Extremely educational video for those looking to understand blade geometry and effective use of knives! This is a great one, thanks for the work you put in.
The best blade geometry in my entire collection is probably my Spyderco Yojumbo. The hollow grind is Amazing! If you get one you Have to grind the bottom of the blade stock so it don't your finger, but once you do its a bad azz knife.
Any experience with Stedemon/Maxace? Their designs can definitely be polarizing, but they consistently have the best cutting geometry of any folding production knives Ive ever handled at any price. My Stedemon Frida is .008" bte. If you just feel the grind without looking at it you'd swear it was a deep hollow zero grind. Certainly worth a look.
Awesome job with this vid, tons of info especially for someone just getting into the knife world. Lots of reasons for all the different geometries on slicers, hard use, and over the top blade profiles. That's the reason I carry multiple knives, I want something that cuts good and something I can abuse. Keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
Awesome! I knew I'd appreciate your thoughts on this subject. I never really factored in ergos or blade steel when attempting to get a knife with good edge geometry. But it makes total sense. You've quickly become my go-to for knife related content. Thanks dude keep it up 👊
Yeah I love my 940 with ti scales. It definitely has a strange blade thickness. My 3 most carried knives for work my ad10, endela with 20cv and my 940. I can do crazy stuff with my ad10 but it's limits...it only got about halfway through 8awg wire haha. Awesome video.
It rare to hear a 1/8 blade stock being called crazy thick. So many knives are way thicker than that but on a narrow blade with a saber grind that blade could/should be done with thinner stock or do a ffg grind on it. I'm a fan of 0.080 to 0.100 stock myself. Have a few knives and never had issues with them but they cut so much better than a lot of knives. For edc folders/small fixed blades you don't really need much more. Sure I dig my 940 and do thing with it I probably shouldn't but using it vs a Chaparral or a Cultrotech Slim with 0.080"/2mm blade and 0.010 and 0.015 bte you see and feel a huge difference.
I think it all depends on the blade and many other factors, the geometry, the lock, size, intended use, exc.. but as far as edc knives go that are not intended for hard use, the thinner the better as far as good cutting performance goes, you can definitely have a some what robust stock with good slicing geometry if the blade is broad enough or hollow. Because I do think to thin can be a thing especially with certain steels
I have a Spyderco cat. I was pleasantly surprised to see how well it cuts through cables whilst wearing gloves. Want another small knive with proper handles to use around the shop
In this country blade stock thickness and blade length are related. Very few people will buy say a 3 inch blade with super thin blade stock. It's too reminiscent of cheap kitchen paring knives we used when growing uo. They may work for cutting cherry tomatoes but bend too easily. A full flat grind would be better on the CRKT CEO, but if you thin the blade stock below a certain threshold people won't buy them.
On a old Nemo knives video, his Strider knives. Was a normal looking bevel, but he said was sharpened to 14°! Wish was a available knife like that, so mega slicing.
I agree with you on the 0450 and 940 bad for cutting grids . The 0450 is ok comfortable in my hand. But man those grids look good. Id like a hollow grind on my 0450cf . Cause the flipping action on my is so nice.. but still better cutter than my Hinderers lol
Do you have big hands 🙌 or those are midget knives?? Beside SAK my Buck Kingsman is smallest pocket knife I have,but I like All the knives you have shown,, I am not picky..👍👍👍🔪…Nice presentation…
Thank you so much for this! I’ve wanted to know more about different thicknesses. I carry and use an Izula, which has a maximum thickness of .16, but it has a distal taper. It could be fired from a cannon as an anti-tank round, rummaged out of the rubble and dusted off, but it really doesn’t slice that well. I’ve got my eyes squarely on Bark River as my next knife, but they have models anywhere from .16 all the way up to .22, and I don’t want to get another hard use knife that is so optimized to take a beating that it can’t do lighter tasks. Is there a general ratio of thickness/width that allows for grinds that can slice well?
I say a good grind can start at 120 thousands like civivi but it has to have a great taper like civivi. Anything less is good as long as it has a tall grind if it's short it should be hollow. If you look at the plunge you can tell, I did a video a while back on how to see good geometry from a picture online
Hey Neeves, I followed the link for the Two Sun chef knife and started looking around at the TwoSun folders. I always assumed they were less expensive so was surprised to see many above $100. Do you think they are worth paying that price?
Absolutely!!!! 💯 some are not but many are, I have many reviews and I recommend many of them some I don't like but some are absolutely incredible and worth far more
Once you try a two sun knife I think you will be able to appreciate the quality and materials some designs aren't for everyone but they have like 400 designs ya know try one you just may enjoy it!
Yes exactly, from the thickest point to the thinnest is a rapid decline, think about the difference from an ax to a chef knife, hollow grinds exist for a couple reasons one is to rapidly drop to a thin grind so that the thin grind can slowly drop to the cutting edge also so that the thickness behind the edge says the same thickness so it doesn't rapidly get thicker from Sharpening, a knife with thick geometry only gets worse with every Sharpening, but a hollow stays the same for a long time.
An axe is a wedged shape; thick at the back and narrowing apidly to a very thin edge creating a wedge that's better for splitting than cutting through material.
I have one and think it's great, the YOJIMBO is probably better for most because of its regular size, but I think it's great, the tips can be fragile as it's original intent is a fighting knife, but it also works great as a work knife as long as your careful with its tip, amazing hollow grind
"It's a multiuse knife, it should be able to do all kinds of tasks" then why can't it do any kind of tasks? Like if you can't grip it to do heavy duty use and if the blade geometry is bad for light but effective slicing and so on, then what is the philosophy behind that? How does it make to sense make a multi-purpose knife that can't do much of anything when it should be decent at everything?
It's decent, it sharpens really well and takes a screaming edge! And a better polish than d2, but I don't know about its edge retention on a controlled setting
As a wise president once said - WROOONG. This theory doesn't always apply just because of a thick spine or the type of grind. I suggest actually testing and showing things instead of yapping, that would make this video more objective and educational...
Watch my channel then you might see things like that, I'd love to see your testing with a crkt ceo cutting dense cardboard, then switch to a quiet carry waypoint let me know which works better, also let me know how Sharpening went 😆 because I've done both tested and tried, I have many videos showing testing
@@NeevesKnives I've made knives myself, I ve been sharpening knives since I was a kid. I could sharpen a 2.5cm(1inch in football field bald chicken freedom measure) wide pipe and it would cut decent. To be honest the only thing that makes a decent cutter or not with blades under 4mm thick is the angle of a leading edge bevel. Anything over that doesn't matter. I could point out more things which don't really add up but I don't think you'd wanna hear em. Im quite new to your channel and I don't say I dislike the videos, they re a pretty good point of reference for which knives are smooth and a good carry I just didn't like the theory in this video.
Gotta decide if you want robust or slicey. Every knife you showed as slicey, is not robust at all. As good as the chapparal is slicey, its easily broken with work that id do with a 940. I totally get what youre trying to show but you can't have a fillet knife with strength of a AD-20, you have to sacrifice something to gain another.
Absolutely, and that's why I was saying it needs a grind that supports its build and intent, a hard user should not be super slicey, but there are some amazing large tough built knives with amazing geometry for hard use cutting
The Slash is a ridiculous knife, Weiland probably didn’t intend for the Fatty series to be considered user knives. They’re beauties and absolutely collectible, but not designed for most every day cutting tasks. That being said…I use my Slash a lot, and while it’s kinda “funny”, it still performs well for me when I use it. Not a knife for everyone, but what the heck, you only live once…
if every knife is made to function we will loose a lot of cool looking knives. i love knives that function but i love the Miguron for its looks as well so dont bad mouth the designer bad mouth the buyer for buying a knife for what it was not made for.
That's not how that works, same knife same liner same everything can have a better grind that makes sense for the handle ergos, lock exc... and still look the same only difference is it works better for its intended use
Dude, I don't know what's going on but you're featuring the knives I'm expecting to pick-up haha! That Two Sun 999 chef knife looks fire! Thank you so much for your content, man, we really do appreciate (both of) you!
The 177 is a flat grind but yes it's a tough grind while still being plenty slicey, I would say it can do that stuff well, but a knife that is more contoured might be a bit better
Really great video and explanation of blade geometry Jerad. These are the ones that make me glad we have you in the community. Thanks.
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Extremely educational video for those looking to understand blade geometry and effective use of knives! This is a great one, thanks for the work you put in.
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Almost 20k Jared! You deserve it and much more!
Hahaha look at that flipper tab!! That's awesome.
My short time subscribed, I have accidentally learned more than I ever wanted to know. Thanks
Awesome! I've got a ton of knife talk videos and all kinds of stuff, check out my playlist
Great tutorial. More knife designers need to see this kind of thing.
The best blade geometry in my entire collection is probably my Spyderco Yojumbo. The hollow grind is Amazing! If you get one you Have to grind the bottom of the blade stock so it don't your finger, but once you do its a bad azz knife.
Just getting into knives. This information was VERY helpful. Thank you.
Awesome, I have a playlist you can check out if you're interested
@@NeevesKnives What is the name of it? I’ll check it out. Thank you.
Any experience with Stedemon/Maxace?
Their designs can definitely be polarizing, but they consistently have the best cutting geometry of any folding production knives Ive ever handled at any price.
My Stedemon Frida is .008" bte. If you just feel the grind without looking at it you'd swear it was a deep hollow zero grind.
Certainly worth a look.
Sweet! I might have to try one out
I remember this vid, very helpful info, thanks
Awesome job with this vid, tons of info especially for someone just getting into the knife world. Lots of reasons for all the different geometries on slicers, hard use, and over the top blade profiles. That's the reason I carry multiple knives, I want something that cuts good and something I can abuse. Keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
Absolutely 💯
Awesome! I knew I'd appreciate your thoughts on this subject. I never really factored in ergos or blade steel when attempting to get a knife with good edge geometry. But it makes total sense. You've quickly become my go-to for knife related content. Thanks dude keep it up 👊
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Yeah I love my 940 with ti scales. It definitely has a strange blade thickness.
My 3 most carried knives for work my ad10, endela with 20cv and my 940.
I can do crazy stuff with my ad10 but it's limits...it only got about halfway through 8awg wire haha.
Awesome video.
I lovevthe 940 as well, all knives have there limits like my chaparral it sucks at cutting down oak trees go figure
Nice 1 always enjoy your vid thank you
It rare to hear a 1/8 blade stock being called crazy thick. So many knives are way thicker than that but on a narrow blade with a saber grind that blade could/should be done with thinner stock or do a ffg grind on it.
I'm a fan of 0.080 to 0.100 stock myself. Have a few knives and never had issues with them but they cut so much better than a lot of knives. For edc folders/small fixed blades you don't really need much more. Sure I dig my 940 and do thing with it I probably shouldn't but using it vs a Chaparral or a Cultrotech Slim with 0.080"/2mm blade and 0.010 and 0.015 bte you see and feel a huge difference.
I think it all depends on the blade and many other factors, the geometry, the lock, size, intended use, exc.. but as far as edc knives go that are not intended for hard use, the thinner the better as far as good cutting performance goes, you can definitely have a some what robust stock with good slicing geometry if the blade is broad enough or hollow. Because I do think to thin can be a thing especially with certain steels
I have a Spyderco cat. I was pleasantly surprised to see how well it cuts through cables whilst wearing gloves. Want another small knive with proper handles to use around the shop
If you want a thick bladed chisel ground knife look into a Tops Mini Pry! It's probably the thickest knife I own.
Sweet
In this country blade stock thickness and blade length are related. Very few people will buy say a 3 inch blade with super thin blade stock. It's too reminiscent of cheap kitchen paring knives we used when growing uo. They may work for cutting cherry tomatoes but bend too easily. A full flat grind would be better on the CRKT CEO, but if you thin the blade stock below a certain threshold people won't buy them.
Excellent video, really learned a lot! where can I buy the Reese weiland clone, please?
I'm not sure mine was a gift maybe Allie express
I had the ZT 0450 and wanted to love it but it just wasn't good for cutting. You hit the nail on the head with that knife.
That and the claustrophobic grip
On a old Nemo knives video, his Strider knives. Was a normal looking bevel, but he said was sharpened to 14°! Wish was a available knife like that, so mega slicing.
if you find that the detent of your knife has problem, do you fix them or get ue to it?
Depends on the problem but I usually fix it if I can
I agree with you on the 0450 and 940 bad for cutting grids . The 0450 is ok comfortable in my hand. But man those grids look good. Id like a hollow grind on my 0450cf . Cause the flipping action on my is so nice.. but still better cutter than my Hinderers lol
Yeah I've always thought it would be amazing with a regrind
What was the name of the clone knife and what is the name of the real version to it???
Good information. Good video! ✌️
Do you have big hands 🙌 or those are midget knives?? Beside SAK my Buck Kingsman is smallest pocket knife I have,but I like All the knives you have shown,, I am not picky..👍👍👍🔪…Nice presentation…
I guess I have large hands not massive but they are large to xl
You have got to check out the Boker Plus kwaiken flipper duplex it's going to do lunch grind on it looks pretty cool
I just took a look wow, 176 for vg10 and steel, I'm surprised it's so expensive I have one of the regular ones in cf
Thank you so much for this! I’ve wanted to know more about different thicknesses. I carry and use an Izula, which has a maximum thickness of .16, but it has a distal taper. It could be fired from a cannon as an anti-tank round, rummaged out of the rubble and dusted off, but it really doesn’t slice that well. I’ve got my eyes squarely on Bark River as my next knife, but they have models anywhere from .16 all the way up to .22, and I don’t want to get another hard use knife that is so optimized to take a beating that it can’t do lighter tasks. Is there a general ratio of thickness/width that allows for grinds that can slice well?
I say a good grind can start at 120 thousands like civivi but it has to have a great taper like civivi. Anything less is good as long as it has a tall grind if it's short it should be hollow. If you look at the plunge you can tell, I did a video a while back on how to see good geometry from a picture online
Cool! I’ll check out that other video. I appreciate it a lot!
Hey Neeves, I followed the link for the Two Sun chef knife and started looking around at the TwoSun folders. I always assumed they were less expensive so was surprised to see many above $100. Do you think they are worth paying that price?
Absolutely!!!! 💯 some are not but many are, I have many reviews and I recommend many of them some I don't like but some are absolutely incredible and worth far more
Once you try a two sun knife I think you will be able to appreciate the quality and materials some designs aren't for everyone but they have like 400 designs ya know try one you just may enjoy it!
Ah, the CEO. A good example of a CRKT knife - silly and rather useless.
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In more detail what do you mean by very rapid?
I think he means the grind escalated so quickly from thick to thin. Like an axe.
Yes exactly, from the thickest point to the thinnest is a rapid decline, think about the difference from an ax to a chef knife, hollow grinds exist for a couple reasons one is to rapidly drop to a thin grind so that the thin grind can slowly drop to the cutting edge also so that the thickness behind the edge says the same thickness so it doesn't rapidly get thicker from Sharpening, a knife with thick geometry only gets worse with every Sharpening, but a hollow stays the same for a long time.
An axe is a wedged shape; thick at the back and narrowing apidly to a very thin edge creating a wedge that's better for splitting than cutting through material.
@@cueball981 ok right; Thanks.😊
@@NeevesKnives Thanks😊🙏🏾 ....
The more I see the Gayle Bradley, the more appealing it becomes as a user knife I'd like for my collection!
The picaro is a great budget way to kind of experience it. It's longer but they cut and use very similar although the GB is even thinner bte
awesome video. 20K!
I completeley agree with everything you said.
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Great video, the jcape has one of the best blade geometry I've ever seen it slices like a laser have you checked one of those out yet
I actually just sharpened one today absolutely amazing
Very interesting video my friend , stay safe
ALL HAIL NEEVES, FEEEEL THE BANG👐💥💥
Bang!!
Jerad, have you reviewed the Kizer Vanguard October modified sheepsfoot cleaver in 20CV?
Yes I even did the titanium prototype
@@NeevesKnives Should I buy the red Micarta one? lol
@@MountainFisher yes
What was that big bulky knife called the first one you showed
Fatty slash
Ty LOL my nickname is fatty so it will go well
They all amazing 🤩
Full flat grind like Opinel or hollow like the Buck 110 are the options.
I dont in know why half-way flat ground is the fashion atm.
A lot of people like a small flat area on the spine for Sharpening purposes
What kind of scales were on that Ceo?
Titanium aftermarket I think flytanium
I'm curious about your thoughts on the Yojumbo, that do you think of the extreme hollow grind? "comment above"
I have one and think it's great, the YOJIMBO is probably better for most because of its regular size, but I think it's great, the tips can be fragile as it's original intent is a fighting knife, but it also works great as a work knife as long as your careful with its tip, amazing hollow grind
"It's a multiuse knife, it should be able to do all kinds of tasks" then why can't it do any kind of tasks? Like if you can't grip it to do heavy duty use and if the blade geometry is bad for light but effective slicing and so on, then what is the philosophy behind that? How does it make to sense make a multi-purpose knife that can't do much of anything when it should be decent at everything?
how do you like dc53 steel
It's decent, it sharpens really well and takes a screaming edge! And a better polish than d2, but I don't know about its edge retention on a controlled setting
@@NeevesKnives always wanted to try it. pn paper it seems like a better d2 or or sleipner but didnt know cuz we all know how well china does d2
How about a vid on best clip in the industry?
The best working clips are wire, but for non deep carry sebenza but I could definitely make a long list of great and horrible clips
Nice vid….
Depends on how much force you wish to cut something open.the first knife reminds me of a sword that you old swing with force
Right but if you have to put a bunch of force then the ergos need to be comfortable to support the force
Heh what?
Bang!!!💥
As a wise president once said - WROOONG.
This theory doesn't always apply just because of a thick spine or the type of grind. I suggest actually testing and showing things instead of yapping, that would make this video more objective and educational...
Watch my channel then you might see things like that, I'd love to see your testing with a crkt ceo cutting dense cardboard, then switch to a quiet carry waypoint let me know which works better, also let me know how Sharpening went 😆 because I've done both tested and tried, I have many videos showing testing
@@NeevesKnives I've made knives myself, I ve been sharpening knives since I was a kid. I could sharpen a 2.5cm(1inch in football field bald chicken freedom measure) wide pipe and it would cut decent.
To be honest the only thing that makes a decent cutter or not with blades under 4mm thick is the angle of a leading edge bevel. Anything over that doesn't matter. I could point out more things which don't really add up but I don't think you'd wanna hear em. Im quite new to your channel and I don't say I dislike the videos, they re a pretty good point of reference for which knives are smooth and a good carry I just didn't like the theory in this video.
What’s the name of the first knife?
It's a reese Wieland fatty slash clone
perfect👌
Gotta decide if you want robust or slicey. Every knife you showed as slicey, is not robust at all. As good as the chapparal is slicey, its easily broken with work that id do with a 940. I totally get what youre trying to show but you can't have a fillet knife with strength of a AD-20, you have to sacrifice something to gain another.
Absolutely, and that's why I was saying it needs a grind that supports its build and intent, a hard user should not be super slicey, but there are some amazing large tough built knives with amazing geometry for hard use cutting
I'm not sure if I sparked the idea for this video but I REALLY needed that video. Thank you!
Yesir ya did
I've never cared for the heavy duty, over built pocket knives. If you're using it that hard, you need a different tool.
The Slash is a ridiculous knife, Weiland probably didn’t intend for the Fatty series to be considered user knives. They’re beauties and absolutely collectible, but not designed for most every day cutting tasks. That being said…I use my Slash a lot, and while it’s kinda “funny”, it still performs well for me when I use it. Not a knife for everyone, but what the heck, you only live once…
No, it was definitely made to be ridiculous and shocking, head turning and obnoxious, and that's what so awesome about it
You sound like those dudes from Alaskan bush show. Are you one of them dudes?
Lol that thumbnail
Ludt is a lazer
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if every knife is made to function we will loose a lot of cool looking knives. i love knives that function but i love the Miguron for its looks as well so dont bad mouth the designer bad mouth the buyer for buying a knife for what it was not made for.
That's not how that works, same knife same liner same everything can have a better grind that makes sense for the handle ergos, lock exc... and still look the same only difference is it works better for its intended use
People should be punished for not being experts at everything they buy. BTW, do you drive American made cars?
Dude, I don't know what's going on but you're featuring the knives I'm expecting to pick-up haha! That Two Sun 999 chef knife looks fire! Thank you so much for your content, man, we really do appreciate (both of) you!
The 177 is a flat grind but yes it's a tough grind while still being plenty slicey, I would say it can do that stuff well, but a knife that is more contoured might be a bit better
To use to cut
Opinel!