I'm no 4-wheeler only been on one four-wheel drive through the Rubicon the very first thing I noticed with this guy was driving way too fast on that trail
This dude is *hauling ass* in terms of trail 4x4 driving. Cheesus. This must be his first time out with his "new toy". That's crazy. He should be in lower gear.. just creeping. No need to even ride the breaks.
Pure negligence. You can see through the video he goes faster and faster as he gets over confident. You can hear how he talks about the curve coming up to it like it is no big deal. Accidents happen, catching a rock but coming in that hot into this tight of a bend is just asking for trouble. Turned way too far out, hit the rocks and sounds like he panic throttled. They are lucky to be alive.
Hey! That’s my old stomping grounds! When the Idarado mine was running, that road was pretty good. Took a ‘67 Cadillac coup up there ⛰ and lived to tell the tale!
I just bought my first Jeep today 1983cj5 I will definitely keep this in mind !! Thank you very much I like it better when I learn from others and to be honest you’re a magnificent teacher!!!!
I had a 1983 CJ-5 6 cyl brown metallic that I bought new. I only kept it 3 years and traded it in on a new ‘85 Ranger. I drove the Jeep on the Mississippi levee a few times and. It was scary just going up the narrow levee road. I would love to have another one or a CJ-7 with a little more leg room.
Nice, had a stick 79 4x4 CJ5, 67 4x4 1/2 ton Jeep pickup, and an old 44 1/4 ton Willys (ordered 2 of them & dad and I assembled them). You'll be fine, down or uphill, use 4H off-road slight up hill -#15 , 4L and granny gear on steep down/up grade. NEVER get in a hurry, never ride your clutch, and learn to walk your Jeep (don't gun the gas) down hill. Never go 4 wheelin when you have to be somewhere by a certain time, patience will keep you alive. I currently have a 2020 Rubicon Wrangler 4x4, 4 door hardtop auto and a 1994 F150 4x4 stick pickup (bought new). Mil/Leo ret.
As a former owner of a 1974 FJ40 I can tell you drum brakes front and rear SUCK! Gotta use the gearing going down hill. Mine was a really good crawler in low range, driving too fast on this road is foolish.
Not to sound preachy but yall were going entirely too fast down this road. It's an easy road but there is zero room for mistakes here. Could have been avoided and thankfully your outcome wasn't all that bad
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the drivers carelessness here, way to fast. Shows the driver's inexperience here and I would say that they were lucky they didn't go over the edge. Take the FJ40 away from that man please, give him a Prius to drive
Yep my reaction also. I have had to Jeep Rubicons and have wheeled all over AZ, UT and CO. I would never go that fast on something that steep. He was way overconfident.
I think driver was going too fast approaching the turn and stayed too close hill side and ended up climbing it and did a complete roll over, they were lucky that the truck did not roll all the way down. It's amazing that the stock roll bar did not collapse and kill/hurt them
Capt Stupid- I must disagree, as a former owner of a ‘70 FJ 40, I can assure you they are as a rock, solid as a pair of fresh silicone hooters, the driver in this video and you have much in common.
Definitely lack of experience, speed and getting too close to the wall. Front driver side tire went up the wall and suspension gave no articulation. But even so, a much slower approach would've prevented the roll over. Very lucky we didn't keep rolling. The only injury to report was broken index and crushed middle left fingers (with middle dislocated also). I recorded the ER visit. It shows my fingers in tourniquets and finger nails being removed.
Glad to see everyone is OK. Must have been terrifying! I'm a Colorado native and have been driving 4wd machines for over 40 years and driven most every pass but two, Red Cone and Black Bear. Too dangerous!! I hope that classic crusher didn't get too damaged.
I was on both ends of that trail years back with a full size extended cab pickup, over the pass from highway 550 to just passed the summit ( then turned around ) also into the box canyon up to the power house and just being at that point to the top of the falls was well worth it if you haven't, and back then a family was still living in that building. Being that your a Colorado back country native, I was curious if you have driven Taylor pass as you may get a good laugh out of the fact I did that trail with my pickup and it has running boards to boot, again far from the hot setup to be near trails like that !. This video ( have not looked for the other parts yet ), I sensed something bad about to happen even if the title had not said as its so easy to bounce off a rock sitting loose on the trail at anything other then a very slow controlled speed, there is very little room for error when it comes to trails like this.
Red Cone definitely has it's moments... My Lexus GX470 on 33's and 3" lift made short work of it. Going up isn't too bad, it's the trail down from the peak that really gets you. Luckily it's a short run to Webster pass and it's all gravy from there. There's also plenty of room there to park for 10min and let your sphincter relax enough to let go of the seat! I took my DSLR with me and got some AMAZING shots at the peak. I have no interest in Black Bear. That kind of stuff just ain't for me.
Black Bear isn't terrible. It is honestly hyped up more than it should be. My first time down it was with my dirt bike and I was expecting something terrible. I walked my bike down the "steps" just to be extra careful and then I was like, "That's it?" I took my Jeep XJ down it in 2021. It has 33's and 3.5" of lift. Nothing special and no need for lockers. Make sure you have good brakes / brake lines, have a general idea of proper wheel placement, don't drive over the edge, or up on the rock face, and you're good to go.
@@paulstandaert5709 From watching videos of various vehicles negotiate that trail, definitely the XJ wheel base along with its not overly wide wheel track was a good rig on not only that trail but a lot of the trails in Colorado. Full size longer wheel base pickups are a different beast, a worse break over angle, worse departure angle and a wider track, not to mention weight being a performance killer and a gravity killer !. Another item you're Jeep has going for it or in my mind anyway is the solid front axle as some pickups or for that matter independent front suspension SUV's can have opposite tires lifting off the ground long before your XJ would in the uneven type terrain and as a result can roll, at the very least has poor traction or no drive to the ground with no lockers. Hopefully your able to keep your XJ running good for a long time to come, those are excellent units and I had wished I had been driving one when I was doing some of the trails in Colorado.
@@charlesb4267 yes, I should have mentioned the full size rigs not being a good idea. It can be done, but .... Yeah. A 4 door wrangler can do it, but the XJ is about the perfect size.
Damn glad everybody is okay! I see you're from Tomball . . . League City here. Your video is an excellent example of just how quickly things can and will change! You guys are VERY lucky the FJ didn't continue to roll!
@@TraceyAllen hummmmm, not so sure unless you know from 1st hand….I’m sure if it were, they would have filmed the falls, the mill and the town or maybe not not.
Fast and arogant driving. I feel sorry for the people that had to help you deal with your mess and the long wait on the trail. Gotta give you credit, I wouldnt have posted my stupidity
On trails like this if I can't stop inside of 2 feet I'm moving too fast. I honestly thought you were going off the edge in front of you every switchback.
Was he too embarrassed to have his passenger get out and spot him? And like others said, WAY too fast for that road. I took it in the 70s with a 73 LUV, 400 v8 and jeep CJ axles/tcase and drum brakes. Can't rush it.
Why be a dick about it. I’m pretty sure the driver relies his mistake, especially after only minor injuries. He made a mistake do to probably a little inexperience.
Damn. That’s waaaay too fast. I’d love to do this trail in my BJ-42 Land Cruiser. That 3.4L diesel engine, 4 Low and 1st or maybe 2nd gear tops. This guy was Land Cruisn for a bruisin’ and that’s exactly what he got.
When I saw rollover in the title, I already knew he'd catch a rock on the inside and be going too fast to stop it. Always on trails like this: transfer in 4L and transmission in 1st or 2nd dependent on gear ratios and road grade.
For some reason, this footage inspired me to grab a brewski, mount my ride-atop John Deer lawnmower, and then proceed to mow the back 40 with a total disregard for my own safety. Live on edge for the moment, I say, and let the cards fall as they may.
Is it possible his vehicle did not have enough engine braking capability along with his low gear choice? Engine breaking and low gearing should have kept him slow.
The driver was driving too fast, shooting the breeze, not focusing on the road ahead, in an absolutely unforgiving terrain. Expert off-roaders do not exhibit such carelessness.
Especially with manual transmission vehicles and tcase in low, you can miss a line and the vehicle wants to keep going a bit more than an auto trans vehicle before you can stop it. One second and that left front tire is up too high causing the roll over. Makes sense to go slower in this situation due to the switchback risk.
Este jeep es uno de los 6 que están volcados?? Que cayeron al barranco?? Vivieron para contarlo....hubiera sido bueno, ver la maniobra para ponerlo sobre las ruedas.... felicidades.
Go Pro cameras use a fish eye lens that makes your speed twice as fast as you are actually going. Used mine for off roading, skiing, etc, and pretty much doubles your speed. Of course, you never admit that, people think you're a badass!
I own a 78 FJ-40 with three inches of lift and 35” tires, he was going to fast and to close to the left side. I hope everyone’s ok. Things change in a heartbeat
Going up the mountain you can move a bit quicker than usual but not down. Always crawl down because the smallest mistakes have exponentially deviating consequences.
He needed a open rear end with a lock up with individual rear brakes. Do hairpin switchbacks braking the inside wheel. I think Broncos has that option.
I'm no 4-wheeler only been on one four-wheel drive through the Rubicon the very first thing I noticed with this guy was driving way too fast on that trail
Note to self: don't ride with this guy and don't even be near him when he's driving.
Exactly ,,😂😂😂
WAY to fast
This dude is *hauling ass* in terms of trail 4x4 driving. Cheesus. This must be his first time out with his "new toy". That's crazy. He should be in lower gear.. just creeping. No need to even ride the breaks.
Way too fast
I agree..
Pure negligence. You can see through the video he goes faster and faster as he gets over confident. You can hear how he talks about the curve coming up to it like it is no big deal. Accidents happen, catching a rock but coming in that hot into this tight of a bend is just asking for trouble. Turned way too far out, hit the rocks and sounds like he panic throttled. They are lucky to be alive.
Hey! That’s my old stomping grounds! When the Idarado mine was running, that road was pretty good. Took a ‘67 Cadillac coup up there ⛰ and lived to tell the tale!
Good times.
Back when people and cars where just built different.
'Caddy Coupe - Mate you got Ballz of Steel 🦾
SECOND NOTE TO SELF: NEVER RIDE WITH A PERSON WHO NEEDS TO LOOK AT YOU TO HOLD A CONVERSATION AS THEIR DRIVING.
correction: ...conversation as "they're" driving.
@@bermuda3944
Says the person who gave the teacher an apple.
I just bought my first Jeep today 1983cj5 I will definitely keep this in mind !! Thank you very much I like it better when I learn from others and to be honest you’re a magnificent teacher!!!!
I had a 1983 CJ-5 6 cyl brown metallic that I bought new. I only kept it 3 years and traded it in on a new ‘85 Ranger. I drove the Jeep on the Mississippi levee a few times and. It was scary just going up the narrow levee road. I would love to have another one or a CJ-7 with a little more leg room.
Nice, had a stick 79 4x4 CJ5, 67 4x4 1/2 ton Jeep pickup, and an old 44 1/4 ton Willys (ordered 2 of them & dad and I assembled them). You'll be fine, down or uphill, use 4H off-road slight up hill -#15 , 4L and granny gear on steep down/up grade. NEVER get in a hurry, never ride your clutch, and learn to walk your Jeep (don't gun the gas) down hill. Never go 4 wheelin when you have to be somewhere by a certain time, patience will keep you alive. I currently have a 2020 Rubicon Wrangler 4x4, 4 door hardtop auto and a 1994 F150 4x4 stick pickup (bought new). Mil/Leo ret.
As a former owner of a 1974 FJ40 I can tell you drum brakes front and rear SUCK! Gotta use the gearing going down hill. Mine was a really good crawler in low range, driving too fast on this road is foolish.
plus he went to far left. he should not have been up there. I knew immediately on his decent that he didn't know what he was doing.
First rule of going downhill off road. Gearing not brakes.
@@stephenburnage7687 if there isn't already there needs to be a sign on this trail, disk brakes mandatory,, low range 1st gear or you will die.
Thanks for sharing, hopefully others learn from y’all’s mistake of going way to fast. So happy everyone was ok
Damn. Glad you're alright. I didn't know it was a race downhill. sheesh.
Not to sound preachy but yall were going entirely too fast down this road. It's an easy road but there is zero room for mistakes here. Could have been avoided and thankfully your outcome wasn't all that bad
Agreed. The road isn't bad if it's respected. Their speed was way too fast.
Way too careless and going way too fast the entire time. Glad you all didn't die.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the drivers carelessness here, way to fast. Shows the driver's inexperience here and I would say that they were lucky they didn't go over the edge. Take the FJ40 away from that man please, give him a Prius to drive
@@christopherlaboy9377 Agree ! I'm amazed at the people on these trails that probably shouldn't be driving dirt roads.
Agree. This rookie was going way too fast, or old timer was way too careless. Bad all around.
You were a hell of a linebacker Bill …
I thought he was going way too fast. I'd be slower on a mountain bike with that gradient on an unfamiliar trail... glad everyone was okay in the end.
Yep my reaction also. I have had to Jeep Rubicons and have wheeled all over AZ, UT and CO. I would never go that fast on something that steep. He was way overconfident.
Glad you are OK. Slow and easy. I usually go in low and leaveing 1st the whole time and crawl.
I think driver was going too fast approaching the turn and stayed too close hill side and ended up climbing it and did a complete roll over, they were lucky that the truck did not roll all the way down. It's amazing that the stock roll bar did not collapse and kill/hurt them
And the fj kept running after they pushed it back up 😲
Bro. It's an FJ40. Roll bar is built well.
Too fast! 🤜🤛
Too fast and too complacent, dangerous combo on a trail like that
That jeep road looks so tough I'd leave my 1965 FJ-40 at home and drive my girlfriend's 2 door 1977 Chevy Nova
Regardless of what happens, it'll be a day you remember/never forget. Stunning.
Whenever I’m tempted to try to make it in one turn instead of playing it safe and doing a multi-point I’ll think of this vid. Rushing is not worth it.
No, it isn't worth it. Black Bear is not a difficult trail but it's a bloody dangerous one if you don't respect it.
He's probably done it several times and got complacent
@@bmarie8965 complacency can def bite you If you let it.
I had two FJ40s as a youngster. Great rigs but not the most stable. As many have pointed out, was he late for an appointment?
One of two things: a senior moment or a stunt! But an FJ-40 not stable? Oh that's right, you did not have KYB gas shocks, my bad
Capt Stupid- I must disagree, as a former owner of a ‘70 FJ 40, I can assure you they are as a rock, solid as a pair of fresh silicone hooters, the driver in this video and you have much in common.
Old FJs are cool but that manual steering on that switch back was wearing me out. Driving was way too fast.
Glad nobody was seriously hurt. Thanks for sharing the full videos.
He's driving way too fast and more worried about flexing & showing off than just concentrating on the trail.
That’s going crazy fast
Is that town Telluride?
Way too fast for this trail.. Either amateur or careless or both but he definitely paid for it.. Hope he learned his lesson
Lose brakes? Or just lack of experience on these types of trails?
Looked like his driver tire went up the wall. Not watching where he was going
@@chrism1966 He was not paying attention and going too fast.
Definitely lack of experience, speed and getting too close to the wall. Front driver side tire went up the wall and suspension gave no articulation. But even so, a much slower approach would've prevented the roll over. Very lucky we didn't keep rolling. The only injury to report was broken index and crushed middle left fingers (with middle dislocated also).
I recorded the ER visit. It shows my fingers in tourniquets and finger nails being removed.
@@elijahescobar9987 live and learn and leaf springs 😆
@@elijahescobar9987 how’s the fingers now? Hopefully you all are doing well.
Glad to see everyone is OK. Must have been terrifying! I'm a Colorado native and have been driving 4wd machines for over 40 years and driven most every pass but two, Red Cone and Black Bear. Too dangerous!! I hope that classic crusher didn't get too damaged.
I was on both ends of that trail years back with a full size extended cab pickup, over the pass from highway 550 to just passed the summit ( then turned around ) also into the box canyon up to the power house and just being at that point to the top of the falls was well worth it if you haven't, and back then a family was still living in that building. Being that your a Colorado back country native, I was curious if you have driven Taylor pass as you may get a good laugh out of the fact I did that trail with my pickup and it has running boards to boot, again far from the hot setup to be near trails like that !. This video ( have not looked for the other parts yet ), I sensed something bad about to happen even if the title had not said as its so easy to bounce off a rock sitting loose on the trail at anything other then a very slow controlled speed, there is very little room for error when it comes to trails like this.
Red Cone definitely has it's moments... My Lexus GX470 on 33's and 3" lift made short work of it. Going up isn't too bad, it's the trail down from the peak that really gets you. Luckily it's a short run to Webster pass and it's all gravy from there. There's also plenty of room there to park for 10min and let your sphincter relax enough to let go of the seat! I took my DSLR with me and got some AMAZING shots at the peak. I have no interest in Black Bear. That kind of stuff just ain't for me.
Black Bear isn't terrible. It is honestly hyped up more than it should be. My first time down it was with my dirt bike and I was expecting something terrible. I walked my bike down the "steps" just to be extra careful and then I was like, "That's it?"
I took my Jeep XJ down it in 2021. It has 33's and 3.5" of lift. Nothing special and no need for lockers. Make sure you have good brakes / brake lines, have a general idea of proper wheel placement, don't drive over the edge, or up on the rock face, and you're good to go.
@@paulstandaert5709 From watching videos of various vehicles negotiate that trail, definitely the XJ wheel base along with its not overly wide wheel track was a good rig on not only that trail but a lot of the trails in Colorado. Full size longer wheel base pickups are a different beast, a worse break over angle, worse departure angle and a wider track, not to mention weight being a performance killer and a gravity killer !. Another item you're Jeep has going for it or in my mind anyway is the solid front axle as some pickups or for that matter independent front suspension SUV's can have opposite tires lifting off the ground long before your XJ would in the uneven type terrain and as a result can roll, at the very least has poor traction or no drive to the ground with no lockers. Hopefully your able to keep your XJ running good for a long time to come, those are excellent units and I had wished I had been driving one when I was doing some of the trails in Colorado.
@@charlesb4267 yes, I should have mentioned the full size rigs not being a good idea. It can be done, but .... Yeah. A 4 door wrangler can do it, but the XJ is about the perfect size.
Dang, dude. Whats the hurry?
Damn glad everybody is okay! I see you're from Tomball . . . League City here. Your video is an excellent example of just how quickly things can and will change! You guys are VERY lucky the FJ didn't continue to roll!
This is a one way road, was he going the wrong way prior to turn around?
Little fast there big guy! It’ll learn ya durn ya.
How did your fingers get damaged? Were they caught between rollbar and ground?? Glad everyone is ok
My condolences. I rolled my 71 a few years back. Makes for a terrible day.
I would love to walk up there. Great views, no risk and better than a gym workout.
I recall doing something similar at the top of Bridal Val Falls with my 73 FJ 40 in Telluride back in 1973.
That is exactly the same road.
@@TraceyAllen hummmmm, not so sure unless you know from 1st hand….I’m sure if it were, they would have filmed the falls, the mill and the town or maybe not not.
What is a fj20?
Towelettes and a First Aid Kit are handy to have.
"How you feelin about this one?" Lmao, He's feelin like "I'm just gonna roll it" To the passengers credit, he did take your advice.
Fast and arogant driving. I feel sorry for the people that had to help you deal with your mess and the long wait on the trail. Gotta give you credit, I wouldnt have posted my stupidity
Think passenger posted it.
On trails like this if I can't stop inside of 2 feet I'm moving too fast. I honestly thought you were going off the edge in front of you every switchback.
Was he too embarrassed to have his passenger get out and spot him? And like others said, WAY too fast for that road. I took it in the 70s with a 73 LUV, 400 v8 and jeep CJ axles/tcase and drum brakes. Can't rush it.
I just about soiled my trousers watching this. My heart was racing. Y'all offroaders are nutz! Glad you are alright!!
Even the Wildly Unruly Adventurer says so. Imagine that!!!
This was a rookie mistake. Stupid is as stupid does.
I've had 4 FJ40's, i've ran competition off road rallyes and this driver was going way too fast for this trail. Serves him right.
Why be a dick about it. I’m pretty sure the driver relies his mistake, especially after only minor injuries. He made a mistake do to probably a little inexperience.
You guys have way more faith in gravity than me.
Or way too little respect.
Almost won a Darwin Award
I have done the same in a BJ, ran out the winch cable stood her back up had a 🍺
How many did you have before you did it ?
Where does this go to
... and where was the rollover?
Never knew anyone crashed on that curve
What…no footage of the actual rollover?
Damn. That’s waaaay too fast. I’d love to do this trail in my BJ-42 Land Cruiser. That 3.4L diesel engine, 4 Low and 1st or maybe 2nd gear tops. This guy was Land Cruisn for a bruisin’ and that’s exactly what he got.
When I saw rollover in the title, I already knew he'd catch a rock on the inside and be going too fast to stop it. Always on trails like this: transfer in 4L and transmission in 1st or 2nd dependent on gear ratios and road grade.
254,000 views, 6 months later. was it worth it?
They found the video in the wreck, but bears ate the two bodies.
4 minutes of my life I’ll never get back.
WHERE IS THIS
Exactly!!! To fast!!
What's the hurry?
*What is the last thing you'll hear any Texans say on his way to the Hospital? Hey Y'all watch this!*
I had a sinking feeling that the guy was going a little hot with the speed and over confidence. 😔
Some people shouldn"t be four wheelin.
Taking my time
DAMN WHATS HIS FREAKING HURRY? I WOULD WALK LOL!
For some reason, this footage inspired me to grab a brewski, mount my ride-atop John Deer lawnmower, and then proceed to mow the back 40 with a total disregard for my own safety. Live on edge for the moment, I say, and let the cards fall as they may.
A had a coworker who's father managed to get killed doing that. That wasn't a good day for anyone.
Is it possible his vehicle did not have enough engine braking capability along with his low gear choice? Engine breaking and low gearing should have kept him slow.
The driver was driving too fast, shooting the breeze, not focusing on the road ahead, in an absolutely unforgiving terrain. Expert off-roaders do not exhibit such carelessness.
Especially with manual transmission vehicles and tcase in low, you can miss a line and the vehicle wants to keep going a bit more than an auto trans vehicle before you can stop it. One second and that left front tire is up too high causing the roll over. Makes sense to go slower in this situation due to the switchback risk.
Lol, the down side of that short wheelbase. Glad everyone is ok.
Pay attention bro!! That was total driver error!!
Este jeep es uno de los 6 que están volcados?? Que cayeron al barranco?? Vivieron para contarlo....hubiera sido bueno, ver la maniobra para ponerlo sobre las ruedas.... felicidades.
Go Pro cameras use a fish eye lens that makes your speed twice as fast as you are actually going. Used mine for off roading, skiing, etc, and pretty much doubles your speed. Of course, you never admit that, people think you're a badass!
It's a really nice view ! But safer on foot for sure
I own a 78 FJ-40 with three inches of lift and 35” tires, he was going to fast and to close to the left side. I hope everyone’s ok. Things change in a heartbeat
*too
@@dangerous8333
Says the person who gave the teacher an apple.
I hope this encourages you to invest in an atlas tcase, I wouldn't go on a road with switchbacks like that without one
Just waiting for a video of a Swift truck driver taking this road because "Google said it was a shortcut"
Going up the mountain you can move a bit quicker than usual but not down. Always crawl down because the smallest mistakes have exponentially deviating consequences.
Complacency kills on these roads. They aren't technical but they are unforgiving. Glad you guys are OK.
Ever hear of 4 low and first gear
As an aside, at 1:48 I was sure that was a bear in the tree at 10 O' Clock!!! 🐻🤔
Damn I need an early night. 🇬🇧
What the hell were you doing
Wonder if he got his sticker
I wouldn't even walk down that trail... hope you all ok ..... thumbs up...
He needed a open rear end with a lock up with individual rear brakes. Do hairpin switchbacks braking the inside wheel. I think Broncos has that option.
Go faster and pull the parking brake when you want to turn.......😅
Never saw Brokeback Mountain but this movie looks weird.
No offense to the driver but he was definitely out of his league on this trail with his vehicle. His speed on this trail says it all.
Just imagine if you had to take a poop while on that pass.
Drove an F40 for years in the rugged Montana mountains. Takes a lot of effort to screw up as bad as that guy did. 😅
This is why I hike in wilderness
Classic speed too fast for conditions.
Why
The scenery?
Can't even look at it
PART 1 PART 2 PART 3...... WHY??
why man why
Going that fast no wonder she rolled it.
Yeah "cruisin" right along there with your manual steering antique brakes, nope-nope.
"I'm content with eight inches as well"
Perfect
Trick photography, the cruiser is fine, just through his phone out the window. Lmao
46 flat fender only way to go . Slow and cool.
Went through black bear pass in my Silverado no probs
That's why you should be in low gear and low range on a trail like that!
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