Also, it's kind of sad that even back then DC movies were crappy hahaha Seems like the Nolan trilogy was the one bright spot in a long line of shlockfests
They left out the detail that he came down in a bathrobe, got a guitar out, and started "entertaining" the small little "party" with songs. Still, must've been the most depressing post-midnight party ever.
I love how the story of him telling the boy that the bullet would hurt bystanders feels like something that would legitimately happen in a Superman comic book.
Apparently Lemmon continued that 'joke' after they heard the shot. She said "See there - I told so!" upon hearing the gunshot, which makes this case even more macabre.
@@Atetrigrams Tbf, if you WERE making that joke when you heard the drawer open and everything, of course you would follow up on it when you hear (what you believe to be nothing more than) a sound similar to that of a gunshot. I’ve definitely made jokes that would sound extremely suspicious in a certain context, idk about you
she probably did it and then told the story to the other people downstairs the suic!de story, and since some of them are drunk (assuming due to the appearance of alcohol) it could've led to their only possible answer to the police that would heavily confront the four of them, it was an easy manipulative way to make such ending.
You guys should really do an episode on the missing 9-year-old girl, Asha Degree. She just woke up randomly at 3 a.m. one cold, dark, rainy, and stormy morning, and decided to leave her house and walk for miles up along a pitch-dark highway. Alone. Dressed in her pajamas in 40-degree weather. No umbrella, raincoat, or jacket. And then she just went missing. Baffles me until today.
They don't post on that channel but Ryan and Shane should make a video on her if they can. You are right, that case is super mysterious. Nothing in that case makes sense at all
i feel like the nature of the cases would be different if they did, i read somewhere that true crime and researching took a toll on ryan's mental health so i don't think he'd subject himself to it again
They heard his bedside drawer open? 1am, they're drinking and having a party, and they can hear the sound of this dude opening a bedside drawer from a floor away?? What the hell was this nightstand made of, scrap metal?
I would’ve asked each person individually what Reeves was wearing when he went downstairs. If each person had a different story, that would’ve brought up some red flags. I personally believe it was a sex party that went bad.
Just as a lil note, if the bullet was found lodged in the ceiling it would've passed through the skull. If you compare the force of an entry wound and an exit wound, keeping in mind the bullet slows as it passes through stuff etc the exit wound has a higher level of force. This is something that is often shown incorrectly in tv series, movies, etc as they have things / people that have been shot move AWAY from the gun with the force of the bullet. Ballistic experts have tested on pig carcasses, which are the closest thing to a human, and every single time the body moves TOWARDS the gun because of the force of the exit wound. So if George Reeves had shot himself with his head on an angle, the bullet lodging in the ceiling, the force of the exit wound would have launched him forward and onto the floor.
But if you’re going away from the gun, like you said, wouldn’t it have launched him back??? I am no detective, but I made a comment kind of explaining on how I could see him launch back instead of forward: If reeves was sitting on the side of the bed, distressed and about to kill himself, he would have been hunched over on his right knee, holding the gun to his head, having his head to the side, and then when shooting, the force would have pushed him back and his hand down, more than likely dropping the gun between his legs. I’m just curious. I don’t 100% believe it was a suicide though, because he was naked and no clothes were reported on the staircase or anywhere in the room. But if it was a suicide or a suicide set up, I can see on how the bullet made it to the ceiling, knocking him back, and dropping the gun between his legs. One thing you did say was the exit wound. I don’t believe they mentioned too much about it (even though I just watched it, I’ll have to go back a little), but they did mention blood on the ceiling, mean it would have HAVE to have gone through his skull. I’m curious to see where you take this…
@@TheMandapanda1205 reread what I said. In tv shows, movies, etc gunshots always portray the person being blown back by the impact. In reality the exit wound is a greater force than the entrance wound. Ballistics tests confirm this. If there’s an exit wound then the person wouldn’t moved towards the gun. The blood on the ceiling is from an exit wound which means he should have been on the floor not the bed if it was self inflicted.
@@byfairestbloodhow does the exit wound have more force though? the bullet is at its highest velocity when it leaves the gun and decelerates after that point, so presumably the entry wound would have more force
@@ramonodonnell1561 likely for the same reason exit wounds are always bigger than the entry point: the kinetic energy of the bullet is transferred to the skull/flesh/meat/etc
For PostMortem: The porch light seems like a signal that George was home. Lemmon was the one who switched it on, seems like she sent a signal to someone. Also she just kept saying "He is gonna shoot himself, he is getting his gun" seems like she is reiterating to the visitors that it is suicide and she has no hand in his death. Also, even if she knew he was gonna take his own life, why would she specifically think he was gonna use a Gun? It is like one of those suspect confessions, when suspect goes like "Moreover I don't own a 9mm German Luger" when Police never mentioned the cause of death.
I feel like the answer gets turned into this mysterious mystical thing because it could just be hard for some to understand why anybody famous would just off them self. Regular people do it everyday, so it’s not that far off to hypothesize that being famous but not having any money to show for it could have added to putting a gun to his head. Especially if the studio knew he was struggling with being an alcoholic. The fact humans can’t know what somebody else is thinking sucks because now his death is left to speculation. Who knows if it was a conspiracy or somebody who truly was suicidal. Somebody suicidal isn’t going to go and tell the whole world “ hey, I want to off myself”. Usually people open up after the thoughts have subsided and you can think clearly but nobody is going to admit something is going on, I doubt they were aware or cared about mental health in the 50-60s.
Regarding Lemon predicting the suicide: it's possible he'd maybe threatened to do just that when he was distressed at earlier occasions, which could be why she also didn't feel the need to follow him up when he was visibly upset. Bliss being the most responsive would also make sense, since if he hadn't interacted with Reeves before, he would have no reason to think the man was "faking" anything and was truly in danger.
@@zz7733 lennore lemmon killed him and went back into the house and ripped off the police sticker and went into the fridge for food and money and never returned to go to this mans funeral or memorial service tells u a lot about her
Lemmon also could've been upsetting and trying to warn them. Like Lemmon figured he was going to do that, didn't want to see him do it, wanted the men to go and see what was going on, didn't want to get accused of shooting him or didn't want him to hurt her. Or she killed him.
As happy as I am that they’re leaving buzzfeed to do their own thing on The Watcher, I hope they keep something like this format alive and that they explore spooky places together.
Same here honestly, and it's not like we don't got an assortment of video's to watch from one to the majority on this channel, but yeah I hope they copy this same exact particular style of video's and make it into something more interesting or do the same as they do here of course.
Did you miss Ryan say, This is the season premiere of *_The Final Season of Unsolved True Crime,_* at the beginning of this episode? Sounds like the boys have grown into men and BuzzFeed can no longer afford their salaries!
Shane is so much more than just a Host - Actor - Puppet Man - Ghost Hunter and bridge owner. No one mentioned that he's a: golden god - sex symbol and fashion icon. Give the man some credit please.
For Postmortem: Did they ever find Reeves's clothes? I don't see how he would have had enough time to be undressed if it was a hit. If Bliss ran up right after the gunshot, he would have seen the murderer removing Reeves's clothes. If it wasn't a suicide, I think that Lemmon, Bliss, and Van Ronkel have to be hiding some kind of involvement or knowledge.
Well you see he could have been wearing a bath robe when he went down stairs. It's also possible he removed his own clothes knowing he'd be offing himself because he didn't want his expensive clothes getting messed up. It's common for the person to feel empathy for the people they leave behind. Some lay down plastic to help with cleanup and some leave notes apologizing for the mess. It's quite common. It can also be easily made a murder as well though. They conveniently had company over specifically 2 people to give a solid alibi to the woman. The woman just happened to fire the gun a few days prier on "accident" or was it to make sure the gun would fire before they used it to murder him? He survived a car crash caused by his break fluid being drained so there was other attempts on his life? As for the body, position of the gun, casing and bullet all checks out to make it look exactly like what it was meant to look like. She said "He's gonna off himself, He's opening the drawer and he's gonna do it" or something along those lines to confuse her 2 alibis and make them go along with the story. There was definitely someone upstairs. They needed to make enough noise downstairs for George to leave the room and go downstairs so the murderer could sneak into the room with no windows and take the gun out of the drawer and wait for George to return. The gun was cleaned of ALL fingerprints not even the woman's were on it even though she had shot the gun days before. The body was cleaned quickly so no further evidence could be found which just makes it even more obvious someone cleaned up the crime for them and payed people off.
@@OtakuWrath How the shooting went down exactly though? How a killer end up shooting the ceiling without leaving signs of struggle. If he was concealed inside the room, the most natural thing to do would be to point and shoot, which would not leave a bullet in the ceiling. So how it happened? If it is suicide it all fits. He puts the gun 45º or so to the side of the head. Explain the bullet in the ceiling (Ryan didn't say where was the exit wound. He didn't have to tilt his head in a odd angle for the bullet end up in the ceiling, like Ryan proposed). The luger ejects the casing from the top. So if the top of the gun was pointing back, that explain how he fell over the casing. If he is seating right at the edge of the bed, that explain how the gun feel to the floor. I can't see why people think it is less likely than such complicated conspiracy.
@@Alkis05 Well if you have no reason to suspect someone is gonna shoot at you, you obey their commands if they have a gun pointed at you. The person with the weapon knew they wanted to make it look like a suicide so they instructed the man to do as he was told. Once in position they simply walked up to the man, held the weapon as if he was holding it himself and pulled the trigger. These were payed professionals that knew what they were doing and likely helped construct the events of the entire night before hand. Of course it could also be exactly as it looks like but there was shady stuff surrounding the event such as a previous attempt on his life which is suspicious. The person hid inside the room after the deed was done and waited for the other person to confirm the "suicide" and then when they went back downstairs the hidden murderer snuck out and left while everyone was distracted. When the police arrived they reported that the 3 were drinking alcohol, My guess would be that the woman used this as a distraction so the person upstairs could get out of the house without being seen or heard.
Post Mortem: BUT THE NAKED PART IS WHAT CONFUSES ME. How quickly did the shot fire after he went up the stairs? Was it long enough for him to get undressed? Where were the discarded clothes? Next to him?? The timeline doesn’t work to me
For postmortem: has anyone considered the possibility that they were all having some kind of sex party? It was late at night and it would explain why he was naked, even his strange position. If one of them had some kind of interest in guns it would give context to there being previous gun shots in the floor. Plus since he was previously in a poly relationship, it would make sense that he was in an open/adventurous relationship with his current girlfriend. It would also kind of explain why he was found in a room with no windows. Perhaps there was some kind of accident with the gun and they all put their clothes back on and made up a story to tell the police. I don’t really trust anything that the media said about what had happened, including his ex talking about killing him to a priest.
Theory: The whole idea that they could hear the drawer being opened is boloney. So that leaves just one thing: the four agreed to lie about hearing the drawer, because then they could also lie about her saying "now he's gonna shoot himself". All of this to paint a picture of him killing himself and cover up the following: Reeves' girlfriend had one of her "Vesuvian" temper tantrums, pulled out the gun and threatened to shoot Reeves, or maybe she threatened to shoot herself. They fought over the gun, shots went into the floor, and then the last went through Reeves' head by accident. This also explains why she left and never returned to L.A. P.S. Thanks for creating my favorite show, Ryan, Shane & Unsolved team!
Yeah that was a weird detail to me too. That drawer would’ve either had to have been loud as hell, or in the very next room, which we know isn’t true because Reeves was shot upstairs.
It's very far fetched that 4 people who were mere friends cover up for something like this for so long. One of them is gonna break sooner or later if that's the case. Also, at the time of death they were drunk well enough. So, it is hard for all of them to manitain a coherent story. Someone's gonna mess up some details in a made up story.
I had to actually Google the people who played superman because "reeves" sounded familiar but I thought he was thrown from a horse... well apparently there was a Reeves and Reeve that played superman and both had very bad things happen to them. Very bizarre
Being thrown from a horse isn't that bizarre tbf. what WAS bizarre was that someone who was supposedly so big on horseback riding would forget to wear his helmet.
The guests heard a drawer open in Reeve's bedroom? 1. Highly unlikely, just because of how far apart they would be. 2. Even if they did hear a scraping, squeeling, or other noise, why would they think of a dresser drawer? 3. If the guests were accurate in identifying the sound as a drawer in Reeve's bedroom, they would all have to know the upstairs layout (direction sound came from) and what noise a specific piece of furniture in his bedroom would make. (#2). It just doesn't hold up.
Roastmortem: Shane, you look like a member of a 2000’s boy band who escaped to the Oregon woods in the peak of their fame and only returned to public eye because you became a mystery man who owns a mystery shack tourist trap.
For the postmortem: Is it possible the the “witnesses” were actually in on it? I feel like some sort of organized plot would make the most sense considering how he was found and the inconsistencies in the story.
My problem about this is… where did George put his clothes if he’s in the nude? Did they talk about if his clothes would be at a corner, or in the closet?
Yeah! They didn’t specify where the clothes went. If they were right in the middle of the scene they would have been mentioned but it’s such an odd detail
yeah, but my biggest issue with the murder theory, is the angle of the bullet. it doesnt make any sense how another person could shoot a big guy like Reeves in the temple and make the bullet hit the ceiling above him. they would have to me really close and really crouched down to pull off that shot.
Post-mortem: Ryan points out that it's an oddly suspicious scenario, that Lemmon would have context to joke about suicide but not compassion enough to go after him- Personally I see that as Reeves expressing suicidal tendencies in the past to Lemmon but due to the stigma associated with men's mental health, up until the moment of his death it seems that she never took him seriously. Do you believe that the view of mental health in that time period, mixed with Reeves' fame as Superman, changed the way the case was dealt with and viewed by the public? (E.g. the mother's insistence that her son never could have killed himself)
I agree he had definitely talked about it before but doesn’t explain why he was naked, extra bullet holes in the floor or the position of his body. But if Toni had him killed why wouldn’t she have Lemmon killed as well? Maybe the unexpected guests at 1 am saved her from the same fate. Gun man could’ve been waiting in a closet or empty room
Watching this again, I realized something. Perhaps Lemmon was in on it and that's why she "narrated" what was going on so that the suicide would seem more believable to the others in the room.
There is SO much misinformation in the GR tragedy. For example, GR's bedroom, where he shot himself, did have a window. You can see it if you google his home on Benedict Canyon
For the postmortem: does anything mention anything more about his clothes? Like, were they thrown all over the floor etc? And, if he was murdered, why would the killer undress him?
maybe, the murderer undressed him cuz he had blood on his hands or worried that his handprints would be there...it is highly supicious that they did not mention of his clothes...and the blood splatter would be on the wall above the bed since he was shot at his right temple and lets not forget that his body was washed before further investigation, the body shouldn't be tampered with before the investigation...its really suspicious...and i think its a planned murder
@@nifflofair6685 well, before he died...he still answered the door and walked up stairs to his bedroom since he was not in a mood to entertain his guests..after he walked upstairs, it was then he opened his drawer and they said it was then he shot himself...and if he so sleeps naked, his clothes would be on the floor, near him
@@nifflofair6685 how did he have time to undress himself for bed if they heard the gunshot so quickly after he went upstairs? And also, if he was going to k*ll himself, why get ready for bed? It's suspicious is all
For postmortem: If he was found naked, were his clothes in the room where he was shot? Was it possible that he came downstairs in a robe, then took it off in the room, before he was shot/shot himself?
I don't think anything will ever be as painful as that scientist for the Amelia Earhart case though, where he examined some bones believed to have been her, then just burned it all in flames, like what the fork, that was our only physical lead lmao
You guys are great, crack me up! But here’s what happened.. They were ALL IN on the murder.. She turned on the lights to signal the others in.. After he was killed in bed by gunshot to the temple, they repositioned his body. George never woke up to the people coming over, the people came over ready to protect and cover for HER.. That’s why they were drinking.. To ease their nerves when lying. Lol. 💯
@@ketchup_hater In the Unsolved about the Goatman, they visit the Old Alton Bridge. This bridge is also referred to as 'Goatman's bridge', but Shane said that if the Goatman didn't stop him, the bridge would become *his* bridge. Needless to say, nothing happened and Shane proclaimed Ryan and himself as the rightful owners. Wikipedia, on the other hand, refused to allow changes to the page and the Old Alton Bridge is still 'Goatmans bridge' and Shane is not having it😂 (It even went so far that they locked the page because too many people kept changing the name to 'Shane and Ryan's bridge)
Why buzzfeed still asking us “what unsolved mystery do you want to see next” as if the ghoul boys werent on their last season and as if the last season wasnt already filmed😭😭
Perhaps they genuinely mean it this time. Maybe the season is cancelled due to running out of ideas. A plausible situation is they are now looking for anything that could be turned into content, and if nothing comes up, this truly is the last season.
I just wanted to say I have genuinely enjoyed watching all BUN content and I am so thankful for you guys! I routinely rewatch a lot of episodes. I can’t wait to see what you have in store for Watcher! Thank you!
Post mortem: No offense but the assassin could've just walked straight down the stairs and threatened the people there. I doubt anybody would speak up if they had been threatened by one of Mannix's guys. And Mannix's influence would also explain the police department's weird conclusions from the evidence.
But if it was a murder, clearly it was thought through. If youve thought fairly throughly through a murder plan, why would you play one of the more risky getaway games and show yourself instead of finding some way to sneak out
@@anonymousperson3023 I think if you are a mafia, it's a power move. Everything about this case is suspicious and they still managed to get away with it and pass away with no consequences
@@anonymousperson3023 Fair point. But I guess if you're as much of a pro mafia guy as Mannix and you have an also very corrupted LAPD on the other hand... I dont think there's much of a reason to be careful if there are no repercussions anyway. Especially if that guy really is as powerful and connected as they made him out to be in the video.
Post mortem: Dosen't it seem like Lemmon's "prediction" of the death seems like she was trying to fool the others into thinking it was for sure suicide?
If she was actually joking and being seemingly dismissive of the possibility that he'd kill himself, she may have been abusive and driven him to do it if she wasn't the killer herself, which is what I suspect.
I feel like that fact that his girlfriend sat there and said " He is going to shoot himself", would be very suspicious to anyone there, unless they were in on it. She probably turned on the outdoor light to signal someone to come do the deed. Just my theory.
I think it could be a case of sod's law. I've been in situations where I've jokingly predicted something bad was going to happen only for it to then happen 🤷♂️
What ive read about him, is at times he joked about shooting himself just to see how others react to that. So perhaps the girlfriend was like: "He´s in such a mood that this time there is no joke." , and behold, thats how it turned out to be.
Yanno gotta say, “healthy polyamorous relationship to bitter exes murdering their former lover for his betrayal” sounds like an incredible plot for a book I might steal that.
For those that don't know: Shane, Ryan, and Steven Lim all have a channel named "Watcher"! They upload every Friday if you're interested in following what they do :)
@@loresfdz The channel has a diverse variety of content tbh (Cooking, drunken horror stories, etc). I would explain into detail but it’s honestly so much lol. I recommend searching the channel to take a look!
@@thedude4672 maybe I’m a bit biased because I do enjoy the content and entertainment is obviously subjective, but I would give it some time. They’re doing the best the can, having just gotten their company up and running before the pandemic hit. I’m sure they’ve got more fun stuff up their sleeves for when they’re able to get back out and film things like normal again.
Post Mortem: It wasn't a suicide. The people in that house knew what happened and covered it up. Whether it was an accident or intentional murder, I honestly don't believe Reeves took his own life that night. Police either didn't pursue this investigation correctly out of incompetence, as with the washing of the body and the neglect of evidence such as the bullet holes, or they were involved in helping cover up what happened. It's not hard to imagine that if it was murder, especially connected to mafia figures, that the police may have been paid off or perhaps were too afraid to identify them as the culprits. Whatever the answer is, I just don't think it was suicide. R.I.P George Reeves.
Imagine your fianceè being like "my husbands going to kill himself, oh! He is opening the drawer to get the gun right now!" I would be scared for my life and of that women WTH MAN
I find it curious they head the drawer opening. That, to me, says that this was murder. Guilty people tend to get VERY specific about little details (usually it's time). Even if the drawer is super squeaky, they probably shouldn't have been able to hear it, especially if they're talking (which they were, because Lemmon was making all those "jokes"). But what this means is that the opening of the drawer is important for some reason. They included that detail over and over for some perculiar reason. I don't think Eddie and Toni had anything to do with it, exactly. Because that would mean that the other four people in the house were in on it as well, as well as at least one other person. There was no way they weren't involved if it was a murder.. Do I think they were behind the "accidents"? Yes, that's possible. It's also possible Lemmon was. I think Lemmon did it. Her turning on the porch light that late at night is weird, the insistence on talking about the drawer of all things is weird, her jokes are weird, her letting in people that late is weird, the fact none of them thought her jokes were unsettling is weird, the fact the one person who didn't know him ran to check on him is weird... Everything was weird.
I thought of it as one of those awkward moments were y'all waiting for the "awkward" to pass and it seems like everything is "interesting" or sumn. You lay more attention in those moments so I think it's not weird they heard the drawer. But ur last paragraph is quite convincing
My mom thought the same thing. She even said that how would they hear it if he was upstairs and they were downstairs and why would they listen closely to him? I personally think it could be murder or suicide, but Im putting my money on murder.
@@BladedHorizon Even while hanging out, there are momentary “lulls” of conversation where everyone is quiet. If George was really angry and surprised the guests, maybe they were quiet to avoid annoying him and were waiting for him to go upstairs? That’s my guess
I just can't get over the angle his head would have to be in to also hit the ceiling. Like that doesn't just happen and a hit to the head is a tough shot so Lemmon shooting him like that in a rage feels weird.
Postmortem: it was the boy who wanted to test if he was bulletproof. He wanted to make it an isolated area so the bullet wouldn’t ricochet and harm anyone else. However he figured out George was not Superman.
Nobody is going to talk about how a guy who plays Superman for a living has a fiancee who has two L's in her name? Leonore Lemmon it's like Lois Lane or Lana Lang.
Post Mortem: I love how Shane tried to defend himself by not being a potential murderer by saying if the old lady had killed a dog instead of JFK he would murder her instead of being interested
Make sure to leave your questions for our Post Mortem episode down below!
Only post mortem question I have is I'm going to miss the ghoul boys on this channel.....I guess I didn't really have a question lol
Well I mean Shane is blonde that's all I'm going to say
Why are you guys stopping buzzfeed unsolved? Btw. Love the hair and jacket Shane! #shaniac
Y’all better make more episodes one the watcher
how do you think this will transfer over to Watcher?
“Bergara never misses, except when he hunts ghosts” LMAOOOO sick burn
Also, it's kind of sad that even back then DC movies were crappy hahaha
Seems like the Nolan trilogy was the one bright spot in a long line of shlockfests
@@KaladinVegapunk thats not true and you know it
I had to pause go back and replay it just to make sure I heard right!! Lmfao 😂
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I loved how Reeves convinced the boy to put his gun down without bursting his bubble that superheroes don't exist... Sad he had to go like this...
reminds me of how characters at Disneyland act
@@lolarose8973 yeah that's true...
He seemed like a great guy.
@@damnfeds7032 ip logger moment
Imagine the little boy finding out that Reeves died from getting shot
"He's going to shoot himself."
"He's getting the gun out now."
*gunshot*
"It was just a prank, bro."
*casually comes back to life*
"Oh okay. Time to get a drink!"
Best comment all day
Jake Paul be like:
@@armourofodd277 u mean logan paul? unless i’m missing something
I feel bad for George, he never had a single chance to truly show his full talent and was cut short by horrible people
Agreed
In the flash movie they also put a CGI cameo of him. They basically gave him one more middle finger in death
@@billross9132wait, how?
@@blacksmoke6292 by putting it in The Flash movie.
@@theasianjaywalker4455I understand it now.
The only good part of this being the last season is that Ryan and Shane can rest their sore backs for carrying BuzzFeed.
@@yogurt4785 no, just stopping true crime series. They said that they haven't finished the 'are ghosts real' series
@@theophilusomhurchu4438 really?! Is that confirmed tho? 😃
@@josh6567 I believe they're moving all of their content to Watcher and creating their own series.
@@josh6567 Yeah, Watcher is their own channel along with Steven Lim. After this season they are doing that full time
@@MiniM0usee according to Variety, supernatural is set to premiere in the fall
Really sounds like the worst party ever. Randomly starting in the middle of the night. Naked host yells at you to leave. Bullet holes in the ceiling.
Plus a really bad life of the party :/
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They left out the detail that he came down in a bathrobe, got a guitar out, and started "entertaining" the small little "party" with songs.
Still, must've been the most depressing post-midnight party ever.
The fiance telling you that her fiance is abt to khs 😭
Sounds like a normal Hollywood celebration!
Plot twist: The 11 year old boy who asked if George was really the “man of steel” ended up killing him out of curiosity.
Whoooa 🤯
I was thinking that aswell 😂😂
WAIT
And then stripped him nude?
@@sgoof2449 to check if the bullet really ricocheted *WOAH*
I love how the story of him telling the boy that the bullet would hurt bystanders feels like something that would legitimately happen in a Superman comic book.
Genuinely sad that this is the last season of True Crime. Nothing will beat the voice Ryan does when reading the stories.
They have their own channel called Watcher
watch their puppet history series on Watcher, it is hilarious!!
@@bowlingpin3092 i love shane and ryan so i want to love the watcher channel so bad but i just... don't f with it
And they can't beat hot daga in intermezzo, Ryan and Shane's wheezes, and many more😆
@@bowlingpin3092 yeah, but it’s really just not the same. Unless they’re able to do it there, idk.
If this is truely the last season, Buzzfeed is in big trouble.
He did say true crime so maybe they will still do the paranormal one
@@MelaineT We can hope. Paranormal is the better series IMHO.
@@souhhey8605 fr???
buzzfeed without unsolved is buttfeed
buzzfeed's been in trouble ever since three of it's most popular people left to start up watcher
“Shane…I killed JFK”
(Pause)
“What did it feeeeeeel like”
@@AxxLAfriku what is wrong with you ? You cringe SOB
@@rx2976
Lol if you check his comment history he spams the same messages over and over on several videos. The guy is a spaz.
@@AxxLAfriku Hey buddy, zip your pants back.
@@AxxLAfriku make better ad campaigns
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Apparently Lemmon continued that 'joke' after they heard the shot. She said "See there - I told so!" upon hearing the gunshot, which makes this case even more macabre.
HELP WJAT..............
@@zleepyissheep4219 yea this case really just blows my mind
What was wrong with that woman? Goodness gracious.
@@Atetrigrams Tbf, if you WERE making that joke when you heard the drawer open and everything, of course you would follow up on it when you hear (what you believe to be nothing more than) a sound similar to that of a gunshot. I’ve definitely made jokes that would sound extremely suspicious in a certain context, idk about you
@@baintreachasgirl what 😭
“I was always more of a Batman guy” -Shane Madej, looking like the Joker
900th like
He really does 🤣
@@mariegames7991 isn't it weird that we are the only people that replied
@@mlfrisk5573 Yes. Yes it is.
5:21 especially
“Leonore Lemmon” straight up even SOUNDS like a comic book name.
Fits with all of Superman's love interests having double-L names, too
She sounds like she hosts a kids puppet show on tv
her name is so cute frr
I was sort of half-listening when they said it, and I genuinely had to ask if that was a superman character or not
Lana, Lois, Lori...
I have once said, "Get out of my house." to someone my family invited over who was being lewd and disrespectful. It did feel powerful.
Leave my home
tell us more let us live vicariously through you did it work
I feel ya. I did the same thing to my sisters mother in law from hell after she came into my home and felt amazing to get that off my shoulders
GET OUT OF MY HOUSE! *person about to leave* AGGRESIVELY ATTACKS
Lol something tells me they were glad to leave your presence
Can we just talk about how Shane wanted to take tap dancing lessons with Ryan… that’s adorable I love their friendship
Fans of this show are so goddamn dense lmao
@@wyattearp585 ???
Their friendship is the best man
@@wyattearp585 IKR everything is so deep lmao
It's surprising that they apparently get along well because Shane is a Taurus and Ryan is a Sagittarius.
The "he's gonna shoot himself, he's opening the drawer" feels like she was priming them to think suicide instead of murder
Trueeeew
THAT IS ACTUALLY SO SMART
hmmmmmm...
she probably did it and then told the story to the other people downstairs the suic!de story, and since some of them are drunk (assuming due to the appearance of alcohol) it could've led to their only possible answer to the police that would heavily confront the four of them, it was an easy manipulative way to make such ending.
@@soni1891 yeah idk the only witnesses being drunk people possibly being purposely lead to come to a specific conclusion just seems weird
- he’s opening the drawer!
- he’s taking the gun!
- he’s walking towards the bed!
- he’s putting the gun to his temple!
… hella good hearing she had
She did indeed
“To the final season of unsolved”
**everyone disliked that**
so why is this the final season?
@@Dave-mv1yk probably because they're not with BuzzFeed anymore
it’s alright! they have another channel, watcher
@@iris5792 they're not going to do the unsolved supernatural type stuff like actually visiting the place kinda thing
Final season of true crime, there should at least be another paranormal series
You guys should really do an episode on the missing 9-year-old girl, Asha Degree.
She just woke up randomly at 3 a.m. one cold, dark, rainy, and stormy morning, and decided to leave her house and walk for miles up along a pitch-dark highway. Alone. Dressed in her pajamas in 40-degree weather. No umbrella, raincoat, or jacket.
And then she just went missing. Baffles me until today.
they don’t post on this channel anymore
Do they post somewhere else now?
@@nizablue3127 i think ryan said they won’t do a true crime show
They don't post on that channel but Ryan and Shane should make a video on her if they can. You are right, that case is super mysterious. Nothing in that case makes sense at all
i feel like the nature of the cases would be different if they did, i read somewhere that true crime and researching took a toll on ryan's mental health so i don't think he'd subject himself to it again
They heard his bedside drawer open? 1am, they're drinking and having a party, and they can hear the sound of this dude opening a bedside drawer from a floor away?? What the hell was this nightstand made of, scrap metal?
Lmao
yeah that detail is sus af
He was the man of steel after all
I found that suspicious as well.
The Fixer + cops probably made the story up together.
Ryan" "you befriend an older women"
Shane with absolitely NO hesitation in a sultry voice: okay
🤣
24:30
Everyone knows these two bring in more than half the Buzzfeed audience.
the only reason they are still a thing is cuz of shane and ryan
Yeah. Sounds like buzzfeed doesnt want to pay, which makes sense, theyre broke.
I come for the crime, stay for the hosts
I literally went looking for the views on past videos and most of them don't get even 1/4 of views this one had alone. 😭
Yeah
I would’ve asked each person individually what Reeves was wearing when he went downstairs. If each person had a different story, that would’ve brought up some red flags. I personally believe it was a sex party that went bad.
Thought the same thing as well.
He was raped too by one of the guys..
@@brazil87fullol stfu it lies h would've had it on his autopsy
@@brazil87ful source?
That explains the nudity, but I want to know if he usually slept in the nude. If not, that’s suspicious.
They joke about George's name but completely pass by a woman named Leonore Lemmon.
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING, I WAS EXPECTING SHANE TO START LAUGHING ABOUT IT
It’s like a name from clue
When life gives you Lemmon, she will like you (:
Someone was named Nann in a previous episode and nothing was said lol
Also a woman with LL initials gets with a Superman actor?
How big of a coincidence is that
“I wanna be a tap dancer but you won’t go to those lessons with me!” Old married couple strikes again!
We are all going to miss the "wheeze" really bad.
💔
@BeenLimed true, the 'wheezes' live on over there
@@egg_bun_ 😭
@BeenLimed Yeah but Buzzfeed Unsolved still hits different.
I love the fact that there’s a note on George Reeves’ wikipedia article referencing this episode
Ryan: “Which theory are you putting your money on?”
Shane: “….yes.”
1.8K likes, but no reply?
@@pwbfirdaus2193 sad
Plot twist: ryan created the coronavirus to avoid going to tap dance classes with shane
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
🦠🦠🦠
However with the cancellation of buzzfeed unsolved, this case will remain.... unsolved
Why is no one else talking about how they were thrown off by Shane’s hair now THERE’S a plot twist
Lmao it was on one of the watcher lives and his insta
The plot twisted
We already saw it on his social media
Bc everybody knew already lol
I'm more concerned for Ryan's hairstyle. Ily Ry Guy, but pls fix that 😂 It doesn't work for you.
Just as a lil note, if the bullet was found lodged in the ceiling it would've passed through the skull. If you compare the force of an entry wound and an exit wound, keeping in mind the bullet slows as it passes through stuff etc the exit wound has a higher level of force. This is something that is often shown incorrectly in tv series, movies, etc as they have things / people that have been shot move AWAY from the gun with the force of the bullet. Ballistic experts have tested on pig carcasses, which are the closest thing to a human, and every single time the body moves TOWARDS the gun because of the force of the exit wound. So if George Reeves had shot himself with his head on an angle, the bullet lodging in the ceiling, the force of the exit wound would have launched him forward and onto the floor.
But if you’re going away from the gun, like you said, wouldn’t it have launched him back???
I am no detective, but I made a comment kind of explaining on how I could see him launch back instead of forward:
If reeves was sitting on the side of the bed, distressed and about to kill himself, he would have been hunched over on his right knee, holding the gun to his head, having his head to the side, and then when shooting, the force would have pushed him back and his hand down, more than likely dropping the gun between his legs.
I’m just curious.
I don’t 100% believe it was a suicide though, because he was naked and no clothes were reported on the staircase or anywhere in the room.
But if it was a suicide or a suicide set up, I can see on how the bullet made it to the ceiling, knocking him back, and dropping the gun between his legs.
One thing you did say was the exit wound. I don’t believe they mentioned too much about it (even though I just watched it, I’ll have to go back a little), but they did mention blood on the ceiling, mean it would have HAVE to have gone through his skull.
I’m curious to see where you take this…
@@TheMandapanda1205 reread what I said. In tv shows, movies, etc gunshots always portray the person being blown back by the impact. In reality the exit wound is a greater force than the entrance wound. Ballistics tests confirm this. If there’s an exit wound then the person wouldn’t moved towards the gun. The blood on the ceiling is from an exit wound which means he should have been on the floor not the bed if it was self inflicted.
@@byfairestbloodhow does the exit wound have more force though? the bullet is at its highest velocity when it leaves the gun and decelerates after that point, so presumably the entry wound would have more force
@@ramonodonnell1561 likely for the same reason exit wounds are always bigger than the entry point: the kinetic energy of the bullet is transferred to the skull/flesh/meat/etc
For PostMortem: The porch light seems like a signal that George was home. Lemmon was the one who switched it on, seems like she sent a signal to someone. Also she just kept saying "He is gonna shoot himself, he is getting his gun" seems like she is reiterating to the visitors that it is suicide and she has no hand in his death. Also, even if she knew he was gonna take his own life, why would she specifically think he was gonna use a Gun? It is like one of those suspect confessions, when suspect goes like "Moreover I don't own a 9mm German Luger" when Police never mentioned the cause of death.
She knew the gun was in the draw and they hired the draw open
@@lewisgg1234 dude what? Haha
#postmortem
I feel like the answer gets turned into this mysterious mystical thing because it could just be hard for some to understand why anybody famous would just off them self. Regular people do it everyday, so it’s not that far off to hypothesize that being famous but not having any money to show for it could have added to putting a gun to his head. Especially if the studio knew he was struggling with being an alcoholic. The fact humans can’t know what somebody else is thinking sucks because now his death is left to speculation. Who knows if it was a conspiracy or somebody who truly was suicidal. Somebody suicidal isn’t going to go and tell the whole world “ hey, I want to off myself”. Usually people open up after the thoughts have subsided and you can think clearly but nobody is going to admit something is going on, I doubt they were aware or cared about mental health in the 50-60s.
@@GlockOsaurus69 I agree......but homie wasnaked. That doesn't really align with suicide.
Not enough people are talking about Shane's thing for older women, LOL
@Thomas Lee Howell Oh wow, edge alert ‼️
@Thomas Lee Howell ur so edgy and cool 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Thomas Lee Howell we got an edge lord here guys‼️‼️‼️‼️😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
@Thomas Lee Howell never heard of you
@Thomas Lee Howell the only thing I can find looking up your name on google is a bunch of obituaries and a goodreads link.
Regarding Lemon predicting the suicide: it's possible he'd maybe threatened to do just that when he was distressed at earlier occasions, which could be why she also didn't feel the need to follow him up when he was visibly upset. Bliss being the most responsive would also make sense, since if he hadn't interacted with Reeves before, he would have no reason to think the man was "faking" anything and was truly in danger.
Ya she must've been aware that he was suicidal but was clearly dismissal about it and even joked about it until it ended up being real :/
Honestly don't think she predicted anything. I'm pretty sure Toni and her husband had him murdered.
@@zz7733 oh?
@@zz7733 lennore lemmon killed him and went back into the house and ripped off the police sticker and went into the fridge for food and money and never returned to go to this mans funeral or memorial service tells u a lot about her
Lemmon also could've been upsetting and trying to warn them. Like Lemmon figured he was going to do that, didn't want to see him do it, wanted the men to go and see what was going on, didn't want to get accused of shooting him or didn't want him to hurt her.
Or she killed him.
as yes, the proof we all needed: a mom that says her child would never comit suicide. it’s almost like we hear it everytime someone takes that path🥴
As happy as I am that they’re leaving buzzfeed to do their own thing on The Watcher, I hope they keep something like this format alive and that they explore spooky places together.
Yes
Same here honestly, and it's not like we don't got an assortment of video's to watch from one to the majority on this channel, but yeah I hope they copy this same exact particular style of video's and make it into something more interesting or do the same as they do here of course.
Yeah! I really hope they still do some true crime stuff over on Watcher
Yeah thats what I want, ryan and shane exploring places are the reason why im subscribed to buzzfeed unsolved
@@AcidReign156 If they did, they'd either have to change the format or buy the rights from buzzfeed.
“ Shane.... I killed JFK..” Is one of the funniest things that they’ve ever said in the span of all the shows they’ve been in
O
The only reason why I'm subbed to BuzzFeed.
Same here.
Same
Me too
Did you miss Ryan say, This is the season premiere of *_The Final Season of Unsolved True Crime,_* at the beginning of this episode? Sounds like the boys have grown into men and BuzzFeed can no longer afford their salaries!
Yup..when they are done with Supernatural i'll be unsubscribing to Buzzfeed.
Shane is so much more than just a Host - Actor - Puppet Man - Ghost Hunter and bridge owner. No one mentioned that he's a: golden god - sex symbol and fashion icon. Give the man some credit please.
Buzzfeed is nothing without Ryan and Shane.
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Fr 🤧✨
Hey hey Andrew and Steven
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Agreed
"I've always been more of a Batman guy" he says dressed like the Joker
Welp, the Joker was Batman’s biggest fan
Nice observation
Read this in Mark Hamilton's voice.
And he’s kinda a maniac, seems like it.
Post-mortem: Did Shane dye his hair because he’s now on a wanted list somewhere? 😂
I was looking for a comment about his hair!
@@phamiru I know he thought he could dye it without us noticing 😂🤯
@@phamiru same 😂
He should’ve done green to go with the purple velvet jacket.
Vaccine list
3:48 “hey Jan🤓, someone🥰 told me😘 it’s 🤪your birthday🥳, and I 🤠 wanna say😎, WOW🤩! hope 🤞it’s spooky 👻”
For Postmortem: Did they ever find Reeves's clothes? I don't see how he would have had enough time to be undressed if it was a hit. If Bliss ran up right after the gunshot, he would have seen the murderer removing Reeves's clothes. If it wasn't a suicide, I think that Lemmon, Bliss, and Van Ronkel have to be hiding some kind of involvement or knowledge.
Well you see he could have been wearing a bath robe when he went down stairs. It's also possible he removed his own clothes knowing he'd be offing himself because he didn't want his expensive clothes getting messed up. It's common for the person to feel empathy for the people they leave behind. Some lay down plastic to help with cleanup and some leave notes apologizing for the mess. It's quite common. It can also be easily made a murder as well though. They conveniently had company over specifically 2 people to give a solid alibi to the woman. The woman just happened to fire the gun a few days prier on "accident" or was it to make sure the gun would fire before they used it to murder him? He survived a car crash caused by his break fluid being drained so there was other attempts on his life? As for the body, position of the gun, casing and bullet all checks out to make it look exactly like what it was meant to look like. She said "He's gonna off himself, He's opening the drawer and he's gonna do it" or something along those lines to confuse her 2 alibis and make them go along with the story. There was definitely someone upstairs. They needed to make enough noise downstairs for George to leave the room and go downstairs so the murderer could sneak into the room with no windows and take the gun out of the drawer and wait for George to return. The gun was cleaned of ALL fingerprints not even the woman's were on it even though she had shot the gun days before. The body was cleaned quickly so no further evidence could be found which just makes it even more obvious someone cleaned up the crime for them and payed people off.
He came downstairs in a bathroom; it's not too hard to take off once you've gone back into your room.
@@OtakuWrath sounds pretty damn accurate to me
@@OtakuWrath How the shooting went down exactly though? How a killer end up shooting the ceiling without leaving signs of struggle. If he was concealed inside the room, the most natural thing to do would be to point and shoot, which would not leave a bullet in the ceiling. So how it happened?
If it is suicide it all fits. He puts the gun 45º or so to the side of the head. Explain the bullet in the ceiling (Ryan didn't say where was the exit wound. He didn't have to tilt his head in a odd angle for the bullet end up in the ceiling, like Ryan proposed). The luger ejects the casing from the top. So if the top of the gun was pointing back, that explain how he fell over the casing. If he is seating right at the edge of the bed, that explain how the gun feel to the floor.
I can't see why people think it is less likely than such complicated conspiracy.
@@Alkis05 Well if you have no reason to suspect someone is gonna shoot at you, you obey their commands if they have a gun pointed at you. The person with the weapon knew they wanted to make it look like a suicide so they instructed the man to do as he was told. Once in position they simply walked up to the man, held the weapon as if he was holding it himself and pulled the trigger.
These were payed professionals that knew what they were doing and likely helped construct the events of the entire night before hand. Of course it could also be exactly as it looks like but there was shady stuff surrounding the event such as a previous attempt on his life which is suspicious.
The person hid inside the room after the deed was done and waited for the other person to confirm the "suicide" and then when they went back downstairs the hidden murderer snuck out and left while everyone was distracted. When the police arrived they reported that the 3 were drinking alcohol, My guess would be that the woman used this as a distraction so the person upstairs could get out of the house without being seen or heard.
Ridiculous theory: The boy who he disarmed came back years later to exact his revenge.
"Let's see what happens when there's no crowd around this time muahahaha"
He's have to somehow know where Reeves was at the time and be able to sneak past 4 adults.
@George Washington What
th-cam.com/video/jIxR-BJmR4s/w-d-xo.html
What if that was true😳
Post Mortem: BUT THE NAKED PART IS WHAT CONFUSES ME. How quickly did the shot fire after he went up the stairs? Was it long enough for him to get undressed? Where were the discarded clothes? Next to him?? The timeline doesn’t work to me
That’s what’s throwing me too! Maybe he just had on like a robe or something that he could have taken off very quickly?
Like this is so weird.
maybe he was wearing a robe, after all it was 1 am
Maybe the dude who went up stairs took his clothes off and went down stairs😂😂😂
@@astra8065 maybe had a little fun
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Another theory: the little boy who tried shooting George, built up enough curiosity to find George's home and tried shooting him again.
For postmortem: has anyone considered the possibility that they were all having some kind of sex party? It was late at night and it would explain why he was naked, even his strange position. If one of them had some kind of interest in guns it would give context to there being previous gun shots in the floor. Plus since he was previously in a poly relationship, it would make sense that he was in an open/adventurous relationship with his current girlfriend. It would also kind of explain why he was found in a room with no windows. Perhaps there was some kind of accident with the gun and they all put their clothes back on and made up a story to tell the police. I don’t really trust anything that the media said about what had happened, including his ex talking about killing him to a priest.
wait i really like this theory
This makes sense!
Wait this makes a lot of sense
This does make sense
This one should really be discussed
"Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya" is BY FAR the greatest thing Shane has ever said no I do not take constructive criticism
Na .."What up demons its ya boi" is probably the best
I think it’s from the Thelma Tod episode“ LITTLE EXTRA SAUCCCE ON THIS ONE!”
"oozelong tea" was the best one
Shane didn’t come up with it though.
Lol it’s a great Midwest and southern saying
Back after the Watcher debacle. Feels good to pretend it hasn't yet happened
Watcher debacle?
Therapist: blond shane isnt real he can’t hurt you
blonde shane: 👱🏼♂️ what did it feeeeeel like
Hahahaha you are soo funny and quirky!!! Def havent heard that format before, total wild card!
Original
These ppl being mean, I thought it was funny 😚
*blonde
Smile you’re so goofy Annalyn, where exactly are you from?
Theory: The whole idea that they could hear the drawer being opened is boloney. So that leaves just one thing: the four agreed to lie about hearing the drawer, because then they could also lie about her saying "now he's gonna shoot himself". All of this to paint a picture of him killing himself and cover up the following: Reeves' girlfriend had one of her "Vesuvian" temper tantrums, pulled out the gun and threatened to shoot Reeves, or maybe she threatened to shoot herself. They fought over the gun, shots went into the floor, and then the last went through Reeves' head by accident. This also explains why she left and never returned to L.A.
P.S. Thanks for creating my favorite show, Ryan, Shane & Unsolved team!
I like this theory
Yeah Lemmon was shady as hell
Yeah that was a weird detail to me too. That drawer would’ve either had to have been loud as hell, or in the very next room, which we know isn’t true because Reeves was shot upstairs.
It's very far fetched that 4 people who were mere friends cover up for something like this for so long.
One of them is gonna break sooner or later if that's the case. Also, at the time of death they were drunk well enough. So, it is hard for all of them to manitain a coherent story. Someone's gonna mess up some details in a made up story.
Boloney is tasty
Ben Affleck played George Reeves in a movie making him the only actor to play both Batman and Superman.
he’s also daredevil so he’s a blind rich alien
Here's what the movie would've looked like if he'd played both parts:
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Why did I not know about this movie? I have to see it.
@@DeeVolpe1 I dont remember the name of it. But I enjoyed.
@@big_lolo_01 I looked it up. It's called "Hollywoodland" in case anyone else is wondering. I'm going to look for it to watch tonight. Thanks!
When Shane pretended to be Lemon and his hair was flapping about had me dying 🤣
Ryan: “I never miss”
Shane: “except when you hunt ghosts”
BOOOOOM
OOOOOOOH
Buuuurrrrnnnn
I had to actually Google the people who played superman because "reeves" sounded familiar but I thought he was thrown from a horse... well apparently there was a Reeves and Reeve that played superman and both had very bad things happen to them. Very bizarre
It would be trippy if Keanu Reeves ended playing the more recent superman.
The one who was thrower. From the horse was Christopher reeves.
Being thrown from a horse isn't that bizarre tbf. what WAS bizarre was that someone who was supposedly so big on horseback riding would forget to wear his helmet.
That's Christopher Reeve.
@@realunhingedraccoon I was thinking the same thing. How do you "forget" to wear a helmet?
I’m sure that Shaq feels more secure now after Ryan’s promise.
I'm imagining Shaq just sweating profusely up until the last part
I have no context for this yet lmao
Haha!
Noooo :( I don’t want them to stop making these, legit love the buzzfeed unsolved true crime 😭
The guests heard a drawer open in Reeve's bedroom? 1. Highly unlikely, just because of how far apart they would be. 2. Even if they did hear a scraping, squeeling, or other noise, why would they think of a dresser drawer? 3. If the guests were accurate in identifying the sound as a drawer in Reeve's bedroom, they would all have to know the upstairs layout (direction sound came from) and what noise a specific piece of furniture in his bedroom would make. (#2). It just doesn't hold up.
this makes me think the drawer opening could have been any door making a similar sound, like someone hiding in the closet playing the long game...
Big brain energy here
This should be on Postmortem!!
Idk I can hear people opening drawers from the upper floor when im downstairs
I can also hear doors open and close, they have distinct sounds lol
Roastmortem: Shane, you look like a member of a 2000’s boy band who escaped to the Oregon woods in the peak of their fame and only returned to public eye because you became a mystery man who owns a mystery shack tourist trap.
Sounds like a movie I tell u what write the screen play it sounds good
Close, but I believe it was more of southern Washington woods.
Tai Johnson that’s basically the plot to Gravity Falls.
m.th-cam.com/video/5RmcxlSVgcg/w-d-xo.html 😑
When there are no cops around, anything is legal!
For the postmortem: Is it possible the the “witnesses” were actually in on it? I feel like some sort of organized plot would make the most sense considering how he was found and the inconsistencies in the story.
But then why would they make Lemmon sound so suspicious?
And them coming over despite how late it was
What is this murder on the orient express..?
This theory was mentioend
I swear George is a swinger or polyamorous! And someone got jealous or greedy, and shot him. Why on earth would he be naked??
The background music in this episode is really good. Love the kind of melancholic jazz theme going on.
My problem about this is… where did George put his clothes if he’s in the nude? Did they talk about if his clothes would be at a corner, or in the closet?
@bcvbb hyui why did you copy someone else's comment?
Yeah! They didn’t specify where the clothes went. If they were right in the middle of the scene they would have been mentioned but it’s such an odd detail
I think those 4 guests lied about the story entirely. They must have had something to do with it.
yeah, but my biggest issue with the murder theory, is the angle of the bullet. it doesnt make any sense how another person could shoot a big guy like Reeves in the temple and make the bullet hit the ceiling above him. they would have to me really close and really crouched down to pull off that shot.
@@colonelbreadsticks I feel like the police was corrupted, paid to be hush hush. The police never checked into the details weirdly enough.
Post-mortem:
Ryan points out that it's an oddly suspicious scenario, that Lemmon would have context to joke about suicide but not compassion enough to go after him-
Personally I see that as Reeves expressing suicidal tendencies in the past to Lemmon but due to the stigma associated with men's mental health, up until the moment of his death it seems that she never took him seriously.
Do you believe that the view of mental health in that time period, mixed with Reeves' fame as Superman, changed the way the case was dealt with and viewed by the public? (E.g. the mother's insistence that her son never could have killed himself)
That's a good point
It's a good point but it doesn't explain the weird placement of the bullet
What about the confession from Toni in her 70’s when she says she had him killed? And why was he naked?
I agree he had definitely talked about it before but doesn’t explain why he was naked, extra bullet holes in the floor or the position of his body. But if Toni had him killed why wouldn’t she have Lemmon killed as well? Maybe the unexpected guests at 1 am saved her from the same fate. Gun man could’ve been waiting in a closet or empty room
Pickingwilddaisies well maybe she wasn’t as mad at her cause she wasn’t the one who betrayed her or something
Shane: *is more of a Batman fan*
Also Shane: *kinda dressed like he's Disneybounding as the Joker*
th-cam.com/video/yuqD8RS_WnA/w-d-xo.html🔥
No hes turning into willy wonka for sure
Holy crap, 666 likes in a comment about Shane!
@Nathan B r/whoosh
Watching this again, I realized something. Perhaps Lemmon was in on it and that's why she "narrated" what was going on so that the suicide would seem more believable to the others in the room.
Shane’s not a murderer, Ryan. He’s a demon, obviously
Yea true
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@@ahhhhh294 stop spamming, its not like people would click on the link there's no point
I like your profile pic
girl it's not 2018 anymore pick a new joke omg
why is no one talking about how weird everyone’s lives were
You need cooler friends
Was? Nah IS, it’s hollyweird for a reason
well that's hollywood, till this day lives of hollywood actors and actresses are still messed up at the end of the day who am i to judge?
Imagine going on a vacation with your girlfriend's husband and his mistress
That’s a love pentagon right there
Tobe honest, that sounds oddly wholesome.
@@user-rk7rl7tm5w square. Pentagon would be 5 people
@@user-rk7rl7tm5w Not how that works..
Great Gatsby has done that
There is SO much misinformation in the GR tragedy. For example, GR's bedroom, where he shot himself, did have a window. You can see it if you google his home on Benedict Canyon
For the postmortem: does anything mention anything more about his clothes? Like, were they thrown all over the floor etc? And, if he was murdered, why would the killer undress him?
maybe, the murderer undressed him cuz he had blood on his hands or worried that his handprints would be there...it is highly supicious that they did not mention of his clothes...and the blood splatter would be on the wall above the bed since he was shot at his right temple and lets not forget that his body was washed before further investigation, the body shouldn't be tampered with before the investigation...its really suspicious...and i think its a planned murder
He slept naked? As he was in bed!
@@nifflofair6685 well, before he died...he still answered the door and walked up stairs to his bedroom since he was not in a mood to entertain his guests..after he walked upstairs, it was then he opened his drawer and they said it was then he shot himself...and if he so sleeps naked, his clothes would be on the floor, near him
@@nifflofair6685 how did he have time to undress himself for bed if they heard the gunshot so quickly after he went upstairs? And also, if he was going to k*ll himself, why get ready for bed? It's suspicious is all
Maybe he was about to change clothes when the murder shot him.
For postmortem: If he was found naked, were his clothes in the room where he was shot? Was it possible that he came downstairs in a robe, then took it off in the room, before he was shot/shot himself?
they would have told the police what he was wearing
Maybe he just slept naked. Wouldn't be the strangest thing.
Another case of “Lapd destroys essential evidence to the case”
I don't think anything will ever be as painful as that scientist for the Amelia Earhart case though, where he examined some bones believed to have been her, then just burned it all in flames, like what the fork, that was our only physical lead lmao
Literally
You guys are great, crack me up! But here’s what happened.. They were ALL IN on the murder.. She turned on the lights to signal the others in.. After he was killed in bed by gunshot to the temple, they repositioned his body. George never woke up to the people coming over, the people came over ready to protect and cover for HER.. That’s why they were drinking.. To ease their nerves when lying. Lol. 💯
The final point is quite plausible to why they drank even after superman killed himself
I would watch a series of Shane and Ryan learning how to tap dance. BUT only on their channel Watcher
yes please!
Same
"Bridge owner"
Shane isn't about to let his feud with Wikipedia go, is he?😂
@@ketchup_hater In the Unsolved about the Goatman, they visit the Old Alton Bridge. This bridge is also referred to as 'Goatman's bridge', but Shane said that if the Goatman didn't stop him, the bridge would become *his* bridge. Needless to say, nothing happened and Shane proclaimed Ryan and himself as the rightful owners.
Wikipedia, on the other hand, refused to allow changes to the page and the Old Alton Bridge is still 'Goatmans bridge' and Shane is not having it😂
(It even went so far that they locked the page because too many people kept changing the name to 'Shane and Ryan's bridge)
Why buzzfeed still asking us “what unsolved mystery do you want to see next” as if the ghoul boys werent on their last season and as if the last season wasnt already filmed😭😭
Exactly my thoughts!
To hurt our feelings😣
Maybe that's the next big unsolved mystery. Perhaps they wanted to continue, but maybe something/someone stopped them.
Maybe they'll continue except it will be someone other than our ghoul boys.
Perhaps they genuinely mean it this time. Maybe the season is cancelled due to running out of ideas.
A plausible situation is they are now looking for anything that could be turned into content, and if nothing comes up, this truly is the last season.
I just wanted to say I have genuinely enjoyed watching all BUN content and I am so thankful for you guys! I routinely rewatch a lot of episodes. I can’t wait to see what you have in store for Watcher! Thank you!
Post mortem: No offense but the assassin could've just walked straight down the stairs and threatened the people there. I doubt anybody would speak up if they had been threatened by one of Mannix's guys. And Mannix's influence would also explain the police department's weird conclusions from the evidence.
But if it was a murder, clearly it was thought through. If youve thought fairly throughly through a murder plan, why would you play one of the more risky getaway games and show yourself instead of finding some way to sneak out
@@anonymousperson3023 I think if you are a mafia, it's a power move. Everything about this case is suspicious and they still managed to get away with it and pass away with no consequences
@@anonymousperson3023 Fair point. But I guess if you're as much of a pro mafia guy as Mannix and you have an also very corrupted LAPD on the other hand... I dont think there's much of a reason to be careful if there are no repercussions anyway. Especially if that guy really is as powerful and connected as they made him out to be in the video.
Post mortem: Dosen't it seem like Lemmon's "prediction" of the death seems like she was trying to fool the others into thinking it was for sure suicide?
Wouldn't her prediction just make anyone suspect her of being involved somehow?
@@stuffsummedup22 with drinks envolved, they might have overlooked it as some weird joke
If she was actually joking and being seemingly dismissive of the possibility that he'd kill himself, she may have been abusive and driven him to do it if she wasn't the killer herself, which is what I suspect.
@@stuffsummedup22 that seems possible 🤔
I feel like that fact that his girlfriend sat there and said " He is going to shoot himself", would be very suspicious to anyone there, unless they were in on it. She probably turned on the outdoor light to signal someone to come do the deed. Just my theory.
I think it could be a case of sod's law. I've been in situations where I've jokingly predicted something bad was going to happen only for it to then happen 🤷♂️
What ive read about him, is at times he joked about shooting himself just to see how others react to that. So perhaps the girlfriend was like: "He´s in such a mood that this time there is no joke." , and behold, thats how it turned out to be.
@@derry9755 that's not how narcissism works
@@ilewtf2234 Could be, the whole situation seems fishy to me though. :)
Yanno gotta say, “healthy polyamorous relationship to bitter exes murdering their former lover for his betrayal” sounds like an incredible plot for a book I might steal that.
Imagine unironically saying "healthy polyamorous relationship"
Just because you're personally narrow-minded, Wyatt, it doesn't mean other people can't love their multiple partners very well.
And I hope you're writing this book, Paige!! That'd be a great read.
@@wyattearp585
Imagine unironically saying 'Imagine unironically saying "healthy polyamorous relationship"'
@@wyattearp585 Healthy polyamorous ppl exist; loser
For those that don't know: Shane, Ryan, and Steven Lim all have a channel named "Watcher"! They upload every Friday if you're interested in following what they do :)
Whats it about???
@@loresfdz The channel has a diverse variety of content tbh (Cooking, drunken horror stories, etc). I would explain into detail but it’s honestly so much lol. I recommend searching the channel to take a look!
It's boring.
@@thedude4672 not at all man
@@thedude4672 maybe I’m a bit biased because I do enjoy the content and entertainment is obviously subjective, but I would give it some time. They’re doing the best the can, having just gotten their company up and running before the pandemic hit. I’m sure they’ve got more fun stuff up their sleeves for when they’re able to get back out and film things like normal again.
Post Mortem:
It wasn't a suicide.
The people in that house knew what happened and covered it up. Whether it was an accident or intentional murder, I honestly don't believe Reeves took his own life that night.
Police either didn't pursue this investigation correctly out of incompetence, as with the washing of the body and the neglect of evidence such as the bullet holes, or they were involved in helping cover up what happened.
It's not hard to imagine that if it was murder, especially connected to mafia figures, that the police may have been paid off or perhaps were too afraid to identify them as the culprits.
Whatever the answer is, I just don't think it was suicide. R.I.P George Reeves.
Okay, is no one going to acknowledge Shane's blonde hair?
I like it, but not as much as his natural color
i love it
Omg SOMEONE!! It took me by surprise and………..I really like it
lighter every season
It's kinda obvious, it's fun, something different.
Imagine your fianceè being like "my husbands going to kill himself, oh! He is opening the drawer to get the gun right now!" I would be scared for my life and of that women WTH MAN
If Watcher doesn't do a series about Shane, Ryan, and Steven taking tap dancing lessons I'm going to be big sad. :(
let’s hope they do 🤞🤞
I missed buzzfeed unsolved true crime.
A marvel fan I see
They should do it on weird and or wonderful world
They're getting back with are you scared!
I find it curious they head the drawer opening. That, to me, says that this was murder. Guilty people tend to get VERY specific about little details (usually it's time). Even if the drawer is super squeaky, they probably shouldn't have been able to hear it, especially if they're talking (which they were, because Lemmon was making all those "jokes").
But what this means is that the opening of the drawer is important for some reason. They included that detail over and over for some perculiar reason.
I don't think Eddie and Toni had anything to do with it, exactly. Because that would mean that the other four people in the house were in on it as well, as well as at least one other person. There was no way they weren't involved if it was a murder.. Do I think they were behind the "accidents"? Yes, that's possible. It's also possible Lemmon was.
I think Lemmon did it. Her turning on the porch light that late at night is weird, the insistence on talking about the drawer of all things is weird, her jokes are weird, her letting in people that late is weird, the fact none of them thought her jokes were unsettling is weird, the fact the one person who didn't know him ran to check on him is weird... Everything was weird.
This is what I was thinking, if they were drinking and hanging out how would they hear a drawer opening upstairs
I thought of it as one of those awkward moments were y'all waiting for the "awkward" to pass and it seems like everything is "interesting" or sumn. You lay more attention in those moments so I think it's not weird they heard the drawer. But ur last paragraph is quite convincing
My mom thought the same thing.
She even said that how would they hear it if he was upstairs and they were downstairs and why would they listen closely to him?
I personally think it could be murder or suicide, but Im putting my money on murder.
@@BladedHorizon Even while hanging out, there are momentary “lulls” of conversation where everyone is quiet. If George was really angry and surprised the guests, maybe they were quiet to avoid annoying him and were waiting for him to go upstairs? That’s my guess
I just can't get over the angle his head would have to be in to also hit the ceiling. Like that doesn't just happen and a hit to the head is a tough shot so Lemmon shooting him like that in a rage feels weird.
Yeah, I got a question for the Post Mortem: Why is Shane dressed like the Joker??
Q: "How could a murderer get away with four potential witnesses sitting downstairs?"
A: Money
When Ryan and Shane are gone for good, Buzzfeed’s in BIG trouble.
Buzzfeed: *master, you can't LEAVE ME!*
Literally just the truth.
@Nicholas Ramey that would be brilliant. To se mr Vallen work on these kind of stories-, he would mind of be like a mix of shane and ryan lmao.
Postmortem: it was the boy who wanted to test if he was bulletproof. He wanted to make it an isolated area so the bullet wouldn’t ricochet and harm anyone else. However he figured out George was not Superman.
Nobody is going to talk about how a guy who plays Superman for a living has a fiancee who has two L's in her name? Leonore Lemmon it's like Lois Lane or Lana Lang.
Or... Lex Luthor
7:18
“I never miss”
“Bergara never misses, unless he hunts ghosts”
Ryan’s face tho
Post mortem: Your hair looks nice blonde, Shane. Your hair looks nice with waves, Ryan.
Post Mortem: I love how Shane tried to defend himself by not being a potential murderer by saying if the old lady had killed a dog instead of JFK he would murder her instead of being interested
th-cam.com/video/jIxR-BJmR4s/w-d-xo.html
Idk if pushing someone in a pull is murder if they can swim
th-cam.com/video/yuqD8RS_WnA/w-d-xo.html🔥
That doesn't mean he's a murderer, that just means he's white. Source: I had the exact same reaction as Shane for both scenarios lmfao
We need Unsolved on Watcher when this season is over. This can't be the end of The Ghoul Boys.
Call it Watcher Not Solved
@@bumblebree1486 did... Did you read the post?
They're saying that they hope these seasons continue on Watcher.
@@creatureofhavoc4401 that’s what they were saying they should call the series if they continue on Watcher hahahhaha
@@creatureofhavoc4401 omg where? what post?
@@creatureofhavoc4401 umm where
Ryan and Shane would probably be the only people I would actually consider paying for a cameo.