Ks47 owner here the ks47 is an exellent firearm with a lifetime warranty its also lighter than the mutant so if this is a hunting rifle instead of a range slut that can be a benefit.
Bro they ran the cmmg on full-auto for months-years. Over a 100,000 rounds and it still was running; good luck with that on any ak or ar platform. These things are fucking tanks worth the money long term.
Definitely, I've seen too many AR-15s in larger calibers break their Bolt. And notice I'm saying that in plural. The bolt face in the AR-15 was designed for the 5.56 you just can't make it thinner and then shove a heavier cartridge in. Not to mention by this point I think most of design flaws are ironed out of the mutant.
cmmg is a down sized ar10 psa is an upsized ar15 i would preffer the heavier ar10 bolt to handle the 7.62*39 vs a streched out or shaved down 5.56 bolt the heavier bolt will last alot longer because its original design was for .308
People looking to build Pistols and SBR's wont even consider the CMMG parts for a build.. The PSA's greatest advantage is the AR15 form factor.. The bolt face might be visually weaker however bolt failure has never been a problem in 7.62x39 chambered AR's. Plus bolt heads are $40 bucks.. If it bothers you replace it ever 5K rounds.
The problem with the PSA KS47 is that with any forward movement of the magazine, the feed lips will rub the bolt enough to cause stoppages. This is do to the fact that PSA's KS47 uses the front magazine latching platform of the magazine to stop upward movement of the magazine into the upper receiver...The AK47 magazine was designed to have stops in the receiver, one to each side, to stop this upward movement. This is why there is variations with some mags working and others not. This front section is of different heights and thicknesses on many magazines as the latching location is what's important. PSA's design team screwed up and didn't put magazine stops in the upper receiver...It took me an hour to find the design flaw without ever seeing one before. All they needed to do was machine magazine stops into the upper which could have been easily done with very little added machining time. Within another hour I verified that stops would not interfere with magazine insertion, bolt/carrier movement or with cartridges moving out of the magazine into the chamber. I now have JB Welded stops located just like an AK47 does, on my upper receiver. I'm an aerospace machinist and will eventually drill, ream and press fit a dowel pin in place of the JB Weld...Kinda want to see how long the JB works though, so will wait until it breaks out. I stayed on the phone waiting for a good 45mins before talking to a representative of PSA and disclosed in detail their design flaw...The person I talked with, Dave, said he would forward this info to their design team,...the team that glitched the design. This info really should be going to the top as they are losing orders with this flaw and we all know what people do when you make them look inadequate...Lets hope that doesn't happen as they did an excellent job with quality otherwise. Also, just to be precise here. They also put the front latching location in the lower receiver up a little too high and this also contributes to the bolt rubbing on the magazine feed lips. Though, this latching pin location could be the result of testing and the need for the bullet tips to impact the barrel extension feed ramps under high-speed operation...If this is the case then there wasn't much they could do with this angling of the magazine. I did notice that they also made the 2 bolt lugs which come in contact with the feed lips of the magazine thinner to reduce rubbing. That works a little, but they really needed to cut one side of each opposing lug at an angle to completely stop the rubbing...I've done mine so it's not a problem and I doubt that it weakens the lugs enough to be an issue as the angle is about .040 from the root of the lugs...Where all the shearing forces are. In closing, PSA,...for what I paid for my KS47, I shouldn't have to use JB Weld to fix your design flaws....And yes, it is a design flaw. P.S....If you do fix your error and put stops in, make sure there is a good radius, there's room, where the shelf/stop meets the receiver to give it max strength there. With a good radius, the chances of that cracking from some internet gun yahoo doing a drop test onto the magazine will be considerably less....Thought I'd add that do to your " design teams " lack of vision.
Thanks for posting this, I have the same views and was hoping that PSA would correct these issues. This product has become a big let down in my opinion.
Yup, their beta testers are a bunch of BOZOs....Actually, no excuse for this, a bunch of fuckin' idiots. They're costing me a lot of time to fix this shit shack.
Sept 2018. The next gen PSA 47 is coming out. We will see if they fix the issues. ......ok it's almost November and still not on website. Hope it's to address issues. But I doubt it. I got my info of September 2018 for new version form PSA customer service.
Overall, the only two things that I think that the Mutant has over the KS47 are the BCG and the and potentially the barrel quality. I like the idea of the wall that goes around the rim of the cartridge being thicker on the Mutant. Even the standard AR15 BCG for 5.56 uses a thicker wall on the bolt than the KS47. This probably won't mean much to your average shooter who goes out once a month at most, but for people who shoot very often and shoot alot when they do, the bolt itself will definitely wear out quicker because of that super thin wall, especially since 99% of people who shoot 7.62x39 buy steel case ammo. If PSA changed the design to accommodate a bolt with a thicker wall and had FN make CHF barrels for these, the Mutant would only be bought for the name at that point.
This was really interesting! Since you made this, PSA has come out with a gen 2 version.....Knowing what you have experienced....which do you think has better QC? which do you prefer? I bet they both shoot great! Thanks so much for these interesting and great reviews. Doctor David BTW, I subbed along time ago! God Bless America!
I got my ks47 gen 2 on sale,the upper and lower together cost me 550 something with tax. It came with psa's elite trigger which is fantastic. It's extremely reliable,if you can get on sale it's undoubtedly better for the money. You also hear about issues with mutants on forums and TH-cam ect
This is going to become the new darling of AR Pistol / SBR Builders and once this concept really takes off i think you can pretty much wave goodbye to the .300 Blackout. Over 90% of its sales are in the 125gr Supersonic loading which is virtually identical to standard steel cased 7.62x39 milsurp which is 75% cheaper than brass cased .300 Blackout.
I said this on a comment to someone who was stating the 300 blk would have 20% more energy at any range vs 39. when I asked how that can be if the 125 supers fly the same path as 122 grain standard fodder, I got nothing. in the real world it's not a big enough difference to brag on and doesn't do a job all that much better for my needs. subs: sure, they don't even make 39 subs. sbr: either works great. silenced?: again no subs for 39 so clear winner there. and I have one word for the 300blks godly so called massive energy dump "8m3."
I have the KS-47 and like it so far. I only had issues using Korean mags when I held on to them as the handguard got hot. The steel Korean magazine was loose on the sides and when I gripped the mag when firing, the bolt lug was binding with the feed lips, which was causing the failure to eject. I added some rail covers to remedy this hot handguard issue. As far as the groups, they were the size of an orange with iron sights at 25 yards. I was using TulAmmo. I replaced the A2 muzzle with a Precision Armament M4-72 which helped with the recoil.
Still stuck between the two. $850 for the PSA, or $1100 for the Mutant? Definitely like the bolt face being beefier, but I like assembling my firearms, and saving a bit of money for mags and ammo that won't come with the PSA KS47. Thoughts? Also, nice side-by-side. Thanks for the video!
Kaleb Johnson after playing around with the CMMG on another video, I realized that's the better option. I've been hearing too many horror stories about the KS47 and PSA's QC...
Good to know. I was wondering about PSA's QC. I bought an AR15 rifle kit, and it isn't the best, but it works. There were some things here and there, but overall, it functions. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks again!
biggest issue is the bolt, I would not touch another AR15 pattern 762x39. I have 3 of the older superbolts that have lasted, Those bolts were a limited run and over built. The old colt bolts are ok. Most of these other bolts will not last. The Mutant will certainly last longer.
Just noticed that the cmmg dose NOT have a forward assist. I feel like the cmmg is over built with the 308 stuff. The only thing that looks weak on the psa seems to be the paper thin rim on the bolt. But having said that I've never seen one break. Just my opinion.
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Yes, that paper thin milling job is what will lead to bolt failure. Normally the bolt lugs crack or break off, not good while defending yourself or your family. They took a BCG designed for a basically a .22cal on steroids round and milled it out to accept a .30cal round. Just asking for trouble. The CMMG MK47 is based on the AR10 platform which is designed for a .30cal round. The .308. 7.62x51 is a high pressure .308 round measuring .311" od. So, the 7.62x39mm is a short case .30cal round. The pressures are still higher than the 5.56/.223... Thus the heavier/ stronger components, i.e. The BCG, the upper, lower, barrel, buffer & buffer spring. This makes it safer, more reliable, lower recoil, more accurate rifle. That's what we all want. In my opinion the CMMG MK47 is a no brainer, clearly the better rifle. I've shot both. I own the CMMG...
Perfect example of knowledge and facts not C.O.D stats and opinions. I owned the PSA PA-10 and it was nothing less than a nightmare total LEMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
Being an FFL holder I have had the advantage of being able to run both firearms and have put in excess of 500 rounds through both without issue so far. I prefer a high end AK to these "mutant" type rifles but with the exception of PSA's HORRID customer service personnel I can find NO reason to pay almost twice as much for the CMMG product. With both rifles I installed upgraded triggers with about a 3lb pull and with both rifles with the trigger upgrade I could manage MOA groups at 100 yards. What I CANNOT stand about either rifle is the AR direct impingement system of operation and the anal need of cleaning and running the damned firearms "wet". With an AK you just load, aim and fire and unless you ran through a 500 round box of ammo its up to you to immediately clean and lube the gun before firing it again. With these mutants or any other rifle that utilizes any form of the Stoner design you either keep the firearm spotlessly clean and VERY lubed or you can count on FTF's. That is why the various AR15 designs have been so problematic in EVERY war scenario they have ever been used in from the jungles of Southeast Asia to the desert conditions of the Middle East..........always problems and the makers always trying improvement and upgrade after improvement and upgrade to try to finally get what is now a very old design to work reliably in the field. Why do field commanders in just about every theater of operation always allowed their troops to use enemy captured small arms? Because the Eugene Stoner design and the anemic round it fires is simply not suited for combat after some 50 years of constant upgrade attempts. I do enjoy shooting these Mutant type rifles and I enjoy shooting AR platform rifles but I would NEVER grab one to get me through a SHTF scenario if I ever had an AK47 laying around instead. Fun guns but long proven a failure in combat. I still don't understand why the military ever designed a firearm that shot maybe the third best prairie dog shooting round instead of designing a gun that shoots a round that will do more than punch a .22 hole through a bad guy. Hell, they shoulda used the .220 SWIFT if they were going to field a varmint rifle for a combat gun.
There are countless bad guys laying dead overseas with .22 size dots in their abdomens, it's what you don't see with your eyes (internally) that's the killer, same goes for 5.45x39. It's the sheer velocity of the round that kills you (it obliterates your internal organs), and not the diameter of the bullet. This caliber is battle proven in hundreds of conflicts world wide, I don't think that's arguable. BUT I respect your opinion, you have your likes and dislikes and I totally understand.
The PSA uses an AR15 BCG and is weaker than the CMMG uses an AR 10.308 BCG which is meant to handle the the higher pressures of the 30cal. Round. There are breakage issues with a 5.56mm bolt milled out to accept the 30cal case. Go ahead and get the weaker PSA 7.62x39 AR15 style rifle. My life just may depend on the strength and reliability of the choice of go to rifle I choose. So, I chose the AR10 platform CMMG MK47 Mutant. Awesome rifle, No malfunctions, no wear after 200rounds....
Thanks for the comment the advantage of the bigger bolt was noted in the video. I think any decent gun can stand up to 200 rounds, let me know how things are around the 2k Mark.
+Ricky Santana Oh, I really wanted to shoot these guns, but they were up for sale so I need to look else where for someones gun to T&E...lol. Still was nice having both in front of me... Thanks for checking out the video!
The LARGEST DIFFERENCE IN THR BCG is the bottom. The bottom of the PSA BCG allows for AK mags to be seated in the magwell and not hit the bottom of thr bcg. If it was a standard BCG than it would butt up against it.
PSA is one great company but man, it sure is hard to beat that BCG the CMMG has. I would like to see the 7.62X39 round try to wear down that monster BCG that comes with the CMMG "Mutant". I just wish that CMMG wasn't so damned "proud" of their rifles as they sure are pricey in comparison to the PSA offering.
+Dennis Matt True, MK47 is beefy..........Make sure you sub, should be getting a Mutant in here soon for a shooting comparison video. So there is some good content coming soon.
Since I bought this rifle the BCG hangs up stripping the top round into the chamber. Serious pain in the ass. I don't have experience with AKs but I'm think an AK BCG has more mass? Is the AR BCG lighter and therefore have trouble stripping the rounds from fully loaded mags? I've even downloaded to 20rds. Same trouble. I've used Pmags, gen2 and gen 3, korean steel, Polish mags, and a Hungarian steel. Same problem. My understanding is that mags can make or break the AK in so far as reliability goes. I can't find the winning combination here. I'm into over $200 in magazines so far on my search. I'm considering cutting my losses and buying an AK to go with all these mags ;) Now this review post isn't meant to be and internet keyboard jam job. There is much I like about this rifle. It groups great! This fitment is very good. The thin barrel and balance with a full mag is great as well. I just want more reliability! One of the sellig points stated is the gun is based on an AR15 upper unlike the CMMG rifle's AR10 upper. I also have no hands on experience with the CMMG mutant but I'm guessing the bulkier AR10 upper has a correspondingly more massive BCG. Does that extra mass aid in stripping rounds from the magazine during cycling? Would the KS47 benefit from a heavier recoil spring? I know you can only go so heavy on a recoil spring before you start causing other problems. Just a thought. Again, I'm truly not hating. I love the design, the build, and the feel of this rifle. I'm just struggling to keep it running!
This is a known problem (at least people are starting to report similar issues), it seems that the BCG hangs up on the magazines. This is exaggerated if you rest the gun on the mag while firing or hold the mag while firing. At this time PSA is trying to down play the issue. I say give them a call, seems that their BCG needs a re-design.
Redryder79 there is a video on TH-cam that explains the magazine problems with the CMMG Mutant. It also gives you a couple of very simple mods to increase reliability exponentially. I'm saving some money now for the CMMG. Once I saw the magazine mod video, I'm definitely getting one.
Great Vid comparison, I have the Mutant with the Giselle Trigger and I'll have to say putting about 4K rounds thru it without cleaning it recently, it is a beast and with the bigger BCG puts a safe and reliable upgrade to the rifle. Tho I haven't shot the PSA so can't say one is better. I would definitely depend my life with the mutant. Make a shooting vid :)
+Johnny Blaze Thanks for the comment, I really need to get these two out on the range. I am still torn between which one I want. The CMMG mutant just sells piece of mind, and the PSA gun sells ease of parts interchangeability and user friendliness....
+DFWWARPIGS Alright, I have been following a thread on ARFCOM where they state that their BCG is a hybrid and works in their AR47 and Their KS47. This leads me to believe that other BCGs will work, not absolutely sure yet. I will check again, I took the first video down after your comment. I realized that I didn't add the BCG info, which is now in the video. So I do owe you a big thanks for your questions.
+DFWWARPIGS I should add that when Palmetto State originally announced this gun they gave the impression that everything was "milspec" except for the lower. Now everything is a hybrid or dedicated to this particular gun. It's pretty confusing so bear with me I will get answers for both me and you!
DFWWARPIGS We are in the same boat, I just read they will be coming out with complete short barreled uppers and the complete and stripped lowers should be here shortly. Put your email down on the in stock notification tab on the lowers asap.
+556 Channel (HD) Hmm... I don't see any difference between a Mil-Spec BCG and theirs... Might need to test the theory. Otherwise, besides it and the lower mag well, everything is Mil-Spec!
true dat, true dat. but the whole point behind DI is that you get that smooth cycling, accuracy and low sight/bore axis. not saying it's better, but it is what it is from an engineering standpoint. im sorry you're not an ak fan, but if you are looking for the ultimate go-to-war system im forced to echo what you're bound to hear on the subject and insist on an ak.
5-4-16 ..I checked my email and there was a mass email showing the KS47 for sale ...I got two of them...an hour later after the email came out they sold out...WOW...I got lucky never received the "notification" email
+DFWWARPIGS I got the email (KS47 stripped lowers), they were available for about 2 hours. I missed them, texted my dealer and they did move quick enough.. Hope the next batch becomes available soon. I'm pissed!
+556 Channel (HD) The ks47 lowers do not work with standard ar15 uppers like Adam from PSA said in every damn video he put out about it. He even knocked on cmmg for using proprietary parts, and yet they do this.
+556 Channel (HD) I'm really disappointed. haha. My idea was the ks47 lower and a side charging upper. That idea is gone. Why even sell the stripped lower's in the first place.
The AK round & direct gas impingement seems like they shouldn't be together. If they'd gas piston those things, they could be something....! Anyway, great video!
CMMG Mutant all the way only because it uses a modified AR10 bcg group, which is less likely to fail. If I'd have to get an AR chambered in 7.62x39, I'd want it to last as long as possible.
@@556ChannelHD I did not realize how old this video was. So the CMMG Mutant is the better of the two then. What about compared to the M10X and other competitors?
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It looks like PSA reverse engineered the CMMG and it's close to a copy I'd like to see how the PSA actually shoots and if PSA actually fix the magazine feed issues that plague the CMMG MK 47??
iron poopie but after the initial release the gen 1 PSA KS47 proved you get what you pay for. These things were popping up every where with major issues that were design related.
+Uniform Tango 74 I would say yes it's more accurate based on the design of the AR15. The barrel is free floated compared to AK barrels which allow the handguard and the retainer to make contact with the barrel which screws with it's natural harmonics.
Sounds good. I'm actually really interested in one of those KS47s. Price tag though is what's holding me back. Thanks for the feedback 556. I subbed ya since you seem like you're one of the smaller gun guys here on youtube like me.
Uniform Tango 74 got you subbed too, seems like people only sub the big guys with huge followings. Anyway you can save some money by buying the Upper/Lower kit and picking up a stripped lower when they become available again. You save about $180 doing it that way.
When they make one of those things with a last shot hold open and a bolt catch then I'll get one. Furthermore, that price on the CMMG Mutant has to come way down because it is just a DI gun not even a piston like an AK47. Still a long way to go for ME to want to purchase one. Give me a last shot hold open bolt lock and a piston and I'd buy either one at the present prices.
last round bolt hold open is dependant on the magazine. the majority of AK mags are not designed with one. it's the mag not the gun! There are a few rare mags that have this feature, and they will lock open on the last round.....
I have found a source just a few moments ago for followers on the mags that hold it open on the last shot. Thanks! Now what I need is a bolt catch and then I'd buy the KS-47 and not the Mutant. CMMG is real proud of that and charge a lot for that weapon. I'm sure, its made well, I just don't think a DI gun should ever be more than about $800.00 And there are some real nice DI AR's under that price. Lastly, if Adams Arms makes a piston conversion for it, I could go that route as well.
CMMG chose to beef up their BCG, it's not mandatory. There are tons of AR74 rifles out there with standard BCG and they're running fine. Doesn't make one inferior, just different approaches.
I have both KS-47 is much more reliable hands down not one malfunction over 1000 rounds no cleaning yet on purpose. Cmmg I’ve had problem after problem I even sent it back to them they said they fixed it oh and that’s the second time it was sent back I will say it’s much better but it still is super picky with different mags and still jams all over he time probably once ever 50 rounds. A friend of mines also has one same issue I’ll take my KS-47 any day
cmmg ar47 with 1 mag $1,849 psa ar47 with 10 mags $790 lol I know who's the winner here..psa has the ar47 rifle kit with 10mags for $599..thats everything except the lower
seems like not a bad buy..ive been reading up for the past 3 months on this rifle and all seems good..i own a bunch of hi dollar rifles and a lot of psa stuff,never really had to many problems with psa other than a PA10 that turned out to be a lemon..after sending it off to them they replaced parts and sent it back,I have about 1200 rounds thru it with no issues
Hey man are you at work ? Good video. Thanks. I'm liking the PSA but I don't know. I have AKs and ARs that I can trust my life with. I'd like to see someone put some serious rounds through the PSA before I buy one. Then again maybe I'll buy one and burn the powder myself
No, I don't work there. Its my local gun shop, they had both, rifles on the wall so I figured I would do a quick comparison. Either way I wouldn't rush to make this my go-to rifle so fast. It definitely needs some time and a few thousand rounds through it. Maybe in a year we will be able to see if this is a real contender.
No, I don't work there. Its my local gun shop, they had both, rifles on the wall so I figured I would do a quick comparison. Either way I wouldn't rush to make this my go-to rifle so fast. It definitely needs some time and a few thousand rounds through it. Maybe in a year we will be able to see if this is a real contender.
The internals are no where near similar. Cmmg used a 308 type bcg. Psa mills out a 556 bcg. Meaning the psa will break way before the cmmg as far as rd count goes. Horrible review.
+daddydubbs I really don't think you watched more than 1 minute of this video. I actually put both carriers together and specifically mention that the CMMG's carrier is beefier and has larger lugs etc.......
I like windham weaponry 7.62x39 upper for standard m4 platform. C products 20 round clip they work flawless. Much better most likely than psa mutant rifle. And the upper cost what a mutant rifle cost. They are accurate, morso than psa equipment. And better built. You get what you pay for. Hopefully windham will come out with 6.5 grendel soon.
I hear ya. I feel I wasted a lot of money before I was able to form 4 SBRs and suppressors. Check out my videos on woknded fan. The funnest sbr is my cmmg mk9 and my 5" ar45
556 Channel (HD) Well I’d disagree for the simple fact most people will be using very cheap ammo in the 7.62x39 and that cheap ammo does run dirty , Ive actually used mine many (MK18&Socom) times in a few of mine just because I like to run it dirty . Wolf ammo is cheap but damn it’s filthy
This was a great video right up until you thought the PSA was better than the CMMG lmao. The beefier bolt of the CMMG way way outshines any rail changes you want to make to the PSA!!! Function over form everyday of the week my man. The 7.62 bolts on the ar15 carriers fail all the time because of how thin the walls are. If they used the same carrier and bolt than it would be a toss up. But that one thing will make a hell of a difference in reliability and durability over time. CMMG using an ar10 carrier and a very beefy bolt makes it a clear winner even if their customer service and availability is nonexistent right now lol
I thought that the PSA was better for very specific reasons, none of them being the points you highlighted (bolt carrier etc.). My main gripe with CMMG’s offering (5+ years ago) was it’s proprietary parts and not being able to buy/build a mutant (at the time). On the other hand, PSA sold lowers,uppers, and BCGs separately. That was my reasoning, nothing to do with function or reliability since I wasn’t afforded the opportunity to shoot the guns.
@@556ChannelHD I can totally agree with that, cmmg has absolutely abysmal wait times right now on getting products out and their customer service isn't much better. I almost felt bad defending cmmg with the way they are right now lol.
я из Украины. У нас оружие не легализировано (не легально). Наши власти смеются над нами. Людей которых мы выбрали как менеджеры страны - возомнили себя царьками! (царями!)I'm from Ukraine. Our weapons are not legalized (not legally). Our authorities are laughing at us. People whom we have chosen as the country's managers - imagined themselves czars! (Kings!)
Easy to see where PSA saved the money.
I would prefer the heavier duty bolt on the CMMG if I was buying one.
True, who wouldn't.... but for $500 makes you think twice
@@556ChannelHD I know! Especially with the GEN 2 version and PSA is always having incredible deals! THANKS SIR! doc david
Ks47 owner here the ks47 is an exellent firearm with a lifetime warranty its also lighter than the mutant so if this is a hunting rifle instead of a range slut that can be a benefit.
Bro they ran the cmmg on full-auto for months-years. Over a 100,000 rounds and it still was running; good luck with that on any ak or ar platform. These things are fucking tanks worth the money long term.
Yeah look luck getting one! I waited almost 10 months before I pulled my order and got a psa ks47 with their newer bolt and hardened extractor!
I like that the CMMG uses a .308 thickness bolt head. To me thats the difference and thats what I would lean towards.
It's definitely a nice touch. I'm leaning towards the CMMG myself.
+mixflip Oh by the way, keep up the good work I'm a watching subscriber!
Definitely, I've seen too many AR-15s in larger calibers break their Bolt. And notice I'm saying that in plural. The bolt face in the AR-15 was designed for the 5.56 you just can't make it thinner and then shove a heavier cartridge in. Not to mention by this point I think most of design flaws are ironed out of the mutant.
cmmg is a down sized ar10 psa is an upsized ar15 i would preffer the heavier ar10 bolt to handle the 7.62*39 vs a streched out or shaved down 5.56 bolt the heavier bolt will last alot longer because its original design was for .308
Side by side comparison is very informative. Thanks a lot for the video!
had to send mine back to PSA with the hybrid bolt, they replaced with TC-E bolt so far so good.
I received the upgraded extractor, but the original is still working
Excellent Comparison and Review! Subbed.
People looking to build Pistols and SBR's wont even consider the CMMG parts for a build.. The PSA's greatest advantage is the AR15 form factor.. The bolt face might be visually weaker however bolt failure has never been a problem in 7.62x39 chambered AR's. Plus bolt heads are $40 bucks.. If it bothers you replace it ever 5K rounds.
The problem with the PSA KS47 is that with any forward movement of the magazine, the feed lips will rub the bolt enough to cause stoppages. This is do to the fact that PSA's KS47 uses the front magazine latching platform of the magazine to stop upward movement of the magazine into the upper receiver...The AK47 magazine was designed to have stops in the receiver, one to each side, to stop this upward movement. This is why there is variations with some mags working and others not. This front section is of different heights and thicknesses on many magazines as the latching location is what's important.
PSA's design team screwed up and didn't put magazine stops in the upper receiver...It took me an hour to find the design flaw without ever seeing one before. All they needed to do was machine magazine stops into the upper which could have been easily done with very little added machining time. Within another hour I verified that stops would not interfere with magazine insertion, bolt/carrier movement or with cartridges moving out of the magazine into the chamber. I now have JB Welded stops located just like an AK47 does, on my upper receiver. I'm an aerospace machinist and will eventually drill, ream and press fit a dowel pin in place of the JB Weld...Kinda want to see how long the JB works though, so will wait until it breaks out.
I stayed on the phone waiting for a good 45mins before talking to a representative of PSA and disclosed in detail their design flaw...The person I talked with, Dave, said he would forward this info to their design team,...the team that glitched the design. This info really should be going to the top as they are losing orders with this flaw and we all know what people do when you make them look inadequate...Lets hope that doesn't happen as they did an excellent job with quality otherwise.
Also, just to be precise here. They also put the front latching location in the lower receiver up a little too high and this also contributes to the bolt rubbing on the magazine feed lips. Though, this latching pin location could be the result of testing and the need for the bullet tips to impact the barrel extension feed ramps under high-speed operation...If this is the case then there wasn't much they could do with this angling of the magazine. I did notice that they also made the 2 bolt lugs which come in contact with the feed lips of the magazine thinner to reduce rubbing. That works a little, but they really needed to cut one side of each opposing lug at an angle to completely stop the rubbing...I've done mine so it's not a problem and I doubt that it weakens the lugs enough to be an issue as the angle is about .040 from the root of the lugs...Where all the shearing forces are.
In closing, PSA,...for what I paid for my KS47, I shouldn't have to use JB Weld to fix your design flaws....And yes, it is a design flaw.
P.S....If you do fix your error and put stops in, make sure there is a good radius, there's room, where the shelf/stop meets the receiver to give it max strength there. With a good radius, the chances of that cracking from some internet gun yahoo doing a drop test onto the magazine will be considerably less....Thought I'd add that do to your " design teams " lack of vision.
Thanks for posting this, I have the same views and was hoping that PSA would correct these issues. This product has become a big let down in my opinion.
Yup, their beta testers are a bunch of BOZOs....Actually, no excuse for this, a bunch of fuckin' idiots. They're costing me a lot of time to fix this shit shack.
Thanks so much for your detailed comment! I was thinking about buying a PSA. Now, I am gonna buy a CMMG instead.
great review. thanks for the heads up. I was about to buy one of these, think I'll go with the Mutant
Sept 2018. The next gen PSA 47 is coming out. We will see if they fix the issues. ......ok it's almost November and still not on website. Hope it's to address issues. But I doubt it. I got my info of September 2018 for new version form PSA customer service.
Overall, the only two things that I think that the Mutant has over the KS47 are the BCG and the and potentially the barrel quality. I like the idea of the wall that goes around the rim of the cartridge being thicker on the Mutant. Even the standard AR15 BCG for 5.56 uses a thicker wall on the bolt than the KS47. This probably won't mean much to your average shooter who goes out once a month at most, but for people who shoot very often and shoot alot when they do, the bolt itself will definitely wear out quicker because of that super thin wall, especially since 99% of people who shoot 7.62x39 buy steel case ammo. If PSA changed the design to accommodate a bolt with a thicker wall and had FN make CHF barrels for these, the Mutant would only be bought for the name at that point.
looks like the psa is a evolved special weapons AR-47.
Great side by side. thanks!
+2AGuysAndGear Thanks bro!
This was really interesting! Since you made this, PSA has come out with a gen 2 version.....Knowing what you have experienced....which do you think has better QC? which do you prefer? I bet they both shoot great! Thanks so much for these interesting and great reviews.
Doctor David
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I got my ks47 gen 2 on sale,the upper and lower together cost me 550 something with tax. It came with psa's elite trigger which is fantastic. It's extremely reliable,if you can get on sale it's undoubtedly better for the money. You also hear about issues with mutants on forums and TH-cam ect
This is going to become the new darling of AR Pistol / SBR Builders and once this concept really takes off i think you can pretty much wave goodbye to the .300 Blackout. Over 90% of its sales are in the 125gr Supersonic loading which is virtually identical to standard steel cased 7.62x39 milsurp which is 75% cheaper than brass cased .300 Blackout.
agreed . .300 blackout is a big waste of money. 7.63 x 39 way cheaper
I said this on a comment to someone who was stating the 300 blk would have 20% more energy at any range vs 39. when I asked how that can be if the 125 supers fly the same path as 122 grain standard fodder, I got nothing. in the real world it's not a big enough difference to brag on and doesn't do a job all that much better for my needs. subs: sure, they don't even make 39 subs. sbr: either works great. silenced?: again no subs for 39 so clear winner there. and I have one word for the 300blks godly so called massive energy dump "8m3."
I have the KS-47 and like it so far. I only had issues using Korean mags when I held on to them as the handguard got hot. The steel Korean magazine was loose on the sides and when I gripped the mag when firing, the bolt lug was binding with the feed lips, which was causing the failure to eject. I added some rail covers to remedy this hot handguard issue.
As far as the groups, they were the size of an orange with iron sights at 25 yards. I was using TulAmmo. I replaced the A2 muzzle with a Precision Armament M4-72 which helped with the recoil.
Good to hear, I am in the early stages of building a SBR version so I just want it to run right.
Still stuck between the two. $850 for the PSA, or $1100 for the Mutant? Definitely like the bolt face being beefier, but I like assembling my firearms, and saving a bit of money for mags and ammo that won't come with the PSA KS47. Thoughts?
Also, nice side-by-side. Thanks for the video!
Kaleb Johnson after playing around with the CMMG on another video, I realized that's the better option. I've been hearing too many horror stories about the KS47 and PSA's QC...
Good to know. I was wondering about PSA's QC. I bought an AR15 rifle kit, and it isn't the best, but it works. There were some things here and there, but overall, it functions. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks again!
The PSA But Also Get A Tool Craft Bolt They Have Lifetime Warranty
biggest issue is the bolt, I would not touch another AR15 pattern 762x39. I have 3 of the older superbolts that have lasted, Those bolts were a limited run and over built. The old colt bolts are ok. Most of these other bolts will not last. The Mutant will certainly last longer.
Thanks for the good info, I appreciate it. I am looking into getting the PSA KS-47 upper and lower. Well done.
Tool Craft Bolt
Just noticed that the cmmg dose NOT have a forward assist. I feel like the cmmg is over built with the 308 stuff. The only thing that looks weak on the psa seems to be the paper thin rim on the bolt. But having said that I've never seen one break. Just my opinion.
Yes, that paper thin milling job is what will lead to bolt failure. Normally the bolt lugs crack or break off, not good while defending yourself or your family. They took a BCG designed for a basically a
.22cal on steroids round and milled it out to accept a .30cal round. Just asking for trouble. The CMMG MK47 is based on the AR10 platform which is designed for a .30cal round. The .308. 7.62x51 is a high pressure .308 round measuring .311" od. So, the 7.62x39mm is a short case .30cal round. The pressures are still higher than the 5.56/.223... Thus the heavier/ stronger components, i.e. The BCG, the upper, lower, barrel, buffer & buffer spring. This makes it safer, more reliable, lower recoil, more accurate rifle. That's what we all want. In my opinion the CMMG MK47 is a no brainer, clearly the better rifle. I've shot both. I own the CMMG...
+fsteddie95 well said
Perfect example of knowledge and facts not C.O.D stats and opinions. I owned the PSA PA-10 and it was nothing less than a nightmare total LEMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
fsteddie95 I get mine on Friday I know I'm years late but how is it holding up slugga k1 would like to know
Great video. Thanks.
Awesome video. Keep up the great work!!! I've been following you vids for a while now.
Being an FFL holder I have had the advantage of being able to run both firearms and have put in excess of 500 rounds through both without issue so far. I prefer a high end AK to these "mutant" type rifles but with the exception of PSA's HORRID customer service personnel I can find NO reason to pay almost twice as much for the CMMG product. With both rifles I installed upgraded triggers with about a 3lb pull and with both rifles with the trigger upgrade I could manage MOA groups at 100 yards.
What I CANNOT stand about either rifle is the AR direct impingement system of operation and the anal need of cleaning and running the damned firearms "wet". With an AK you just load, aim and fire and unless you ran through a 500 round box of ammo its up to you to immediately clean and lube the gun before firing it again. With these mutants or any other rifle that utilizes any form of the Stoner design you either keep the firearm spotlessly clean and VERY lubed or you can count on FTF's. That is why the various AR15 designs have been so problematic in EVERY war scenario they have ever been used in from the jungles of Southeast Asia to the desert conditions of the Middle East..........always problems and the makers always trying improvement and upgrade after improvement and upgrade to try to finally get what is now a very old design to work reliably in the field. Why do field commanders in just about every theater of operation always allowed their troops to use enemy captured small arms? Because the Eugene Stoner design and the anemic round it fires is simply not suited for combat after some 50 years of constant upgrade attempts.
I do enjoy shooting these Mutant type rifles and I enjoy shooting AR platform rifles but I would NEVER grab one to get me through a SHTF scenario if I ever had an AK47 laying around instead. Fun guns but long proven a failure in combat. I still don't understand why the military ever designed a firearm that shot maybe the third best prairie dog shooting round instead of designing a gun that shoots a round that will do more than punch a .22 hole through a bad guy. Hell, they shoulda used the .220 SWIFT if they were going to field a varmint rifle for a combat gun.
There are countless bad guys laying dead overseas with .22 size dots in their abdomens, it's what you don't see with your eyes (internally) that's the killer, same goes for 5.45x39. It's the sheer velocity of the round that kills you (it obliterates your internal organs), and not the diameter of the bullet. This caliber is battle proven in hundreds of conflicts world wide, I don't think that's arguable. BUT I respect your opinion, you have your likes and dislikes and I totally understand.
i would like to see a fn fal in 7.62x39
But takes Ak mags 🥵
PTR 32 is what you’re asking for
The PSA uses an AR15 BCG and is weaker than the CMMG uses an AR 10.308 BCG which is meant to handle the the higher pressures of the 30cal. Round. There are breakage issues with a 5.56mm bolt milled out to accept the 30cal case. Go ahead and get the weaker PSA 7.62x39 AR15 style rifle. My life just may depend on the strength and reliability of the choice of go to rifle I choose. So, I chose the AR10 platform CMMG MK47 Mutant. Awesome rifle, No malfunctions, no wear after 200rounds....
Thanks for the comment the advantage of the bigger bolt was noted in the video. I think any decent gun can stand up to 200 rounds, let me know how things are around the 2k Mark.
Great comparison video. Really nice job pointing out the details just wish to have seen some live fire but great job none the less. Thanks.
+Ricky Santana Oh, I really wanted to shoot these guns, but they were up for sale so I need to look else where for someones gun to T&E...lol. Still was nice having both in front of me... Thanks for checking out the video!
The LARGEST DIFFERENCE IN THR BCG is the bottom. The bottom of the PSA BCG allows for AK mags to be seated in the magwell and not hit the bottom of thr bcg. If it was a standard BCG than it would butt up against it.
Great video. One other thing I noticed but is not all that important is the PSA has forward asst.
+glockerbob I missed that one. Thanks for pointing it out!
+glockerbob True, th good ole forward assist, sometimes overlooked but good to have in a pinch!
PSA is one great company but man, it sure is hard to beat that BCG the CMMG has. I would like to see the 7.62X39 round try to wear down that monster BCG that comes with the CMMG "Mutant". I just wish that CMMG wasn't so damned "proud" of their rifles as they sure are pricey in comparison to the PSA offering.
+Dennis Matt True, MK47 is beefy..........Make sure you sub, should be getting a Mutant in here soon for a shooting comparison video. So there is some good content coming soon.
how many rounds do you have through them? and do you plan on doing an update video at like 1k rounds? I'd love to see an update after being shot.
working on that as we speak!
great video
Thanks!
Very nice comparison
Just keep a spare bolt for the ar15 bcg in the Palmetto. Mine hasn't given me a problem but it seems thin at the lugs.
I think mutant is the scale down version of CMMG's MK3 rifle
Since I bought this rifle the BCG hangs up stripping the top round into the chamber. Serious pain in the ass.
I don't have experience with AKs but I'm think an AK BCG has more mass?
Is the AR BCG lighter and therefore have trouble stripping the rounds from fully loaded mags?
I've even downloaded to 20rds. Same trouble.
I've used Pmags, gen2 and gen 3, korean steel, Polish mags, and a Hungarian steel. Same problem.
My understanding is that mags can make or break the AK in so far as reliability goes. I can't find the winning combination here. I'm into over $200 in magazines so far on my search. I'm considering cutting my losses and buying an AK to go with all these mags ;)
Now this review post isn't meant to be and internet keyboard jam job. There is much I like about this rifle. It groups great! This fitment is very good. The thin barrel and balance with a full mag is great as well.
I just want more reliability!
One of the sellig points stated is the gun is based on an AR15 upper unlike the CMMG rifle's AR10 upper.
I also have no hands on experience with the CMMG mutant but I'm guessing the bulkier AR10 upper has a correspondingly more massive BCG. Does that extra mass aid in stripping rounds from the magazine during cycling?
Would the KS47 benefit from a heavier recoil spring? I know you can only go so heavy on a recoil spring before you start causing other problems.
Just a thought.
Again, I'm truly not hating. I love the design, the build, and the feel of this rifle. I'm just struggling to keep it running!
This is a known problem (at least people are starting to report similar issues), it seems that the BCG hangs up on the magazines. This is exaggerated if you rest the gun on the mag while firing or hold the mag while firing. At this time PSA is trying to down play the issue. I say give them a call, seems that their BCG needs a re-design.
+556 Channel (HD) Thanks buddy. I hope to see this sorted out. I really like the rifle/concept.
I have an email into PSA. We'll see where it goes.
Redryder79 there is a video on TH-cam that explains the magazine problems with the CMMG Mutant. It also gives you a couple of very simple mods to increase reliability exponentially. I'm saving some money now for the CMMG. Once I saw the magazine mod video, I'm definitely getting one.
Since this post I gave up on the KS47. I traded it for a PSA AK 47. It runs great and is fun to shoot.
Great Vid comparison, I have the Mutant with the Giselle Trigger and I'll have to say putting about 4K rounds thru it without cleaning it recently, it is a beast and with the bigger BCG puts a safe and reliable upgrade to the rifle. Tho I haven't shot the PSA so can't say one is better. I would definitely depend my life with the mutant. Make a shooting vid :)
+Johnny Blaze Thanks for the comment, I really need to get these two out on the range. I am still torn between which one I want. The CMMG mutant just sells piece of mind, and the PSA gun sells ease of parts interchangeability and user friendliness....
I've been looking for a side by side. Good video
I like the looks of the CMMG
so one would need the KS-47 lower, upper, and BCG to able to use AK mags
+DFWWARPIGS Alright, I have been following a thread on ARFCOM where they state that their BCG is a hybrid and works in their AR47 and Their KS47. This leads me to believe that other BCGs will work, not absolutely sure yet. I will check again, I took the first video down after your comment. I realized that I didn't add the BCG info, which is now in the video. So I do owe you a big thanks for your questions.
+DFWWARPIGS I should add that when Palmetto State originally announced this gun they gave the impression that everything was "milspec" except for the lower. Now everything is a hybrid or dedicated to this particular gun. It's pretty confusing so bear with me I will get answers for both me and you!
+556 Channel (HD) thanks a bunch ..I want this gun but it is going to be a build so I can SBR it before 41p goes into effect
DFWWARPIGS We are in the same boat, I just read they will be coming out with complete short barreled uppers and the complete and stripped lowers should be here shortly. Put your email down on the in stock notification tab on the lowers asap.
+556 Channel (HD) Hmm... I don't see any difference between a Mil-Spec BCG and theirs... Might need to test the theory. Otherwise, besides it and the lower mag well, everything is Mil-Spec!
if only a piston version was in development.. cheap milsurp is not often clean, and DI guns are dirty with any ammo..
SIG556xi Russian. Not exactly an AR, but similar controls. Piston operated. AK mag compatible.
+DarkHound420 yeah I have looked at those they are a long stroke ar upper, I would love to try one though
they do. it's called an ak 47....hahahahaha. smart assery aside, like dodd rivers said, sig 556xi or ptr 32. or the galil ace.
+malleymyster not a fan of ak ergonomics.. and the ace is half plastic, ptr maybe, sig worries me with some of the feeding issues
true dat, true dat. but the whole point behind DI is that you get that smooth cycling, accuracy and low sight/bore axis. not saying it's better, but it is what it is from an engineering standpoint. im sorry you're not an ak fan, but if you are looking for the ultimate go-to-war system im forced to echo what you're bound to hear on the subject and insist on an ak.
The mutant doesn't have a forward assist on it that's the downside of it it's a shame you don't do a piston drive like an FL rifle
Richard Martin I've never used a foward assist, so I didn't miss it.
5-4-16 ..I checked my email and there was a mass email showing the KS47 for sale ...I got two of them...an hour later after the email came out they sold out...WOW...I got lucky never received the "notification" email
+DFWWARPIGS I got the email (KS47 stripped lowers), they were available for about 2 hours. I missed them, texted my dealer and they did move quick enough.. Hope the next batch becomes available soon. I'm pissed!
+556 Channel (HD) The ks47 lowers do not work with standard ar15 uppers like Adam from PSA said in every damn video he put out about it. He even knocked on cmmg for using proprietary parts, and yet they do this.
+JustAnotherGunGuy yeah kinda disappointed about this! There biggest selling point was a lie!
+556 Channel (HD) I'm really disappointed. haha. My idea was the ks47 lower and a side charging upper. That idea is gone. Why even sell the stripped lower's in the first place.
+JustAnotherGunGuy I intended to mate their lower with the PWS Diablo to get a super cool/reliable piston AR47 gun.
both are for gunsmiths. dont expect reliability out of the box or as advertised...
wonder if you can put the cmmg upper on the psa lower, if not, is it possible to machine one of them to fit each other :D
I wish the Mutant came with a more traditional forearm instead if that horrid full length keymod thingy
you can swap them out with any DPMS patterned AR10 rails.
Fair enough, I wasn't aware
Yeah mines an mlok rail pattern
The AK round & direct gas impingement seems like they shouldn't be together. If they'd gas piston those things, they could be something....! Anyway, great video!
You could convert it by changing the gas key and block.
CMMG Mutant all the way only because it uses a modified AR10 bcg group, which is less likely to fail. If I'd have to get an AR chambered in 7.62x39, I'd want it to last as long as possible.
Lion Celica a lot of time has passed, the Mutant is clearly the better executed design
@@556ChannelHD I did not realize how old this video was. So the CMMG Mutant is the better of the two then. What about compared to the M10X and other competitors?
It looks like PSA reverse engineered the CMMG and it's close to a copy I'd like to see how the PSA actually shoots and if PSA actually fix the magazine feed issues that plague the CMMG MK 47??
fsteddie95 Sadly there's been a lot of issues with PSA gun.....
@@556ChannelHD The Gen 2 solved that.
are either of the two rifles compatible with standard ar 15 hand guards
FeAr_Cola the KS47 does & and the Mutant takes AR10 handguards.
Need to make one in the 6.5MM GRENDEL WITH A HEAVY Stainless steel Straight fluted 20"barrel and still use the AK47 mags
The HUGE difference is price. one is around 600 the other 1500 retail for a firearm that's not very different mechanically (except the bcg).
iron poopie but after the initial release the gen 1 PSA KS47 proved you get what you pay for. These things were popping up every where with major issues that were design related.
You can find used Mutants under $1000 locally.
Comparing to your run of the mill 16" AK, is the accuracy better now that cartridge is being shot out of an AR structure?
+Uniform Tango 74 I would say yes it's more accurate based on the design of the AR15. The barrel is free floated compared to AK barrels which allow the handguard and the retainer to make contact with the barrel which screws with it's natural harmonics.
Sounds good. I'm actually really interested in one of those KS47s. Price tag though is what's holding me back. Thanks for the feedback 556. I subbed ya since you seem like you're one of the smaller gun guys here on youtube like me.
Uniform Tango 74 got you subbed too, seems like people only sub the big guys with huge followings. Anyway you can save some money by buying the Upper/Lower kit and picking up a stripped lower when they become available again. You save about $180 doing it that way.
Uniform Tango 74 Here's a video you should enjoy: th-cam.com/video/4B92QUQE-Po/w-d-xo.html
I own both and I have to say my KS 47 is more reliable than my CMMG
What gen KS47?
TWB TWB can you elaborate?
Gen 2 psa
Great video thanks
+jose Moreno Thanks, make sure you sub. I am supposed to get a MK47 here in a few days to start testing for a comparison shooting video...
+556 Channel (HD) way head of you on subcribe. .upload wen u get it and film shooting
+jose Moreno Will do, thanks!
I would love to use that lower for a 50 Beowulf upper
Great comparison, thanks!
how bout a cmmg in 6.5 grendel ? that would be the shit. fatter bolt makes it doable.
When they make one of those things with a last shot hold open and a bolt catch then I'll get one. Furthermore, that price on the CMMG Mutant has to come way down because it is just a DI gun not even a piston like an AK47. Still a long way to go for ME to want to purchase one. Give me a last shot hold open bolt lock and a piston and I'd buy either one at the present prices.
last round bolt hold open is dependant on the magazine. the majority of AK mags are not designed with one. it's the mag not the gun! There are a few rare mags that have this feature, and they will lock open on the last round.....
I have found a source just a few moments ago for followers on the mags that hold it open on the last shot. Thanks! Now what I need is a bolt catch and then I'd buy the KS-47 and not the Mutant. CMMG is real proud of that and charge a lot for that weapon. I'm sure, its made well, I just don't think a DI gun should ever be more than about $800.00 And there are some real nice DI AR's under that price. Lastly, if Adams Arms makes a piston conversion for it, I could go that route as well.
was this the gen 1 or gen 2 KS47?
Skidz1818 the video is from 2016
This video is misleading, the PSA is inferior, there is a reason they beefed up the bolt on the CMMG Mutant.
CMMG chose to beef up their BCG, it's not mandatory. There are tons of AR74 rifles out there with standard BCG and they're running fine. Doesn't make one inferior, just different approaches.
+Shootsmith Unnecessary, really, as the 5.56 is a higher pressured cartridge than the 7.62x39. That bolt should be just fine.
can you give me some examples of non "beefed up" 7.62x39 bolts having problems?
iDreamOfWeenie There has been reports of bolts breaking in half at the lugs etc. This is not necessarily isolated to just 7.62x39 though.
+iDreamOfWeenie www.google.com/search?q=ar15+7.62+bolt+broken&tbm=isch
I have both KS-47 is much more reliable hands down not one malfunction over 1000 rounds no cleaning yet on purpose. Cmmg I’ve had problem after problem I even sent it back to them they said they fixed it oh and that’s the second time it was sent back I will say it’s much better but it still is super picky with different mags and still jams all over he time probably once ever 50 rounds. A friend of mines also has one same issue I’ll take my KS-47 any day
What Gen PSA? Check out my Mutant video too.
For the price of the mutant u night as well get a galil ace,
Dad Dun good point!! The ACE seems to be the better product between the two.
cmmg ar47 with 1 mag $1,849
psa ar47 with 10 mags $790
lol I know who's the winner here..psa has the ar47 rifle kit with 10mags for $599..thats everything except the lower
lol, do some research. The PSA gun is having a bunch of issues that haven't been sorted out. cheaper isn't always better.
seems like not a bad buy..ive been reading up for the past 3 months on this rifle and all seems good..i own a bunch of hi dollar rifles and a lot of psa stuff,never really had to many problems with psa other than a PA10 that turned out to be a lemon..after sending it off to them they replaced parts and sent it back,I have about 1200 rounds thru it with no issues
I would deff choose the cmmg but the funds are low to spend so much that only be a pinker
Not talking about PSA on the whole, just the KS47 seems to have a few issues.
@@556ChannelHD I've just checked and maybe at the time but it has got good reviews. The mutant actually the lemon. Time tells all.
Would the mutant upper run on the KS47 lower?
No they are not compatible. The Mutant is based on an AR10 design.
My pick will be the CMMG Muttant !!!
No way bro. Cmmg all the way. Spend the extra dollars on cmmg. In fact, go all the way and get the cmmg aks8 with a specwar 762.
I wish they sold the lowers separately, I probably would've form1 that before July...... CMMG is the better product...
Are the lowers interchangeable with the uppers ?
F861 no, two different proprietary systems
Will that cmmg upper work on that psa lower?
Goku Norris nope
cmmg won't suffer from sheared lugs. a mutant in 6.5 grendel would be outstanding.
It probably wouldn't be a "Mutant" since that term really just distinguishes the use a AK mags...
+556 Channel (HD) you're right. it would be a monster. get it? grendel.......
+Rooster A lol, I got it!
Well the cmmg upper work on the PSA lower?
no
Too bad PSA didn;t use an enlarged bolt head.
PSA BCG breaks after awhile from what I have been hearing.
Hey man are you at work ? Good video. Thanks. I'm liking the PSA but I don't know. I have AKs and ARs that I can trust my life with. I'd like to see someone put some serious rounds through the PSA before I buy one. Then again maybe I'll buy one and burn the powder myself
No, I don't work there. Its my local gun shop, they had both, rifles on the wall so I figured I would do a quick comparison. Either way I wouldn't rush to make this my go-to rifle so fast. It definitely needs some time and a few thousand rounds through it. Maybe in a year we will be able to see if this is a real contender.
No, I don't work there. Its my local gun shop, they had both, rifles on the wall so I figured I would do a quick comparison. Either way I wouldn't rush to make this my go-to rifle so fast. It definitely needs some time and a few thousand rounds through it. Maybe in a year we will be able to see if this is a real contender.
cmmg all day. better quality
Love em both.....but a review without firing??? really?
No review, side by side comparison.
I do have a Mutant video out now, check it out.
The internals are no where near similar. Cmmg used a 308 type bcg. Psa mills out a 556 bcg. Meaning the psa will break way before the cmmg as far as rd count goes. Horrible review.
No one said the internals were similar
+daddydubbs I really don't think you watched more than 1 minute of this video. I actually put both carriers together and specifically mention that the CMMG's carrier is beefier and has larger lugs etc.......
looks like im getting a mutant, thicker lugs.. thanks for the side by side.
No problem! Glad to be of assistance.
CMMG ALL DAY
PSA is Better Value By Far, Get A PSA And A Tool Craft Bolt, The TC Bolts Have A Lifetime Warranty No Questions Asked... just try blow one up
Jallen this gun doesn’t use a standard 762x39 bolt it’s proprietary
I Know, Only The Psa Would Need A Tool Craft Bolt Just In Case
I like windham weaponry 7.62x39 upper for standard m4 platform. C products 20 round clip they work flawless. Much better most likely than psa mutant rifle. And the upper cost what a mutant rifle cost. They are accurate, morso than psa equipment. And better built. You get what you pay for. Hopefully windham will come out with 6.5 grendel soon.
I hear ya. I feel I wasted a lot of money before I was able to form 4 SBRs and suppressors. Check out my videos on woknded fan. The funnest sbr is my cmmg mk9 and my 5" ar45
I have a similar 9mm SBR, I went with a dedicated lower though..
No forward assist on CMMG ... 👎🏼
3Gunner that’s a non issue these days... a lot of companies are moving away from forward assist anyway, I’ve never used mine lol.
556 Channel (HD) Well I’d disagree for the simple fact most people will be using very cheap ammo in the 7.62x39 and that cheap ammo does run dirty , Ive actually used mine many (MK18&Socom) times in a few of mine just because I like to run it dirty . Wolf ammo is cheap but damn it’s filthy
This was a great video right up until you thought the PSA was better than the CMMG lmao. The beefier bolt of the CMMG way way outshines any rail changes you want to make to the PSA!!! Function over form everyday of the week my man. The 7.62 bolts on the ar15 carriers fail all the time because of how thin the walls are. If they used the same carrier and bolt than it would be a toss up. But that one thing will make a hell of a difference in reliability and durability over time. CMMG using an ar10 carrier and a very beefy bolt makes it a clear winner even if their customer service and availability is nonexistent right now lol
I thought that the PSA was better for very specific reasons, none of them being the points you highlighted (bolt carrier etc.). My main gripe with CMMG’s offering (5+ years ago) was it’s proprietary parts and not being able to buy/build a mutant (at the time). On the other hand, PSA sold lowers,uppers, and BCGs separately. That was my reasoning, nothing to do with function or reliability since I wasn’t afforded the opportunity to shoot the guns.
@@556ChannelHD I can totally agree with that, cmmg has absolutely abysmal wait times right now on getting products out and their customer service isn't much better. I almost felt bad defending cmmg with the way they are right now lol.
PSA fix the problem unlike cnmg
fomocore it appears that PSA fixed it, but I haven’t seen any videos of the gen2 guns running yet.
WINDHAM WEAPONRY IS THE BEST. [ AR 47 ]
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