By letter of the law, there should probably be a foul or penalty on every corner. Refs judge and ignore minor transgressions every game. Red cards are extreme and ruin games and should be reserved for serious offenses.
@@artsbyoba Normally true, but kicking the ball off the pitch to delay the game is an automatic yellow since last season. Clubs were reminded of this last month.
@@columcunningham4458 There's actually something interesting about that. When the foul was called the player gets up and kicks the ball into the back of Rice. Technically when he got up he was at the spot of the foul thus by kicking the ball into Rice he restarts play at that moment, lol. Making the entire encounter worse. The PGMOL is a joke.
If Rice is getting a second yellow / red, then Veltman should get a straight red for kicking a player on purpose. Veltman wasn't remotely attempting to kick the ball.
This was no mistake by the ref. His decisions were mostly one sided the entire game. I just checked the stats, 70% of all tackles were fouls for arsenal. For brighton? 30% of tackles were fouls. Something's fishy 🐟
double the fouls in Aston Villa game to Arsenal as well. I noticed the same thing last week. Watch this all season and you will see a pattern. Same thing happened last year.
@@ToddParker it’s actually a psychological phenomenon - because arsenal don’t foul often, when they DO foul it’s noticed as an outlier and punished. Other teams (like Newcastle) commit foul after foul but it barely registers due to its consistency. Refs are human and therefore prone to such confirmation and availability biases
The fact that Kavanaugh is not apologising does not rule out the fact that he was right. The man should not be allowed to referee Arsenal the rest of tge season.
He flicked the ball away which delayed play.....so he should have a pay rise or a bonus maybe? Or a yellow card? If players stopped cheating at every opportunity the refs job will be much easier. Players and managers are spoilt and petulant . Rice got caught out. He's big enough to admit it and will progress his career and probably be england captain one day. Time to move on, it's getting boring
@@Xgeneration28 flick, kick...same? Soft yellow admittedly, but the clubs have been told the refs will be clamping down on time wasting. Unless its a brighton player
@@stevegrainger6367 how ever you look at it, the ref knew what he was going to do soon as he was appointed that fixture. you don't lose all common sense just like that and if you do then this isn't the job for you. he was as dishonest as it gets the whole game. we should move on and we will but the robberies need to stop it only takes two or three of them to cost a title, that's how good man city are.
@@Xgeneration28 I think you are right. Chelsea have had similar issues with certain refs and referee bias is becoming more and more apparent. I'm sure fans of other clubs feel the same. There is more and more scrutiny due to the amount of cameras, but what's the anwer? VAR is not everyone's answer . Lets hope it gets better
If you lay down a precedent early in the game (jao pedro) whether it was the right or wrong precedent, should be upheld for the other team later in the game for fairness.
I mean this is the correct response. Technically a yellow, but in the spirit of the game and how the game had been reffed, its absolutely not a yellow. So much gas lighting trying to convince us the ref was right by other pundits and fans
Football might be the simplest sport on the planet in terms of law and infractions. And it has an "enforcement structure" of four referees on the field, three more in a booth, and a dozen camera angles to review plays. Yet it has managed to be overcomplicated by the governing bodies to the point of absurdity.
Everyone who agrees with the decision would change their opinion if it happened to a player on a team they support. Common sense plus consistency is what makes a good referee.
What's yal talk about, I don't get it you should blame referee not following the rules, why he didn't Pedro a yellow card for kicking a ball outside like 15 yards I don't get it
Terrible refereeing every year they do this to Arsenal…this made me stop watching.cplayers work their whole lives to be the best…these refs are terrible
The Ref ruined a good game...Red cards should be preserved for bigger offenses inconsistency included...it shows how PGMOL is rotten to the core and ruining the league all together
Different scenarios but weekend before, McGinn boots the ball at Saliba and White retaliates. then a few handbags and Oliver comes across, calms it down and no yellows - common sense but let's see how many times in next 35 game weeks the officials apply the rules consistently
Rules are in place to make sure the game flows and is entertaining and fair… I can’t see how this decision ticked any of those boxes. “Letter of the law” is still open to interpretation- every law is. Ref didn’t have to at all - no one would have complained one bit if he didn’t card him. So why did he do it? Ego - that’s why
Why don't I ever see these rubbish referees when I watch La Liga. Don't get me wrong there was a time when this did happen and that was during the time of the Barcelona scandal. Maybe the same thing is happening in the UK? I mean Pep Guardiola is there too hint hint.
They've been rubbish for a long time. I think it's a cultural reason, because they otherwise have all the resources in the world to produce competent referees. They also have all the resources in the world to produce top managers but they can't do that either, so maybe there's actually a common denominator there
Because the PGMOL is run by a bunch of buffoons, who hire unqualified English refs because they don't know any better. It's a vicious cycle. This type of corruption is quite common in governing bodies, globally.
Very well said, football has become robotic. Yes, there are rules, but referees need to be pragmatic and use common sense while applying the letter of the law and not spoil the game.
There is no debate here, it should have been a yellow for Pedro, a second yellow for Rice and a red for Veltman. We are heading for another PGMOL masterclass this season where they are going to talk s***t on sky for the next remaining months.
It is not a red at all and the brighten player should of been sent off he kicked the ball and all most kicked his leg and I was there at the game I saw it happen
By the letter of the law you have to take the freekick where the foul has taken place, you can't choose and pick what you do by the letter of the law, either you do everything or you f off.
The ref took the chance to be the main character. He basically told Rice that, " Well, this is the new law. You guys were briefed before the start of the season. I will show you what we can do now." Also, pretty sure he flashed that yellow, just so that he can flash that red too.
Speaking of consistency football is not black and white so discretion forms a major component of refereeing why consistency can never be achieved. Declan Rice created a situation (faking an injury, kicking the ball thus delaying the restart) for the referee to exercise his discretion which didn’t go DR way. DR has only himself to blame. Lastly Arsenal is not a clean team why they never win trophies.
This is true. Rice did admit in his post-match interview that he deserved the yellow. "I’ve touched the ball with the outside of my foot. But look, this is the laws of the game. If you touch ball away, even a little bit, obviously it’s a red card after my challenge in the first half which I fully accept was a 50-50 that I didn’t win."
@@iu2 I wasn’t impressed with Declan Rice dubiously alleging he was fouled by faking an injury hoping the yellow card goes the opponent way which didn’t. Declan Rice was caught cheating. Arsenal needs to become a mature team in order to win the league.
Bro be real Arsenal as close to 16 red card most of it are stupid red and cost them to lose the ,the odd of Arsenal winning epl is very low,to my calculations, there is always bad discussion , for The past 6 or 5 years has closed to 16 red highest in epl so be real about ur comment.
WTF, the rule books are clear and the Ref was brilliant following the rule book. Stop privileging high paid players , if it was a low paid African or south American player you goons will be praising the Ref.
Let me ask you some simple questions since you are so adamant to follow the rules of the book 1) Players don't put the ball in free kick position by kicking it. Veltzman did so is that even legit? 2) Are you allowed to take a free kick with rolling ball? 3) Joao Pedro kicked the ball 40 yrds away and did not get yellow. Can you explain? 4) Hinslewood pulled back Saka + hits him in the face twice(He did not get booked even once). Is that a red? 5) Ben White's shot was going in and Dunk's arm stopped a certain goal. Can you explain why is that not a penalty?
Anyone that thinks Rice should have got a second yellow needs to get their eye sight tested. Veltmen clearly took the free kick and kicked the ball into Rice. The ball was already in play. The only person that should have saw red is Veltmen for violent conduct.
Arsenal supporters are acting like Arteta again: Blame everyone else except for yourself. Thankfully, Rice is better than that and actually has integrity because he admitted in his post-match interview that he deserved the yellow. "I’ve touched the ball with the outside of my foot. But look, this is the laws of the game. If you touch ball away, even a little bit, obviously it’s a red card after my challenge in the first half which I fully accept was a 50-50 that I didn’t win."
Don’t be dumb, 2 things can be right at desame time, the actual point is about consistency, this is not a matter of banter, WHY WAS PEDRO NOT GIVEN A YELLOW?
i dont think anyone is ever saying it isnt a red card, just that its a harsh one. the annoying part is there was the joao pedro kicking the ball away incident, if rice didnt touch the ball veltman would have kicked over it anyway and still hit rice in the knee, and welbeck came over brandishing an invisible yellow card begging for a second yellow. by the letter of the law, all of those are yellow cards and brighton didnt get one
It's because of tactics by clubs like Arsenal that these rules have been put in place. It would have been a travesty if Rice hadn't been given a second yellow. I'm sorry but you two clearly have no clue about the modern game of football. No offence but please could you not post TH-cam videos about subjects you know nothing about.
So because the remiss a call in the first half he needs to keep missing the call rest of the game? Brighton fans would be complaining if he didn’t get the card. And they keep saying the game was ruined like the opposing fans didn’t enjoy that card.
You've missed that Estupinan delayed an Arsenal free kick in the 87th minute. So basically the rules only apply to Arsenal ? That's what corruption/ inconsistency looks like.
Veltmen technically took the free kick when he kicked the ball into the back of Rice. If anyone should of got a card it should of been Veltmen with a red for violent conduct.
How could it be yellow when the referee had ignored multiple instances of the same offence by Brighton players earlier in the match? Why does the application of the rules suddenly change?
@@HYPRpotions Veltman got up and quickly kicked the ball into the back of Rice's legs when Rice was walking away. As far as I'm concerned, Veltman had taken the freekick and if he hadn't, then you can't take a freekick if the ball is removing.
Let me ask you some simple questions since you are so adamant to follow the rules of the book 1) Players don't put the ball in free kick position by kicking it. Veltzman did so is that even legit? 2) Are you allowed to take a free kick with rolling ball? 3) Joao Pedro kicked the ball 40 yrds away and did not get yellow. Can you explain? 4) Hinslewood pulled back Saka + hits him in the face twice(He did not get booked even once). Is that a red? 5) Ben White's shot was going in and Dunk's arm stopped a certain goal. Can you explain why is that not a penalty?
Why is no body saying the ref laid down the marker when he refused to book Pedro.
By letter of the law, there should probably be a foul or penalty on every corner. Refs judge and ignore minor transgressions every game. Red cards are extreme and ruin games and should be reserved for serious offenses.
Ball was moving. End of story.
He got a second yellow, not a straight red. There's a difference.
Ref don't always give second yellow cards after every minor offense @@iu2
@@artsbyoba Normally true, but kicking the ball off the pitch to delay the game is an automatic yellow since last season. Clubs were reminded of this last month.
@@columcunningham4458 There's actually something interesting about that. When the foul was called the player gets up and kicks the ball into the back of Rice. Technically when he got up he was at the spot of the foul thus by kicking the ball into Rice he restarts play at that moment, lol. Making the entire encounter worse. The PGMOL is a joke.
Arsenal have a win rate of 71.1% in the past to seasons and its always drops to 52.6% in games refed by Chris kavangha
Where the red for the guy who kicked Rice? Why aren’t anyone talking about that? F the ref. He destroyed the game.
The ref diminished the premier league. I’d sack him.
No ones mentioning how Veltman planted his foot in-between Rices right foot and the ball and kicks through Rice while looking at him, not the ball
If Rice is getting a second yellow / red, then Veltman should get a straight red for kicking a player on purpose. Veltman wasn't remotely attempting to kick the ball.
Kavanaugh had Pedro in his Fantasy football team.
This was no mistake by the ref. His decisions were mostly one sided the entire game. I just checked the stats, 70% of all tackles were fouls for arsenal. For brighton? 30% of tackles were fouls. Something's fishy 🐟
Have a look at arsenal’s win percentage 70% compared to 50% when Kavanagh reds arsenal games… a 20% drop 😂
Bought 💰
double the fouls in Aston Villa game to Arsenal as well. I noticed the same thing last week. Watch this all season and you will see a pattern. Same thing happened last year.
@@ToddParker it’s actually a psychological phenomenon - because arsenal don’t foul often, when they DO foul it’s noticed as an outlier and punished. Other teams (like Newcastle) commit foul after foul but it barely registers due to its consistency. Refs are human and therefore prone to such confirmation and availability biases
@@danogunner ok, does it matter? Fact is, we are getting penalized far more and it changes the game.
I think “Bias” is a fitting word here rather than inconsistency coz it is a very one sided inconsistency. This referee needs to be investigated
The fact that Kavanaugh is not apologising does not rule out the fact that he was right. The man should not be allowed to referee Arsenal the rest of tge season.
it wasn't a yellow card the ref cheated.
He flicked the ball away which delayed play.....so he should have a pay rise or a bonus maybe? Or a yellow card? If players stopped cheating at every opportunity the refs job will be much easier. Players and managers are spoilt and petulant . Rice got caught out. He's big enough to admit it and will progress his career and probably be england captain one day. Time to move on, it's getting boring
@@stevegrainger6367 kicking the ball away was what the other guy did in the first half..
you can't call what Rice did a kick it was hardly a kick
@@Xgeneration28 flick, kick...same? Soft yellow admittedly, but the clubs have been told the refs will be clamping down on time wasting. Unless its a brighton player
@@stevegrainger6367 how ever you look at it, the ref knew what he was going to do soon as he was appointed that fixture.
you don't lose all common sense just like that and if you do then this isn't the job for you.
he was as dishonest as it gets the whole game.
we should move on and we will but the robberies need to stop it only takes two or three of them to cost a title, that's how good man city are.
@@Xgeneration28 I think you are right. Chelsea have had similar issues with certain refs and referee bias is becoming more and more apparent. I'm sure fans of other clubs feel the same. There is more and more scrutiny due to the amount of cameras, but what's the anwer? VAR is not everyone's answer . Lets hope it gets better
Can’t var simply fix this mistake on the spot, and we wouldn’t have content to talk about?! Ooopps, ruined it guys
If you lay down a precedent early in the game (jao pedro) whether it was the right or wrong precedent, should be upheld for the other team later in the game for fairness.
this veltman guy wouldnt get a yellow if he broke rice leg. thats how much refs hate arsenal
I mean this is the correct response. Technically a yellow, but in the spirit of the game and how the game had been reffed, its absolutely not a yellow. So much gas lighting trying to convince us the ref was right by other pundits and fans
The ball was moving. Revisionists are wild bro.
Football might be the simplest sport on the planet in terms of law and infractions. And it has an "enforcement structure" of four referees on the field, three more in a booth, and a dozen camera angles to review plays. Yet it has managed to be overcomplicated by the governing bodies to the point of absurdity.
The more you revisit the incident the more you blame the referee.
Everyone who agrees with the decision would change their opinion if it happened to a player on a team they support. Common sense plus consistency is what makes a good referee.
What's yal talk about, I don't get it you should blame referee not following the rules, why he didn't Pedro a yellow card for kicking a ball outside like 15 yards I don't get it
Terrible refereeing every year they do this to Arsenal…this made me stop watching.cplayers work their whole lives to be the best…these refs are terrible
The Ref ruined a good game...Red cards should be preserved for bigger offenses inconsistency included...it shows how PGMOL is rotten to the core and ruining the league all together
Danny welback said to the ref give him a yellow
Different scenarios but weekend before, McGinn boots the ball at Saliba and White retaliates. then a few handbags and Oliver comes across, calms it down and no yellows - common sense but let's see how many times in next 35 game weeks the officials apply the rules consistently
Rules are in place to make sure the game flows and is entertaining and fair… I can’t see how this decision ticked any of those boxes.
“Letter of the law” is still open to interpretation- every law is. Ref didn’t have to at all - no one would have complained one bit if he didn’t card him. So why did he do it? Ego - that’s why
Barley touches it it anything red for veltman for lashing him in the shins
If a tree falls Forrest, does VAR acknowledge the sound? 😢🎉😂❤
You two r right
Why don't I ever see these rubbish referees when I watch La Liga. Don't get me wrong there was a time when this did happen and that was during the time of the Barcelona scandal. Maybe the same thing is happening in the UK? I mean Pep Guardiola is there too hint hint.
They've been rubbish for a long time. I think it's a cultural reason, because they otherwise have all the resources in the world to produce competent referees. They also have all the resources in the world to produce top managers but they can't do that either, so maybe there's actually a common denominator there
Because the PGMOL is run by a bunch of buffoons, who hire unqualified English refs because they don't know any better. It's a vicious cycle. This type of corruption is quite common in governing bodies, globally.
Very well said, football has become robotic. Yes, there are rules, but referees need to be pragmatic and use common sense while applying the letter of the law and not spoil the game.
Good veltman throws the ball at him
Hahahaha. Again about the referees in England. They are all garbage, rubbish and underpaid.
There is no debate here, it should have been a yellow for Pedro, a second yellow for Rice and a red for Veltman. We are heading for another PGMOL masterclass this season where they are going to talk s***t on sky for the next remaining months.
Measuring stick is # of losses man city incur! 😂❤ last year it was 3 losses , let the marathon begin! Go gooners ❤😂
why not just say ref was a match fixer u cowards
It is not a red at all and the brighten player should of been sent off he kicked the ball and all most kicked his leg and I was there at the game I saw it happen
Bottom line. The ref is an amateur
No. He simply corrupt
By the letter of the law you have to take the freekick where the foul has taken place, you can't choose and pick what you do by the letter of the law, either you do everything or you f off.
CHEERS TO THE dARK ARTS?!
We will see if hour credible or not
The ref took the chance to be the main character. He basically told Rice that, " Well, this is the new law. You guys were briefed before the start of the season. I will show you what we can do now."
Also, pretty sure he flashed that yellow, just so that he can flash that red too.
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First of all, It’s a yellow card !
Cavanagh has "Strong Main Character Energy" as sais by ian Wright. What else is there to say.
Pathetic English refereeing..
Corruption, end of
City are going to win it again
Speaking of consistency football is not black and white so discretion forms a major component of refereeing why consistency can never be achieved. Declan Rice created a situation (faking an injury, kicking the ball thus delaying the restart) for the referee to exercise his discretion which didn’t go DR way. DR has only himself to blame. Lastly Arsenal is not a clean team why they never win trophies.
This is true. Rice did admit in his post-match interview that he deserved the yellow.
"I’ve touched the ball with the outside of my foot. But look, this is the laws of the game. If you touch ball away, even a little bit, obviously it’s a red card after my challenge in the first half which I fully accept was a 50-50 that I didn’t win."
@@iu2 I wasn’t impressed with Declan Rice dubiously alleging he was fouled by faking an injury hoping the yellow card goes the opponent way which didn’t. Declan Rice was caught cheating. Arsenal needs to become a mature team in order to win the league.
@@JimmyScooter They dive so often that it just becomes automatic for them after being touched in the leg. It's become a reflex.
Bro be real Arsenal as close to 16 red card most of it are stupid red and cost them to lose the ,the odd of Arsenal winning epl is very low,to my calculations, there is always bad discussion , for The past 6 or 5 years has closed to 16 red highest in epl so be real about ur comment.
WTF, the rule books are clear and the Ref was brilliant following the rule book. Stop privileging high paid players , if it was a low paid African or south American player you goons will be praising the Ref.
The rules do not apply to Pedro, right?
No argument….. that’s should of been 2 reds
Let me ask you some simple questions since you are so adamant to follow the rules of the book
1) Players don't put the ball in free kick position by kicking it. Veltzman did so is that even legit?
2) Are you allowed to take a free kick with rolling ball?
3) Joao Pedro kicked the ball 40 yrds away and did not get yellow. Can you explain?
4) Hinslewood pulled back Saka + hits him in the face twice(He did not get booked even once). Is that a red?
5) Ben White's shot was going in and Dunk's arm stopped a certain goal. Can you explain why is that not a penalty?
Anyone that thinks Rice should have got a second yellow needs to get their eye sight tested. Veltmen clearly took the free kick and kicked the ball into Rice. The ball was already in play. The only person that should have saw red is Veltmen for violent conduct.
Arsenal supporters are acting like Arteta again: Blame everyone else except for yourself. Thankfully, Rice is better than that and actually has integrity because he admitted in his post-match interview that he deserved the yellow.
"I’ve touched the ball with the outside of my foot. But look, this is the laws of the game. If you touch ball away, even a little bit, obviously it’s a red card after my challenge in the first half which I fully accept was a 50-50 that I didn’t win."
Don’t be dumb, 2 things can be right at desame time, the actual point is about consistency, this is not a matter of banter, WHY WAS PEDRO NOT GIVEN A YELLOW?
i dont think anyone is ever saying it isnt a red card, just that its a harsh one. the annoying part is there was the joao pedro kicking the ball away incident, if rice didnt touch the ball veltman would have kicked over it anyway and still hit rice in the knee, and welbeck came over brandishing an invisible yellow card begging for a second yellow. by the letter of the law, all of those are yellow cards and brighton didnt get one
It's because of tactics by clubs like Arsenal that these rules have been put in place. It would have been a travesty if Rice hadn't been given a second yellow. I'm sorry but you two clearly have no clue about the modern game of football. No offence but please could you not post TH-cam videos about subjects you know nothing about.
Rice was wasting time and he should have gone out of the way
So because the remiss a call in the first half he needs to keep missing the call rest of the game? Brighton fans would be complaining if he didn’t get the card. And they keep saying the game was ruined like the opposing fans didn’t enjoy that card.
😂😂😂
Not the rest of the game. But if Brighton gets a free delay of the game, then Arsenal get 1. Consistency, after that he can call the next one
He didn’t miss it. He chose not to address it.
You've missed that Estupinan delayed an Arsenal free kick in the 87th minute. So basically the rules only apply to Arsenal ? That's what corruption/ inconsistency looks like.
Poor little arsenal. They are like the whimp on the beach. Sigh
Was the incident worthy of a yellow card? Yes. Was the player already on a yellow? Yes. Then he deserves a red card. I never understand these debates
How could it be a yellow when veltman kicks the ball into rice?
you are delusional LOL
Veltmen technically took the free kick when he kicked the ball into the back of Rice. If anyone should of got a card it should of been Veltmen with a red for violent conduct.
@@theone4808exactly and was trying to kick a rolling ball
How could it be yellow when the referee had ignored multiple instances of the same offence by Brighton players earlier in the match?
Why does the application of the rules suddenly change?
Regardless of the right or wrong ref ruling,bonehead move(nibbling the ball )by Rice deserve the Red
Veltman threw the ball at him...
@@zeqton letter of the law, he took the freekick then?
@@HYPRpotions Veltman got up and quickly kicked the ball into the back of Rice's legs when Rice was walking away. As far as I'm concerned, Veltman had taken the freekick and if he hadn't, then you can't take a freekick if the ball is removing.
@@marsx5886 essentially yes, the ball was stationary and on the exact location of where the ref blew the whistle.
Let me ask you some simple questions since you are so adamant to follow the rules of the book
1) Players don't put the ball in free kick position by kicking it. Veltzman did so is that even legit?
2) Are you allowed to take a free kick with rolling ball?
3) Joao Pedro kicked the ball 40 yrds away and did not get yellow. Can you explain?
4) Hinslewood pulled back Saka + hits him in the face twice(He did not get booked even once). Is that a red?
5) Ben White's shot was going in and Dunk's arm stopped a certain goal. Can you explain why is that not a penalty?