I am pretty sure nexat payed this guy to do such a crappy criticism. That way he ridicule all the criticism of this machine. He actually promotes this machine, through ridiculous criticism.
I get that this video was overly negative. At first, I was very hyped about the idea of some major change in the on-field ag, but then I did some actual research on the Nexat, and the way they did the "revolution" simply isn't that great. Hence the nature of the vid. When you look at my channel though, I am 110% positive about new stuff in most (maybe 99%) of the cases.
Apparently, the concept behind it was still not understood by some. With this system you always drive on the same track and compared to the usual tractors/harvester you don't have 4 tracks for 2 rows, only 3 - for 3 rows not 6, only 4 etc. This means that the lanes are compacted, getting stuck is therefore far less likely with this type of tracking. Theoretically you could also concrete the tracks. And one should also be able to distinguish between profit and yield, which Hitech Farmer here apparently cannot. And no, just because seeding is done on a wider machine does not mean that only 2 tracks are compacted with the tractor. Before that, manure may have been applied and cultivated, then seeded, then fertilizer applied, sprays, possibly rolled, groomed etc. and all on different tracks. The soil compaction is only removed after the harvest with a subsoiler or plough, so the crop yield is lower than possible over a large area. That is exactly what the statement from Nexat says.
oh and plowing increases yield since you turn the earth over and have the left over foliage under soil as fertillizer...this nexat makes no sense from the beginning...
@@NoYouAreNotDreaming No, because the attachments do not all have the same track width and there are therefore several lanes during the growth phase. And after plowing, there are often several field preparations before sowing. And after the sowing, several treatments and care take place and not all of them are always possible on the same lane width. This has nothing to do with GPS, but with the various attachments and tractors and the compaction after plowing, which can only be loosened again after the harvest. And yes, plowing increases yield, no one has ever said anything else and with that you are saying to yourself that the Nexat has an advantage here - even if you don't want to believe it 😄
This guy gets it. Nexat is ctf farming but on the next level!! Not only is it only 2 tracks, it uses the same track again once it turns around. Even in ctf with 3m tractors etc you still have wheels on the implements etc. And unless these deniers have been and experienced a proper CTF operation they won’t understand any of the concepts. The tracks become like roads, better traffic-ability, less fuel consumption due to less slip. You wouldn’t drive on grandma’s rose bed, why drive all over your own
CTF on this size is already a popular thing we do it here in aussie We are running 13.5 metre machines on 3m wheel or track widths so we run on the same tracks every year
This video is full of ridiculous comments with little real counter facts. It does not replace every tractor the farmer has, harvest output transport is still needed, so the story about getting stuck without a tractor is just crap. The tracks are capable of pulling the tractor so attaching towing in the track support should be a good option. The fact that it drives "sideways" compared to a normal tractor could actually mean that it is less likely to get stuck, because both ends in mud is less likely then it happening to a normal harvester or tractor. It also can be remote controlled so getting unstuck could be easier, because it is possible to walk around the unit when trying to steer it out of the mud.
Certainly. Maybe “high tech farmer” needs to be get his head out of the sand and looking possibilities provided by this technology. Maybe he needs to reconsider his name. “I am blind” could be a good option?
Your wrong 1. 260 kWh per e Motor . Point 2 you didnt get Stuck because you Drive every year the Same ctf... ! Point 3 the Harvester Made 150tonns/h in wheat. Point 4 they have a väderstad Spirit module and a Weinhoff slurry module too. Point 5 its is in a Testing phase
The second I heard you say the electric drives have 160kwh, I knew that you do not know the engineering behind this thing. Diesel electric is the best option for a moveable machine like this. The other options are hydrostatic which is inefficient and has the potential to leak massive amounts of hydraulic fluid. Or shaft drive. But how would you route those shafts? Just how many transmissions would that take? Also CVTs are not simple things. Diesel electric is actually very simple mechanically. Also efficient.
@@denzzlinga But in this case, neither would be that interesting. A Battery Hybrid (Plug in Hybrid in car therms) makes sense in passenger vehicles for road driving, as they brake a lot. Regenerating the kinetic energy that would be lost to heat during braking makes a lot of sense for efficiency. This is a tractor. Once you are pulling a plow on a field, you do no longer think about brakes. You are already dragging a literal anchor behind you. The demand on the drivetrain is vastly different. The hydrogen hybrid is not that useful either. There either is or isn't hydrogen near the field. If there is and the economics make sense, why not fully power it with H₂?
@@linux_doggo Pretty much yes. Not exactly the same thing because the engines can't react to sudden power demand as quickly but yes its a electric tractor running off diesel generator(s).
Hello, I am an agronomist from Ukraine. I have watched Nexat work more than once, it does a great job with operations. As for when he will get stuck, it is very difficult to achieve this. Drove it over raw ground with a full hopper of corn at 20% moisture and went up the hill with no effort. By the way, one of our farmers has already purchased a serial machine.
prototype is prototype, they are still testing the system, to find problems and then solve them. they are not even for sale in the same way as normal tractors, only sold to farms they can work with to get in data on the performance and solve problem. - towing: you tow it in same way as you do with catamaran boats, you have a rope a cross the tractor and one rope going to the tractor towing. only need one tractor for that. And yes you can attach the tow cable to either the fram or the frame holding the track/wheel, they are dimensioned for that. If they wasn't they would be able to hold the Nexat, you are not using that much power to get it out of the mud as you think. - getting stuck: everybody talks about that... and all I hear is bullshit. Other tractors is also getting stuck, so when it is muddy enough the Nexat to get stuck, other tractors would also. They are even testing them in Ukraine, that is know for their mudds... and they have no problem there at all. When you see a large Big Bud tractor get stuck with 6 wheels... then anyone can get stuck - Parts, it use standards parts from other manufacture, engine problem, go to the engine manufacturer (CAT, Deutzh, etc.), Harvester problem, go to the company producing that harvester. combine problem, go to the company factory that produce the combine. All Nexat is doing, it building a frame and add all those component together and get them to talk together, normal service people fix problems as it is done today with any other tractors. - Soil compaction it is correct as what Nexat is saying, but it goes way over your head, it easy to see that from this video, it have less foot print than any other normal tractor with towed equipment, even with that tractor with that planter you showed, count the numbers of tires on the frame... they are all compacting the soil. - all Nexat test vehicle is 45 feet wide, but they are delivering them from 20 to 80 feet wide. So just looking at the prototype and call it small... are you weird - That video showing they are multiple people when they are emptying the harvester/combine. It's a prototype, they are keeping an eye on everything during testing. Normally it's two person, one in the Nexat and one in the tractor/truck. Even when other big companies come with a new combine, they can be 5-10 people watching and testing a new combine for 1-4 years. - Automation, it have only gone a year..... and it is still a prototype. It take a lot of work to make a system work automatically, and Nexat is a small company. Even Tesla used years on their autopilot program and that for driving on a road. Nexat is going to drive on road and in the field automatically, it have to monitor and adjust automatically, it have to empty it's tanks automatically, etc. that will take years to develop. Even big tractor companies like Fendt have talked about AI-controlled tractors and tested a few ideas, but they have yet to introduce it, because they are not done developing it yet, after several years. - power output: that is the normal way to do it, even Normal harvester does that, but only on 2 wheels.... nothing special I suggest stop embarrassing your self and just delet this video. In stead look at what you get from the plattform, perhaps do proper research, then base on what you see on videos and what other people are saying, without even been there seen it live, tested it, etc. Go talk with the company and farmers that is testing the system, etc. that is called proper work, some anyone putting out a video should do, before say something stupid, and later find out that all you said was utter garbage, but a now marked as an idiot, for rest of your life. Nexat is a proven plattform some are still in prototype stage and based on old technology, just re-introduced with new ideas and improvements. Good luck with your life, and I hope for your sake, that you do better research next time. If you was to do this video properly, you would contact Nexat, plan a meeting with them, test the system, and talk with farmers that is driving the prototype of it. There is only prototype our there, none of the version that is actually going to farmers.
Thanks for the in-depth comment! You've made some good points that I agree with, e.g. the parts. But for example, soil compaction has other solutions than buying a Nexat... You can buy thin tires, use autosteer, and also drive in the same lanes year after year = same results as Nexat. Or, you can just ball out on some good lookin' LSW's which also noticeably limit soil compaction. (although, of course, not that much as not driving over the soil at all) Anyways, I get that it's a prototype, and I believe that what the father and son Kalverkamp are doing is honorable and actually very important. The main goal of this vid was to satirically point out what should be improved before they release it. Overall, I would actually buy it, because it's one of the coolest-looking things out there. But I don't believe that this is the path ag-development should be headed. Hope you have a great day!
You can clearly see you know nothing about farming. The list of everything wrong with this " tractor ". Smaller smarter tractor out shine this "tractor ".
@@andreauberti9294 there are a few videos around, but of my head, "welkers farms" have had their big buds stuck on more than one occasion, but they do have several big buds to pull anyone out with
I laughed at this too, I was waiting for him say something even more completely ridiculous. But then again just listen to him swear, it’s used by people with a weak argument to try and convince us that they are wise. How many people during Covid did the same when challenged about the vaccine or other things that could help like getting healthy?
Actually the Nexat Grain Tank holds over 1000 bushels and the X9 only 460 bushels. The unload auger has the same functions as a grain cart like individual unloading speed.
That capacity doesn't make any difference, since we unload on the move. It DOES make a massive difference because it will become so damn heavy! Wouldn't it make sense to have a 50 foot wide combine with one engine, instead of two? The X9 doesn't need 1100 horsepower, does it?
@@vernonspady555 The final models will be much longer, the reason the prototyp is only 50 feet is because, they are in Europe and have to use public road and are bound to the local road laws.
@@assassinlexx1993 thats just the thing, because u drive only on one place, u will compact it like concrete, this means that u can drive earlier and later in the season without problems instead of sinking in
Apparently this guy doesn't innerstand how tracks work if the track spins you are stuck so by rope chain or cable you secure the track from spinning unless you completely buried the machine it can and will drive itself out it is simple and easy as long as one has the necessary equipment ready not to mention knowing your field and planning with common sense never hurts. Now that being said this machine is not perfect and needs many changes yet but a combine will run 600,000 a large tractor will run you 450,000 to 600,000 a small tractor will run you 250,000 to 450,000 new like the Nexat and all are needed for the preparation of the soil and planting and harvesting not to mention all the necessary implements needed for the different stages of crop production and all get stuck and there is often no access to pull on the tractor that can have many times more than 1 implement attached to it and are very limited in the amount of rows due to transporting to different fields because of roads and bridges and power lines and so it is important to note the Nexat is tackling the cost of leasing and insuring and maintaining and storing many multiples of equipment and crop row production and transporting equipment to different fields
My father was of the age that witnessed the change from horses to tractors. I would liken his description of it to the same as that of computers becoming an everyday machine for everyone. Early resistance because of cost and unknown complexity. Consumers being swindled by, well, the usual types that steal from people. Those that took the training and invested the money on tractors never turned back. Those that didn't saw their farm incomes drop so badly they not longer could survive farming. But, that doesn't mean that this machine looks like a good idea to me. Other than being big, it doesn't really address any existing issue in farming. It also adds a huge amount of technology in an area with very harsh environments. I'm afraid that to me, it is a case of building something because it could be built, but not because it improves on the current technology. Time will tell if it survives in the market place of new ideas.
I love TH-cam videos made by people running things down. Question, can you please tell me who you are and your qualifications and what have you designed and built from scratch?
Heard someone on a podcast talking about an automated fleet of 60hp tractors with 4 row/12' planters being controlled centrally and stepping away from a few million dollar setups. scale it all back to small machines and if one goes down you have 8 more that continue going.
How do you get less compaction with a big drill. Can your combine also only drive in the same tracks? It is not only when drilling and spraying that you need to drive en the same tracks. It is every machine that should only drive in the tracks, for years, and then you can get the benefits.
You seem to be a fan of John Deere, what are your thoughts on their "Right To Repair" issues and their overpriced parts? Source: a lot of upset farmers in my area who are tired of being taken advantage of but still won't buy anything but JD
I kinda like the design. I am sure there are bugs in the new product. If the unit continually tracks in the same spot, then soil compaction will keep it from getting stuck. In the US many farmers have non-connected tracks of land. They either unhook their heads going from field to field or get folding heads. I think this unit is a time saver.
No one has thought about spare parts. Um... They're prototypes, not production units. Of course there's no spare part supply yet. How many prototypes have a full inventory of replacement parts?
plans for the future, and you think this is going to be in a year?! idk were al your logic is man, but this guy is talking so much bs and hamering on what is wrong, but not telling what is right.
It was a little shallow, a rant usually is. Source for saying their estimates for yield increase is shit; "trust me bro" Reliability and parts accessibility problems; "trust me bro"
As long as its on a combine it wont be as much of a problem, been there done that. Not saying it will be easy but possible. On framed tractors, with cardan shaft driven gearbox, its also doable. Thing is is it worth the effort?
my take is that the cab is just here as a afterthought as soon as the thing is reliable and good automation software is available the cab will disappear and the huge companies buying farmlands here in Europe will be farming huge surfaces with hardly any workers involved with all that implies/
The plan is:it’s supposed to be completely automated, in the near future. I don’t really think it will ever catch on. Current designs are proven. Combines are currently a very good design, for speed and mobility. So good that zero turn mowers were designed after them.
The amount of people who need to be told that electric technology like this hauls trains is astonishing. My old PE teacher once said he would never buy an electric vehicle because it "wouldn't tow his camper."
00:35 "160 kWh is approximately 217 HP" you're comparing energy to power. 01:00 every tractor can get stuck, what's your point ...? 02:06 you would turn the wheels into transport configuration and pull from the side. Or you would just not drive the expensive machine into deep mud like a random TH-camr might try. 02:38 *reads a quote, disagrees, refuses to elaborate* 03:17 you're applying first grade math to a very complex problem. Effects in the real world are not linear. 03:35 doing fewer passes could mean less soil compaction, but only if the tractor runs on the same track with all the different machines. Which is not realistic. The seeder is very wide, but not all of the machines are, so the tractor would have to run all over the field, compacting *every* lane eventually. 04:09 you miss the point entirely. Erosion on flat fields happens because of wind blowing the soil away. Soil compaction leaves a flat, hard, dry surface. 04:35 they don't need to focus on automating the process of changing modules because it's absolutely not essential. It's not critical for its function, so they wouldn't waste investment money on it at this stage. 05:12 five people are overwatching the prototype. They are engineering it, so they need to inspect things. Get it? No? ok. 05:20 there are plenty of large machines that have one operator, but it's not like the world ends when things break down. There are maintenance services like for any other machine. And if the machine is very efficient, you could afford to put two operators on it to help each other with trouble. 05:25 "no one has talked about spare parts or serviceability" - so what's your point? What makes you think there's any trouble about that point? 05:39 according to you, nothing should've ever been invented because the random person who did it first could erect a monopoly. You're basically trying to bully somebody out for their success. 05:44 what's your point with the system having AI in it? it's for safety, so what? 05:52 indoors onfield agriculture. wow, nobody has heard of it before because it doesn't make any sense at all. 06:26 ... incompetence. There you go. You're welcome.
the point is it wont get stuck because you arent supposed to drive in wet concitions with any machine if its this or a normal tractor when its to wet to drive on a field than stay home or go to a different field also on the maintenence "if something breaks your fckd and they havent given any info about spare parts" well ofcourse there arent any spare parts on the market yet because its in the PROTOTYPE state still surely when it gets officially released in bigger quantities it will have spare parts
how farming is "supposed to" work, and how it actually works are two very different things. If you just walked away every time the situation wasn't ideal, you would never get anything done.
They take their number from Australia where CTF is more common, the machine have many good features theirs many good ideas they got. Good part, is that maybe it’s will push big compagnie to improve their combine weight distribution and not only put 500 bushel capacity on a combine who’s got 80% weight on front axles. Tribune solve the problem by removing the grain tank and put it behind the combine on a articulated chassis.
A lot of critic, but you've only looked at it from an American point of view. In Europe the situation is much different because the lands are more expensive. Therefor soil improvment like drainage is very common, this also avoids machines getting stuck. Also agriculture is more intensive as in America, with normaly 2-3 grow/harvest cycles. Only for real good products you get paid well, so maintenance of the crops and use of biocides are widespread, used often, but due to the price also minimised by techniek. That's where a machine as NEXAT comes handy. You forgot to mention that after 3 years of testing, now only the first machines have made it to America. That's no accident because the machine is developed and manufactured in Europe, Germany, especialy for the European market
Do you know anything about farming those are trades that they use on normal tractors and then go through mud of 26 ft deep and I have no issues with mud and if they get stuck they've got something bigger to pull it out with
Some of these criticisms are accurate, some aren't. I think the HP figures are just plain silly. The only time I have seen anyone anyone actually use 1000hp on a tractor was with a plow that was larger than the length of the nexat. Getting stuck in the mud is a non issue for a lot of farms in the first place, but even if it was, you should be able to yank it by the gantry just fine. The diesel electric traction system is fine. If people would stop bitching about it, it is cheaper and easier to maintain than hydrostatic drive. The price is a problem, but not as much of a problem when you realize that a combine prices are nearing the same price tag. I think if you looked at this thing as an over priced combine that can sort of do some other tasks in a pinch, it makes a lot more sense than a 1 size fits all machine. But I completely agree that the gen 2 model needs to be half the horsepower and half the cost for it to be viable.
The XBR2 Bi-Rotor VPS Versatile Power System (read The Dream Reaper book) built in 1993 and 12 of 17 patents sold to John Deere in 1995 was more viable for Planting, Spraying and Harvesting. They bought and put it on the Back Burner so farmers would have to buy X 3 engines, and cabs and power trains and tires for their sprayers, tractors and combines. More $ for their stockholder incomes. 🥴
@@hitechfarmersebNeXat will have to continue to develop the neXat with plans and intentions of putting it into their own production and marketing process. If it grows to be successful then there will be an opportunity for them to sell it to a major world wide manufacturer.
On the note of the Bi-Rotor, John Deere basically blackmailed Wagner tractors company into not producing tractors and being as unfair as they were. Really cool to see Big Bud tractors are they are the most powerful out there. AND Big Equipment is going to produce tractors again without all the overpriced Technology.
The Bi-Rotor co rotation concave does generate more centrifugal force because you have the cage speed plus the mat speed for a V Squared exponential increase in Fc because of the added velocity. Dynamic vane angles and 360 degree separation are added benefits of the co-rotational concave. Feeding is better with BOTH the concave and rotor drawing crop in from the feeder house throat.
As a concept, it's a interesting take on a multi function piece of equipment. However, farming is not all that gentle on equipment or are fields always in ideal conditions for such a complex machine to operate in. On top of which, will pieces be interchangeable so if the one you have breaks down. Can you get off the shelf parts easily or will the part you need have to be manufactured first? Then there is what I'm thinking is a fault in that it doesn't look like it can tow a trailer. Why is that a fault, well in many multi hundred acre/hectare farms the tractors tow being in a single pass: planter, seed hopper/tender, fertilizer spreader (if liquid, a tender tank). And this machine looks like it has all of those things, as individual units that must be changed for each use. So that would mean a twelve hour day of planting, will turn into another twelve hour day of fertilizing instead of just moving on to another field for planting. It's a nice looking piece don't get me wrong on that. I think it's more of a niche solution seeking a highly specific problem that so far is filled, not perfectly but filled none the less, by other machines.
You have the same problem now with conventional stuff as well. If a machine breaks down you have to call a tech, you could get the part if it is in stock, but quite often it is a sensor and you can't marry it to the tractor's serialized system without having it blessed by the manufacturer... (IE, their tech has to come out, plug in to the tractor and tell the computer "Oh it is okay.") There is a reason Right to Repair has been a teething point for John Deere, CNH and Agco.
this concept of the all in one tractor has already been tried in the Uni-System unitractor. They do their job. but theres a reason the tools and equipment are specialized. If you own it as a combine. well.. its a combine. its about as unique of equipment many farms will get. but the grunt work is done by tractors. a big problem currently is the fact that there arent enough of these things that A. any mechanic worth his weight could possibly get profficient and B. if you need to lease a seeder or combine head or sprayer, its completley proprietary mounting. Im all for innovation. but, let the combine combine. and the tractor tractor. you can have automated driving wihtout this long thing. anyway. hope they succeed... at least in breaking even.
There is no shortage of people who argue from the opposing view...mostly done for fame or fortune. This fellow got people to watch, so he did it for money.
Yes, I do farm. Hence the name - Hitech Farmer. I actually have a better idea: farm with a normal tractor or wait for the final version of the Nexat. This prototype might be on the right track (with a big emphasis on the "might"), but as of now, it's no good.
Wait but my tiny ass 12m tramlines with narrow 0.3m tramlines only amounts to 5% of the field being in tramlines! And I could easyily go up to 30m with 0.5m wide tramlines and that's like 3.3%!!!
If you have a 2 million dollar machine. Serviceability is 0 because you will have no money left over to pay for the parts which are probably unaffordable and unobtainable!!!!!! And by the chance that you do get it ........the time in waiting for the part that you need will shut down your entire field operation.......... and we all know time is money!!!!!!
It sounds like a spoof advert for the Nexat (tongue in cheek) however for Ukrainian sized wheat fields its more than likley a better option. As for big fields he obviouly never visited areas of France with 70+ hectare fields.
i think that the harvest and the sprayer modules can be very interesting for flat lands like the brazilian state of Mato Grosso and the great plains of America, in the end, this modules can be the biggest combine and sprayer ever made, but 2 million... With all this money you can basically bought all the "traditional equipment", with has much more capacity to do some other farming activities, but we need to support the company, they need money to improve and make this kind of machine cheaper, greetings from Brazil!
You are so wrong. Cost comparison on what it replaces, tractor, combine, sprayer, and all the accessories for that. And the modular nature making servicing easier. This will end up being the future of farming.
Yeah how does it work on hills and less than perfect conditions? I agree it needs a repair plan and parts. John Deere has all that figured out. I would think this is an ideal situation Agricultural Equipment.
A lot of money to waste in a world that wants to end commercial farming practices. Honest thougths, everyone in America should start growing their own food and end the need for commercial farms that damage the environment with their destructive, un-needed practices. I love thought that EVERYTHING "electric" is powered by a diesel generator. There is no such thing as electric vehicles, they are just gas by-product vehicles.
the reason its a hybrid is so it can have maximise the turning radius of the tracks while minimising its size as there is little drive train (no gearboxes, prop shafts and diffs) and depending on how efficient the generators are could be more efficient as there is minimal mechanical loss
@@justmatt510 And hybrid is fine as long as we can all agree it is not Electric. Using a Deisel generator means it is still gas powered. It can not run without the deisel fuel. Just like a Diesel Train. We don't call them hybrid or electric despite the fact they use giant diesel engines as generators that power the electricly powered motors for the wheels. But they don't run without the Deisel so they are Deisel trains. The NEXAT in that same regard is still just a Deisel machine. The left pushes their no more oil by 2030 or whatever, but electric powered things all need petrolium products to run, from deisel to lubricants, they are all fossil fuel derived and thus fossil fuels will be used for at least the next 50-100 years. The best combatant to climate change, is to end commercial farming practices that do massive damage to the land, envirnment, waterways, and climate more so then anything else. Best way to end it, is more people providing for themselves.
Funny how someone with obviously no experience in engineering or farming in the real world thinks, his opinion is worth spreading out. This whole video is pointless, unless he can prove, that his opinion has a foundation built of experience and real knowledge about the subject
wowowow hooold on there - this machine may be manure but the first minute of your video is so too. 1) diesel-electric drive-trains have been implemented on nearly every verhicle-type in existense. They probably took inspiration from the mining machinery which is similar in size and tonnage. It is far easier to get wires 50-100ft to these side-pods than having transmission-shafts. As much as the design may be flawed going diesel-electric was absolutely the right choice here. 2 - And this is a BIG red flag) Learn the difference between kW and kWh!!!!! kWh is NOT Power Output - it's accumulated power (stored power). 1 HorsePower = ~0.75 kiloWatts. Without 'hours'. If I leave a 1kW Engine running for 2 Hours it has produced 2kWh. Similarly, a 10kWh Battery can supply a 1kW-Motor for 10hrs, a 2kW-Motor for 5hrs and a 10kW-Motor for 1hour. Mixing kW and kWh up is like mixing up gallons and gallons per hour. Get this manure right! or people will (rightfully) assume you don't know what you are talking about.
The next decade is gonna see a lot of machines switching to electric final drives, it’s already well underway in construction. Do a lot of people have spare tractors sitting around? Or spare combines? If anything this seems like it would add more redundancy as you could pull a unit off of tillage to continue harvest if one had an issue. Obviously the devil is in the details, but acting like this causes a bunch of problems that don’t exist with tractors is just silly
The 4 tracks on the sides can turn 90 degrees, so it does not drive "sideways" anymore and the tracks are now front and back, the cabin turns to now look forward and it can now drive down the road with harvesting equipment and everything still attached, but raised out of the way.
Well, I'm bored and I kind of like this thing and am a fast typer, so here's a bunch of words. I'm certainly not going to say the thing is perfect, but I am more than alright with pointing out issues I find whenever people seem to inject negativity for its own sake. "I just love how they made it simple and efficient;" I know you are saying this sarcastically, but my response is not: welcome to the future. No, we will not always be able to fix every new electric or computerized thing (until we stop being stubborn and learn how, come on, kids are doing it). Electric technology, while not as simple, is getting all the more efficient by the day. And while the average person is not responsible for climate change (though should still try to treat the planet decently), at least the corporate farms that buy this pretending they care will be doing that little bit better. "This two million dollar mechanical masterpiece;" yes, that is how new technology comes out. It is going to be expensive, it is going to have teething troubles, and it is also going to be expensive. When technology is given time and finances to develop, then it can become more available and accessible to a wider market. I don't have that kind of money, never will, and believe that many people share this position, but then for the time being, it is not for me to deal with. Someone else can work out the teething issues. (And I will certainly give you this, I do not know how I would get it out of the mud. Then again, I haven't gotten anything stuck for decades, including my semi, so maybe someone needs to watch were they're driving.) "I don't agree with this statement;" I do not currently believe you have the qualifications necessary for me to worry about whether or not you agree with people who know what they are talking about. "They say this _can_ increase ... which _could_ translate;" this is a little bit of what I refer to as contract speak. Use vague enough terms that if people do not see the exact statistics presented, said people cannot sue for "false advertising." Not saying it's right, but it's the way everyone who has to sell anything by contract does it, for their own safety. "They are usually on pretty flat land ... not as much soil erosion;" I didn't really doubt you actually work in agriculture until this line. Flowing creeks are not the only form of erosion. Do you not have wind where you live, after weeks of no rain? Have you never cultivated or disced after a while with no rain? If you have, the dust clouds are rather unmistakable. That's erosion. That's layers of dirt from the flattest field you could have blowing away. Whether or not this machine can cut back on that, I now have to wonder if you personally realize what constitutes erosion. "They've been talking about these plans for the near future for a year now;" okay. The near future can be 5 years, who cares? 1 year certainly is. Technology takes significant lengths of time to develop, especially with how few people must be available for a project like this. This just seems to be nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. "And 5 people overwatching the situation;" they're testing new technology. They're watching it in case something goes wrong, or for what they could possibly improve. It's going to take the same two people it does today to unload. "Since it's an all in one, if it breaks down;" re: welcome to the future. "It's monopoly on the parts, and charge a bit extra;" this seems to be combining your failure to understand that new technology costs more with a failure to understand how vehicle parts searching goes. You need a part for a John Deere, you go to John Deere and pay $5 for something because it has their name stamped into it. You need a part for a Massey Ferguson, you go to the people with Massey parts and pay the price they ask. Bolts and wheels you can get from wherever, but practically any piece of machinery will have pieces that can only be replaced from its manufacturer. I don't want a monopoly or these exorbitant prices more than anyone else, but again, this is nothing unique to this thing. And one final knock in at AI, well that one I won't refute. It has a long way to go, and I'm not worried about when it will get there, only that until then it has been hijacked by people who think typing a few words into a prompt box makes them an artist (which steals the work of real, human artists). I presume you'd rather I didn't double the length of this with how much I could say about that John Deere concept. I see a few issues I'd have, and not just because I'm a Massey guy. I'm not going to say I'm any final matter anywhere. I'm not going to say that this thing is ever going to work, or even take off. Did anything ever happen with the Tri-bine or whatever that thing was called? It just feels like this video was thrown together, first draft, for the sake of putting something else down. I don't like that, and probably like responding in kind a little too much. I am of course hoping nothing I have said makes your day worse, which was not my intent, but to expand on some rather unfinished discussions that were started here. Have a nice night, and a lifetime of them to follow.
In his mind maybe. Don't you see that the man is typical townee and everything he presents has find on internet? Some things he said (even in other videos) are correct and true and have a lot of logique, but for his great income from TH-cam and our returns to his channel is for him better to be a bit negative and slightly arrogant or make fun from reality. Anyway he's not stupid, obviously is well educated, but looks like he physicly never exits his room to see real tractor, farm or field. ;-)
The future of farming has always been slavery. Before you get mad, if history repeats itself, the more advanced and efficient a society gets, the more likely it will turn to slavery.
I agree with everything you said, honestly. I live in Alberta, near BIG farms and machinery, and the Nexat has no advantages whatsoever. That poor thing can barely turn around. 50 feet wide? Big deal. Conventional machines are that big, and they corner like a sports car.
Yeah, well, that's my point. One of the main selling points of the company is that it's big. The thing is, that there are loads of machines that are as big as this. (The Nexat maybe has the biggest sprayer boom and grain tank capacity, but still...) All in all, Nexat doesn't make much sense to me.
I am pretty sure nexat payed this guy to do such a crappy criticism. That way he ridicule all the criticism of this machine. He actually promotes this machine, through ridiculous criticism.
Well, then go ahead and spend the million plus and tell us how profitable your farm is.
@@cameltanker1286 I think you didn't understand my comment. But I will do that.
@@Frank-xn8bs Let me know if he was right.
@@cameltanker1286 His criticism was actually an advertisement for the machine. Didn't you notice that? Are you going to buy it too ...?
@@Frank-xn8bs It's like showing absurdity by being absurd. I understand. I still agree with author that it needs more refinement.
If everyone was as negative as you we would still be farming with horses.
I get that this video was overly negative. At first, I was very hyped about the idea of some major change in the on-field ag, but then I did some actual research on the Nexat, and the way they did the "revolution" simply isn't that great. Hence the nature of the vid. When you look at my channel though, I am 110% positive about new stuff in most (maybe 99%) of the cases.
Ha ha! Maybe? But it does seem awfully complicated in my estimation.
There’s so many farming practices that if critiqued could have saved so much, ignoring issues only compounds them @Butch.
Amish and likewise seem to be doing fine
Go buy one then.
Apparently, the concept behind it was still not understood by some. With this system you always drive on the same track and compared to the usual tractors/harvester you don't have 4 tracks for 2 rows, only 3 - for 3 rows not 6, only 4 etc. This means that the lanes are compacted, getting stuck is therefore far less likely with this type of tracking. Theoretically you could also concrete the tracks.
And one should also be able to distinguish between profit and yield, which Hitech Farmer here apparently cannot.
And no, just because seeding is done on a wider machine does not mean that only 2 tracks are compacted with the tractor. Before that, manure may have been applied and cultivated, then seeded, then fertilizer applied, sprays, possibly rolled, groomed etc. and all on different tracks. The soil compaction is only removed after the harvest with a subsoiler or plough, so the crop yield is lower than possible over a large area. That is exactly what the statement from Nexat says.
with conventional tractor you also drive on same tracks since today there is this simple thing called GPS...
oh and plowing increases yield since you turn the earth over and have the left over foliage under soil as fertillizer...this nexat makes no sense from the beginning...
@@NoYouAreNotDreaming No, because the attachments do not all have the same track width and there are therefore several lanes during the growth phase. And after plowing, there are often several field preparations before sowing. And after the sowing, several treatments and care take place and not all of them are always possible on the same lane width.
This has nothing to do with GPS, but with the various attachments and tractors and the compaction after plowing, which can only be loosened again after the harvest.
And yes, plowing increases yield, no one has ever said anything else and with that you are saying to yourself that the Nexat has an advantage here - even if you don't want to believe it 😄
This guy gets it. Nexat is ctf farming but on the next level!! Not only is it only 2 tracks, it uses the same track again once it turns around. Even in ctf with 3m tractors etc you still have wheels on the implements etc.
And unless these deniers have been and experienced a proper CTF operation they won’t understand any of the concepts. The tracks become like roads, better traffic-ability, less fuel consumption due to less slip.
You wouldn’t drive on grandma’s rose bed, why drive all over your own
CTF on this size is already a popular thing we do it here in aussie
We are running 13.5 metre machines on 3m wheel or track widths so we run on the same tracks every year
This video is full of ridiculous comments with little real counter facts.
It does not replace every tractor the farmer has, harvest output transport is still needed, so the story about getting stuck without a tractor is just crap.
The tracks are capable of pulling the tractor so attaching towing in the track support should be a good option.
The fact that it drives "sideways" compared to a normal tractor could actually mean that it is less likely to get stuck, because both ends in mud is less likely then it happening to a normal harvester or tractor.
It also can be remote controlled so getting unstuck could be easier, because it is possible to walk around the unit when trying to steer it out of the mud.
Certainly. Maybe “high tech farmer” needs to be get his head out of the sand and looking possibilities provided by this technology. Maybe he needs to reconsider his name. “I am blind” could be a good option?
yea its like a John Deere commercial
Your wrong 1. 260 kWh per e Motor . Point 2 you didnt get Stuck because you Drive every year the Same ctf... ! Point 3 the Harvester Made 150tonns/h in wheat. Point 4 they have a väderstad Spirit module and a Weinhoff slurry module too. Point 5 its is in a Testing phase
and it will be in testing for a 10 years.
Imagine describing the power of a motor in KILOWATT HOURS
how is this not the top comment 😅
Yep, stopped watching right there
How about 1 HP = .75 KW or 1KW = 1.33 HP.
I think that is very simple to figure out.
1 Kw/h or Kilowatthour is the amount delivered by one kilowatt of power for one hour. Therefore its the wrong unit
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europeans... amiright
These are probably the worst arguments I've ever heard not only on youtube but in my entire life
The second I heard you say the electric drives have 160kwh, I knew that you do not know the engineering behind this thing. Diesel electric is the best option for a moveable machine like this. The other options are hydrostatic which is inefficient and has the potential to leak massive amounts of hydraulic fluid. Or shaft drive. But how would you route those shafts? Just how many transmissions would that take? Also CVTs are not simple things. Diesel electric is actually very simple mechanically. Also efficient.
And you can build battery hybrids (or hydrogen hybrids) quite easy when you allready have an diesel-eletric drivetrain.
its basically just diesel engines providing power for the electric motors right? not much different than running off just battery power
@@denzzlinga But in this case, neither would be that interesting. A Battery Hybrid (Plug in Hybrid in car therms) makes sense in passenger vehicles for road driving, as they brake a lot. Regenerating the kinetic energy that would be lost to heat during braking makes a lot of sense for efficiency. This is a tractor. Once you are pulling a plow on a field, you do no longer think about brakes. You are already dragging a literal anchor behind you. The demand on the drivetrain is vastly different. The hydrogen hybrid is not that useful either. There either is or isn't hydrogen near the field. If there is and the economics make sense, why not fully power it with H₂?
@@linux_doggo Pretty much yes. Not exactly the same thing because the engines can't react to sudden power demand as quickly but yes its a electric tractor running off diesel generator(s).
Hello, I am an agronomist from Ukraine. I have watched Nexat work more than once, it does a great job with operations. As for when he will get stuck, it is very difficult to achieve this. Drove it over raw ground with a full hopper of corn at 20% moisture and went up the hill with no effort. By the way, one of our farmers has already purchased a serial machine.
Hope they are ok back there!!
There two in Ukraine both owned by dutch farmers. I thought the guy in this video clip is drunk or so he has a funny accent.
@@Rhamirezz85 They will not turn back. Everything is fine with them.
@@agropeople_ua Yes kees bought it I know. I know the farm very well ;) i did subscribe
Is that farmer Kees huizinga?
"as I was doing research"
Proceed to convert kWh to hp, that is truly some quality research.
I’m pretty sure you know what are you talking about 😊
Poor quality research. Ready for trash!
prototype is prototype, they are still testing the system, to find problems and then solve them. they are not even for sale in the same way as normal tractors, only sold to farms they can work with to get in data on the performance and solve problem.
- towing: you tow it in same way as you do with catamaran boats, you have a rope a cross the tractor and one rope going to the tractor towing. only need one tractor for that. And yes you can attach the tow cable to either the fram or the frame holding the track/wheel, they are dimensioned for that. If they wasn't they would be able to hold the Nexat, you are not using that much power to get it out of the mud as you think.
- getting stuck: everybody talks about that... and all I hear is bullshit. Other tractors is also getting stuck, so when it is muddy enough the Nexat to get stuck, other tractors would also. They are even testing them in Ukraine, that is know for their mudds... and they have no problem there at all. When you see a large Big Bud tractor get stuck with 6 wheels... then anyone can get stuck
- Parts, it use standards parts from other manufacture, engine problem, go to the engine manufacturer (CAT, Deutzh, etc.), Harvester problem, go to the company producing that harvester. combine problem, go to the company factory that produce the combine. All Nexat is doing, it building a frame and add all those component together and get them to talk together, normal service people fix problems as it is done today with any other tractors.
- Soil compaction it is correct as what Nexat is saying, but it goes way over your head, it easy to see that from this video, it have less foot print than any other normal tractor with towed equipment, even with that tractor with that planter you showed, count the numbers of tires on the frame... they are all compacting the soil.
- all Nexat test vehicle is 45 feet wide, but they are delivering them from 20 to 80 feet wide. So just looking at the prototype and call it small... are you weird
- That video showing they are multiple people when they are emptying the harvester/combine. It's a prototype, they are keeping an eye on everything during testing. Normally it's two person, one in the Nexat and one in the tractor/truck. Even when other big companies come with a new combine, they can be 5-10 people watching and testing a new combine for 1-4 years.
- Automation, it have only gone a year..... and it is still a prototype. It take a lot of work to make a system work automatically, and Nexat is a small company. Even Tesla used years on their autopilot program and that for driving on a road. Nexat is going to drive on road and in the field automatically, it have to monitor and adjust automatically, it have to empty it's tanks automatically, etc. that will take years to develop. Even big tractor companies like Fendt have talked about AI-controlled tractors and tested a few ideas, but they have yet to introduce it, because they are not done developing it yet, after several years.
- power output: that is the normal way to do it, even Normal harvester does that, but only on 2 wheels.... nothing special
I suggest stop embarrassing your self and just delet this video. In stead look at what you get from the plattform, perhaps do proper research, then base on what you see on videos and what other people are saying, without even been there seen it live, tested it, etc. Go talk with the company and farmers that is testing the system, etc. that is called proper work, some anyone putting out a video should do, before say something stupid, and later find out that all you said was utter garbage, but a now marked as an idiot, for rest of your life.
Nexat is a proven plattform some are still in prototype stage and based on old technology, just re-introduced with new ideas and improvements.
Good luck with your life, and I hope for your sake, that you do better research next time. If you was to do this video properly, you would contact Nexat, plan a meeting with them, test the system, and talk with farmers that is driving the prototype of it. There is only prototype our there, none of the version that is actually going to farmers.
Thanks for the in-depth comment!
You've made some good points that I agree with, e.g. the parts. But for example, soil compaction has other solutions than buying a Nexat...
You can buy thin tires, use autosteer, and also drive in the same lanes year after year = same results as Nexat. Or, you can just ball out on some good lookin' LSW's which also noticeably limit soil compaction. (although, of course, not that much as not driving over the soil at all)
Anyways, I get that it's a prototype, and I believe that what the father and son Kalverkamp are doing is honorable and actually very important. The main goal of this vid was to satirically point out what should be improved before they release it.
Overall, I would actually buy it, because it's one of the coolest-looking things out there. But I don't believe that this is the path ag-development should be headed.
Hope you have a great day!
This guy ain't ever been in a combine I bet
You can clearly see you know nothing about farming. The list of everything wrong with this " tractor ". Smaller smarter tractor out shine this "tractor ".
Where u see a Big Bud stuck ?
@@andreauberti9294 there are a few videos around, but of my head, "welkers farms" have had their big buds stuck on more than one occasion, but they do have several big buds to pull anyone out with
Mixing up kw and kwh says it all. Rookie mistake.....but important difference
I laughed at this too, I was waiting for him say something even more completely ridiculous. But then again just listen to him swear, it’s used by people with a weak argument to try and convince us that they are wise. How many people during Covid did the same when challenged about the vaccine or other things that could help like getting healthy?
How can you make a Review when you Never even saw it in reallife?
Actually the Nexat Grain Tank holds over 1000 bushels and the X9 only 460 bushels. The unload auger has the same functions as a grain cart like individual unloading speed.
So the massive weight plus the machine will sink like lead in any wet field.
That capacity doesn't make any difference, since we unload on the move. It DOES make a massive difference because it will become so damn heavy! Wouldn't it make sense to have a 50 foot wide combine with one engine, instead of two? The X9 doesn't need 1100 horsepower, does it?
@@vernonspady555
Plus the huge cost of diesel fuel to feed a 1100 hp engine. You better be digging up gold coins to pay for fuel.
@@vernonspady555 The final models will be much longer, the reason the prototyp is only 50 feet is because, they are in Europe and have to use public road and are bound to the local road laws.
@@assassinlexx1993 thats just the thing, because u drive only on one place, u will compact it like concrete, this means that u can drive earlier and later in the season without problems instead of sinking in
Apparently this guy doesn't innerstand how tracks work if the track spins you are stuck so by rope chain or cable you secure the track from spinning unless you completely buried the machine it can and will drive itself out it is simple and easy as long as one has the necessary equipment ready not to mention knowing your field and planning with common sense never hurts. Now that being said this machine is not perfect and needs many changes yet but a combine will run 600,000 a large tractor will run you 450,000 to 600,000 a small tractor will run you 250,000 to 450,000 new like the Nexat and all are needed for the preparation of the soil and planting and harvesting not to mention all the necessary implements needed for the different stages of crop production and all get stuck and there is often no access to pull on the tractor that can have many times more than 1 implement attached to it and are very limited in the amount of rows due to transporting to different fields because of roads and bridges and power lines and so it is important to note the Nexat is tackling the cost of leasing and insuring and maintaining and storing many multiples of equipment and crop row production and transporting equipment to different fields
A real “ expert” 😂
I'm ambivalent about the Nexat, but it did occur to me that a lot of the arguments could, and probably were used against the tractor vs horses.
My father was of the age that witnessed the change from horses to tractors. I would liken his description of it to the same as that of computers becoming an everyday machine for everyone. Early resistance because of cost and unknown complexity. Consumers being swindled by, well, the usual types that steal from people. Those that took the training and invested the money on tractors never turned back. Those that didn't saw their farm incomes drop so badly they not longer could survive farming.
But, that doesn't mean that this machine looks like a good idea to me. Other than being big, it doesn't really address any existing issue in farming. It also adds a huge amount of technology in an area with very harsh environments. I'm afraid that to me, it is a case of building something because it could be built, but not because it improves on the current technology. Time will tell if it survives in the market place of new ideas.
I love TH-cam videos made by people running things down. Question, can you please tell me who you are and your qualifications and what have you designed and built from scratch?
Does he realize that this is a prototype? All of his concerns can be addressed before production.
Is this an act to seem like an idiot on purpose?
Heard someone on a podcast talking about an automated fleet of 60hp tractors with 4 row/12' planters being controlled centrally and stepping away from a few million dollar setups. scale it all back to small machines and if one goes down you have 8 more that continue going.
How do you get less compaction with a big drill.
Can your combine also only drive in the same tracks?
It is not only when drilling and spraying that you need to drive en the same tracks. It is every machine that should only drive in the tracks, for years, and then you can get the benefits.
You seem to be a fan of John Deere, what are your thoughts on their "Right To Repair" issues and their overpriced parts?
Source: a lot of upset farmers in my area who are tired of being taken advantage of but still won't buy anything but JD
The lawsuit settled the right to repair.
I kinda like the design. I am sure there are bugs in the new product. If the unit continually tracks in the same spot, then soil compaction will keep it from getting stuck. In the US many farmers have non-connected tracks of land. They either unhook their heads going from field to field or get folding heads. I think this unit is a time saver.
lol u lost your credibility at 37 sec when u measured power with kwh....
No one has thought about spare parts. Um... They're prototypes, not production units. Of course there's no spare part supply yet. How many prototypes have a full inventory of replacement parts?
plans for the future, and you think this is going to be in a year?! idk were al your logic is man, but this guy is talking so much bs and hamering on what is wrong, but not telling what is right.
It was a little shallow, a rant usually is.
Source for saying their estimates for yield increase is shit; "trust me bro"
Reliability and parts accessibility problems; "trust me bro"
4:50 Combine-tankvolume X9-110: 16200 Liter Nexat: 36000 Liter
No Soil erosion on Big Fields? How come that?
You have not understand the Nexat idea
"I don't agree with this statement" then don't say why you don't.
Wow, you make it Sound like spareparts of any Otter manufactorer are opensource. Good luck installing a catterpillar engine in your John deere
As long as its on a combine it wont be as much of a problem, been there done that. Not saying it will be easy but possible. On framed tractors, with cardan shaft driven gearbox, its also doable. Thing is is it worth the effort?
@@tjurzyk Its not the physical installation on newer equipment but getting the computer to recognize it...
With the controlled traffic system u wil het stuck a lot less and i am sure you wil get yield increases du to less soil compaction.
my take is that the cab is just here as a afterthought as soon as the thing is reliable and good automation software is available the cab will disappear and the huge companies buying farmlands here in Europe will be farming huge surfaces with hardly any workers involved with all that implies/
Didn't think about that. Well, it might very well happen.
@@hitechfarmerseb full autonomy is their goal, especially since they operate few thousand hectares farm in Europe.
Its hard to take someone seriously that on Fridays he dresses up as Freddy Mercury and hit the clubs for some house music.
Hate to break it to you, but I don't have that much life😆Just TH-cam, work, and university
To say that there is little or nothing erotion of soil on flat fields is a ballsy statement. I wonder what studies you can refer to.
The plan is:it’s supposed to be completely automated, in the near future. I don’t really think it will ever catch on. Current designs are proven.
Combines are currently a very good design, for speed and mobility. So good that zero turn mowers were designed after them.
Diesel engine to an electric drive has been used in trains for many years, it is a proven technology.
The amount of people who need to be told that electric technology like this hauls trains is astonishing.
My old PE teacher once said he would never buy an electric vehicle because it "wouldn't tow his camper."
00:35 "160 kWh is approximately 217 HP" you're comparing energy to power.
01:00 every tractor can get stuck, what's your point ...?
02:06 you would turn the wheels into transport configuration and pull from the side. Or you would just not drive the expensive machine into deep mud like a random TH-camr might try.
02:38 *reads a quote, disagrees, refuses to elaborate*
03:17 you're applying first grade math to a very complex problem. Effects in the real world are not linear.
03:35 doing fewer passes could mean less soil compaction, but only if the tractor runs on the same track with all the different machines. Which is not realistic. The seeder is very wide, but not all of the machines are, so the tractor would have to run all over the field, compacting *every* lane eventually.
04:09 you miss the point entirely. Erosion on flat fields happens because of wind blowing the soil away. Soil compaction leaves a flat, hard, dry surface.
04:35 they don't need to focus on automating the process of changing modules because it's absolutely not essential. It's not critical for its function, so they wouldn't waste investment money on it at this stage.
05:12 five people are overwatching the prototype. They are engineering it, so they need to inspect things. Get it? No? ok.
05:20 there are plenty of large machines that have one operator, but it's not like the world ends when things break down. There are maintenance services like for any other machine. And if the machine is very efficient, you could afford to put two operators on it to help each other with trouble.
05:25 "no one has talked about spare parts or serviceability" - so what's your point? What makes you think there's any trouble about that point?
05:39 according to you, nothing should've ever been invented because the random person who did it first could erect a monopoly. You're basically trying to bully somebody out for their success.
05:44 what's your point with the system having AI in it? it's for safety, so what?
05:52 indoors onfield agriculture. wow, nobody has heard of it before because it doesn't make any sense at all.
06:26 ... incompetence. There you go. You're welcome.
the point is it wont get stuck because you arent supposed to drive in wet concitions with any machine if its this or a normal tractor when its to wet to drive on a field than stay home or go to a different field
also on the maintenence "if something breaks your fckd and they havent given any info about spare parts" well ofcourse there arent any spare parts on the market yet because its in the PROTOTYPE state still surely when it gets officially released in bigger quantities it will have spare parts
how farming is "supposed to" work, and how it actually works are two very different things. If you just walked away every time the situation wasn't ideal, you would never get anything done.
@@mr.fringeminority5426 I don't think Stefan has spent much time in the country lol
@@mr.fringeminority5426 yeah thats true but we tend to stay away from the fields when its wet
They take their number from Australia where CTF is more common, the machine have many good features theirs many good ideas they got. Good part, is that maybe it’s will push big compagnie to improve their combine weight distribution and not only put 500 bushel capacity on a combine who’s got 80% weight on front axles. Tribune solve the problem by removing the grain tank and put it behind the combine on a articulated chassis.
A lot of critic, but you've only looked at it from an American point of view. In Europe the situation is much different because the lands are more expensive. Therefor soil improvment like drainage is very common, this also avoids machines getting stuck. Also agriculture is more intensive as in America, with normaly 2-3 grow/harvest cycles. Only for real good products you get paid well, so maintenance of the crops and use of biocides are widespread, used often, but due to the price also minimised by techniek. That's where a machine as NEXAT comes handy. You forgot to mention that after 3 years of testing, now only the first machines have made it to America. That's no accident because the machine is developed and manufactured in Europe, Germany, especialy for the European market
Do you know anything about farming those are trades that they use on normal tractors and then go through mud of 26 ft deep and I have no issues with mud and if they get stuck they've got something bigger to pull it out with
26 feet deep? Seriously? Where are you pulling these numbers from?
Whatever - at least you spelled "trades" right..
I say you bay it wenn John Deere had coppy
Dont call it review when its actually just a rant xD
Some of these criticisms are accurate, some aren't. I think the HP figures are just plain silly. The only time I have seen anyone anyone actually use 1000hp on a tractor was with a plow that was larger than the length of the nexat. Getting stuck in the mud is a non issue for a lot of farms in the first place, but even if it was, you should be able to yank it by the gantry just fine. The diesel electric traction system is fine. If people would stop bitching about it, it is cheaper and easier to maintain than hydrostatic drive. The price is a problem, but not as much of a problem when you realize that a combine prices are nearing the same price tag. I think if you looked at this thing as an over priced combine that can sort of do some other tasks in a pinch, it makes a lot more sense than a 1 size fits all machine. But I completely agree that the gen 2 model needs to be half the horsepower and half the cost for it to be viable.
30s in, comparing kwh to hp and I'm already seriously doubting why you should be qualified to review machinery
I see another FS farmer ;)
The XBR2 Bi-Rotor VPS Versatile Power System (read The Dream Reaper book) built in 1993 and 12 of 17 patents sold to John Deere in 1995 was more viable for Planting, Spraying and Harvesting. They bought and put it on the Back Burner so farmers would have to buy X 3 engines, and cabs and power trains and tires for their sprayers, tractors and combines. More $ for their stockholder incomes. 🥴
Do you think that Nexat will also just sell it's patents to a bigger player?
@@hitechfarmersebNeXat will have to continue to develop the neXat with plans and intentions of putting it into their own production and marketing process. If it grows to be successful then there will be an opportunity for them to sell it to a major world wide manufacturer.
On the note of the Bi-Rotor, John Deere basically blackmailed Wagner tractors company into not producing tractors and being as unfair as they were. Really cool to see Big Bud tractors are they are the most powerful out there. AND Big Equipment is going to produce tractors again without all the overpriced Technology.
The Bi-Rotor co rotation concave does generate more centrifugal force because you have the cage speed plus the mat speed for a V Squared exponential increase in Fc because of the added velocity. Dynamic vane angles and 360 degree separation are added benefits of the co-rotational concave. Feeding is better with BOTH the concave and rotor drawing crop in from the feeder house throat.
Soil erosion comes from tillage, over grazing and leaving fields fallow
As a concept, it's a interesting take on a multi function piece of equipment. However, farming is not all that gentle on equipment or are fields always in ideal conditions for such a complex machine to operate in. On top of which, will pieces be interchangeable so if the one you have breaks down. Can you get off the shelf parts easily or will the part you need have to be manufactured first? Then there is what I'm thinking is a fault in that it doesn't look like it can tow a trailer. Why is that a fault, well in many multi hundred acre/hectare farms the tractors tow being in a single pass: planter, seed hopper/tender, fertilizer spreader (if liquid, a tender tank). And this machine looks like it has all of those things, as individual units that must be changed for each use. So that would mean a twelve hour day of planting, will turn into another twelve hour day of fertilizing instead of just moving on to another field for planting.
It's a nice looking piece don't get me wrong on that. I think it's more of a niche solution seeking a highly specific problem that so far is filled, not perfectly but filled none the less, by other machines.
You have the same problem now with conventional stuff as well.
If a machine breaks down you have to call a tech, you could get the part if it is in stock, but quite often it is a sensor and you can't marry it to the tractor's serialized system without having it blessed by the manufacturer... (IE, their tech has to come out, plug in to the tractor and tell the computer "Oh it is okay.")
There is a reason Right to Repair has been a teething point for John Deere, CNH and Agco.
😂😂 good trolling, that's what I'm hoping
Probably a city boy who went to a farm to take pictures of himself pretending he might be a farmer
this concept of the all in one tractor has already been tried in the Uni-System unitractor. They do their job. but theres a reason the tools and equipment are specialized. If you own it as a combine. well.. its a combine. its about as unique of equipment many farms will get. but the grunt work is done by tractors. a big problem currently is the fact that there arent enough of these things that A. any mechanic worth his weight could possibly get profficient and B. if you need to lease a seeder or combine head or sprayer, its completley proprietary mounting. Im all for innovation. but, let the combine combine. and the tractor tractor. you can have automated driving wihtout this long thing. anyway. hope they succeed... at least in breaking even.
There is no shortage of people who argue from the opposing view...mostly done for fame or fortune. This fellow got people to watch, so he did it for money.
Do you farm? Then what gives you right to judge its technology do you have better idea
Yes, I do farm. Hence the name - Hitech Farmer. I actually have a better idea: farm with a normal tractor or wait for the final version of the Nexat. This prototype might be on the right track (with a big emphasis on the "might"), but as of now, it's no good.
Wait but my tiny ass 12m tramlines with narrow 0.3m tramlines only amounts to 5% of the field being in tramlines! And I could easyily go up to 30m with 0.5m wide tramlines and that's like 3.3%!!!
Sure, but I think that the tracks will have to be proportionally wider on a bigger machine. So it could still be about 4,5% of the field.
"Since its an all in one system, if it brakes down you are F°°k`d" LMAO, that gave me the giggles
I had to replay that part a few times, it was funny every single time 😆 😆
If you have a 2 million dollar machine. Serviceability is 0 because you will have no money left over to pay for the parts which are probably unaffordable and unobtainable!!!!!! And by the chance that you do get it ........the time in waiting for the part that you need will shut down your entire field operation.......... and we all know time is money!!!!!!
A solution looking for a problem. Overstating the benefits and trying to sell it on versatility. All red flags.
It sounds like a spoof advert for the Nexat (tongue in cheek) however for Ukrainian sized wheat fields its more than likley a better option.
As for big fields he obviouly never visited areas of France with 70+ hectare fields.
I don't trust anyone who calls a diesel engine a motor. Motors are electric engines run on fuel.
i think that the harvest and the sprayer modules can be very interesting for flat lands like the brazilian state of Mato Grosso and the great plains of America, in the end, this modules can be the biggest combine and sprayer ever made, but 2 million... With all this money you can basically bought all the "traditional equipment", with has much more capacity to do some other farming activities, but we need to support the company, they need money to improve and make this kind of machine cheaper, greetings from Brazil!
You are so wrong. Cost comparison on what it replaces, tractor, combine, sprayer, and all the accessories for that. And the modular nature making servicing easier. This will end up being the future of farming.
Yeah how does it work on hills and less than perfect conditions? I agree it needs a repair plan and parts. John Deere has all that figured out. I would think this is an ideal situation Agricultural Equipment.
Too bad for you that it isn't just a prototype anymore, but it's already in production. So far your "prediction " of the Nexat xD😂
A lot of money to waste in a world that wants to end commercial farming practices. Honest thougths, everyone in America should start growing their own food and end the need for commercial farms that damage the environment with their destructive, un-needed practices. I love thought that EVERYTHING "electric" is powered by a diesel generator. There is no such thing as electric vehicles, they are just gas by-product vehicles.
the reason its a hybrid is so it can have maximise the turning radius of the tracks while minimising its size as there is little drive train (no gearboxes, prop shafts and diffs) and depending on how efficient the generators are could be more efficient as there is minimal mechanical loss
@@justmatt510 And hybrid is fine as long as we can all agree it is not Electric. Using a Deisel generator means it is still gas powered. It can not run without the deisel fuel. Just like a Diesel Train. We don't call them hybrid or electric despite the fact they use giant diesel engines as generators that power the electricly powered motors for the wheels. But they don't run without the Deisel so they are Deisel trains.
The NEXAT in that same regard is still just a Deisel machine.
The left pushes their no more oil by 2030 or whatever, but electric powered things all need petrolium products to run, from deisel to lubricants, they are all fossil fuel derived and thus fossil fuels will be used for at least the next 50-100 years.
The best combatant to climate change, is to end commercial farming practices that do massive damage to the land, envirnment, waterways, and climate more so then anything else. Best way to end it, is more people providing for themselves.
Kilowatt hours is a measurement of charge not power output
Is that John Deere peeking behind you?
John Deere and light in one sentence 😂 6:00
Funny how someone with obviously no experience in engineering or farming in the real world thinks, his opinion is worth spreading out. This whole video is pointless, unless he can prove, that his opinion has a foundation built of experience and real knowledge about the subject
Your points are mute😂😂
Considering a fact that NEXAT is still too big to legally drive on public roads in transport mode , I think that this is still a bad idea.
But it’s not to big though - it’s legal to drive on the road.!
@@allanthomsen3992 In Europe? Too wide .
@@papamike88 Do you live in Europe??
It's narrower than many other of the agriculture equipment it's competing with.!
@@allanthomsen3992 From what I know Nexat is 4.5 m wide, so 1.5 m too much to legally drive.
you know, i was about to defend some things, but actaully. reason have it... he makes a few good points.
wowowow hooold on there - this machine may be manure but the first minute of your video is so too.
1) diesel-electric drive-trains have been implemented on nearly every verhicle-type in existense. They probably took inspiration from the mining machinery which is similar in size and tonnage. It is far easier to get wires 50-100ft to these side-pods than having transmission-shafts. As much as the design may be flawed going diesel-electric was absolutely the right choice here.
2 - And this is a BIG red flag) Learn the difference between kW and kWh!!!!!
kWh is NOT Power Output - it's accumulated power (stored power).
1 HorsePower = ~0.75 kiloWatts. Without 'hours'.
If I leave a 1kW Engine running for 2 Hours it has produced 2kWh. Similarly, a 10kWh Battery can supply a 1kW-Motor for 10hrs, a 2kW-Motor for 5hrs and a 10kW-Motor for 1hour.
Mixing kW and kWh up is like mixing up gallons and gallons per hour.
Get this manure right! or people will (rightfully) assume you don't know what you are talking about.
Video format of an internet comments section...
*based on no experience
The next decade is gonna see a lot of machines switching to electric final drives, it’s already well underway in construction. Do a lot of people have spare tractors sitting around? Or spare combines? If anything this seems like it would add more redundancy as you could pull a unit off of tillage to continue harvest if one had an issue. Obviously the devil is in the details, but acting like this causes a bunch of problems that don’t exist with tractors is just silly
and trains have been diesel over electric for many many many years.
You dont understand controlled traffic farming and how soil compaction works
why is there only a little bit of sound on one side and a lot of sound on the other side of my headset, just me? SUPER ANNOYING
You talk about Nexat how the people talked 100 years ago about tractors
How do you even move this thing?
Well, from what I’ve seen, you need a really loooong trailer to transport it.
@@hitechfarmerseb and a 8x4 semi truck
The 4 tracks on the sides can turn 90 degrees, so it does not drive "sideways" anymore and the tracks are now front and back, the cabin turns to now look forward and it can now drive down the road with harvesting equipment and everything still attached, but raised out of the way.
Well, I'm bored and I kind of like this thing and am a fast typer, so here's a bunch of words.
I'm certainly not going to say the thing is perfect, but I am more than alright with pointing out issues I find whenever people seem to inject negativity for its own sake. "I just love how they made it simple and efficient;" I know you are saying this sarcastically, but my response is not: welcome to the future. No, we will not always be able to fix every new electric or computerized thing (until we stop being stubborn and learn how, come on, kids are doing it). Electric technology, while not as simple, is getting all the more efficient by the day. And while the average person is not responsible for climate change (though should still try to treat the planet decently), at least the corporate farms that buy this pretending they care will be doing that little bit better. "This two million dollar mechanical masterpiece;" yes, that is how new technology comes out. It is going to be expensive, it is going to have teething troubles, and it is also going to be expensive. When technology is given time and finances to develop, then it can become more available and accessible to a wider market. I don't have that kind of money, never will, and believe that many people share this position, but then for the time being, it is not for me to deal with. Someone else can work out the teething issues. (And I will certainly give you this, I do not know how I would get it out of the mud. Then again, I haven't gotten anything stuck for decades, including my semi, so maybe someone needs to watch were they're driving.) "I don't agree with this statement;" I do not currently believe you have the qualifications necessary for me to worry about whether or not you agree with people who know what they are talking about. "They say this _can_ increase ... which _could_ translate;" this is a little bit of what I refer to as contract speak. Use vague enough terms that if people do not see the exact statistics presented, said people cannot sue for "false advertising." Not saying it's right, but it's the way everyone who has to sell anything by contract does it, for their own safety. "They are usually on pretty flat land ... not as much soil erosion;" I didn't really doubt you actually work in agriculture until this line. Flowing creeks are not the only form of erosion. Do you not have wind where you live, after weeks of no rain? Have you never cultivated or disced after a while with no rain? If you have, the dust clouds are rather unmistakable. That's erosion. That's layers of dirt from the flattest field you could have blowing away. Whether or not this machine can cut back on that, I now have to wonder if you personally realize what constitutes erosion. "They've been talking about these plans for the near future for a year now;" okay. The near future can be 5 years, who cares? 1 year certainly is. Technology takes significant lengths of time to develop, especially with how few people must be available for a project like this. This just seems to be nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. "And 5 people overwatching the situation;" they're testing new technology. They're watching it in case something goes wrong, or for what they could possibly improve. It's going to take the same two people it does today to unload. "Since it's an all in one, if it breaks down;" re: welcome to the future. "It's monopoly on the parts, and charge a bit extra;" this seems to be combining your failure to understand that new technology costs more with a failure to understand how vehicle parts searching goes. You need a part for a John Deere, you go to John Deere and pay $5 for something because it has their name stamped into it. You need a part for a Massey Ferguson, you go to the people with Massey parts and pay the price they ask. Bolts and wheels you can get from wherever, but practically any piece of machinery will have pieces that can only be replaced from its manufacturer. I don't want a monopoly or these exorbitant prices more than anyone else, but again, this is nothing unique to this thing. And one final knock in at AI, well that one I won't refute. It has a long way to go, and I'm not worried about when it will get there, only that until then it has been hijacked by people who think typing a few words into a prompt box makes them an artist (which steals the work of real, human artists).
I presume you'd rather I didn't double the length of this with how much I could say about that John Deere concept. I see a few issues I'd have, and not just because I'm a Massey guy.
I'm not going to say I'm any final matter anywhere. I'm not going to say that this thing is ever going to work, or even take off. Did anything ever happen with the Tri-bine or whatever that thing was called? It just feels like this video was thrown together, first draft, for the sake of putting something else down. I don't like that, and probably like responding in kind a little too much. I am of course hoping nothing I have said makes your day worse, which was not my intent, but to expand on some rather unfinished discussions that were started here. Have a nice night, and a lifetime of them to follow.
It’s funny how people say it won’t work but there using it
This audio balance hurt my left ear
Where’s you farm at then?
In his mind maybe. Don't you see that the man is typical townee and everything he presents has find on internet? Some things he said (even in other videos) are correct and true and have a lot of logique, but for his great income from TH-cam and our returns to his channel is for him better to be a bit negative and slightly arrogant or make fun from reality. Anyway he's not stupid, obviously is well educated, but looks like he physicly never exits his room to see real tractor, farm or field. ;-)
The future of farming has always been slavery.
Before you get mad, if history repeats itself, the more advanced and efficient a society gets, the more likely it will turn to slavery.
this guy doesnt understand it
Don’t like the pessimism…. But a few valid points
That thing is definitely made for a land formed field.
Whiles it’s a unique invention the point about only 1 company producing parts and it getting stuck is accurate
Trains have electric motors with diesel engine(s) to make electricity.
Can't be worse than the Tribine ...
Just searched it up. It looks … interesting
….my name is a Borat…..
you know, it is ok to say you don't understand a new concept...
Ney sayer
Soil compaction? Just rip the field open with a plow
I agree with everything you said, honestly. I live in Alberta, near BIG farms and machinery, and the Nexat has no advantages whatsoever. That poor thing can barely turn around. 50 feet wide? Big deal. Conventional machines are that big, and they corner like a sports car.
Yeah, well, that's my point. One of the main selling points of the company is that it's big. The thing is, that there are loads of machines that are as big as this. (The Nexat maybe has the biggest sprayer boom and grain tank capacity, but still...) All in all, Nexat doesn't make much sense to me.
This German tractor is the future of agriculture