s also seen in Danny Phantom?
As someone who's watched the show from start to finish when they were a kid, I agree with a lot of your points Mark. Danny Phantom was popular but had the misfortune of being in an era where tv producers were more concerned with cost & ratings rather than quality. One of the main reasons ATLA stuck around for so long, was because it was a juggernaut in viewership! That's why it was able to afford such an ensemble voice cast, magnificent art & animation, and a stellar series finale. Why it's STILL held in such high regard even today. Whereas Danny Phantom suffered from internal & external issues because of the many points you stated. I never realized how much ire fans & critics held for season 3 until recent years. Overall, I still don't hate the way show ended, I just wish it got a much more proper sendoff.
Fun fact: in the Netherlands, we didn't had season 3. And I don't remember the final episode/special of S2. So as far we know, the last episode was that evil Danny Phantom/Vlad special
@@xavierjuno4572 Butch created a whole line of merchandise to promote the show that he pitched to the network. But unfortunately, his products were a total bomb and failed to sell. So there'd be major consequences. After the executives found out about the merchandise flops. Nickelodeon became very angry at Butch. They said that his merchandise flops and overspending on celebrity guests had deemed Danny Phantom a failure. And there was only one logical thing to do, CANCEL Danny Phantom completely
"what was the original reason if we assume Danny cheating was just Evil Danny?" Ahhh the bootstrap paradox, it's a loop, you'll keep back tracking to the same answer never getting any closer to the "start" as far as the timeline is concerned, this was always the sequence of events. Evil Danny was always supposed to be here as a self fulfilling fixed point. Which begs the question, who actually wrote Beethoven's Fifth?
A really simple rewrite or that final episode would change a lot in season 3 finale, get rid of the asteroid. Have vlad be creating another Danny clone, he's peered into the future and seen evil Danny, seen the power he could have, he became mayor to observe Danny, to gather DNA, to find a way of unlocking Danny's true powers. Then like you said, have Sam and Tucker keep fighting ghosts, but without a now powerless Danny, evil Danny is reborn thanks to Vlad, vlad thinks he can control him, but its too much power for him to absorb, and gets consumed. Evil danny is out to destroy the world by pulling the ghost zone into the real world, tearing both from the fabric of reality. he's found and is going to kill Sam and Tucker knowing the real danny can never stop him without going ghost, Danny jumps in the way of the shockwave blast aimed at his friends, and dies. Sam is devastated. Going Ghost. Danny phantom leaps out of a dead danny, going toe to toe with his evil counterpart. Eventually gaining the upper hand thanks to his long time enemy ghosts pulled though from the ghost zone. Evil danny is beaten down and sucked into a flask tucker has opened. The day is saved. But danny is not. He's full ghost now, and with the portal to the ghost zone rupturing reality so badly the ghosts can no longer stay in the human world, he must leave. He says a heartbreaking goodbye to his friends and family, finally confessing his feelings to Sam, and leaving with the other ghosts. Cut to a few years later tucker, Sam, and the fentoms are working in a lab, a familiar portal is finally finished, it's powered on and a silhouette of danny is shown coming though. The end.
1:06:38 Mark danielle was inspired by x 23, wolverine's clone and also by ben reilly spiderman's clone That episode was inspired by the infamous clone saga, but good this time
Quick note on Urban Jungle. While it was just a ‘normal episode’ it was a really hyped up normal episode because it’s where Danny gets another new ability in Cryokinesis. I remember the commercials for that episode playing it up even more than the specials.
There was also a Danny Phantom crossover short featuring all the shows butch created with all the characters coming out of the ghost zone. The Fairly Odd Parents, T.U.F.F. Puppy, and that other show I forgot.
Brain almost hemorrhaged after hearing you didn't give Avatar the time of day. I'm definitely one of THOSE fans for the show, but I'll just say you should check it out mark. it was life changing for me in my formative years, and is an amazing show for young teens because it goes over themes of self identity, the burdens placed on their children by parents, figuring out who you truly are and what makes you happy, etc. It's an amazing show even as an adult. I've watched it at least 4 times and I'm actually on my fifth as this video came out lol
I’m really loving these massive videos going over a specific show/movie series, it would be cool if in the future Mark covered the other big Nickelodeon shows, like Jimmy Neutron, Rugrats or ATLA
It’s crazy to see how Butch Hartman created such an iconic a show next to the fairly odd parents part of my childhood only to just get involved in the writers space that made them cancel it in the first place by rushing the last season to which the show should’ve had a 4th season. But safe to say that at least it didn’t suffer the same fate odd parents did by the hands of nick executives.
Slightly unrelated to the show, when I saw that you brought up the games, I had the most unprecedented nostalgia trip I've ever had in my existence. We bought the first game back when "Gamestop" actually had stores and I'd swap between this and the "Sonic Advance" games religiously. Honestly? Thank you for that. I already had a small history with the show but that just connected a few more pieces within my life that I had just completely forgotten about. Jesus, dude.
Why do youtubers seem to think unreadably fast text is the funniest thing ever? All it does is halt the flow as you back up the video and try to pause in time to catch what was said.
@@Lampent12 Yea, I’ve started doing that now too. It’s usually not even anything important, just them basically responding to what they themselves say in the video.
Midnight mark (or ls midnight, as I like to call it) is genuinely one of the best things you have ever done, I’ve never been able to fall asleep as comfortably and happily. Before I’d just turn on your ranking videos, now I can have it all 😭😭 thank you so much mark and editor ❤️
I fuckin LOVE this show (until season 3 💀) and just recently got back into the phandom, there's so many awesome headcannons and alternate universe ideas that end up way cooler than canon lmao Also Nicktoons Unite was PEAK
Danny Phantom is my favorite Butch Hartman show and is one of my favorite cartoons of all time. As much as we mock Butch Hartman's style, you can clearly tell he's a fan of comic books, and thia show has that early Spider-Man vibe down back.
I find it hilarious that in pointing out Butch's insensitivity you talked about the Kangaroo in "Africa" when it's actually a scene of Australian Aboriginals. If this was intentional satire of the kind of person who gets seriously offended at minor issues I applaud it, if not I still enjoyed the irony.
Y’know, even though the final season of this show did kinda drag (the final episode especially), you gotta give this show credit for ending when it needed to, unlike a certain other Butch show. Overall though, still a great show and definitely up there with all the other classic NickToons
if i had a nickel for every time a cartoon youtuber made a hour+ long detailing how butch Hartman's career went off the rails and corrupted his own works i'd have two nickels which isn't a lot bit its weird that it happened twice
Thank god others are hearing the G. I really don’t know how people can’t hear that he’s saying young. There’s a very obvious g sound to be heard when he’s rapping that part.
16:41 nah I hear young, and I've always corrected people when they said young, but now that you've replayed it back to back I genuinely hear young, dj dwreck (the rapper, yes the very same from wild n out, iykyk) doesn't pronounce it properly but you can absolutely hear the "ung" part if you listen closely
Butch Hartman: "Don't fight back against your bullies, or you might become one, yourself. I can't express this enough, if someone is tracing your artw-I mean bullying you, don't do anything."
Let's go I discovered the channel recently and I've been binging all your old videos and ive watched them all so now i actually gotta wait for you to make new videos 😭
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Phantom fans who would rather see this superhero ghost and his pals return to TV or in other streaming services for a long and rather overdue revival, help further the chances via signing and sharing out the "Bring Back Danny Phantom" petition. Just avoid the donating part.
I know there's the novel "A Glitch in Time" but I'm kinda disappointed on how it ended. Not to mention it excluded Danielle from the action and she hasn't even become part of Danny's family as Hartman had hoped to have done ages ago had the show been able to continue after Season 3. And it currently remains debatable if the novel and its upcoming sequel's storylines are officially canon to the show's continuity for the novel had a few flaws on how it tried to connect to some of the past episodes of the series.
My only experience with Danny phantom was this video I came across when I was a kid, and it was him going to Spectra's office and it cuts into her "cheering" him up and I thought it was an actual episode lmfao
It was probably a censorship thing, I imagine. Wouldn't be surprised if Nick thought this would only last a season and so let them play off the ghost angles, but once it became clear it was a hit went "Uh yeah... Butch, tell them they aren't ghosts or YOUR FIRED!" I dunno why I pictured a Nick exec as Benson lol Point is as much as I don't like Butch and how he acts, he probably was forced by Nick to say they aren't ghosts.
It's so weird hearing Danny Phantom being described as an underperforing raitings flop But also realizing that in the cable era, an underperforming show could still get 40, 52, or even 65 episodes, while now in the streaming era, it would get canned after 10
Exactly because you know how Timmy's Fairies in the early seasons were supposed to be a secret? And how later on in the show's run and during its final season the fairies were blatantly shown infront of Timmy's dad? I feel like if Danny Phantom would've kept running Butch and some writers would've said "screw it" with Danny's secret identity and have him go ghost blatantly infront of his dad or anyone else if Danny Phantom would've had later seasons.
@@AnymMusicEh, I don't care either way! I do like this one better, though! It's fits this show so well specifically than the art style for FOP would've! It's just so out of place, plus it also works better for the show, since it's an action show and not just regular episodic comedy with some continuity here and there like FOP! But yeah, much better here, though!
Say what you want about the finale, but I loved seeing Vlad overplaying his hand and revealing to Jack just how much he hated him, and his desires to take Maddie for himself, only to find out that he couldn't stop the asteroid and had revealed himself to the world for nothing, leaving his fate in Jack's hands, who up until then had only shown Vlad genuine kindness. "You wouldn't turn your back on an old friend, would you?" "An old friend? No. You? Yes."
It’s the only good scene in the finale in my opinion. It is fitting to see the man that had everything and still bitched about it finally getting what he deserved: to be left alone by the one guy who cared about him. Vlad could have had a very loving friendship with Jack in spite of everything but chose not to. And it’s fitting for me that Vlad’s fate is to be alone with nothing.
Yeah, though his plan was stupid even if it did if you think about it, he threats the whole world with this asteroid to become there ruler and 500 billion dollars (why would you need that if you are already ruler of the world?) but what’s stopping everyone from just ignoring the deal once the asteroid has safely passed by?
34:27 Those aren't meant to be Africans, they're meant to be Australian Aboriginals, hence the Kangaroo. I actually found their inclusion pretty cool, especially for 2004 since that's a whole people group and culture that doesn't get mentioned very often, especially outside of Australia. If anything, the portrayal of Japan from the same episode is a lot more offensive.
i will always laugh at the fact that stephen silver literally sold commissions on his website for danny phantom styled characters. *and he sold them for $100, and they looked way better than butch's newer commissions.* makes me wonder if stephen was so pissed at butch's commissions that he just decided to give those who wanted more accurate styled commissions what they truly wanted for less than triple what butch sold lmao
Oh yeah! I forgot Stephen Silver was the one who is ACTUALLY responsible for the iconic FOP style. Also does anyone else get pissed off by Butch's choice of colours, i dunno why he doesn't just copy colours from the screenshots of FOP, the neon saturated look is just absolutely ugly.
@@phabiorules We did and its heavily opinionated, but anyone and anyone whos actuaclly been on forums and discussed and did their own research back in the day (2010 was a hive for this stuff, and I'm not about to spend a week way-backing and trying to recover it all) knows the truth sadly. Mark didn't do the utter batshit indepth research and QA some fans did back in the day, but we do remember. Silver at the end of the day is the better artist and refined all of Hartmans work, thats not to say he didn't draw the characters, or have a serious hand in how they ended up however-. BH's dismissal and arrogance cost him a profitable working relationship and it was sadly deserved.
The Girl's Night Out episode could have worked if they just used Desiree in there. Her backstory fits a girl power/hating men episode way more than any of the other three.
The only one there that has a believable beef is Kitty because Johnny has shown to be a prick prior to this. Spectra was just “there” and the whole Ember and Skulker thing came out of literally nowhere.
Despite I don't like the show anymore I would have asked her my 3 wishes 1 to make good wishes for reciever 2 have a guy that would love her and not break her heart 3 live a peaceful life and never turn evil
As much as everyone hates the ‘Danny suddenly has Ice Powers,’ I like they gave him something different than every other ghost. Giving him something that Vlad doesn’t have, so Danny’s powers aren’t just ‘What Vlad has, but lower level.’ I get why people don’t like it, but I appreciate it.
Hearing that he would be able to use ice powers made me think of something that didn't happen. I thought he was going to get elemental manipulation powers of lesser used elements than the common fire, water, wind, and earth. Making him a master of ice specifically did just seem like the writers room were scrambling to make a new power for Danny and then got inspired by his least explained and least useful ghost ability in terms of story.
It's kind of weird how Danny Phantom is the Nickelodeon equivalent of Ben 10: Alien Force in so many ways. A more teenage-audience appealing show that could get a bit more cinematic and serious with its concepts, that gets nuked by the producers wanting it to be a more kid friendly version of itself. The only difference is that Ben 10 kept shambling along for a while due to Merchandizing.
Ben 10 didn't shamble. I mean, Ultimate Alien could be pretty mid but Omniverse was great. And the Reboot for it managed to be as well starting near the end of season 1.
Your shock with the fact Danny Phantom only had three seasons reminded me of when I got shocked when I found out Death Note was a fairly short anime and not a long-running giant that was in production to this day
Yeah seriously it's still gets memes and stuff even to this day there's not even much content coming out aside from the movies and a one shot coming out
Can you IMAGINE if Death Note was still going to this day? Do you think Light Yagami would still be the main character? Would the technology advance to modern tech so it'd be harder to hide the note? Would it just be a series of just 20 irl years of Light and L playing an increasingly absurd game of Tom and Jerry?
@@xacmashe3852 If Death Note was one of those anime that was still going to this day, I feel like it would be a case of "every season has a new Death Note owner as the protagonist".
Idk why, but I really thought it was so much longer. Like, at least 4 seasons. I remember it was SUCH a big deal as a kid. And once I was finally able to access it because of streaming platforms, I was shocked by how short it was...
The episode where Jazz finds out Danny is a ghost always stuck with me. Especially how Spectra made the kids mental health worse. I didn’t really comprehend how messed up that was as a kid. I knew it was bad but I didn’t know it was that bad
Jazz is honestly one of my favorite characters because of that episode. She really stands out compared to most "older sister" archetypes we see all the time in that she actually genuinely cares and is concerned about her little brother instead of being a one-note caricature like Debbie Thornberry. I really like her small character arc, going from initially resenting not having normal parents and hating everything about ghost hunting in the early episodes, to getting more involved and embracing it later on.
LS Mark: "I'm pretty sure more people remember the Ember's Ghost Squad incident than they've seen the show itself" ...this video is my first time hearing about it
it's the other way around for me. never heard anything about this show besides the intro, but i could explain the entire EGS incident off the top of my head
You one I would understand he can't use the name but it bothers me if it's called ghost zone WHY THE FRAG DOES IT HAVE A GRAVE YARD?! and it hit me. Ghost zone, fairy world $100 tells me if fairly odd parents were same universe and butch would say they're not then I bet GZ is hartverse version of hell and fairy world is heaven. I get butch is a Christian but did he use that in subliminal context?
I want Butch Hartmann to do a revised completely unhinged Danny Phantom 10 years later where Tucker becomes disillusioned with technology and lives in a small wood shack in the woods with a bunch of metal pipes, chemistry textbooks, and stamps
I’ve said it for a while. Danny Phantom was mostly great, but the last season just…I’m not even sure what happened. It’s like everything that felt so inspired became lazy and safe. And then to end on an anticlimax with that dumb asteroid thing just hinders the show’s legacy. Shame, because it built such a cool world for a while.
Not to mention the tone of the last season felt a little goofier and more like a saturday morning cartoon as well. Not to mention how the show got a little gross to. (One example being a student showing Animorpho in his Mr. Lancer form a pus-filled bump on his leg. Which feels like something you'd see in The Fairly OddParents).
@@PlahaKumar I never watched Star, but everything I’ve heard and read makes it sound like it’s worse. Danny Phantom’s finale didn’t fundamentally undo all of its good will the way Star did
@@PlahaKumar Star Ending was so bad that it made me feel like watching the show was a complete waste of time. Seriously this dumbass character Star just randomly decides to destroy all magic and every character backs her up as if she's doing something heroic when she's actually commiting genocide against magical creatures to solve racism against monsters.
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no thanks
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2 hours about Danny Phantom.
Thanks Batch Hurtman
Its funny how most shows go downhill when the creator leaves. Danny Phantom went downhill when the creator tried getting involved more.
LMAO fr
Also a very similar case for Miraculous Ladybug
I was about to say @@WouldntWeather
Similar case happened to the Rugrats
Honestly I would never. I plan to make my own cartoon in the future and I want my involvement to be worth it. The modern state of animation has really gone downhill and this is one of the things that contribute to it. It’s really ruining the charm.
When you said “53 episodes” I immediately thought “Wow so like 4, 5 seasons? That’s not that short.” I forgot that that was in 2004 when cartoons had seasons that had more than 10 episodes. Miss those days…
Yeah, cartoon seasons nowadays either feel too short or too long.
its weird seeing and hearing 8-10 episodes being called a season nowadays
I'm used seasons being 20-24 episodes long or longer
Yu Gi Oh had 48 episodes per season and was hand drawn. Now they've got all that fancy tech that makes animation look better, but release nothing
I hate the whole 9 episode season thing now, it feels like a drought even though were drowning in content (i think its the streaming era problem, everything being released at once instead of week by week to allow time for creation)
@@black4halo triple comment, look at this n00b
As someone who was a preteen/teen during DP’s run, it’s shocking to hear it called a “flop” because everyone I knew watched the show and was obsessed with it. I was always watching the reruns even if there weren’t many episodes, the first two seasons were just SO good.
the irony of the follow-up comic IMMEDIATELY retconning almost the entirety of the original finale almost 20 years after it originally aired is jaw-dropping.
Yeah, tbh, I didn't care for that direction the comic went in. We've gotten enough of him hiding his identity in the show itself, it would have been interesting to see plots revolving around him being known. But no. 🙄
But the comic is not by butch
But by somone other z fan of Danny phantom made
officially comic for Nickelodeon
The retcon looks like it was mainly made to have a reason to move forward with Danny's story. Phantom Planet pretty much left very little to explore as everyone knows who Danny is and all the ghosts are more cordial.
@@danieltsiu7383I agree with this, especially coming from someone (me) who LIKES THE FINALE.
I'm glad it found a clever way of still having it take place after phantom planet but still soft rebooting it.
I think the reason why "13" is episode 14 is because of the pilot. They treated the pilot as a pilot that was also slapped onto season 1. It's also why Rick and Morty has 11 episodes in it's first season and not 10 compared to the other ones.
Well well well
From what I remember, the writers and producers came to an impasse about how Danny's story was going to be moving forward past season 2. The writers wanted Danny to grow up over time while the producers wanted Danny Phantom to be the brother show of Fairly Odd Parents. That meaning, Danny would stay fourteen forever like how Timmy stays 10(right?) forever.
This caused some of the original writers to leave entirely after season 2. Then season 3 came and it flopped pretty hard. If i remember correctly, they canceled the show about half way through the season.
Or I could be misremembering things, it's been awhile.
Interesting
I had a friend in high school who did some acting. According to her, the shows audience was skewing older than what the network wanted.
Danny Phantom was already set for cancellation in the middle of season 2, which is why the assumption of The Ultimate Enemy going over budget with less profit than promised is one of the more plausible theories. News of the cancellation hit fans so hard that they literally had picket protests outside the studio. Also iirc there were also some changes in the network's executive employment that also changed the direction of where they wanted the channel to take as far as what shows to host (which is why you see shows much later like TLOK suffer early despite its predecessor's monumental success)- basically mass produce and air the most popular shows and take on other cartoons of a similar skin and more episodic ones.
Due to fan pressure and Butch begging for at least finishing the show with a final season and concluding series finale, the network granted Butch a limited budget and half a season's worth of episodes. Butch was hoping for the series to come back from cancellation status like FOP did but it of course failed miserably and Nickelodeon was dead set on ending the show. It's rumored that the original writers left due to creative differences, which isn't farfetched, they don't exactly speak much about Butch even though they make it clear they loved the series, and Steve Marmel did say at a time he was hoping the series would become more serialized and mature like how other productions are experimenting with kids' media (hinthintATLA), but Butch's desperation to please the network by doing basically the opposite caused them to exit considering they had no hope for the show to continue anyway PLUS the staff had to be decreased anyway since they now had less budget to work with. So the prominent staff leaving was a mix of not agreeing with following the direction the show would be going and self-preservation since they'd be losing their jobs anyway.
As much as I really dislike Butch and think Danny Phantom is better off in the hands of someone else entirely, I do think it's cruel with Nickelodeon refuses to sell it to anyone else, even the creator himself, knowing that they weren't going to actually do anything with it. And even present day, it's pretty limited to graphic novels as its future. It's unlikely they'll do an animated revival because it isn't as big a success as their other shows despite having a massive cult following. Like...there are definitely prospective showrunners that would want to pick this up and take it to a new platform, but it's stuck in Nickelodeon property jail to rot.
Tbh Season 2 of Danny Phantom is a mixed bag. It's easily the worst one. Season 3 notably improves on it though.
@@MrChristo93 this show would have hit ASTRONOMICALLY on cartoon netwo--oh wait nope, wrong year.
While Butch Hartman WAS a huge part of Danny Phantom, I would like to point out that after the pilot, and before season 3, he has only one co-writing credit and one story credit, both in early season 1. And while he also has directing and storyboarding credits on every episode, storyboard artist John Fontain recently confirmed that if Butch changed just one storyboard panel, he would still had to be credited as a director and a storyboard artist
Thank you, I did feel like Mark was reaching hard to give Hartman his fair due, but I remember the research the phandom did back in the early 2010's and this checks out heavily.
@@Ryusola I feel like his attitude towards him changed when he interviewed him. If you watched the interview, you can tell butch seems really nice and respectful which is completely different from how hes usually portrayed. That combined with his more gentile and respective look he gives things now. he probably wants to see the good in him and give him a huge benefit of the doubt. I really don't blame him at all.
@@micjimster4845 And that is absolutely his right to try and portray to keep his integrity, but sadly I've heard alot of dismissal of ideas that don't gel with his lifestyle choices and extreme motivation to suppress creative voices of those who helped get him where he was. Which is extremely saddening to hear. His streak of unpleasent-ness stemming from steel held belief is a trait he's never tried to dispel or wash off in many circles and it sits uncomfortably in the room of people who come from all walks of life.
Coming off as nice in a video is easy. Being geuninely nice is real task.
@@Ryusola ah, so kind of like zach synder.
Vlad’s voice actor Martin Mull just passed away. R.I.P.
Awe damn. He did a good job as well as Vlad. Rest in peace...
I actually never realized that I watched every single episode as a kid. In my mind it was so big. This video also reminded me how much Danny Phantom ment for me as a kid, thank you Mark.
As a Phan, I think a lot of the staying power of DP (20 years since it began!) is that there's so much dark shit that isn't talked about. The deeper you dig into the Phandom the more you get things like "hey this kid is actually half-dead and his parents want to actively dissect him" and "how would being half-ghost actually change the way Danny acts" and other such things like that. The staying power is looking deeper into the things the show couldn't do, and because of that I think making a new animated series would go horrible for everyone. It's never going to live up to the nostalgia, it's not going to live up to phandom ideals, and it's just annoying to see so many old beloved series get regurgitated based solely on the idea that "hey you watched this growing up! See? We made more!" and it sucking ass. I watched the show as an adult, and even still it rearranged my molecules and it's fantastic to see how much love DP gets even now. There's so many events and things that they hold; the current one in April is known as Phic Phight and it's basically like art fight but with fanfic! It's a very lively fandom despite how long the show has been dead, but hey, that's what the show is all about, isn't it?
Hey I know that's out of nowhere but do you have any Phics recommendations for someone who's starting to watch the show?
@@thelaurenbox9487 oh boy do I! Phantom of Truth is the go-to, it rearranged my brain forever. Shift by Captain Ozone is another favorite of mine! Don’t be scared by the word count it uses all of them effectively and I devoured it in two days. Anything by Phantomrose96 is a guaranteed hit. The college shenanigans au by princessFanona is a classic. I’ve got my own stuff on ao3 as gladiatorAviator (currently two phics, but I’m working on more). I hope this is a good list to start with!
The fact that Lab Rat IMMEDIATELY came to mind reading "his parents want to actively dissect him" GOD it's SUCH A GOOD FIC.
The Irony of you calling Butch racist for "having a kangaroo in Africa" and you not knowing those people were Australian Aborignals is hysterical.
To be fair he didn’t make a huge issue or screech reee. He just genuinely didn’t know 🤷♂️
You’re saying this to a guy who thought the Bloods and Crips were just “groups” in South Park.
@@umwha it isn't a huge issue, i literally just thought it was hysterical the irony.
@@ShatteredPedestal7 holy shit when did he say that?, that's hilarious
@@normiekilla6663 when he did the South Park episode review, don’t remember what timestamp.
But one of the top comments in that vid points it out.
Nickelodeon had a golden goose on their plate they didn't take care of it they didn't fed it or clean it like with every show they have that's not Spongebob
it really makes you wonder what nick would be like now if they actually let spongebob end after the first movie like it intended to.
At least this series never got the fairly oddparents treatment…
Yep.
And Phantom Planet ended the show on a good enough note.
I love how we just forgot that Skulker is just a tiny dude controlling a suits not an actual buff ghost 😂
i think you could've just not mentioned the whole Randy Stair thing tbh, it made for a very weird and uncomfortable tonal shift that didn't really add anything to the video except a few extra minutes of padding... just my two cents as a casual subscriber. i enjoyed learning the Butch Hartman lore though 👍
I'm a bit bummed that Mark didn't mention the name of the author for the recent DP graphic novel, Gabriela Epstein. She's credited for writing AND illustrating the entirety of the book. It was not a "team" per se. Although Killian Ng is credited for backgrounds and colors, Gabriela deserves so many accolades for the comic being such a strong return for the franchise.
Fun fact: Mary Kay Bergman, Timmy's original voice actress, died by suicide...what? That's not fun at all? Then why did Butch Hartman laugh in front of Tara's face while saying it? 😌
Because he a sociopath
I think he also kinda blamed Mary Kate Bergman’s death on Tara Strong (She was friends with Bergman)
Butch Hartman edited that part out from the podcast he originally said that in, but of course the internet archived that clip before he made said edit. The internet in general is quick to specifically clip or archive people saying inappropriate stuff, especially about suicide, just to make them look like a complete monster.
@@andykishore What other way is there to take Butch joking that Mary killed herself after Tara secured her role???
@@TECH097 Unfortunately for Butch, the internet NEVER forgets.
David Kaufman also voiced Dexter Douglas in Freakazoid!, meaning that he's played two teenage boys who can transform into superheroes. Kind of a neat coincidence really.
“He wasn’t even on fairly odd parents until season 2!”
You mean the season where the art style changed to its much more distinct and well known style that’s also seen in Danny Phantom?
I’d make the argument that the style doesn’t necessarily change, it just gets tighter and more consistent
“They weren’t people they were just monsters.” *Shows Ember on the screen as an example*
As someone who's watched the show from start to finish when they were a kid, I agree with a lot of your points Mark. Danny Phantom was popular but had the misfortune of being in an era where tv producers were more concerned with cost & ratings rather than quality. One of the main reasons ATLA stuck around for so long, was because it was a juggernaut in viewership! That's why it was able to afford such an ensemble voice cast, magnificent art & animation, and a stellar series finale. Why it's STILL held in such high regard even today. Whereas Danny Phantom suffered from internal & external issues because of the many points you stated. I never realized how much ire fans & critics held for season 3 until recent years. Overall, I still don't hate the way show ended, I just wish it got a much more proper sendoff.
Fun fact: in the Netherlands, we didn't had season 3. And I don't remember the final episode/special of S2.
So as far we know, the last episode was that evil Danny Phantom/Vlad special
Despite its failure Danny phantom will always be my favourite out of butch’s 4 cartoons on Nickelodeon
I wouldn't even call DP a Failure.
@@mechajay3358honestly, makes me wonder what the show could've been had Nick taken better care of it
@@xavierjuno4572 Butch created a whole line of merchandise to promote the show that he pitched to the network. But unfortunately, his products were a total bomb and failed to sell. So there'd be major consequences. After the executives found out about the merchandise flops. Nickelodeon became very angry at Butch. They said that his merchandise flops and overspending on celebrity guests had deemed Danny Phantom a failure. And there was only one logical thing to do, CANCEL Danny Phantom completely
"what was the original reason if we assume Danny cheating was just Evil Danny?"
Ahhh the bootstrap paradox, it's a loop, you'll keep back tracking to the same answer never getting any closer to the "start" as far as the timeline is concerned, this was always the sequence of events. Evil Danny was always supposed to be here as a self fulfilling fixed point.
Which begs the question, who actually wrote Beethoven's Fifth?
Oh that's simple. It was Beethoven the Forth.
So there's this man. He has a time machine. Up and down history he goes, zip zip zip zip zip, getting into scrapes.
A really simple rewrite or that final episode would change a lot in season 3 finale, get rid of the asteroid.
Have vlad be creating another Danny clone, he's peered into the future and seen evil Danny, seen the power he could have, he became mayor to observe Danny, to gather DNA, to find a way of unlocking Danny's true powers.
Then like you said, have Sam and Tucker keep fighting ghosts, but without a now powerless Danny, evil Danny is reborn thanks to Vlad, vlad thinks he can control him, but its too much power for him to absorb, and gets consumed.
Evil danny is out to destroy the world by pulling the ghost zone into the real world, tearing both from the fabric of reality. he's found and is going to kill Sam and Tucker knowing the real danny can never stop him without going ghost, Danny jumps in the way of the shockwave blast aimed at his friends, and dies. Sam is devastated.
Going Ghost.
Danny phantom leaps out of a dead danny, going toe to toe with his evil counterpart. Eventually gaining the upper hand thanks to his long time enemy ghosts pulled though from the ghost zone. Evil danny is beaten down and sucked into a flask tucker has opened. The day is saved.
But danny is not. He's full ghost now, and with the portal to the ghost zone rupturing reality so badly the ghosts can no longer stay in the human world, he must leave.
He says a heartbreaking goodbye to his friends and family, finally confessing his feelings to Sam, and leaving with the other ghosts.
Cut to a few years later tucker, Sam, and the fentoms are working in a lab, a familiar portal is finally finished, it's powered on and a silhouette of danny is shown coming though.
The end.
This is seriously pretty good , not only have a nice story and a room for future reboot
1:06:38
Mark danielle was inspired by x 23, wolverine's clone and also by ben reilly spiderman's clone
That episode was inspired by the infamous clone saga, but good this time
Season 3’s airing schedule was trash. They literally did like half the season in a week.
Finally... some danny phantom youtube content..... I was starving.....
More Danny Phantom content let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
theinktank?! YOURE HERE!
Makes sense your heroes even though your a ben 10 channel
A wild Kuro has appeared.
That genie joke was wild, being offended over that is crazy 😂
that shit was funny asf
I had never once heard of Ember’s ghost squad until your video.
Quick note on Urban Jungle. While it was just a ‘normal episode’ it was a really hyped up normal episode because it’s where Danny gets another new ability in Cryokinesis. I remember the commercials for that episode playing it up even more than the specials.
Genuinely keep forgetting it was a normal episode and not a hour long special
I remember them marketing it as “Phantom Phreeze” as well. I was confused to learn they titled it Urban Jungle.
Danny Phantom is always memorable, the villains were unique and fun to watch
There was also a Danny Phantom crossover short featuring all the shows butch created with all the characters coming out of the ghost zone. The Fairly Odd Parents, T.U.F.F. Puppy, and that other show I forgot.
Despite never seeing a single episode of Danny Phantom I still hum the first part of the intro and say “he’s a phantom” it just that good
Brain almost hemorrhaged after hearing you didn't give Avatar the time of day. I'm definitely one of THOSE fans for the show, but I'll just say you should check it out mark. it was life changing for me in my formative years, and is an amazing show for young teens because it goes over themes of self identity, the burdens placed on their children by parents, figuring out who you truly are and what makes you happy, etc. It's an amazing show even as an adult. I've watched it at least 4 times and I'm actually on my fifth as this video came out lol
I’m really loving these massive videos going over a specific show/movie series, it would be cool if in the future Mark covered the other big Nickelodeon shows, like Jimmy Neutron, Rugrats or ATLA
34:28 those are aboriginal australians, no african people
Boy I hope somebody got fired for that blunder
Well aboriginals were originally Africans that got stuck on the worst continent possible
@@RobotWithHumanHair.Using that logic the entire world is "African"
It’s crazy to see how Butch Hartman created such an iconic a show next to the fairly odd parents part of my childhood only to just get involved in the writers space that made them cancel it in the first place by rushing the last season to which the show should’ve had a 4th season. But safe to say that at least it didn’t suffer the same fate odd parents did by the hands of nick executives.
That SHMUP actually sounds pretty cool
Slightly unrelated to the show, when I saw that you brought up the games, I had the most unprecedented nostalgia trip I've ever had in my existence. We bought the first game back when "Gamestop" actually had stores and I'd swap between this and the "Sonic Advance" games religiously. Honestly? Thank you for that. I already had a small history with the show but that just connected a few more pieces within my life that I had just completely forgotten about. Jesus, dude.
Why do youtubers seem to think unreadably fast text is the funniest thing ever? All it does is halt the flow as you back up the video and try to pause in time to catch what was said.
Yes, so annoying
I just ignore it, if they don't care to show it, why should I care to read it?
@@Lampent12 Yea, I’ve started doing that now too. It’s usually not even anything important, just them basically responding to what they themselves say in the video.
No
Wrong
Why is he dissing on Hazbin Hotel so much???
@@Squishypalmsgrow up
yeah that dig was off putting
Midnight mark (or ls midnight, as I like to call it) is genuinely one of the best things you have ever done, I’ve never been able to fall asleep as comfortably and happily. Before I’d just turn on your ranking videos, now I can have it all 😭😭 thank you so much mark and editor ❤️
its really nice to know how much you enjoyed danny phantom it was one of my favourites as a kid
I fuckin LOVE this show (until season 3 💀) and just recently got back into the phandom, there's so many awesome headcannons and alternate universe ideas that end up way cooler than canon lmao
Also Nicktoons Unite was PEAK
yk i forgot they straight up say TWINK in a KIDS show
Think it meant to be something different
Or that episode where the guy calls Jazz "kitten"
@@ceoofthefluffkhonesship discord mods be like
Danny Phantom is my favorite Butch Hartman show and is one of my favorite cartoons of all time. As much as we mock Butch Hartman's style, you can clearly tell he's a fan of comic books, and thia show has that early Spider-Man vibe down back.
Honestly I didn’t know there would be a second graphic novel but that is really really exciting to know
Happy to see this finally out, wish the copyright lawyers and bots would lay off you a bit!
Coincidentally this month also marks the 20th anniversary of Danny phantom. 🎉Happy 20th birthday Danny Phantom!🎉
I find it hilarious that in pointing out Butch's insensitivity you talked about the Kangaroo in "Africa" when it's actually a scene of Australian Aboriginals. If this was intentional satire of the kind of person who gets seriously offended at minor issues I applaud it, if not I still enjoyed the irony.
Is that really a minor issue?
Y’know, even though the final season of this show did kinda drag (the final episode especially), you gotta give this show credit for ending when it needed to, unlike a certain other Butch show. Overall though, still a great show and definitely up there with all the other classic NickToons
if i had a nickel for every time a cartoon youtuber made a hour+ long detailing how butch Hartman's career went off the rails and corrupted his own works i'd have two nickels which isn't a lot bit its weird that it happened twice
A Saberspark enjoyer, I see
34:25 "Africa?". These are supposed to be Aborigines right? So it fits to Australia
I never heard of Randy until this video
The more you play the opening the clearer it becomes that it IS "young"
It's clear as day now
Yeah if you listen to it hard you can plainly hear the "ng"
Mark is wrong
Thank god others are hearing the G. I really don’t know how people can’t hear that he’s saying young. There’s a very obvious g sound to be heard when he’s rapping that part.
THANK YOU. Even without listening hard I can hear that it's "young"
Even when i was yo i said young
Isnt that redundant though? Hes 14 which implies youth.
I still dont hear it but it is what it is. Yo feels better to me.
34:28 Uh, not to defend Hartman but those are pretty clearly Aboriginal people in Australia... Not Africa.
16:41 nah I hear young, and I've always corrected people when they said young, but now that you've replayed it back to back I genuinely hear young, dj dwreck (the rapper, yes the very same from wild n out, iykyk) doesn't pronounce it properly but you can absolutely hear the "ung" part if you listen closely
Yeah its very clearly young
what is the music at 2:11 it sounds so familiar i just cannot remember where i've heard it
Butch Hartman: "Don't fight back against your bullies, or you might become one, yourself. I can't express this enough, if someone is tracing your artw-I mean bullying you, don't do anything."
Not gonna lie, i really wanna see Like A Dragon/Yakuza animated show like Blue Eye Samurai
I can't believe you called her Paulene and not Paulina what the heck Mark
man the Reason boss battle theme added in at the part of season two really hits, loved that thank you.
The whole Randy thing disturbed me as a kid. I stayed away from Danny phantom due to it.
34:27 those are australian aboriginals and theyre drawn pretty faithfully to reality, Mark. Whos the ignorant one now?
Let's go I discovered the channel recently and I've been binging all your old videos and ive watched them all so now i actually gotta wait for you to make new videos 😭
Ohhh I hope you mention 5 Years Later, a fan comic continuation of Ben 10 and Danny Phantom!! Its awesome and so underrated in both fandoms
This is genuinely the first time I've heard of that Blaze story. DP lore goes crazier than I thought
... I didn't know about Randy Stair.
Could have lived my life without knowing.
Ranking suggestions (If you want to):
- Every Disney live action movies (including live action remakes)
- Every netflix animated original
- Every dreamworks animated film
- Every illumination animated film (That of course includes the despicable me franchise)
- Every Ben 10 series (including the reboot)
Also hope you reach 1 million subscribers.
Phantom fans who would rather see this superhero ghost and his pals return to TV or in other streaming services for a long and rather overdue revival, help further the chances via signing and sharing out the "Bring Back Danny Phantom" petition. Just avoid the donating part.
I know there's the novel "A Glitch in Time" but I'm kinda disappointed on how it ended. Not to mention it excluded Danielle from the action and she hasn't even become part of Danny's family as Hartman had hoped to have done ages ago had the show been able to continue after Season 3. And it currently remains debatable if the novel and its upcoming sequel's storylines are officially canon to the show's continuity for the novel had a few flaws on how it tried to connect to some of the past episodes of the series.
Just at 34:28 I think he's referring to the natives of Australia... Hence the kangaroo
My only experience with Danny phantom was this video I came across when I was a kid, and it was him going to Spectra's office and it cuts into her "cheering" him up and I thought it was an actual episode lmfao
Oh wow a Hazbin Hotel dig. How brave...
It’s still hilarious to think Butch genuinely try to claim that the ghosts were monsters from another dimension, and not people who were once alive 🤣
He IS such a liar
Especially funny when ghost like Desiree were explicitly stated to have DIED at some point lmao
Well Nickelodeon didn’t let the makers of Avatar say that Jet died out loud, so I guess it evens out
Especially the episodes clearly contradict Butch's claim.
It was probably a censorship thing, I imagine. Wouldn't be surprised if Nick thought this would only last a season and so let them play off the ghost angles, but once it became clear it was a hit went "Uh yeah... Butch, tell them they aren't ghosts or YOUR FIRED!" I dunno why I pictured a Nick exec as Benson lol
Point is as much as I don't like Butch and how he acts, he probably was forced by Nick to say they aren't ghosts.
It's so weird hearing Danny Phantom being described as an underperforing raitings flop
But also realizing that in the cable era, an underperforming show could still get 40, 52, or even 65 episodes, while now in the streaming era, it would get canned after 10
Yeah back then it was longer now it's short
Except if it's big mouth
Even though it went sour in Season 3, at the very least Danny Phantom didn’t becoming a shambling corpse like Fairly OddParents
I mean the phandom is still shambling
Exactly because you know how Timmy's Fairies in the early seasons were supposed to be a secret? And how later on in the show's run and during its final season the fairies were blatantly shown infront of Timmy's dad? I feel like if Danny Phantom would've kept running Butch and some writers would've said "screw it" with Danny's secret identity and have him go ghost blatantly infront of his dad or anyone else if Danny Phantom would've had later seasons.
You either die a good show, or live long enough to become a cash cow.
I couldn't even imagine how worse Danny phantom would've gotten if it went long.
fairly odd parents went on too long but now spongeboob is a never ending show
I honestly love how this is the only butch hartman series where all the characters have five fingers rather than just four.
Take that, Timmy Turner!
Butch prob didnt have much involvement with the character designs.
@@robertharris6092 yes thats mentioned in the video
@@robertharris6092 (luckily he wasn't. Imagine the FOP design for Danny Phantom. Oh god)
@@AnymMusicEh, I don't care either way! I do like this one better, though! It's fits this show so well specifically than the art style for FOP would've! It's just so out of place, plus it also works better for the show, since it's an action show and not just regular episodic comedy with some continuity here and there like FOP! But yeah, much better here, though!
Say what you want about the finale, but I loved seeing Vlad overplaying his hand and revealing to Jack just how much he hated him, and his desires to take Maddie for himself, only to find out that he couldn't stop the asteroid and had revealed himself to the world for nothing, leaving his fate in Jack's hands, who up until then had only shown Vlad genuine kindness.
"You wouldn't turn your back on an old friend, would you?"
"An old friend? No. You? Yes."
It’s the only good scene in the finale in my opinion. It is fitting to see the man that had everything and still bitched about it finally getting what he deserved: to be left alone by the one guy who cared about him.
Vlad could have had a very loving friendship with Jack in spite of everything but chose not to. And it’s fitting for me that Vlad’s fate is to be alone with nothing.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 agreed. It's like the one clean spot instead of a stain
Yeah, though his plan was stupid even if it did if you think about it, he threats the whole world with this asteroid to become there ruler and 500 billion dollars (why would you need that if you are already ruler of the world?) but what’s stopping everyone from just ignoring the deal once the asteroid has safely passed by?
my favorite prt of Phantom Planet was dat Sam n Danny finally got together n had a real kiss n not one of their usual fake out-make outs
Danny's logo on his chest was actually a idea from the producers because they felt the suit was too plain without it.
great call honestly. It's pretty iconic.
34:27 Those aren't meant to be Africans, they're meant to be Australian Aboriginals, hence the Kangaroo. I actually found their inclusion pretty cool, especially for 2004 since that's a whole people group and culture that doesn't get mentioned very often, especially outside of Australia. If anything, the portrayal of Japan from the same episode is a lot more offensive.
Yea people will cry racism over anything now a days
@@tackion5371 it was before it's time today
@@tackion5371 nah, those clips he showed were 1000% racist
Oh like that one reg. show episode
I agree, as an Australian Aboriginal. We don't get any rep in most non Australian media. And when we do it's usually mistaken for Africans.
Man, first saberspark.
Than Lsmark.
Butch is the talk of the town.
Quinton also throwing his hat into the ring
mark was also kind of IN the saberspark video
when he's talking about some people actually being happy with butch's commissions
The Charlie pfp is way too fitting lmao
Butch deserves all of the (negative) attention he’s getting. Good riddance.
@@RedShadowAMV what was his video?
i will always laugh at the fact that stephen silver literally sold commissions on his website for danny phantom styled characters. *and he sold them for $100, and they looked way better than butch's newer commissions.*
makes me wonder if stephen was so pissed at butch's commissions that he just decided to give those who wanted more accurate styled commissions what they truly wanted for less than triple what butch sold lmao
Oh yeah! I forgot Stephen Silver was the one who is ACTUALLY responsible for the iconic FOP style.
Also does anyone else get pissed off by Butch's choice of colours, i dunno why he doesn't just copy colours from the screenshots of FOP, the neon saturated look is just absolutely ugly.
$100 is honestly underpriced so probably.
@@Fatih_M177”who is ACTUALLY responsible for the iconic FOP style.”
Man, that’s a funny way of saying “I didn’t watch the video.”
@@phabiorules We did and its heavily opinionated, but anyone and anyone whos actuaclly been on forums and discussed and did their own research back in the day (2010 was a hive for this stuff, and I'm not about to spend a week way-backing and trying to recover it all) knows the truth sadly. Mark didn't do the utter batshit indepth research and QA some fans did back in the day, but we do remember. Silver at the end of the day is the better artist and refined all of Hartmans work, thats not to say he didn't draw the characters, or have a serious hand in how they ended up however-.
BH's dismissal and arrogance cost him a profitable working relationship and it was sadly deserved.
@@phabiorules Funny you say that cause i did watch the video at 2 AM from start to finish and my Eyes hurt so back off XD
I feel like Butch is a greek myth. Cursed to have pretty interesting ideas but doomed to fail via self sabotage.
sisyphus
@@wm7ap7w41Is that the king who try cheated death and capture the god of war who ends up pushing the iconic boulder forever?
@dante_0962 no it's an STD.
@@dante_0962boulder.
@@dante_0962Yes. Yes he is.
One thing I love about this show is how all the title cards look like movie theater posters.
Its so good!!
There supposed to look like comic covers
@@alchemistofsteel8099yeah this show obviously has a lot of influence from Mavel and Dc
@@alchemistofsteel8099what do you think movie posters started out imitating?
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Honestly I really loved this show and it was a large part of my childhood. It still hurts to see Butch Hartmans reputation in the toilet.
Idk from what ive heard he didnt really contribute much as to why this show became so big in the 2000s
I mean, he’s kinda the reason the show fell off so hard unfortunately
Butch Hartman basically became an anti-fairy overtime
@@mariajimenafigueroa233no more like the clown the anti-fairies adopted as a baby.
@@mariajimenafigueroa233more like the Clown who was adopted by the anti-fairies.
The Girl's Night Out episode could have worked if they just used Desiree in there. Her backstory fits a girl power/hating men episode way more than any of the other three.
The only one there that has a believable beef is Kitty because Johnny has shown to be a prick prior to this. Spectra was just “there” and the whole Ember and Skulker thing came out of literally nowhere.
her backstory was that a woman kicked her out.
@@JurassicReptile well if that doesn't break the crust
Despite I don't like the show anymore I would have asked her my 3 wishes
1 to make good wishes for reciever
2 have a guy that would love her and not break her heart
3 live a peaceful life and never turn evil
Yeah, I'd pull a Aladdin Genie with Desiree too.@blueraccoon1088
You know, forget getting a cat for his insanity. Vlad really should consider a therapist for his obsession with both Jack and Danny.
He named the cat “Maddie” no therapist would be able to help that.
I can only imagine they're response to the whole cloning ordeal.
As much as everyone hates the ‘Danny suddenly has Ice Powers,’ I like they gave him something different than every other ghost. Giving him something that Vlad doesn’t have, so Danny’s powers aren’t just ‘What Vlad has, but lower level.’ I get why people don’t like it, but I appreciate it.
Yeah I think it's cool that the chill he gets from his ghost sense was an early sign that he was getting ice powers.
I like how the ghosts have unique abilities sure some of them overlap but still.
Hearing that he would be able to use ice powers made me think of something that didn't happen. I thought he was going to get elemental manipulation powers of lesser used elements than the common fire, water, wind, and earth. Making him a master of ice specifically did just seem like the writers room were scrambling to make a new power for Danny and then got inspired by his least explained and least useful ghost ability in terms of story.
I do like the idea of him having something different. I just don't know why it was ice powers specifically.
I never got the hate, I thought it was dope he had ice powers.
It's kind of weird how Danny Phantom is the Nickelodeon equivalent of Ben 10: Alien Force in so many ways.
A more teenage-audience appealing show that could get a bit more cinematic and serious with its concepts, that gets nuked by the producers wanting it to be a more kid friendly version of itself.
The only difference is that Ben 10 kept shambling along for a while due to Merchandizing.
Ben 10 didn't shamble. I mean, Ultimate Alien could be pretty mid but Omniverse was great. And the Reboot for it managed to be as well starting near the end of season 1.
Nah while there could be low, especially In UA it recovered.
I HATE Omniverse with a passion. What a huge downgrade from what came before.
Did you just eat the baby
I love every Ben 10 thing ever that isn’t the reboot
Your shock with the fact Danny Phantom only had three seasons reminded me of when I got shocked when I found out Death Note was a fairly short anime and not a long-running giant that was in production to this day
Yeah seriously it's still gets memes and stuff even to this day there's not even much content coming out aside from the movies and a one shot coming out
Can you IMAGINE if Death Note was still going to this day? Do you think Light Yagami would still be the main character? Would the technology advance to modern tech so it'd be harder to hide the note? Would it just be a series of just 20 irl years of Light and L playing an increasingly absurd game of Tom and Jerry?
@@xacmashe3852nah there would be a new Kira that also takes the title of L from light once he dies of old age
@@xacmashe3852 If Death Note was one of those anime that was still going to this day, I feel like it would be a case of "every season has a new Death Note owner as the protagonist".
Idk why, but I really thought it was so much longer. Like, at least 4 seasons. I remember it was SUCH a big deal as a kid. And once I was finally able to access it because of streaming platforms, I was shocked by how short it was...
The episode where Jazz finds out Danny is a ghost always stuck with me. Especially how Spectra made the kids mental health worse. I didn’t really comprehend how messed up that was as a kid. I knew it was bad but I didn’t know it was that bad
Insane motive for a kids' cartoon villain.
Jazz is honestly one of my favorite characters because of that episode. She really stands out compared to most "older sister" archetypes we see all the time in that she actually genuinely cares and is concerned about her little brother instead of being a one-note caricature like Debbie Thornberry.
I really like her small character arc, going from initially resenting not having normal parents and hating everything about ghost hunting in the early episodes, to getting more involved and embracing it later on.
LS Mark: "I'm pretty sure more people remember the Ember's Ghost Squad incident than they've seen the show itself"
...this video is my first time hearing about it
it's the other way around for me. never heard anything about this show besides the intro, but i could explain the entire EGS incident off the top of my head
Holy heck, I am seeing you everywhere.
Not that it's a problem, just that it happens a lot.
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Fun fact. The ghost zone was originally supposed to be called the phantom zone, but DC already claimed that name for the Superman Mythos
If it's any consolation, I would have called it the spirit zone or something.
@@angelmarin6442 For me, I was thinking perhaps spectral zone?
@SonicLegends Hey, that's a good name!
@@angelmarin6442 Thanks
You one I would understand he can't use the name but it bothers me if it's called ghost zone WHY THE FRAG DOES IT HAVE A GRAVE YARD?! and it hit me. Ghost zone, fairy world $100 tells me if fairly odd parents were same universe and butch would say they're not then I bet GZ is hartverse version of hell and fairy world is heaven. I get butch is a Christian but did he use that in subliminal context?
Let's be real, if Danny said "Bababooey" the show wouldve been renewed for atleast 5 seasons😌
I want Butch Hartmann to do a revised completely unhinged Danny Phantom 10 years later where Tucker becomes disillusioned with technology and lives in a small wood shack in the woods with a bunch of metal pipes, chemistry textbooks, and stamps
he did something like that, and it showed how little he made this series (but loves to steal all the credit for)
I mean, 5YL exists
I can honestly see Tucker going nuts.
I’ve said it for a while. Danny Phantom was mostly great, but the last season just…I’m not even sure what happened. It’s like everything that felt so inspired became lazy and safe. And then to end on an anticlimax with that dumb asteroid thing just hinders the show’s legacy. Shame, because it built such a cool world for a while.
Not to mention the tone of the last season felt a little goofier and more like a saturday morning cartoon as well. Not to mention how the show got a little gross to. (One example being a student showing Animorpho in his Mr. Lancer form a pus-filled bump on his leg. Which feels like something you'd see in The Fairly OddParents).
@@Du-yw1pz yeah, it fell into the traps that plagued Fairly Oddparents and other Nick shows.
Which finale do you think is worse: Danny Phantom's finale or Star vs the Forces of evils finale?
@@PlahaKumar I never watched Star, but everything I’ve heard and read makes it sound like it’s worse. Danny Phantom’s finale didn’t fundamentally undo all of its good will the way Star did
@@PlahaKumar Star Ending was so bad that it made me feel like watching the show was a complete waste of time. Seriously this dumbass character Star just randomly decides to destroy all magic and every character backs her up as if she's doing something heroic when she's actually commiting genocide against magical creatures to solve racism against monsters.
The "pair of agents" thing is just because Men in Black was popular I assume, I mean "Guys in White" is an obvious parody the name too.