She was only speaking English from private school. 90% of what she said was based on ignorance, and she was emotional and couldn't tolerate facts throughout the entire show.
@user-tk8vm4kx6y So according to you, she was making noise👀honestly I don't see it in that way, as people, we have different beliefs, and some questions are not meant to be asked, save them for Heaven
Mr Joshua Maponga smoked all of them. Dr. Khehlelezi of course shared the same sentiments as him. It was not an intellectual conversation because they couldn't actually back up what they say so they started involving their emotions. There's a point where the host spoke for over 1 minute, just, ranting. I know because I was skipping through it. I feel bad for the people who were watching on TV... They had to just eat it.🤣🤣🤣
I like Rorisang and the fact that she acknowledges that Christians have acted superior for a very long time, which has actually pushed people far away from God. But now that we are preaching the gospel without bashing any religion, it does make sense for a lot of people. "I have never said you are crazy for speaking to dead people"
She doesn't know about he black culture, she doesn't know that she wil be a ancestor to her children says it all. She has to find out about where she comes from.
Where would Joshua Maponga be if he didn't study at white colonial university's and fly out of Zimbabwe on white colonial planes. He wouldn't even be a part of this conversation without his education at this white colonial institutions, we wouldnt care on his opinion. so why does he ask Rorisang where would she be spiritually if a "white colonial Christianity" didn't come to Africa. He must ask himself where would HE be?
For a man who is so opposed the to Eurocentric perspective it’s so interesting that he places that very same Eurocentric education system on such a high pedestal.
@@buyimajola4245 I’m not opposing that he use Eurocentric educational systems and methods, what I am implying is how hypocritical he is. The very same Europeans who he passionately opposes in the religious context (by the way that is a misinformed stance) created the Eurocentric educational system which he prides himself with when making an argument towards the opposition. So Eurocentrism is good when they colonise our way of learning and education and it’s something he can even brag about when mentioning how learned he is but it’s not when they “colonise” our way of worship and individuals choose to adopt that within their personal lives.
@@NathiM03 right, I hear you. Do you think he is awe of his hypocrisy? Chances are he is not awe, coz he should mention it as a disclaimer, when he makes a point.
Christianity is so strong that’s it faith can blind you from facts at any cost for your spiritual growth. Even if Christ came and told us about the acknowledgment of our ancestors we still wouldn’t accept it because we are hell bent on believing in what makes us comfortable not what will make us grow.
After listening to this debate again again i understand that what Joshua maponga said is the real truth but people don't understand it .sad reality By the way m from northeast India (naga tribe) Thank you maponga for your wisdom 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I must say tht Maponga triggered something where he spoke about "colonial interruption". I believe we r a people that evolve with time. So encountering ol kinds of winds and spaces in the world, we r bound to become a changed ppl in time. But the with problem with these eurocentric believe systems, they were imposed upon a people in order to evaporate that of the African indigenous. And for any African to identify with eurocentricism, impolite as it may sound, it's a shame. Lack of knowledge of who we r makes it excusable for Africans to identify with eurocentricism.
Maponga was in a roomful of ignorance. Jackie Phamotse had no input. Don't understand why she was invited. Rorisang was speaking English from private school. 95% of what she said was ignorance. Solomon found out. Doctor Khehlelezi had so much input that Jackie and Rorisang but language barrier made these two undermine him. Rorisang and Jackie are emos and could not withstand facts put forward by Maponga that's why they rely on their feelings to win the viewers.
These youth of today's time are full of anger, lack of respect and a lot of lack of knowledge. Unfortunate. The settlers did a great job and it will be very difficult for Africans to find their roots this way.
Jesus Christ is our Lord and saviour and God... that is all i Can say..i don't debate over these things..i know who my Creater is..we will all answer for ourselves when we leave this Earth.
I think this is a matter of "staying in your lane" if you believe in something and it works for you. Stay there, don't castigate what others believe in.
This topic is so interesting, sadly only one person was qualified to have this conversation and was not even a little bit challenged by the other speakers because they all know very little about what they practice. This conversation was also just so poorly mediated. Will the true apologetics please stand up!
If you really want to learn when one is speaking take what you don't know,and learn from it 1.do not make a point and want to be heard as if what you know is better than what other people knows, This doesn’t need emotional feelings to learn.great chat
Not really, he's just using big words to unpack very basic concepts. It takes actual emotional maturity to respect people even when you're not in agreement with them, he failed in that regard.
@mathaleaphatela6134 Maponga didn't use big words to insult others. If you heard him very well. He's got a skill of capitalizing on Jackie and Rorisang ignorance and emotions. Rorisang and Jackie had no input in this debate TBH. They are using emotions to win the viewers over.
Rorisang took this personal and she contradicted herself there. So she is conscious of the fact that Christians "born again" per se are judgemental toward African culture/traditions.
Maponga is very rude and disrespectful, I was interested in his point of view and the knowledge he has but he leaves such a distasteful impression that I do not want to go and view more of his videos. I hope he can get off his very high horse and converse without being disrespectful.
If you are fragile why participate in such conversations??. Emotionally weak people always cause deviations and personalise such conversations. I'd prefer people to be more keen on learning the truth rather than trying to defend or advocate what they've already believed, such mentality makes one immune to teachings. Lastly. One who speaks without actual experience, always teach things that yield no results. All things, powers or thrones, hidden and unhidden. In heaven and on earth, all were created by and for God.... When you get to a point where you forget that you are not God's friend, when you forget that the creators thoughts are way above your thoughts. You will be quick to condemn everything that YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. Most people are quick to talk about things they have no experience about, assume positions they weren't called for and hence preaching what they cannot practice and as a result waste people's time with teachings that yield no results
Maphonga brings me no peace of mind,the things he says stress me and make one feel small,that's reason enough for me to never listen to his nonsense again.
Rorisang was a bit weak here. She didn't act as a host, and now she comments. If you could Host on balance, it wouldn't be your opinion that won. Both ladies get triggered easily.
as I sit and enjoy the discussion but skip every part where maponga speaks, this man until he deals with his massive ego and pride I can't even take him seriously, o lenyatso okare ga se mogolo and highly misguided no wonder he calls himself bishop even though he does not believe in the very thing he labels himself as, that's pure deception to start with, I cannot hold a container full of donuts and label the outside of it 'scones', that's not just deception but confusion/misrepresentation and a lie in a nutshell to the layman and he uses it to gain a sense of honour which he does not posess cos of the lies he tells to mislead others, sorry to those who idolise him because they are too blinded from worshiping his supposed "intellect" that they can't even see through the facade, he groups believers into one box and says 'the arrogance of christianity" yet fails to deal with his own arrogance from within perfectly displayed on show in this video as well.. "before you remove the speck from your brothers eye remove the log from yours first" Bible says, these must be the verses which made him run from the Bible, people who can't stand to hear the truth often do that best, the way he bows his head when others are speaking showing he is not even listening just goes to show he believes get bigger and smarter than all of them and didnt come to learn anything but ridicule and push own agenda yoh, heal sir,
God is God, He is supreme. And just because we are Christians doesn't mean we are big enough to put God in our little box of understanding and He must conform to our limited way of teaching. If God decides to use an ancestor, it's His to use. If God wants to use an angel, it's his to use. If He wants to use a tree, it's his to use. Even an animal is God's to use. And he doesn't need to end his Godlyness in the book of Revelations. God is God, stop telling him he is not God outside of the church.
Maponga is by far analyzing logically though..Rori is trying just to be defensive but I'm sure she hears the facts if she's smart like she seems..the others seems to be just journalists nje and a fake prophet lol 😅😅 thinking outside the box lol
Respect to Rori, she found the balance of standing her ground without stepping or talking down on anyone. Big up sisi💯❤️
May God increase Ousi Rorisang❤ what a Gift she is
lol
Rorisang is very wise❤️❤️ at no point she has insulted or intimidated any of them to get the message across!!
Wise but immature 🙄
i totally agree with you but her interrupting Maponga's point interrupted us from learning a thing or two
She was only speaking English from private school. 90% of what she said was based on ignorance, and she was emotional and couldn't tolerate facts throughout the entire show.
*Insult & Intimidation is LITERALLY how Christianity replaced our Heritage. Perhaps these tools should be wielded and not shunned?*
I had to disagree with u on that one there's nothing wise for her points, and remember listening is a skill
This was great. One needs emotional maturity to participate in such debates, and the humility to be teachable - learn and unlearn.
I love how Ousi Rorisang sticks to her word❤️✝️may God bless her and give her strength
She's ignorant and a coconut. She couldn't even deal with the facts Maponga J was dropping.
But still she failed to answer that KO question, whats a use of making noise if you can't answer important questions?
@user-tk8vm4kx6y So according to you, she was making noise👀honestly I don't see it in that way, as people, we have different beliefs, and some questions are not meant to be asked, save them for Heaven
These are loud mouths who pretend to be woke and think everything is a competition
Mr Joshua Maponga smoked all of them.
Dr. Khehlelezi of course shared the same sentiments as him.
It was not an intellectual conversation because they couldn't actually back up what they say so they started involving their emotions.
There's a point where the host spoke for over 1 minute, just, ranting. I know because I was skipping through it.
I feel bad for the people who were watching on TV...
They had to just eat it.🤣🤣🤣
I like Rorisang and the fact that she acknowledges that Christians have acted superior for a very long time, which has actually pushed people far away from God. But now that we are preaching the gospel without bashing any religion, it does make sense for a lot of people.
"I have never said you are crazy for speaking to dead people"
"I never said you're crazy for speaking to dead people" lol that killed me😂this is why I love her❤
Maponga you nailed it baba👏 and Jackie is pissed off 😂
Rorisang killed this 🫶
She had no input TBH.
Exactly.. She was supposed to moderate but jumped in the debate emotionally charged smh
She doesn't know about he black culture, she doesn't know that she wil be a ancestor to her children says it all. She has to find out about where she comes from.
@@gobimotswatswe5098For ini?? Why does she have to do all that?
Wow, Bishop Joshua Maphunga is a true African, not a coconut.
Who's a coconut kanti?😮
I bless God for Rorisang's life.....❤❤❤❤Much love for you Rorisang❤❤
high this conversation needs a mature person who does not take things by the heart coz wow, ..never the less, i love Maponga
It’s such a shame to see a black person fighting for a western culture like this 💔 and very heartbreaking
These ladies need to read more and feed their knowledge, it's embarrassing to be destroyed by 1 person
This conversation was very emotional and personal . People did things to each other in the past 😂😂
That's what I am picking up
The unapologetic J. Maponga,😂😂😂😂😂😂 I love you my brother
Where would Joshua Maponga be if he didn't study at white colonial university's and fly out of Zimbabwe on white colonial planes. He wouldn't even be a part of this conversation without his education at this white colonial institutions, we wouldnt care on his opinion. so why does he ask Rorisang where would she be spiritually if a "white colonial Christianity" didn't come to Africa. He must ask himself where would HE be?
Uyabhuda wena
@@ceekayouu25 hai s'ka!
Ubheda mpela
You're Talking shit 😂 what a weak statement. Uyabhuda strong
Shut up and listen
Maponga worships himself
It’s beautiful.
“Where you gather and start debating about God, the chairperson of that meeting is the devil himself”
For a man who is so opposed the to Eurocentric perspective it’s so interesting that he places that very same Eurocentric education system on such a high pedestal.
Ok so how else must he express his opposition?
@@buyimajola4245 I’m not opposing that he use Eurocentric educational systems and methods, what I am implying is how hypocritical he is.
The very same Europeans who he passionately opposes in the religious context (by the way that is a misinformed stance) created the Eurocentric educational system which he prides himself with when making an argument towards the opposition.
So Eurocentrism is good when they colonise our way of learning and education and it’s something he can even brag about when mentioning how learned he is but it’s not when they “colonise” our way of worship and individuals choose to adopt that within their personal lives.
@@NathiM03 right, I hear you. Do you think he is awe of his hypocrisy? Chances are he is not awe, coz he should mention it as a disclaimer, when he makes a point.
@@NathiM03 THIS!!!
It is very interesting to see Unathu, so crazy
Christianity is so strong that’s it faith can blind you from facts at any cost for your spiritual growth. Even if Christ came and told us about the acknowledgment of our ancestors we still wouldn’t accept it because we are hell bent on believing in what makes us comfortable not what will make us grow.
I love Ausi Rorisang soo much
I love you rori to stand up for you God and only God, My the good God increase and bless you
Solomon is shaking 😂😂..
maponga is a legend,he got the ladies emotional cause of his knowledge
After listening to this debate again again i understand that what Joshua maponga said is the real truth but people don't understand it .sad reality
By the way m from northeast India (naga tribe)
Thank you maponga for your wisdom 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Not Maponga saying l won't use big words and gave a long list of the big words😂😂😂
but he didn't use big words unless I'm confused on what is considered "big words"
I must say tht Maponga triggered something where he spoke about "colonial interruption". I believe we r a people that evolve with time. So encountering ol kinds of winds and spaces in the world, we r bound to become a changed ppl in time. But the with problem with these eurocentric believe systems, they were imposed upon a people in order to evaporate that of the African indigenous. And for any African to identify with eurocentricism, impolite as it may sound, it's a shame. Lack of knowledge of who we r makes it excusable for Africans to identify with eurocentricism.
Maponga was in a roomful of ignorance.
Jackie Phamotse had no input. Don't understand why she was invited.
Rorisang was speaking English from private school. 95% of what she said was ignorance.
Solomon found out.
Doctor Khehlelezi had so much input that Jackie and Rorisang but language barrier made these two undermine him.
Rorisang and Jackie are emos and could not withstand facts put forward by Maponga that's why they rely on their feelings to win the viewers.
Why are the ladies angry it hard for Africa to accept to the truth
These youth of today's time are full of anger, lack of respect and a lot of lack of knowledge. Unfortunate. The settlers did a great job and it will be very difficult for Africans to find their roots this way.
These are the convos we should be having not what we having at the moment. Respecting each others believes
South Africa let’s pray for Rorisang
Why?
I'm struggling to keep up with Maponga's vocabulary 😩😂
😂
Maponga and Steve Kompela, same whatsi group 😁
*Then follow his train of THOUGHT.*
Jesus Christ is our Lord and saviour and God... that is all i Can say..i don't debate over these things..i know who my Creater is..we will all answer for ourselves when we leave this Earth.
Rory Rory Wow may God give you more intelligent very Proud of You ❤kego Rata Lerato la love
Speaking the language of the colonialist to say you are not colonized iz crazy business
I'm also wondering what the whole point of the show is if the people who don't know about African spirituality are not willing to listen?
Maponga then doesn't want christians to preach the gospel
This was the question. I asked my mother 10 year back she was brave to answer the question
The intros to their names at the beginning are fire 🤣🔥🔥🔥☝🏾
I think this is a matter of "staying in your lane" if you believe in something and it works for you. Stay there, don't castigate what others believe in.
You said it right!!!!!!! OMW
I do agree with the statement that ausi Rorisang saying we need to be willing to learn others believe to understand not judge.
I like Pastor Solomon.
Dr khehlelezi is actually agreeing with maponga J😂😂😂❤️
He smiles whenever Maponga J speaks. 😄
Maponga is a genius.
This topic is so interesting, sadly only one person was qualified to have this conversation and was not even a little bit challenged by the other speakers because they all know very little about what they practice. This conversation was also just so poorly mediated. Will the true apologetics please stand up!
This could have been a proper debate ,if there were 0% emotions attached and 100 % facts 😅😂. But overall..
*NOT GOING TO HAPPEN with WOMEN involved.*
Education ❤️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🙏🏽
the other lady was just shouting so I couldn't hear her point ,and why is it every time maponga makes a point they talk over him to block his point
Cha ngiyavuma kodwa uyanjan enkonzwen ungeke wakhothamele umfundis ophambikwakho I lov this uph umagejageja kodwa😂😂😂😂
Eish 😂🤣🤣😂i think this Solomon was in a wrong place he needs to go and prepare himself cause hhmmm
Maphongo and khehlelezi thnk they know it all😢
They know more than their debatees
If you really want to learn when one is speaking take what you don't know,and learn from it 1.do not make a point and want to be heard as if what you know is better than what other people knows,
This doesn’t need emotional feelings to learn.great chat
We really need another episode on this topic
You need to be mature and emotionally intelligent too understand Bishop Mapongha
Not really, he's just using big words to unpack very basic concepts. It takes actual emotional maturity to respect people even when you're not in agreement with them, he failed in that regard.
@@mathaleaphatela They probably big words to you , he is from Zim they were colonized by the English so most of them use big vocabulary.
@@user-nq6qd3tr1rstill he failed to respect others because they hold a different opinion from theirs, that says much about him as a person.
@mathaleaphatela6134 Maponga didn't use big words to insult others. If you heard him very well. He's got a skill of capitalizing on Jackie and Rorisang ignorance and emotions. Rorisang and Jackie had no input in this debate TBH. They are using emotions to win the viewers over.
actully its the opposite
Maponga destroyed them all, the moment they started getting emotional they were already losing
Maphonga mos o tlile mo go re gakantsha ka sekgowa😫😫😫
😂😂
Maponga don't deserve the Title of Bishop .
Give us 2 reasons
I'm not sorry😭. Yooh he was personal
Rorisang took this personal and she contradicted herself there. So she is conscious of the fact that Christians "born again" per se are judgemental toward African culture/traditions.
Maponga Honestly Needs To Respect Others
How?
What did he do? It's a debate, right?
Honestly.but his followers protect him
Rorisang to Maponga: What possess you? I'm actually relly interested to know😅😅😅
Maponga: It’s the spirit of knowledge and understanding😆😆
This was my best conversation bcz I kind of relate to Roli
#BRINGBACKOURPEOPLE MAPONGA❤️🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Maponga dismantled them with knowledge and understanding out of their brutal ignorance!
This ppl where not ready for truth ❤MR MAPONGA
Maponga all day!
Jackie is a hypocrite because she’s been undermining Solomon when the show started.
Maponga is very rude and disrespectful, I was interested in his point of view and the knowledge he has but he leaves such a distasteful impression that I do not want to go and view more of his videos. I hope he can get off his very high horse and converse without being disrespectful.
Maponga is very RUDE! Even if he's speaking facts, you can't even listen to him because his arrogance is out of this world.
@@i.amKeke_Don't let your emotions get in your way. Takes facts. No excuses.
How is he rude?
And Ashoms lied to the viewers and his colleagues when he said he dreamed of God😂😂😂😂
They is nothing great about Maponga he is just so boastfull and proud which God says he hates
If you are fragile why participate in such conversations??. Emotionally weak people always cause deviations and personalise such conversations.
I'd prefer people to be more keen on learning the truth rather than trying to defend or advocate what they've already believed, such mentality makes one immune to teachings.
Lastly. One who speaks without actual experience, always teach things that yield no results.
All things, powers or thrones, hidden and unhidden. In heaven and on earth, all were created by and for God.... When you get to a point where you forget that you are not God's friend, when you forget that the creators thoughts are way above your thoughts. You will be quick to condemn everything that YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.
Most people are quick to talk about things they have no experience about, assume positions they weren't called for and hence preaching what they cannot practice and as a result waste people's time with teachings that yield no results
Hhey kahle ngamatshe ummongo wewukela🙆🏾♂️😮. Ay uyimpi, ushayile ke kodwa 🤜🏾🤛🏾
Maponga never insult anyone
Thank you🙏
Nco.. i sympathise with Solomon😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Joshua 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯
Maphonga brings me no peace of mind,the things he says stress me and make one feel small,that's reason enough for me to never listen to his nonsense again.
Bishop Maphonga is a real one
Maponga lack respect he is a MR know it all.
Rorisang was a bit weak here. She didn't act as a host, and now she comments. If you could Host on balance, it wouldn't be your opinion that won. Both ladies get triggered easily.
Our ancestors are speaking to us through ntate Maponga J.
as I sit and enjoy the discussion but skip every part where maponga speaks, this man until he deals with his massive ego and pride I can't even take him seriously, o lenyatso okare ga se mogolo and highly misguided no wonder he calls himself bishop even though he does not believe in the very thing he labels himself as, that's pure deception to start with, I cannot hold a container full of donuts and label the outside of it 'scones', that's not just deception but confusion/misrepresentation and a lie in a nutshell to the layman and he uses it to gain a sense of honour which he does not posess cos of the lies he tells to mislead others, sorry to those who idolise him because they are too blinded from worshiping his supposed "intellect" that they can't even see through the facade, he groups believers into one box and says 'the arrogance of christianity" yet fails to deal with his own arrogance from within perfectly displayed on show in this video as well.. "before you remove the speck from your brothers eye remove the log from yours first" Bible says, these must be the verses which made him run from the Bible, people who can't stand to hear the truth often do that best, the way he bows his head when others are speaking showing he is not even listening just goes to show he believes get bigger and smarter than all of them and didnt come to learn anything but ridicule and push own agenda yoh, heal sir,
Maponga✌✌✌✌
God is God, He is supreme. And just because we are Christians doesn't mean we are big enough to put God in our little box of understanding and He must conform to our limited way of teaching. If God decides to use an ancestor, it's His to use. If God wants to use an angel, it's his to use. If He wants to use a tree, it's his to use. Even an animal is God's to use. And he doesn't need to end his Godlyness in the book of Revelations. God is God, stop telling him he is not God outside of the church.
Maponga ❤
🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ Maponga. Speaking over people does not make your point stronger.
Maponga may i be on the list of applicants for ur academy institute when u open one pls ! ✊🏼
Maponga to the world
"Others"
This man with the stick is very disrespectful
Maphonga always
Maponga is by far analyzing logically though..Rori is trying just to be defensive but I'm sure she hears the facts if she's smart like she seems..the others seems to be just journalists nje and a fake prophet lol 😅😅 thinking outside the box lol
Is the end here
safa iqualification ,love rori!
1 Timothy 2
Tell them Maponga
Rorisang is taking thing personal instead of being neutral as a presenter
Oh Maponga claims to be well read and researched then he should know the origins of Christianity 🙄
Y do we get emotional wen we In. The firepool
Maphonga met his match to Rorisang