As someone who pretty much only did skills and quests before the necromancy update. The main reason I didn't PvM was 2 major reasons. 1. Fear of dying even though the penalties for it seem way lower now. 2. PvM doesn't really do much to progress skilling which is the main reason I play the game. Necromancy kind of solved both of those things because I can just remake all the gear if I ever lost it which I likely wont. PvMing is pretty useful in necromancy. Hybriding combat styles had pretty much nothing to do with me not PvMing. So I think this is a bad change. It hurts higher end players and doesn't really address the main reasons PvM is avoided by some players. Dumbing the game down like this is only bad for the game long term.
Fully Agree marwood. This change did nothing for low-tier/entry newcomer pvmers in the game, nobody is playing a new game and straight away doing high level strats to ensure high optimal dps, especially in group bossing. I believe necro release resulted in these changes ONLY to meet necro needs (possibly due to being rushed in certain areas) The change essentally runing/broke other parts of the game/styles for still a fair amount of the pvm community. It hurt those wanting to learn bridding & having fun with hybridding at a boss. Also using that term loosely since hybriding can be classed as shown in vid or just a simple grico under a crit buff to get back up to high adren (alot of melee rotations benefit greatly from this as do other styles ofc) Hopefully jagex see's this and at least ackowledge the mistake they made. Whether it is in the game or not, it does not change the bar for lower-mid levels to get into high tier pvm. reducing the skill scope is just not the play imo.
I pretty much fully agree here, It really sucks to see game changes being made that seemingly remove skill expression. Stalling is my biggest fear of going away, without it melee (my favorite style) will be in a horrendous state imo. Not being able to stall an ability out of melee distance will make doing bosses with mechanics that require you to be out of melee distance objectively worse off with melee. The alternative dps strategy there would be to bd on gcd next to the boss switch to a 2h and get the free auto before switching back and going through your dps rotation which feels just as clunky and unintuitive (if not more so). I think the Jagex team have good intentions and genuinely want to clean up some of the old bugs to make the game more intuitive for newer players to get into. However, if this is going to come at the cost of high level skill expression, then the game will just be much less enjoyable in my opinion.
I will write comment, even if you will probably strongly dissagre whit mine. i think that was one of best changes and i knew it was comming since they specified that necro wont have crit buffing. i do aprisiate your polite and calm explanation on why you think thats a bad change (big diffrence of usual pvme, screaming this is worst change ever they are killing hybriding etc), how ever we can objectivly agree that other styless buffing your crits on another style is rather silly. The way i was looking into the change it was cleaning the clutter that should have been cleaned long time ago (same in my opinion goes whit ability stalling, altho i used it sometimes its essecialy a bug)). Feel free to dissagree whit me but i think bouth being gone one day is better for long term longevity of the game in my opinion and not a war against high lv pvmers like some would like to make you belive.
i think the best way to deal with the longevity of the game is to make sure , that the biggest update in pvm in a very long time is dealt with care . i can understand you think that this is a good change , but in my opinion this change is bad if it doesnt come with new interesting abiltys to rebalance the styles around it ,like how necro was balanced . i said in the video if it came with that i could get behind it , but as is i think its hard to argue that this update isnt unfinished , and in jagex recent stream they're considering reverting this change for the time being to prove my point . i think both sides have valid concerns but i think this isnt a valid soultion .
@@fatpuggaming1907:) although it is fun, they could come out with things that could be even more fun. I’m just going with the flow on alot of what they say because the amount of QOL they released this year is nice. (Dive, kinship passive, greater ults) Also this wouldn’t be as fun if they didn’t make it as fun in recent years. (Hydrix gricos, incite fear, ect ect).
@@dfox9885 well yes they could come out with things that are more fun , but they didnt at the time of update , and i would highly recommend you formulate your own opinions rather than "just going with the flow" . "Also this wouldn’t be as fun if they didn’t make it as fun in recent years." This just doesnt make any sense i would also recommend you back up your points with some facts or logic , but now knowing you came to these conclusions that arnt your own , i cant really respond properly
As someone who pretty much only did skills and quests before the necromancy update.
The main reason I didn't PvM was 2 major reasons.
1. Fear of dying even though the penalties for it seem way lower now.
2. PvM doesn't really do much to progress skilling which is the main reason I play the game.
Necromancy kind of solved both of those things because I can just remake all the gear if I ever lost it which I likely wont.
PvMing is pretty useful in necromancy.
Hybriding combat styles had pretty much nothing to do with me not PvMing.
So I think this is a bad change. It hurts higher end players and doesn't really address the main reasons PvM is avoided by some players. Dumbing the game down like this is only bad for the game long term.
First rs3 youtuber I see that has a clean UI that makes sense lol.
Fully Agree marwood.
This change did nothing for low-tier/entry newcomer pvmers in the game, nobody is playing a new game and straight away doing high level strats to ensure high optimal dps, especially in group bossing. I believe necro release resulted in these changes ONLY to meet necro needs (possibly due to being rushed in certain areas)
The change essentally runing/broke other parts of the game/styles for still a fair amount of the pvm community. It hurt those wanting to learn bridding & having fun with hybridding at a boss. Also using that term loosely since hybriding can be classed as shown in vid or just a simple grico under a crit buff to get back up to high adren (alot of melee rotations benefit greatly from this as do other styles ofc)
Hopefully jagex see's this and at least ackowledge the mistake they made.
Whether it is in the game or not, it does not change the bar for lower-mid levels to get into high tier pvm. reducing the skill scope is just not the play imo.
It’s annoying as a semi high tier pvmer. It was nice using tsunami or meteor strike before kills for the crit buffs so I could do a more fun rotation.
I pretty much fully agree here, It really sucks to see game changes being made that seemingly remove skill expression. Stalling is my biggest fear of going away, without it melee (my favorite style) will be in a horrendous state imo. Not being able to stall an ability out of melee distance will make doing bosses with mechanics that require you to be out of melee distance objectively worse off with melee. The alternative dps strategy there would be to bd on gcd next to the boss switch to a 2h and get the free auto before switching back and going through your dps rotation which feels just as clunky and unintuitive (if not more so).
I think the Jagex team have good intentions and genuinely want to clean up some of the old bugs to make the game more intuitive for newer players to get into. However, if this is going to come at the cost of high level skill expression, then the game will just be much less enjoyable in my opinion.
fully agree on this marwood
I will write comment, even if you will probably strongly dissagre whit mine. i think that was one of best changes and i knew it was comming since they specified that necro wont have crit buffing. i do aprisiate your polite and calm explanation on why you think thats a bad change (big diffrence of usual pvme, screaming this is worst change ever they are killing hybriding etc), how ever we can objectivly agree that other styless buffing your crits on another style is rather silly. The way i was looking into the change it was cleaning the clutter that should have been cleaned long time ago (same in my opinion goes whit ability stalling, altho i used it sometimes its essecialy a bug)). Feel free to dissagree whit me but i think bouth being gone one day is better for long term longevity of the game in my opinion and not a war against high lv pvmers like some would like to make you belive.
i think the best way to deal with the longevity of the game is to make sure , that the biggest update in pvm in a very long time is dealt with care . i can understand you think that this is a good change , but in my opinion this change is bad if it doesnt come with new interesting abiltys to rebalance the styles around it ,like how necro was balanced .
i said in the video if it came with that i could get behind it , but as is i think its hard to argue that this update isnt unfinished , and in jagex recent stream they're considering reverting this change for the time being to prove my point .
i think both sides have valid concerns but i think this isnt a valid soultion .
Unlimited adren isn’t skill expression.
strongly disagree but everyone has their opinions
@@fatpuggaming1907:) although it is fun, they could come out with things that could be even more fun. I’m just going with the flow on alot of what they say because the amount of QOL they released this year is nice. (Dive, kinship passive, greater ults) Also this wouldn’t be as fun if they didn’t make it as fun in recent years. (Hydrix gricos, incite fear, ect ect).
@@dfox9885 well yes they could come out with things that are more fun , but they didnt at the time of update , and i would highly recommend you formulate your own opinions rather than "just going with the flow" .
"Also this wouldn’t be as fun if they didn’t make it as fun in recent years." This just doesnt make any sense
i would also recommend you back up your points with some facts or logic , but now knowing you came to these conclusions that arnt your own , i cant really respond properly
Lol k.
If you practise magic, you will go to hell. Lol - you call yourself a "high level pvmer' as if you were better by being hell bound.