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  • @lucaug10
    @lucaug10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Good stuff as always! Looking forward to the construction of the reals! :)

  • @wastemusic7365
    @wastemusic7365 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    loving this playlist, beautiful.

  • @pebotin
    @pebotin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i can follow the story of the reals.. thanks so much for this.. hoping for more

  • @StudentDriverINOUTBRK
    @StudentDriverINOUTBRK 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At 3:30 in the video, It is stated that a is an element of the rational Numbers, And that there is a sequence Xn that converges to some number, such that There always exists an 'a' where |Xn-a|

    • @brightsideofmaths
      @brightsideofmaths  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Limits have to lie in the space you consider, otherwise the sequence would not be convergent. The sequence you want to consider: 1, 1.4, 1.41, 1.414,... is not convergent in the rational numbers. It has no limit.
      However, in the real numbers the same sequence has a limit.

  • @jinyunghong
    @jinyunghong 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for the video!!!!

  • @aza-jo9ru
    @aza-jo9ru 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good work sir .

  • @amrutaomase9545
    @amrutaomase9545 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice explaination

  • @monadic_monastic69
    @monadic_monastic69 ปีที่แล้ว

    For some reason whenever I go back reviewing real analysis (e.g. in preparation for functional analysis), I feel like I have "quantifier dyslexia" sometimes: e.g. if I haven't seen the definition of a cauchy sequence, even though I read the quantifiers in order I will mix them up (and I think that turns it into a statement that can't be satisfied?), and then I go back putting it into words again like you are doing, and Tao also happens to do in his book where he describes "eventual epsilon steadiness" as:
    - 'eventual epsilon-steadiness' means there exists an Nth step in the sequence where it becomes 'epsilon-steady', (∃N ∈ ℕ ∀ n,m ≥ N : |xₙ − xₘ| < ε)
    - and 'epsilon-steadiness' means every pair of sequence members x_j and x_k are separated no more than epsilon apart, (∀ n,m ∈ ℕ : |xₙ − xₘ| < ε)
    - i.e. their distance is contained in the epsilon neighborhood,
    - or i.e. each every pair of sequence members is 'epsilon-close' (|xₙ − xₘ| < ε)
    So putting it all together: there exists an Nth step in the sequence such that every pair of members x_j and x_k after the Nth one are epsilon-close
    Whereas the statement with the first two quantifiers reversed (for cauchy sequence) would appear to be: "there exists an Nth step in the sequence such that you can shrink the epsilon-neighborhood arbitrarily close and all sequence members after the Nth one will be contained in it"... seems like that can only be satisfied if all those sequence members after the Nth one are the limit point itself (assuming we're in R).

  • @strawberry_cake1703
    @strawberry_cake1703 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:24 in this proof is a uniquely defined? as in if any other numbery say b which also satisfies the same steps does that imply b=a? and how would one prove this if it's true?

    • @strawberry_cake1703
      @strawberry_cake1703 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ohh nvm a comes from the convergence implication and is not a random number lol

  • @minabulic
    @minabulic ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderfull

  • @mnada72
    @mnada72 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for such videos, 1:10 Is triangular inequality and inverse triangular inequality explained later ?

  • @ffar2981
    @ffar2981 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the arrow at 4:31 a conditional operator? And if yes, I would understand it as an operator on the statements A: the sequence is Cauchy and B: the sequence is convergent. However, that would mean that even if B was true and A was false, the statement given by the operator would be true since the double arrow gives a tautology. That would mean that if a sequence was convergent it does not have to be Cauchy? Or am I missing something here :) ?

    • @brightsideofmaths
      @brightsideofmaths  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Very good question: I introduced the notation you mentioned in "Start Learning Logic - Part 3". However, we already reached a point where one usually does not use a strict formal language anymore like we did at the beginning of logic. In other words, the correct way to write it here would be: "(B → A) is true".
      The problem is, the symbol (→) with all the maps, functions and so on, at this point, is totally overstrained. While creating this video series, I really thought a long time about this conflict. In the end, I decided that it is better to leave the normal conditional (→) behind.

    • @ffar2981
      @ffar2981 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brightsideofmaths Thanks for the answer! Indeed I am referring to the video "Start Learning Logic - Part 3" ;) Have a nice day :)

  • @madaaz6333
    @madaaz6333 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very didactic!

  • @bludgeon1081
    @bludgeon1081 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:51 what does it mean by ordering less than or equal to?

    • @brightsideofmaths
      @brightsideofmaths  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's an order relation. So it satisfies the rules for it.

    • @bludgeon1081
      @bludgeon1081 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brightsideofmaths Thanks for responding, by the way, I have one last question. When proving that the Convergent sequence is the Cauchy sequence, around the 6:54 mark, how exactly does this show that they are the same?
      I guess I'm just a bit confused on what it means by being the same. I'll type here what I know:
      We started the proof by having the distance between two sequence members |xn-xm|. We know by absolute value that,
      |xn - a+ a-xm| = N, we have |xn - a| < epislon prime.
      This leads us to seeing that, since both |xn - a| and |a - xm| are less than epsilon prime, their addition will be less than epsilon. So,
      |xn - xm| = |xn - a + a - xm|

    • @theblinkingbrownie4654
      @theblinkingbrownie4654 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am not sure I understood your confusion but they are not the same. What was shown was that a convergent sequence is definitely a cauchy sequence, not necessarily the other way around.

  • @muhammadjunaid5166
    @muhammadjunaid5166 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi !
    At 7:15 , how did we know that " |a-xm| < Ɛ " ?

    • @AssemblyWizard
      @AssemblyWizard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The missing step is to prove |x| = |-x| for all x, and then we get |a-xm| = |xm-a| which is less than epsilon because m≥N

    • @alex1lane
      @alex1lane 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AssemblyWizard thanks

  • @maohejiang6485
    @maohejiang6485 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir, I see some other definition of completeness axiom being that "for every set A that is a subset of S, supremum of A always exists". How is this related to the "cauchy sequence being convergent" definition?

    • @brightsideofmaths
      @brightsideofmaths  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, this is what we discuss when we talk about supremum.

  • @nicolenatsai
    @nicolenatsai ปีที่แล้ว

    I am not sure why the triangle inequality holds, I can't think of an example where the LHS is not equal to the RHS

  • @Anonymous-rj2lk
    @Anonymous-rj2lk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do i need to study something else as a base before studying this?

    • @Anonymous-rj2lk
      @Anonymous-rj2lk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean i just finished high-school but i want to learn more, so i dont know if i need a base knowledge for this

    • @brightsideofmaths
      @brightsideofmaths  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Anonymous-rj2lk You can watch the series here
      th-cam.com/play/PLBh2i93oe2qtbygdXz4u6Mkh7c_hMLBA8.html
      You need some mathematical thinking but not much knowledge. Just try and tell me if it worked :)

    • @Anonymous-rj2lk
      @Anonymous-rj2lk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brightsideofmaths its just that i dont understand the mathematical writings, i do however understand the big idea but it gets a lil confusing with the unfamiliar symbols

    • @brightsideofmaths
      @brightsideofmaths  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Anonymous-rj2lk Then maybe my videos can help a little bit!

    • @Anonymous-rj2lk
      @Anonymous-rj2lk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brightsideofmaths much appreciated! Thank you!