The difference is our Taxpayer money is being funneled into this nonsense.. Jerry Browns Crazy Train... They lied to us from the start saying it was suppose to cost $34 billion & completed in 2021... To date only 1 mile in the middle of nowhere has been built & they want 100 billion more...
Every public works project, even high speed rail, should be subject to risk-benefit analysis. The project made sense at $33 billion. But does it make sense at $128 billion? What about $1 trillion?
As a native Californian now living in Europe I can tell you one thing: its hard to describe how transformative high speed rail has been for France (TGV), Spain (AVE) and Germany (ICE). It’s a long term investment but once complete, the positive effects are MASSIVE
Why not promote the project instead of spin it as negative.. the costs are pretty on par in regards to land acquisition, current usa construction costs, utility relocation, etc No one bats an eye when a freeway widening project is 10 billion but an actually helpful HSR is the problem I guess😒
Completely a waste of money. Politicians are getting rich and the corporations that are building it. This will never be completed. It’s only a cash cow for the wealthy.
@@TheDrumLife2 Basically everyone, imagine a regular person working in LA or SF, instead of paying outrages rent, the person could simply live in the central valley and ride the train to work in major cities. CV is a less that desirable place to live now, but once the train is completed, people will move there due to cheap housing and living expense, which in turn boost local economy for CV cities.
@@ImpossiblyBlack because they have been talking about this since the 1970s people. Got it voter approved in 2008 with completion in 2020. Now we get a third at 100 billion dollars over budget. And no realistic expectations of when it might get done. This is a long money grab. People are getting rich off of this scam.
@@tonyhou4534 But that is not what will happen in real life. People want to live in the big cities because of the attractions and lifestyles. What you really mean is that you will be hoping that OTHER people move out so you can have a cheaper and less crowded city, but those other people will be hoping that YOU move out for the same reasons. None of you will actually move - not in significant numbers anyway.
Just throwing accusations out there doesn't make it right, bud. This project wasn't going to be cheap. People are going to make money off of this. Delays? What a surprise! Way overbudget? Likely! Just shut up and keep voting for all those future bonds and measures to keep funding this project.
Talk about the bureaucratic boondoggle that is our highway system. California blows $600,000 per MILE of our hard-earned taxpayer dollars on maintaining highways every YEAR. We spend BILLIONS on widening freeways and BILLIONS on a police force just for those highways. For what exactly? The freedom, the absolute privilege of sitting in soul-crushing gridlock plus the cost of gas, registration, insurance, and maintenance. Think of all the lost economic opportunities, moments between families, and all the lost lives. 3,000 die every year on California highways. No one bats an eye. Say this project will be completed-because it will be. We, the people, voted for it and paid for it. We deserve better.
This project did have a rough start, mostly due to factors outside its control, but things have gotten much smoother in recent years, with a clear path forward to getting revenue trains running in the Central Valley by 2030-33, though the lingering skepticism resulting from those early years remains to an extent, especially online with all the mis/disinformation that persists and cynics and trolls continue to spread, even though virtually all they’re saying has either long been debunked or was never true to begin with.
@@UntowardVisions highways are everywhere and connect everything. This train only connects points and once you get off, good luck. Walk or Uber. Yeah, it will fail for commuters. I'm sure tourists will love it.
One thing; you said the people VOTED & PAID FOR this project. You VOTED for a 7B HSR with 2020 completion. It is now a 200-500 billion dollar project with 2050 completion date. If you believe in this project, cough up the additional 200K per person in your state to finish this.
how much of the delay is because politicians don't allocate the funds to move forward. how do people expect the original timeline to be kept if the money has been delayed so many times.
Exactly. It's a joke how KTLA 5 is super whiny over this project, and then the Brightline west project is all positive. Now that's not to say I'm not supportive of Brightline, but it's just super interesting how they manage to be negative for one project, but not the other.
Every public works project, even high speed rail, should be subject to risk-benefit analysis. The project made sense at $33 billion. But does it make sense at $128 billion? What about $1 trillion?
I’d say so. They are sending 95 billion to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. Can’t even keep up with all the aid packages these po lie trick cians are sending over seas
"how do people expect the original timeline to be kept if the money has been delayed". The money has NOT been delayed - it was never there in the first place. The plan sold to the people was that one quarter would be put up by government and three quarters would be financed by private investment. In practice, private financing was never going to happen, because this project is just a sinkhole that will lose money every year it operates. The state lied to the people (or were incompetent) and they began building this thing with no idea how it can be financed. How Californians voted for this is beyond me. Voters should have demanded that the funding be in place BEFORE it was taken to the people.
KTLA got lazy in reporting on this project or some news manager over there has an underlying agenda against the CAHSR. Saying the priject is over budget is not true. Same is true regarding the completion date. If you look at the original documents it doesn't stipulate an overall price or completion date for the project. The ongoing reports regarding completion dates and funding levels are best guess estimates. The project isn't in debt to say it's over budget. And the operational date is also a moving target based on many things. It's also a moving target as it always is on generational infrastructure projects that take decades to plan, design, build, and operate. That's always been the case throughout history. And they are misleading the public when they put the price tag as $128 billion. That's the very high-end ESTIMATE! That number comes from a report that actually gives a range from $88 to $128 billiin. That's very different from just plastering $128 billion on the screen and the voice over says, "up to $128 billion." Why not say the complete truth? Say instead, "from $88 to as high as $128 billion." That's accurate reporting without bias.
It will deff end up costing over $128 billion, I'd be willing to bet you on that. You're obviously young and haven't seen how projects like this play out over the long term.
@@StaYUTI420That has to do with politics and federal funding, not issues within the CAHSR project. And the speed of funding awards affect final costs. It's not a physical construction limitation. If CAHSR had more funding NOW, they can start work around LA and SF including the LINK project at Union Station to get it ready for CAHSR. They could speed up the geological work for the tunneling to start the tunneling even sooner. It's about political will and bold leadership. Had that been the case from day one, the CAHSR from LA to SF would have been in operation by the 2028 Olympics. Republicans and conservatives in California have been putting up roadblocks from the start including trying, unsuccessfully, to kill the original proposition. And they keep at it even when they've been on the losing end over and over. They're still holding out of killing this project through a thousand small cuts since they couldn't do it in a single blow. I don't understand why Republicans and conservatives HATE PUBLIC TRANSIT. No one is taking their personal vehicles. What are they so afraid of? It's not about cost because Republicans and conservatives waste a lot of money on things like unnecessary defense spending or tax cuts for the very wealthy. It must be about simple ideology and fanatic dogma. It's pathetic and short-sighted because the country is worst for it. With all that being said, CAHSR will succeed spectacularly in spite of Republicans and conservatives , and we'll all be able to enjoy the travel benefits of HSR including Republicans and conservatives. You're welcome.
@@user-wj9bz8xi9uAgain, not over budget or delayed. Those figures have ALWAYS been ESTIMATES. Why? Because no one can predict the future of projects thst take decades to complete. In fact, in 2008 or 2015 when construction started, who could have predicted the Covid pandemic and the costs it inacted on societies around the world from killing millions to negatively affecting supply chains, inflation, and development projects around the world including CAHSR. That's just ONE example.
@@mrxman581 I really don’t understand that argument by people who think having HSR, or better transit in general, will somehow mean they’ll be forced to give up their car, as though we can only have one travel option. Like dude, no one is trying to take your car. Car culture is far too engrained in our society for that to happen, in the US and especially in California. What transit does, both within cities and between them, is give people more options. Having options are a good thing, cause it means those who have to drive can opt for transit, when it’s the better option (faster, more convenient, safe, etc.), resulting in less traffic for those who’ll choose to keep driving. It’s about having freedom of choice, having greater mobility, bringing cities and regions closer together and the economic opportunities that provides. Just as you have the freedom to drive, those who can’t or don’t want to drive should have the freedom to travel too, be it within a city or to other cities, on modes of travel that are faster than driving and, for intercity, more convenient than flying.
@@bngr_bngr Yes. There is. There has been for a while. Same for LA to Vegas. And just generally. There's 0 reason to not have high speed rails connecting the major cities of the US
It is difficult to construct this mega project when the land has to be purchased, litigated with every farmer. Of course the farmers want a great deal of money for their land. That is perfectly understandable. That is why this project is obviously taking longer than expected.
@gooser__43 Haaaa, ha,ha,haaaa Gooser!!! How you doing there buddy? Lol! I see you're still a person of negativity. That's ok. It's the American way which is why Americans just can't advance in achievements. But, hope you and your family is well. You have your self a great day..
I can see the construction work from my office building and the reason why it it’s taking so long to finish the project is because the workers are just standing around doing nothing most of the time.
Its so frustrating that media will only talk about problems with rail projects like this. But don't even bother to mention the millions of issues of interstate projects like I-69
So the media is ignoring I-69 for what reason? I'm confused. This was pitched in 2008 as $45b and completed by 2020. Do you know they're only showing train animations and no real footage of trains moving in 2024?
Southwest Airlines led an effort in Texas in the 1990s to kill a high speed rail project between Houston and Dallas, a big short haul market for them. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the were trying to lead a similar effort here, considering LA-SF is one of the busiest flight routes in the country, and Southwest is the biggest player in that market. Just look at what happened to travel patterns between other city pairs where HSR exists, like London-Paris, Madrid-Barcelona, and Milan-Rome. HSR has reduced the demand for flights on those routes by offering a faster, more convenient, and more comfortable option, for around the same price as airfare would be.
You have no idea, do you? Do you think the bullet train between Tokyo and Osaka replaced airlines? No, there are well over 100 flights a day between the two cities, because the train largely serves the cities BETWEEN the two endpoints, not the end points themselves. In France, the government had to ban short flights between cities served by trains. They had to ban them because passengers weren't migrating of their own accord. The only way people will use this HSR in numbers is if they are forced to. What a wonderful recommendation for a form of transport.
@@daleviker5884 I didn’t say all were replaced by HSR, and it doesn’t change the fact HSR offers a competitive alternative to flying that’s more convenient, as it gets you directly from city center to city center, runs more frequently, and offers a generally more pleasant ride experience. Also, France banned domestic short haul flights for journeys that trains could cover in under 2 1/2 hours, and did so to reduce carbon emissions in the country. High speed rail in Italy captured the domestic flight market there, killing Italy’s local airline Alitalia, as the train offers a better option for many. Now, that is just one example, and countries that have HSR also still have flights within them between those same cities, such as Tokyo-Osaka, just as they have plenty of people who drive. What HSR does is take some of that ridership, opening up space for those who’ll keep flying, or driving. It also increases mobility and connectivity between cities and regions. In the US our freeways and major airports are increasingly strained for capacity, including LAX and SFO, the 2nd busiest flight route in the country, and I-5 is one of the busiest freeways linking two of the most congested regions in the country, the Bay Area and LA Basin. Adding more lanes is proven to make traffic worse long term, because of induced demand, and airports have finite space to expand just as freeways do, not to mention the current pitfalls of those options, like traffic, parking, delays, and packed airports, would go away. A high speed train between LA and SF via the Central Valley cities allows those who are currently forced to drive or fly between them to opt for the train, easing pressure on those current modes and making things easier for those who’ll choose to continue to use them.
@@daleviker5884 I never said HSR replaced flights on all the routes where it exists, but that was the case for Italy’s airline Alitalia, and France banning domestic short haul flights was only for routes that trains could cover in under 2 1/2 hours, and that was to reduce carbon emissions in the country. For distances 100-600 miles apart, high speed rail is the fastest travel option when considering total downtown to downtown travel time, plus it offers more convenience, frequency and comfort than flying. To use your Tokyo-Osaka example of 100 flights per day, the Shinkansen runs up to 17 trains every hour, or for an 18-hour operating day over 300 trains per day, and over 130,000 per year. Over its nearly 60 year life so far it’s carried over six billion people without a single fatality. Try that statistic with roads or even flying. Sure people still fly that route, and even drive, just as they do between other cities linked by HSR. What HSR does is provide a competitive option that in turn makes life for those other options and those who’ll continue to use them easier, as it means fewer cars on the freeways and fewer people at airports.
Jones has no idea what he's talking about. Yes it's over budget , and yes it's taking forever, but when that day eventually arrives where we have those trains running from SF to LA, all the struggles will be forgotten. Stopping now would be an even larger waste of capital.
@@MrJuvefrankLOL! Given it will take a decade or so each consecutively for the three remaining tunnel sections plus finishing the valley section in up to 9 years, then 2064 is not an unrealistic, too far-fetched completion timeline. But not too worry Mr. Mid-lifer, by then many will live well past 100.
NIMBYs always hamper enrichment projects like this. They did this with the Golden Gate Bridge. Screamed and moaned about how it would destroy their properties and bring the wrong people to town, etc.... And now they praise it as a world landmark and an essential piece of transportation. If they'd just shut up and let things happen, this would have been completed already.
What a dumb news story. Immediately just attacks the project for no reason. Who is paying KTLA 5 to make this hit piece? Construction is going just fine if you actually pay attention to the construction process. You can even find videos of all the construction going on, on youtube! Are you making hit pieces for how much money we spend on highways that end up needing replacement right away?
what are the benefits of having a Merced to Bakersfield line? This is going to be a disaster, by the time they complete that section inflation will increase the cost by another few hundred billion dollars.
Getting the hang of building one of these on flat easy land before they attempt to get near the coastal mountains? The middle had to be done eventually.
@ttkn5056 1) it damages the environment 2) big government taking property from citizens 3) it has no economic usefulness 4) it will never replace planes 5) it's doomed to failure; just shut it down now; commence demolition; give the land back
The highway is in California. They’re full of potholes tearing up suspensions on cars and trucks. They’re spending the money on a track to nowhere 20 years from now will be done the leader ship in California and also the business people that’s involved with this they don’t have no experience at all. That’s my opinion I’m sticking with it.
How do you spend $ 11 BILLION on 1600 feet of construction? That's $ 6,875,000 per foot ... Where did all that money go? Start the audit, start the arrests.
You have to be very gullible to believe that 1600 feet cost $11 billion. To date 45 major structures have been completed with another 34 structures under construction and 57 miles of guideway have been completed. Total purchased parcels delivered to date - 2,262 parcels compared to an estimated 2,288 parcels needed. 🤣🤣
So they're building the high speed rail with express and local tracks! Most of the cost increases is due to projected inflation and increased land costs and court costs to acquire the right-of-way.
Anyone against this project is in the pocket of big oil and the motor vehicle industry. These two industries are the only ones who stand to lose a ton of money since people won't be making those 8 hour trips from LA to San Francisco. Lets go! build it...
These folks are still under the delusion that they can someday build a high-speed right of way through the Tehachapi and San Gabriel Mountains? F outta here. The current best rail path through the hills is the Cajon, and those trains MUST slow down to about 30mph on the descent. Granted, light passenger rail can go quicker, but high speed around mountain curves isn't a thing for trains. They are not Ferraris.
These people that say CALHSR is over budget and how it's stupid to fund it probably don't even question how much we spend on highway infrastructure. If more funds were directed to HSR it would have been completed sooner but political will always has to get in the way of good infrastructure projects.
Waste of tax payer money going no where. Who want to go to either city both are hell holes. That money would of fix homeless problem for good. What a waste. I voted no.
It should be a state priority. Public works project that can be a boom. This is our chance to transform the state. The Bakersfield to Merced line is the beginning, once complete people. I hope we can drum up enough support. This will open this state up to solve some of its housing issues. The Central Valley in California is often forgotten, but once people start using the rail line to get places, you'll see a migration of people into the Valley. Jobs will follow. It's all a positive growth. The ends will justify the means
CHSR is not "insanely overbudget." The $30 billion number that is often thrown around was never intended to finance the whole system from LA to the Bay area, even in 2008. It was basically starter money. It's frustrating that the project has taken so long, but it seems to finally have momentum. It would be nice if Republicans had something constructive to offer instead of their usual empty talking points about "government boondoggles." None of the places that have built HSR have regretted it. And it will be great for California.
Projects like this take around 20 years. The problem was politicians promised more than was possible. They were completely ignorant about what was involved.. The Interstate Highway system took 20 years to build. Look at the "Big Dig" in Boston.
Some 13 year old have done more research on trains than some politicians. The least they could do is ask people who know about passenger train railroads.
Actually the interstate Highway system as far as the main 2 digit freeways took over 30 years to build. The last segment of I-10 through Phoenix was not completed until this mid 80s.
Yeah the interstate system was supposed to be built in 10-12yrs, took over 30yrs and was only like 5x over budget...lots of people moaned about it then too...ended up being one of the best economic investments the country ever made...
Let the U.S. government take the $95 billion foreign aid package and use that money to finish this project in 3 years. Build it well and build it right. After seeing the benefits the rest of the U.S. will have a home grown example to follow. I think CAHSR is like how the Pennsylvania turnpike influenced the Interstate Highway system. This is one of the most important projects in U.S. history. I imagine engineers will find a way to let the track rise above blizzard conditions so train travel won't be impacted too much by weather. It would be cool to ride through Wyoming on a high speed train without worrying about wrecking on ice on Interstate 80.
I wish it would be built well and right, too. The dude who is building it likes to build what makes him rich more than anything else. That dude is doing this to us because he knows we just have to have that train set; it will take a good amount of traffic of the highways.
@@gooser__43 You don’t have a constitutional right to sue over CEQA. CEQA creates a statutory right to sue. You also don’t have a constitutional right to sabotage public services and or needed housing because you don’t like the idea of it being in your backyard.
The project would have been nearly completed had the contract gone to a reputable company which knows how to build HSR. Unfortunately, Tudor Perini got the contract with absolutely no experience building HSR because they were the lowest bidder. Plus, HSR was all about union jobs; Jerry Brown's salute to the unions. No companies from outside are allowed to work on it. Anytime the priority is about unions; nothing will get done.
The dudes who own the company who are building it are con-men. They say it can't be built any cheaper, and it was bull. the governmental boys never asked for a second opinion about price. Maybe those dudes who believe all that bull will prove you right.
Its slow because land owners has a big sway on thier lands ( which is ok ), expensive because said land owners wants bigger pay and it is one of the first attempts of the U.S to said technology with no help with experience men from abroad (american engineers are still learning the ropes). It takes long time and is expensive hell, but it is at least not the train weck as the forbidden interste highway that is still in progress after 30 years. Besides, Japan has the same problem in the past, but are we still hearing said hate?
You're wrong. Farmers want to keep their way of life; that's the foundation of of our Constitutional country. Agriculture is more valuable and important than a choo choo train.
There's too much red tape and nimby's. If the project get's cancelled now I don't think it will ever happen. The cost will increase a lot more and they may lose a lot of the right of way they already acquired. It is considered perfectly normal to build freeways first then allow development along it after it is built. But if someone builds a rail line first before development, it is called a train to nowhere and a waste of money? Freeways are huge money losers as they are expensive to maintain and dont pay rent, but nobody questions their usefulness, but rail MUST make a profit for it to make sense?
I came to the comments expecting a bunch of car-centric indoctrinated comments full of ignorance and idiocy… I’m pleasantly surprised to see that people comprehend that HSR is vital for the area, for the economy, and for transit in general. The price inflation is because of bureaucrats predominantly. This train needs building then we have to keep building in North America to stay with the times. Next the Dallas, Austin, San Antonio triway
Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Mexico, Russia, and all of South America have HSR? Interesting, cuz I thought it was a handful of European and Asian countries that only had it but what do I know 🤷🏻♂️
Should build one rail no need for two rails get one rail going the whole distance one tunnel one rail would get done quicker then go ahead with the other rail and the tunnels to go with it
They'll especially love the fact that there are no social programs affordable any more because a big chunk of the state's budget is dedicated to meeting the capital and operating costs of the world's most expensive mobile homeless shelter.
Instead of the 95 billion they are about to send to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan use that to finish much needed transportation for the ever growing population in California. I know they won’t do that, but I hope people see how many more billions they continue to send out in aid
"WOW! 1600 feet of high speed rail after 9 years and 11 billion dollars, it takes about 5 minutes to walk 1600 feet, so a high speed rail for that is a really big deal,”
We spend billions on freeways every year in CA - about 33B for Caltrans every year...this is 5yrs of freeway spending to effectively build a new statewide mass transit system...still an epic value when built... The problem is a lack of funding...we guarantee a 15yr 100B revenue source and this project can get built in that time or less... the uncertainty of money means the project takes longer to build - in construction time is your biggest "expense", as it makes everything else cost more...
Republicans need that train set because it will take a good amount of traffic off the freeways. Too bad the dude who is building it wants more money than he needs.
Considering how dilapidated our infrastructure is, we need to spend 10% of our gdp to dramatically improve it (Plumbing, electrical, Bridges, HSR, internet, etc)
@@davidjackson7281But you would have a functioning train, which the developers can point to when asking for funding the rest of the rail. You will have less hit pieces like this news segment we just watched.
BTW, another reason for building the 171 mile section first is because it will also serve as the testing track for the 220 mph trains. Currently, there is no place in the USA that is capable of testing trains at that speed and higher. The CAHSR will test the trains at 242 mph so they can run them at a top speed of 220 mph very safely. Start building in LA or SF wouldn't have given them that option.
In America, any work any project is about politics, get your hand on the pie first before you can start working, etc.. if this project is in China it would have been almost done by now
States are very different from each other in population. Everything in California including freeways is crowded because of over population. I think this train set is a good thing.
@@MrJuvefrank LOL ok spend every penny you make on it then cause that's train is never going to be finished, it's distance is already shortened due to the over budget, and time already. You build something in a timely and costly manner if you have to run around an pick bugs and move them first lol. Green wienies in reality slowed the building of this to a stop over a lizard or turtle lol. There's a song you remind of right now, it's called California dreaming, keep dreaming your great kids will one day be able to rid The Train To Nowhere lol.
@@melanie7781 Hi, there, I know a faster, easier, and less expensive way to get that train set built. The government should have known just because the builder said it would have a price tag as huge as what they said it would doesn't mean it can't be built for that much money.
Budget approved! project completed on time, the United States evolves and California is a Symbol of Development! It is an investment that improves the economy. 👏👏👏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I love it when people who fly on private jets say this train isn’t gonna do anything and needs to be stopped.
Nobody who drives on the freeways on Friday evenings will ever believe them.
WHAT Is private and way is it jetting
@@MrJuvefrankas this is not a commuter train, don't worry, you'll still be in traffic while people go on vacation using this train. 😂
@@cmdrls212 That's bad news.
The difference is our Taxpayer money is being funneled into this nonsense.. Jerry Browns Crazy Train... They lied to us from the start saying it was suppose to cost $34 billion & completed in 2021... To date only 1 mile in the middle of nowhere has been built & they want 100 billion more...
Keep building. America has no time to stop building the ways of the future.
Every public works project, even high speed rail, should be subject to risk-benefit analysis. The project made sense at $33 billion. But does it make sense at $128 billion? What about $1 trillion?
$100 billion of our California taxpayer money over budget.... $100 billion....
As a native Californian now living in Europe I can tell you one thing: its hard to describe how transformative high speed rail has been for France (TGV), Spain (AVE) and Germany (ICE). It’s a long term investment but once complete, the positive effects are MASSIVE
@@user-wj9bz8xi9u note that the Shinkansen was overbudget when it was first constructed
California will be bankrupt before this finishes
Why not promote the project instead of spin it as negative.. the costs are pretty on par in regards to land acquisition, current usa construction costs, utility relocation, etc
No one bats an eye when a freeway widening project is 10 billion but an actually helpful HSR is the problem I guess😒
Completely a waste of money. Politicians are getting rich and the corporations that are building it. This will never be completed. It’s only a cash cow for the wealthy.
@@TheDrumLife2 Basically everyone, imagine a regular person working in LA or SF, instead of paying outrages rent, the person could simply live in the central valley and ride the train to work in major cities. CV is a less that desirable place to live now, but once the train is completed, people will move there due to cheap housing and living expense, which in turn boost local economy for CV cities.
"Why not promote the project instead of spin it as negative" in other words, you want KTLA 5 to gaslight and propagandize the public.
@@ImpossiblyBlack because they have been talking about this since the 1970s people. Got it voter approved in 2008 with completion in 2020. Now we get a third at 100 billion dollars over budget. And no realistic expectations of when it might get done. This is a long money grab. People are getting rich off of this scam.
@@tonyhou4534 But that is not what will happen in real life. People want to live in the big cities because of the attractions and lifestyles. What you really mean is that you will be hoping that OTHER people move out so you can have a cheaper and less crowded city, but those other people will be hoping that YOU move out for the same reasons. None of you will actually move - not in significant numbers anyway.
It’s a changing date because of funding deficits in the past few years. We prioritize highway development over proper transit
Agreed
Highway development 😂 you mean millions upon millions to paint the streets green and call them bike lanes.
Our gas tax money should be going to repair our highways
Just throwing accusations out there doesn't make it right, bud. This project wasn't going to be cheap. People are going to make money off of this. Delays? What a surprise! Way overbudget? Likely! Just shut up and keep voting for all those future bonds and measures to keep funding this project.
The cost of everything went up after Trump's Bed-In.
Talk about the bureaucratic boondoggle that is our highway system. California blows $600,000 per MILE of our hard-earned taxpayer dollars on maintaining highways every YEAR. We spend BILLIONS on widening freeways and BILLIONS on a police force just for those highways. For what exactly? The freedom, the absolute privilege of sitting in soul-crushing gridlock plus the cost of gas, registration, insurance, and maintenance. Think of all the lost economic opportunities, moments between families, and all the lost lives. 3,000 die every year on California highways. No one bats an eye. Say this project will be completed-because it will be. We, the people, voted for it and paid for it. We deserve better.
This project did have a rough start, mostly due to factors outside its control, but things have gotten much smoother in recent years, with a clear path forward to getting revenue trains running in the Central Valley by 2030-33, though the lingering skepticism resulting from those early years remains to an extent, especially online with all the mis/disinformation that persists and cynics and trolls continue to spread, even though virtually all they’re saying has either long been debunked or was never true to begin with.
Seeing as how it is gas tax money and toll money, it is spent by its users. Unlike this train nobody rides but everyone pays
@@cmdrls212 Everyone uses the highways cause it's the only game in town. You really think when this is done that people aren't going to use it?
@@UntowardVisions highways are everywhere and connect everything. This train only connects points and once you get off, good luck. Walk or Uber. Yeah, it will fail for commuters. I'm sure tourists will love it.
One thing; you said the people VOTED & PAID FOR this project. You VOTED for a 7B HSR with 2020 completion. It is now a 200-500 billion dollar project with 2050 completion date. If you believe in this project, cough up the additional 200K per person in your state to finish this.
"No man ever went broke overestimating the ignorance of the American public." ~ P. T. Barnum
how much of the delay is because politicians don't allocate the funds to move forward. how do people expect the original timeline to be kept if the money has been delayed so many times.
Fr, no proper funding and than lawsuits
Exactly. It's a joke how KTLA 5 is super whiny over this project, and then the Brightline west project is all positive. Now that's not to say I'm not supportive of Brightline, but it's just super interesting how they manage to be negative for one project, but not the other.
Every public works project, even high speed rail, should be subject to risk-benefit analysis. The project made sense at $33 billion. But does it make sense at $128 billion? What about $1 trillion?
I’d say so. They are sending 95 billion to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. Can’t even keep up with all the aid packages these
po lie trick cians are sending over seas
"how do people expect the original timeline to be kept if the money has been delayed". The money has NOT been delayed - it was never there in the first place. The plan sold to the people was that one quarter would be put up by government and three quarters would be financed by private investment. In practice, private financing was never going to happen, because this project is just a sinkhole that will lose money every year it operates. The state lied to the people (or were incompetent) and they began building this thing with no idea how it can be financed. How Californians voted for this is beyond me. Voters should have demanded that the funding be in place BEFORE it was taken to the people.
KTLA got lazy in reporting on this project or some news manager over there has an underlying agenda against the CAHSR.
Saying the priject is over budget is not true. Same is true regarding the completion date. If you look at the original documents it doesn't stipulate an overall price or completion date for the project.
The ongoing reports regarding completion dates and funding levels are best guess estimates. The project isn't in debt to say it's over budget. And the operational date is also a moving target based on many things. It's also a moving target as it always is on generational infrastructure projects that take decades to plan, design, build, and operate. That's always been the case throughout history.
And they are misleading the public when they put the price tag as $128 billion. That's the very high-end ESTIMATE! That number comes from a report that actually gives a range from $88 to $128 billiin. That's very different from just plastering $128 billion on the screen and the voice over says, "up to $128 billion." Why not say the complete truth? Say instead, "from $88 to as high as $128 billion." That's accurate reporting without bias.
It will deff end up costing over $128 billion, I'd be willing to bet you on that. You're obviously young and haven't seen how projects like this play out over the long term.
Its way over budget and it has failed to be completed despite pushing the completion date back repeatedly
@@StaYUTI420That has to do with politics and federal funding, not issues within the CAHSR project.
And the speed of funding awards affect final costs. It's not a physical construction limitation. If CAHSR had more funding NOW, they can start work around LA and SF including the LINK project at Union Station to get it ready for CAHSR. They could speed up the geological work for the tunneling to start the tunneling even sooner.
It's about political will and bold leadership. Had that been the case from day one, the CAHSR from LA to SF would have been in operation by the 2028 Olympics.
Republicans and conservatives in California have been putting up roadblocks from the start including trying, unsuccessfully, to kill the original proposition. And they keep at it even when they've been on the losing end over and over. They're still holding out of killing this project through a thousand small cuts since they couldn't do it in a single blow. I don't understand why Republicans and conservatives HATE PUBLIC TRANSIT. No one is taking their personal vehicles. What are they so afraid of? It's not about cost because Republicans and conservatives waste a lot of money on things like unnecessary defense spending or tax cuts for the very wealthy. It must be about simple ideology and fanatic dogma. It's pathetic and short-sighted because the country is worst for it.
With all that being said, CAHSR will succeed spectacularly in spite of Republicans and conservatives , and we'll all be able to enjoy the travel benefits of HSR including Republicans and conservatives. You're welcome.
@@user-wj9bz8xi9uAgain, not over budget or delayed. Those figures have ALWAYS been ESTIMATES. Why? Because no one can predict the future of projects thst take decades to complete. In fact, in 2008 or 2015 when construction started, who could have predicted the Covid pandemic and the costs it inacted on societies around the world from killing millions to negatively affecting supply chains, inflation, and development projects around the world including CAHSR. That's just ONE example.
@@mrxman581 I really don’t understand that argument by people who think having HSR, or better transit in general, will somehow mean they’ll be forced to give up their car, as though we can only have one travel option.
Like dude, no one is trying to take your car. Car culture is far too engrained in our society for that to happen, in the US and especially in California. What transit does, both within cities and between them, is give people more options. Having options are a good thing, cause it means those who have to drive can opt for transit, when it’s the better option (faster, more convenient, safe, etc.), resulting in less traffic for those who’ll choose to keep driving.
It’s about having freedom of choice, having greater mobility, bringing cities and regions closer together and the economic opportunities that provides. Just as you have the freedom to drive, those who can’t or don’t want to drive should have the freedom to travel too, be it within a city or to other cities, on modes of travel that are faster than driving and, for intercity, more convenient than flying.
They should've hired a European Company to build it they know how to build Rail/Trains, the US does not
Yes, but can they handle California's buffoonery?
Is there demand for travel from LA to SF that we need to build high speed rail?
@@bngr_bngr Yes. There is. There has been for a while. Same for LA to Vegas. And just generally. There's 0 reason to not have high speed rails connecting the major cities of the US
Never was a question of how, Just a con to steal and that is working perfectly California’s government is world class at 💯
@@stansbornak8116 haha thats a good point
This project is the best infrastructure project since 30s or 20s
It is difficult to construct this mega project when the land has to be purchased, litigated with every farmer. Of course the farmers want a great deal of money for their land. That is perfectly understandable. That is why this project is obviously taking longer than expected.
Exactly. Because no one could possibly have expected the acquisition of hundreds of pieces of land to take more than a few weeks.
Difficult indeed to build but not impossible..
Farmers are more valuable than a choo choo train.
@gooser__43 Haaaa, ha,ha,haaaa Gooser!!! How you doing there buddy? Lol! I see you're still a person of negativity. That's ok. It's the American way which is why Americans just can't advance in achievements. But, hope you and your family is well. You have your self a great day..
@@carlsmith1118 you're in denial
I can see the construction work from my office building and the reason why it it’s taking so long to finish the project is because the workers are just standing around doing nothing most of the time.
Union jobs; Tony Soprano demands sit down jobs.
Its so frustrating that media will only talk about problems with rail projects like this. But don't even bother to mention the millions of issues of interstate projects like I-69
So the media is ignoring I-69 for what reason? I'm confused. This was pitched in 2008 as $45b and completed by 2020. Do you know they're only showing train animations and no real footage of trains moving in 2024?
@@daniell.6463 probably the automobile lobby. The thing was supposed to be done years ago and billions have been poured into it
This call to stop the HSR is brought to you by all Major Airlines carriers that will miss out on all inter-california travellers
Southwest Airlines led an effort in Texas in the 1990s to kill a high speed rail project between Houston and Dallas, a big short haul market for them. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the were trying to lead a similar effort here, considering LA-SF is one of the busiest flight routes in the country, and Southwest is the biggest player in that market.
Just look at what happened to travel patterns between other city pairs where HSR exists, like London-Paris, Madrid-Barcelona, and Milan-Rome. HSR has reduced the demand for flights on those routes by offering a faster, more convenient, and more comfortable option, for around the same price as airfare would be.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc well said, my man
You have no idea, do you? Do you think the bullet train between Tokyo and Osaka replaced airlines? No, there are well over 100 flights a day between the two cities, because the train largely serves the cities BETWEEN the two endpoints, not the end points themselves. In France, the government had to ban short flights between cities served by trains. They had to ban them because passengers weren't migrating of their own accord. The only way people will use this HSR in numbers is if they are forced to. What a wonderful recommendation for a form of transport.
@@daleviker5884 I didn’t say all were replaced by HSR, and it doesn’t change the fact HSR offers a competitive alternative to flying that’s more convenient, as it gets you directly from city center to city center, runs more frequently, and offers a generally more pleasant ride experience. Also, France banned domestic short haul flights for journeys that trains could cover in under 2 1/2 hours, and did so to reduce carbon emissions in the country.
High speed rail in Italy captured the domestic flight market there, killing Italy’s local airline Alitalia, as the train offers a better option for many. Now, that is just one example, and countries that have HSR also still have flights within them between those same cities, such as Tokyo-Osaka, just as they have plenty of people who drive. What HSR does is take some of that ridership, opening up space for those who’ll keep flying, or driving. It also increases mobility and connectivity between cities and regions.
In the US our freeways and major airports are increasingly strained for capacity, including LAX and SFO, the 2nd busiest flight route in the country, and I-5 is one of the busiest freeways linking two of the most congested regions in the country, the Bay Area and LA Basin. Adding more lanes is proven to make traffic worse long term, because of induced demand, and airports have finite space to expand just as freeways do, not to mention the current pitfalls of those options, like traffic, parking, delays, and packed airports, would go away. A high speed train between LA and SF via the Central Valley cities allows those who are currently forced to drive or fly between them to opt for the train, easing pressure on those current modes and making things easier for those who’ll choose to continue to use them.
@@daleviker5884 I never said HSR replaced flights on all the routes where it exists, but that was the case for Italy’s airline Alitalia, and France banning domestic short haul flights was only for routes that trains could cover in under 2 1/2 hours, and that was to reduce carbon emissions in the country.
For distances 100-600 miles apart, high speed rail is the fastest travel option when considering total downtown to downtown travel time, plus it offers more convenience, frequency and comfort than flying. To use your Tokyo-Osaka example of 100 flights per day, the Shinkansen runs up to 17 trains every hour, or for an 18-hour operating day over 300 trains per day, and over 130,000 per year. Over its nearly 60 year life so far it’s carried over six billion people without a single fatality. Try that statistic with roads or even flying.
Sure people still fly that route, and even drive, just as they do between other cities linked by HSR. What HSR does is provide a competitive option that in turn makes life for those other options and those who’ll continue to use them easier, as it means fewer cars on the freeways and fewer people at airports.
The reason it’s over budget is because farmers keep filing lawsuits. A handful of those people are screwing up mass transit for MILLIONS
Which might have been avoided had the HSR line been routed in the middle of Interstate 5 and Highway 99! 🫤
Farmers are more valuable than choo choo trains.
@@gooser__43 These choochoo trains result in economic booming. Just look at Japan. They will create so darn many jobs.
Jones has no idea what he's talking about. Yes it's over budget , and yes it's taking forever, but when that day eventually arrives where we have those trains running from SF to LA, all the struggles will be forgotten. Stopping now would be an even larger waste of capital.
That year may be 2064.
@@davidjackson7281In February of 2064, I'll be 90 years old.
@@MrJuvefrankLOL! Given it will take a decade or so each consecutively for the three remaining tunnel sections plus finishing the valley section in up to 9 years, then 2064 is not an unrealistic, too far-fetched completion timeline. But not too worry Mr. Mid-lifer, by then many will live well past 100.
@@davidjackson7281 I'll be in my early 40's it's alright 👍
California democrat money laundering fraud
just imagine how fast this would be done if it was a free way
Blatant corruption and nepotism at play here.
Imagine the voters of 2008 being told the project wouldn't be complete until 2034 lol
And ONLY between 2 Central Valley cities. Who knows when the SF and LA connections will happen, 2045? 2050?
I would say it’s still worth it. The alternative is flying (which everyone HATES)
"A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit."
Plant trees yes, but not create a bankrupting debt that their children's grandchildren will still have to repay
@@appleintosh
@appleintosh trees 🌳 ? High speed rail destroys orchards; puts your comment in perspective.
Price to ride and parking will probably be more expensive than to fly
Or drive
It will be finished in about 100 years.
Only 40 more years.
So never.
NIMBYs always hamper enrichment projects like this.
They did this with the Golden Gate Bridge. Screamed and moaned about how it would destroy their properties and bring the wrong people to town, etc....
And now they praise it as a world landmark and an essential piece of transportation.
If they'd just shut up and let things happen, this would have been completed already.
The Golden Gate Bridge solved a real world problem. This rail project doesn’t solve a problem it just has been created to spend federal funds.
@absynth909 i agree NIMBYS need to let these projects continue, thus they don’t really complain about freeways being built.
@@bngr_bngr Actually, this will be a great alternative to using your car or airplane to travel.
@@solenstyle they will never complete it.
@@bngr_bngr They will if voters continue to fund it. And it will be worth it to the California population.
This is just corruption
Can't wait for the planned railway line across the Indian Ocean.
What a dumb news story. Immediately just attacks the project for no reason. Who is paying KTLA 5 to make this hit piece?
Construction is going just fine if you actually pay attention to the construction process. You can even find videos of all the construction going on, on youtube! Are you making hit pieces for how much money we spend on highways that end up needing replacement right away?
what are the benefits of having a Merced to Bakersfield line? This is going to be a disaster, by the time they complete that section inflation will increase the cost by another few hundred billion dollars.
Getting the hang of building one of these on flat easy land before they attempt to get near the coastal mountains? The middle had to be done eventually.
I wonder how Californians will deal with the inevitable failure of high speed rail?
@@gooser__43 why are you so against HSR? or are you just a troll
@ttkn5056 1) it damages the environment 2) big government taking property from citizens 3) it has no economic usefulness 4) it will never replace planes 5) it's doomed to failure; just shut it down now; commence demolition; give the land back
@@ttkn5056 forgot, the massive fraud and corruption.
Again no one will be held accountable in government. What a joke.
The highway is in California. They’re full of potholes tearing up suspensions on cars and trucks. They’re spending the money on a track to nowhere 20 years from now will be done the leader ship in California and also the business people that’s involved with this they don’t have no experience at all. That’s my opinion I’m sticking with it.
And I agree with you and I'm sticking to it
How do you spend $ 11 BILLION on 1600 feet of construction?
That's $ 6,875,000 per foot ...
Where did all that money go?
Start the audit, start the arrests.
You have to be very gullible to believe that 1600 feet cost $11 billion. To date 45 major structures have been completed with another 34 structures under construction and 57 miles of guideway have been completed. Total purchased parcels delivered to date - 2,262 parcels compared to an estimated 2,288 parcels needed. 🤣🤣
So they're building the high speed rail with express and local tracks!
Most of the cost increases is due to projected inflation and increased land costs and court costs to acquire the right-of-way.
Anyone against this project is in the pocket of big oil and the motor vehicle industry.
These two industries are the only ones who stand to lose a ton of money since people won't be making those 8 hour trips from LA to San Francisco.
Lets go! build it...
These folks are still under the delusion that they can someday build a high-speed right of way through the Tehachapi and San Gabriel Mountains? F outta here. The current best rail path through the hills is the Cajon, and those trains MUST slow down to about 30mph on the descent. Granted, light passenger rail can go quicker, but high speed around mountain curves isn't a thing for trains. They are not Ferraris.
"4 lanes of track". Says a lot about the bias of car culture. Train tracks aren't "lanes". Come on.
These people that say CALHSR is over budget and how it's stupid to fund it probably don't even question how much we spend on highway infrastructure. If more funds were directed to HSR it would have been completed sooner but political will always has to get in the way of good infrastructure projects.
And it will remain a mystery.!
for at least 30 more years.
And it will remain a waste of time and money
Those who do not learn from history are DOOMED to repeat it.
Waste of tax payer money going no where. Who want to go to either city both are hell holes. That money would of fix homeless problem for good. What a waste. I voted no.
Funding California taxpayers leaving 🤣 a million illegal immigrants on welfare moving in. GET REAL..!!!
If Japan can do it, California can make it happen too. I believe.
Newsom can’t even get the criminals under control let alone something this complex
The connection will help ease traffic congestion of people leaving California?
Not really.
More people will be bused into the central Valley.
Lol
This will be used to move immigrants more easily from the border to the rest of California.
@@bngr_bngr And from the two main airports. SFO and LA
International.
A Theory, of course. 🤔
You need to visit Japan first before you compare it to California. Completely different
This train to nowhere is a joke now and a very bad expensive one on the taxpayers.
20 years late and 20 million over budget like BART? Naw, it going to waaaay bigger.
$100 billion over budget
Just go to Japan and see for yourself. You’ll understand why it’s reliable
It should be a state priority. Public works project that can be a boom. This is our chance to transform the state. The Bakersfield to Merced line is the beginning, once complete people. I hope we can drum up enough support. This will open this state up to solve some of its housing issues. The Central Valley in California is often forgotten, but once people start using the rail line to get places, you'll see a migration of people into the Valley. Jobs will follow. It's all a positive growth. The ends will justify the means
That’s just too long to build. We have to find ways to increase the speed at which we’re doing these kind of projects.
It's not on track at all. It may never get finished.
What's the mass psychological effect on Californians when they must confront this truth?
CHSR is not "insanely overbudget." The $30 billion number that is often thrown around was never intended to finance the whole system from LA to the Bay area, even in 2008. It was basically starter money. It's frustrating that the project has taken so long, but it seems to finally have momentum. It would be nice if Republicans had something constructive to offer instead of their usual empty talking points about "government boondoggles." None of the places that have built HSR have regretted it. And it will be great for California.
it's more than a project , it' an unfinished project
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why is it delayed?
larger investment into public transportaion will be necessary as vehicles will soon become too expensive to own for many
Projects like this take around 20 years. The problem was politicians promised more than was possible. They were completely ignorant about what was involved.. The Interstate Highway system took 20 years to build. Look at the "Big Dig" in Boston.
You’re not wrong. I think the main thing is being so over budget. Lots of kickbacks happening like endless environmental impact reports.
Some 13 year old have done more research on trains than some politicians. The least they could do is ask people who know about passenger train railroads.
Actually the interstate Highway system as far as the main 2 digit freeways took over 30 years to build. The last segment of I-10 through Phoenix was not completed until this mid 80s.
Yeah the interstate system was supposed to be built in 10-12yrs, took over 30yrs and was only like 5x over budget...lots of people moaned about it then too...ended up being one of the best economic investments the country ever made...
The original interstate program was also more that 41,000 miles long. This is less than 800. The incompetance here should be
criminal. @@esau93631
Let the U.S. government take the $95 billion foreign aid package and use that money to finish this project in 3 years. Build it well and build it right. After seeing the benefits the rest of the U.S. will have a home grown example to follow. I think CAHSR is like how the Pennsylvania turnpike influenced the Interstate Highway system. This is one of the most important projects in U.S. history. I imagine engineers will find a way to let the track rise above blizzard conditions so train travel won't be impacted too much by weather. It would be cool to ride through Wyoming on a high speed train without worrying about wrecking on ice on Interstate 80.
I wish it would be built well and right, too. The dude who is building it likes to build what makes him rich more than anything else. That dude is doing this to us because he knows we just have to have that train set; it will take a good amount of traffic of the highways.
It’s over budget because of lawsuits filed by NIMBYs. Get rid of the ability to sue.
You mean burn 🔥 the Constitution; Fahrenheit 451?
The lawsuits are by the same people who supported the hsr project
@@gooser__43 You don’t have a constitutional right to sue over CEQA. CEQA creates a statutory right to sue. You also don’t have a constitutional right to sabotage public services and or needed housing because you don’t like the idea of it being in your backyard.
@@phillipswain4942 the San Francisco Chronicle reported that the legislature in California started to consider scrapping hsr 🚈
The project would have been nearly completed had the contract gone to a reputable company which knows how to build HSR. Unfortunately, Tudor Perini got the contract with absolutely no experience building HSR because they were the lowest bidder. Plus, HSR was all about union jobs; Jerry Brown's salute to the unions. No companies from outside are allowed to work on it. Anytime the priority is about unions; nothing will get done.
Cut your losses and just stop this nonsense.
New York to Washington is the next route, after they make fun of California for making all the mistakes first.
Will never get completed
The dudes who own the company who are building it are con-men. They say it can't be built any cheaper, and it was bull. the governmental boys never asked for a second opinion about price. Maybe those dudes who believe all that bull will prove you right.
Its slow because land owners has a big sway on thier lands ( which is ok ), expensive because said land owners wants bigger pay and it is one of the first attempts of the U.S to said technology with no help with experience men from abroad (american engineers are still learning the ropes).
It takes long time and is expensive hell, but it is at least not the train weck as the forbidden interste highway that is still in progress after 30 years.
Besides, Japan has the same problem in the past, but are we still hearing said hate?
You're wrong. Farmers want to keep their way of life; that's the foundation of of our Constitutional country. Agriculture is more valuable and important than a choo choo train.
The negative slant on this story is absurd. Sinclair much?
i’ll be dead and this project will still be stalled
There's too much red tape and nimby's. If the project get's cancelled now I don't think it will ever happen. The cost will increase a lot more and they may lose a lot of the right of way they already acquired. It is considered perfectly normal to build freeways first then allow development along it after it is built. But if someone builds a rail line first before development, it is called a train to nowhere and a waste of money? Freeways are huge money losers as they are expensive to maintain and dont pay rent, but nobody questions their usefulness, but rail MUST make a profit for it to make sense?
They need to audit and see where all that money is going. This train will never make a profit just a money pit
The main reason it’s over budget is because of all the mountain ranges in the way of the CHSR route from LA SF
Cahsr should be sue how doesn’t project go over 100 million over budget it’s crazy not even half way done!!
I came to the comments expecting a bunch of car-centric indoctrinated comments full of ignorance and idiocy… I’m pleasantly surprised to see that people comprehend that HSR is vital for the area, for the economy, and for transit in general.
The price inflation is because of bureaucrats predominantly. This train needs building then we have to keep building in North America to stay with the times. Next the Dallas, Austin, San Antonio triway
Yes the Texas Triangle would be great. However, it would seem illogical that CAHSR "bureaucrats" directly caused inflation.
People forget that the first ever high speed rail line, the shinkansen, was also very overbudget and was criticized by many.
Just like the tagger towers in LA 🤣🤣🤣🤣
like them how?
@@Mac-po1sr an abandoned project left to rot
That is a sad tragedy of life. Seeing beautiful building be turn to ghetto graffiti apocalypse rundown buildings.
tagger tower like holywood sign
Those towers are owned by a Chinese company that went bankrupt and can’t afford to finish the project or even secure the building. Not similar at all.
This is how America was built, after the 1906 great Quake, who helped build all of the damaged roads and bridges and homes in 1907 to 1912
A quake that destroyed homes and a train to nowhere are two different things
An 8.0 could be coming soon, it's been 34 years since the 89.earthquake, seen movies of larger earthquake of 9.0 and it can destroy all of California
Just a sad sad state of affairs. Slow, neverending cost increases, and way too much policting doesn't get much accomplished. 😢😢
What an absolute waste of tax payer money
Yes and yeah of course California High-Speed Rail in California.😮
Let the Chinese built the highspeed rails, they will complete in 3 yrs.
"insanely over budget"? Editorializing much? Who wrote your script, Sinclair Media?
You don't think $128B v $33B is insanely over-budget? Who wrote your script, MSNBC?
4x the original estimate, what would be your adjective?
Keep building !!
It's about time. The United States is the only country without a super high-speed railway and that is pretty sad.
Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Mexico, Russia, and all of South America have HSR? Interesting, cuz I thought it was a handful of European and Asian countries that only had it but what do I know 🤷🏻♂️
Yes, this is sorely needed.
Homeless will camp on the train
Should build one rail no need for two rails get one rail going the whole distance one tunnel one rail would get done quicker then go ahead with the other rail and the tunnels to go with it
my grandkids are gonna love this
Great great grandkids. Maybe
They'll especially love the fact that there are no social programs affordable any more because a big chunk of the state's budget is dedicated to meeting the capital and operating costs of the world's most expensive mobile homeless shelter.
noo it'll be rickitty and slower then their space cars
Note: the part that they are trying to "complete" basically stretch between two State Prisons and not much else.
The amount of hate this project gets is insane. Most of it is jealously.
Jealous? The project doesn't even have the trains selected and its 16 years in. jealous of what?
Jealous? The project doesn't even have the trains selected and its 16 years in. jealous of what?
…and will continue to be a mystery until the day it is actually completed…
Instead of the 95 billion they are about to send to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan use that to finish much needed transportation for the ever growing population in California. I know they won’t do that, but I hope people see how many more billions they continue to send out in aid
Another classic boondoggle….
From cow town to cow town...
From skid row to skid row
We all know exactly where the money really went.
Gav's tab at the French Laundry.
"TRAIN TO NO WHERE"?
It's a challenge because US contractors don't know how to build HSR. It's the first.
But it will bring huge rewards to California and the US.
"WOW! 1600 feet of high speed rail after 9 years and 11 billion dollars, it takes about 5 minutes to walk 1600 feet, so a high speed rail for that is a really big deal,”
A train from nowhere to nowhere that no one will ride. Just great.
Honestly, I know these reporters are just doing their jobs; but this coverage is a hit piece!
We spend billions on freeways every year in CA - about 33B for Caltrans every year...this is 5yrs of freeway spending to effectively build a new statewide mass transit system...still an epic value when built...
The problem is a lack of funding...we guarantee a 15yr 100B revenue source and this project can get built in that time or less... the uncertainty of money means the project takes longer to build - in construction time is your biggest "expense", as it makes everything else cost more...
LET CHINA BUILD IT...VERY FAST,CHEAPER AND EASY JOB FOR THEM
Maybe the republicans can stop trying to stop it.
Republicans need that train set because it will take a good amount of traffic off the freeways. Too bad the dude who is building it wants more money than he needs.
Considering how dilapidated our infrastructure is, we need to spend 10% of our gdp to dramatically improve it (Plumbing, electrical, Bridges, HSR, internet, etc)
Sooo hopefully, my 1 year when she is older 2050, she could ride the train. I'm never going to see it done
How old are you?
Only good at stealing taxpayer money
We need that train from L.A to S.F. Man that would be sweet! Hard to get excited about a Bakersfield to Merced connection.
The whole point of making that a reality is to shut up the complaints of people saying "but why is there no train running yet?"
@@solenstyleWhen it does ever run perhaps the complaint may be why are there so few passengers traveling in the bucolic valley?
@@davidjackson7281But you would have a functioning train, which the developers can point to when asking for funding the rest of the rail.
You will have less hit pieces like this news segment we just watched.
Without the section between Bakersfield and Merced, you'll never get from LA to SF and vice versa.
BTW, another reason for building the 171 mile section first is because it will also serve as the testing track for the 220 mph trains. Currently, there is no place in the USA that is capable of testing trains at that speed and higher. The CAHSR will test the trains at 242 mph so they can run them at a top speed of 220 mph very safely. Start building in LA or SF wouldn't have given them that option.
In America, any work any project is about politics, get your hand on the pie first before you can start working, etc.. if this project is in China it would have been almost done by now
16 years over due lol. Billions over budget too lol. If my state did this, I would flaming angry.
The fed gov't has contributed $6.6 Billion to the project. Does that angry you?
States are very different from each other in population. Everything in California including freeways is crowded because of over population. I think this train set is a good thing.
@@MrJuvefrank LOL ok spend every penny you make on it then cause that's train is never going to be finished, it's distance is already shortened due to the over budget, and time already. You build something in a timely and costly manner if you have to run around an pick bugs and move them first lol. Green wienies in reality slowed the building of this to a stop over a lizard or turtle lol. There's a song you remind of right now, it's called California dreaming, keep dreaming your great kids will one day be able to rid The Train To Nowhere lol.
@@melanie7781"California Dreaming On Such A Winter's Day." Yes, you make some good points but why be so pessimistic? lt'll Hap'n Cap'n.
@@melanie7781 Hi, there, I know a faster, easier, and less expensive way to get that train set built. The government should have known just because the builder said it would have a price tag as huge as what they said it would doesn't mean it can't be built for that much money.
Why so over budget? $100B extra for a shorter line and another estimated 6-9 years to finish.
Budget approved! project completed on time, the United States evolves and California is a Symbol of Development! It is an investment that improves the economy. 👏👏👏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸