I am not sure how i fell in to this work hole but I love this channel and I can’t believe that you guys did a show about this 3 years ago… totally on top of the whistle blowing but how did this scam get so far 😢 thank you John and team
Collect all the names of those going against Tim Ballard and their false accusations against him , those are the very people protecting Elite Child Pedophile rings and their child trafficking industry as well as their apologists they are showing their true colours as we speak .
For those of you who don't know, John Dehlin just made a follow-up video, yesterday on 07/13/2023, on this topic of Tim Ballard and the Operation Underground Railroad organization. It was an interview with 2 Vice journalists, followed with an interview with Lynn Packer. It helped flesh out some details about what has happened in relation to the OUR org, the investigation into them, details about the assertions by the former employees and associates, the org's history of questionable fundraising methods, notable figures who have subsequently broken ties with the org, etc. I'd recommend listening to that discussion, for anyone interested in seeing this whole thing -- esp. the issue of child trafficking -- through a larger lens.
satan is running out of useful tools if all they have is one Utah journalist part of the Packer Mormon clan and Vice. Can you spell CIA MOckingibrd op.
@@thomasgilson6206 You said, "I do not find this video anywhere. Link please." Seriously? You can't have looked very hard. Read my comment! I'm explaining that John Dehlin, the owner of this very channel called Mormon Stories Podcast, just made a video the day before, on 07/13/23, on the topic of Tim Ballard. Did you even bother to look on his channel's list of videos? The title is: Sound of Freedom, Tim Ballard & Operation Underground Railroad: Reporters React | Ep. 1787 ; it was posted on 07/13. It is still there, I just checked. (Sheesh -- SMDH 😏) P.S. Do you not know that TH-cam's algorithm often deletes comments that contain video links?
I only just heard of this Tim Ballard person (along with OUR and The Sound of Freedom) last night. With what I've learned so far, my gut tells me that this man is building a brand for himself and that his aspirations are purely political. It sickens me that he is exploiting children (who have already been exploited) for his own political gain.
Genius, isn't it? Dare to point out the little man behind the curtain and watch how many people (or bots or both?) come screaming out to tell you that you're ONE OF THOSE MONSTERS if you dare even question The Sacred Movie. I mean, it's working for the hard left, so I'm more surprised the hard right didn't re-re-reappropriate this grift again/still even sooner, lol.
It may actually be worse than that. He's in the CIA. This wouldn't be the first time that the CIA has been implicated in human trafficking. If he's the all-American hero that he portrays himself as, then why is he flashing Masonic hand signs and getting druglord Carlos Slim to finance his movie? Not a good look! So, it's on him to clear his name if his intentions are transparent.
I’m still relatively new to this show. Started a Mormonism deep-dive last year and stumbled across the podcast fairly quickly. I’m impressed. John was talking about this over two years ago. And, of course, Lynn had already done the investigative work long before that. This show has a lot of credibility. Please protect it.
When I was 14 and going to the evangelical church I grew up in, I noticed how terribly common it was for +20yo men in the congregation to look for underage girls with the parents' permission. It felt like people thinking of their children like puppies they want to mate with someone, literally one lady offered her 16yo daughter to my older brother and an older cousin (they were 17 and 19 at the time) like she was offering some clothes or product. Every time I think back of that time I feel so enraged that this was so ingrained in that church and feel glad most of my family left years ago. It's a sad truth that predators mostly feel safe at churches because of these systems.
In my county that does not happen unless you are a man of money. If you are like us, my family, you have no chance to marry some of the girls inside. I heard and witnessed many bad marriages because the person love d someone from a different social background. Married to someone of her class just to be miserable. And guess what? Can’t get divorce because of the family position in the church. My cousin didn’t marry her love because my aunt didn’t think anyone was good enough for her blue eyes, blond hair girl. Well, that didn’t go well either. She got pregnant and had to marry the guy that was not even a Christian. I love God, but I hate religion.
My grandmother did this to me, offering my brother's 20 year old friend "any of these lovely ladies can be yours if you join the church." I was 14, my older sister 17, my cousin 16. I felt like cattle, and it was such a humiliating and dehumanizing experience.
True! There was a still-married-with-a-baby 30yo hanging around my little sister when I was a teenager watching tv with my dad and my dad did nothing, I had to throw him out of the house myself. They guy later gave testimony from the pulpit in church about how someone used info from his past against him, with the pastor sitting there and nodding along. I left in disgust.
I’m always intimidated by the length of these interviews, but I’m ALWAYS so glad I watched. What a great series. Brilliant journalist. Lynn deserves more recognition for his work.
I didn't grow up in Utah, but I went to college in Utah, worked in Utah for a few years, and now my parents and sister live in Utah. So I have a lot of connection and experience with Utah. But in all honesty, the longer I have been out of the LDS church, and the more time passes since I have moved far away from Utah, the more truly bizarre and weird Utah Mormon culture seems.
totally agree and i am from a similar situation where i am a full on ex-mo with continued ties to UT, not of my choice, and it does seem weirder and weirder that farther i get from it. Mos have an answer for that, though, as you will recall - something about being a "peculiar" people. That's one way to put it.
@@mwngw - Oh most definitely the emotional investment in being a Mormon impeded my ability to look at it objectively. In some ways it still does, even though I have been out for several year now. I did have a lot of good experiences that were associated with my being Mormon, and I cannot totally dismiss those. So in some ways it will always affect me.
I agree that any fraudulent activities need to be stopped. If they are doing this, they need to be taken down. However, let us not let this detract from the reality of this awful plight on humanity. Human trafficking exists. 24,000 is too much. 1 is too much. I worked in the military and saw this awful reality firsthand. Don’t forget about those that really are affected by this
Guess you missed the whole start of the video where he acknowledged it's a real and horrible issue but um hello the point of the podcast is how O.U.R. is a lying, money scam and a political movement with a tax exempt status, not to mention it purposefully plays on and reinforcing make believe Q conspiracy theories.
Nobody is arguing it exists, we're arguing that inflating and glamorizing it the way Ballard has only serves to detract from real efforts and real victims
I decided to sign up with OUR to see about helping. Before I retired I was a social media analyst specializing in terrorism. I thought I could be of help but their website was all about giving them money or doing other things that didn't seem to have much to do with rescue or prevention. Given that the majority of these pedophile sex traffickers operate online one would think his group would be into what I and many others did or are still currently doing. But they seem to have a closed group and aren't interested in "newbies". It seems odd to me.
The people who get up and arms about investigating and criticizing OUR don’t realize that it’s not that there is a problem with WHAT they are doing and stand for but a huge problem with HOW they operate and spread their message. With the lack of transparency from OUR it’s difficult in good faith to donate to them when the money from us and the government goes more into fundraising, stockpiling, and fear mongering than actively working to save children and educate the public appropriately. I don’t doubt that it started with amazing intentions- but the road to hell is often paved by good intentions.
This has happened time and time again as people, for a few reasons, get locked in to a binary mode of thinking. If you criticized George Floyd you were a racist, if you didn't get a CV jab you were a granny killer, if you don't like Sound of Freedom you're a pedo.. etc.
I’m a believing member of The Church of Jesus Christ but really enjoy watching these podcasts. Very informational, very eye opening, and I love hearing about peoples personal experiences.
I came across some of your video podcasts in late 2023 and became quite interested. Not because I have any connection to Mormons, but because I was brought up in an orthodox church setting. Many things brought up by guests in your podcast, I can really associate with and does help me to come to terms with different things that happened to me as I was growing up. So I continued to binge watch a lot of your episodes. Then I came across your video of Tim Ballard and noticed you had this video from 2 yrs before the movie came out (which I did watch) and decided to track from the beginning what all this fuss was about Keep in mind, by 2023 all the hidden money that the Mormon Church has been hiding has had the whistle blown on that. So if Tim Ballard was using money by fraud was nothing that would hurt the Mormon Church at all. So I did "yeah, whatever" through all that and all the political stuff, as well. But when I did open my ears, is when you had brought up that the abuse in the Mormon Church is probably more common than "stranger danger" and I had discovered that was a real problem from watching your podcast. Then why did Tim Ballard not fight to combat all that abuse within the Mormon Church of which he is a part of and had to know about? Now you do have my attention, and I totally agree, why was he not more concerned about the abuses that were happening right on his own door step?
Let me give you a perspective. Sex trafficking is a 94 billion dollar a year business!!! It is the most lucrative business.. Airlines business is 22 billion a year!!!!!
Fortunately, Lynn Packer, longtime investigative journalist & Vietnam Veteran, is not a rabid trumpist. He states his political views straight up towards the end of this interview. He is interested in facts and truth... we need more like him to report the news. What we don't need is lugnuts with stupid aspersions with no supporting evidence.
Please don't allow your 'patriotism' to blind you to the fact that of course there are people from other nationalities who are committing these atrocious crimes, but more importantly there are more from the 'white american group' who are involved in these heinous crimes! Please don't turn this into a 'race or ethnicity' matter as the REAL HIStory of Amerikkkka clearly shows the depravity innate in these people!
@@carolfranklin3861while simultaneously putting additional children at risk. If you save one child but your methods create 3 more victims then you have not done good. You have passively helped in their trafficking
Damn John, it literally seems like absolutely nothing is sacred anymore. So flipping sad. This BS is what really screws up genuine attempts for legit help.
Just goes to show that man is corruptible. Once a man gets enough money and power he inevitably becomes corrupt that’s why central government and big government is a horrible idea. It will always lead to an aristocratic/oligarchal class
@jeannemarie5908 Don't be obtuse or attempt to strawman me with your "wow" list bullshit. If you want to add to the conversation, fine. But when responding to me, respond to what *I said* or shut your trap...
@@Nevrenuff-qh5gpno. He didn’t. He probably did create a few local instances of people providing children because he was *asking* for them. Which then got funnelled into adoption.
John Dehlin: Can you please do a follow-up/update on this story about the potential fraud associated with Tim Ballard's organization? Since the film, 'Sound of Freedom,' just came out last week, the attention to this issue has skyrocketed, and we need to have more nuanced discussions to raise awareness about how this societal problem is being exploited and corrupted under the umbrella of 'fighting for solutions.' What is the latest? What happened with the investigation that was underway when you did this video in Nov. 2020? Please weigh in, with Lynn Packer or any others who have a broader view of what is going on. Another person who could be interesting to interview is Nic Mckinley, Founder and Exec. Dir. at DeliverFund. He was featured in an interview with Valuetainment, back on 03-05-2021, titled: Ex-CIA Agent Reveals How to End Human Trafficking.
The case was closed. Packer and Dehlin really should do a follow up with real stats and information. I watched this when it first was released, but after doing research, I realized that most of the information they share is totally false.
@@chasingfinancialindependence Thank you for that important update. It’s so difficult these days to get up to date, accurate info on so many issues. We don’t all have the time to sift thru all the reporting in order to get to the truth, as the past few years have demonstrated in the most egregious ways!
@@mormonstories it would probably be best if she explained it. She’s far more educated than me. But from my perspective it is a bit strange to use so much money and time to make a movie about this white guy who dose have a “white Savior complex” from things I’ve seen him say
@@mormonstoriesmaybe “crushed” isn’t the right word. Irritated, disappointed and upset better fit. But yeah she put all the problematic points on her story in IG
I'm listening to this series on 7/25 - 7/26/24. This series aged well..... particularly this episode. I'm non practicing legacy SDA and a never Mormon. However, Lynn is now "The Prophet" or at least, "My Prophet." Lynn predicted, here, the January 6 insurrection......... He also had the goods on Tim Ballard, the OUR, Utah's AG... long B4 the DNA evidence surfaced..... The subtle prediction of January 6 is what really knocked me over. God Speed as you rework, create journalism in this brave new world.
The recent outcome of the investigation is very discouraging. I am so disappointed that we allow these scammers to get away with stealing money from people in a fraudulent manner and instill fear within humanity.
I agree and got into a fight with a good friend telling me I need to see the movie.. I know so much about these scums with children be trafficked etc but I’m never supporting a scammer like the Charlie Wards & Simon Parkes out there who flew planes for Jimmy Savile to Top of the Pop Show.. Trump obviously duped like all his other supposed colleagues and old friends who turned out to be evil Luciferian pedophiles..But the Sheeple continue to follow evil conmen grifters in which is running rampant.. God Hates Ugly!!
@@karmiliaandrade9508 I don’t understand. Help me understand your comment. I refuse to see the movie. Tim Ballard and the Davis County Prosecutor office smell foul to me .. corruption. The man - Ballard - has pocketed millions. MILLIONS of dollars.
This episode started out good but then credibility started to decrease as they started to talk about events without enough information about said events. For someone who actually studied these events, its very difficult to believe your world view when you've not researched, in depth, the stories you're claiming to be false. And no, I'm not talking about Q or Tim Ballard. I'm talking about most of the other topics you've touched on. For example: If you think Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide then you have lost all credibility. Thinking that there is no conspiracy is just as stupid as thinking everything is a conspiracy.
@@Youknowitsmeman I don't think you'll ever regret staying. Leaving on the other hand.... I'm glad you agree. This podcast in-particular is full of people that have no credibility and frankly have no idea what they are talking about. Especially when it comes to the church. They've all twisted the truth to fit their narrative so they can paint a picture of the Church to portray it as something that it's not.
By watching Tim Ballard in his interview, I would not buy a book out of his hands, how people fall for this kind of stories is beyond me. Maybe people like to be deceived.
The question I have which hasn't been answered is how really effective are these nonprofits like OUR or POLARIS and others in eradicating sex trafficking. How much do they really help?
I wrote a long comment that got deleted. I’ll try again with a shorter one. I just wanted to say THANK YOU to you and Mr Packer. As someone who covered Beck from 2007-2014, and saw firsthand the birth of both OUR AND all the modern-day delusions that affect a large percentage of our country; a few of us tried to warn people about this unholy alliance between evangelicals, LDS, politics and corporate elites. We were constantly told that this group was a small fringe minority that would never see any power. I just wish I knew a solution to the mass delusion, anger and hatred we see today in our country. Unfortunately, they seem to have the money and power to fight back against exposure.
PS I am going to forward this to both my former partner, a journalist, who unfortunately suffered in his own professional career because of the reporting we did; and another journalist friend who now works for an international organization focused on combatting misinformation in politics and the media.
Great video podcast. Lynn Packer is a great investigative reporter, journalist. He has done a great service for mormons and our country. If you don't like what you are hearing here, do your own research. Truth is important to all of us. 🤷♀️
This takes away from the real heroic work being done to end rape trafficking! Please guide me to other groups doing what they are doing. Going in and having to act like a trafficker themselves in the worst of situations to get into these places where these kids are and try and get them out is beyond heroic. I pray for them and all the children. I can’t fathom the toll it would take on anyone to do this job. There is NO CRIME greater than hurting children. Thank you O.U.R!!!!
OUR failed to honor the sacredness of the mission they undertook. It is bigger than them. I wish they would have risen to the challenge. I'm disappointed.
I’m sorry you feel that way. Sound of Freedom was to bring awareness and it was made 5 years ago and hit every road block to make it to the screens. It was suppressed and nobody would take on the film. Disney blocked it after they bought Fox. They barely got this film out and it was not done by Hollywood. This film would never have made it if they added any more and I’m so proud they did not show more. This was a start, for awareness and just the tip of the iceberg of what is really going on. It’s up to WE THE PEOPLE to share it, talk about it, research it, go down the rabbit hole and stand against it! THANK YOU OUR and all those taking a stand.
@@dawnvibrations7848 People have been against child sex abuse and human trafficking long before Ballard exaggerated "fraud", to get more money. I can be against Ballard's errors AND against child sex abuse, get it? You really need to watch Lynn Packer's videos on the subject as part of your "rabbit hole".
Wow... anyone watching this and seeing at 28:20 how it claims validity in the 24,000 number there, especially when it's using "detected" is really deluded... I remember seeing a news report about heroin making its first appearance on the streets in a city that is local to me, and speaking with someone who struggled with it and how rampant it's distribution was, how easy it was to access, and that struggle happened 2 decades prior... numbers are routinely distributed in a way that misrepresents problems, and it's sad that they rely on those... especially considering how for so many years the UN and other affiliated orgs have systematically eroded laws that make it enabling for pedophiles to have greater and greater access to children for their sick desires to be fulfilled... I'm not saying that everyone involved in these things are saints, but I'm saying it takes a lot of hard work to keep the demons at bay when you need to live in the trenches with them for long enough... I'm speaking from experience in other dark places and I really hope that people take these kinds of "deep dives" that are so steeped in politics with a grain of salt...
John, I generally really like your interviews however I was really disappointed with this one. I think very little solid information was presented but alot of innuendos and quilt by associations were presented. In fact, I kept thinking that just about every point was quotes taken out of context or a strawman/ad-hominem regarding various individuals. In fact, I felt that Lynn spent alot of time attacking political individuals that really don't have any connection to the O.U.R. I personally was interested in the scam aspects of O.U.R and felt that this information was being used by Lynn to attack a certain political party individuals.
Btw, I think you nailed it on the interview with Robert Ritner. Those were incredible interviews. Additionally, I think the Shannon Caldwell Montez interviews are also fantastic. She might lean a certain way politically but she doesn't a majority of the interview about bashing the other party. Lynn's interview here is very petty, he can do better.
I have to agree, it seems to be politically driven. With as much bias as the participant blames the right of having. When we have people like Jeff Epstine, and all of the and sex cuts in Hollywood. This interview seems to discredit real problems. I don't know if Ballard's organization is legit our not. And after this interview full of opinion. I STILL DONT. LYNN is only interested in his political ideology.
Is it just me or does the US have a major issue with separation of church and state? And thus it's hard to have any discussion about religion without politics coming up. That's not your fault. All this enmeshment is just outlandish from a european viewpoint.
Finished listening to this via the podcast on January 6, 2024. How prophetic of Lynn voicing his concern about the transition from Trump to Biden as I listened on the 3rd anniversary of Trump’s leading an insurrection
Thank you for this interview. There just seems to be no end of manipulating the public for money and our life force. Praying for this malevolent agenda to cease. Prayers and awareness are required to know the truth.
@cellanddanielle you took the words out of my mouth ! People have to TURN AWAY FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS - THATS THE ONLY WAY ANYTHING CHANGES . This is Satan's world
Tim Ballard is not manipulating anyone. saving children is remarkable. do some research before you go and make comments like this. it is not good journalism to put down a man who is at least doing something to fight evil. what is packer doing for good? absolutely nothing. he should be ashamed!
1:35:00 “sex trafficking ring…it’s just a whorehouse basically” where he just said there were also child “available”. Why the dismissive tone to try and downgrade it to “just a whore house”. The way the reporter discusses these things is very off putting and makes me wonder
What is self serving about a movie promoiting a mans journey and his mission against Child Trafficking. If you dont approve of that so be it. But promotion of a personaity is not evil.
@@gamernerd7139well just to begin with … the movie focuses on the “hero’s” experience and emotions while the children’s experience and emotions were more of a subplot.
Just finished listening to the whole enchilada. Very good episode. When I was in High School in the 70's journalism was considered the "4th Branch of Government" and probably the most important. The really good journalists often paid with their lives. That is how much the word hates truth. Unfortunate, but just the way it is. Incarnate truth and love showed up once and, well, we know how that went. I thought it was interesting how this episode overlapped with the Utah MLM world. Talk about odd bedfellows. I actually have had an experience with Utah MLM. A mix of good and bad. In the end the OUR story, JS and CJCOLDS it all comes down to the same thing. The LOVE of money. People kill for that shit.
I admire both of these men and appreciate this video. To call Karl Marx a German professor of economics is simply not true. He never had a professorship anywhere. And to call him a mere economist minimizes his political theory entirely. Sorry, but when you get this wrong it just really dents your credibility.
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard this. Truly absurd. Some of his other comments about conservatives and 'conspiracy theories' were of the same quality.
I am not mormon. I live in the south. I am not aligned with Qanon and I know nothing about OUR. However, you and Lynn are naive to the reality of child sex trafficking. Just because it isnt prevalent in Utah doesnt mean it isnt real. It is very prevalent in other areas of the country (FL, CA, NY, TX, PA, MA, and many other states.)
Amen. Try living in Houston and having nearly daily amber alerts. Human and Child Trafficking is real. Long time listener officially leaving these pages. Tim Ballard and good team I’m sure aren’t perfect but they are building a movement and a cause, this takes money.
Sex abuse and trafficking is EXTREMELY prevalent in Utah. That's part of the problem. Tim Ballard's organization doesn't even acknowledge it, and in fact, Tim Ballard literally gives financial support to an organization who actively promotes sex abuse. The LDS church has unapologetically been HUGELY involved in perpetuating abuse, protecting predators, and silencing victims. There have been countless sting operations on LDS bishops taking advantage of the underage members of their congregation, and in many cases, the church has gone out of its way to protect these people. Many victims that form forward about abuse are excommunicated and silenced. Nobody is saying sex trafficking isn't real. It's very much the opposite, and it's a tragedy that there are people like Tim Ballard willing to make money off of it while doing nothing to prevent it from happening in our actual communities.
The fact that Mormons are involved truncates any credence, they rape more people 2nd to the Catholic church .......look Into the occult origins of Mormonism ....God forgive them for they do not know
I’ve watched some interviews with Tim Ballard and I was of course horrified by what I heard about the abuse of children. I am very happy this journalist has researched this and is sharing truth. I’m so tired of lies!
I'd like to see this guy have to do a report on how many children have truly been rescued cuz that's the number I'd like to know how many women got to go back home to their families how many people didn't have to be raped or had sex with people they didn't want to because this man Tim went in a rescued him That's the question I'd like to know we seem so hypocritical to call this guy evil? So what's the real truth cuz they seem to not be happy that a child was rescued if I'm listening to this reporter correctly because it's another countries problems to deal with and it's not America's problems? you seem like a good man where do I go with this?
@joshuatoro8977 their problem is that the way that Tim Ballard operates actively creates victims. It makes a market for more victims by leaving the impression that there is more of a market for young children. Their actions are helping kids AND hurting kids.
And how convenient. He found a niche... an organization that involves children... meaning he can automatically blur out their names and faces, and no one can can say a word. So it’s really easy to fly under the radar and make it difficult to fact check a lot of things.
Tim Ballard has actually stole my personal friend's patent. She fought hard, but is small business and did not have the finances to fight him. She has been fighting against abuse for over 25 and years was told by his attorney's that she just needed to ignore the situation.
It would be helpful if you could elaborate about what type of patent this was, and how this theft could have occurred. These types of soundbites are so truncated that readers can't really gather enough info to give them the attention they may deserve.
Don’t you have better things to do than to viciously attack a man trying to end child sex trafficking? That’s the hill you want your reputation to stand on?
The victims often don't see or meet the rescuers. Watch some of the other interviews Tim does. He explains how the rescues go down. They work with the local law enforcement who are the faces the victims see. OUR goes in as a customer, with an undercover camera and microphone to record evidence. The arrests usually happen before he's ever alone with the victim, who then goes to a safe house for longterm aftercare and counseling.
The fact that he’s talking about how they didn’t want to wear masks and still gather during the pandemic makes me wonder about this guys motives. Who cares about their political ideas relating to masking or not ? This has nothing to do with the topic. Or their other political affiliations? What difference does it make? I wanted to know if the organization was legitimate or not. Just objective truth.
Totally agree. Made me question Lynn Packer's other observations which seemed credible up to the point he started rubbishing Republicans. I'm not an American but recent years in Australia have made me realise the 2 sides of politics are no better than the other and both seem to working for their own political and financial gain.
I am surprised that there is not more outrage regarding Mr. Packer's view of Blacks/African Americans based on political affiliation. "Uncle Tom" is an extremely offensive term to call a member of the African American community. I do not care if a member of the African American community is Liberal or Conservative, either way, they should not be called a derogatory and racist term. Shame on you Mr. Packer!!! Shame on you!!!
I couldn't agree more! Isn't the lack of protests from commentators in this thread VERY telling about the views these people truly hold about classified 'Black and other ethnic minorities'?!
If you'd just stuck to talking about the made up numbers, fearmongering, sketchy behaviors, and exaggerated success, you'd have had something here. This conversation became so much about this guy's personal feelings about almost everything but Ballard and O.U.R.. Undermines credibility to a phenomenal degree to try to tie in mask wearing and whatnot to the question of whether this organization is doing what it claims it's doing.
Yes, absolutely it matters. When someone is raising millions upon millions of dollars for this cause but not using those funds to do what they say they are doing.
A lot of people are there helping these children. Mostly they are underfunded and working in their own countries. Their CEO isn’t taking a salary of $300,000+ and they’re not creating what are basically glorified LARPing jump teams to involve themselves in child sex trafficking in foreign countries.
I support Tim and all he does. He is helping these innocent babies. God gave us the wisdom of discernment. Listen to that inner voice and do what you feel is right.
@@carolfranklin3861 amen to that!! that’s what I’m saying!! It’s all talk with no evidence to back it all up. It’s hard to understand this even being an issue when it’s a disgusting thing that they’re doing to these children!!
Charity Navigator rated this charity 100 out of 100, and Guidestar rated it as silver. I wish it was discussed how they are wrong. I'm not a supporter of this charity, but I wonder why they are rated so well.
Charity Navigator was founded by Pat Dugan. His philosophy of how well a charity is doing is by how well they are fundraising. Many charities that do good work are Not recognized by Charity Navigator, for this reason, and this is unfortunate. Most people are not aware of their rating practices.
I was thinking, that it was "luck" that nobody got hurt on these raids (outside of the unsuspected "rescued" victims, who are probably scarred for life) but then I realised, that it's more likely that TB wouldnt engage a "fight", unless he is sure, that the "criminals" brought only their bare hands to his machine-gun fights.
It's Black pp* not "Blacks" and it is offensive for wp to call a Black person, an "Uncle Tom". Most wp just dont have the range, leave the intra-community calling outs slang to other Black pp. There are more neutral phrases, that wp can use and avoid being unknowingly offensive.
Some very concerning info was brought up re: Ballard and OUR. Too bad most of the discussion was centered on irrelevant political bias. Perhaps consider recording a shorter version and stick to the Ballard/OUR problems you can support with evidence.
Yes & their credibility is called into question if they fell for “the global pandemic”, effectiveness of masks/social distancing, making light of other kinds of child trafficking other than sex (labor/organs!), thinking Epstein actually killed himself or doubting the island existed or was for any purpose other than vacations, looking mainly to entrenched establishment sources (UN, WHO, CDC, DOJ, etc) & “justice” system court trials to “prove” evidence (news flash: elites never see the inside of a courtroom!), not digging deep into these pedophile rings for themselves (MANY made it to court w/CONVICTIONS like Dutroux etc). Have they ever viewed Instagram pics of “Jimmy Comet” (including the ones showing the underground basement being dug to “store tomatoes”)? Do they realize tunnel systems/DUMBs are all over the world? Have they heard of Jimmy Saville? The Finders? The UN trafficking scandal exposed in The Whistleblower? Are they familiar w/Wikileaks? Do they know what a psyops/false flag is (for ex, the “pizzagate shooter”). Do they know how the MSM weaponizes/manufactures “news” to serve their masters (predator class) by driving public opinion to cover dirty deeds or push an agenda? For journalists/researchers/investigators, these two are so disappointing. I DO believe the info re: Ballard being a grifter &/or worse, but the rest of this immensely-long interview needs to be edited onto the production room floor, to salvage their respect & credibility.
@Chippy. So many, together with yourself, seem determined to miss the point that a POLITICAL AGENDA is playing out concurrently with & thro' tim ballard's (& co) grand delu- sions of grandeur.
@56 minute mark... I'm fairly certain that's not how the Ping Pong shooter story transpired. Not even close. I was very engaged in this discussion up until that point.
You’re 💯 right. I think OUR and TB are totally shady, but this part was just a mess. The shooting happened in 2016 after the WikiLeaks release of the Clinton/Podesta emails. It was the FBI that linked the code words in the emails to trafficking. QAnon didn’t even begin until late 2017.
@trevorhaugen, can you discuss more about your mission with Tim and OUR? I really want to believe he is the real deal, but this is the 2nd video discussing this topic., I was about to sign up as a volunteer in some aspect, and this is very disheartening to think it isnt genuine
People go into Trafficking Multiple ways, So the comment about abduction is So Low Is SO MISSLEADING like you 2. 24,000 Kids Runaway every year & 1 in 7 of them end up being trafficked. And Different types of Government employees have been aressted for being involved in multiple states & ways. Just one Search where I'm from Polk County FL you could read ALL day articls about bust. That's 1 County it's in ALL 50 state's. You could Easily Fact checked these lies you two are saying. I live in 1 of the " Top Cities" in America now and we have a big problem here & have busted Goverment employees. How evil to LIE on Child that CAN'T defend themselves and Widely discouraged people to get involved locally because there's No issue. And With the MLM "thrive" Hat on lol what a joke!
John, I love your podcast and your guests just keep getting better. You do amazing work. In the case of a capable, organized speaker like Lynn, I’d love to listen to him give his presentation without so many diversions or instances of jumping around. Not trying to be overly critical, but I think a lot of the dialogue would be better served after the table is set. Anyway, keep up the great work!
Regarding the spread of QAnon, I think you should listen to former GOP Rep. Denver Riggleman. He's got a lot of ideas on how QAnon spread like wildfire, and you're not going to like them.
Ok... how much money is too much to spend for a rescued human life? TB has openly spoken about how he has gone on very expensive missions that ended up only being able to rescue a single child and have netted very few arrests, but I honestly don't care about how much money it takes, just that the work gets done... ask one of these children if they care about how much money was spent and whether they would see a problem with this... I guess you can put a price on human life...
@@inorgagroniWhen the money could be donated to organisations that provide results consistently and have done for many years, without taking huge salaries, that means more people get rescued. More rescues are better than less.
Who is here in Sept 2023 catching up on old stories in order to catch up to this weeks need.
2024, I missed this one!
I am not sure how i fell in to this work hole but I love this channel and I can’t believe that you guys did a show about this 3 years ago… totally on top of the whistle blowing but how did this scam get so far 😢 thank you John and team
Our pleasure!
Collect all the names of those going against Tim Ballard and their false accusations against him , those are the very people protecting Elite Child Pedophile rings and their child trafficking industry as well as their apologists they are showing their true colours as we speak .
@@zzzwy777 Is that you Tim?
For those of you who don't know, John Dehlin just made a follow-up video, yesterday on 07/13/2023, on this topic of Tim Ballard and the Operation Underground Railroad organization. It was an interview with 2 Vice journalists, followed with an interview with Lynn Packer. It helped flesh out some details about what has happened in relation to the OUR org, the investigation into them, details about the assertions by the former employees and associates, the org's history of questionable fundraising methods, notable figures who have subsequently broken ties with the org, etc. I'd recommend listening to that discussion, for anyone interested in seeing this whole thing -- esp. the issue of child trafficking -- through a larger lens.
@livingitup9647 link to the video?
satan is running out of useful tools if all they have is one Utah journalist part of the Packer Mormon clan and Vice. Can you spell CIA MOckingibrd op.
I do not find this video anywhere. Link please.
@@thomasgilson6206 You said, "I do not find this video anywhere. Link please." Seriously? You can't have looked very hard. Read my comment! I'm explaining that John Dehlin, the owner of this very channel called Mormon Stories Podcast, just made a video the day before, on 07/13/23, on the topic of Tim Ballard. Did you even bother to look on his channel's list of videos? The title is: Sound of Freedom, Tim Ballard & Operation Underground Railroad: Reporters React | Ep. 1787 ; it was posted on 07/13. It is still there, I just checked. (Sheesh -- SMDH 😏)
P.S. Do you not know that TH-cam's algorithm often deletes comments that contain video links?
@@livingitup9647 no need for a brain aneurism about it. Yes I found it.
Lynn Packer is great. Thanks for having him on.
I only just heard of this Tim Ballard person (along with OUR and The Sound of Freedom) last night. With what I've learned so far, my gut tells me that this man is building a brand for himself and that his aspirations are purely political. It sickens me that he is exploiting children (who have already been exploited) for his own political gain.
Genius, isn't it? Dare to point out the little man behind the curtain and watch how many people (or bots or both?) come screaming out to tell you that you're ONE OF THOSE MONSTERS if you dare even question The Sacred Movie.
I mean, it's working for the hard left, so I'm more surprised the hard right didn't re-re-reappropriate this grift again/still even sooner, lol.
Major deception, yes.
Very possible indeed. Something feels very off about it.
@@kassandranelson222 Literally nobody is suggesting trafficking doesn't exist.
It may actually be worse than that. He's in the CIA. This wouldn't be the first time that the CIA has been implicated in human trafficking. If he's the all-American hero that he portrays himself as, then why is he flashing Masonic hand signs and getting druglord Carlos Slim to finance his movie? Not a good look! So, it's on him to clear his name if his intentions are transparent.
I’m still relatively new to this show. Started a Mormonism deep-dive last year and stumbled across the podcast fairly quickly.
I’m impressed. John was talking about this over two years ago. And, of course, Lynn had already done the investigative work long before that.
This show has a lot of credibility. Please protect it.
When I was 14 and going to the evangelical church I grew up in, I noticed how terribly common it was for +20yo men in the congregation to look for underage girls with the parents' permission. It felt like people thinking of their children like puppies they want to mate with someone, literally one lady offered her 16yo daughter to my older brother and an older cousin (they were 17 and 19 at the time) like she was offering some clothes or product. Every time I think back of that time I feel so enraged that this was so ingrained in that church and feel glad most of my family left years ago. It's a sad truth that predators mostly feel safe at churches because of these systems.
In my county that does not happen unless you are a man of money. If you are like us, my family, you have no chance to marry some of the girls inside. I heard and witnessed many bad marriages because the person love d someone from a different social background. Married to someone of her class just to be miserable. And guess what? Can’t get divorce because of the family position in the church. My cousin didn’t marry her love because my aunt didn’t think anyone was good enough for her blue eyes, blond hair girl. Well, that didn’t go well either. She got pregnant and had to marry the guy that was not even a Christian. I love God, but I hate religion.
Child marriage is legal in 42 states. It’s a way to get away with raping children legally. No need for the churches to ship kids in.
My grandmother did this to me, offering my brother's 20 year old friend "any of these lovely ladies can be yours if you join the church." I was 14, my older sister 17, my cousin 16. I felt like cattle, and it was such a humiliating and dehumanizing experience.
@@iwantcandy2 It's terribly common in evangelical circles apparently as I've talked to other ex-christians.
True! There was a still-married-with-a-baby 30yo hanging around my little sister when I was a teenager watching tv with my dad and my dad did nothing, I had to throw him out of the house myself. They guy later gave testimony from the pulpit in church about how someone used info from his past against him, with the pastor sitting there and nodding along. I left in disgust.
I’m always intimidated by the length of these interviews, but I’m ALWAYS so glad I watched. What a great series. Brilliant journalist. Lynn deserves more recognition for his work.
Looks great thanks look
Same
I didn't grow up in Utah, but I went to college in Utah, worked in Utah for a few years, and now my parents and sister live in Utah. So I have a lot of connection and experience with Utah. But in all honesty, the longer I have been out of the LDS church, and the more time passes since I have moved far away from Utah, the more truly bizarre and weird Utah Mormon culture seems.
@@DancingQueenie lol - no fornicating
totally agree and i am from a similar situation where i am a full on ex-mo with continued ties to UT, not of my choice, and it does seem weirder and weirder that farther i get from it. Mos have an answer for that, though, as you will recall - something about being a "peculiar" people. That's one way to put it.
@@noshrinkingviolet007 X-actly correct. Peculiar is pronounced WEIRD AF.
Do you feel that "emotional investment" in being a Mormon held you back from looking at the church objectively?
@@mwngw - Oh most definitely the emotional investment in being a Mormon impeded my ability to look at it objectively. In some ways it still does, even though I have been out for several year now. I did have a lot of good experiences that were associated with my being Mormon, and I cannot totally dismiss those. So in some ways it will always affect me.
John Dehlin is the man!! Omg, 3 years ago you were warning us about this horrible excuse of a human, thank you!
I agree that any fraudulent activities need to be stopped. If they are doing this, they need to be taken down.
However, let us not let this detract from the reality of this awful plight on humanity. Human trafficking exists. 24,000 is too much. 1 is too much. I worked in the military and saw this awful reality firsthand. Don’t forget about those that really are affected by this
No one is denying that it exists.
I agree that we can’t ignore human trafficking but O.U.R. is fraud so i they are hurting those that need help the most.
Guess you missed the whole start of the video where he acknowledged it's a real and horrible issue but um hello the point of the podcast is how O.U.R. is a lying, money scam and a political movement with a tax exempt status, not to mention it purposefully plays on and reinforcing make believe Q conspiracy theories.
Nobody is arguing it exists, we're arguing that inflating and glamorizing it the way Ballard has only serves to detract from real efforts and real victims
@@MadeleineGereLynn's videos lay it out irrefutably. OUR should have been better.
I decided to sign up with OUR to see about helping. Before I retired I was a social media analyst specializing in terrorism. I thought I could be of help but their website was all about giving them money or doing other things that didn't seem to have much to do with rescue or prevention. Given that the majority of these pedophile sex traffickers operate online one would think his group would be into what I and many others did or are still currently doing. But they seem to have a closed group and aren't interested in "newbies". It seems odd to me.
The people who get up and arms about investigating and criticizing OUR don’t realize that it’s not that there is a problem with WHAT they are doing and stand for but a huge problem with HOW they operate and spread their message. With the lack of transparency from OUR it’s difficult in good faith to donate to them when the money from us and the government goes more into fundraising, stockpiling, and fear mongering than actively working to save children and educate the public appropriately. I don’t doubt that it started with amazing intentions- but the road to hell is often paved by good intentions.
This has happened time and time again as people, for a few reasons, get locked in to a binary mode of thinking. If you criticized George Floyd you were a racist, if you didn't get a CV jab you were a granny killer, if you don't like Sound of Freedom you're a pedo.. etc.
I’m a believing member of The Church of Jesus Christ but really enjoy watching these podcasts. Very informational, very eye opening, and I love hearing about peoples personal experiences.
Me too🙂🙂🙂
So how are you still believing the BS!!!!!!! You just hope it is real? It isn't! Joseph was a false prophet
Open your eyes man!
@@shieldb I think they are, that is why he is watching.
I do not believe this channel is lds
It's now July 6th, 2023 and the movie came out on the 4th of July, 2023. Let's see a followup video on this?
I came across some of your video podcasts in late 2023 and became quite interested. Not because I have any connection to Mormons, but because I was brought up in an orthodox church setting. Many things brought up by guests in your podcast, I can really associate with and does help me to come to terms with different things that happened to me as I was growing up. So I continued to binge watch a lot of your episodes. Then I came across your video of Tim Ballard and noticed you had this video from 2 yrs before the movie came out (which I did watch) and decided to track from the beginning what all this fuss was about
Keep in mind, by 2023 all the hidden money that the Mormon Church has been hiding has had the whistle blown on that. So if Tim Ballard was using money by fraud was nothing that would hurt the Mormon Church at all. So I did "yeah, whatever" through all that and all the political stuff, as well. But when I did open my ears, is when you had brought up that the abuse in the Mormon Church is probably more common than "stranger danger" and I had discovered that was a real problem from watching your podcast. Then why did Tim Ballard not fight to combat all that abuse within the Mormon Church of which he is a part of and had to know about? Now you do have my attention, and I totally agree, why was he not more concerned about the abuses that were happening right on his own door step?
By drawing attention far, far away, he could do what he wanted far, far away. Very cunning.
Let me give you a perspective. Sex trafficking is a 94 billion dollar a year business!!! It is the most lucrative business.. Airlines business is 22 billion a year!!!!!
Citation?
Thank you Mr. Lynn Packer for the work you have done in research journalism for this very disturbing state of affairs in the US.
Land of the ' free'..... lately there's nothing good in or coming out of US.....!
Title says 3 yrs ago , how long has this investigation been going on? July 2023 movie came out .
Fortunately, Lynn Packer, longtime investigative journalist & Vietnam Veteran, is not a rabid trumpist.
He states his political views straight up towards the end of this interview.
He is interested in facts and truth... we need more like him to report the news.
What we don't need is lugnuts with stupid aspersions with no supporting evidence.
I had the same thought. How would Americans feel if someone from a foreign country did the same thing on American soil?
Please don't allow your 'patriotism' to blind you to the fact that of course there are people from other nationalities who are committing these atrocious crimes, but more importantly there are more from the 'white american group' who are involved in these heinous crimes!
Please don't turn this into a 'race or ethnicity' matter as the REAL HIStory of Amerikkkka clearly shows the depravity innate in these people!
And save an innocent child from horrible abuse. It's happening every where in the world.
@@carolfranklin3861while simultaneously putting additional children at risk. If you save one child but your methods create 3 more victims then you have not done good. You have passively helped in their trafficking
Damn John, it literally seems like absolutely nothing is sacred anymore. So flipping sad.
This BS is what really screws up genuine attempts for legit help.
Just goes to show that man is corruptible. Once a man gets enough money and power he inevitably becomes corrupt that’s why central government and big government is a horrible idea. It will always lead to an aristocratic/oligarchal class
AMEN
We could be flying of in Jeremy Johnson’s helicopter saving kids in Haiti with the last AG- that turned out well.
It was all already known 2 years ago! Mormon stories was on it
Thank u so much 4 exposing this con artist. I've tried and tried to explain this to others, to no avail
I'm confused is tim ballard a fraud? Did he not rescue all the kids
@Nevrenuff-qh5gp Exactly. That's all I care about. Is he rescuing children, or isn't he. Everything else is a (deliberate) distraction.
@@rachybaby72
So, it’s okay for Tim to steal, lie, cheat, place other children at risk & abuse cohorts .. as long as he is rescuing a child? Wow.
@jeannemarie5908 Don't be obtuse or attempt to strawman me with your "wow" list bullshit.
If you want to add to the conversation, fine. But when responding to me, respond to what *I said* or shut your trap...
@@Nevrenuff-qh5gpno. He didn’t. He probably did create a few local instances of people providing children because he was *asking* for them. Which then got funnelled into adoption.
Also MLM's primarily target women so politicians arent going to move on it. The old "She shudda known better"!
Wow. Some of these comments didn’t age well and it’s only been month.
John Dehlin: Can you please do a follow-up/update on this story about the potential fraud associated with Tim Ballard's organization? Since the film, 'Sound of Freedom,' just came out last week, the attention to this issue has skyrocketed, and we need to have more nuanced discussions to raise awareness about how this societal problem is being exploited and corrupted under the umbrella of 'fighting for solutions.'
What is the latest? What happened with the investigation that was underway when you did this video in Nov. 2020? Please weigh in, with Lynn Packer or any others who have a broader view of what is going on. Another person who could be interesting to interview is Nic Mckinley, Founder and Exec. Dir. at DeliverFund. He was featured in an interview with Valuetainment, back on 03-05-2021, titled: Ex-CIA Agent Reveals How to End Human Trafficking.
Lynne Parker addressed the investigation that was suddenly discontinued
The case was closed. Packer and Dehlin really should do a follow up with real stats and information. I watched this when it first was released, but after doing research, I realized that most of the information they share is totally false.
@@chasingfinancialindependence Thank you for that important update. It’s so difficult these days to get up to date, accurate info on so many issues. We don’t all have the time to sift thru all the reporting in order to get to the truth, as the past few years have demonstrated in the most egregious ways!
@@chasingfinancialindependenceyou realized that most of the info they shared is false, who? OUR or Lynn?
@@TheBold1994Lynn’s info is false. The criminal investigation of OUR was closed in May2023 with no charges or any fault found
Thank you for doing this John. His movie just came out and it crushed my wife who’s devoted her life to this work.
Why did the movie crush her?
@@mormonstories it would probably be best if she explained it. She’s far more educated than me. But from my perspective it is a bit strange to use so much money and time to make a movie about this white guy who dose have a “white Savior complex” from things I’ve seen him say
@@mormonstoriesmaybe “crushed” isn’t the right word. Irritated, disappointed and upset better fit.
But yeah she put all the problematic points on her story in IG
@@RampidWarthogStudioswhat’s her IG?
@@jtm7clan277it’s expired now. I have screen shots Ivan get to you somehow
I'm listening to this series on 7/25 - 7/26/24. This series aged well..... particularly this episode. I'm non practicing legacy SDA and a never Mormon. However, Lynn is now "The Prophet" or at least, "My Prophet."
Lynn predicted, here, the January 6 insurrection......... He also had the goods on Tim Ballard, the OUR, Utah's AG... long B4 the DNA evidence surfaced.....
The subtle prediction of January 6 is what really knocked me over.
God Speed as you rework, create journalism in this brave new world.
Lynn Packer predicted the attack on the capital and so much more. We need more Lynn Packer’s in this world.
The recent outcome of the investigation is very discouraging. I am so disappointed that we allow these scammers to get away with stealing money from people in a fraudulent manner and instill fear within humanity.
Yep. And the thousands of ppl who think they’re doing something against the elite by going and supporting this film
What outcome and investigation? Where is the data as you are pointing to?
I agree and got into a fight with a good friend telling me I need to see the movie.. I know so much about these scums with children be trafficked etc but I’m never supporting a scammer like the Charlie Wards & Simon Parkes out there who flew planes for Jimmy Savile to Top of the Pop Show.. Trump obviously duped like all his other supposed colleagues and old friends who turned out to be evil Luciferian pedophiles..But the Sheeple continue to follow evil conmen grifters in which is running rampant.. God Hates Ugly!!
@@gamernerd7139 The case was closed.
@@karmiliaandrade9508
I don’t understand. Help me understand your comment.
I refuse to see the movie. Tim Ballard and the Davis County Prosecutor office smell foul to me .. corruption. The man - Ballard - has pocketed millions. MILLIONS of dollars.
It is so ironic.....all the discarded boys from the Warren Jeffs cultures...why not help rhem?
Julian Assange, Liz Crokin, ITNJ, Fiona Barnett. Isaac Kappy , Seth Rich. Conspiracy theories? Hillary’s laptop.two sides to every coin.
🎯🎯🎯
This episode started out good but then credibility started to decrease as they started to talk about events without enough information about said events. For someone who actually studied these events, its very difficult to believe your world view when you've not researched, in depth, the stories you're claiming to be false. And no, I'm not talking about Q or Tim Ballard. I'm talking about most of the other topics you've touched on. For example: If you think Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide then you have lost all credibility. Thinking that there is no conspiracy is just as stupid as thinking everything is a conspiracy.
@@Youknowitsmeman I don't think you'll ever regret staying. Leaving on the other hand.... I'm glad you agree. This podcast in-particular is full of people that have no credibility and frankly have no idea what they are talking about. Especially when it comes to the church. They've all twisted the truth to fit their narrative so they can paint a picture of the Church to portray it as something that it's not.
AMEN!
Totally agree & just left a similar comment.
This needs to be reposted or pinned today! 12/18/23 so others can see how deep this topic is for whats going on now!
I love his professionalism in journalism. There needs to be more Lynn Packers.
You may want to research him. Most of his career was with MSM. I don’t trust him at all
Watching this in 2023 .
Vindication is the least that can be said
The very sad irony is that upon deep dive investigation one will discover that many patrons of this horror are high ranking elders in LDS church
It can all burn
By watching Tim Ballard in his interview, I would not buy a book out of his hands, how people fall for this kind of stories is beyond me. Maybe people like to be deceived.
Ballard has used hyperbole/exaggeration to swindle and con good people with good intentions.
He’s a grifter.
Like trump..
The question I have which hasn't been answered is how really effective are these nonprofits like OUR or POLARIS and others in eradicating sex trafficking. How much do they really help?
I wrote a long comment that got deleted. I’ll try again with a shorter one. I just wanted to say THANK YOU to you and Mr Packer. As someone who covered Beck from 2007-2014, and saw firsthand the birth of both OUR AND all the modern-day delusions that affect a large percentage of our country; a few of us tried to warn people about this unholy alliance between evangelicals, LDS, politics and corporate elites. We were constantly told that this group was a small fringe minority that would never see any power. I just wish I knew a solution to the mass delusion, anger and hatred we see today in our country. Unfortunately, they seem to have the money and power to fight back against exposure.
PS I am going to forward this to both my former partner, a journalist, who unfortunately suffered in his own professional career because of the reporting we did; and another journalist friend who now works for an international organization focused on combatting misinformation in politics and the media.
@@elaineg60 Do you happen to have any more info & can you expand on "covered Beck"? We used to be a big supporter of both OUR & Naz. Fund!
Great video podcast. Lynn Packer is a great investigative reporter, journalist. He has done a great service for mormons and our country. If you don't like what you are hearing here, do your own research. Truth is important to all of us. 🤷♀️
Couldn't get names right... But ok....
This takes away from the real heroic work being done to end rape trafficking! Please guide me to other groups doing what they are doing. Going in and having to act like a trafficker themselves in the worst of situations to get into these places where these kids are and try and get them out is beyond heroic. I pray for them and all the children. I can’t fathom the toll it would take on anyone to do this job. There is NO CRIME greater than hurting children. Thank you O.U.R!!!!
Agree. These evil doers are swept under the rug too often, don’t help hide it for them.
OUR failed to honor the sacredness of the mission they undertook. It is bigger than them. I wish they would have risen to the challenge. I'm disappointed.
I’m sorry you feel that way. Sound of Freedom was to bring awareness and it was made 5 years ago and hit every road block to make it to the screens. It was suppressed and nobody would take on the film. Disney blocked it after they bought Fox. They barely got this film out and it was not done by Hollywood. This film would never have made it if they added any more and I’m so proud they did not show more. This was a start, for awareness and just the tip of the iceberg of what is really going on. It’s up to WE THE PEOPLE to share it, talk about it, research it, go down the rabbit hole and stand against it! THANK YOU OUR and all those taking a stand.
@@dawnvibrations7848 People have been against child sex abuse and human trafficking long before Ballard exaggerated "fraud", to get more money. I can be against Ballard's errors AND against child sex abuse, get it? You really need to watch Lynn Packer's videos on the subject as part of your "rabbit hole".
@@dawnvibrations7848 I agree, but also uncover if the people behind the movie are corrupt. Maybe they are, maybe they're not.
I appreciate the clarity of Packer’s comments, most especially the political associations. The truth is important.
Idolatry of Idiology. Any doctrine that requires more than one sentence to explain it.
Great program!!! Thank you.
Wow... anyone watching this and seeing at 28:20 how it claims validity in the 24,000 number there, especially when it's using "detected" is really deluded... I remember seeing a news report about heroin making its first appearance on the streets in a city that is local to me, and speaking with someone who struggled with it and how rampant it's distribution was, how easy it was to access, and that struggle happened 2 decades prior... numbers are routinely distributed in a way that misrepresents problems, and it's sad that they rely on those... especially considering how for so many years the UN and other affiliated orgs have systematically eroded laws that make it enabling for pedophiles to have greater and greater access to children for their sick desires to be fulfilled... I'm not saying that everyone involved in these things are saints, but I'm saying it takes a lot of hard work to keep the demons at bay when you need to live in the trenches with them for long enough... I'm speaking from experience in other dark places and I really hope that people take these kinds of "deep dives" that are so steeped in politics with a grain of salt...
Such a bunch of crap.. two years later and so much proven to be true.
inspiring interview .
John, I generally really like your interviews however I was really disappointed with this one. I think very little solid information was presented but alot of innuendos and quilt by associations were presented. In fact, I kept thinking that just about every point was quotes taken out of context or a strawman/ad-hominem regarding various individuals. In fact, I felt that Lynn spent alot of time attacking political individuals that really don't have any connection to the O.U.R. I personally was interested in the scam aspects of O.U.R and felt that this information was being used by Lynn to attack a certain political party individuals.
Btw, I think you nailed it on the interview with Robert Ritner. Those were incredible interviews. Additionally, I think the Shannon Caldwell Montez interviews are also fantastic. She might lean a certain way politically but she doesn't a majority of the interview about bashing the other party.
Lynn's interview here is very petty, he can do better.
I have to agree, it seems to be politically driven. With as much bias as the participant blames the right of having. When we have people like Jeff Epstine, and all of the and sex cuts in Hollywood. This interview seems to discredit real problems. I don't know if Ballard's organization is legit our not. And after this interview full of opinion. I STILL DONT. LYNN is only interested in his political ideology.
Is it just me or does the US have a major issue with separation of church and state? And thus it's hard to have any discussion about religion without politics coming up. That's not your fault. All this enmeshment is just outlandish from a european viewpoint.
America has big money issues. Meaning if you got the money, you can have an issue
Utah has problems with separation of Church and State. I wouldn’t apply that problem to the entire country
If only people were educated on England's HIStory of "enmeshment with Church and State"!....
Finished listening to this via the podcast on January 6, 2024. How prophetic of Lynn voicing his concern about the transition from Trump to Biden as I listened on the 3rd anniversary of Trump’s leading an insurrection
This aged really well!
good journalism without the hate and fear mongering does that
Thank you for this interview. There just seems to be no end of manipulating the public for money and our life force. Praying for this malevolent agenda to cease. Prayers and awareness are required to know the truth.
Save the children.
Prayer doesn't work. I'm sorry to inform you.
@cellanddanielle you took the words out of my mouth ! People have to TURN AWAY FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS - THATS THE ONLY WAY ANYTHING CHANGES . This is Satan's world
Tim Ballard is not manipulating anyone. saving children is remarkable. do some research before you go and make comments like this. it is not good journalism to put down a man who is at least doing something to fight evil. what is packer doing for good? absolutely nothing. he should be ashamed!
1:35:00 “sex trafficking ring…it’s just a whorehouse basically” where he just said there were also child “available”. Why the dismissive tone to try and downgrade it to “just a whore house”. The way the reporter discusses these things is very off putting and makes me wonder
I’d love a follow up piece on this now that the new self serving Tim Ballard movie is coming out
What is self serving about a movie promoiting a mans journey and his mission against Child Trafficking. If you dont approve of that so be it. But promotion of a personaity is not evil.
@@gamernerd7139well said!
@@gamernerd7139well just to begin with … the movie focuses on the “hero’s” experience and emotions while the children’s experience and emotions were more of a subplot.
Just finished listening to the whole enchilada. Very good episode.
When I was in High School in the 70's journalism was considered the "4th Branch of Government" and probably the most important. The really good journalists often paid with their lives. That is how much the word hates truth. Unfortunate, but just the way it is. Incarnate truth and love showed up once and, well, we know how that went.
I thought it was interesting how this episode overlapped with the Utah MLM world. Talk about odd bedfellows. I actually have had an experience with Utah MLM. A mix of good and bad. In the end the OUR story, JS and CJCOLDS it all comes down to the same thing. The LOVE of money. People kill for that shit.
Tony Robbins is very involved with Tim Ballard
God, protect, help, bless Any revealing grifting….
I admire both of these men and appreciate this video. To call Karl Marx a German professor of economics is simply not true. He never had a professorship anywhere. And to call him a mere economist minimizes his political theory entirely. Sorry, but when you get this wrong it just really dents your credibility.
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard this. Truly absurd. Some of his other comments about conservatives and 'conspiracy theories' were of the same quality.
I am not mormon. I live in the south. I am not aligned with Qanon and I know nothing about OUR. However, you and Lynn are naive to the reality of child sex trafficking. Just because it isnt prevalent in Utah doesnt mean it isnt real. It is very prevalent in other areas of the country (FL, CA, NY, TX, PA, MA, and many other states.)
No one claimed it isn’t real.
Amen. Try living in Houston and having nearly daily amber alerts. Human and Child Trafficking is real.
Long time listener officially leaving these pages. Tim Ballard and good team I’m sure aren’t perfect but they are building a movement and a cause, this takes money.
Sex abuse and trafficking is EXTREMELY prevalent in Utah. That's part of the problem. Tim Ballard's organization doesn't even acknowledge it, and in fact, Tim Ballard literally gives financial support to an organization who actively promotes sex abuse. The LDS church has unapologetically been HUGELY involved in perpetuating abuse, protecting predators, and silencing victims. There have been countless sting operations on LDS bishops taking advantage of the underage members of their congregation, and in many cases, the church has gone out of its way to protect these people. Many victims that form forward about abuse are excommunicated and silenced. Nobody is saying sex trafficking isn't real. It's very much the opposite, and it's a tragedy that there are people like Tim Ballard willing to make money off of it while doing nothing to prevent it from happening in our actual communities.
No one denied that trafficking is an issue...
The fact that Mormons are involved truncates any credence, they rape more people 2nd to the Catholic church .......look Into the occult origins of Mormonism ....God forgive them for they do not know
I’ve watched some interviews with Tim Ballard and I was of course horrified by what I heard about the abuse of children. I am very happy this journalist has researched this and is sharing truth. I’m so tired of lies!
If Mr Packer is being invited as a journalist, he should be allowed to report everything.
He should also have to back all of his claims up with facts, and not be talking about his opinion, which he readily admit, it is, all the time!
I'd like to see this guy have to do a report on how many children have truly been rescued cuz that's the number I'd like to know how many women got to go back home to their families how many people didn't have to be raped or had sex with people they didn't want to because this man Tim went in a rescued him That's the question I'd like to know we seem so hypocritical to call this guy evil? So what's the real truth cuz they seem to not be happy that a child was rescued if I'm listening to this reporter correctly because it's another countries problems to deal with and it's not America's problems? you seem like a good man where do I go with this?
One example @28:00 He backs it up, by proving they have exaggerated the numbers.
@joshuatoro8977 their problem is that the way that Tim Ballard operates actively creates victims. It makes a market for more victims by leaving the impression that there is more of a market for young children. Their actions are helping kids AND hurting kids.
And how convenient. He found a niche... an organization that involves children... meaning he can automatically blur out their names and faces, and no one can can say a word. So it’s really easy to fly under the radar and make it difficult to fact check a lot of things.
John please do a follow up podcast to this story.
Your a good man, John Dehlin. Thank you so much for what you do.
Just one more basket of evidence proving definitively...that religion makes no sense.
Tim Ballard has actually stole my personal friend's patent. She fought hard, but is small business and did not have the finances to fight him. She has been fighting against abuse for over 25 and years was told by his attorney's that she just needed to ignore the situation.
It would be helpful if you could elaborate about what type of patent this was, and how this theft could have occurred. These types of soundbites are so truncated that readers can't really gather enough info to give them the attention they may deserve.
Hopefully that Tim Ballard gets arrested, there will be possible for your friend to recover what was stolen. Blessings 🙏🙏
@@livingitup9647I agree. More specific details would be nice.
Don’t you have better things to do than to viciously attack a man trying to end child sex trafficking? That’s the hill you want your reputation to stand on?
* and then god asks what did you accomplish in your life? *
Lol, T.B. NEVER rescued children!!! He’s the problem, a sick predator!!!😡
Many are that are Mormon!
Thank you, again.
Watching from Alaska.
2024, almost 25. Amazing the work this man did before anyone else. Bravo.
Also, I know a woman that was kidnapped and abused for years; she said to me that she escaped but OUR claims Tim rescued her.
@@PesquisasMormonas Manu!! No sabía que seguías éste canal. 🥰 anyway, a woman from my work told me this; Tim and OUR did not rescue me, I escaped.
The victims often don't see or meet the rescuers. Watch some of the other interviews Tim does. He explains how the rescues go down. They work with the local law enforcement who are the faces the victims see. OUR goes in as a customer, with an undercover camera and microphone to record evidence. The arrests usually happen before he's ever alone with the victim, who then goes to a safe house for longterm aftercare and counseling.
@@tamaraelsberry6630OUR has very, very few rescues compared to other similar ngos
Yet MILLIONS of dollars!
The fact that he’s talking about how they didn’t want to wear masks and still gather during the pandemic makes me wonder about this guys motives. Who cares about their political ideas relating to masking or not ? This has nothing to do with the topic. Or their other political affiliations? What difference does it make? I wanted to know if the organization was legitimate or not. Just objective truth.
Totally agree. Made me question Lynn Packer's other observations which seemed credible up to the point he started rubbishing Republicans. I'm not an American but recent years in Australia have made me realise the 2 sides of politics are no better than the other and both seem to working for their own political and financial gain.
Rescue children with compromised immune systems then give them Covid? Really cares about kids eh.
So ridiculous that wearing a mask is a political statement in America! Geez. The rest of us just prefer to reduce the spread of germs if we are sick!
LDS culture. Magic Mill, Bosh Mixers, home made Bread and quilts have been taken over by Multi Level Marketing.
Crafts mean nothing. lDS was never wholesome.
Tim is leveraging God on his supporters. And business is good.
Nick Bryant and Whitney Webb deserve a platform as big as Ballard's.
Any follow up on this?
Ballard and Jim Cavezil are hitting such prominent platforms these days.
Please enable the TH-cam English subtitles for this informative video.
Thank you. Watching from Alaska.
Thanks for watching!
I am surprised that there is not more outrage regarding Mr. Packer's view of Blacks/African Americans based on political affiliation. "Uncle Tom" is an extremely offensive term to call a member of the African American community. I do not care if a member of the African American community is Liberal or Conservative, either way, they should not be called a derogatory and racist term. Shame on you Mr. Packer!!! Shame on you!!!
I couldn't agree more!
Isn't the lack of protests from commentators in this thread VERY telling about the views these people truly hold about classified 'Black and other ethnic minorities'?!
If you'd just stuck to talking about the made up numbers, fearmongering, sketchy behaviors, and exaggerated success, you'd have had something here. This conversation became so much about this guy's personal feelings about almost everything but Ballard and O.U.R.. Undermines credibility to a phenomenal degree to try to tie in mask wearing and whatnot to the question of whether this organization is doing what it claims it's doing.
I’m a bit confused?! One is too many.!!! Does it even matter as long as someone is helping these children?
Yes, absolutely it matters. When someone is raising millions upon millions of dollars for this cause but not using those funds to do what they say they are doing.
A lot of people are there helping these children. Mostly they are underfunded and working in their own countries.
Their CEO isn’t taking a salary of $300,000+ and they’re not creating what are basically glorified LARPing jump teams to involve themselves in child sex trafficking in foreign countries.
I support Tim and all he does. He is helping these innocent babies. God gave us the wisdom of discernment. Listen to that inner voice and do what you feel is right.
@@jeannemarie5908 where is the evidence?
@@carolfranklin3861 amen to that!! that’s what I’m saying!! It’s all talk with no evidence to back it all up. It’s hard to understand this even being an issue when it’s a disgusting thing that they’re doing to these children!!
Charity Navigator rated this charity 100 out of 100, and Guidestar rated it as silver. I wish it was discussed how they are wrong. I'm not a supporter of this charity, but I wonder why they are rated so well.
Charity Navigator was founded by Pat Dugan. His philosophy of how well a charity is doing is by how well they are fundraising.
Many charities that do good work are Not recognized by Charity Navigator, for this reason, and this is unfortunate. Most people are not aware of their rating practices.
I was thinking, that it was "luck" that nobody got hurt on these raids (outside of the unsuspected "rescued" victims, who are probably scarred for life) but then I realised, that it's more likely that TB wouldnt engage a "fight", unless he is sure, that the "criminals" brought only their bare hands to his machine-gun fights.
It's Black pp* not "Blacks" and it is offensive for wp to call a Black person, an "Uncle Tom". Most wp just dont have the range, leave the intra-community calling outs slang to other Black pp. There are more neutral phrases, that wp can use and avoid being unknowingly offensive.
Joseph Smith was for me the original flim-flam man
If Joseph Smith would have known about Confusianism and the teachings of Confucius, he could have known about "balance" and "equilibrium".
Some very concerning info was brought up re: Ballard and OUR. Too bad most of the discussion was centered on irrelevant political bias. Perhaps consider recording a shorter version and stick to the Ballard/OUR problems you can support with evidence.
Yes & their credibility is called into question if they fell for “the global pandemic”, effectiveness of masks/social distancing, making light of other kinds of child trafficking other than sex (labor/organs!), thinking Epstein actually killed himself or doubting the island existed or was for any purpose other than vacations, looking mainly to entrenched establishment sources (UN, WHO, CDC, DOJ, etc) & “justice” system court trials to “prove” evidence (news flash: elites never see the inside of a courtroom!), not digging deep into these pedophile rings for themselves (MANY made it to court w/CONVICTIONS like Dutroux etc). Have they ever viewed Instagram pics of “Jimmy Comet” (including the ones showing the underground basement being dug to “store tomatoes”)? Do they realize tunnel systems/DUMBs are all over the world? Have they heard of Jimmy Saville? The Finders? The UN trafficking scandal exposed in The Whistleblower? Are they familiar w/Wikileaks? Do they know what a psyops/false flag is (for ex, the “pizzagate shooter”). Do they know how the MSM weaponizes/manufactures “news” to serve their masters (predator class) by driving public opinion to cover dirty deeds or push an agenda? For journalists/researchers/investigators, these two are so disappointing.
I DO believe the info re: Ballard being a grifter &/or worse, but the rest of this immensely-long interview needs to be edited onto the production room floor, to salvage their respect & credibility.
@Chippy. So many, together with yourself, seem determined to miss the point that a POLITICAL AGENDA is playing out concurrently with & thro' tim ballard's (& co) grand delu- sions of grandeur.
@56 minute mark... I'm fairly certain that's not how the Ping Pong shooter story transpired. Not even close. I was very engaged in this discussion up until that point.
You’re 💯 right. I think OUR and TB are totally shady, but this part was just a mess. The shooting happened in 2016 after the WikiLeaks release of the Clinton/Podesta emails. It was the FBI that linked the code words in the emails to trafficking. QAnon didn’t even begin until late 2017.
I'd like to thank John Dahlin for his contributions to progressive Mormonism. We know so much more factual history because of his efforts. #GiveThanks
@trevorhaugen, can you discuss more about your mission with Tim and OUR? I really want to believe he is the real deal, but this is the 2nd video discussing this topic., I was about to sign up as a volunteer in some aspect, and this is very disheartening to think it isnt genuine
It's not that Common?? This is a Big lie!
Do your own Research & get involved Locally.
People go into Trafficking Multiple ways, So the comment about abduction is So Low Is SO MISSLEADING like you 2.
24,000 Kids Runaway every year & 1 in 7 of them end up being trafficked.
And
Different types of Government employees have been aressted for being involved in multiple states & ways.
Just one
Search where I'm from Polk County FL you could read ALL day articls about bust. That's 1 County it's in ALL 50 state's.
You could Easily Fact checked these lies you two are saying.
I live in 1 of the " Top Cities" in America now and we have a big problem here & have busted Goverment employees.
How evil to LIE on Child that CAN'T defend themselves and Widely discouraged people to get involved locally because there's No issue.
And
With the MLM "thrive" Hat on lol what a joke!
John, I love your podcast and your guests just keep getting better. You do amazing work. In the case of a capable, organized speaker like Lynn, I’d love to listen to him give his presentation without so many diversions or instances of jumping around. Not trying to be overly critical, but I think a lot of the dialogue would be better served after the table is set. Anyway, keep up the great work!
Thanks for the feedback, sackingswin.
Regarding the spread of QAnon, I think you should listen to former GOP Rep. Denver Riggleman. He's got a lot of ideas on how QAnon spread like wildfire, and you're not going to like them.
Havent had time to investigate myself, what is the outcome
Thank you!
This was great!!!
Could you please post a link to the playlist by Lyn Packer on his channel in your show notes or comments?
Lynn said the best place to find them in order is over at American crime journal - I used to watch the coco Berthmann videos years ago
what type of webcam do you use?
Lynn Packer is a National Treasure.
O.U.R. Website reports 4,100 victims rescued, 2,300 traffickers arrested. The money going through this charity is staggering
Ok... how much money is too much to spend for a rescued human life? TB has openly spoken about how he has gone on very expensive missions that ended up only being able to rescue a single child and have netted very few arrests, but I honestly don't care about how much money it takes, just that the work gets done... ask one of these children if they care about how much money was spent and whether they would see a problem with this... I guess you can put a price on human life...
@@inorgagroniWhen the money could be donated to organisations that provide results consistently and have done for many years, without taking huge salaries, that means more people get rescued. More rescues are better than less.
I didn’t know Tim Ballard was Mormon. I knew he was a Christian.
Let’s not forget that he’s a famous author; he has a few books at Deseret Store.