One problem, for certain niche uses: Just last Friday I went to San Francisco to see a concert. I took my RX10iv and on the way in was asked, "Is that a detachable lens?" I answered, "No" and was allowed to take it into the show, where I got some great shots from my seat. The non-detachable lens has allowed me to get my camera into a number of shows where the a6700 would not be allowed. I know this is a real niche use case, but for some of us it is a significant factor.
Thank you for this video! I do the same style of photography as you, and weight and cost are an issue. At the same time, I’d like something with modern focusing capabilities for the reasons you mentioned, Thanks for offering your experience and analysis. It really helps me think through some things.
Or alternatively if you want to stay with a bridge camera then you go for a Panasonic FZ2500 instead of messing about with an APSC camera with over-sized lens
Thanks for this really useful video. I was thinking of buying a larger sensor camera such as the A6700, which is superb. However I use 24mm a lot, and regularly take holidays and one day coach trips where the A6700 with zoom would be just too big and uncomfortable to travel with, and the price is also just too much of a stretch financially. I picked up an RX10vi nearly new, with a whole bunch of accessories - flash, microphone, spare battery and leads, for £900, and I'm glad I did. It's amazing how this camera does so much, and performs so well, for the price. Recently I have been taking some moon shots (1/100th sec/F6.3/ISO100) using full zoom and tripod which, with the help of the latest software, have come out amazingly well for a 1" sensor.
@StephenIngraham interesting point. It has two options for face and eye tracking - "human" and "animal", the latter works pretty well. In good light with a tripod i can get some superb bird shots
@@lumbarsupport Animal tracking specifically does not work for birds…or if it works it is an accident. According to Sony sources, the animal program was not trained on birds and was not meant to work with birds. It was trained on cats and dogs…and only works for other mammals as and when :) That does not mean that you can’t shoot birds with the camera…if just relies on its normal hybrid focus which is excellent. The newer AI powered focus systems are better…more keepers in more difficult situations, but the Rx10iv is still very good.
I have been disappointed with the results with the OM1 and the OM 100-400 , often soft images, it can give very sharp images but us very inconsistent, I too was considering trying the lumix leica 100-400. I am just back from a two week holiday in North West Australia, restricted on luggage , I took my RX 10iv and my phone, it is still a great camera, autofocus fast and sharp. A fantastic travel option.
When the a6700 was announced I was curious. I was looking at the A7R5, but that is one expensive beast. When the specs were released, I soon realized the a6700 was a mini version of the A7R5. Sold. It met and exceeded my expectations. One has to try out the a6700 to fully realize what a jewel it is. Plus, the sheer number of 1st and 3rd party lenses made for the Sony E-mount make it the overall winner. I am really glad I chose Sony over Nikon, Canon and the rest. It just felt right in the hand and blew me away in performance. And here I am, a Nikon person in the 70s and 80s. Sony really going nuts with their camera line.
Well done! I’m often tempted by a used Rx10iv. Image quality is quite good and I love the zoom range. That said, I also like the option of the a6700 and the 75-350. Not too sure of how weather resistant this combo may be in comparison. RX10iv seems quite weatherproof, albeit not perhaps like OM. The overall connivence factor of the Rx10 is a big plus…so a bit of a trade off as you covered so well. I often do long hikes so less weight and volume is key as well. Both options seem similar, albeit the 6700 and lens bigger by a bit when traveling.
The Lumix/Panasonic FZ 1000 Mk2 is still available from B&H for about $900. It has a one-inch sensor, 25-400mm lens with a digital I-zoom reach of 800mm that works quite well. This is a great travel camera and capable of entry level bird photography. That said, I'm sorry to hear the RX 10 Mark 4 is being discontinued.
The Lumix is a good camera, but still no bird recognition or eye-tracking focus. I agree that nothing matches the Rx10iv for an all around travel camera, but or birds and wildlife, which is my primary use. I really want the more sophisticated focus. :)
Interesting analysis! To me the great advantages of RX10 IV is not while using it but when transporting it. The lens retracts into a fairly compact camera and I don't need another lens to cover the full zoom range. When in use I don't mind a bigger combo - actually it can be an advantage ergonomically (as you also say in the video). I'll "always" hope for a RX10 V though with the new AF-functions of other Sony cameras. It's frustrating - they obviously could do a MK V with fairly little effort after implementing the upgraded AF in bunch of other cameras. When it comes to options weight and size get increasingly important as I get older. I started with a Canon film body and 400mm, then a Canon AF film body with a 35-350 (versatile, but not enough reach) and then a Canon crop with a first generation 100-400mm. A good combo at the time but still heavy and BIF was challenging. I switched to MFT when Canon didn't want to take mirrorless seriously and for the smaller sensor/higher pixel density. First combo was the original Olympus E-M5 with 16MP and a Panasonic 100-300mm. This worked surprisingly well when the AF got it right. Not too often wit BIF but with more stationary birds it wasn't too difficult to work around its limitations. And it's the most compact bird-combo I've had except for the RX10. I've never compared IQ to the RX10 though as I now have the Panasonic 100-400 which is a clear upgrade and don't use the 100-300 much. I've been through two E-M1-bodies with gradually improving AF (and size). The (even bigger) OM-1 is the first "Olympus" body I've used with AF that's more or less good enough for BIF. Also, much better at finding birds and other subjects in cluttered environments. I know Sony and Canon AF is even better but not enough better to make me switch systems. OM-1 Mk II is supposed to have improved AF and the latest Panasonic bodies have PD AF too so there are several MFT-options that give fairly compact combos. Still waiting for a E-M5-sized body with the latest AF though. Btw, got to try the Olympus 150-400 Pro and it's an extremely good lens but huge and heavy compared to a 100-300 or 100-400. Not something I could carry around a whole day and internal zoom makes it fixed length and as big even when not in use.
If you carry a scope and binoculars the RX10 iv is the limit on size and weight I can carry comfortably. It’s very disappointing that there isn’t an RX10 v upgrade in the same similar design Nb The as6700 only shoots at 11fps but the RX10 shoots at 24
Mr. Ingraham, did you ever try the panasonic lumix g leica dg vario-elmar 100-400mm on your OM-1? I know the lens stabilization will not work; but the 7 stops in the body should still work. It is weather resistant & very sharp.
Would you recommend 6700 + tamron lens over the Olympus kit? I’m shooting mostly birds and wildlife and my hit rate with om-1 mark 1 isn’t that great with getting the eye in focus. I might miss pro capture, focus bracketing for macro but I might be tempted to switch for more in focus shots.
I like it better, but I miss the OM-1’s focus stacking. I think the Tamron is better than the OM 100-400, but I am sure the OM 150-400 f4.5 is better than either. I just can’t afford the 150-400. :)
Lmfao thanks for making this video 😂 that's so funny, I always thought the a6700 is my dream camera do upgrade from my RX10 IV. Therefore I can fully agree with you that's you really cool look at it that way.
Hi Stephen, used your settings to set up my Rx10mk4 which I've had for just over a year. Love the camera to bits but am thinking of the Sony A6700. My only concern is the off centre viewfinder. How have you found it? Im right eye dominant and thought would it feel strange balance wise.
A friend made me realize that an off center viewfinder fogs up less when you take photos in lower temps and breathe (I trained myself to hold my breath meanwhile…)
My whole reason for switching was the AI subject recognition and eye tracking auto focus. The 6100 does not have that. Look at a used 6700 and used Sony E 70-350 for a less expensive option.
I find your single mention of the fabulous OM-1 to be, from my perspective, questionable. Your video goes on about the A6700, but hardly any mention of your OM-1. With occasional use of words like "Magical" (for Sony) thrown in for good measure. Have you tried the OM-1 Mkii? What were your results from the OM-1? You seem fixated on Sony. Feel free to elaborate.
I owned and used both the OM-1 and the OM-1Mkii with the M.Zuiko 100-400, and tested it with the 150-600. My conclusion was that to get the best performance out of the OM System you need to invest in the pro lenses…which are just too expensive for my budget, and the one I would really want, the 150-400 is simply way out of my reach. I switched to Sony to get a wider selection of lenses. As it happens the Sony has more dynamic range…which is noticeable to my eye, and a more pleasing overall look to the finished photos…again to my eye, at least with the lenses I can afford. :)
Before you attack people, make sure you don't look like a fool. This is a video about Sony, why would he talk about Olympus? You want to know more about the OM-1, find a video about it.
One problem, for certain niche uses: Just last Friday I went to San Francisco to see a concert. I took my RX10iv and on the way in was asked, "Is that a detachable lens?" I answered, "No" and was allowed to take it into the show, where I got some great shots from my seat. The non-detachable lens has allowed me to get my camera into a number of shows where the a6700 would not be allowed. I know this is a real niche use case, but for some of us it is a significant factor.
Thanks for sharing!
That’s knowledgeable security. I once got told off for shooting a concert over a fence with „professional camera” with the RX10 😂
I’m looking to upgrade from the RX10 and you literally answered all my questions. So helpful! I love the internet.
@@choyna Glad I could help.
Thank you for this video! I do the same style of photography as you, and weight and cost are an issue. At the same time, I’d like something with modern focusing capabilities for the reasons you mentioned, Thanks for offering your experience and analysis. It really helps me think through some things.
Glad to help!
Excellent analysis, as always. I will certainly take your advice when I feel the need to upgrade from my RX10iv.
Glad to help
Or alternatively if you want to stay with a bridge camera then you go for a Panasonic FZ2500 instead of messing about with an APSC camera with over-sized lens
Thanks for this really useful video. I was thinking of buying a larger sensor camera such as the A6700, which is superb. However I use 24mm a lot, and regularly take holidays and one day coach trips where the A6700 with zoom would be just too big and uncomfortable to travel with, and the price is also just too much of a stretch financially. I picked up an RX10vi nearly new, with a whole bunch of accessories - flash, microphone, spare battery and leads, for £900, and I'm glad I did. It's amazing how this camera does so much, and performs so well, for the price. Recently I have been taking some moon shots (1/100th sec/F6.3/ISO100) using full zoom and tripod which, with the help of the latest software, have come out amazingly well for a 1" sensor.
:) Great camera. Too bad they don’t just add subject detection and eye-tracking for birds.
@StephenIngraham interesting point. It has two options for face and eye tracking - "human" and "animal", the latter works pretty well. In good light with a tripod i can get some superb bird shots
@@lumbarsupport Animal tracking specifically does not work for birds…or if it works it is an accident. According to Sony sources, the animal program was not trained on birds and was not meant to work with birds. It was trained on cats and dogs…and only works for other mammals as and when :) That does not mean that you can’t shoot birds with the camera…if just relies on its normal hybrid focus which is excellent. The newer AI powered focus systems are better…more keepers in more difficult situations, but the Rx10iv is still very good.
I have been disappointed with the results with the OM1 and the OM 100-400 , often soft images, it can give very sharp images but us very inconsistent, I too was considering trying the lumix leica 100-400.
I am just back from a two week holiday in North West Australia, restricted on luggage , I took my RX 10iv and my phone, it is still a great camera, autofocus fast and sharp. A fantastic travel option.
Thanks for sharing
where is the 24-600mm?
Yes you do not get that but I’d your primary focus is birds and wildlife the 70-350 or Tamron 50-400 does well.
When the a6700 was announced I was curious. I was looking at the A7R5, but that is one expensive beast. When the specs were released, I soon realized the a6700 was a mini version of the A7R5. Sold. It met and exceeded my expectations. One has to try out the a6700 to fully realize what a jewel it is. Plus, the sheer number of 1st and 3rd party lenses made for the Sony E-mount make it the overall winner. I am really glad I chose Sony over Nikon, Canon and the rest. It just felt right in the hand and blew me away in performance. And here I am, a Nikon person in the 70s and 80s. Sony really going nuts with their camera line.
:)
Well done! I’m often tempted by a used Rx10iv. Image quality is quite good and I love the zoom range. That said, I also like the option of the a6700 and the 75-350. Not too sure of how weather resistant this combo may be in comparison. RX10iv seems quite weatherproof, albeit not perhaps like OM. The overall connivence factor of the Rx10 is a big plus…so a bit of a trade off as you covered so well. I often do long hikes so less weight and volume is key as well. Both options seem similar, albeit the 6700 and lens bigger by a bit when traveling.
Thank you.
The Lumix/Panasonic FZ 1000 Mk2 is still available from B&H for about $900. It has a one-inch sensor, 25-400mm lens with a digital I-zoom reach of 800mm that works quite well. This is a great travel camera and capable of entry level bird photography. That said, I'm sorry to hear the RX 10 Mark 4 is being discontinued.
The Lumix is a good camera, but still no bird recognition or eye-tracking focus. I agree that nothing matches the Rx10iv for an all around travel camera, but or birds and wildlife, which is my primary use. I really want the more sophisticated focus. :)
Interesting analysis! To me the great advantages of RX10 IV is not while using it but when transporting it. The lens retracts into a fairly compact camera and I don't need another lens to cover the full zoom range. When in use I don't mind a bigger combo - actually it can be an advantage ergonomically (as you also say in the video). I'll "always" hope for a RX10 V though with the new AF-functions of other Sony cameras. It's frustrating - they obviously could do a MK V with fairly little effort after implementing the upgraded AF in bunch of other cameras.
When it comes to options weight and size get increasingly important as I get older. I started with a Canon film body and 400mm, then a Canon AF film body with a 35-350 (versatile, but not enough reach) and then a Canon crop with a first generation 100-400mm. A good combo at the time but still heavy and BIF was challenging. I switched to MFT when Canon didn't want to take mirrorless seriously and for the smaller sensor/higher pixel density.
First combo was the original Olympus E-M5 with 16MP and a Panasonic 100-300mm. This worked surprisingly well when the AF got it right. Not too often wit BIF but with more stationary birds it wasn't too difficult to work around its limitations. And it's the most compact bird-combo I've had except for the RX10. I've never compared IQ to the RX10 though as I now have the Panasonic 100-400 which is a clear upgrade and don't use the 100-300 much.
I've been through two E-M1-bodies with gradually improving AF (and size). The (even bigger) OM-1 is the first "Olympus" body I've used with AF that's more or less good enough for BIF. Also, much better at finding birds and other subjects in cluttered environments. I know Sony and Canon AF is even better but not enough better to make me switch systems. OM-1 Mk II is supposed to have improved AF and the latest Panasonic bodies have PD AF too so there are several MFT-options that give fairly compact combos. Still waiting for a E-M5-sized body with the latest AF though.
Btw, got to try the Olympus 150-400 Pro and it's an extremely good lens but huge and heavy compared to a 100-300 or 100-400. Not something I could carry around a whole day and internal zoom makes it fixed length and as big even when not in use.
Thanks for this.
If you carry a scope and binoculars the RX10 iv is the limit on size and weight I can carry comfortably.
It’s very disappointing that there isn’t an RX10 v upgrade in the same similar design
Nb The as6700 only shoots at 11fps but the RX10 shoots at 24
I never use high frame rates anyway…even for BIF or rapid action…I find that I get too many almost identical frames to sort through. Just me.
Mr. Ingraham, did you ever try the panasonic lumix g leica dg vario-elmar 100-400mm on your OM-1? I know the lens stabilization will not work; but the 7 stops in the body should still work. It is weather resistant & very sharp.
I have never had a chance to try it.
Would you recommend 6700 + tamron lens over the Olympus kit? I’m shooting mostly birds and wildlife and my hit rate with om-1 mark 1 isn’t that great with getting the eye in focus. I might miss pro capture, focus bracketing for macro but I might be tempted to switch for more in focus shots.
I like it better, but I miss the OM-1’s focus stacking. I think the Tamron is better than the OM 100-400, but I am sure the OM 150-400 f4.5 is better than either. I just can’t afford the 150-400. :)
Lmfao thanks for making this video 😂 that's so funny, I always thought the a6700 is my dream camera do upgrade from my RX10 IV. Therefore I can fully agree with you that's you really cool look at it that way.
Glad you liked it!
Exactly, I just sold my RX10 IV. I'm going to get the A6700 with 70-350.
@ Hope you enjoy it. :)
Hi Stephen, used your settings to set up my Rx10mk4 which I've had for just over a year. Love the camera to bits but am thinking of the Sony A6700. My only concern is the off centre viewfinder. How have you found it? Im right eye dominant and thought would it feel strange balance wise.
It took me about a week to get used to it. Now I don’t notice it anymore at all. Even on BIF.
@@StephenIngraham Thanks for that.
A friend made me realize that an off center viewfinder fogs up less when you take photos in lower temps and breathe (I trained myself to hold my breath meanwhile…)
@ Never thought of that. :)
FYI. The RX10 is discontinued. Grab it if you see one
Unofficial rumor as yet, but likely true.
Everything so expensive. Maybe a 6100 with that lens?
My whole reason for switching was the AI subject recognition and eye tracking auto focus. The 6100 does not have that. Look at a used 6700 and used Sony E 70-350 for a less expensive option.
This man seems to have lots of money to spend!
I find your single mention of the fabulous OM-1 to be, from my perspective, questionable. Your video goes on about the A6700, but hardly any mention of your OM-1.
With occasional use of words like "Magical" (for Sony) thrown in for good measure.
Have you tried the OM-1 Mkii? What were your results from the OM-1? You seem fixated on Sony. Feel free to elaborate.
I owned and used both the OM-1 and the OM-1Mkii with the M.Zuiko 100-400, and tested it with the 150-600. My conclusion was that to get the best performance out of the OM System you need to invest in the pro lenses…which are just too expensive for my budget, and the one I would really want, the 150-400 is simply way out of my reach. I switched to Sony to get a wider selection of lenses. As it happens the Sony has more dynamic range…which is noticeable to my eye, and a more pleasing overall look to the finished photos…again to my eye, at least with the lenses I can afford. :)
Before you attack people, make sure you don't look like a fool. This is a video about Sony, why would he talk about Olympus? You want to know more about the OM-1, find a video about it.
Rx10 iv vince ancora anche con a6700... All'appello mancano le focali equivalenti da 24mm a 75mm....rx10 iv rimane tutt'ora la miglior all in one.
Without a doubt, unless your subjects are mostly birds and wildlife, then the AI focus becomes more important.