brushing CHEAP concrete onto a gravel driveway (adding strength and resilience)
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We did this back home in India it only lasted a couple months because of driving agricultural equipment over it. I think it would be okay if it only received light vehicular traffic
I have a 1/4 mile gravel driveway, I fill pot holes with bags of concrete and find that it works better than adding more gravel.
@Kevin Byrne how long did you let it set before driving on it?
@@_mark009 concrete gets its ultimate strength after 28 days and gains more than 50% of strength after 7 days. I would suggest not driving on it for at least one day and you should be ok. If you use it for potholes you better have it on gravel not on normal fill because that may cause the same issue again.
@@abdullahn9827 thanks appreciate it. It's for a gravel driveway
I'm getting ready to do this...I thought it was brilliant 😍
I DID MY DRIVE WAY WICH IS 3/4 OF A MILE WIT A CONCRETE TRUCK WIT 10YRDS OF SCREENINGS WIT 6 SACKS OF PORTLAND CEMENT ADDED AT THE PLANT. ITS HARD A STEEL LOL
We did similar with our gravel drive. It kept losing rock. We got bags of quick Crete and mixed with pebbles and the gravel. It rained a light shower. Now the driveway is hard and set!
Now two years later, are you still happy with the work? Has it held up nicely after driving over it for two years? TIA
@@garyshearer500 no way
Do you have part 2 of this to see the complete results?
You started with an incorrect title. You mean cement not concrete. Concrete is a mixture of cement, gravel or aggregate, sand and water. One thing that really p-turbs me is people that put tutorials on the internet and are not tested and proven techniques and but videos out there to make money and don't know what the he'll they are talking about!
Very nice....would have liked to see the end-product after it set-up.
We had this done on our long driveway about 3 years ago and it’s held up great! No ruts or potholes. A little dusty when it’s dry but cheaper than paved.
Did they simply fill any pot holes with aggregate and compact? Then sweep over with concrete as in this video? I find it hard to believe that such a simple method lasts - you’re help would be greatly appreciated.
I’d also like a reply on that
me too
@@123prestolee I've spread concrete out similarly, not on purpose, but a bag fell and broke... it was too thin and simply busted up after being driven over
I've never seen anything so stupid
Do yourself and favor and use some limestone screeining or use the correct 3/4 inch crush gravel when building your driveway. I see people use clear gravel far too often on their driveways. It has very little compaction.
Its similar to soilcreting, it doesn't set up like concrete normally will. It bonds and compacts the dirt. This is like what they do to prepare putting down asphalt streets on top of. It won't shatter or break. It will help with gravel drives.
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Yup, soil stabilization! That’s what pays my bills
@@keithcronk7980THIS HOSS NOS WHATS IP
GOBLESS
I’m thinking this will be a broken up mess in no time
NO IT WERE WOUNT. YOU APPARENTLY DONT KNOW WHAT THE FLIP URE TALKING ABOUT IVE GOT 35+ YRS IN CONCRETE & PIPELINE S RAMROD.
Keith Cronk was that English?
Yes maybe but for $1 a bag you really can’t go wrong
I'm sure it's not a one and done solution but if you keep dumping cement into your wet spots eventually you're gonna have concrete lol
And dusty. The previous owners of last house had derivatives gravelled with recycled concrete. It broke down quickly into dust.
I mean...its a good idea and all but in all honesty it looks like crap...and I'm not just trying to be a troll but if that is for your home why not do it right.? If it's a customer and that's what they wanted its on them but the edges are not uniform and even with all that stone I feel like it's not gonna be all that "strong" ad you think I have never done it like this I always do slabs so I could be wrong but a millimeter of concrete holding just 2 rocks together would barley be able to support foot traffic much less vehicles so over time they will crack and bust back down into gravel and right back to where you started get a back hoe dig all that out and set up frames for 12 inch slabs with rebar and you will have a drive way your great great grandchildren can park on
May I just suggest that using a fertilizer machine with wheels place the powder concrete into the barrel that can be rolled onto your stones makes it a lot easier then you go over it with the sweeper. Making sure it's all level then use Garden hose on fan mist spray and slightly wet it down. 24-hours before driving on it.
amazing suggestion
not a safe way to handle Portland, lime your lungs would suffer.
@@popsoldboats3406 one should always wear a mask regardless of what equipment they're using no matter how big or small the job is. particles of particulate like that can destroy a person's lungs that's why many concrete workers have such horrible problems it's a topic that's not really discussed that often but should be. Just like anyone doing remodeling should also be warned about asbestos and its many forms even removal of popcorn ceilings can be loaded with asbestos. old AC ductwork in many addicts along with pipe wrap insulation for winter time. People should always have understanding of what they're working with that should always be prepared by wearing the proper equipment such as proper design mask and ventilation equipment. Also wearing gloves is very important too because those extreme fine particulates can also get into the skin pores. Proper eye protection as well because it can also get into the mucous membranes of the eyes not only causing eye problems but also lead to cancer.
Bet you wear a bike helmet….
@@Theryougo1
*Cancer and Brain Damage is no joke. Both kills intelligence and makes many idiots*
This is exactly what I’m looking for, great, to the point, demonstration.
Wear a mask when dealing with that stuff dry. Concrete setting up in the sinuses and lungs is not good for us.
Don't waste your money. I've tried this it lasted about one hard rain. Today about one year later you can't even find any sign of concrete.
I'd like to see what it looks like next year
Awesome idea but you could of saved yourself serious time by not just dumping in one big pile then spreading it, you should have just notched a good hole in corner of bag and then spread it out by pouring it out evenly on the ground then touching it up with broom. Just food for thought on your next drive way 😉
My back couldn’t do that!
Yeah those bags are extremely heavy. Not a good idea to put your back in a positions of supporting the weight.
How did this hold up over time? When you drive on it, is it cracking?
Of course it will crack, there is no rebar reinforcing this loose gravel/concrete mixture. It's more of cheap solution to common gravel driveway issues. It works great if you have a lot of land and long stretches of gravel driveways.
Of course
You have to use just concrete and soil to not have Crack and last
Awesome video, I will use this as an alternative to a concrete walkway in my backyard! Materials are cheap, and all the labor I can do myself for free!
I was quoted $16,000 for a concrete walkway in my yard!!😳
Think hard work comes cheap ?
How much did it end up costing you?
@@tyler1671the trades right now are ridiculously priced. Good for them, but it goes back to our trash government handing our loans to people who weren't ready to get degrees they wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
Left a scarcity of tradesmen and now people want 7bgrand for 2 days of work where the guy who set it up pockets 2k+ of that 😂
It's a Racket and again, good for the guys making money off it but the other bonus is its getting more and more people into learning it themselves.
You know, like 90% of our grandfather's did? 😂
@@tyler1671 $16K for a walkway? I've seen long driveways done for $10K. I guess it depends on where you live.
@@LoriCrabtree31 whoever did it for 10 owned all their own shit for 20 years and don't hsve to chsrge Mt cousin owns a tree company 40 years ago prices were high now he will cut a 5k job for 3k
Must be doing it to someone’s driveway they don’t like as a joke
Nice job. Always good to see someone not having to smash the account to get a good result. I would hope though that people wear a quality mask or respirator when working with powder, that stuff is caustic and will burn your lungs out. Carcnagine as well.
Why is he calling the mortar that he's brushing on concrete? It's not concrete until it's mixed with stone and water.
You sir
Have essentially made 2/3 of a Roman road.
Roman’s would add a layer of clay on top then very large flat stones to surface.
Good work dude for rediscovering a two thousand year old technique and sharing it to so many people.
Correct my friend
Why clay? Aggregate?
@@Screch drainage I believe
Roads back then were on a bit of a slope left and right to push water to the edges.
Clay enhanced the effectiveness.
People do this all the time with farming or agriculture related things and it really annoys me. Like yeah. So you made a TH-cam video about some s*** that people have been doing since before toilets
@@kash666666not every one is as smart as you...your highness 😂😂😂
I wonder how it would be to use twice as much and work it in with a box scraper. Also a follow up video would be nice to see how well it really worked.
Trust me, it DIDN'T!
@@stlstreets1318 how do you know ?
Crushed limestone or a base stone powder would work better more flexible
+1. Great question. Also considering doing similar with quicklime or hydrated lime to prep almost 100% clay driveway and prepping pads for concrete that are 2-3 ft of fill.
@@johnoswald6192that will work . I have 100% clay here in the Carolinas. I’ve experimented with a few different methods. You can mix pure Portland cement into the clay or hydrated lime. The only problem I had was more clay covering up my test area after a hard rain. it was very hard though. You have to till
It in . There’s also a liquid thats for building roads out of clay or sand called K-31 but It’s expensive . It’s also on TH-cam.
That shit is going to chip up into 1 million little concrete ninja stars
Oh no, I just finished doing this exact thing, DANG. You are a week too late. What do I do know. Rent a Jack hammer maybe?
@@furturisticfrontierfilms if you have it done already then you can wait it out, possibly seal over the top of it might buy you more time but yeah, it’s really just a concrete crust over the top that won’t hold on its own for long. I’d Jack hammer it all up and do it correctly if you can afford it.
@@furturisticfrontierfilms Just roll with it man. It'll be gravel again soon enough. If a piece sticks up that offends(sharp/pokey) break it up with a hammer.
@@bwoodard907 how do we do it correctly?
@@PlayshotKalo rebar and 3” of poured concrete with a 3-2-1 mix.
You people are BRILLIANT!!! I am making garden paths on my 4 acres with soil cement. I use the dollar cement a lot. Never thought to use it like this. Good thinking!
You got that right
This DOES work. Hell, I emptied wet slurry from a wheel barrow (extra watery) all down my driveway 6 years ago and it's still hard as a rock. "Experts" will tell you 'no way' but it works. Beats hell out of continuously buying gravel.
I wouldn’t advise doing this. When it breaks up the concrete becomes like broken glass. I know because I did it and it was a huge mistake.
You need to "rototill" it in after spreading it.
I think this is a great idea. A stone driveway is only as good as it’s compactability. If you don’t have enough fines mixed in with your stone, it’s not going to lock everything together and compact it. For those saying it’s all going to crack up, what’s there to crack? He’s not pouring a 1” slab on top of the stone. He’s literally sweeping the cement into the voids essentially creating fines you would normally get with crushed concrete or #60-10 limestone base material. The only thing that would make this work better would be to run a plate compactor to work the cement down and keep adding material to lick it in throughout the thickness. It’s never going to setup like concrete, but I do believe it will stabilize the stone and reduce washout, ruts and potholes.
Exactly what I did with my walkway and it's great !! 2 yrs now !!
Enjoy the dust and chronic silicosis!
When all said and done you have just another gravel drive way . I totally see what your trying to get is a concrete or asphalt drive, but only a half inch thick ! Concrete is the best value there is in construction, if done correctly. If your trying to stretch your dollar, 3/4 of your labor is already there at the this point , rather that end up with something that doesn’t add value find a old mixer and just mix and place small appropriately size section of area or hard surface ? This will give you the flexibility of time and budget with a reasonable degree of planning and design you will get a structurally sound product with all the benefits of real equity . There are so many ways to make your project successful with stamping and colors , textures , acid stains overlays that were unavailable to the DIY not too many years ago. I’m semi retired concrete guy that has done everything the hard way most of my life and I’m not mocking anyone that is try to innovate or reinvent better wheel but the Romans got it right and a few millennia later and it’s pretty much done with Same methods and materials because it’s proven to be a product that will last . My last suggestion and most important. What ever you do …. The sub soil or material fill needs 95% compaction and there’s a ton of ways to get that because it’s only as strong as what is holding it up , ie good drainage or undisturbed soil it will fail if it holds water above the frost line .
But a concrete driveway raises taxes. I think this is more for someone just trying to get a bit more strength in areas on a budget.
@@headgieslife4177 that’s like saying I don’t like being paid over time $1.5x wage because of taxes or spend 50% less but replacing it 4 time as often
Should of just put pea gravel over it
There's some good tips here but I think everyone in the comments completely missed the point. This guy already had a gravel driveway and was simply looking to do something with it low cost that would help it hold up longer. He spent probably less than a hundred bucks on some torn up bags of cement and a weekend spreading it out. Overall it's not a bad idea for a problematic gravel drive way if you're not ready to pay tens of thousands for a new drive way. I think most people forget that some of us have country size driveways. For me in particular it would cost about 20k to put in a concrete driveway. A few trucks of gravel only costs about 1k. Bottom line everyone's best solution is gonna be different based on your needs.
@allensandven0 does drenching dirt count as compaction? 😅 I just dug up some dirt to put in a drain and then sloped the dirt leading to the drain. I plan do so something similar to what this guy did in my side yard that gets very light foot traffic and I drenched the soil after sloping it to ensure the water would flow the way I wanted it. Planning to do the cement and pea gravel tomorrow.
You don't even gotta do that, just use firewood ash🤷♂️
Tell me you know NOTHING about concrete and drainage, without telling me you know nothing about concrete and drainage.
Not a good ideea, but the word "cheap" is getting everyone's attention...
That will do. Absolutely nothing the first time you drive on it it will pulverize
URE BAT SHIT NUTS ALSO
After the thing gets driven on for a week you will have nothing but lil stones with concrete attached to it making it just another eye sore save some money and get it done professionally
Wonder how a fertilizer spreader would work?
Cool idea friend.
I'm pretty sure it would just fling shit everywhere
@Mitch Batten TELL HIM MITCH HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS SIR.
Should have raked it in instead of just brushing it on …. Then spray it for several days . May last a year
Decayed granite is far superior for this application but can be hard to get in some areas of the country and it looks much nicer
Mixing the concrete 50/50 with sand may have stretched the concrete even further…
Thank you
would make it much stronger I would think....or even 1:3 ratio(3 being the sand)
Would love an update, but particularly at the end of the driveway seems like a good way to keep dust down
It’s been working quite well, in fact, as I find bags of concrete that are torn for a dollar. I’ve been continuing to add them to other parts of the driveway. The driveway does not get washed out even when there’s quite a bit of rain. Hope this answer helps.👍
I've been pouring concrete for over 40yrs and that's the laziest, sloppiest and poorest application of cement I've ever seen. You would have been better off taking a big steaming dump on this driveway. The property owner is going to spend multiples fixing this mess vs. what they would have spent doing it right in the first place.
I’m wtf where’s the results?
I’ve been wanting to do something like this to our driveway and under our carport. I hate the gravel and dust it creates. Is there an after video? I’d like to see what it looks like done and see how it’s held up?
This is a great tip! can you make a few photos or a video of how it looks after it is dry?
I am sure it looks terrible lol 😂
@@Entrepreneurusa right? It looks terrible before it dries definitely the cheap route to take
100 percent Guarantee it's crumbled up. Wast of time, money and effort
It hapoened to me inadvertantly whent the concrete truck brought concrete to pour my house pad. Granted it was mixed concrete but it was no deeper than two inches and it still hasnt cracked. In cold ass weather or any other conditions. Cheap way out? Do yall understand how much concrete cost? I have a over 600' ft driveway i could buy a new vehicle for the prices ive been quoted. There is a balance point and anything is better than doing nothing., especially if you dont have a big driveway like i do. Why does everyone have to act like an expert when all they do is probably worked for a guy for a week before they found out it was hard work. In tgese times with a collapsing dollar that we muat be resourceful and conscious of our money.
@@stevensquires5329 well said
Why not just add more gravel and build a border with landscape timber to hold the gravel?
he might be an idiot who knows
Well as my grand pa would say. If you want it to look like a dummy did it….hire a dummy to do it….
Thin concrete will just crumble under weight. Might work for a walking path, not a driveway
what about for basketball
It works
If normal gravel would hold up for a while, with this it will up a bit better
This guy talks like there's a special technique to spreading it with a broom... HAHAHAHAHAHA
Has anyone tried mixing the gravel and concrete with decomposed granite? I'm wondering if it would be a good filler to get more coverage with the concrete, but wouldn't impact it's strength.
Bro I would have never in a million years tried something like this, but its a quick cheap solution to make the driveway useable until I do my asphalt paving next year. 👍
Could’ve used a lawn drop spreader to lay out the concrete to get a more even all around coverage for the entire driveway
So looks don't count then? And how long is 1.5 - 2 in thick gravel/concrete combo going to last after a vehicle drives over it (and with no reinforcement)? Are you going to put relief joints in? I'm pretty sure the concrete in my drive is 6 in. thick (at least); and it was put in after the driveway was graded, prepped and compacted. A little bit of cement filtering down between your gravel just means now you're going to have larger chunks of gravel being displaced.
Don't you loose the draining ability of the gravel then?
Without consolidation the concrete does nothing. Its will in a 4 season climate break down. If you live in an area that has winter, pave it.
Just run it over with a plate rented compactor. All good.
You may laugh at what he did but, considering it will keep the dust down and yes it should keep the gravel from washing out as easily. Sure, it will break up over time but, it will add resilience for a few years.
Nonetheless a waste product of open random bags of concrete and a cheaper alternative to adding more and more gravel a win win win in my book
I think it would last longer if you agitated the existing gravel before you dust the top with the portland and the mortar mix. But for a quick fix that will work for awhile
I actually didn't think of that, very clever idea
What’s agitate the existing gravel means in practicality???
Does that means wetting it before appplying the mortal mix?
@@Afuw41 no it means using some sort of mixing method like tilling the Portland into the gravel and base dirt to cause a bonding effect
Why use CONCRETE on a gravel driveway??? You’d just be adding more gravel to the surface, because concrete is a mixture of cement, sand AND gravel. Instead, do what this guy did as shown in the video: Add MORTAR to gravel surface, as mortar consists of only cement and sand. The surface of your driveway already provides the gravel!
Probably not good results in area with freeze thaw cycles
My dad did this back in the 60s. He used a drop spreader to apply the dry concrete
Is it still holding up?
@@kimyatawilliams4588 it worked well until he had a garage built and moved the driveway
You could just call and order some asphalt millings and pack them in...
You're putting a band aid on a gunshot wound. The matrix isn't near thick enough so when any significant amount of pressure is put on it it will fail.
Nice I thought of this when I was a kid and everyone called me nuts. Our street was gravel and always had pits near each driveway especially ours on a corner. Spent hours a week with rake leveling it out and we had a bags of cement in garage .
I'm so tired of my gravel driveway I'm at the point where I just want to straight pour instant concrete mix in it and call it a day!
What about asphalt??
@@gordo1230 I've thought about it too.
@@Andy-im3kj I thought about that and made a horrible mistake and checked with the city code compliance officer. He told me to dig the whole thing up, let him inspect it first before the job, because it must be 4" of sand then 6" of gravel followed by 6" of asphalt and if I veered off HIS directives I would have to dig the entire thing up and also receive a code violation at $150 a day until it was fixed. I will continue to drive on a pothole filled gravel drive until this guy either retires or until I save enough extra money to slip him something under his office door. Dang. I hate living in a broke busted city that has to make money on everything including breathing. It's almost like paying the "vig" to gangster here, you never pay it off.
@@furturisticfrontierfilms Damn man I'm sorry to hear that and yeah I never really went through with anything besides just wishing I would. I'm just going to have to wait and save money to have an actual installation for my driveway.
@@furturisticfrontierfilms I'm with you. Better to just use bandaid fixes than to deal with any city hall BS. It's always " good for now" because "the inspectors" work for TheMan. Pay or get Fined..either way we loose. Bag a cement in a pot hole works for us too!!!
Tell me how that experiment comes out. I'm designing a garden of Eden. Its a diamond in the rough but once complete you will not have to do anything but eat. Self seeding, it's basically a biosphere for the home gardener with money to spend on a "landscape supermarket".
Bandaid solution at best. Just properly grade the gravel area and you wont need to do anything like this.
I do not know how to say this and not sound like a jerk: there is no strength gain here. If you pour flour or sand over the gravel it would be about the same: the soil would be a little more dense for a while, usually until the first 2-3 rain sessions. Not to mention that cement will infiltrate into the ground water. Sorry, but for anyone watching this I would advise against it !
Exactly how I used to do it! Worked great... and then I bought a black truck...
Did this in Az. but just around the edges...did exactly what I wanted.
Why not just dump the bag in a seed spreader?
Next homeowners exact words...."what dumbass did this"
Will it kill the weeds?
what kind of stone did you use did you use CR 14 or 57 stone or something else also I really don't need a huge space just enough to park a pickup truck and a sports car
yes I used to work for a Grading Company :) thank you in advance for any help you could give me I greatly appreciate it:)
How about a drop spreader wide open
I’m curious how this holds up over time. Can you give an update?
I think a real test will be after winter. So far it’s been working out really well as far as water not eroding away the gravel. The area we picked was a high traffic area for water drainage. It would typically Cut ruts into the gravel as the water moved from one side to the next. In the spring will continue this process for the rest of the drive after we see what the winter brings. Hope this answers some of your questions
@@livefree6878 hows it holding up so far
I have done this before it works well, the key is not to use too much too soon. You don't want it to set up like concrete because then it will crack like half-ass concrete. He might have added too much here. I would add a little over several weeks.
1 or 2 winters.
MINE HAS BEEN DOWN 4 15+ YRS NO PROBLEMS WIT IT.
Nope we have done this…it breaks
Baby did you forget to take your meds again???
Trust me..this is a dumb idea...you're gonna have broken pieces and crap everywhere in no time and a absolute mess and nightmare!! Lmao...some pple...geezz
ON TONIGHTS Episode of Americans do the darndest things xD
If you live where frost gets into the ground during winter months this won’t stand up. Freeze and thaw cycles will break it quickly.
They did this at my job and it’s a nightmare years later dust will go e everywhere
My gravel place sells ground up asphalt from roads. Spray a little diesel fuel on it in summer and roll over it.
Dude you want to make money on TH-cam with different ripped bags of concrete IDthink so? I'm mexicanamerican and I buy whole pallets of new concrete bags if you buy more than 64 bags or something they come our cheaper don't be stingy dude when you die you're not gonna take a dollar you can't? And for that I can't continue watching your video sorry
Rubbish waste of money! Cement powder on its own, brushed in and sprinkled with water has no strength to withstand constant traffic and movement of the gravel. Terrible for the environment and wildlife.Will break back down into a crumbly, dirty mess mixed in with your once nice gravel.
Update video opportunity…
I agree, an update or part 2 should be due about now. I see this as a quick and cheap way to manage any trouble spots on a gravel driveway before they get a chance to degrade.
Will it crack and flake apart later?
This is wild and essentially like lighting your money on fire … $10,20$… doesn’t matter
Hmmm, I think it’s a good concept, but I think it will break very quickly under any kind of pressure.
It’ll definitely crack to pieces! But I think the idea was more along the lines of less erosion from water flow. $10 a year to keep the ruts from forming seems good to me!
I think that the gravel is already compacted. The cement just helps bond what's already strong.
From my experience this technique does work but it was better to take a box blade with ripping teeth and rip up the gravel making it somewhat fluffy again. Theb dump your bag. Backfill with tractor. It allows the concrete to bind more stone and the stone will act as rebar in a slab. Look its not the perfect set up, but when you have. 600' driveway this is a no brainer. Ive been quoted over 20k to do my driveway and thats just out of the question.
use more of it i guess
Low and high spots 🤣🤣🤣
Greta job 😂👍🏻😫
For the price and a little labor this might be a cheap short term inexpensive fix. Thanks bro.
I have a gravel driveway and I'n NOT going to do this because of the mess it will create. I want to see how his driveway looks after 1 year.
Great tip, but I bet people driving by are thinking, wth is that guy sweeping his gravel driveway for?! 🤣😂
Was watching other videos where they add mulch glue or other glue types to stiffen the gravel, though it would've had issues with heavy vehicles.
WOw, thanks for that, I have bit of a slope to the garden, with those small stones, and my motorbike is in a barn and is slippery on the stones going up the slope and down, + the rain washes it down. I think this will do the trick I hope! Only need about 2.5 meter wide and about 5 mtr long, Great idea.... I may mix a small amount of sharp sand in a barrow with it, tip and sweep.
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I hope your vehicle doesn't weigh more than 2,000 pounds are you going to have chunks of concrete all over your driveway
Where do I go to find this super discount concrete??
Home Depot has it all of the time. I’m sure Lowe’s does too!
@@Bernardory Thank you Bernard. I just got to ask using the correct terms.....maybe asking for damaged bags?
Best wishes from Lahore Pakistan ❤❤❤
How well is this holding up?