Monument Made of Utah Minerals - Cedar Grove Indian Peace Treaty

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  • A unique historical market to commemorate a significant historical event stands along State Road 24 near the town of Koosharem. It is constructed of mortar and a classic selection of Utah minerals.

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  • @anikarodriguez9524
    @anikarodriguez9524 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Adding this to my bucket list❤❤❤

  • @TheAnarchitek
    @TheAnarchitek 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ever wonder why, despite the presence of copper, and other elements necessary to metallurgy, early Native Americans never made the leap to creating weapons? The Indian tribes of the Americas retained a Stone Age approach, making arrowheads and lances the same way their grandfathers' grandfathers had, and their grandfathers before them. Perhaps the Semites, Sumerians, and Egyptians witnessed some chemical processes, and some bright boy said, "AHA! I can duplicate that!"
    It's hard to say, from this late a date, this far removed, but there were far fewer people in the Americas, widely scattered. There were no cities, no groups of people, no armies, no great conflicts. That doesn't mean they weren't as bloodthirsty as their European cousins, but they did not form armies to conquer distant lands. The Mediterranean peoples were a contentious bunch, mostly cousins of one sort or another, and as snappish as any unruly bunch of children. The Native Americans battled one another, but not in concentrated forms, like "wars". Their ideas of "honor", without the guidance of Religion, were lasting, binding, and sacred.
    Ironically, the people who invented religion had so few of these compunctions, they've become among the most hated of groups. None of us is perfect, but some of us fall far shorter of the ideal, than most. The late-stage Anasazi exhibited signs of becoming "western", according to modern Navajo and Pueblo accounts, but those peoples did not live in the region, while Chaco Canyon was an active site. The Native American culture has many admirable qualities, some we can learn from, in this "modern" age.

    • @GemstoneJournalist
      @GemstoneJournalist  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have thought about this a bit myself, and I tend to assume that they did use native copper for certain things, and was part of why the copper-aluminum sulphate "turquoise" was such an integrated part of their culture. They would mine artisanally in hopes of finding small pieces of native metal, but as a byproduct, they would regularly produce turquoise and other copper minerals for jewelry and ceremonies. Copper, as a pure element, also corrodes or oxidizes rapidly, and if much of their territory was under water for long periods, and otherwise resting in salty, alkaline environments, it's possible the evidence has mostly disappeared. Without the knowledge of metallurgy and making of alloys, it is difficult to make a lasting tool, and furthermore, perhaps the use of stone instead of metal was a matter of sustainable practice, and perhaps these cultures understood the balance of nature and the destruction caused by large scale mining, especially of sulphide deposits. Even to this day, the best "surgical-grade" blades are made of stone (more specifically volcanic glass/obsidian). Perhaps there was something more practical about it, and so they simply stuck to what works and didn't intend to reinvent the wheel. A statement that has stuck with me for many years now is that, "the absence of evidence does not mean an evidence of absence."

    • @GemstoneJournalist
      @GemstoneJournalist  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I've also heard on multiple occasions that the Pueblo are the Anasazi, or more specifically that the Anasazi became integrated into the Pueblo tribe. I struggle to see through the varied stories to find a common truth, however, and it seems to me like the Anasazi were their own tribe of people that were not related to any of the other tribes of this land. Even more fascinating is stories that the Anasazi were actually Martians, and I've heard this from tribal people of the Paiute (Navajo) culture who also called them "Anasazi", translating to "Ancient enemy" (depending on who you ask).

    • @TheAnarchitek
      @TheAnarchitek 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very true! I suspect a lot of "evidence" was lost to heat, to water, and to time. We are fortunate to have what we do, and the isolation of the canyon ruins has helped. The prevalence of motorcycles, ORVs and quads has seriously endangered those ruins, a threat caused by idiots who desecrate them for "fun", as well as all the You-Tubers who make videos about them, by tramping through them.
      I have wondered about the prevalence of gold, in the ancient world. Tut's face mask has 34 pounds of gold, a stunning amount, but not the only use. The global gymnastics I've spoken of must have exposed seams of gold, and other materials, especially in the Mediterranean region, where it seems to have been used extensively, for quite some time.
      The Fremont/Anasazi would certainly have found copper, and gold, as well as turquoise. They might have fashioned items out of the metals, keeping them, when they moved. The items might have been misattributed to other sources, when found, centuries later, far from the Southwest. Other gems are less common in the US, speaking to its assembly from unrelated pieces, but the methodology of the dispersal of elements, crystals, and rare-earth materials was somewhat haphazard.
      The water that covered the area, in the early centuries of the 3rd Millennium BC, was shallow, sometimes fetid, probably, as standing water does. The arriving water, circa 2164BC, scoured the landscape, down to rock, gouged out channels, and sat, in deep pools, for nearly 3,000 years. Water acts on rock, in its thermal range, and in its weight. Any shifting underneath, is multiplied exponentially, because water just abides, so the force is deflected.
      That idea is what is so critical about the reactions of water, when the events I discuss occurred. Tsunamis move through the water at about 500 mph. It isn't so much the water moving, but the force moving through it, by a form of telekinesis. This means a tsunami crossed the Pacific, from off Chile, to China, in about 18 hours. If the "rising Sun" was swallowed by the sea monster, 18 hours later would be near midnight, when the civilian population was abed, and least expecting a catastrophe to come out of the night.
      Lake Bonneville would have been very salty, and its progenitor, the Great Western Sea (for want of a better name), that had surrounded the ancient ice cap I believe sat northwest of Navajo Mountain, was reduced to Lakes Lahontan and Anasazi, when it solved the blockage in southern California, enabling it to drain away to the Gulf of Baja California. The water that was trapped in the basin I call Lake Anasazi, was a soupier mix of chemicals, some of which may have arrived long after the water. This body of water would not begin to drain away until the first centuries of the modern era. The Petrified Forest was such a site, with silica, and other enabling chemicals, to work on the (probably) millions of logs pushed ahead of the raging waters.
      These bodies may help to explain the salinity of the oceans, today, because they are higher. I believe the "seas" of the world before all this started, were cleaner water, less saline, and far less polluted. The seas had been shallower, connected by "rivers", that circulated the water to keep it fresh. The addition of uncountable levels of water, mixed with all manner of contaminants, altered that scenario. The amount of fresh water available on the planet, today, is scary small. Getting "salt" out of seawater is not as easy as it sounds.
      Libya recently discovered three massive pools of potable water in its northeast, southeast, and southwestern quadrants, water enough to change the nation's course. A watercourse crossed Libya, perhaps contemporaneously with the events I mention, emptying into the Gulf of Guinea, between the eastern and western pools. Another water course crossed Algeria, emptying into the (present-day) Atlantic (might have been another "water course", at the time). Algeria, and Mauretania might be advised to look for the same conditions Libya found.
      Very appropriate closer, too. It is a logical conclusion, one that seems to miss a lot of people completely. The fact that we cannot explain where our forebears came from, for the most part, has more to do with how they were "erased", than it does to who they were. There were peoples who've disappeared, since, who built Machu Picchu, and great cities now covered with vegetation, in the Amazon. These people, too, "walked away", without explanation. I'd say, "My city suddenly being elevated by 10,000 feet vertically (or buried beneath a wall of mud a hundred feet high) is all the reason I need to relocate to sunnier climes!"
      I've wandered far afield, in my response, but I see it as a connected whole, a sequence of events that blew people's minds, disrupted their lives beyond description, and altered the world, into the one we know, assumed by one and all to have "always looked this way" (unless it was "millions of years ago"). It is a magnificent tale, marred by human indulgence, of all our many syndromes and phobias, and, I hope, it is not over with, yet. I think we need to go to the stars. Not us, but our very distant descendants. We have to overcome our (often contradictory) beliefs generated by the events I drone on about, first, in order to develop. Perhaps, an ancient civilization before us reached this point, and took the wrong path, to more, and worse, wars.

    • @TheAnarchitek
      @TheAnarchitek 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The story is as garbled as the stories in the opening chapters of Genesis, a bit of truth, a lot of interpretation, too much human interference. The Puebloans are "related" to the Anasazi, but they're also related to the Aztecs, and the other desert tribes, in the same way. When it gets down to it, we are all related, even if we don't act like it.
      I have a complete story of the Anasazi-to-Pueblo transition, but I hesitate to state it here. Suffice to say, it is a continuation of the original saga, this time completely on the American continent. They interacted, and interbred, with peoples who may have been the Atlanteans (though never called that), of Plato's Republic, before returning to the desert Southwest.
      The entire tale explains the appearance of pyramids on North and South America (although many were probably built before this time, but none after), underscoring my assertion the world was vastly different than we know, or are told, not all that long ago. There were a lot of people, from time to time (Sennacherib lost 185 THOUSAND, "in the night", circa
      I did a quick calculation, about the PIE people, who "emerged" on the Russian steppes, thousands of miles from their origination point, in the 3rd Millennium BC. If say, 2,000 survived, within 250 years, there would have been 3.5 million, at a birth rate comparable to what the world has experienced, over the last 250 years.

    • @GemstoneJournalist
      @GemstoneJournalist  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheAnarchitek I'd be interested in hearing more about the Anasazi-Pueblo transition, as you put it. If you feel inclined, please send me an email (check my channel description for address). You've had my mind reeling for a few days now, and I'd really like to understand the perspective fully.