To me, the ONLY upgrades Cs2 has compared to GO is the graphics. There are more cheaters, less maps, less content, more bugs, doesn't feel as snappy or consistent as GO. Etc. This game to me is such a step back
I saw a clip that Warowl shared during the beta of someone getting banned live and the match being cancelled. I really thought the anticheat would stay consistent. I hit up old friends and we were ready to hop back on CS, because it was the cheaters that drove us away in the first place. Found out soon enough, everything feels slightly off; the only thing that remained like the good old days was the rampant cheating.
Well I'm sorry but I have a very sad thing to tell you : I had this happen two times, saying that there was a cheater in MY team, the twist : we are a 5 stack and i know them all, none of them are cheaters. In fact, of all the members of the team, it's the worst who got banned. I mean, not banned, we just all got a 24 hour ban, but still. My point is that this is the most inconsistent thing I've ever seen. It stopped two matches, and it was because of a friend who had no cheats (smurfing included) at all... Edit : We all got the 24 hour ban, but it is specified in the description if you're the reason of the ban or if it's a member of your team. Also even if you complain by submitting a ticket to Valve, they will say that VAC bans are definitive and you can't say anything about it.
At this point, CS2 really needs a petition that Nick Bunyun did for CS:GO. I think a lot of content creators should team up and make Valve listen. Get ready for 1 year anniversary patch notes: - Happy birthday CS2 - Added new Music Kit - Fck you and goodbye
And the music kit is going to be a "deadlock music kit, to support our new game -Valve" to advertise their new game. If this actually happens I will uninstall cs2.
and because the community split forced them to make CSGO better to get players from 1.6 and Source to play go. Numbers were atrocious at launch. took them 2 years to get people to join.
@@gaustafr8905 I can make the case that since fewer people are giving the devs feedback concerning CS2, or it's just more of the same, there probably hasn't been much motivation to work on it quite like other titles they got in store (or even TF2 for that matter). But then again, we never know what Valve might do next.
There is no case to be made, there is enough feedback on small channels that understand the backside of what we see on screen. Valve has a policy of not comunicating so they can scrap projects without the pressure of deadlines and community. Took them 2 years to make CSGO playable, we still have one year left.
@@hahayes1122 Completely wrong. It would need only a few lines of code to detect most cheats on the server. AI will do nothing. AI has an inherent error rate which you cannot have in an anticheat. It's the reason why there are false bans currently.
@@TheTH-camUser69 yes it does! Specially in valve. As a valve employee you can work at everything you want. You don’t have a fixed position or role on any title. You can theoretically work on Monday to Wednesday on cs2 and Thursday on tf2(this never happens) and Friday on deadlock. And nobody in valve is questioning what you are doing
I dont even blame the 5 devs that are still working on CS2. Im sure they are doing their best and everything. But the CS2 launch, as you said, was one of the biggest fumbles I've ever seen. The fact that Valve didnt have entire groups of devs to throw at every single bug is wild to me. They should have had multiple groups of anticheat people work on vac, with overwatch ready to go from the start. They should have had an army of investigators and lawyers ready to be let loose against cheat-devs. Hell, maybe even throw in a few irl hitmen for some spice. "We'll focus on the core gameplay first" is a valid path for a two man team developing their passion project. When you have one of the biggest PC games in the world, that just doesnt fly. And thats ignoring the fact that they havent even fixed the core gameplay.
Valve don't care about the cheaters in CS2 for the same reason they didn't care during CSGO. People are addicted to the gambling and that's a huuuuge revenue stream, and the cheaters also happily buy new accounts when there is a very rare ban wave. While people blindly hang on and put money into this garbage nothing will change, either enough players boycott and hit their revenue stream or the clown show continues.
@@vincentprime740yes are acting like a child. The devs are just workers. You think they can sell the game if they want? Hell they probably can’t even work on what they want.
they are making deadlock with portal and HL rumored to have their 3rd games in production... They dont even have much staff in valve. they dont need any. Their 2 online games cs and dota dont need much updates. if anything too many updates will ruin the winning formula. Should they have delayed cs2? maybe but I am willing to bet they wanted to ship it out in order to go fulltime on their new games. Lets not forget the trash launch CSGO had. Just relax and be patient.
As a TF2 player of 11+ years, it unsettles me deeply when TF2 got more attention this summer from Valve than CS. We are living in the weirdest timeline RN.
Did tf2 get an actual update or just the standard cosmetics/ localisations/ maps update? Because people have said things like that so many times over the past few years, I can't help but take this comment with a few pinches of salt.
@@dario-zg1jy Well all the rampant hacking bots and their owners got banned for one, and the gas passer is actually usable outside of mann vs machine now. All things considered, I'll take it for a comeback update.
Don't forget about the high number of case farming bots, especially ever since Valve disable xp for prime user in non-prime server 3 months ago. Now all the case farming bots has to move to prime server and ruin experience for players that paid $15 for prime. Casual Dust 2 is full of chinese bots with 200+ ping, deathmatch has bots that move around the map, act like a normal players but stop moving when someone is spectating them. There's so many bots in Asia server and some of the empty region like Australia and South Africa.
South African here, 100% true. I get kicked within 2 mins of joining a Dust 2 DM server. I have sent emails(s) to the cs2 team, but nothing. I sent screenshots, links to profiles the works. No word.
What "prime server" or "non-prime server"? You could only ever get XP for prime accounts in official servers since the start of CS2. It was like this in CSGO as well.
@@white5866 If you queue with friends that don't have prime you automatically play in "non-prime" server, same with competitive. Back in cs:go there's an option to play unrank match, but this option is gone in cs2. So the only way to play unrank match is if you queue with a friend that does not have prime. At the start of cs2 you can still gain exp in an unrank match, but Valve update this without telling the community, so now there's almost no point in playing with your friend that does not have prime since you won't get any exp anymore.
Yeah I admit it: I was a Valve believer. And when CS 2 launched in its terrible undercooked state I was like: "Um, guys chill - Valve just needs the whole community on it, since the BETA was empty, I am sure they will quickly fix the game - after all they had 11 years of CS:GO experience, right? RIGHT?" . Besides the 3 meaningful big updates and countless fixes, I started losing hope... I honestly feel indifferent about the game and I play it less and less. I miss the ability to buy every single gun, I miss the responsiveness and I miss the fact that the Trust Factor actually worked in CS:GO - towards the final days I barely had cheaters in my lobbies. Probably for 3-4 months I haven't encountered a cheater. A company worth 8 BILLION can't (or doesn't want) to tackle the issues that have haunted the game for years...
The only time Trust Factor actually works for someone with a positive Trust Factor score is when they are playing Solo Queue. When you queue with someone who gets regularly reported because he's a good player his Trust Factor score will be used in matchmaking. And of course since Trust Factor is entirely dependent on players reporting suspicious behavior, e.g. another player 'suspecting' you of cheating, then it's all subjective. It isn't proof like an ANTICHEAT detecting something intrusive. Trust Factor was never going to work, because it was just an ordinary rating system where you just give a thumps up to a guy by not reporting a player and a thumps down to a player you suspect of wrongdoing. The more thumps downs you get the lower your trust factor.
@@whitegoose2017 Well I like your argument and you are providing good points, but can you actually give me the source of this information you are spilling? I am asking, because as far as I know Trust Factor itself was designed to match you with similar accounts and it didn't depend only on reports. In fact Valve themselves said (not that anyone believes them at this point) that Trust Factor is based around multiple variables like: How old is your account, how many games you have, how many hours you have in CS:GO and other games and even something like achievements and badges. And it's true to some degree, because as I said in my previous comment, I was only matched with accounts similar to mine. Very decorated accounts even though it's pretty easy to buy such accounts, I haven't encountered cheaters and it was obvious the owners invested heavily into the game. I was matched with people who had Dragon Lores and other expensive items. Ofc, I hope I am not coping, but Trust Factor did work at least for me and I don't really think it worked (at least before) around reports and offenses. As I said: I am super curious to see the source of your information, because at this point might as well learn something while waiting for the game to actually be good.
CS2 has become the a Gamling Game with shooter mini game in it, Valve doesn't care one bit as long as it prints them what? 400 million dollars a month in cases and keys and when your primary function is to sell NFTs, the slight bit about some cheating in the mini game shooter is a non-issue...
@@chasebeaversThe bots are part of the business ecosystem they've created. I'm quite sure it wasn't what they intended at first, but they probably were a welcome surprise to Valve when they saw the profits.
it has become a cheating simulator with a big gambling site, thats it. Can hardly call it an FPS anymore. We are considering dropping hosting local cs2 tournaments because people simply don't play anymore.
I'm just wandering, how is this even possible, along with those wallbang noscopes across the map?? I wonder what kind of hack they'll manage to perform next 🤣
Here is the problem. Valve is an incredibly small private company, and for some reason, they rarely ever expand their team unless they pull in developers for a new project. While most companies can have upwards of 400 devs working on a game, Valve doesn't even have that many employees at all. That means that between steam, deadlock, the new half life game being worked on and dota 2, there ends up being very few devs to work on CS2 I still have absolutely no idea why Valve chooses to be this closed off and inefficient, but my guess is that they do it to maintain a tighter control of their company and established hierarchy. Even if we plead for fixes, nothing will change until their structure does.
i remember telling my friends when source 2 was announced that it will take 2 years of bug fixes and another year for content parity with GO so according to my schedule we are still on time :(
There is something about shooting which feels so god damn off. I can't exactly pinpoint what it is, but it lacks the "crispiness" of CSGO in a way. One taps feel much less satisfying, spraying is literally RNG 50% of the time, and the whole game has basically become +W SMG simulator
@@Bunerd No the kills aren't as satisfying as CSGO, let alone feel better. CSGO'S gun sounds were crisp and felt natural. A headshot felt immensely good in CSGO. In CS2, it's more random.
@@shyrtexx4879 True. The hitreg is inconsistent and spraying feels weird. The game has become more R&G. I thought I lost my skills as I hadn't played for 3 months. But I started CSGO legacy and my shots hit accurately. It's a CS2 issue.
Isn't it because CSGO was fully client sided registering shots and CS2 is client>server>client communication. So it takes longer to register & confirm a shot, it registers a few miliseconds after you have already shot. Which always feels off. I think they made it this way to have high-ping players play 'more fair' but it has a big disadvantages for low-ping players because of this newly presented lag.
Game is shit, matchmaking is shit, anticheat is shit. I don't know how they fucked up this bad. I still play with my friends a few games every weekend, but it isn't nearly as fun as it used to be. Getting CSGO'ed wasn't fun, but getting CS2'ed is equally bad, and it happens multiple times per game for me.
I keep hearing people about this, but I dont have any issue "getting CS2d". The hit detection is much more consistent than in csgo thanks to subtick. I can actually flick over targets and click them and the bullet will go where I clicked instead of at some random point in between where I moved my mouse on that tick. I also have less problems with enemies teleporting around corners or sliding out tilted 30 degrees with bugged animations, which happened to me sometimes in csgo. The thing is I live right next to an international internet exchange and have fiber so I have a very stable 8 ping to servers in western europe. I think the issues with subtick happen when you have higher and more variable ping. Which is probably most of the playerbase. So Im not making excuses for Valve here. Just saying its not completely their fault.
unless you had something like ishowspeed’s viewerbase and influence, you’d barely make a dent on the money cs makes. sucks but it is what it is. So long as cases and keys make Valve an exorbitant amount of money they wont have any incentive to change stuff.
@@crickcrackcricketycrack5501 conditioned larpers all the same subtick is empirically proven to be better cope Havent seen a CS2'd clip so far from LAN tournaments, we got lots of CSGO'd clips from em though
@@doliniplanini2260Getting csgo'd on lan? Are you brain-dead? Lan csgo was always played at 128 tick and ever since the starladder major i don't remember any such clips on lan
I feel an underrated part that not many people talk about was the different factions being removed. I loved being able to play as FBI or Anarchists or just some other faction than Phoenix and SAS. Added depth to the map tbh
THIS! I was in a discord call with a friend who started in CS2, never playes GO. I saw these and made a comment, he was like: "what? those aren't in CS"... I had to explain to him and show him on the wiki cuz woww.
So what should I play to find the same seek and destroy mode with the good feel CS:GO had at the end ? Don't say Valorant or R6 Siege, I tried both they're nothing like CS:GO was.
What's even funnier about the cheating problem is that Valve have shown that they have the ability to remove players from the game for using "programs" they don't like such as Snap Tap, but can't do that for cheats? funny.
"Do you even realize how crazy it is that your regular playerbase only sticks around thanks to a lifeline thrown by another company because of how bad you are at allowing your own service to get". This is the line that I constantly think about and is significantly underrated. It also amazes me how many people still dick ride Valve for the state of the game.
I have played many games and still go back to cs because how perfect the game is. Sometimes i think the game should be under some other company because valve seriously doesn't care about cs.
There’s a lot of fair criticism that CS2 deserves. And then there’s a lot of bullshit, like «the only thing that’s good about CS2 is graphics» and «there’s a cheater in every game». Calling out bullshit comments like this is not dickriding. If anything, a lot of people who don’t even play the game are dickriding each other on the hate train. There are so many positives, and so many negatives about this new game. The discussion about CS2 is not balanced in the slightest. Genuinly makes me wonder if half the comments are Valorant NPCs pouring gas on the fire. Just please stop saying «bring back CS:GO» because your ten year old PC can’t run a game launched in 2023 on very high settings at 300+ fps.
It just feels like such a wasted opportunity. CS2 was a clean slate to learn from and improve on all the mistakes that held GO back from greatness. Instead it became just more of the same. The most frustrating part to me is the lack of communication by Valve. Sitting there in silence while completely ignoring the feedback from the community, who genuinly want to improve the experience.
''go play faceit'' is such a weak argument when the cheaters on faceit have also skyrocketed, with faceit staff deciding to close their eyes to all reports and say nothing is wrong
@@tehjamerz Ah yes, not even that far down and we've got the gamer sexism. That joke would've been exactly the same without the "lady" part, but you just had to add that because "HURR DURR women ☕ and video games 🤣🤣 amirite???"
My real issue with CS2 being built from the groud up is how they forgot about some anti-cheat things they added to CSGO like nospread, causing all these people to be able to bhop around and be 100% accurate with cheats when they fixed that in CSGO around 2015/16...
Jeff, you're absolutely spot on here. The anti-cheat system is a complete joke. I had the same experience yesterday-almost every match in Premiere had at least one cheater. In one game, a cheater on my own team even blocked us from kicking them out. We ended up leaving the game and got penalized for it. I’ve decided I won’t be playing CS:GO 2 again. And you’re right about FACEIT-why should I have to switch platforms just to play CS:GO 2 with fewer cheaters? I just want the game to work properly. Thanks for being real about it ❤
The reason I play Valorant instead of CS is the absence of good casual modes. It is impossible to have a good casual match in CS. It is a chaotic 10v10 where 1/3 of players are spam bots. And, yes, some of the active players are cheaters...
the worse aspect for me is the workshop. We lost so many great maps, my thoughts go to insertion 1 and 2 that still can't work because of a valve's side problem, and inferno sandbox.
Its a full on failure. The only reason it's not dead is because people are just addicted to CS. If they had CS:GO around CS2 would see a significantly lower amount of player. It has 0 redeeming qualities, the gimmick of smokes washed away and we are left with slop. They are more consistent which is nice but It doesnt make up for all the other downsides of the game. Also the game may be 10 years newer yet you'd never guess that by the graphics(I dont think its a bad thing but its not good either). Not choosing the map is the single worst thing I hated in Valorant and there it is introduced to CS. When you play the normla comp with a chosen map you get matched with the most autistic teammates so there is no point in playing. I play 1 day out of the month where I try to level up but get pissed off and just take a ban. It's probably THE worst competitive multiplayer game right now. Valorant is better and im sad to say this.
I really dont get why they introduced this new premier mode either where you cant play the map you want. My PC is kind of old and my fps goes down from 200+ to about 80 on any map with water on it. So I cant play Overpass, Ancient, Anubis, etc. The only maps I can play are D2, Mirage, Nuke, Vertigo and Inferno. I dont like Vertigo or Inferno. So that means I cant play Premier. Because I would have to leave more than half the games I get put in just to get a map I like and get good enough fps on to be able to play the game. If they had just made the ranked mode the main ranked mode and gave you a seperate rank for every map, that would have been perfect. In the normal ranked mode I get maybe two out of ten games that are decent, with normal teammates. seven out of ten both teams have cheaters, and one out of ten my team is so bad that they manage to lose even if I get 40+ kills in 24 rounds.
Good Things in cs2 - smokes - visibility - you can use both m4's - refund in buy menu - Visual Feedback when you kill someone - more QUOL features Did I forgot something?
@@serek_heterogenizowany Nah. There were Situations where you couldn't see the enemy, because of to dark corners for example. Or the Playermodel blended into the map (on overpass for example).
@@serek_heterogenizowanyCS2 is a lot cleaner than GO, mainly the lighting and wheater are consistent through maps and the clutter is all on the ground and out of the way now.
I would argue against the visual feedback when killing someone. I know when my bullets are hitting i dont need a big uncustomizable flashing hud telling me when im doing something right. I also dont need to be reminded what team im on etc.
Subtick ruined any consistency in CS. There used to be a "global" (server) hit-authority. They turned every client into its own authority which makes no sense for a multiplayer game. A dude with 150 ping will shoot you around corners all day, a problem that never existed in CS:GO
Some points that pushed me from a person who played CS:GO from 2013 to play Valorant instead of CS2: 1. The cheaters 2. The game is weird as fk because of the sub-tick system 3. The optimization for CS2 is completely disaster. I have 16Gb of RAM, an i3-10100F CPU and a RTX 2060. It's not the best PC, but at least it can handle CSGO just fine at 200+ FPS and I think it's the same with Valorant/Dota 2/LoL/etc. At CS2 I got instant frame drop to less than 80FPS, and it stutter as hell even when I'm on the lowest setting that's possible. 4. The game looks terrible and stupid at lowest setting. Comparing the low setting between CS:GO and CS2, CS:GO looks ten times better. I'm talking about the anti alliasing to be specific. 5. Lacks of content in CS2 comparing to Valorant and even CS:GO My last official game I play in CS2 is more than 1 year ago. Last month I fired up my PC to gave it another try, none of these problems went away. At this point I can 100% say that Valve does not give a shit about this game anymore.
Man idc if few people played the other gamemodes like arms race, retakes, flying scoutsman and shit i loved those :((( plus i miss all the other default CT and T factions
the loadout system COULD be useful if the devs couldnt be bothered to shuffle Mid tier gun's balance around every 3 months or so to at least see new guns being meta on force buys
At this point rockstar did more against cheaters in gta online than valve against cheaters in cs2. anyone who has played gta online will know how sad this is
I find it insane that people praise gabe and valve for being the best game company. But in reality Valve is just like any other company. They don't give a fuck as long as cash flows. Ridiculous.
I actually agree here that the loadout system was actually bad. Because, having the decision of "Will I pick m4a4 vs m4a1-s?", or "CZ75 vs FiveSeven or Tec9" were kind of little strategical choices you had to make. I'm not sure how to explain it, but Hougne understands and maybe more people do too. Oh, also wheel buy menu was still better!
@@berran3459 Agreed. For some reason, I actually don't like refunds a little, but I know they're harmless, and actually good for players so I don't care about it.
For me it doesnt make any difference, I dont see the point of having both M4s in your inventory. Whatever the current balance patch is, one is always better than the other. A1-S with 25 bullets a few years ago was better than A4. Then it got nerfed back to 20 bullets, got lower fire rate and more damage dropoff, so now the A4 is better. The only advantage is being able to spam smokes without tracers. That doesnt weigh up to having less bullets, lower fire rate and less damage at range. I currently have the Scout, M4, AUG, AWP and Autosniper equipped in the rifle slots. Having the auto to buy if I have huge bank is more beneficial to winning games than having the A1-S equipped. Yes, its slightly cheaper, but if you cant afford the A4, just buy an MP9 and play a closer range spot instead. Also, dont equip the FAMAS. It has lower fire rate, lower accuracy and lower DPS than the MP9. Its literally useless. And if you are thinking about using the burst fire. Just buy a Scout instead.
@@TheSuperappelflap I agree with the fact that the "m4a4 VS m4a1-s" battle is always one-sided. It used to be that the m4a1-s had 30 bullets too. They were both fairly balanced, so the choice of "which one do I choose" actually existed. Now, I do have both m4s in my buy menu but only so I can buy a teammate what he prefers. I almost always pick m4a4. Also, the famas is really not that bad, it's especially useful for maps like dust 2. But, I can see what you mean, because yes, the mp9 is almost always better, unless it's a long range.
My least favourite thing about CS2 is the loadout system. What I loved about GO over other FPS games is that there was no loadout nonsense and every player had access to every single weapon and it came down which team used the weapons better. Now however I feel like I can never try different tactics and I’m forced to always have the meta guns equipped because my teammates will need drops or I’ll just be at a disadvantage in general. HEY VALVE! If I wanted to play valorant…I’d go play valorant. Stop trying to make CS into valorant
@@govinlock8568 the old but menu was perfect. Just add slots for the m4A1, R8 etc. I had the muscle memory down, I could buy anything in seconds. This new box menu im still not used to
agreed, the loadout system really kills CS2 for me too, it encourages using meta and discourages creative varied playstyle, one of the many things i love to do in CS is to just run and gun with a shotgun and a dual beretta, now? yeah i can do that, but nobody else would be doing that and i will be put in a huge disadvantage because i choose NOT to play meta
i remember back in the day letting out my frustration about hackers in the forum only to get told to "gid gud" and being compared to a toddler shitting himself everytime i started the game a message told me players i have reported were banned good ol days
I was so hyped for the CS2 release and it truly ended up being the biggest fumble in gaming history. The worst part is that they had so much time to at least announce changes that are coming, but they never did. This makes it seem like they truly aren't doing anything, and that the game will stay in such a dry state indefinitely
So many new videos! Personally I think Source 2 is a necessary upgrade, however, the state that it has released in, and the updates we've received have been very half baked, CSGO still FEELS better to aim and move in. When the fundamental mechanics don't feel as good or even better than the previous game, don't release it just yet.
Was it though? it still had problems far more for whats suppose to be the biggest FPS in the market, people just wanted stuff to be fixed but they also dug their own grave by continuing to buy those casses and keys.
Source 2 is an engine with almost 10 years by now. Its what DOTA is using for YEARS, the game should have gotten an update, not a downgrade from gameplay prespective. Valve are NOT good game devs, every online game they made died or are in awful shape (cs2, tf2, even dota has pro players making videos about how stale the game is about his problems). Valve are good distributors with steam, as game developers they are an absolute zero. They didnt't make counter-strike, they just kinda "adopted it" or bought it or something along those lines. Can't expect a turd to become a diamond even if polished at his max.
The biggest issue with CS2 is the performance. CS as a franchise was great because ANYONE could play it and compete. Now you can only compete in CS2 with a NASA PC.... (Or spinbot)
To be fair on that, while they could do better with optimization, that was a product of csgo being so old on a dated engine that has been optimized for already and a pc market that hadn't plateaued yet; with the new source 2 engine, the hardware/software to make it look easy to get 500+ fps isn't possible/done yet I'd assume. Tldr: valve could do better but csgo being so easy to run wasn't intentional, it was inevitable
@@muzlee7479 Yeah I don't know, there's tons of allegations about the AC bricking PCs, causing performance issues, being not as functional as claimed, and so on... Quick insight: th-cam.com/video/M0t-UDwnVSA/w-d-xo.html
@@sskuk1095 Still to this day nobody can show a PC that was bricked. The known issue is that windows 11 pcs that doesn't have tpm (which is a requirement for win 11 btw) are getting crashed. Nobody could show a performance chart that was affected by vanguard either. Maybe on the literal toaster pcs get hit by it a bit. Ever since it was introduced I haven't seen a single bot in my games so I guess it is somewhat functional
CS just really misses a true competitor. Valorant is not even close, a lot of CS players would never switch simply because of the artstyle for example.
The movement is also a big factor I feel like. I've tried to get into Valorant 3 or 4 times now and have a few hundred hours in total but I just can't get used to that game's movement, it feels so slow, clunky and weird. We really did get spoiled with CS:GO's movement.
i think cs2 is a fun game, i haven't encountered a lot of cheaters either in playing it since launch, maybe like 5 or 6 total maximum, even then probably a few i'm counting were just skill issues on my end. the loadouts are pretty bad but tbh it really doesn't matter. in the end, it's about having fun, and with a few friends, i for sure am having it, and do note that the meta for having fun is quite different than the meta for "optimal play", aka only ever buying a deagle, an ak or an awp, maybe try other stuff out every once in a while. i bet a lot of ppl complaining about the loadouts don't even use 40% of the weapons on theirs in a match
For some reason, CS is still, to this very day, something that Valve does not give highest priority. It has been like that for as long as I can remember. Dota was their baby and cs was the black sheep. That being said, the only reason as to why we saw less "blatant" cheaters in CSGO, was because of the community taking care of them through OW
My life certainly got a lot better when I quit playing CSGO after 1500+ hours. Yes, the game itself is so so good, but the frustration is just not worth it
Same. If I play a game, I play it to relax, have fun, get my mind off some thnigs. I dont play it to be ComPeTiTivE, to be pRo, to be the best. CS just doesnt suit the gaming need of too many of us
Mirage, cache, wingman lake (and assault, rip the only fun hostage map) were my go-to maps, nuke is alright but mostly because it's the favourite map of my duo partner. Half of those are just GONE, a year has passed and they're still GONE, it's like they just one day decided to delete half of CS:GO, give it a new name(which is pretty much it) and tell me it is in fact an upgrade. Then there's the cheaters, now idk if the game brought along these issues or just bad timing but HOLY SHIT how many cheaters we got in the game, me and my friend went from playing thousands of hours and rarely see blatant cheaters, sometimes suspicious to my friend sending me pics of him playing with 9 fucking blatant hackers spinning and walling, even better, you can't just +left in console to afk for the rest of that match either because that's been removed. Damage stats from console is gone, which would normally be fine in games, except it is rough if you say someone is low because you see them bleeding all over the wall only to then actually be at 90 health because those hits were client-side only, oops sorry for bad info, guess he wasn't glockable after all. Not sure if I will ever truly return to the game, even if they eventually do bring back the stuff needed to bring it up to par with the predecessor, however many years it'll take them... If I do I guess I can enjoy being the rank I was 2000 hours ago, oh well could be worse, my friend got a rank lower than he's ever been before.
cs2 is horrible. as a casual player that has experienced only like 100 hours of csgo and 100 of cs2 I can say that the first 100 hours felt like heaven and this now... pure frustration. I dont care about the "better" graphics, I just want a game, that feels smooth and is fun to play, that has a good matchmaking system, a good ranked system (like csgo had)... basically I want CSGO back.
It's CS:GO all over again. It TANKED at launch, pretty much everybody went and played 1.6 and Source. Maybe another petition will do. The weirdest thing is the latency. If you go to a map in Practice or with the map command, it's immediately JUST AS CRISP AS CS:GO. Maybe trying to log every input using subtick is the issue. I'm thinking that it should only record shooting and throwing grenades, not the movement of everyone. That might also explain the issue with movement. It's like a tick or two late. On 64 tick, that's disastrous. I am honestly surprised that VAC can't ban the full-on rapid-firing spinbots, like the rapid firing should get someone immediately banned, right? Nah, apparently. Also, the cheating seems to depend on rank and region. At lower ranks, where I am, I've matched with cheaters less than 1% of the time. I'm from Mongolia, I connect to servers in Hong Kong and Japan. Lower ranks run into another issue, however; since Premier is brand new, people with 100 hours and people with 2000 hours all can get placed into the same rank, resulting in unintentional smurfing. The guys with 100 hours do not stand a chance.
@@Downy1230 Nothing, it's a patch from 12 days ago. Just go to any map in Practice and shoot a bot. You'll see. No console commands required. What I said in the original comment is that you can go to a practice map by typing "map ".
In Southeast Asia server you have the blatant cheaters at ranks 15k and above, so every manner of players ranging from legit cheaters, casual rankeds, Faceit lvl 10's, etc are all dumped into ranks 10k to 15k where every match is a coin toss from either getting dumped by sweats or trashing casuals. It's a literal hellhole down here for my friend group who lies on the middle spectrum of just being good enough against normal casuals, but unwilling to waste time learning multiple lineups, team comms, or grind attrition just to beat faceit lvl 10 5 man teams. It sucks here
Valorant isnt an option either. Many of us are millennials and grew up playing 1.6 so it's like CS runs in our blood but due to the exact reasons mentioned in the video many of us have stopped playing CS or at least as long as Valve does something meaningful.
2:25 Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because Hiko was already dead.
I'm convinced valve is lowkey cooking something HUGE in secrecy. Like, a fkn prehistoric amoeba could probably gather enough braincells to do something with the data valve has on modders, so there's gotta be a reason a 7 bil dollar company can't/wont.
Valve probably only has 1, maybe 2 employees at the company working on anti-cheat research and development, and there’s only so much work an employee can do in a day
@@BudgiePanic It's possible but I doubt it. I know valve isn't known for sucking up to their players, but they're still aight as far as listening to the community. I can't see a world where they see how much importance the community sees in anticheat, then assign the most minimal/incompetent team to that department.
@@okdarius At Valve you aren't "assigned" work, they are notable for being a company where employees chose what they want to work on, which evidently, is currently Deadlock
@@BudgiePanic That sounds like an insane structure lol. While it doesn’t surprise me that this woke ass company claims this to make others like you believe it, I can’t see how in the fk a company can run like this…do rem where you heard/seen this?
me and my friends stopped playing it completely. Some drifted off to Valorant, some went back to SIEGE ... I personally went back to single player games and story games.
Love the video! I have nearly 15k hours in CS, hit top 1k world and top 100 NA and have finally given up on it. My stance boils down to "If Valve doesn't care about this game then I won't either".
I am bad and I can't get to the premier elo to face constant cheaters, so for me, the biggest problem is the performance. I can literally play 2-3 maps, the rest have frame drops to 70 in some parts. I play at 170-180 fps on average, when I open the stats it gets to 100, I have 220 on d2 ct looking at B, and 140 looking at A. Very often actually when I shoot the fps goes down ...
To me, the ONLY upgrades Cs2 has compared to GO is the graphics. There are more cheaters, less maps, less content, more bugs, doesn't feel as snappy or consistent as GO. Etc. This game to me is such a step back
even the updated graphics are worse because now I can't play with my friends who have potato PCs
muh snappiness n csgo consistency
gotards are regarded
love the snappy n consistent CSGO'd vids from pros on LAN
silly larper
true, the graphics might be "better" but it just looks so cartoony now. The colors pop like it would be some animated movie.
Its my life what ever i wanna do, its my life...
I saw a clip that Warowl shared during the beta of someone getting banned live and the match being cancelled. I really thought the anticheat would stay consistent. I hit up old friends and we were ready to hop back on CS, because it was the cheaters that drove us away in the first place. Found out soon enough, everything feels slightly off; the only thing that remained like the good old days was the rampant cheating.
I had a match cancelled three rounds in last night due to a cheater. Only time I have had that happen though.
@@xMcWeenxit’s only if they enable rage hacks. legit cheating doesn’t trigger it
@@zxwaveI have had multiple games with rage hacks and some even on my team. I have had no luck in bans though. :')
slightly is an understatement
Well I'm sorry but I have a very sad thing to tell you :
I had this happen two times, saying that there was a cheater in MY team, the twist : we are a 5 stack and i know them all, none of them are cheaters. In fact, of all the members of the team, it's the worst who got banned. I mean, not banned, we just all got a 24 hour ban, but still.
My point is that this is the most inconsistent thing I've ever seen. It stopped two matches, and it was because of a friend who had no cheats (smurfing included) at all...
Edit : We all got the 24 hour ban, but it is specified in the description if you're the reason of the ban or if it's a member of your team. Also even if you complain by submitting a ticket to Valve, they will say that VAC bans are definitive and you can't say anything about it.
At this point, CS2 really needs a petition that Nick Bunyun did for CS:GO. I think a lot of content creators should team up and make Valve listen.
Get ready for 1 year anniversary patch notes:
- Happy birthday CS2
- Added new Music Kit
- Fck you and goodbye
Ya theyre pulling a tf2 on us bro.
And the music kit is going to be a "deadlock music kit, to support our new game -Valve" to advertise their new game. If this actually happens I will uninstall cs2.
bro we did nickbunyun dirty. He didnt deserve it
@@gafur8558 Now thats a name I haven't heard in years, what happened to him?
Lmaoo you think they’re gonna bother adding a music kit? Yeah right it’s just gonna be the FU and a community capsule
The one benefit I’ll give the load out system is being able to equip both the M4A4 and A1s
which is completely uselless, because A4 is a garbage.
@@st1ro734 ong
Ever heard of preference?
@@st1ro734
@@st1ro734I dunno what you’re talking about, both are completely viable, and I see people using it all the time.
Imagine if you could just buy all the weapons instead of the garbage loadout system...
there's a reason they had to delete (hide) CS:GO or they'd have another 1.6 Source community split
and because the community split forced them to make CSGO better to get players from 1.6 and Source to play go. Numbers were atrocious at launch. took them 2 years to get people to join.
@@gaustafr8905 I can make the case that since fewer people are giving the devs feedback concerning CS2, or it's just more of the same, there probably hasn't been much motivation to work on it quite like other titles they got in store (or even TF2 for that matter). But then again, we never know what Valve might do next.
There is no case to be made, there is enough feedback on small channels that understand the backside of what we see on screen. Valve has a policy of not comunicating so they can scrap projects without the pressure of deadlines and community.
Took them 2 years to make CSGO playable, we still have one year left.
@@gaustafr8905 If the state of TF2 is anything to go my friend, it'll be a lot longer than that.
CS:GO back to 1.6 and Source i represent.
Give us Anticheat :(
No reply lemme fix that
@@theshubhramgamer5226u aint fixing nothing bro
Well said Kevin.
its not possible to create a good anti cheat, maybe with a good AI in 5+ years, because of the compute power needed
@@hahayes1122 Completely wrong. It would need only a few lines of code to detect most cheats on the server. AI will do nothing. AI has an inherent error rate which you cannot have in an anticheat. It's the reason why there are false bans currently.
Hougoungagne: Valve, if you didnt work on premiere, what else did you work on?
Deadlock: Allow me to intorduce myself.
That's not how Devs work. You just don't magically appear in a different team
That's not how dev teams work? But okay 👍
@@TheTH-camUser69 yes it does! Specially in valve. As a valve employee you can work at everything you want. You don’t have a fixed position or role on any title. You can theoretically work on Monday to Wednesday on cs2 and Thursday on tf2(this never happens) and Friday on deadlock. And nobody in valve is questioning what you are doing
@@TheTH-camUser69 lol bro, you clearly don't know how Valve works.
They don't work with normal company logic
@@looky7486 Pretty sure ive heard that they went away from that model actually. But who knows.
I dont even blame the 5 devs that are still working on CS2. Im sure they are doing their best and everything. But the CS2 launch, as you said, was one of the biggest fumbles I've ever seen.
The fact that Valve didnt have entire groups of devs to throw at every single bug is wild to me. They should have had multiple groups of anticheat people work on vac, with overwatch ready to go from the start. They should have had an army of investigators and lawyers ready to be let loose against cheat-devs. Hell, maybe even throw in a few irl hitmen for some spice.
"We'll focus on the core gameplay first" is a valid path for a two man team developing their passion project. When you have one of the biggest PC games in the world, that just doesnt fly. And thats ignoring the fact that they havent even fixed the core gameplay.
Valve don't care about the cheaters in CS2 for the same reason they didn't care during CSGO. People are addicted to the gambling and that's a huuuuge revenue stream, and the cheaters also happily buy new accounts when there is a very rare ban wave. While people blindly hang on and put money into this garbage nothing will change, either enough players boycott and hit their revenue stream or the clown show continues.
Oh we do blame the 5 devs trying to do their best because their best doesnt do jack shit and they should sell the game to riot.
@@vincentprime740yes are acting like a child. The devs are just workers. You think they can sell the game if they want? Hell they probably can’t even work on what they want.
The Launch it self was a disaster
they are making deadlock with portal and HL rumored to have their 3rd games in production... They dont even have much staff in valve. they dont need any. Their 2 online games cs and dota dont need much updates. if anything too many updates will ruin the winning formula. Should they have delayed cs2? maybe but I am willing to bet they wanted to ship it out in order to go fulltime on their new games. Lets not forget the trash launch CSGO had. Just relax and be patient.
As a TF2 player of 11+ years, it unsettles me deeply when TF2 got more attention this summer from Valve than CS. We are living in the weirdest timeline RN.
As a TF2 player of 14 years, I don't even care if it seems weird; it's about damn time it got the treatment it actually deserved.
Did tf2 get an actual update or just the standard cosmetics/ localisations/ maps update?
Because people have said things like that so many times over the past few years, I can't help but take this comment with a few pinches of salt.
@@dario-zg1jythey did the summer content + resolved rampant bots that had been ruining quickplay
@@Brown95Pyou need tf3 bro, updates are too little too late
@@dario-zg1jy
Well all the rampant hacking bots and their owners got banned for one, and the gas passer is actually usable outside of mann vs machine now.
All things considered, I'll take it for a comeback update.
Bro decided to make a comeback, put CS2 and Valve on the stove, pull max power, start rapping and pulling straight fax print 🔥🔥🔥🔥
And still nothing will change sadly cuz he already did that like 8years ago LOL
Don't forget about the high number of case farming bots, especially ever since Valve disable xp for prime user in non-prime server 3 months ago. Now all the case farming bots has to move to prime server and ruin experience for players that paid $15 for prime.
Casual Dust 2 is full of chinese bots with 200+ ping, deathmatch has bots that move around the map, act like a normal players but stop moving when someone is spectating them. There's so many bots in Asia server and some of the empty region like Australia and South Africa.
South African here, 100% true. I get kicked within 2 mins of joining a Dust 2 DM server. I have sent emails(s) to the cs2 team, but nothing. I sent screenshots, links to profiles the works. No word.
What "prime server" or "non-prime server"? You could only ever get XP for prime accounts in official servers since the start of CS2. It was like this in CSGO as well.
@@white5866 If you queue with friends that don't have prime you automatically play in "non-prime" server, same with competitive. Back in cs:go there's an option to play unrank match, but this option is gone in cs2.
So the only way to play unrank match is if you queue with a friend that does not have prime. At the start of cs2 you can still gain exp in an unrank match, but Valve update this without telling the community, so now there's almost no point in playing with your friend that does not have prime since you won't get any exp anymore.
Yeah I admit it: I was a Valve believer. And when CS 2 launched in its terrible undercooked state I was like: "Um, guys chill - Valve just needs the whole community on it, since the BETA was empty, I am sure they will quickly fix the game - after all they had 11 years of CS:GO experience, right? RIGHT?" . Besides the 3 meaningful big updates and countless fixes, I started losing hope... I honestly feel indifferent about the game and I play it less and less. I miss the ability to buy every single gun, I miss the responsiveness and I miss the fact that the Trust Factor actually worked in CS:GO - towards the final days I barely had cheaters in my lobbies. Probably for 3-4 months I haven't encountered a cheater. A company worth 8 BILLION can't (or doesn't want) to tackle the issues that have haunted the game for years...
The only time Trust Factor actually works for someone with a positive Trust Factor score is when they are playing Solo Queue. When you queue with someone who gets regularly reported because he's a good player his Trust Factor score will be used in matchmaking. And of course since Trust Factor is entirely dependent on players reporting suspicious behavior, e.g. another player 'suspecting' you of cheating, then it's all subjective. It isn't proof like an ANTICHEAT detecting something intrusive. Trust Factor was never going to work, because it was just an ordinary rating system where you just give a thumps up to a guy by not reporting a player and a thumps down to a player you suspect of wrongdoing. The more thumps downs you get the lower your trust factor.
@@whitegoose2017 Well I like your argument and you are providing good points, but can you actually give me the source of this information you are spilling? I am asking, because as far as I know Trust Factor itself was designed to match you with similar accounts and it didn't depend only on reports. In fact Valve themselves said (not that anyone believes them at this point) that Trust Factor is based around multiple variables like: How old is your account, how many games you have, how many hours you have in CS:GO and other games and even something like achievements and badges. And it's true to some degree, because as I said in my previous comment, I was only matched with accounts similar to mine. Very decorated accounts even though it's pretty easy to buy such accounts, I haven't encountered cheaters and it was obvious the owners invested heavily into the game. I was matched with people who had Dragon Lores and other expensive items. Ofc, I hope I am not coping, but Trust Factor did work at least for me and I don't really think it worked (at least before) around reports and offenses. As I said: I am super curious to see the source of your information, because at this point might as well learn something while waiting for the game to actually be good.
It's a new engine bro. They're literally training programmers to use it properly. Feel free to assist them if you know better.
CS2 has become the a Gamling Game with shooter mini game in it, Valve doesn't care one bit as long as it prints them what? 400 million dollars a month in cases and keys and when your primary function is to sell NFTs, the slight bit about some cheating in the mini game shooter is a non-issue...
This. Why would they turn on an anticheat and ban all the bots that make them millions each month?
@@chasebeaversThe bots are part of the business ecosystem they've created. I'm quite sure it wasn't what they intended at first, but they probably were a welcome surprise to Valve when they saw the profits.
it has become a cheating simulator with a big gambling site, thats it. Can hardly call it an FPS anymore. We are considering dropping hosting local cs2 tournaments because people simply don't play anymore.
What if faceit and ESEA pay them a lot of money to keep the main game mode shit? Idk probably not that's my conspiracy theory
As someone who mostly hung out in surf and arms race, CS2 is the worst thing to ever happen to CS.
that the cheaters can shoot at a faster firerate is genuinely insane I dont understand how they can let that happen
I'm just wandering, how is this even possible, along with those wallbang noscopes across the map?? I wonder what kind of hack they'll manage to perform next 🤣
Here is the problem. Valve is an incredibly small private company, and for some reason, they rarely ever expand their team unless they pull in developers for a new project. While most companies can have upwards of 400 devs working on a game, Valve doesn't even have that many employees at all. That means that between steam, deadlock, the new half life game being worked on and dota 2, there ends up being very few devs to work on CS2
I still have absolutely no idea why Valve chooses to be this closed off and inefficient, but my guess is that they do it to maintain a tighter control of their company and established hierarchy. Even if we plead for fixes, nothing will change until their structure does.
At least they don't have a Cosby Room /s
i remember telling my friends when source 2 was announced that it will take 2 years of bug fixes and another year for content parity with GO so according to my schedule we are still on time :(
its like the devs are not working on new content at all
they are
The who?
They should fix the gameplay first before caring about new content
@@tehjamerzthe overseas Indian “developer” labor that is apparently in charge of Valve software.
because they aren’t lol
There is something about shooting which feels so god damn off. I can't exactly pinpoint what it is, but it lacks the "crispiness" of CSGO in a way. One taps feel much less satisfying, spraying is literally RNG 50% of the time, and the whole game has basically become +W SMG simulator
But if you managed a kill is more satisfying than csgo.
But shooting in general is still worse than csgo
@@Bunerd No the kills aren't as satisfying as CSGO, let alone feel better. CSGO'S gun sounds were crisp and felt natural. A headshot felt immensely good in CSGO. In CS2, it's more random.
@@shyrtexx4879 True. The hitreg is inconsistent and spraying feels weird. The game has become more R&G. I thought I lost my skills as I hadn't played for 3 months. But I started CSGO legacy and my shots hit accurately. It's a CS2 issue.
Isn't it because CSGO was fully client sided registering shots and CS2 is client>server>client communication. So it takes longer to register & confirm a shot, it registers a few miliseconds after you have already shot. Which always feels off. I think they made it this way to have high-ping players play 'more fair' but it has a big disadvantages for low-ping players because of this newly presented lag.
spraying has always been RNG
my biggest issue with cs2 is honestly all performance related, new laggy networking, fps the feels so low and choppy almost and weird feeling inputs.
Game is shit, matchmaking is shit, anticheat is shit. I don't know how they fucked up this bad.
I still play with my friends a few games every weekend, but it isn't nearly as fun as it used to be. Getting CSGO'ed wasn't fun, but getting CS2'ed is equally bad, and it happens multiple times per game for me.
I keep hearing people about this, but I dont have any issue "getting CS2d". The hit detection is much more consistent than in csgo thanks to subtick. I can actually flick over targets and click them and the bullet will go where I clicked instead of at some random point in between where I moved my mouse on that tick. I also have less problems with enemies teleporting around corners or sliding out tilted 30 degrees with bugged animations, which happened to me sometimes in csgo.
The thing is I live right next to an international internet exchange and have fiber so I have a very stable 8 ping to servers in western europe. I think the issues with subtick happen when you have higher and more variable ping. Which is probably most of the playerbase. So Im not making excuses for Valve here. Just saying its not completely their fault.
wish i had the power and influence to just start a collective boycott against CS and opening skin cases so that valve does something
unless you had something like ishowspeed’s viewerbase and influence, you’d barely make a dent on the money cs makes. sucks but it is what it is. So long as cases and keys make Valve an exorbitant amount of money they wont have any incentive to change stuff.
that wont change anything. They will still make billions from simple game sales.
subtick SUCKS,
^this
subtick timestamps>urs and pro's feeling of "crispiness and snapiness" who play on lan n not with ping like everyone else
@@doliniplanini2260most people complaining aren't pro players. People who prefer playing on at least a consistent 64 tick server
@@crickcrackcricketycrack5501 conditioned larpers all the same
subtick is empirically proven to be better
cope
Havent seen a CS2'd clip so far from LAN tournaments, we got lots of CSGO'd clips from em though
@@doliniplanini2260Getting csgo'd on lan? Are you brain-dead? Lan csgo was always played at 128 tick and ever since the starladder major i don't remember any such clips on lan
I feel an underrated part that not many people talk about was the different factions being removed.
I loved being able to play as FBI or Anarchists or just some other faction than Phoenix and SAS. Added depth to the map tbh
THIS! I was in a discord call with a friend who started in CS2, never playes GO. I saw these and made a comment, he was like: "what? those aren't in CS"... I had to explain to him and show him on the wiki cuz woww.
true
true, I miss them
Moral of the story: go play something else
So what should I play to find the same seek and destroy mode with the good feel CS:GO had at the end ? Don't say Valorant or R6 Siege, I tried both they're nothing like CS:GO was.
I moved to fucking Rust and its been more fun than cs
@@hydros1ty Glad for you. No way I put a foot closer than 100Km from this game.
@@BioFake1 if you wanna find a decent ish defusal gamemode, I’d try spectre divide
@@hydros1ty It seems to have the same problems as Valorant. Adding to the ugly, way too bright cell shading.
2 videos in 2 days, my man is back on the grind :D
What's even funnier about the cheating problem is that Valve have shown that they have the ability to remove players from the game for using "programs" they don't like such as Snap Tap, but can't do that for cheats? funny.
"Do you even realize how crazy it is that your regular playerbase only sticks around thanks to a lifeline thrown by another company because of how bad you are at allowing your own service to get". This is the line that I constantly think about and is significantly underrated. It also amazes me how many people still dick ride Valve for the state of the game.
I have played many games and still go back to cs because how perfect the game is.
Sometimes i think the game should be under some other company because valve seriously doesn't care about cs.
There’s a lot of fair criticism that CS2 deserves. And then there’s a lot of bullshit, like «the only thing that’s good about CS2 is graphics» and «there’s a cheater in every game».
Calling out bullshit comments like this is not dickriding. If anything, a lot of people who don’t even play the game are dickriding each other on the hate train.
There are so many positives, and so many negatives about this new game. The discussion about CS2 is not balanced in the slightest. Genuinly makes me wonder if half the comments are Valorant NPCs pouring gas on the fire.
Just please stop saying «bring back CS:GO» because your ten year old PC can’t run a game launched in 2023 on very high settings at 300+ fps.
I'm saying it here and now: Without collective action against Valve, this thing will continue to move forward at a snails pace!!!
It just feels like such a wasted opportunity. CS2 was a clean slate to learn from and improve on all the mistakes that held GO back from greatness. Instead it became just more of the same. The most frustrating part to me is the lack of communication by Valve. Sitting there in silence while completely ignoring the feedback from the community, who genuinly want to improve the experience.
''go play faceit'' is such a weak argument when the cheaters on faceit have also skyrocketed, with faceit staff deciding to close their eyes to all reports and say nothing is wrong
to be fair faceit has been doing that since 2016
Subtick was the worst decision ever
When gaben finds out what the lady intern did to CS he's gonna laugh so hard
@@tehjamerz Ah yes, not even that far down and we've got the gamer sexism.
That joke would've been exactly the same without the "lady" part, but you just had to add that because "HURR DURR women ☕ and video games 🤣🤣 amirite???"
@@maxcchiru watch the cs2 trailer, not my fault
@@tehjamerz yes the woman they hired for voice over is totally a game developer
I feel like subtick would be so so good combined with 128 but yeah atm subtick is just so awful
My real issue with CS2 being built from the groud up is how they forgot about some anti-cheat things they added to CSGO like nospread, causing all these people to be able to bhop around and be 100% accurate with cheats when they fixed that in CSGO around 2015/16...
Jeff, you're absolutely spot on here. The anti-cheat system is a complete joke. I had the same experience yesterday-almost every match in Premiere had at least one cheater. In one game, a cheater on my own team even blocked us from kicking them out. We ended up leaving the game and got penalized for it. I’ve decided I won’t be playing CS:GO 2 again. And you’re right about FACEIT-why should I have to switch platforms just to play CS:GO 2 with fewer cheaters? I just want the game to work properly. Thanks for being real about it ❤
Im 25 now and ive been watching jeff since i was 17 and in all seriousness throughout the years posture check is really important than anything else 👍
The reason I play Valorant instead of CS is the absence of good casual modes.
It is impossible to have a good casual match in CS. It is a chaotic 10v10 where 1/3 of players are spam bots.
And, yes, some of the active players are cheaters...
basically what happened with BF2042 happened with CS long before 2042 even released, they saw the money bags and said fuck the game.
the saying "you can't polish a turd" fits soooo well for this company/game
I hate modern Valve. They're only taken seriously because of what they accomplished.... 20+ years ago.
the worse aspect for me is the workshop. We lost so many great maps, my thoughts go to insertion 1 and 2 that still can't work because of a valve's side problem, and inferno sandbox.
Its a full on failure. The only reason it's not dead is because people are just addicted to CS. If they had CS:GO around CS2 would see a significantly lower amount of player. It has 0 redeeming qualities, the gimmick of smokes washed away and we are left with slop. They are more consistent which is nice but It doesnt make up for all the other downsides of the game. Also the game may be 10 years newer yet you'd never guess that by the graphics(I dont think its a bad thing but its not good either).
Not choosing the map is the single worst thing I hated in Valorant and there it is introduced to CS. When you play the normla comp with a chosen map you get matched with the most autistic teammates so there is no point in playing. I play 1 day out of the month where I try to level up but get pissed off and just take a ban. It's probably THE worst competitive multiplayer game right now. Valorant is better and im sad to say this.
I really dont get why they introduced this new premier mode either where you cant play the map you want.
My PC is kind of old and my fps goes down from 200+ to about 80 on any map with water on it. So I cant play Overpass, Ancient, Anubis, etc. The only maps I can play are D2, Mirage, Nuke, Vertigo and Inferno. I dont like Vertigo or Inferno. So that means I cant play Premier. Because I would have to leave more than half the games I get put in just to get a map I like and get good enough fps on to be able to play the game.
If they had just made the ranked mode the main ranked mode and gave you a seperate rank for every map, that would have been perfect.
In the normal ranked mode I get maybe two out of ten games that are decent, with normal teammates. seven out of ten both teams have cheaters, and one out of ten my team is so bad that they manage to lose even if I get 40+ kills in 24 rounds.
Good Things in cs2
- smokes
- visibility
- you can use both m4's
- refund in buy menu
- Visual Feedback when you kill someone
- more QUOL features
Did I forgot something?
Arguably the Audio
Would argue about visibility. Csgo was clean.
@@serek_heterogenizowany Nah. There were Situations where you couldn't see the enemy, because of to dark corners for example. Or the Playermodel blended into the map (on overpass for example).
@@serek_heterogenizowanyCS2 is a lot cleaner than GO, mainly the lighting and wheater are consistent through maps and the clutter is all on the ground and out of the way now.
I would argue against the visual feedback when killing someone. I know when my bullets are hitting i dont need a big uncustomizable flashing hud telling me when im doing something right. I also dont need to be reminded what team im on etc.
Subtick ruined any consistency in CS. There used to be a "global" (server) hit-authority. They turned every client into its own authority which makes no sense for a multiplayer game. A dude with 150 ping will shoot you around corners all day, a problem that never existed in CS:GO
Some points that pushed me from a person who played CS:GO from 2013 to play Valorant instead of CS2:
1. The cheaters
2. The game is weird as fk because of the sub-tick system
3. The optimization for CS2 is completely disaster. I have 16Gb of RAM, an i3-10100F CPU and a RTX 2060. It's not the best PC, but at least it can handle CSGO just fine at 200+ FPS and I think it's the same with Valorant/Dota 2/LoL/etc. At CS2 I got instant frame drop to less than 80FPS, and it stutter as hell even when I'm on the lowest setting that's possible.
4. The game looks terrible and stupid at lowest setting. Comparing the low setting between CS:GO and CS2, CS:GO looks ten times better. I'm talking about the anti alliasing to be specific.
5. Lacks of content in CS2 comparing to Valorant and even CS:GO
My last official game I play in CS2 is more than 1 year ago. Last month I fired up my PC to gave it another try, none of these problems went away. At this point I can 100% say that Valve does not give a shit about this game anymore.
I'm really upset that they got rid of most of the fun gamemodes from CSGO like retakes
Man idc if few people played the other gamemodes like arms race, retakes, flying scoutsman and shit i loved those :(((
plus i miss all the other default CT and T factions
The limited buy menu was such a stupid idea, that alone made me question their development strategy. (which is to say, they don't have one)
the loadout system COULD be useful if the devs couldnt be bothered to shuffle Mid tier gun's balance around every 3 months or so to at least see new guns being meta on force buys
At this point rockstar did more against cheaters in gta online than valve against cheaters in cs2. anyone who has played gta online will know how sad this is
"They are playing with super powers for fuck sake " has me laughing my ass off😂
open the game itself is like a lottery, you might get smooth experience, and many times you get choppy experience
I find it insane that people praise gabe and valve for being the best game company. But in reality Valve is just like any other company. They don't give a fuck as long as cash flows. Ridiculous.
The fact OhnePixel kind of cut off streaming CS is a change for once.
This guy will lose all loses when he sees Deadlock development lmao
I actually agree here that the loadout system was actually bad. Because, having the decision of "Will I pick m4a4 vs m4a1-s?", or "CZ75 vs FiveSeven or Tec9" were kind of little strategical choices you had to make.
I'm not sure how to explain it, but Hougne understands and maybe more people do too. Oh, also wheel buy menu was still better!
Refunds are fantastic tho. But then again they could just add that to the old wheel
@@berran3459 Agreed. For some reason, I actually don't like refunds a little, but I know they're harmless, and actually good for players so I don't care about it.
For me it doesnt make any difference, I dont see the point of having both M4s in your inventory. Whatever the current balance patch is, one is always better than the other. A1-S with 25 bullets a few years ago was better than A4. Then it got nerfed back to 20 bullets, got lower fire rate and more damage dropoff, so now the A4 is better. The only advantage is being able to spam smokes without tracers. That doesnt weigh up to having less bullets, lower fire rate and less damage at range.
I currently have the Scout, M4, AUG, AWP and Autosniper equipped in the rifle slots. Having the auto to buy if I have huge bank is more beneficial to winning games than having the A1-S equipped.
Yes, its slightly cheaper, but if you cant afford the A4, just buy an MP9 and play a closer range spot instead.
Also, dont equip the FAMAS. It has lower fire rate, lower accuracy and lower DPS than the MP9. Its literally useless. And if you are thinking about using the burst fire. Just buy a Scout instead.
@@TheSuperappelflap I agree with the fact that the "m4a4 VS m4a1-s" battle is always one-sided. It used to be that the m4a1-s had 30 bullets too. They were both fairly balanced, so the choice of "which one do I choose" actually existed.
Now, I do have both m4s in my buy menu but only so I can buy a teammate what he prefers. I almost always pick m4a4.
Also, the famas is really not that bad, it's especially useful for maps like dust 2. But, I can see what you mean, because yes, the mp9 is almost always better, unless it's a long range.
My least favourite thing about CS2 is the loadout system. What I loved about GO over other FPS games is that there was no loadout nonsense and every player had access to every single weapon and it came down which team used the weapons better. Now however I feel like I can never try different tactics and I’m forced to always have the meta guns equipped because my teammates will need drops or I’ll just be at a disadvantage in general. HEY VALVE! If I wanted to play valorant…I’d go play valorant. Stop trying to make CS into valorant
If they have CSGO buy menu but can bring both M4A4 and M4A1-S, it would be great.
@@govinlock8568 the old but menu was perfect. Just add slots for the m4A1, R8 etc. I had the muscle memory down, I could buy anything in seconds. This new box menu im still not used to
@@nicholasstensson9699 indeed
agreed, the loadout system really kills CS2 for me too, it encourages using meta and discourages creative varied playstyle, one of the many things i love to do in CS is to just run and gun with a shotgun and a dual beretta, now? yeah i can do that, but nobody else would be doing that and i will be put in a huge disadvantage because i choose NOT to play meta
I feel completely betrayed as a csgo player. Valve should not simply replace a game with another and shut down all the servers, it is crazy.
I play this game once a week just for the case drop. That's when I realized I don't enjoy the game anymore.
The worst thing is that most if not all games are like this now, there is genuinely nothing better to play and its a shame.
i remember back in the day letting out my frustration about hackers in the forum only to get told to "gid gud" and being compared to a toddler shitting himself
everytime i started the game a message told me players i have reported were banned
good ol days
we need more videos like this. valve cant keep getting away with it (for serious, this time)
I was so hyped for the CS2 release and it truly ended up being the biggest fumble in gaming history.
The worst part is that they had so much time to at least announce changes that are coming, but they never did. This makes it seem like they truly aren't doing anything, and that the game will stay in such a dry state indefinitely
the real cs:go killer :(
They should've made CS2 a separate game, or at least wait to update it until it was actually a finished product
So many new videos! Personally I think Source 2 is a necessary upgrade, however, the state that it has released in, and the updates we've received have been very half baked, CSGO still FEELS better to aim and move in. When the fundamental mechanics don't feel as good or even better than the previous game, don't release it just yet.
The animation on 0:10 at the CS2 logo is already perfect how to describe the issue with this game thank you Jeff ahahaha
I blame the CS community for begging valve for a source 2 counter strike. Csgo was a great game but now we're stuck with this.
an engine upgrade was inevitable, source 1 was really showing its age
Was it though? it still had problems far more for whats suppose to be the biggest FPS in the market, people just wanted stuff to be fixed but they also dug their own grave by continuing to buy those casses and keys.
@@abhisheknath9257 people wanted cs on source2 basically since csgo came out
Careful what you wish for,...
Source 2 is an engine with almost 10 years by now. Its what DOTA is using for YEARS, the game should have gotten an update, not a downgrade from gameplay prespective. Valve are NOT good game devs, every online game they made died or are in awful shape (cs2, tf2, even dota has pro players making videos about how stale the game is about his problems). Valve are good distributors with steam, as game developers they are an absolute zero. They didnt't make counter-strike, they just kinda "adopted it" or bought it or something along those lines. Can't expect a turd to become a diamond even if polished at his max.
sooner or later no valve IP is safe from neglect
stop hiding from my featured
try actually looking at your subscriptions page
CS went from a great game to a gambling platform pretending to be a game
The biggest issue with CS2 is the performance. CS as a franchise was great because ANYONE could play it and compete. Now you can only compete in CS2 with a NASA PC.... (Or spinbot)
just stop being poor
@@doliniplanini2260 you talking to me or the pro's that also say the same thing lol
To be fair on that, while they could do better with optimization, that was a product of csgo being so old on a dated engine that has been optimized for already and a pc market that hadn't plateaued yet; with the new source 2 engine, the hardware/software to make it look easy to get 500+ fps isn't possible/done yet I'd assume.
Tldr: valve could do better but csgo being so easy to run wasn't intentional, it was inevitable
@@DaDembski the pros also wanted to ban the molly when csgo came out
but they arent lacking gpu's doe
thats what made me stop playing. i had stable 55-60 fps on lower-middle settings in GO and now im getting max 2 fps if thats a good enough day for it
Yeah I uninstalled that shitty game when I got 10 straight matches against cheaters
Woooo he’s back
Counter Strike isn't even carried by the esports side. It's literally a gambling simulator and money laundry machine
Meanwhile lol players are complaining about a working anti cheat
😂
Yeah, but that's Vanguard.
Listen to Richard Lewis' take on that issue!
@@sskuk1095 Idk about richard nobody. It is a solution that works. People are just so paranoid nowadays over nothing.
@@muzlee7479 Yeah I don't know, there's tons of allegations about the AC bricking PCs, causing performance issues, being not as functional as claimed, and so on...
Quick insight: th-cam.com/video/M0t-UDwnVSA/w-d-xo.html
@@sskuk1095 Still to this day nobody can show a PC that was bricked. The known issue is that windows 11 pcs that doesn't have tpm (which is a requirement for win 11 btw) are getting crashed. Nobody could show a performance chart that was affected by vanguard either. Maybe on the literal toaster pcs get hit by it a bit. Ever since it was introduced I haven't seen a single bot in my games so I guess it is somewhat functional
@@muzlee7479 my gtx 680 was bricked after launching valorant.
CS just really misses a true competitor. Valorant is not even close, a lot of CS players would never switch simply because of the artstyle for example.
The movement is also a big factor I feel like. I've tried to get into Valorant 3 or 4 times now and have a few hundred hours in total but I just can't get used to that game's movement, it feels so slow, clunky and weird. We really did get spoiled with CS:GO's movement.
i think cs2 is a fun game, i haven't encountered a lot of cheaters either in playing it since launch, maybe like 5 or 6 total maximum, even then probably a few i'm counting were just skill issues on my end. the loadouts are pretty bad but tbh it really doesn't matter. in the end, it's about having fun, and with a few friends, i for sure am having it, and do note that the meta for having fun is quite different than the meta for "optimal play", aka only ever buying a deagle, an ak or an awp, maybe try other stuff out every once in a while. i bet a lot of ppl complaining about the loadouts don't even use 40% of the weapons on theirs in a match
low elo queues in europe seem to be much more enjoyable than anything else lol
you don't get many cheaters until you hit 14k elo. After that its just keeps getting worse and worse
you can jump shot with ak now....
@@berran3459 good thing, very fun. you're not even mad when you take this kinda stuff lmao
thats where youre wrong, i always use 100% of my loadout because that's what's fun for me and valbe took it away for a system that feeds on metas
For some reason, CS is still, to this very day, something that Valve does not give highest priority.
It has been like that for as long as I can remember.
Dota was their baby and cs was the black sheep.
That being said, the only reason as to why we saw less "blatant" cheaters in CSGO, was because of the community taking care of them through OW
5 views in 22 seconds bro fell off
Shut up. Stop writing this.
over 100k now :)
Ok so valve now makes a habit of leaving games in an unplayable state, good to know that something else than TF2 has no love from them.
i will never forgive valve for deleting the best game ever made
From Cs go to Cs2, Valve took 1 step ahead, 5 steps backwards.
My life certainly got a lot better when I quit playing CSGO after 1500+ hours. Yes, the game itself is so so good, but the frustration is just not worth it
Same. If I play a game, I play it to relax, have fun, get my mind off some thnigs. I dont play it to be ComPeTiTivE, to be pRo, to be the best. CS just doesnt suit the gaming need of too many of us
It's a fact, Valve don't deserve CS Franchise
Mirage, cache, wingman lake (and assault, rip the only fun hostage map) were my go-to maps, nuke is alright but mostly because it's the favourite map of my duo partner. Half of those are just GONE, a year has passed and they're still GONE, it's like they just one day decided to delete half of CS:GO, give it a new name(which is pretty much it) and tell me it is in fact an upgrade.
Then there's the cheaters, now idk if the game brought along these issues or just bad timing but HOLY SHIT how many cheaters we got in the game, me and my friend went from playing thousands of hours and rarely see blatant cheaters, sometimes suspicious to my friend sending me pics of him playing with 9 fucking blatant hackers spinning and walling, even better, you can't just +left in console to afk for the rest of that match either because that's been removed.
Damage stats from console is gone, which would normally be fine in games, except it is rough if you say someone is low because you see them bleeding all over the wall only to then actually be at 90 health because those hits were client-side only, oops sorry for bad info, guess he wasn't glockable after all.
Not sure if I will ever truly return to the game, even if they eventually do bring back the stuff needed to bring it up to par with the predecessor, however many years it'll take them...
If I do I guess I can enjoy being the rank I was 2000 hours ago, oh well could be worse, my friend got a rank lower than he's ever been before.
Sigh. Playing Valorant now, it feels refreshing maybe you guys want to try out.
cs2 is horrible. as a casual player that has experienced only like 100 hours of csgo and 100 of cs2 I can say that the first 100 hours felt like heaven and this now... pure frustration. I dont care about the "better" graphics, I just want a game, that feels smooth and is fun to play, that has a good matchmaking system, a good ranked system (like csgo had)... basically I want CSGO back.
Valve is working on deadlock and i don't even blame them couse deadlock is fcking amazing
The shooting and peeking feels dreadful to do and play against, and I blame it entirely on subtick
It's CS:GO all over again. It TANKED at launch, pretty much everybody went and played 1.6 and Source. Maybe another petition will do.
The weirdest thing is the latency. If you go to a map in Practice or with the map command, it's immediately JUST AS CRISP AS CS:GO. Maybe trying to log every input using subtick is the issue. I'm thinking that it should only record shooting and throwing grenades, not the movement of everyone. That might also explain the issue with movement. It's like a tick or two late. On 64 tick, that's disastrous.
I am honestly surprised that VAC can't ban the full-on rapid-firing spinbots, like the rapid firing should get someone immediately banned, right? Nah, apparently.
Also, the cheating seems to depend on rank and region. At lower ranks, where I am, I've matched with cheaters less than 1% of the time. I'm from Mongolia, I connect to servers in Hong Kong and Japan. Lower ranks run into another issue, however; since Premier is brand new, people with 100 hours and people with 2000 hours all can get placed into the same rank, resulting in unintentional smurfing. The guys with 100 hours do not stand a chance.
i ask for such command, what did you put into the practice map, I have to document this and see how bad it really is
@@Downy1230 Nothing, it's a patch from 12 days ago. Just go to any map in Practice and shoot a bot. You'll see. No console commands required.
What I said in the original comment is that you can go to a practice map by typing "map ".
In Southeast Asia server you have the blatant cheaters at ranks 15k and above, so every manner of players ranging from legit cheaters, casual rankeds, Faceit lvl 10's, etc are all dumped into ranks 10k to 15k where every match is a coin toss from either getting dumped by sweats or trashing casuals. It's a literal hellhole down here for my friend group who lies on the middle spectrum of just being good enough against normal casuals, but unwilling to waste time learning multiple lineups, team comms, or grind attrition just to beat faceit lvl 10 5 man teams. It sucks here
Faceit doesnt have all the maps, and its shockingly toxic. Particularly at lower ranks.
Valorant isnt an option either. Many of us are millennials and grew up playing 1.6 so it's like CS runs in our blood but due to the exact reasons mentioned in the video many of us have stopped playing CS or at least as long as Valve does something meaningful.
2:25 Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because Hiko was already dead.
Many people call it elo on premier but it's actually not elo but just some rating points that valve created, neither valve claims it's elo
I'm convinced valve is lowkey cooking something HUGE in secrecy. Like, a fkn prehistoric amoeba could probably gather enough braincells to do something with the data valve has on modders, so there's gotta be a reason a 7 bil dollar company can't/wont.
Valve probably only has 1, maybe 2 employees at the company working on anti-cheat research and development, and there’s only so much work an employee can do in a day
@@BudgiePanic It's possible but I doubt it. I know valve isn't known for sucking up to their players, but they're still aight as far as listening to the community. I can't see a world where they see how much importance the community sees in anticheat, then assign the most minimal/incompetent team to that department.
@@okdarius At Valve you aren't "assigned" work, they are notable for being a company where employees chose what they want to work on, which evidently, is currently Deadlock
@@BudgiePanic That sounds like an insane structure lol. While it doesn’t surprise me that this woke ass company claims this to make others like you believe it, I can’t see how in the fk a company can run like this…do rem where you heard/seen this?
@@okdarius it’s on their company website bruv
me and my friends stopped playing it completely. Some drifted off to Valorant, some went back to SIEGE ... I personally went back to single player games and story games.
Love the video! I have nearly 15k hours in CS, hit top 1k world and top 100 NA and have finally given up on it. My stance boils down to "If Valve doesn't care about this game then I won't either".
The fact they didn’t even bother to bring back map based CT and T models irks me. I’m sick and tired of seeing the same SAS and Phoenix models.
the step back feels like a whole marathon
I am bad and I can't get to the premier elo to face constant cheaters, so for me, the biggest problem is the performance. I can literally play 2-3 maps, the rest have frame drops to 70 in some parts. I play at 170-180 fps on average, when I open the stats it gets to 100, I have 220 on d2 ct looking at B, and 140 looking at A. Very often actually when I shoot the fps goes down ...
I have stable 300 fps at max settings, it's good