Yes they added an extra week break but they handed out points for it. I'm not even upset that they didn't race because I am off for people being safe but to give points out still come on. It should have been canceled completely with no points or rescheduled come on guys.
Lol 🤣 that would've been amazing. And offcourse include timestamp like "the podcast start", "sorry delayed", "safety test", etc.. so we still have the anticipation of not knowing exactly when it will start.
Same. I was really impressed in the pre-race podcast where she really excelled on the host role. She has become such a vital part of the channel, and I love to see it
I think the answer to points is pretty easy. Just do it as a waterfall. You do 75-100% full points. 50 - 74% 3/4 points 25-49% 1/2 points 0-24% 1/4 points That seems simple and resolves any issues of a super short race
I stand by the half points. Qualifying matters and has a huge impact on any race. Even if a race couldn’t go ahead at all I’d argue that half points for qualifying is fair since they’ve done ‘half’ the job qualifying. Totally against them using this to justify not refunding though
That's the issue the only reason f1 did the 2 laps and called it a race is because they didnt want to refund the fans who attended. They only awarded half points for this reason, not for propper purposes. Its extremely poor with how f1 have treated those fans in the end.
Please stop spreading this myth. They wouldn't have refunded the tickets anyhow. The T&C made that very clear. Not to mention that is the venue's problem, not F1. The two "farce" laps around was just to reward points based on qualifying, which I, like you, think is reasonable (honestly I'd rather see the rules changed to solidify that qualy would reward half points if the race was cancelled, without having to do 2 laps behind safety car)
@@Excludos apart from it was clearly done to stop f1 having to payout for not having the event, Masi said as much on team radio when they did the 2 laps behind safety car. Hamilton, Vetel and Alonso have also confirmed this with how they reacted to the situation. Only 3 drivers who had the balls to speak out on the subject. They rewarded half points, purely for the reason of being able to label it a "race and "event fullfilled" for the business side of things and legal obligations.
I feel like George Russell getting a hollow podium after a brilliant qualifying lap in spa was just the universe coming back into balance after what happened to him at the 2020 Sakhir Grand Prix
I found it hillarious. I would definitely have preferred a race, but I thought it was actually quite entertaining listening to the Crofty podcast and everyone baffled with what was going on.
It was a joke but not a funny one. I've been watching F1 for over 25 years and this was the worst event I've seen in that time. It's unbelievable that a championship that has been going for over 70 years has absolutely no plan for what to when it rains. If F1 doesn't refund the fans after this it would definitely make me think twice about going to a race ever again
I was following a really good weather forecast and there was a window of 0 rain 18:10-18:50 as late as 17:45, the race directors saw the same and that's why they were postponing it. Unfortunately the window disappeared literally as they started anouncing the race will take place.
The scary thing is that if Lando hadn’t crashed yesterday then they probably would’ve have gone racing regardless of what the drivers were saying. I think that Lando’s crash alerted the FIA to the possible risks of racing in those conditions and made them realise that they couldn’t safely allow those cars to race in conditions like that.
I’m going to defend the FIA here: Katy, Matt, Tommy-the FIA know the rules; it’s how the rules are applied to factual scenarios that becomes the complication. The regulations are a sort of law, which has significant consequences if misinterpreted and misapplied. What your saw on Sunday was the FIA making sure their application of the rules was correct (re Perez) by checking with the stewards. In the relation to “ignoring the rules”, the FIA has the power to stop the time limit force majeure. It’s literally in the regs. Interpretation of the regs and application to the facts is a fine skill, and my head explodes when “arm chair experts” think they know better than the people who have the responsibility to keep the drivers and fans safe and adjudicate the sport.
When Lewis says "fans should be refunded" he gets hate but if vettel said the exact same he would be labelled a saint. Lewis says points shouldn't be given out and gets hate, alonso, vettel and norris say the same and get praised. I hate the f1 community ngl
Schumacher used to get the same hate when he was fighting with Alonso for 05’ 06’ titles. Except the internet didn’t exist back then. I’m sure Hamilton would take his 7 titles over internet hate any day of the week.
Yea i was waiting in the rain for 11 hours and could see on the weather radars that it would only get worse, they only did the 2 saftey car laps so people couldn’t get refunds, speaking of i spent 600 bucks to see a saftey car
@@ajcF1 Thanks mate, I got really tired about this bullshit myself and I was pretty damn sure there would be a clause like that somewhere. But it's nice to have a source to confirm my assumptions. P.S. Lewis should have kept his damned mouth shut as well.
Had a chat with my dad (who always gives me good alternate viewpoints to what I see on Twitter and comment sections) while talking about what should be done to Eau Rouge-Raidillon. I mentioned the two schools of thought, which are obviously change up Eau Rouge (which he said isn't possible, with how the water flows right underneath the section, and also the fact that the floods they had at the track recently that caused the mudslides had it flooded from La Source all the way to the top of Raidillon), and then the extension of the crash barriers to stop flinging the cars back onto the track. So, he mentioned the grass on the inside of the corners, and suggested making it a straight, keeping the elevation, which is what he love about Eau Rouge-Raidillon, but eliminating the lateral forces on the car that the current corner gives, which is what generally causes all the recent crashes we've seen. It keeps the feeling of Eau Rouge alive, and would help eliminate more crashes. You can still extend the barriers and run off, but, not to the extent you would have to if you left Eau Rouge-Raidillon as it is. Thoughts?
I'd be pissed if this was my first one. Although... My first race was Austria 2020 and that got delayed 4 months so at least there's a race next week I guess.
Michael Masi (after 3 hrs) : i think we’ve performed our contractual obligations. Wrap it up and call it a Race. Hand the trophies and lets go home. 😜😜😜😜😜
I was one of the fans out there, at SPA, got home wet and cold after hours of standing in the rain and more hours of standing in traffic.Massive dissapointment on how the organisers dealt with the hole event .👎🏼 However I am looking forward for the IBR since yesterday “race” was a goldmine for memes 😂👌🏼 Keep up the good work WTF1, love your content guys! ❤️
I hope you at least either didn't travel far, saw the qualifying, and maybe tied it in with a visit to other parts of Belgium as well so it wasn't a massive waste
I’m going to watch the podcast later, but I just wanted to check how long the podcast is. You really managed to make a 1,5 hour podcast for a 3 minute race while you already did a 45 min podcast after quali!😆 How?!? Can’t imagine what you need all that time for, but I’ll find it out when I’m gonna listen to it🤗
Katy needs to rant more, I definitely think she had at least 100 more points that I would've been all to happy to listen to. KATY!!!! Stop apologizing for doing the work and being passionate about the sport! Your voice is super valid and I think it'd be cool for the FIA to ask you about the annotated notes you made. 😊
I was there too, it was actually my first gp.. we left at 4am and luckily still managed to get in at 10, but everything turned so ridiculously muddy. I felt like race control really tried to keep us there as long as possible for "an expectional sprint race like never seen before" that they knew wasn't going to happen. In the crowd we all kept on checking the conditions and knew with every delay and the restart it wouldn't take long before they'd red flag it. And ofcourse for driver safety it was crucial to call it quits because we too in the crowd could see the amount of spray was just insane, but they acted as if the whole sky came crashing down with rain while the whole day it was just drizzling most of the time. Ofcourse after hours upon hours this turns to huge puddles, but with the f3 race in the morning and im not 100% sure but with porsche too, they did like 4-5 formation laps to get the track dry and I don't get how they didn't even opt to do that. I wasn't happy with the fact they still handed points out, because it didn't do justice for me and all the fans who attended because we never got to see and actual lap. When you do not hear Spa cheering for Max anymore, you know the day was a total mess. Me and my friends were all Max fans, but honestly at the end of the day we were only happy Russell got his first podium. I'm pretty sure Max and Lewis do not feel like this podium does justice for the day. Very very sad this is how it turned out for my first gp, you just don't wish this to anybody. In short: the crowd kept cheering when the safety car came by as we saw it more often than the drivers self.
Sorry your first go was such a disaster. I guess from your comment you didn't get to see qualy as well which sucks. I know how much of a pain Spa is to get to if your staying anywhere but Spa. My first gp was spa 5 years ago and was amazing, I hope you get to go to another and even spa again if it hasn't soured you too much. I was annoyed back then because I stayed in Francochamps thinking its the closest town so they will have shuttle buses, but my year was the first year they decided to not
To have shuttle from Francochamps, and just from the nearest large city which pissed me off. In the end I walked /hitchiked to the track and back. On the Saturday was horrible long walk, on the Sunday hitching to a race can be fun lol. Got to ride in some fun cars and get out before the queue for parking
@@matthewdunn6732 yeah didn't see quali either... Spa is actually my favourite track so this was a huge bummer.. there were public busses that had no clue where they were going, tractors pulling cars out of the mud i really saw it all and it was a mess..
What is the purpose of the full wet tyre? When you can use them there is so much spray, that the visibility is so bad that you can't race and you drive behind the safety car or red flag the race. When the visibility is better and you can race, the full wet is much slower than the inter.
Everyone wants to complain, but not realise that these were some extraordinary conditions and they did the best they could do.. let's focus on zandvoort now
Ikr. I feel bad for the people at the circuit but it's not the FIA's fault it rained. So many people just need somebody to blame. Matt seems to be the only one keeping a cool and logical head. People need to chill.
I don’t know how this myth about “extraordinary conditions” has started, but NO those were NOT extraordinary conditions. That was pretty normal rain. If F1 has decided that from now on they can not take that kind of rain, they shoudl never come to Spa again. Because the chance of getting similar or even heavier rain is like - what? 20%?
@@arekkusu888 bruh are you for real? Did you see how much water the cars were spraying back? Onboard cameras couldn't even see the red light from the car in front. Other Motorsport events are slower and their cars are much more forgiving to the weather. If they had decided to race yesterday and someone had crashed in eau rouge no one would even know until the red flag dropped with a huge pile up of cars and someone in the hospital fighting for death. Hindsight is always 20/20. And if the Circuit refunded all the money, we won't even see Spa on the calendar next year!
My ticket from Portugal last year has a point that says that in the situation that the event is cancelled due to weather predicaments, I wasn't entitled to a refund
On the tyres, you essentially have three options: Deeper tread to cut through more water and prevent aquaplaning, wider tread to shift more water and thinner tyres to cut through standing water. Shifting water to the side rather than directly up behind the car - the single greatest force by a huge margin acting on the water is the centripedal force yeeting the water out from the direction the tyre is spinning. You could probably do something with the tread to send more water sideways but whatever sideways force you can put on the water will always be dwarfed by the centrepedal effect. Once the water is in the air, the droplets follow the airflow around the car. The very low pressure behind the car is what causes F1 cars to create such large plumes of spray - by that point the water droplets are essentially visualising the dirty air behind the car and so even if you could throw the water sideways, it'll get sucked directly behind the car anyway. In essence, having the tyre throw more water isn't an option because visibility is already a problem with the current tyres leaving the last option being making the tyres physically thinner to reduce the effect of aquaplaning without adding to visibility options. There used to be a "monsoon" tyre in the early 2000s and before but they stopped being produced since the gap between full wet and red flag was very small. To me, there is a question of why they bother bringing wet tyres to races as the gap between intermediate tyre and red flag is almost negligible now.
For the decision about delaying the clock at one hour to go until they eventually gave up, that's not part of the F1 regs, but part of the FIA's sporting code that applies to all FIA series, not just F1. It includes things like entry requirements (for drivers, teams and even the racing series themselves), circuit requirements and approval, and universal safety requirements.
Probably an unpopular opinion but I`ll post it anyway: In my opinion the FIA made the right choice. And I don`t think there would have been really any other viable option. It was far too dangerous to so racing on this day would never have been an option. Of course they could have just cancelled the race but I dont think that would have been fair for all the teams who put in an great effort to have to go home with no reward. So they did the right thing drove those two laps and awarded half points. The only other option I could have imagined was racing on Monday but that would have been almost impossible to accomplish due to the next race already being this weekend and monday being a normal working day in Belgium. Plus a lot of team members already had plans for that monday so not everyone would have been available anyway. Had I been in the same situation and had i been given the same options I‘d have done the same. Of course it‘s sad for the fans on track and in front of the TV but nobody can control the weather. And now i prepare myself for the biggest shitstorm ever
You guys are awesome, you made a 1:27h video on a 3 lap race. A* from me. Three word race review: What a sh*tshow. A bit bummed that Lando decided to turn his car into a carbon fiber fidget spinner. Could've score a P1.
Katy actually read the rulebook *and* took notes?? Can we make her the race director? I predict a red flag due to rain in Zandvoort. It'll be so funny.
@@liadupuis9265 You're right, I looked into the long term predicition graph of the National weather institute and they predict rain for sunday afternoon. But it's a national prediction and it might not even hit Zandvoort. We'll have to wait a couple of days more I'm afraid.
As a McLaren fan I am glad we managed to reovertake Ferrari in the constructors standings but it shouldn’t have happened. It is a disgrace to the sport that they sent the drivers out to do two laps to classify it as a “race” and even contemplated awarding half points for not a single lap of racing is completely farcical. The FIA need to fix these rules NOW and not keep changing rules on the spot in order to excuse charging these fans for watching this “race”. Sorry for the rant
I think Charlie Whiting did know what was going on, he knew how to handle the paddock and the FIA and every member of the F1 family, he understood the racing, he spoke and listened to the drivers, if Charlie was around I think yesterday would of probably been handled a lot differently, I miss Charlie 😢
You giving him too much credit. He just didn’t have that many cameras and microphones on him. And there was no social media. He let a race start in Spa in 1998, and half the field crashed out. He was in charge when the teams couldn’t agree to a tire solution and you had that Indy 2005 debacle. There is plenty more. Imola 2004 we almost lost 3 drivers that day. 2 is waaaay to much. Also having literally millions of people yell at you via social media, and all this exposés on safety. Makes you red flag a race at any accident these days. Is Massie doing a great job? I honestly don’t know. I couldn’t do it, but seeing a poorly written vague rule book, race debacles isn’t a new thing since Whiting left us.
TBH the Perez incident showed that Massi first wanted to just apply some common sense: "you cannot join", but because Red Bull pushed on a reason why and because the race wasn't technically started yet, the race director couldn't just say "it's because I say so" because it would be obviously protested by the team. Since there wasn't any clear rule that would disallow Red Bull to put Checo back, Massi couldn't really force them to not join the race. Basically - everything is legal until a law says otherwise
If the Miami GP goes through for next year, fair warning, our summer storms are worse than what we saw at spa and during certain parts of the year they are really common.
Only Lewis could outqualify his teammate by 2.4 seconds in a car which was difficult to drive because it had a low downforce setup on in case of dry conditions, and get a B in ABCDEF1 😂
@@elliotcrossan6290 I mean, true I guess it's because Max Verstappen won and winners usually get the top grades but yeah. Looking at what Perez did in the same car, Max was great!
@@saiyerugara9038 Hamilton and Verstappen both outqualified their teammates by a bigger margin than anyone else on the grid -- 2.4 seconds for Lewis, 2.3 seconds for Max. They should both get A.
@@elliotcrossan6290 I would probably have gone B for Hamilton but then Bottas probably gets a D. You would have to go E- for Perez though because he made the mistake. Verstappen won so an A+ is fair.
How is Hamilton putting it on the podium a B but Max is an A*? That’s def biased against a 7 time champ putting the expectations so high. He was only like 2 hundredths out of second and out qualified everyone else. It’s either an A or Max is just an A. And Ricardo is an A. What does he gotta do? The reason he gets a B is how fast Lando does but then Lando gets a D? Agree with Katy 100% on this one. Then Vettel gets an A for qualifying BEHIND Danny Ric who got a B? Wtf
Hamilton got beaten by a Williams but I guess because Bottas got a D, a B is fair for LH. Vettel is in a slower car than Ricciardo and wasn't too far off beating him so a slightly higher grade is deserved.
Possible way to communicate schedule change: have the track or the event (whoever actually distributes the tickets) email everyone who purchased a ticket the night before. Everyone gets a confirmation email after the ticket is purchased, so it should be pretty easy to send out another email to notify everyone that the schedule has been updated.
I went to silverstone when the moto GP was called off. Exactly the same situation and we were refunded 50% of our weekend ticket within like 2/3 weeks. They did incredible
Also they told us the night before that the pushed the moto GP race in front of other categories to try and get the race to go ahead. F1 could learn a lot
I think applying the sprint race points would’ve been a good idea. 12 points for not racing makes no sense. And I like Katy’s idea of changing the rule to “green” laps instead of behind the safety car.
Kinda sad to hear Lando got a D from the 3 when he was like a test bunny to do Qualifying and it was literally Masi's mistake to not red flagged the session.
It never should of got to that point. Seb was right that should of been red flagged before that. Lando may think it was his error but the reality is that session should of been red flagged . He walked away from that which frankly was the only result that was important this past weekend.
For me it's Masi's fault because Q3 should be red flagged in the first place. Yes it is Lando's fault now because the mistake but Masi's should call the Red Flag before and Lando probably on the front row. Also it's like they ignored the performance that Lando did on Q1 and Q2, that's why I'm sad that he's got rated D
The issue this weekend wasn't aquaplaning, so more extreme tires wouldn't have helped. The main issue is that the cars pull the water upwards with their aero, so there is no visibility no matter the tires. I don't think there is a solution for this sort of weather. It's just not possible to race these cars, when there is enough water to completely kill visibilty... (monaco (or other low speed tracks) might have been able to go ahead in conditions such as these, since speeds are much lower, therefore the needed visibility is lower and the water doesn't get thrown up quite as badly at lower speeds)
You make a good point Tommy about changing the timing of the race. I was at the 2018 MotoGP Grand Prix at Silverstone which was a washout. FIM and Dorna tried to have the race earlier and push the Moto 2 race to later, as the forecast showed it would rain most of the afternoon. Stuck in the stands in the rain for hours waiting, the race got cancelled after several hours. We did get a refund. I had a weekend ticket but my refund was for a small portion of what would have been the percentage of the Sunday’s ticket.
Age of F1 Drivers (2021) (For F1 drivers, 0.1 second separates a great driver from a good driver so a significant age gap and a corresponding decline in reflux is huge) 1. Kimi Raikkonen (41) 1 driver championship (2007) 2. Fernando Alonso (40) 2 driver championships (2005, 2006) 3. Lewis Hamilton (36) 7 driver championships (2008, 2014, 2015, 2017-20) 4. Sebastian Vettel (34) 4 driver championships (2010, 2011, 2012, 2013) 5. Valtteri Bottas (32) 6. Daniel Riccardo (32) 7. Sergio Péres (31) 8. Antonio Giovanazzi (27) 9. Carlos Sainz (26) 10. Nicolas Latifi (26) 11. Pierre Gasly (25) 12. Esteban Ocon (24) 13. Max Verstappen (23) 👈 14. Charles LeClerc (23) 👈 15. George Russell (23) 👈 16. Lance Stroll (22) 17. Mick Schumacher (22) 18. Nikita Mazepin (22) 19. Lando Norris (21) 👈 20. Yuki Tsunoda (21)
I was at work on sunday (restaurant) till 10pm and i was excited to see the race because id never seen one before as my dad only just bought Sky f1. Well my experience went amazingly 😁👍🏻 be happy to watch if every race was like this
What F1 needs is someone like Katy who's sitting there with an excellent grasp on the rules and a few others who know sections of the rules to where they can quote them and they advise the race director and stewards (who should also try to know the rules). Also, the rules may need to be revised.
I'm still wondering about the tires, haven't found any reactions or feedback on them. I mean the green vs the blue ones, in Q particularly. How come a soaking wet track works with green inters, and does not work with blue ones .. add more rain and all of a sudden, no tire works at all and Lando is in the wall, rightly so, trowing his not-working-blue-tires all over the place. Is there a fundamental problem with the current blue tires ? What situation WOULD work and be good for them then ??
Martin Brundle explained in the sky sports commentary that it's something to do with the temps. The wets heat up much faster than the inters which is why a lot of them were on the inters rather than wets, the inters are also the faster and more preferable tyre, so if they can go with the inters they will. The wets shift more water than the inters but heat up faster and are slower in terms of pace. However, the problem wasn't so much the tyres but the sheer amount of rain causing the cars to aquaplane, which is less to do with the tyres and more to do with the mass of the cars, being lighter they aquaplane easier and tyre choice only helps so far.
Those fans were straight up robbed. Paid a lot of money just to get drenched to watch a cloud of spray go round the track precisely 3 times with a red Mercedes at the front
Whatever the race is going to bring at Zandvoort, the quali is going to be amazing. Really looking forward to seeing the cars to full speed on that track again.
Hamilton fans say; if Verstappen wins within 5 points it was “gifted” to him Verstappen/other fans say; if Hamilton wins with 25 ( *25-43 points, depending on if they count Hungary* ) points or less he didn’t deserve it Verstappen lost up to 76 points through no fault of his own, these 5 points don’t remotely make up for that. I find it hilarious that people hate on Verstappen for Belgium (as if he made it rain, and made these decisions) while praising Russell🙄 who is also the only driver who actually seemed -understandably- happy about what happened British biased be like
Purely academic questions: 1. If the race had resumed and the time limit had not been an issue, how long should the race have been? 43 laps (-1 for the double formation lap) or 39 (that plus -1 for each "delayed start" message that were sent out before 15:30)? 2. Had someone in the top 10 set the fastest lap behind the safety car, should he have been awarded half a point for that?
This is like that Cricket World Cup Final between England and New Zealand when it rolled on to a super over and even then both teams were matched so they decided to give it to the one with more boundaries. Seemed like they made it up as they went. Just 2 months later that rule was changed lol.
I just can't stop thinking about Katy's annotated document on the sporting regulations, any chance you can send me that? Or is that like being one of those students asking for other peoples summaries? 🙋🏻♀️
Funny how "always" Mexicans support Perez but you guys do not have any biases towards British drivers. Btw, Checo deserves an F, because consequences matter.
Camped in literal mud, paid a shit load of money for the tickets, and sat in the rain for 10 hours straight just to eat 10€ (not even good) fries and see no race. One of the worst days of my life. You can't call something a race when overtaking was literally not allowed for the whole duration.
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Just like the start of the Belgium GP
@@huplim so that means we will never get it, or just 30sec of it :/
So it’s delayed…. I guess we’re not getting refunds then…
IBR update - We are getting an IBR update in ten minutes :)
Will you do two reactions, stop for an hour and then do two more reactions before cancelling the video 😉
Bold decision by F1 to add an extra week to the summer break
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Yes they added an extra week break but they handed out points for it. I'm not even upset that they didn't race because I am off for people being safe but to give points out still come on. It should have been canceled completely with no points or rescheduled come on guys.
Haha
3 minutes of "racing" and an 1,5h podcast. This has to top the 2019 french gp podcast
came to the comments to find this one first, now to watch the podcast :)
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My thoughts.
Was just thinking this has to be the most hilarious ratio of laps raced to podcast length
To be fair there was 0 minutes of racing. That 3 minutes was just cars driving behind the safety car.
The longest podcast ever
For the shortest race ever
It going to be longest internets best reactions as well. Lots of meme moments
@@sierd150120 At least we got some nice memes haha
*insert bottas traditions meme*
You beat me to it, my friend
Fitting
Should have recorded 3 hours of empty chairs and then do a 3 min review
HAHAHAHAH
That would have been amazing! 😂
Lol 🤣 that would've been amazing. And offcourse include timestamp like "the podcast start", "sorry delayed", "safety test", etc.. so we still have the anticipation of not knowing exactly when it will start.
KATY VS CHAIR
It's incredible that Katy only joined last year and now I can't even imagine the podcast without her.
Same. I was really impressed in the pre-race podcast where she really excelled on the host role. She has become such a vital part of the channel, and I love to see it
did you realize she's a woman? wtf bro
@@oosaizoo2989 ?????????
10/10
mazepin finally showed his amazing racing skills by setting the fastest lap. im sure mclaren are rushing to get him to replace lando norris.
He's the Rainmaster now
Isn't it ironic that he did the Fastest Lap of the Race, behind a Safety Car?
He technically CAN still win the WDC
@@KomboAndy he will win it*
Probably wouldnt do any worse than daniel has.
Perez managed to drop 13 places in the classification without being overtaken 🤣
Fun stat 👍😀
and without racing or getting a penalty 😂
*Insert joke combining "very wet", "didn't last long" and "dissatisfied" here*
USA 2005: I'm the worse F1 race ever
Spa 2021: Hold my beer! 🍺
Hold my pommes
I think the answer to points is pretty easy. Just do it as a waterfall.
You do 75-100% full points.
50 - 74% 3/4 points
25-49% 1/2 points
0-24% 1/4 points
That seems simple and resolves any issues of a super short race
That would work imo.
I stand by the half points. Qualifying matters and has a huge impact on any race. Even if a race couldn’t go ahead at all I’d argue that half points for qualifying is fair since they’ve done ‘half’ the job qualifying.
Totally against them using this to justify not refunding though
That's the issue the only reason f1 did the 2 laps and called it a race is because they didnt want to refund the fans who attended. They only awarded half points for this reason, not for propper purposes. Its extremely poor with how f1 have treated those fans in the end.
Half points should be awarded for completing half the race
Please stop spreading this myth. They wouldn't have refunded the tickets anyhow. The T&C made that very clear. Not to mention that is the venue's problem, not F1. The two "farce" laps around was just to reward points based on qualifying, which I, like you, think is reasonable (honestly I'd rather see the rules changed to solidify that qualy would reward half points if the race was cancelled, without having to do 2 laps behind safety car)
@@Excludos apart from it was clearly done to stop f1 having to payout for not having the event, Masi said as much on team radio when they did the 2 laps behind safety car. Hamilton, Vetel and Alonso have also confirmed this with how they reacted to the situation. Only 3 drivers who had the balls to speak out on the subject. They rewarded half points, purely for the reason of being able to label it a "race and "event fullfilled" for the business side of things and legal obligations.
They should’ve used the same qualifying points like the sprint race. Not half points, in my opinion.
I feel like George Russell getting a hollow podium after a brilliant qualifying lap in spa was just the universe coming back into balance after what happened to him at the 2020 Sakhir Grand Prix
Russell said ‘stop the count!’ after qualifying and it actually worked, a madness
I found it hillarious. I would definitely have preferred a race, but I thought it was actually quite entertaining listening to the Crofty podcast and everyone baffled with what was going on.
It was a joke but not a funny one. I've been watching F1 for over 25 years and this was the worst event I've seen in that time. It's unbelievable that a championship that has been going for over 70 years has absolutely no plan for what to when it rains. If F1 doesn't refund the fans after this it would definitely make me think twice about going to a race ever again
I was following a really good weather forecast and there was a window of 0 rain 18:10-18:50 as late as 17:45, the race directors saw the same and that's why they were postponing it. Unfortunately the window disappeared literally as they started anouncing the race will take place.
This is what no one else has realised so far. 🤣 You're the only one making sense 😉
Great insight. It seems what indeed happened
The scary thing is that if Lando hadn’t crashed yesterday then they probably would’ve have gone racing regardless of what the drivers were saying. I think that Lando’s crash alerted the FIA to the possible risks of racing in those conditions and made them realise that they couldn’t safely allow those cars to race in conditions like that.
I believe so as well.
Thinking of the German Gp 2019. The spray seemed worse.
I’m going to defend the FIA here: Katy, Matt, Tommy-the FIA know the rules; it’s how the rules are applied to factual scenarios that becomes the complication. The regulations are a sort of law, which has significant consequences if misinterpreted and misapplied. What your saw on Sunday was the FIA making sure their application of the rules was correct (re Perez) by checking with the stewards. In the relation to “ignoring the rules”, the FIA has the power to stop the time limit force majeure. It’s literally in the regs. Interpretation of the regs and application to the facts is a fine skill, and my head explodes when “arm chair experts” think they know better than the people who have the responsibility to keep the drivers and fans safe and adjudicate the sport.
money
I love how Micks rating has nothing to do with the race or his driving, just the Jorden tribute and his helmet
When Lewis says "fans should be refunded" he gets hate but if vettel said the exact same he would be labelled a saint. Lewis says points shouldn't be given out and gets hate, alonso, vettel and norris say the same and get praised. I hate the f1 community ngl
I’m no Hamilton fan but we all know why he gets so much hate.
Schumacher used to get the same hate when he was fighting with Alonso for 05’ 06’ titles. Except the internet didn’t exist back then. I’m sure Hamilton would take his 7 titles over internet hate any day of the week.
The GP was basically the FIA acting as if a race was going to happen for 3 hours.
Yea i was waiting in the rain for 11 hours and could see on the weather radars that it would only get worse, they only did the 2 saftey car laps so people couldn’t get refunds, speaking of i spent 600 bucks to see a saftey car
@@ajcF1 Thanks mate, I got really tired about this bullshit myself and I was pretty damn sure there would be a clause like that somewhere. But it's nice to have a source to confirm my assumptions.
P.S. Lewis should have kept his damned mouth shut as well.
Had a chat with my dad (who always gives me good alternate viewpoints to what I see on Twitter and comment sections) while talking about what should be done to Eau Rouge-Raidillon. I mentioned the two schools of thought, which are obviously change up Eau Rouge (which he said isn't possible, with how the water flows right underneath the section, and also the fact that the floods they had at the track recently that caused the mudslides had it flooded from La Source all the way to the top of Raidillon), and then the extension of the crash barriers to stop flinging the cars back onto the track.
So, he mentioned the grass on the inside of the corners, and suggested making it a straight, keeping the elevation, which is what he love about Eau Rouge-Raidillon, but eliminating the lateral forces on the car that the current corner gives, which is what generally causes all the recent crashes we've seen. It keeps the feeling of Eau Rouge alive, and would help eliminate more crashes. You can still extend the barriers and run off, but, not to the extent you would have to if you left Eau Rouge-Raidillon as it is.
Thoughts?
As a new F1 fan, this was the very first race I ever watched live. And what a race!!
I'd be pissed if this was my first one. Although... My first race was Austria 2020 and that got delayed 4 months so at least there's a race next week I guess.
mine was azerbaijan 2018, and 2 redbulls went into each other
Michael Masi (after 3 hrs) : i think we’ve performed our contractual obligations. Wrap it up and call it a Race. Hand the trophies and lets go home. 😜😜😜😜😜
Pretty much
I was one of the fans out there, at SPA, got home wet and cold after hours of standing in the rain and more hours of standing in traffic.Massive dissapointment on how the organisers dealt with the hole event .👎🏼
However I am looking forward for the IBR since yesterday “race” was a goldmine for memes 😂👌🏼
Keep up the good work WTF1, love your content guys! ❤️
The fact people like you won’t get a refund is disgusting.
I hope you at least either didn't travel far, saw the qualifying, and maybe tied it in with a visit to other parts of Belgium as well so it wasn't a massive waste
"Well we race around Monaco and they get full points so..." I'm dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m going to watch the podcast later, but I just wanted to check how long the podcast is. You really managed to make a 1,5 hour podcast for a 3 minute race while you already did a 45 min podcast after quali!😆 How?!? Can’t imagine what you need all that time for, but I’ll find it out when I’m gonna listen to it🤗
It's a thorough discussion of the rules and the ethics of not giving refunds... A really good listen and way more fun that yesterday's race...
I really hope this is not Michael Masi's burner account otherwise he's in for quite a ride
Katy needs to rant more, I definitely think she had at least 100 more points that I would've been all to happy to listen to.
KATY!!!! Stop apologizing for doing the work and being passionate about the sport! Your voice is super valid and I think it'd be cool for the FIA to ask you about the annotated notes you made. 😊
We genuinely don't deserve Katie. FIA should boot Masi and hire her lol
You could have watched the whole race on a flight from Heathrow to Gatwick.
More like watch the race from the gate to the plane
Haha, could've watched the race probably 3 times over just taxiing to the runway.
Matt wanted Rain so much that he got all of it while he wasnt there...
The longest podcast in this channel so far, for the official shortest Grand Prix in history... _Epic_ 👌🏼💯👍🏻...
The name WTF1 was never more appropriate than this past weekend
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I was there too, it was actually my first gp.. we left at 4am and luckily still managed to get in at 10, but everything turned so ridiculously muddy. I felt like race control really tried to keep us there as long as possible for "an expectional sprint race like never seen before" that they knew wasn't going to happen. In the crowd we all kept on checking the conditions and knew with every delay and the restart it wouldn't take long before they'd red flag it.
And ofcourse for driver safety it was crucial to call it quits because we too in the crowd could see the amount of spray was just insane, but they acted as if the whole sky came crashing down with rain while the whole day it was just drizzling most of the time. Ofcourse after hours upon hours this turns to huge puddles, but with the f3 race in the morning and im not 100% sure but with porsche too, they did like 4-5 formation laps to get the track dry and I don't get how they didn't even opt to do that.
I wasn't happy with the fact they still handed points out, because it didn't do justice for me and all the fans who attended because we never got to see and actual lap. When you do not hear Spa cheering for Max anymore, you know the day was a total mess.
Me and my friends were all Max fans, but honestly at the end of the day we were only happy Russell got his first podium. I'm pretty sure Max and Lewis do not feel like this podium does justice for the day.
Very very sad this is how it turned out for my first gp, you just don't wish this to anybody.
In short: the crowd kept cheering when the safety car came by as we saw it more often than the drivers self.
Sorry your first go was such a disaster. I guess from your comment you didn't get to see qualy as well which sucks. I know how much of a pain Spa is to get to if your staying anywhere but Spa. My first gp was spa 5 years ago and was amazing, I hope you get to go to another and even spa again if it hasn't soured you too much. I was annoyed back then because I stayed in Francochamps thinking its the closest town so they will have shuttle buses, but my year was the first year they decided to not
To have shuttle from Francochamps, and just from the nearest large city which pissed me off. In the end I walked /hitchiked to the track and back. On the Saturday was horrible long walk, on the Sunday hitching to a race can be fun lol. Got to ride in some fun cars and get out before the queue for parking
@@matthewdunn6732 yeah didn't see quali either... Spa is actually my favourite track so this was a huge bummer.. there were public busses that had no clue where they were going, tractors pulling cars out of the mud i really saw it all and it was a mess..
What is the purpose of the full wet tyre? When you can use them there is so much spray, that the visibility is so bad that you can't race and you drive behind the safety car or red flag the race. When the visibility is better and you can race, the full wet is much slower than the inter.
I was at the race, so thanks for the support. No joke, makes me feel better.
Absolutely gutted we didn't get to hear, "And George Russel take the lead of the Belgian Gran prix!"
Katy's reaction to the FIA is the cornerstone of this podcast
Everyone wants to complain, but not realise that these were some extraordinary conditions and they did the best they could do.. let's focus on zandvoort now
Ikr. I feel bad for the people at the circuit but it's not the FIA's fault it rained. So many people just need somebody to blame. Matt seems to be the only one keeping a cool and logical head. People need to chill.
I don’t know how this myth about “extraordinary conditions” has started, but NO those were NOT extraordinary conditions. That was pretty normal rain. If F1 has decided that from now on they can not take that kind of rain, they shoudl never come to Spa again. Because the chance of getting similar or even heavier rain is like - what? 20%?
@@arekkusu888 bruh are you for real? Did you see how much water the cars were spraying back? Onboard cameras couldn't even see the red light from the car in front. Other Motorsport events are slower and their cars are much more forgiving to the weather. If they had decided to race yesterday and someone had crashed in eau rouge no one would even know until the red flag dropped with a huge pile up of cars and someone in the hospital fighting for death. Hindsight is always 20/20. And if the Circuit refunded all the money, we won't even see Spa on the calendar next year!
My ticket from Portugal last year has a point that says that in the situation that the event is cancelled due to weather predicaments, I wasn't entitled to a refund
On the tyres, you essentially have three options: Deeper tread to cut through more water and prevent aquaplaning, wider tread to shift more water and thinner tyres to cut through standing water.
Shifting water to the side rather than directly up behind the car - the single greatest force by a huge margin acting on the water is the centripedal force yeeting the water out from the direction the tyre is spinning. You could probably do something with the tread to send more water sideways but whatever sideways force you can put on the water will always be dwarfed by the centrepedal effect. Once the water is in the air, the droplets follow the airflow around the car. The very low pressure behind the car is what causes F1 cars to create such large plumes of spray - by that point the water droplets are essentially visualising the dirty air behind the car and so even if you could throw the water sideways, it'll get sucked directly behind the car anyway.
In essence, having the tyre throw more water isn't an option because visibility is already a problem with the current tyres leaving the last option being making the tyres physically thinner to reduce the effect of aquaplaning without adding to visibility options.
There used to be a "monsoon" tyre in the early 2000s and before but they stopped being produced since the gap between full wet and red flag was very small.
To me, there is a question of why they bother bringing wet tyres to races as the gap between intermediate tyre and red flag is almost negligible now.
For the decision about delaying the clock at one hour to go until they eventually gave up, that's not part of the F1 regs, but part of the FIA's sporting code that applies to all FIA series, not just F1. It includes things like entry requirements (for drivers, teams and even the racing series themselves), circuit requirements and approval, and universal safety requirements.
"Katy vs FIA" :D Headline of the day
0:06 "first ever race review non race review" Australia 2020: I am a joke to you?
Probably an unpopular opinion but I`ll post it anyway: In my opinion the FIA made the right choice. And I don`t think there would have been really any other viable option. It was far too dangerous to so racing on this day would never have been an option. Of course they could have just cancelled the race but I dont think that would have been fair for all the teams who put in an great effort to have to go home with no reward. So they did the right thing drove those two laps and awarded half points. The only other option I could have imagined was racing on Monday but that would have been almost impossible to accomplish due to the next race already being this weekend and monday being a normal working day in Belgium. Plus a lot of team members already had plans for that monday so not everyone would have been available anyway. Had I been in the same situation and had i been given the same options I‘d have done the same. Of course it‘s sad for the fans on track and in front of the TV but nobody can control the weather. And now i prepare myself for the biggest shitstorm ever
"2 British f1 fans go to the 2021 Netherlands Grand Prix." Sounds like a perfect opening line for an anectode :D
They'll probably be found dead the next day if Lewis wins it
God Damn Katy you just crushed it.That was the rant i was waiting for after yesterday Amazing job, love you, love the channel. Keep it up homies!!!.
It was basically F1's version of Fyre Festival.
You guys are awesome, you made a 1:27h video on a 3 lap race.
A* from me.
Three word race review: What a sh*tshow.
A bit bummed that Lando decided to turn his car into a carbon fiber fidget spinner. Could've score a P1.
When is the internetts best reactions coming
When the editor wakes up.
It's weird how drivers got more points for driving 2 laps behind the safety car at Spa than for driving a 100km sprint race at Silverstone.
Katy actually read the rulebook *and* took notes?? Can we make her the race director?
I predict a red flag due to rain in Zandvoort. It'll be so funny.
Same! I'm feeling it! Rain will be back next weekend (but will hopefully provide some good racing)
Nope, they predict 27 degrees and no rain for Sunday, very low chance.
@@falcovg2 Well my weather app says 40% chance of rain on Sunday...lets see what happens!
@@liadupuis9265 You're right, I looked into the long term predicition graph of the National weather institute and they predict rain for sunday afternoon. But it's a national prediction and it might not even hit Zandvoort. We'll have to wait a couple of days more I'm afraid.
@@falcovg2 Ah ok! At the end of the day, rain or no rain, we just all hope to finally see some racing :D
The podcast, that is 29 times longer than racing
As a McLaren fan I am glad we managed to reovertake Ferrari in the constructors standings but it shouldn’t have happened. It is a disgrace to the sport that they sent the drivers out to do two laps to classify it as a “race” and even contemplated awarding half points for not a single lap of racing is completely farcical. The FIA need to fix these rules NOW and not keep changing rules on the spot in order to excuse charging these fans for watching this “race”. Sorry for the rant
As soon as that weather forecast set in, I knew that the F1 Gods had decided they'd had enough of Matt's complaining about rain.
I am mexican, and yeah, E for Perez... its hard to be logic and not just passionate! hahahaha Cheers guys, love your content.
I think Charlie Whiting did know what was going on, he knew how to handle the paddock and the FIA and every member of the F1 family, he understood the racing, he spoke and listened to the drivers, if Charlie was around I think yesterday would of probably been handled a lot differently, I miss Charlie 😢
You giving him too much credit. He just didn’t have that many cameras and microphones on him. And there was no social media.
He let a race start in Spa in 1998, and half the field crashed out. He was in charge when the teams couldn’t agree to a tire solution and you had that Indy 2005 debacle. There is plenty more. Imola 2004 we almost lost 3 drivers that day. 2 is waaaay to much.
Also having literally millions of people yell at you via social media, and all this exposés on safety. Makes you red flag a race at any accident these days.
Is Massie doing a great job? I honestly don’t know. I couldn’t do it, but seeing a poorly written vague rule book, race debacles isn’t a new thing since Whiting left us.
@@sloppynyuszi 👌
Loved it Katy. Keep ranting to your hearts content ❤
TBH the Perez incident showed that Massi first wanted to just apply some common sense: "you cannot join", but because Red Bull pushed on a reason why and because the race wasn't technically started yet, the race director couldn't just say "it's because I say so" because it would be obviously protested by the team. Since there wasn't any clear rule that would disallow Red Bull to put Checo back, Massi couldn't really force them to not join the race. Basically - everything is legal until a law says otherwise
Did they talk about Hamilton and the ‘’ poop fiasco’’ on the podcast?
If the Miami GP goes through for next year, fair warning, our summer storms are worse than what we saw at spa and during certain parts of the year they are really common.
Only Lewis could outqualify his teammate by 2.4 seconds in a car which was difficult to drive because it had a low downforce setup on in case of dry conditions, and get a B in ABCDEF1 😂
He lost to Russell which hurt his grade somewhat I guess. He got a considerably better grade than Bottas though.
@@saiyerugara9038 Verstappen was only three tenths ahead of Russell in a car with more inherent downforce. He still got an A star.
@@elliotcrossan6290 I mean, true I guess it's because Max Verstappen won and winners usually get the top grades but yeah. Looking at what Perez did in the same car, Max was great!
@@saiyerugara9038 Hamilton and Verstappen both outqualified their teammates by a bigger margin than anyone else on the grid -- 2.4 seconds for Lewis, 2.3 seconds for Max. They should both get A.
@@elliotcrossan6290 I would probably have gone B for Hamilton but then Bottas probably gets a D. You would have to go E- for Perez though because he made the mistake. Verstappen won so an A+ is fair.
How is Hamilton putting it on the podium a B but Max is an A*?
That’s def biased against a 7 time champ putting the expectations so high.
He was only like 2 hundredths out of second and out qualified everyone else.
It’s either an A or Max is just an A.
And Ricardo is an A. What does he gotta do? The reason he gets a B is how fast Lando does but then Lando gets a D?
Agree with Katy 100% on this one.
Then Vettel gets an A for qualifying BEHIND Danny Ric who got a B? Wtf
Hamilton got beaten by a Williams but I guess because Bottas got a D, a B is fair for LH. Vettel is in a slower car than Ricciardo and wasn't too far off beating him so a slightly higher grade is deserved.
Possible way to communicate schedule change: have the track or the event (whoever actually distributes the tickets) email everyone who purchased a ticket the night before. Everyone gets a confirmation email after the ticket is purchased, so it should be pretty easy to send out another email to notify everyone that the schedule has been updated.
I went to silverstone when the moto GP was called off. Exactly the same situation and we were refunded 50% of our weekend ticket within like 2/3 weeks. They did incredible
Also they told us the night before that the pushed the moto GP race in front of other categories to try and get the race to go ahead. F1 could learn a lot
I think applying the sprint race points would’ve been a good idea. 12 points for not racing makes no sense. And I like Katy’s idea of changing the rule to “green” laps instead of behind the safety car.
Biggest question: why is Belgian GP held in late August/early September and not first weekend of July 🤔
I agree. Move it to a dryer period.
No particular part of summer is safe from the weather here, we got mass floods july
@@MrJunior717 air tight bubble it is then, they'll just have to drive fast and hold their breath a bit.
Kinda sad to hear Lando got a D from the 3 when he was like a test bunny to do Qualifying and it was literally Masi's mistake to not red flagged the session.
Lando also admitted it was his error.
Masi wasn't the person behind the wheel. What kind of take is this lol
But Masi was the person who allowed racing (well, qualifying) in such awful conditions and on such a dangerous track.
It never should of got to that point. Seb was right that should of been red flagged before that. Lando may think it was his error but the reality is that session should of been red flagged . He walked away from that which frankly was the only result that was important this past weekend.
For me it's Masi's fault because Q3 should be red flagged in the first place. Yes it is Lando's fault now because the mistake but Masi's should call the Red Flag before and Lando probably on the front row. Also it's like they ignored the performance that Lando did on Q1 and Q2, that's why I'm sad that he's got rated D
I'm never going to complain about rain being forecasted and not getting it again.
no internets best reactions???
This podcast should of been called WTF f1 spa 2021
Masi needs to move aside for Katy to take over!!
The issue this weekend wasn't aquaplaning, so more extreme tires wouldn't have helped. The main issue is that the cars pull the water upwards with their aero, so there is no visibility no matter the tires. I don't think there is a solution for this sort of weather. It's just not possible to race these cars, when there is enough water to completely kill visibilty...
(monaco (or other low speed tracks) might have been able to go ahead in conditions such as these, since speeds are much lower, therefore the needed visibility is lower and the water doesn't get thrown up quite as badly at lower speeds)
I really wished they just reschedule the race to a later day
Petition to change the reconnaissance lap to the renaissance lap for Katy.
Can’t wait to see the DHL fastest lap video
You make a good point Tommy about changing the timing of the race. I was at the 2018 MotoGP Grand Prix at Silverstone which was a washout. FIM and Dorna tried to have the race earlier and push the Moto 2 race to later, as the forecast showed it would rain most of the afternoon. Stuck in the stands in the rain for hours waiting, the race got cancelled after several hours. We did get a refund. I had a weekend ticket but my refund was for a small portion of what would have been the percentage of the Sunday’s ticket.
Age of F1 Drivers (2021)
(For F1 drivers, 0.1 second separates a great driver from a good driver so a significant age gap and a corresponding decline in reflux is huge)
1. Kimi Raikkonen (41) 1 driver championship (2007)
2. Fernando Alonso (40) 2 driver championships (2005, 2006)
3. Lewis Hamilton (36) 7 driver championships (2008, 2014, 2015, 2017-20)
4. Sebastian Vettel (34) 4 driver championships (2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
5. Valtteri Bottas (32)
6. Daniel Riccardo (32)
7. Sergio Péres (31)
8. Antonio Giovanazzi (27)
9. Carlos Sainz (26)
10. Nicolas Latifi (26)
11. Pierre Gasly (25)
12. Esteban Ocon (24)
13. Max Verstappen (23) 👈
14. Charles LeClerc (23) 👈
15. George Russell (23) 👈
16. Lance Stroll (22)
17. Mick Schumacher (22)
18. Nikita Mazepin (22)
19. Lando Norris (21) 👈
20. Yuki Tsunoda (21)
So refreshing to see Matt
How is this 85 minutes long? xD
EDIT: Never mind, Katy vs FIA happens for 36 minutes :)
The weather is actually looking pretty good for the upcoming weekend for now, so hopefully it stays that way🤞
@Tahmid Hossain I know. Have to bike through it every day 😆
I was at work on sunday (restaurant) till 10pm and i was excited to see the race because id never seen one before as my dad only just bought Sky f1. Well my experience went amazingly 😁👍🏻 be happy to watch if every race was like this
What F1 needs is someone like Katy who's sitting there with an excellent grasp on the rules and a few others who know sections of the rules to where they can quote them and they advise the race director and stewards (who should also try to know the rules). Also, the rules may need to be revised.
I'm still wondering about the tires, haven't found any reactions or feedback on them. I mean the green vs the blue ones, in Q particularly. How come a soaking wet track works with green inters, and does not work with blue ones .. add more rain and all of a sudden, no tire works at all and Lando is in the wall, rightly so, trowing his not-working-blue-tires all over the place. Is there a fundamental problem with the current blue tires ? What situation WOULD work and be good for them then ??
Martin Brundle explained in the sky sports commentary that it's something to do with the temps. The wets heat up much faster than the inters which is why a lot of them were on the inters rather than wets, the inters are also the faster and more preferable tyre, so if they can go with the inters they will. The wets shift more water than the inters but heat up faster and are slower in terms of pace. However, the problem wasn't so much the tyres but the sheer amount of rain causing the cars to aquaplane, which is less to do with the tyres and more to do with the mass of the cars, being lighter they aquaplane easier and tyre choice only helps so far.
Whiting: cool, calm, collected, on top of all the rules.
Masi: sheesh, let’s just make it up as we go, guys?
This is a mixture of Canada 2011 and Indy 2005
I agree with the points given but the fans should be refunded
Fans should be refunded
The only 3 word race review I could think of would be 'soggy wet lunch'
Those fans were straight up robbed. Paid a lot of money just to get drenched to watch a cloud of spray go round the track precisely 3 times with a red Mercedes at the front
They did get to see all the sorport races before and qualifying. Also it states on the ticket that no refund will be given for this kinda reason.
Tell the weather to apoligise RIGHT NOW!!
Whatever the race is going to bring at Zandvoort, the quali is going to be amazing. Really looking forward to seeing the cars to full speed on that track again.
Katy echoing my thoughts perfectly about the entire thing!
Hamilton fans say; if Verstappen wins within 5 points it was “gifted” to him
Verstappen/other fans say; if Hamilton wins with 25 ( *25-43 points, depending on if they count Hungary* ) points or less he didn’t deserve it
Verstappen lost up to 76 points through no fault of his own, these 5 points don’t remotely make up for that.
I find it hilarious that people hate on Verstappen for Belgium (as if he made it rain, and made these decisions) while praising Russell🙄 who is also the only driver who actually seemed -understandably- happy about what happened
British biased be like
Could have been an easy grand slam for Verstappen this weekend.
Mazepin: no
Purely academic questions:
1. If the race had resumed and the time limit had not been an issue, how long should the race have been? 43 laps (-1 for the double formation lap) or 39 (that plus -1 for each "delayed start" message that were sent out before 15:30)?
2. Had someone in the top 10 set the fastest lap behind the safety car, should he have been awarded half a point for that?
This is like that Cricket World Cup Final between England and New Zealand when it rolled on to a super over and even then both teams were matched so they decided to give it to the one with more boundaries. Seemed like they made it up as they went. Just 2 months later that rule was changed lol.
no race but the podcast is FINALLY longer than 50 or so minutes ? well thats one good surprise
I just can't stop thinking about Katy's annotated document on the sporting regulations, any chance you can send me that? Or is that like being one of those students asking for other peoples summaries? 🙋🏻♀️
Funny how "always" Mexicans support Perez but you guys do not have any biases towards British drivers. Btw, Checo deserves an F, because consequences matter.
I would go with an E- if that exists lol!
Camped in literal mud, paid a shit load of money for the tickets, and sat in the rain for 10 hours straight just to eat 10€ (not even good) fries and see no race. One of the worst days of my life. You can't call something a race when overtaking was literally not allowed for the whole duration.
damn
I can't believe this is an hour and a half long haha. Love it!