Probably one of the few games out there where you don't need THE meta to enjoy all the content or most of it. And you can enjoy having your waifus in your main without any issue at all. Nowadays where in any game you install, ppl tell you use this unit, this one, this one and that one, and most of the times if you don't use them you will hit a hard wall. Lately I enjoy more the gachas by choosing waifus over meta and trying to make them work.
Good news is that you can use just about any ship on most maps. The min max stuff only matters for the hardest content. I am running the new dragon empery ships in world 12 to level them now.
I think a lot of the future UR BBs will have more specific requirements than the ones we have right now. Iowas will be best used with NJ, Yamato best with Musashi, and Lion will probably be best used in an HMS fleet. They'll all have a specific niche within that, rather than being OP generalists like Vanguard/Musashi/NJ.
Yeah, and it's already looking like that with YorkII, she synergizes with Enty and the Essex-class, and with the HVAR they can demolish Light-armor bosses pretty effectively
I agree with your assessment of which BB will be kicked first and how it’s most likely we get more Iowa’s before Yamato but we could have the super Yamato with 20 inch guns as a DR as she’s been in world of warships for a while. So I can see loads of IJN Yamato derivatives or prototypes being added more often than Iowa’s with Yamato being after everyone else. Japan had loads of competing designs for Yamato and lots of retrofit and successor ideas which is why in world of warships the IJN has more high tier battleships than everyone else because most of their designs were for the Yamato. So if AL adds say Missouri who works well with New Jersey Musashi might be kicked but if they add say a super Yamato or another super battleship concept as a research ship NJ might be kicked first. The US navy definitely have more UR gacha potential but the IJN definitely has more DR research potential.
To me, a person can be seen as oldbie. A "good" ship is when she has a role that no one does better/only she can do. Even if that role is extremely rarely needed, as long as she can do it, I will still prioritize her. Although an extremely strong ship, but if all of her roles had better options, I would still rate her as "bad" at the moment. A prime example is FDG, a once-monster, now powercreeped on all fronts. Include fighting boss and clear map, exercise,....
I agree, right now faction-wise Iron Blood is the most bland because you simply don't have enough synergy between the top damage-dealing ships like Ulrich and Friedrich And you end up lacking with Bismarck because she's too old-school, so maybe we'll see some crazy shit like Bismarck II or Grosser der Kurfurst specific to be used on an IB fleet
I follow a different algorithm: Is a shipgirl? Yes = good, make into a waifu No = check if female. Is female Yes = good, make into a waifu (more Anzeel art please 😍) No = not good.
I hate seeing NJ in fleets just because I don't have her since I joined late. I hope Bismarck get a unique augment and makes her competitive worth bringing atleast to IB fleets.
There are some ships that I need to analyze first before I know how useful they are. But there are also some cases when I just need to bring them to a sortie once, and I already know how good they are. Musashi is the example of the latter lol
What I recommend is looking at Main gun efficiency and multiplying with MGM. The thing why plymouth is op and why I was pretty sure she was from the start is, if you do that with her: Good CLs have about ~150% Efficiency or ~125% with MGM+1, which means a total of 250%. Plymouth has MGM+2, so fires 3 salvos a 120%, which makes a total of 360%. Combine that with a good FP stat and voila, you get something as strong as plymouth
Good discussion. I have a question. Nagato sadly lacks consistency and yet still is sort of part of premium at least before York II for IJN carriers is she still in a good spot or was it a case of need to?
Look at skills, Nagato increases the DMG of all your Sakura Empire Carriers by 20% and it became a question if her 20% is better that a 3rd CV when its 20% more damage on Shinano and Hakuryuu.
About the JJA comp, how can you complete the fleet? I was thinking if going full HMS, King George V and Queen Elizabeth, or Unicorn+Perseus and add Bellona for the air raid assistance
Azure lane is hard to make a meta list. Most of the roster will do just fine. It goes down really to their synergy. Role. And content your going for. Fleet setup matter more than just the ships themselves
I know that you don’t like tier lists Kimo, but, how is New Jersey? Can you tell me the pros and cons she has? Like a update on her cause she will have a rerun and it would be nice to know what is happening to her. Since you know, many meta changes.
@@Kimocheese Thank you Kimo! You never disappoint! This is why I subscribed to you. You always give us great information wether it’s past or future content.
I mean...if your level 100+ ship with level 10+ equipment is blasting apart ships in an event where the max level is maybe 75 for the AI enemy... I'd be confident in saying its a good ship. You cant really have good or bad ships in the game because everything can be defeated by just being a higher level.
Alright in all seriousness there's almost no bad ships in this game you can use anything and still do well enough outside of the top top endgame so honestly just use whatever you guys like it's good enough
![[Azur Lane] Tier List of Vanguard Ships From an Endgame Perspective](/img/n.gif)
for me is, if i like it, is good
good mindset
waifu gaming
That's respectable
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meta is temporary, waifus are eternal (until a game dies)
Probably one of the few games out there where you don't need THE meta to enjoy all the content or most of it. And you can enjoy having your waifus in your main without any issue at all. Nowadays where in any game you install, ppl tell you use this unit, this one, this one and that one, and most of the times if you don't use them you will hit a hard wall. Lately I enjoy more the gachas by choosing waifus over meta and trying to make them work.
Good news is that you can use just about any ship on most maps. The min max stuff only matters for the hardest content. I am running the new dragon empery ships in world 12 to level them now.
lol same, running them as level 105s on 13-4 with BiS and they can do all mob fights just fine. (on safe + clearing mode obviously)
Everything is good as long as unicorn is there.
I think a lot of the future UR BBs will have more specific requirements than the ones we have right now. Iowas will be best used with NJ, Yamato best with Musashi, and Lion will probably be best used in an HMS fleet. They'll all have a specific niche within that, rather than being OP generalists like Vanguard/Musashi/NJ.
Yeah, and it's already looking like that with YorkII, she synergizes with Enty and the Essex-class, and with the HVAR they can demolish Light-armor bosses pretty effectively
I agree with your assessment of which BB will be kicked first and how it’s most likely we get more Iowa’s before Yamato but we could have the super Yamato with 20 inch guns as a DR as she’s been in world of warships for a while. So I can see loads of IJN Yamato derivatives or prototypes being added more often than Iowa’s with Yamato being after everyone else. Japan had loads of competing designs for Yamato and lots of retrofit and successor ideas which is why in world of warships the IJN has more high tier battleships than everyone else because most of their designs were for the Yamato. So if AL adds say Missouri who works well with New Jersey Musashi might be kicked but if they add say a super Yamato or another super battleship concept as a research ship NJ might be kicked first. The US navy definitely have more UR gacha potential but the IJN definitely has more DR research potential.
To me, a person can be seen as oldbie. A "good" ship is when she has a role that no one does better/only she can do. Even if that role is extremely rarely needed, as long as she can do it, I will still prioritize her. Although an extremely strong ship, but if all of her roles had better options, I would still rate her as "bad" at the moment.
A prime example is FDG, a once-monster, now powercreeped on all fronts. Include fighting boss and clear map, exercise,....
I agree, right now faction-wise Iron Blood is the most bland because you simply don't have enough synergy between the top damage-dealing ships like Ulrich and Friedrich
And you end up lacking with Bismarck because she's too old-school, so maybe we'll see some crazy shit like Bismarck II or Grosser der Kurfurst specific to be used on an IB fleet
@@gregoryartaviasalazar426bro just predicted the future
me when
I follow a different algorithm:
Is a shipgirl?
Yes = good, make into a waifu
No = check if female.
Is female
Yes = good, make into a waifu (more Anzeel art please 😍)
No = not good.
my way of thinking
Most of the time i don`t realistically know.
I just use those that skills i read are useful and sounded OP.
Be a gigachad and just mindlessly follow tier lists, i.e. put the top ships from every place in a fleet. Synergy who?
I hate seeing NJ in fleets just because I don't have her since I joined late.
I hope Bismarck get a unique augment and makes her competitive worth bringing atleast to IB fleets.
for a while, i was jealous of not having nj. now i have her and i am happy
@@LuckyE-CV6 I have her too now and I am happy too.
There are some ships that I need to analyze first before I know how useful they are. But there are also some cases when I just need to bring them to a sortie once, and I already know how good they are. Musashi is the example of the latter lol
I have faith that all ships are good if equipped with suitable enhanced gears.
Nice one, Correction: Its Fate
What I recommend is looking at Main gun efficiency and multiplying with MGM. The thing why plymouth is op and why I was pretty sure she was from the start is, if you do that with her:
Good CLs have about ~150% Efficiency or ~125% with MGM+1, which means a total of 250%. Plymouth has MGM+2, so fires 3 salvos a 120%, which makes a total of 360%. Combine that with a good FP stat and voila, you get something as strong as plymouth
Good discussion. I have a question. Nagato sadly lacks consistency and yet still is sort of part of premium at least before York II for IJN carriers is she still in a good spot or was it a case of need to?
Look at skills, Nagato increases the DMG of all your Sakura Empire Carriers by 20% and it became a question if her 20% is better that a 3rd CV when its 20% more damage on Shinano and Hakuryuu.
The best ship is the one you love the most.... looking at you Taihou . Of course this maxim doesn't a apply for a meta fleet.
Learn so much from this
Much thanks
Got most of the ships to lv 120. Now i just use whoever i like or have cool skill like super heavy shells from South Dakota
About the JJA comp, how can you complete the fleet?
I was thinking if going full HMS, King George V and Queen Elizabeth, or Unicorn+Perseus and add Bellona for the air raid assistance
But what about those of us that missed the first few URs? I unfortunately only have Ulrich, Musashi, and Implacable of the non retrofit URs.
does it have multiple mounts in what it excels at +luck and eva? Then it's good! eyeball the wiki very hard
Azure lane is hard to make a meta list. Most of the roster will do just fine. It goes down really to their synergy. Role. And content your going for.
Fleet setup matter more than just the ships themselves
Hey Kimo, I wanna ask a simple question. HMS Victorious equipping the gold TBM Avenger, do you think it is good or not?
Acceptable
I know that you don’t like tier lists Kimo, but, how is New Jersey? Can you tell me the pros and cons she has? Like a update on her cause she will have a rerun and it would be nice to know what is happening to her. Since you know, many meta changes.
I will when her rerun is out
@@Kimocheese Thank you Kimo! You never disappoint! This is why I subscribed to you. You always give us great information wether it’s past or future content.
I only Played this Game for Lore and Waifu Purposes haha and 1st Gacha Game
Glad to see another lore freak like me
I mean...if your level 100+ ship with level 10+ equipment is blasting apart ships in an event where the max level is maybe 75 for the AI enemy...
I'd be confident in saying its a good ship.
You cant really have good or bad ships in the game because everything can be defeated by just being a higher level.
People need to try full nation fleet
Wtf, how you get 11 Hornets ?
GO A TAKE ALL OF NJ equipment. man, i done some running(lvling other ships) she outperform everyone without any guns
Kimo, unfortunately I couldn't get Shinano. Which other ships have good synergy with Hakuryuu?
Any other hard hitting CV, enty, avp, ark
@@Kimocheese Thank You!
Yg cmn main BB enjoyer
If I like her she's good PERIOD
Alright in all seriousness there's almost no bad ships in this game you can use anything and still do well enough outside of the top top endgame so honestly just use whatever you guys like it's good enough
There's plenty of bad ships, lol. There's even SSR's that are way worse than a R...
You can get away with some goofy ship builds, and still dominate w13-w14 ive seen many who did that
now How to Determine Guns Performances. jk but would be nice