They never explored the whole city and seeing that it could be dangerous to make them it is most likely in the outskirt, the flooded areas, or possibly on another planet
@@GeneralG1810 The Ancients had one on their ship. The Replicators brought another two when they killed the Ancients and took over the city. There has been no manufacturing of ZPMs shown in the show
That would be an interesting thought. "Introducing the IZPM! And five years from now we will make an update that causes it to break and you will have to buy a new one."
I bet the way to recharge it is so simple, no one else had thought of it. i bet you just shake them vigorously for 10 minutes then re-install them. Of course the replicators will never tell us this... :)
ZPM's don't discharge, they reach maximum entropy which is irreversible. Maximum entropy is when all workable energy in a system is completely gone, either used or dissipated and you have nothing but complete evenness in the energy state. The universe we live in is in fact racing toward this state and when it reaches it, it is known as the "Heat death of the universe". There is a one way process and it would violate the laws of physics to attempt otherwise. The reason why they say ZPM's are a "universe-in-a-bottle" is because as a self contained region of space-time, they are literally not part of our universe, they are pinches of our universe, twisted off to create a small tiny universe, which as universes go, it produces energy which is then siphoned off back into OUR universe to power objects, as this happens, it starts a build up of entropy until the differential is gone and you have equilibrium and thus maximum entropy. When it reaches this state one of two things happens, A) you have a region of space-time that is completely flat and even or B) the space-time region ceases to exist, as I said maximum entropy means the energy level is even with respect to our universe and thus the self contained region ceases to be self contained and just sort of blobs back into our space-time meaning the region inside the ZPM would seem to disappear and cease to exist. To make a ZPM usable again, this would require another pinching off of space-time and the creation of a pocket universe again. You would essentially load the ZPM with another pocket universe, which even among the ancients seem to be an effort, not ridiculously hard but still an effort.
You have the up/down references in your piston example backwards. Compression builds on top of the piston on the up stroke, not under it on the down stroke - even if the engine is upside down.
How f**ing stupid some engines create circular compressions others create compression from the sides of blocks. It’s about engine format and not your shit fords or chevys.
I can't remember if this was ever addressed in the show or not. But it bothered me that they never found a shop/foundry to make ZPM's. I mean could have always shown it as a destroyed laboratory they couldn't use. But it seemed like the excuse given in the show always was "we can't replicate the ZPM's technology." They were literally in the ancient city that used it as a power source there should be some file somewhere for maintenance that would say how to make one using the tech in the city or a lab where they were built. The ZPM's were powerful but during a full scale war where shields, weapons, and other power hog devices would be constantly in use they were going to have to replace them eventually.
It takes time to translate the ancient database since not everyone can read or understand the ancient language. Also remember parts of the city were flooded and those areas contained most of the labs. By the time they were able to access those areas they were heavily involved in the war against both the wraiths and the replicators so resources had to be realocated.
The reason why new ZPM's need to be manufactured, is because they all need to be built specifically around a new subspace bubble and set to specifically tap into it. The ZPM is a universe in a bottle in a sense though, because the effects of zero point energy are devastating to a universe. It creates exotic particles, changes the zero energy state of space, etc. If the zero point energy state of our universe were to change, all matter could actually poof out of existence. The laws of physics and the existence of particles, relies on this resting energy state of the universe. So the ZPM does pull energy from outside of our universe. The ZPM is destroying the space it derives energy from, but since we don't live in that universe, it has no effects on us. In fact, I'm pretty sure they don't even really create a new mini universe, but actually just pull energy from random universes. I remember they said in one episode that the chances of a universe being occupied that the ZPM is pulling energy from, are slim. In fact, that's exactly what Rodney tried to do when he tried to create his own energy generation device using an abandoned ancient project. It was basically ZPM power on the go, allowing them to tap into any number of random universes at will, not just confined to the specific parameters and limitations a regular ZPM would have. And that's the episode where the energy generator was pulling energy from a mirror universe where Rodney meets his double.
The ability to create a zpm is inside the ancient database. So at some point after Atlantis's return to Earth Stargate command and it's researchers would have finally been able to go through all of the data that also included the instructions on how to make the drone weapons. I am also going to point out that zpm may have been set up as a 1 time use and they can not be recharged.
fran was made frome the replicator device, but was the basic model. no collective mind so no knowledge of such things. literally finished a re watch. lol love the content, wish they green light a new series or fresh show
@@TheStargateGuy well would you put the detail blueprint of a nuclear bomb into the internett. Or how detail make Vx nervegase with stuff you found at home?
@@benjaminschiel3339 Really? Blueprints for "Little Boy" "Fat Man" etc. are out there. Also there are probably NO households that have reagent grade hydrofloric {HFL} on hand
I think ZPMS are a use once type of power source, and once activated they would have to be in constant use. Think of ZPMS as hyperspace windows in a bottle. Once activated a region/frequencey of subspace is accessed. It then only becomes a matter of power draw/time before the window can no longer be substained. I think where the confusion lies with how ZPMS work is when ancient tech gets compared to forerunner tech. Good video man.
@@TheStargateGuy Actually, if we're talking about the same one that Rodney blew up most of the star system, then A) it was actually more powerful than the ZPMs, but a lot less stable, and B) the weapon was the *relief valve* for the energy so the place didn't blow up even sooner.
I always imagined a ZPM as a self contained singularity that couldn't easily collapse until the Crystal broke. The singularity pulled energy that was free moving into contact with the crystal case and the case stored it and released it as needed. I imagine that due to entropy, the singularity breaks the case down until it finally can collapse, making the case go dark. Or explosive in some instances. But this happens over thousands of years, thus it is a reliable energy source. Once the singularity can pull in enough energy or matter, the ZPM dies as the singularity fades away. So like the black holes we can make with our huge CERN Collider, but contained and kept from collapsing with a sponge. That sponge can give off energy it soaks up. Also, pretty sure CERN can make black holes... About to fact check myself on that... They'd be super tiny and collapse quickly, but... Yeah... Like the Hirogen Sensor Network. But super small. And pretty. Cuz crystals rock.
@@TheStargateGuy "Ancients." *said with both hands up Giorgio Tsoukalos style* Could be that it is a very small (microscopic) singularity. The Hirogen ones could be felt in space, but I imagine the crystal case keeps it from pulling at nearby space and subspace material, only free energy. So a dampened field that only gathers energy. Also, haven't we seen ZPM units explode violently if damaged? Not too sure about this, but I think one met a Zat. And didn't like it. They are in DHD pedestals, and those can go boom if damaged.
Just got you recommended out of nowhere, but as an huge SG fan, I have to say, that was really more informative and entertaining than I would have initialy thought! Thanks for the great Video and the ever quite non relatable TH-cam algorithm, which gave a new Sub! Cheers Mate!
Actually a motor vehicle's piston when traveling downwards, it's not compressing anything. When it's on the compression stroke it is traveling "upwards" and both of the valves closed thus creating compression and when the Piston gets to the top (max compression) a little bit of fuel is sprayed by the injector and then a spark is ignited causing an explosion or combustion, shooting the Piston back down.
Entropy is when no more work can be extracted from (insert you’re device here) as everything is the same energy level , (the energy can’t change to another form ) (once all the energy in the ZPM reaches the same temperature no more energy can be extracted)
How many ZPM could be charged with the Arcturus project? This would probably be called a ZPM mass production. Just stupid if there really should be other universes that are lost. o_o Or: How do you send the energy taken from a ZPM back to the ZPM immediately or as soon as possible?
Frankly, I never understood why the Atlantis team never found the secret for ZPM tech. Surely the Ancients had it recorded somewhere in the database, and you'd think finding that would be priority one for the expedition. In the whole series, you see nothing regarding a search for this knowledge or the devotion of manpower to finding it. They just kept looking for ZPMs that still had power. I think Rodney's "universe in a bottle" analogy is correct. The "inside" of a ZPM is artificially created and very finite in scope compared to the physical universe. Once you extract all of the potential energy in the ZPM, it's dead and "recharging" would require creating a new "universe" within the ZPM.
Well we do know that the information on ZPM's were in the Atlantis database. Weir was lamenting how they could not take the whole database with them when they were going to evacuate Atlantis. She was talking about how do you choose between information on ZPM or Ascension. Why they didn't just look it up... it's a more fun story to go through the gate and get kidnaped by Wraith.
The ancients don't call them zpm. We know this as when Dr. Weir when back in time the guy that helped her, don't remember his name, asked her "what do you call them?". So finding something you don't know the name of in a database that large is a major undertaking
@@TheStargateGuy - It would at least made more sense to say, "Yes, we know where the data is, but it's super-encrypted...might take us decades to crack it. So, we better start searching for spare ZPMs." Oh well. At least Atlantis had more consistency than SGU...that show had so many plot holes it made NO sense whatsoever. Amateur sci-fi fans could have written a less buggy plot/story.
Probably to keep desperation in the show. It was also my first question, along with drones, mini drones, personal shields, puddle jumpers, etc...With Atlantis never having full power it would keep Atlantis in a perpetual state of crisis, and fans glued to find out what’s next.
Well done sir, I’m new to the channel. Great content keep it coming. Let’s hope it’s not too long before we have new stargate content for you to make content about.
@@KohuGaly Or, like every smartphone, a kaskade transformation from hadrons. Same thing, on the actual facts. (Because, its not a vacuum, its a geometric paradox - a line is not a wave, until there is such thing as a third thing like a waveline, basicly a life form ;) Co2, in fact, makes this daily. or why you think your kacka smells like kacka. Or why the logo of the SDI looks like this.) Because, a ZPM turns in use to a generator, not like the description claimed, to a battery. So its a batterygenerator. (ZPM makes light only in activted mode). Would it be a battery alone, there would be no thing like "energy lose", because using a zpm would be recarging the zpm. You could claim, that railguns on Atlantis use the transfer, but in this case, it uses the shield generator. And because, you have the shell, the batteryeffect are online for the energytransferinfrasctrue.. Okey, i lie, a little bit. Even as generator, it recharges. but, because, in use, you only can transfer the energy. A ZPM should use 8/11 correct spins, mase technology turns it down to 1 to 10 to twelve, and politics makes out of it a a mathematical matrix. Its a little bit like, oris are only replicants, because, the chance, that daniel jackson would have turned in a gua uld, or that earth is gua uld, since he has disappered, are high enough for him, to be a god. The universum plays this most of the time simple as hyperraum technologie out, and out of this as freyman graph.
@@craigbradl4139 and the factories and recycling workshops were destroyed in the escape from the Ori galaxy.
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The only problem with the theory is: You need energy to create this "dent" in space-time. i.e. to produce a ZPM you need as much energy as you can get out of it later. Similar to an accumulator where you only get as much energy as you have previously charged. This is why McKay's statement makes more sense than Zelenka's. The ZPM contains its own space-time, which is independent of the rest of the universe. So you get energy from another place. The Arcturus project tried to extract energy from our own space-time and it triggered a catastrophe because it destabilized the space-time of our universe.
not 100 true. there stare gate universe episode were. thought dead earth dials universes gate use ZPM die gate some brought with them guess gate stay open? able unhook take with them. then plug ship flew through sun charged ZPM up. then left i guess need power shields. kinda bummer.
A fanfic story had the ZPM's being charged(and theoretically recharged) by passing through a singularity(black hole). Of course one needed to have the technology to retrieve the ZPM from the adjourning m-brane universe the singularity emptied into.
A pretty good fan fiction series had them being charged by large collection energy taps in a star that beamed their power to charge it and had linked gate networks that transferred energy from other stars.
@@rodney73991 no i dont think the stargate universe ship was powered by ZPM's at all. it was powered by scooping up energy from the sun. also all stargates were not powered by a ZPM, they drew energy from the planet around it. Universes ship couldnt even jump to hyperspace it only had an FTL drive and was like 1 million years old. you dont charge up ZPMs, once there depleted there gone.
Technically it is not a battery but rather a power source. and in our universe it can't work. On the quantum level of space/time, dual particles of mater and its counter part antimater are formed and then anihilate themselves back into the space/time think of horses on a merry-go-roud we only see them on the up stroke, (when they ave been created), and they disappear on the down stroke (when they self annihilated and create energy) It is this energy which could be what is driving inflation of space/time faster and faster. the more space there s the more particles appear and annihilate each other. These particles in out space/time quantum level actually exist. but in a ZPM, a pocket fininite sized universe, captured right after its big bang and instead of expanding by the creation and annihilation of paired matter and antimatter particles creating energy to inflate this space, the energy is syphommed off to power whatever a ZPM is attached to. When not powering something it uses the generated energy to prevent that pocket universe from expanding in stasis inside the ZPM. eventually the ZPM stop generating new particle pair because there is finite space/time inside it and it powers down, becoming inert in our universe.
Great video. It got me thinking about another way to describe it is: A conduit of Zero Point Energy from a Defined Subspace region. This is why its finite. Now how the Crystal can be re-configured to draw from another subspace region is something to think about. Maybe the crystals are not reusable or burn out.. Or maybe its just the space they draw from that is only finite.
Not that it matters a lot but i asked myself, what would Zelenka do? Pistons almost always go up when we picture the compression stroke. The squish zone is on the piston top. The bottom of the pistons with multiple cylinders jiggle the volume of air in the crankcase but essentially leave the volume static. Generally we introduce a vacuum from the intake zone as a means of containing the volatile fumes. A positive crankcase ventilation valve, a PCV, is a clever and simple device used for this purpose. Electrons should be included in any Atlantis power distribution grid talk. They're the little quantum units that do the wave until they are confined to jumping from vacant hole to hole as they wander their way through a conductor or are put to use causing something else to jiggle a little more. The jiggling is what we call heat. I do like electrons. I like to mess with them by offering two doorways then not watching which one they choose. Waving their way along has it's advantages, they're not stuck choosing which door. They just wiggle through both as long as no one is watching and forcing them to choose. Have fun. There's no shortage in choices of thinking topics when Stargate is involved. Peace and confusion are the answer. Adu
@@TheStargateGuy all part of the process of new areas of reference. No harm intended. Think of this as if it was on Stargate Command. A no troll zone of Ascension candidates. Take care and appreciate your Stargate efforts. Peace
The problem with ZPM is like having a machine gun in medieval times. If you have 1000 rounds you can make a real difference in a fight, even a war, but not in the long run. If you suddenly know how to make bullets you practically become so overpowered that nobody...literally nobody can resist you. As frustrating as it is but if the humans would have found out how to make ZPMs the series would have ended....the wraith would have been annihilated in weeks with a real strategic human mind and after that we would have basically have a terrain empire. The writers were in fact right to limit the zpms drastically although be it just for the sake of storytelling and not for any logic reason
It would be more accurate to say that the area of spacetime stored in the ZPM is oscillating at a frequency higher than regular spacetime. The other way around would not be able to do work, just like a dead battery.
Because of how they work, 'recharging' a ZPM would essentially be remaking it. They are essentially disposable. The fact that they make tiny sealed universes as disposable batteries really kind of puts the god in god like being.
I don’t think that even the ancients were able to violate the first law of thermodynamics. Perhaps the ZPMs were a way that they found to tap in to energy on a tremendous scale. Within the modules themselves they created an area of extreme order (for want of a better analogy) which could siphon energy through its tendency to increase in entropy.
There has to be ZPM factories somewhere in either the Milky Way or Pegasus galaxies on a world, moon, or space station that is off the network so only the Ancients know where they are just stocked to the rafters.
At 5:15. Its able to use it. But how does it harness it to use it ? Channel it too, and how what controls the many waves function per- second persecond to get more out of it ? Then just how does it deplete ???
*Sound waves are a form of antigravity because they have negative mass* _add_ *Sonoluminescence; is the emission of short bursts of light from imploding bubbles in a liquid when excited by sound.* That 'universe in a bottle' has a real life counter part called a star in a jar, it's our potential ZPM. Sonoluminescence proposals Quantum explanations An unusually exotic hypothesis of sonoluminescence, which has received much popular attention, is the Casimir energy hypothesis suggested by noted physicist Julian Schwinger and more thoroughly considered in a paper by Claudia Eberlein of the University of Sussex. Eberlein's paper suggests that the light in sonoluminescence is generated by the vacuum within the bubble in a process similar to Hawking radiation, the radiation generated at the event horizon of black holes. According to this vacuum energy explanation, since quantum theory holds that vacuum contains virtual particles, the rapidly moving interface between water and gas converts virtual photons into real photons. This is related to the Unruh effect or the Casimir effect. The argument has been made that sonoluminescence releases too large an amount of energy and releases the energy on too short a time scale to be consistent with the vacuum energy explanation, although other credible sources argue the vacuum energy explanation might yet prove to be correct. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence www.outerplaces.com/science/item/18750-sound-phonons-negative-gravity
Sooo I only understood like 50% of this lol. This is interesting but totally not my area of expertise. Thanks for sharing I’m gonna need to read up more it’s interesting.
It will be a fine day when science discovers how to use, and/or control energy in the Universe that we have yet to fully discover. Thanks for the great attempt to explain a power source that I have contemplated many times. I'd settle for F.T.L. drives. A few Stargate's would really be sweet. The Wraith had great tech. Credit where credit is due. Liked and subscribed. see you later.....
Anyone else notice how much the new Space Force logo looks a lot like the Stargate patch on the left shoulder seen in this video. Now the stars aren't in the same spots. Maybe they're showing the same thing from a different vantage point.
I'm a physicist and I have to start by saying I disagree with the present theories on zero point space. It is completely impossible to extract energy from the fluctuating floor of a quantum system. The floor of a quantum system obviously exists at a state smaller than Plancks constant, therefore existing as a particle and wave at the same time. The issue falls in when physicists fail to understand the system from a quantum point of view and look at it from their own point of view. Those fluctuation aren't fluctuation, they're the basis of zero existing in a quantum state that without which would violate the fundamental laws of quantum mechanics. What to us seems like a wave dipping below and above zero, is only zero on a quantum state. The people who are actually working on this are just spinning their wheels on a lack of understanding quantum structure. The ZPM as described in Stargate work based on what we currently think of as Zero Point Energy, but don't exist in our space-time. They mentioned in the show that doing this in our universe would be extreme dangerous (in theory if this was possible and used in our universe, the energy you pulled out of the system, which in this case is the universe, would pull that energy from other places to maintain balance, thus pulling from everywhere around it, weakening the structure of reality because as mentioned before, the wave you're pulling energy from, is 0, the baseline of the universe itself.) They created small pocket universes and the ZPM creates a bridge to this isolated pocket universe in order to draw energy from. The only way to recharge that would be to reverse universal entropy in a pocket universe, which if that was even possible, would require at least the same energy that was used, minus the process of doing it, and the energy to maintain the gateway. It would be far easier (relatively speaking) to create new pocket universes to draw energy from.
This is really wonderful thank you so much. I really struggled to try and grasp these concepts and I just could not find a simple explanation on this stuff. I have no problem admitting that I’m not an expert in this field so thank you thank you!
Just finished reading this and man I wish I read this before I made my first comment. This is what I was talking about. Why recharge when it makes more sense to reset, or use a new pocket dimension as you put it. Thanks for this great to know that a layman can be on a similar track as someone who actually studied physics.
My understanding (although it was many long years ago, and may be "fanon" rather than canon) was that ZPMs could be reset by changing the frequency or something like that. There was a machine to do that, but it wasnt required by the time Atlantis left, as everybody had ultra-low grade psionic capabilities. Something like resetting a ZPMs frequency might have been something they did by touching the thing.
A stream is a very good example of potential difference. A common way of generating energy today is using the flow of water to turn a generator from a stream/river. The only reason why this works is that water will always flow from high to low or from the mountains to the ocean. Water in the mountains has a much higher gravitational potential energy than water in the ocean. Higher potential energy will always move towards a lower potential, which results in the water flowing towards the ocean and finally, is where we can extract energy. Once the water reaches the ocean, it no longer has any energy difference compared to the rest of the water in the sea and has no where to flow down towards. The ocean still has a lot of potential energy, but it is the same everywhere. Its a very similar situation when thinking about extracting zero-point energy. We cannot extract energy from the quantum vacuum, as all the energy in the vacuum is the same everywhere. It might be possible to create a difference to extract energy from. This would be similar to digging a hole inland that is lower than sea level, if we then connected the hole to the ocean, the water would then naturally flow towards it which we could generate energy from (until the hole is full). But what if the quantum vacuum is not constant? Prof Derek Leinweber's work has shown that it actually fluctuates quite rapidly as seen here: th-cam.com/video/J3xLuZNKhlY/w-d-xo.html This means that there is some energy difference within empty space.. so in theory there is energy to be extracted (ZPM !!)
Actually that is not how a piston works at all. The compression of fuel and air raises the temperature of the mixture allowing a more efficient combustion.
Hey bro, I have seen almost all Stargate series, but I still haven’t seen Stargate Universe. One thing I did not get, is that The Ancients did not keep No record for how to build/create ZPMs. And The Stargate Team did not find no evidence or build-plans of The ZPM in Atlantis City Main-computer or anywhere. I was not happy about this, for every Episodes and Seasons of Stargate I was more hoping that The Stargate Team “should” look for ZPM in every mission when they took Off-World. They fund one, but it was depleted and I was so Excited when Dr. Rodney M. fund one ZPM. But still I would have like to see if they could have fund some sort of build-plans how to create/build a ZPM. I think that Stargate should continue especially Stargate Atlantis, for The Stargate Atlantis Team much more to explore in Pegasus and maybe explore another Galaxy nearby. Good video bro 👍, 🖖 ✌️ out from 🇲🇰...!
If such a source of power were feasible, I wonder how we could be certain that we're not causing problems for normal space, and what about the entities that live in subspace, if any, might we be stealing something vital to them, or in some way disrupting things for them?
For me I think the ZPM contains a micro reality. As that reality ages it releases energy. Time is different in that reality, the more energy used from the ZPM the quicker the reality go's. Time execrates. Energy can't be made or destroyed, only moved from one to another. I think that's what empathy is. Thing grow old & energy is expended from one thing to another.
a Stargate basically takes all matter converts it into information and energy to be stored on the gate before transporting and re-materializing it on the other side. Now wouldn't the amount of energy contained in ZPM make such a thing very dangerous to put into a stargate pretty much the same way that Anubis used to overload a stargate to make it explode
i know it was just plot but i feel there are several ways they could have made or acquired more ZPMs 1) covert missions to the replicator home world and just steal them like Todd did before they destroyed the planet 2)create a closed network of stargates and dial multiple gate lets say 3 and send a charged ZPM through turning 1 ZPM into 3 ZPM and do this as needed 3)once the Asgard gave them all there tech and Sam used it to make anything they need that tech might be able to make a ZPM if not that. An Asgard beam could if it can store a ZPM in the buffer they should be able to make copies 4) they can just make a basic replicator programed to just build ZPMs. just a few ideas i've had over the years and years on how they could have solve the power problem and #2 i always thought would make a good story could be an area 51 project making material for the all the ships instead of them having to mine
Well the first one we did pull off once. the second one, we aren't sure if that would work that's just theory. The third... maybe.... and the fourth is probably a bit too dangerous.
I think #1 and 4 are the most plauseable. I find it weird that they never pulled up to the replicator hone world and beam up a few dozen. Making a replicator just to build zpms is also a good idea. Just do it offworld. After All Fran did exactly what she was built to do, and did it quiet happily
3:20 yes, but it would seem to me that the "action" of distorting the fabric of reality also requires energy, a very high amount of it, probably the same amount as the one you get out of it, so you would run into the old problem of no NET gain.
Seeing as how the show never answered the question of how these macguffins are created, I have to wonder if that question was actually answered in Stargate Universe. Harvesting energy from a star then using that energy to make a more easier to use battery. Seeing as how the Destiny was launched while city-ships were in the design phase. They had already developed the technology to fuel the destiny.
The ZPMs almost certainly required more energy to manufacture than could be extracted from them, otherwise the Ancients would make millions of them and not need Project Arcturus, which produced net energy directly. One way or another, energy has to come from somewhere.
Zero Point Energy concept goes way back to Paul Dirac theorizing virtual particles spontaneously created and nearly instantly decayed in the so-called quantum vacuum of subatomic, near Planck Scale space. It was succeeded by the the so-called (Henrik) Casimir Effect, from a highly flawed idealist perspective, of measurable energy released in this process, assuming the fictitious idealist point of view of manipulation of the quantum energy realm, destroyed via the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle that the smaller in scale we view, the less we can even control it-exemplified by that we cannot observe both position and momentum of particles, in the extremely frenetic, closer to Planck Scale realm of space.
Hahahaha I started laughing when you first said you were going to explain the quantum physics of a zpm (as in not the in show explanation) in 6 minutes but you did. Great job....I also like the quote "things are gonna be technically wrong for the sake of understanding"
is the Zero Point Module most powerful and efficient from of creating energy in the Star gate universe if not what is a better source of energy what are their rankings
Everyone always goes on about recharging a ZPM, but maybe they were never ment to be recharged. I theorize that they are supposed to be "reset" instead. Think about it how do you recharge a pocket of subspace time? You can't it's like recharging a universe, but I believe you can reset it to a different pocket and draw power from there once the old one reaches maximum entropy. Just a theory that makes sense to me.
Zpm : Not to sound like O'Neill but that was a bit techno babble and I fear not many understood so here is where I come in : The Zpm is a battery based of crystal and mirror technology. When the ancients travel to space using sub light engine based space ships they include the Zpm on the exterior of the ship so they can fish and harness sub light which is a mirrage . It's like a space solar panel but capture star light as well
Um, our "sun" is a star therefore the light we see, plants use, etc. IS star light. Sub light refers to the speed a ship travels at thru "normal" space. Maybe you were thinking of subspace (which is what "hyperdrive" engines use to travel thru)?
I wonder if they used gravitics to fold the subspace between the plates in order to exploit the cashmere effect. if it takes as much energy to pull the plates apart as it does to push them together, then all you need to do is find a method of extending the distance between the plates artificially which can be done by warping the distance between them like a black hole distorts things. leastways, that'd be my theory.
Great video, I always loved the look of the ZPM. However they were NOT required for interstellar travel but they can shorten the trip. The Daedalus traveled from Earth to Atlantis in, I think, three days with a ZPM but required seven without one.
I was indeed mistaken about how long the trip is without a ZPM. As for Atlantis it my need a ZPM to travel between galaxies but Atlantis can barely do anything without one ZPM.
Sorry but that isn't true Daedalus had A ZPM installed twice the first flight to Atlantis, which took three days thanks to the ZPM, and later they used the ZPM to power the Daedalus' shield to protect Atlantis from a solar flare. I takes three weeks with the Asgard hyperdrive, as the Daedalus, Odyssey and Apollo mostly made the journey between galaxies without a ZPM.
I have looked up the transcripts from Stargate Atlantis season 1 episode 20 The Siege Part 2 Colonel Everett says 'With the ZeePM boosting her engines, she should be here inside of four days.' and in season 2 episode 2 Dr. Weir described the return to Atlantis as 'having to spend eighteen days cooped up in the ship to get back'. Also YES Atlantis is a ship and IT can only fly with ZPM power.
To be able to make on you will need to create and maintain a White Hole that is connected to subspace for it to pull out the energy without any flow back from normal space into subspace trying to equal out the exchange.
I thought they were powered by interdementional space, not by our own space, that's why we ended up with a second Rodney from another demention? That's what Genie's theory was and why they wanted her to go to Atlantis to help Rodney solve the problem, only they didn't know how to take a very small quantities and that caused some kind of particles to tear the space time. Maybe i remember wrong.
It’s an isolated pocket of subspace so it’s not our own space at all. Your right the big project that McKay blew up was trying to get it from our space
... i recall that their was an episode that a small group of defector replicator plus, one member of the sgA team, gave them a cached data of various tec of hidden civilization. surely their must be info about the replicator as well.
Well as you say ZPMS needs energy to shake what if we use sun power to shake it somehow direct providing imense power Suppose we launch a craft in space with solar panel in huge quantity and a nuclear reactor to charge zpm its like space zpm factory give you openion at that.
You know that you got the cylinder pressures backwards... As per your diagram the pressure is on the top from the exploding gasses in the engine. Therefore the cylinder is being pressured down.
Because the Asgards using bioenergy. Or do you think, guulds are the better replicants? They dont discharge, the energy in use are only not high enough, to generate the reaction, to give energy out. you discarge your smartphone, you can use a button to end the process. But, until you discarge your phone like bios wants it, you cant end the process, only the time, and, thorugh cable, a little bit of the form of energy as electrity.. I write a comment, because i read your comment. You written a comment, because you reacted.
Yes, and you want to say that with such an ancient energy source I will be able to activate my ship,,,, I don't really believe this, I tried this, and the on-board computer shows that I need such energy sources, how many atoms does the material universe have , so I continue to use the condensed crystal light reactor, because it is infinitely more efficient and biometronic than the ancient technology,,,and it only involves just the energy of a single crystalline photon of light ,,,,
This is what I dont get..the Asgard have a matter converter that can virtually make anything they want....why didnt the Tau'ri ask the asgard to study and reverse engineer a ZPM they had and for the Asgard to use their matter converter to make more ZPMs for the Tau'ri.
"Deep Breath", or simple: because, it would be the last thing, you have made with the matter converter, everything else, would disapper, because the absoulte output of the zpm changes all the time So, it would be disapper in time (hits the critical mass) or it would be disapper by using that zpm. Same Concept as the TV End of SG1.
good explanation dude. i dont think its possible - and if it is it might just not be practical to recharge them. sounds simpler to just recreate that subspace pocket from which to draw the energy.
I always wondered when general Hammond mentioned how expensive it was to "turn the lights on around here" why they didn't use naquada to power the sgc.
You would think somewhere on Atlantis there would be a ZPM manufacturing facility.
Yeah, in Atlantis, they had to be made somehow.
They never explored the whole city and seeing that it could be dangerous to make them it is most likely in the outskirt, the flooded areas, or possibly on another planet
Well when the ancients returned they managed to knock up a whole set, so you would think yes there was a manufacturing plant there somewhere
@@GeneralG1810 The Ancients had one on their ship. The Replicators brought another two when they killed the Ancients and took over the city. There has been no manufacturing of ZPMs shown in the show
BlueTheorist WOW you really put some thought into that, I totally forgot about that.
We need a new stargate series..
Indeed.
I would like to see Atlantis return home and carry on where it left off
They should continue Stargate Universe. The ending was very unsatisfying considering how the show actually began to become good in season 2.
@Schlawinius Maximus The entire show was very unsatisfying
Ummm there IS a new series lol. Download the Stargate app. They did the first season. They did a prequel series.
The ZPM's were made back when things were made to last...unlike today (hehe)
Atlantis would've been a short series if the city had been built by Apple or whoever.
Lol, that's a great observation!
@@thoughtfortheday7811 Thank you :D
@@thomaskirkness-little5809 A very short series (*Insert Teal'C voice) indeed
That would be an interesting thought. "Introducing the IZPM! And five years from now we will make an update that causes it to break and you will have to buy a new one."
I bet the way to recharge it is so simple, no one else had thought of it. i bet you just shake them vigorously for 10 minutes then re-install them. Of course the replicators will never tell us this... :)
Hahahaha that would be hilarious!
Haha it ain't no shake weight
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ZPM's don't discharge, they reach maximum entropy which is irreversible. Maximum entropy is when all workable energy in a system is completely gone, either used or dissipated and you have nothing but complete evenness in the energy state. The universe we live in is in fact racing toward this state and when it reaches it, it is known as the "Heat death of the universe". There is a one way process and it would violate the laws of physics to attempt otherwise. The reason why they say ZPM's are a "universe-in-a-bottle" is because as a self contained region of space-time, they are literally not part of our universe, they are pinches of our universe, twisted off to create a small tiny universe, which as universes go, it produces energy which is then siphoned off back into OUR universe to power objects, as this happens, it starts a build up of entropy until the differential is gone and you have equilibrium and thus maximum entropy. When it reaches this state one of two things happens, A) you have a region of space-time that is completely flat and even or B) the space-time region ceases to exist, as I said maximum entropy means the energy level is even with respect to our universe and thus the self contained region ceases to be self contained and just sort of blobs back into our space-time meaning the region inside the ZPM would seem to disappear and cease to exist.
To make a ZPM usable again, this would require another pinching off of space-time and the creation of a pocket universe again. You would essentially load the ZPM with another pocket universe, which even among the ancients seem to be an effort, not ridiculously hard but still an effort.
You have the up/down references in your piston example backwards. Compression builds on top of the piston on the up stroke, not under it on the down stroke - even if the engine is upside down.
Yeah I realized that I’m editing that goes to show you how much I work on cars lol
How f**ing stupid some engines create circular compressions others create compression from the sides of blocks. It’s about engine format and not your shit fords or chevys.
I can't remember if this was ever addressed in the show or not. But it bothered me that they never found a shop/foundry to make ZPM's. I mean could have always shown it as a destroyed laboratory they couldn't use. But it seemed like the excuse given in the show always was "we can't replicate the ZPM's technology." They were literally in the ancient city that used it as a power source there should be some file somewhere for maintenance that would say how to make one using the tech in the city or a lab where they were built. The ZPM's were powerful but during a full scale war where shields, weapons, and other power hog devices would be constantly in use they were going to have to replace them eventually.
It takes time to translate the ancient database since not everyone can read or understand the ancient language. Also remember parts of the city were flooded and those areas contained most of the labs. By the time they were able to access those areas they were heavily involved in the war against both the wraiths and the replicators so resources had to be realocated.
*Mate...Where have you been all my life? I'm a huge Stargate fan and you going through these things is awesome. (y)*
I've been in Oregon. lol. I'm glad you like the channel so much. Welcome aboard!
Heck yeah, I start binge watch most likely everything now.
What nobody noticed was there was a switch on the bottom of the ZPM that started the recharging mode.
The reason why new ZPM's need to be manufactured, is because they all need to be built specifically around a new subspace bubble and set to specifically tap into it. The ZPM is a universe in a bottle in a sense though, because the effects of zero point energy are devastating to a universe. It creates exotic particles, changes the zero energy state of space, etc. If the zero point energy state of our universe were to change, all matter could actually poof out of existence. The laws of physics and the existence of particles, relies on this resting energy state of the universe. So the ZPM does pull energy from outside of our universe. The ZPM is destroying the space it derives energy from, but since we don't live in that universe, it has no effects on us. In fact, I'm pretty sure they don't even really create a new mini universe, but actually just pull energy from random universes. I remember they said in one episode that the chances of a universe being occupied that the ZPM is pulling energy from, are slim. In fact, that's exactly what Rodney tried to do when he tried to create his own energy generation device using an abandoned ancient project. It was basically ZPM power on the go, allowing them to tap into any number of random universes at will, not just confined to the specific parameters and limitations a regular ZPM would have. And that's the episode where the energy generator was pulling energy from a mirror universe where Rodney meets his double.
Imagine the Stargate team just opening a cupboard in the control room of Atlantis one day and there sits 40+ ZPMs ready for use.
The way you use engines is backwards btw when the piston goes up it compresses
The ability to create a zpm is inside the ancient database. So at some point after Atlantis's return to Earth Stargate command and it's researchers would have finally been able to go through all of the data that also included the instructions on how to make the drone weapons. I am also going to point out that zpm may have been set up as a 1 time use and they can not be recharged.
Yeah but story wise that’s not really exciting.
It would be incredibly wasteful to have ZPMs be one time use considering how much of the ancient technology requires them to work
Rodney should've asked Fran to make some.
D'oh!
I don't think he gave her that much knowledge.
fran was made frome the replicator device, but was the basic model. no collective mind so no knowledge of such things.
literally finished a re watch. lol
love the content,
wish they green light a new series or fresh show
Or program her to get that info from the replicators
The manufacturing of ZPM are in ancients database so a replicator could understand and made a ZPM
Rodney should ask Elizabeth Heir how to recharge the ZPM when she have become a Replica
Well that or just search the database
@@TheStargateGuy well would you put the detail blueprint of a nuclear bomb into the internett. Or how detail make Vx nervegase with stuff you found at home?
She was with the rebel faction of the Relicator's. Wow that Replicator city sure had me drooling.
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@@benjaminschiel3339 Really? Blueprints for "Little Boy" "Fat Man" etc. are out there. Also there are probably NO households that have reagent grade hydrofloric {HFL} on hand
I think ZPMS are a use once type of power source, and once activated they would have to be in constant use. Think of ZPMS as hyperspace windows in a bottle. Once activated a region/frequencey of subspace is accessed. It then only becomes a matter of power draw/time before the window can no longer be substained. I think where the confusion lies with how ZPMS work is when ancient tech gets compared to forerunner tech.
Good video man.
Well I’m glad you like the video and it got you thinking. That’s the point :)
I am probably late on this but congrats on being one of the Superfans!
U can't be late if this guy's channel Is new
Your not late at all. Thank you thank you. It was rather surprising.
I cannot in April but in May Ill send Teal'c a pot of coffee. Keep up the good work bud.
Ancient scientist: "okay lets do this with our oun universe, instead of pocket one.
What can possibly go wrong???"
Ancient Military Officer: "Hey you have a new giant form of energy? Let's slap a weapon on that and see if it works. What could go wrong?" lol
@@TheStargateGuy Rodney: "Hold my beer."
@I see it like this I feel like Only 3/4! :-)
@@TheStargateGuy Actually, if we're talking about the same one that Rodney blew up most of the star system, then A) it was actually more powerful than the ZPMs, but a lot less stable, and B) the weapon was the *relief valve* for the energy so the place didn't blow up even sooner.
@@VulpisFoxfire More like 5/6
I always imagined a ZPM as a self contained singularity that couldn't easily collapse until the Crystal broke. The singularity pulled energy that was free moving into contact with the crystal case and the case stored it and released it as needed. I imagine that due to entropy, the singularity breaks the case down until it finally can collapse, making the case go dark. Or explosive in some instances. But this happens over thousands of years, thus it is a reliable energy source. Once the singularity can pull in enough energy or matter, the ZPM dies as the singularity fades away.
So like the black holes we can make with our huge CERN Collider, but contained and kept from collapsing with a sponge. That sponge can give off energy it soaks up.
Also, pretty sure CERN can make black holes... About to fact check myself on that... They'd be super tiny and collapse quickly, but... Yeah...
Like the Hirogen Sensor Network. But super small. And pretty. Cuz crystals rock.
But with a singularity that large, that would extremely dangerous.
@@TheStargateGuy "Ancients." *said with both hands up Giorgio Tsoukalos style*
Could be that it is a very small (microscopic) singularity. The Hirogen ones could be felt in space, but I imagine the crystal case keeps it from pulling at nearby space and subspace material, only free energy. So a dampened field that only gathers energy. Also, haven't we seen ZPM units explode violently if damaged? Not too sure about this, but I think one met a Zat. And didn't like it. They are in DHD pedestals, and those can go boom if damaged.
Just got you recommended out of nowhere, but as an huge SG fan, I have to say, that was really more informative and entertaining than I would have initialy thought! Thanks for the great Video and the ever quite non relatable TH-cam algorithm, which gave a new Sub! Cheers Mate!
Glad you liked the video welcome to the channel.
@@TheStargateGuy Here I am and gonna stay :D
Actually a motor vehicle's piston when traveling downwards, it's not compressing anything. When it's on the compression stroke it is traveling "upwards" and both of the valves closed thus creating compression and when the Piston gets to the top (max compression) a little bit of fuel is sprayed by the injector and then a spark is ignited causing an explosion or combustion, shooting the Piston back down.
Entropy is when no more work can be extracted from (insert you’re device here) as everything is the same energy level , (the energy can’t change to another form ) (once all the energy in the ZPM reaches the same temperature no more energy can be extracted)
How many ZPM could be charged with the Arcturus project? This would probably be called a ZPM mass production. Just stupid if there really should be other universes that are lost. o_o Or: How do you send the energy taken from a ZPM back to the ZPM immediately or as soon as possible?
Gosh, this must be the best explanation on ZPMs I have seen in years! Congrats my friend, hope we can all meet again soon at the other side!
He got entropy backwards.
Frankly, I never understood why the Atlantis team never found the secret for ZPM tech. Surely the Ancients had it recorded somewhere in the database, and you'd think finding that would be priority one for the expedition. In the whole series, you see nothing regarding a search for this knowledge or the devotion of manpower to finding it. They just kept looking for ZPMs that still had power.
I think Rodney's "universe in a bottle" analogy is correct. The "inside" of a ZPM is artificially created and very finite in scope compared to the physical universe. Once you extract all of the potential energy in the ZPM, it's dead and "recharging" would require creating a new "universe" within the ZPM.
Well we do know that the information on ZPM's were in the Atlantis database. Weir was lamenting how they could not take the whole database with them when they were going to evacuate Atlantis. She was talking about how do you choose between information on ZPM or Ascension. Why they didn't just look it up... it's a more fun story to go through the gate and get kidnaped by Wraith.
The ancients don't call them zpm. We know this as when Dr. Weir when back in time the guy that helped her, don't remember his name, asked her "what do you call them?". So finding something you don't know the name of in a database that large is a major undertaking
@@TheStargateGuy - It would at least made more sense to say, "Yes, we know where the data is, but it's super-encrypted...might take us decades to crack it. So, we better start searching for spare ZPMs."
Oh well. At least Atlantis had more consistency than SGU...that show had so many plot holes it made NO sense whatsoever. Amateur sci-fi fans could have written a less buggy plot/story.
Probably to keep desperation in the show. It was also my first question, along with drones, mini drones, personal shields, puddle jumpers, etc...With Atlantis never having full power it would keep Atlantis in a perpetual state of crisis, and fans glued to find out what’s next.
i think the information would be like a needle in a haystack, it would be like having the whole nuclear research history of the US written in greek.
I thought I was alone in the universe. Glad to see there are other humans who love Stargate.
Well done sir, I’m new to the channel. Great content keep it coming. Let’s hope it’s not too long before we have new stargate content for you to make content about.
So this is basically vacuum decay happening inside the ZPM?
pretty much....
Basically yeah....
@@KohuGaly Or, like every smartphone, a kaskade transformation from hadrons. Same thing, on the actual facts.
(Because, its not a vacuum, its a geometric paradox - a line is not a wave, until there is such thing as a third thing like a waveline, basicly a life form ;)
Co2, in fact, makes this daily. or why you think your kacka smells like kacka. Or why the logo of the SDI looks like this.)
Because, a ZPM turns in use to a generator, not like the description claimed, to a battery. So its a batterygenerator.
(ZPM makes light only in activted mode).
Would it be a battery alone, there would be no thing like "energy lose", because using a zpm would be recarging the zpm. You could claim, that railguns on Atlantis use the transfer, but in this case, it uses the shield generator. And because, you have the shell, the batteryeffect are online for the energytransferinfrasctrue..
Okey, i lie, a little bit. Even as generator, it recharges. but, because, in use, you only can transfer the energy. A ZPM should use 8/11 correct spins, mase technology turns it down to 1 to 10 to twelve, and politics makes out of it a a mathematical matrix.
Its a little bit like, oris are only replicants, because, the chance, that daniel jackson would have turned in a gua uld, or that earth is gua uld, since he has disappered, are high enough for him, to be a god. The universum plays this most of the time simple as hyperraum technologie out, and out of this as freyman graph.
I didn't understand any of that, but it was a good video and I'm glad I watched it.
Well I'm glad you like it anyway. :)
It is just a large battery
@@craigbradl4139 and the factories and recycling workshops were destroyed in the escape from the Ori galaxy.
The only problem with the theory is: You need energy to create this "dent" in space-time. i.e. to produce a ZPM you need as much energy as you can get out of it later. Similar to an accumulator where you only get as much energy as you have previously charged. This is why McKay's statement makes more sense than Zelenka's. The ZPM contains its own space-time, which is independent of the rest of the universe. So you get energy from another place. The Arcturus project tried to extract energy from our own space-time and it triggered a catastrophe because it destabilized the space-time of our universe.
And Mckay being Mckay destory a solar system. He always has to be right. The more pride you have the harder the fall.
"We don't know how to recharge this thing".
Nobody does or ever did. Even for Ancients ZPMs were a huge frikken deal.
Good episode though, all in all.
not 100 true. there stare gate universe episode were. thought dead earth dials universes gate use ZPM die gate some brought with them guess gate stay open? able unhook take with them. then plug ship flew through sun charged ZPM up. then left i guess need power shields. kinda bummer.
Well yeah, but if we could recharge them that would be awesome.
A fanfic story had the ZPM's being charged(and theoretically recharged) by passing through a singularity(black hole). Of course one needed to have the technology to retrieve the ZPM from the adjourning m-brane universe the singularity emptied into.
A pretty good fan fiction series had them being charged by large collection energy taps in a star that beamed their power to charge it and had linked gate networks that transferred energy from other stars.
@@rodney73991 no i dont think the stargate universe ship was powered by ZPM's at all. it was powered by scooping up energy from the sun. also all stargates were not powered by a ZPM, they drew energy from the planet around it. Universes ship couldnt even jump to hyperspace it only had an FTL drive and was like 1 million years old. you dont charge up ZPMs, once there depleted there gone.
Technically it is not a battery but rather a power source. and in our universe it can't work. On the quantum level of space/time, dual particles of mater and its counter part antimater are formed and then anihilate themselves back into the space/time think of horses on a merry-go-roud we only see them on the up stroke, (when they ave been created), and they disappear on the down stroke (when they self annihilated and create energy) It is this energy which could be what is driving inflation of space/time faster and faster. the more space there s the more particles appear and annihilate each other. These particles in out space/time quantum level actually exist. but in a ZPM, a pocket fininite sized universe, captured right after its big bang and instead of expanding by the creation and annihilation of paired matter and antimatter particles creating energy to inflate this space, the energy is syphommed off to power whatever a ZPM is attached to. When not powering something it uses the generated energy to prevent that pocket universe from expanding in stasis inside the ZPM. eventually the ZPM stop generating new particle pair because there is finite space/time inside it and it powers down, becoming inert in our universe.
An easier way to look at this is a ZPM is a battery, and a dam. It was explained in the SGA series.
I'm curious wouldn't the design be in the database in Atlantis.
It's a shame they didn't know ZPM's existed before Daniel ascended, or he definitely would have brought that specific knowledge back with him.
YEAH.. and what about the Asgard Before facing their extinction, they endowed all their knowledge
Great video. It got me thinking about another way to describe it is: A conduit of Zero Point Energy from a Defined Subspace region. This is why its finite. Now how the Crystal can be re-configured to draw from another subspace region is something to think about. Maybe the crystals are not reusable or burn out.. Or maybe its just the space they draw from that is only finite.
I think in the case of the ZPM, the subspace is artificially created, hence, it can be recharged, or more precisely, rebuilt.
Not that it matters a lot but i asked myself, what would Zelenka do? Pistons almost always go up when we picture the compression stroke. The squish zone is on the piston top. The bottom of the pistons with multiple cylinders jiggle the volume of air in the crankcase but essentially leave the volume static. Generally we introduce a vacuum from the intake zone as a means of containing the volatile fumes. A positive crankcase ventilation valve, a PCV, is a clever and simple device used for this purpose.
Electrons should be included in any Atlantis power distribution grid talk. They're the little quantum units that do the wave until they are confined to jumping from vacant hole to hole as they wander their way through a conductor or are put to use causing something else to jiggle a little more. The jiggling is what we call heat. I do like electrons. I like to mess with them by offering two doorways then not watching which one they choose. Waving their way along has it's advantages, they're not stuck choosing which door. They just wiggle through both as long as no one is watching and forcing them to choose. Have fun. There's no shortage in choices of thinking topics when Stargate is involved. Peace and confusion are the answer. Adu
Yeah I messed up the directions of my pistons. That goes to show how often I work on cars. lol.
@@TheStargateGuy all part of the process of new areas of reference. No harm intended. Think of this as if it was on Stargate Command. A no troll zone of Ascension candidates. Take care and appreciate your Stargate efforts. Peace
Hey we'll get a chance to see this working on November 9th.
The problem with ZPM is like having a machine gun in medieval times. If you have 1000 rounds you can make a real difference in a fight, even a war, but not in the long run.
If you suddenly know how to make bullets you practically become so overpowered that nobody...literally nobody can resist you.
As frustrating as it is but if the humans would have found out how to make ZPMs the series would have ended....the wraith would have been annihilated in weeks with a real strategic human mind and after that we would have basically have a terrain empire. The writers were in fact right to limit the zpms drastically although be it just for the sake of storytelling and not for any logic reason
It would be more accurate to say that the area of spacetime stored in the ZPM is oscillating at a frequency higher than regular spacetime. The other way around would not be able to do work, just like a dead battery.
Well I could see that.
this guy gets it
Thank you for the awesome explanation as to what Zero Point Energy is. I never did get that from the show. Well done well done😎👍
Thanks man I appreciate it.
Because of how they work, 'recharging' a ZPM would essentially be remaking it. They are essentially disposable.
The fact that they make tiny sealed universes as disposable batteries really kind of puts the god in god like being.
I don’t think that even the ancients were able to violate the first law of thermodynamics. Perhaps the ZPMs were a way that they found to tap in to energy on a tremendous scale. Within the modules themselves they created an area of extreme order (for want of a better analogy) which could siphon energy through its tendency to increase in entropy.
There has to be ZPM factories somewhere in either the Milky Way or Pegasus galaxies on a world, moon, or space station that is off the network so only the Ancients know where they are just stocked to the rafters.
At 5:15. Its able to use it. But how does it harness it to use it ? Channel it too, and how what controls the many waves function per- second persecond to get more out of it ? Then just how does it deplete ???
*Sound waves are a form of antigravity because they have negative mass* _add_ *Sonoluminescence; is the emission of short bursts of light from imploding bubbles in a liquid when excited by sound.* That 'universe in a bottle' has a real life counter part called a star in a jar, it's our potential ZPM.
Sonoluminescence proposals
Quantum explanations
An unusually exotic hypothesis of sonoluminescence, which has received much popular attention, is the Casimir energy hypothesis suggested by noted physicist Julian Schwinger and more thoroughly considered in a paper by Claudia Eberlein of the University of Sussex. Eberlein's paper suggests that the light in sonoluminescence is generated by the vacuum within the bubble in a process similar to Hawking radiation, the radiation generated at the event horizon of black holes. According to this vacuum energy explanation, since quantum theory holds that vacuum contains virtual particles, the rapidly moving interface between water and gas converts virtual photons into real photons. This is related to the Unruh effect or the Casimir effect. The argument has been made that sonoluminescence releases too large an amount of energy and releases the energy on too short a time scale to be consistent with the vacuum energy explanation, although other credible sources argue the vacuum energy explanation might yet prove to be correct.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence
www.outerplaces.com/science/item/18750-sound-phonons-negative-gravity
Sooo I only understood like 50% of this lol. This is interesting but totally not my area of expertise. Thanks for sharing I’m gonna need to read up more it’s interesting.
You....hurt my brain.
they have the technology to make it in the milkyway galaxy the same platform that makes the weapons to kill the ori can build zpms
Really liking this guys videos.
It will be a fine day when science discovers how to use, and/or control energy in the Universe that we have yet to fully discover. Thanks for the great attempt to explain a power source that I have contemplated many times. I'd settle for F.T.L. drives. A few Stargate's would really be sweet. The Wraith had great tech. Credit where credit is due. Liked and subscribed. see you later.....
Well explained. Nicely done.
Anyone else notice how much the new Space Force logo looks a lot like the Stargate patch on the left shoulder seen in this video. Now the stars aren't in the same spots. Maybe they're showing the same thing from a different vantage point.
Stargate guy, your physics understanding is pretty good man..
Got your explanations of piston function backwards there...
That's what I was going to say
Been waiting for this, good work!
Thanks glad you like it
I'm a physicist and I have to start by saying I disagree with the present theories on zero point space. It is completely impossible to extract energy from the fluctuating floor of a quantum system. The floor of a quantum system obviously exists at a state smaller than Plancks constant, therefore existing as a particle and wave at the same time. The issue falls in when physicists fail to understand the system from a quantum point of view and look at it from their own point of view. Those fluctuation aren't fluctuation, they're the basis of zero existing in a quantum state that without which would violate the fundamental laws of quantum mechanics. What to us seems like a wave dipping below and above zero, is only zero on a quantum state. The people who are actually working on this are just spinning their wheels on a lack of understanding quantum structure.
The ZPM as described in Stargate work based on what we currently think of as Zero Point Energy, but don't exist in our space-time. They mentioned in the show that doing this in our universe would be extreme dangerous (in theory if this was possible and used in our universe, the energy you pulled out of the system, which in this case is the universe, would pull that energy from other places to maintain balance, thus pulling from everywhere around it, weakening the structure of reality because as mentioned before, the wave you're pulling energy from, is 0, the baseline of the universe itself.) They created small pocket universes and the ZPM creates a bridge to this isolated pocket universe in order to draw energy from. The only way to recharge that would be to reverse universal entropy in a pocket universe, which if that was even possible, would require at least the same energy that was used, minus the process of doing it, and the energy to maintain the gateway. It would be far easier (relatively speaking) to create new pocket universes to draw energy from.
This is really wonderful thank you so much. I really struggled to try and grasp these concepts and I just could not find a simple explanation on this stuff. I have no problem admitting that I’m not an expert in this field so thank you thank you!
@@TheStargateGuy I find the trick is not having friends or a life, lol. I've been studying quantum physics for decades, it's a passion of mine.
Just finished reading this and man I wish I read this before I made my first comment. This is what I was talking about. Why recharge when it makes more sense to reset, or use a new pocket dimension as you put it. Thanks for this great to know that a layman can be on a similar track as someone who actually studied physics.
My understanding (although it was many long years ago, and may be "fanon" rather than canon) was that ZPMs could be reset by changing the frequency or something like that. There was a machine to do that, but it wasnt required by the time Atlantis left, as everybody had ultra-low grade psionic capabilities. Something like resetting a ZPMs frequency might have been something they did by touching the thing.
A stream is a very good example of potential difference. A common way of generating energy today is using the flow of water to turn a generator from a stream/river. The only reason why this works is that water will always flow from high to low or from the mountains to the ocean. Water in the mountains has a much higher gravitational potential energy than water in the ocean. Higher potential energy will always move towards a lower potential, which results in the water flowing towards the ocean and finally, is where we can extract energy. Once the water reaches the ocean, it no longer has any energy difference compared to the rest of the water in the sea and has no where to flow down towards. The ocean still has a lot of potential energy, but it is the same everywhere.
Its a very similar situation when thinking about extracting zero-point energy. We cannot extract energy from the quantum vacuum, as all the energy in the vacuum is the same everywhere. It might be possible to create a difference to extract energy from. This would be similar to digging a hole inland that is lower than sea level, if we then connected the hole to the ocean, the water would then naturally flow towards it which we could generate energy from (until the hole is full).
But what if the quantum vacuum is not constant? Prof Derek Leinweber's work has shown that it actually fluctuates quite rapidly as seen here: th-cam.com/video/J3xLuZNKhlY/w-d-xo.html
This means that there is some energy difference within empty space.. so in theory there is energy to be extracted (ZPM !!)
Wow this is a really cool analogy!
your piston analogy is reversed....up is compressed, down is not. but the quantum fluctuations explanation was decent
Either his description was inverted or his illustration was inverted. Either way, A for effort.
Actually that is not how a piston works at all. The compression of fuel and air raises the temperature of the mixture allowing a more efficient combustion.
Hey bro, I have seen almost all Stargate series, but I still haven’t seen Stargate Universe.
One thing I did not get, is that The Ancients did not keep No record for how to build/create ZPMs.
And The Stargate Team did not find no evidence or build-plans of The ZPM in Atlantis City Main-computer or anywhere. I was not happy about this, for every Episodes and Seasons of Stargate I was more hoping that The Stargate Team “should” look for ZPM in every mission when they took Off-World. They fund one, but it was depleted and I was so Excited when Dr. Rodney M. fund one ZPM.
But still I would have like to see if they could have fund some sort of build-plans how to create/build a ZPM.
I think that Stargate should continue especially Stargate Atlantis, for The Stargate Atlantis Team much more to explore in Pegasus and maybe explore another Galaxy nearby.
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Stargate and Physics... i love it.
If such a source of power were feasible, I wonder how we could be certain that we're not causing problems for normal space, and what about the entities that live in subspace, if any, might we be stealing something vital to them, or in some way disrupting things for them?
its artificial subspace
You would have to get a pocket of space with no life in it in order to make sure your not killing people by accident.
Good God, that is the words description of quantum mechanics I’ve ever seen
For me I think the ZPM contains a micro reality. As that reality ages it releases energy. Time is different in that reality, the more energy used from the ZPM the quicker the reality go's. Time execrates. Energy can't be made or destroyed, only moved from one to another. I think that's what empathy is. Thing grow old & energy is expended from one thing to another.
a Stargate basically takes all matter converts it into information and energy to be stored on the gate before transporting and re-materializing it on the other side. Now wouldn't the amount of energy contained in ZPM make such a thing very dangerous to put into a stargate pretty much the same way that Anubis used to overload a stargate to make it explode
i know it was just plot but i feel there are several ways they could have made or acquired more ZPMs
1) covert missions to the replicator home world and just steal them like Todd did before they destroyed the planet
2)create a closed network of stargates and dial multiple gate lets say 3 and send a charged ZPM through turning 1 ZPM into 3 ZPM and do this as needed
3)once the Asgard gave them all there tech and Sam used it to make anything they need that tech might be able to make a ZPM if not that. An Asgard beam could if it can store a ZPM in the buffer they should be able to make copies
4) they can just make a basic replicator programed to just build ZPMs.
just a few ideas i've had over the years and years on how they could have solve the power problem and #2 i always thought would make a good story could be an area 51 project making material for the all the ships instead of them having to mine
Well the first one we did pull off once. the second one, we aren't sure if that would work that's just theory. The third... maybe.... and the fourth is probably a bit too dangerous.
I think #1 and 4 are the most plauseable. I find it weird that they never pulled up to the replicator hone world and beam up a few dozen. Making a replicator just to build zpms is also a good idea. Just do it offworld. After All Fran did exactly what she was built to do, and did it quiet happily
3:20 yes, but it would seem to me that the "action" of distorting the fabric of reality also requires energy, a very high amount of it, probably the same amount as the one you get out of it, so you would run into the old problem of no NET gain.
this video is literally all the knowledge i have on quantum physics? its fascinating though
Seeing as how the show never answered the question of how these macguffins are created, I have to wonder if that question was actually answered in Stargate Universe. Harvesting energy from a star then using that energy to make a more easier to use battery. Seeing as how the Destiny was launched while city-ships were in the design phase. They had already developed the technology to fuel the destiny.
Thanks for another good video
Your welcome, I'm glad you liked it.
The ZPMs almost certainly required more energy to manufacture than could be extracted from them, otherwise the Ancients would make millions of them and not need Project Arcturus, which produced net energy directly. One way or another, energy has to come from somewhere.
Or that project came before the discovery
Zero Point Energy concept goes way back to Paul Dirac theorizing virtual particles spontaneously created and nearly instantly decayed in the so-called quantum vacuum of subatomic, near Planck Scale space.
It was succeeded by the the so-called (Henrik) Casimir Effect, from a highly flawed idealist perspective, of measurable energy released in this process, assuming the fictitious idealist point of view of manipulation of the quantum energy realm, destroyed via the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle that the smaller in scale we view, the less we can even control it-exemplified by that we cannot observe both position and momentum of particles, in the extremely frenetic, closer to Planck Scale realm of space.
Its the comic book guy from the simpsons
Hahahaha I started laughing when you first said you were going to explain the quantum physics of a zpm (as in not the in show explanation) in 6 minutes but you did. Great job....I also like the quote "things are gonna be technically wrong for the sake of understanding"
is the Zero Point Module most powerful and efficient from of creating energy in the Star gate universe if not what is a better source of energy what are their rankings
Everyone always goes on about recharging a ZPM, but maybe they were never ment to be recharged. I theorize that they are supposed to be "reset" instead. Think about it how do you recharge a pocket of subspace time? You can't it's like recharging a universe, but I believe you can reset it to a different pocket and draw power from there once the old one reaches maximum entropy. Just a theory that makes sense to me.
Interesting, I like it.
Yeah but what about when one of those run out energy like a die like a Taiwan was found in Antarctica
Great Video. Liked and subscribed. Keep up the good work. I am going to be watching more of your videos.
Thanks for watching I'm glad you liked it. Welcome to the club, I hope you find some more videos you like!
This is really cool and how you explain it makes me want to learn more
Zpm : Not to sound like O'Neill but that was a bit techno babble and I fear not many understood so here is where I come in :
The Zpm is a battery based of crystal and mirror technology. When the ancients travel to space using sub light engine based space ships they include the Zpm on the exterior of the ship so they can fish and harness sub light which is a mirrage . It's like a space solar panel but capture star light as well
Um, our "sun" is a star therefore the light we see, plants use, etc. IS star light. Sub light refers to the speed a ship travels at thru "normal" space. Maybe you were thinking of subspace (which is what "hyperdrive" engines use to travel thru)?
What is your basis for this?
I wonder if they used gravitics to fold the subspace between the plates in order to exploit the cashmere effect. if it takes as much energy to pull the plates apart as it does to push them together, then all you need to do is find a method of extending the distance between the plates artificially which can be done by warping the distance between them like a black hole distorts things. leastways, that'd be my theory.
Great video, I always loved the look of the ZPM. However they were NOT required for interstellar travel but they can shorten the trip. The Daedalus traveled from Earth to Atlantis in, I think, three days with a ZPM but required seven without one.
3 weeks with a ZPM. the cant reach pegasus without one.
Atlantis isn't getting anywhere without a ZPM and that was designed to be ship.
I was indeed mistaken about how long the trip is without a ZPM. As for Atlantis it my need a ZPM to travel between galaxies but Atlantis can barely do anything without one ZPM.
Sorry but that isn't true Daedalus had A ZPM installed twice the first flight to Atlantis, which took three days thanks to the ZPM, and later they used the ZPM to power the Daedalus' shield to protect Atlantis from a solar flare. I takes three weeks with the Asgard hyperdrive, as the Daedalus, Odyssey and Apollo mostly made the journey between galaxies without a ZPM.
I have looked up the transcripts from Stargate Atlantis season 1 episode 20 The Siege Part 2 Colonel Everett says 'With the ZeePM boosting her engines, she should be here inside of four days.' and in season 2 episode 2 Dr. Weir described the return to Atlantis as 'having to spend eighteen days cooped up in the ship to get back'. Also YES Atlantis is a ship and IT can only fly with ZPM power.
It should be in the Ancients database on how to recharge the battery
The Ancient Database would have tutorial for ZPM. It could be dumbed down to the level of advancement of those trying to create ZPM.
And yet, our hero's did not perform an Ancient Database Google search. lol
To be able to make on you will need to create and maintain a White Hole that is connected to subspace for it to pull out the energy without any flow back from normal space into subspace trying to equal out the exchange.
Interesting thanks
The Wraith had a epic idea to jump noboard the ship when the Replicators was being sucked back down to there Planet that was a epic time to take them
I thought they were powered by interdementional space, not by our own space, that's why we ended up with a second Rodney from another demention?
That's what Genie's theory was and why they wanted her to go to Atlantis to help Rodney solve the problem, only they didn't know how to take a very small quantities and that caused some kind of particles to tear the space time.
Maybe i remember wrong.
It’s an isolated pocket of subspace so it’s not our own space at all. Your right the big project that McKay blew up was trying to get it from our space
... i recall that their was an episode that a small group of defector replicator plus, one member of the sgA team, gave them a cached data of various tec of hidden civilization. surely their must be info about the replicator as well.
Of course not, and don't call me Sherly. :)
You lost me when you said Piston going down to create pressure...
Very helpful video.
they need this guy on set of the new series!
Well thanks, I appreciate it. Your welcome to mention that to stargatecommand.co. :)
You are explaining in layman's terms. What we do on a computer help desk with everyone else.
Well as you say ZPMS needs energy to shake what if we use sun power to shake it somehow direct providing imense power
Suppose we launch a craft in space with solar panel in huge quantity and a nuclear reactor to charge zpm its like space zpm factory give you openion at that.
You know that you got the cylinder pressures backwards... As per your diagram the pressure is on the top from the exploding gasses in the engine. Therefore the cylinder is being pressured down.
Yeah I realized that after the video was published. Just a little blooper that slipped though. Thanks for watching. :)
Great video, always wondered how ZPMs work
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Good explanation.
Then how come they discharge? And why dont the Asgard have info on them?
Because the Asgards using bioenergy. Or do you think, guulds are the better replicants?
They dont discharge, the energy in use are only not high enough, to generate the reaction, to give energy out. you discarge your smartphone, you can use a button to end the process. But, until you discarge your phone like bios wants it, you cant end the process, only the time, and, thorugh cable, a little bit of the form of energy as electrity..
I write a comment, because i read your comment. You written a comment, because you reacted.
Yes, and you want to say that with such an ancient energy source I will be able to activate my ship,,,, I don't really believe this, I tried this, and the on-board computer shows that I need such energy sources, how many atoms does the material universe have , so I continue to use the condensed crystal light reactor, because it is infinitely more efficient and biometronic than the ancient technology,,,and it only involves just the energy of a single crystalline photon of light ,,,,
This is what I dont get..the Asgard have a matter converter that can virtually make anything they want....why didnt the Tau'ri ask the asgard to study and reverse engineer a ZPM they had and for the Asgard to use their matter converter to make more ZPMs for the Tau'ri.
"Deep Breath", or simple: because, it would be the last thing, you have made with the matter converter, everything else, would disapper, because the absoulte output of the zpm changes all the time So, it would be disapper in time (hits the critical mass) or it would be disapper by using that zpm. Same Concept as the TV End of SG1.
Oh, they could make a drained ZPM shell easily enough, But generating the pocket universe that it uses for it's power source? Not so much.
you might want to rethink your explanation on how a internal combustion engine works (100% backwards)
Just got the up and down wrong. The point is still valid though.
Surely your first 'google' search when you got access to the Atlantis mainframe, would have been 'how to make a zpm'.....
good explanation dude. i dont think its possible - and if it is it might just not be practical to recharge them. sounds simpler to just recreate that subspace pocket from which to draw the energy.
Could be.
That is some complicated science.
It takes a little bit to wrap your head around, but it's kinda cool once you do.
@@TheStargateGuy zpm's are cool. I wrote a stargate themed book and zpm's are integral part of it.
SGC could do with one of these to power the facility.
Indeed.
@@TheStargateGuy thanks, Teal'c. 😁
I always wondered when general Hammond mentioned how expensive it was to "turn the lights on around here" why they didn't use naquada to power the sgc.
Ja Pr they probably switched to it later In The series to cut the electric bill cost