Rambling about my 7800X3D and 4070Ti daily system.
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Yo Buildzoid, it's the daily driver. Don't stress over the pedestrian memory settings, because it always works. I'm around a lot of car guys and the smart ones daily drive a boring Ford or Toyota because the last thing you want to do in the morning is undo your tinkering to drive to work. It's not being a poser, it's being practical my dude.
This x1000
There’s the fun toy and the work machine, computers or cars.
👍
Agreed 👍
I clicked the thumbnail expecting a slightly jank and over-thought cooling solution. I was not disappointed.
I see Buildzoid "ramble" , I click. Simple.
Overclocking is his bread and butter and 4 mins in we're already explaining how he uses a cooler without proper mounting, lol. Never change buildzoid.
Never change is right. I enjoy what he does as well.
BZ: made this video to show the cooler
Me: ok, pretty cool
I think "Easy memory timings with Hynix DDR5 for Ryzen 7000 V2" video should be on your to-do list seeing u r using faster FCLK, different voltages, etc. Pls do that man😊
What I learned is that Mr. Buildzoid doesn't own a flush cutter. Alternatively, he really appreciates orange color; esp. nylon.
Is it me or does every CPU buildzoid has have a terrible memory controller?
Bro, I bought a Sapphire Toxic 6900 XT LC and I had to zip-tie a CPU fan to it to replace the VRM fan, DAY ONE, because they shipped it to me with a broken fan that only has maximum fan speed.
It couldn't ramp down, it was always 3000 RPM so I put a CPU fan on it instead. Sniped the deal for $600, though.
Was it even worth it getting it LC?
I absolutely loved the Genesis, it cooled my >1,4v 5GHz 2500k at ~75°C for nearly 8 years. There was a bunch of german forum threads about how to fit these Prolimatech coolers on Am4 (3d printed brackets, using other manufacturers mounting kits etc) and to make these solutions available to the community, some people managed to do it but never anything that could be done without a lot of effort. Glad to see this relic is getting another life in your system!
I love your personal system because it reminds me of my personal system, which is separate from my test bench. I still have a GTX Titan Z in my PC, and no, I didn’t pay $3,000 for it! I got it for only $200 because the previous owner wasn’t sure if it would work. Interestingly, it’s an EVGA card. I didn’t think any AIB would produce a GTX Titan Z given the small market, and I don’t recall if Nvidia was offering GPUs directly at that time
Thermal putty is awesome, I personally switched to CX-H1300(13,5w/mk) for my ASRock PG 7900XTX but I would have got the Upsiren UTP-8 if i'd purchased today.
Good putty performs just as good as good pads, without all the problems you just mentioned yourself.
If no alteranative TIM suitable for vram/vrm with significant improvements comes to be, I don't see myself returning to pads anytime soon.
This is so scuffed and it makes me feel so better about my own scuffed daily system lol.
1:14:37 we all miss simplicity. Thanks for the video.
Finally, someone on TH-cam tells people to not let their fans spin too fast when cleaning with compressed air.
Uhhh people been saying this for decades. Don't blow your fan bearings out.
It's not lacked for being said on YT at all, it's that nobody listens. LOL!
I use tie-wraps as obstacles to keep fan still as well. Not because I have actually seen significant damage inflicted on header/bearings/blades/etc. just that it's easy enough to avoid and there is no need to test the hypothesis that it does cause damage.
@@elviscera4661 I have almost never heard TH-camrs say that
@@umeng2002 I agree that is not much discussed, though I have heard it said at least once on an early Linus LTT YT video suggesting not arbitrarily spinning up fans. Pragmatically, I think you can clear the dust more effectively if the fan is not spinning and as I said, there is no reason to test the hypothesis that it does cause damage. :)
@@x8jason8x Agree technical channels tell you this. I guess people don't remember until is happens to them. I think the bigger risk is that electric motors can also act as generators: if you spin the blades with air you generate a voltage. Spin them fast enough and you can burn out the header of the IC on the motherboard that drives the fan. So just replacing the fan wont fix things.
My msi board had issues with mcr enabled... So i just leave mcr off.
same
Not just am3, also socket 939 and am2
I bought a couple of MSI motherboards for the first time because I watched your videos. Liking them so far. Also tried a Gigabyte motherboard from eBay.
I think you're in a lucky position to try many different motherboards and brands and honestly it's sometimes more interesting to see them than the RAM and the overclocking.
Edit: just got to the part about the high GPU thermals. Try adding washers to the 4 screws on the backplate. I once bought a used Zotac GTX 980 that had bad mounting pressure by default and this fixed it.
Yeah the three garbage fans on my Powercolor 6800XT quickly vacated the premise aswell. 3DPrinted a fanshroud and mounted two NF-A12's. So quiet now...
Here's me with years of a solid system, and before that it was a bad PSU that caused BSOD's
I have to say after I got rid all of my SATA SSDs with the exception of a 18TB Seagate EXOS drive (which is the highest performing HDD I've ever owned btw) and only used NVME drives my system has been really responsive
System:
Windows 11
Motherboard: Asus Strix A Gaming B550 Plus
CPU: AMD R7-5800x3D [-30 all core Undervolted]
CPU Cooling: Scythe SCFM-2100 Fuma 2 Rev.B 120mm Black
GPU: Palit RTX4070Ti Super OC (PCIe 4.0x16)
RAM: 32GB CL16 3600MHz (G.Skill.RipJaws) FLCK 1933MHz
Monitor: MSI MAG401QR 40" UWQHD (3440x1440) 155Hz
Storage: Seagate Exos X18 18TB HDD (Media), Sabrent rocked 4.0/3.0 1TBx2 SSDs (1xWindows/1xSteam), Muskin Vortex 2TB 4.0 SSD (Non-Steam Games)
Thermal putty is great, it dropped my VRAM & core temps by a lot.
RTX 3080 Founders Edition
GPU core: 5.4C drop
GPU hotspot: 7.0C drop
VRAM: 10.0C drop
A graphite pad on the gpu is a slightly safer option and WAY more durable. After a while the liquid metal can be pumped out from the center during heat cycles.
Nice! I love seeing creative builds like this that uses stuff like the old CPU cooler with the custom mount
1h 15min video length? A bit short for my taste, but I'll take it
1:05:22 CXH1300 13.5w/km putty then... beats out all pads ive tried including the thermal-right odyssey pads i paided 10x more for when they where hard to get
fps > visual quality
based
Yep. Growing up on the PS1, Nintendo 64 etc. Modern graphics on low are more than enough. Motion clarity and input latency matter far more.
Using the PC for real workloads > video games
@@username8644 are games a fake workload then?
Are the calculations in a game not actually math?
textures on the highest settings, everything else medium to low
every time
Surprisingly my 1700x is fine, but my aorus gaming k7 is in a state where I don't trust it. It took out some of its own USB ports. I should've finished the RMA process back then, but I read enough Gigabyte RMA stories to where I boxed it and picked up an Asus crosshair vi hero and never looked back.
Can the Air Duster cause problems related to static electricity?
It shouldn't since this one is specifically designed for cleaning electronics I haven't noticed it ever getting all staticy. My vaccum cleaner on the other hand definitely does build up a statci charge on the tubing.
Whats Best performance 2x16 ram kit for ryzen 7 7800x3d?
I'm watching this with a 5600 and RX 6600, would kill for your daily system lmao.
36:00 that's why i disable then all, MCR, GDM, PWD, te boot time now its fine
I love those Arctic budget fans, they are the best choice for reliability and price.
Never change Buildzoid. Ur videos contain truth and honesty.
You can kill the bearings as well, not as bad as killing the headers I suppose.
tFAW 20? Shouldn't it be 4x tRDDS?
I still don't understand why people use an air gun to just blow dust around when using a small shop vac with the proper attachments works so much better and actually traps all the dust rather than blowing it all over your room or embedding it deep in the system. Forcing dirt into fan bearings and other sensitive mechanical devices just doesn't make sense to me
you take the system outside to blow the dust out. Obviously doin it inside is pointless.
Same, I just vacuum or if I'm somehow not lazy that day I might blow with 1 hand and vacuum with 2nd
I use a garden leaf blower on my builds ( all open no case) not a speck of dust left. I really do not see the point of cases at all.
@buildzoid Put a 140mm on the other side of the upright cpu cooler finstack. (and remove the 120mm) It will counterbalance better and give you more room with the handle.
i have never burned out a fan/fan header cleaning with an air duster (powerd)
I tried taking the shroud off my EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, zipped on 2x Noctua PPC 120mm fans and even at 2500 rpm, the stock 3x fans and shroud still perform better. I figured the shroud has to add enough air pressure to offset the lesser airflow. I even re-pasted using Thermal Grizzly Extreme. Only 5c worse, but still worse never made sense. Went back to stock and the re-paste alone was 5c better. NFI?
this thing ran hot even on the original shroud.
I have a 3080 12gb strix. I’d like to put some noctua fans on it to be quieter, given the heatsink is a monster. I’m never going to tho because I expect quirky issues like you describe. 🤷♂️
Oh hey, a Prolimatech Genesis. No... that second heatsink is part of the GPU, silly me. But wait, a third heatsink in the back? It _is_ a Prolimatech Genesis! Thus a complete account of my brief yet total discombobulation.
I have a wraith prism on a fx 4300 for funzies
MCR issue is not only Gigabyte. This just happened on my NZXT B650E. I run your 6200 memory settings and then one day blue screens just loading Windows.
That's just a rebranded Asrock board isn't it?
Yes
Hey bro i found out on reddit that you are best AM5 OC.
So i have a question, if you can please answer ( if you experienced anything similar ever in your Overclocking )
Why FCLK Boosted to 2400mhz and UCLK boosted to 3200mhz for default RAM DDR5 4800 MT/S.
This is on ASUS TUF B650 motherboard, with latest bios ( 2615 ).
This happened when i pressed "Load optimized defaults", meaning i turned off EXPO or any other overclocking setting. Pure "Auto" on everything. If i run EXPO 5600 MT/s or 6000MT/s it is also happening ( FCLK and UCLK are auto boosting up for some reason ). RAM that i use is on QVL of the motherboard
For a system like this where you're changing cpus often I'd honestly just get one of those cheap radiator stands off of aliexpress and some nice koolance QDC's paired with like, a reasonable 420mm or 560mm radiator or something
wat, BZ never switches CPUs lol
@@Wasmachineman Definitely haha
What kind of thermal pads are those on your GPU? @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
wraith prisum cooler can even be used on an OG amd socket 754 Athlon 64 lol
im using one
yeah 7600 cl30 definitely, definitely.
Great daily system, everything makes sense😎
P.S As far as i know, thermal puddy is fine up until 1mm thickness for heat transferring, anything thicker should be thermal pad. Haven't found what thickness is in 4070 tuf, just looks more than 1mm
That situation that you had with the 1700X reminds me of my Z97 Pro 4790K Haswell system after I added additional 16GB of RAM to max it out at 32GB the system became very unstable and it as soon as it would boot into Windows it would give me a bluescreen so I had to either up the voltage of the memory or downclock the memory. I ended up upping the voltage to 1.65V and it became stable then now I run the memory at stock clocks and voltage now because it is being used as a utility system.
Love that the Actually Hardcore Overclocking uses coller that doesn't belong on his socket..
I bent mine cooler to fit AM4.
Novelty, nostalgia and the great build quality of Prolimatech coolers. I know. I have several Megahalems
I'd imagine you could just have a rad + 2 or 3 120mm fans sit upright with a couple of foot brackets on one end using the threads that are there, like washers. Which, then you could point fan exhaust over the memory. Then you would just need to remove the block on the cpu and the aio/rad could be moved around when testing other processors. Would be slightly more cumbersome, but you would have more headroom to tinker.
The real hardcore thing is not stress testing your system tbh
I don't know why I thought AMDs boost solution made the BCLK OC useless. I thought I had heard that their algo would just not boost the multiplier higher in order to target the 'correct' final speed.
My AM5 machine memory retrained constantly, with DOCP and JDEC. Turns out the CPU power cable wasn't seated fully in the PSU. After reseating power cables there and in the 24pin motherboard connection, it never did it again.
This build is near to one I'm contributing to so this was a real treat to see a similar hardware setup get deep-dove.
I flashed the msi surprimx 360w bios on the same card, and that's seems to be the sweet spot. It doesn't ever power throttle, but it doesn't also consume a tedious amount of power. It typically hovers 320 to 340 in games. Some games can max out the power limit, but it's rare. Have not tested any 3D mark tests on it, but I'd imagine that it would smash into the power limit there.
My 3070 is on two regular p12 fans and it runs at 80 degrees at full fan speed. Best part is that the stock fans weren't even broken...
Actually we've had the same amd cooler clips from socket 754 (athlom64) in 2003 till now. Have done that heatsink swap for the lolz
I’ve tried to find this bench.
Currently on some extruded wobbly thing for my daily.
I like your logorrhea 😂
I think you are right, the heat sink on RTX 4070 Ti TUF is to small, but this is why this card is relatively small for RTX 4070Ti i think.
I hate YT they removed your channel I had to search your name to find ya they weren't even suggesting your videos!
assuming people cold boot their pc like normies, what has been the least annoying with ddr5 training errors among the brands?
I hope Asrock and other board manufacturers are watching these videos. 51:55
I have 7800x3d i have freezing and stuck issue please help me 🙏
it might be ddr5 memclock specific
if the controller somehow ends up with an offset in it memory table
so every "row" actually crosses a row boundary
and then the issue would need cmos clear
but even the most modest settings would be unstable till cmos was cleared
just a guess
Wow have i spun some fans. OOps
Love it. Im still using an old deep cool lucifer II heatsink with a 120 zip tied to it... Still havent found a better single mass cooler for a better price. Lapped and liquid metal helps.
That looks like a Lian Li test bench, I forget the model number, but I have the ITX version. I wish the front usb headers were easier to find, I can't find one for mine so I never built a semi-permanent build on it.
Dusting it once a week will prevent dust from embedding and it doesn't take more than 3 minutes.
Does the heatsink cover the entire rim of the fan on your gpu? It's possible you're losing a lot of air around the heatsink and smaller fans might get better temps.
maybe thermalright SI-100 will do the job?
Theoretical Softshell Under Guessing.
how many watts does 7800x3d and mobo pulls at idle?
Overclocking ADA is pointless.
my 4070 Super at 165W with +200MHz is just ~2% slower than at 240W.
Better off maxing out the VRAM instead.
Can we get a sponsor to give buildzoid a new test bench and cooler please.
i can edit this video down to 30 seconds without losing any key points
Do You see any diference betwen 5.0 or 5.22 in games ?
Is it weird that I enjoy your rambling videos more than I know I probably should? Because I do without a care in the world.
Getting a 7800X3D and Gigabyte B650 board tomorrow myself also. So now I have an idea of what to expect. 🤗
maplin i used to love that place !!!
Any suggestions on thermal patty? Was considering that as well.
I just have a bunch of TG-PP10 and I think that stuff is now discontinued.
Very unique system
what is the chassis?
what are those sleeved sata cables?
Came with a gigabyte motherboard.
I commend you for thinking outside of the box and making our world better one less aquarium at a time.
Hey, just checking if u have any video on general ddr5 ram timings/tweaking.
Getting a new build with 7800x3d, MSI x670e mobo and Patriot DDR5 RAM 32GB (2X16GB) 7000MT/s CL32 UDIMM
Currently im running mobo and sticks from this vid and similarly tweaked.
th-cam.com/video/WtucSUA5TOI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
These are the timings of the ram on XMP:
• Tested Frequency XMP Profile 1: PC5-56000 (7000MT/s)
• Tested Timings: 32-48-48-96
• Tested Voltage for XMP Profile 1: 1.45V
• Tested Frequency XMP Profile 2: PC5-54400 (6800MT/s)
• Tested Timings: 34-44-44-84
• Tested Voltage for XMP Profile 2: 1.4V
• Tested Frequency XMP Profile 3: PC5-52800 (6600MT/s)
• Tested Timings: 34-40-40-84
• Tested Voltage for XMP Profile 3: 1.4V
he has a video called easy ddr5 timings, use that. you are also running in 2:1 mode which = byebye performance unless you are running 7600+mhz vs 1:1 6000mhz, if you can run 6200 in 1:1 then you need to run 7800-8000mhz in 2:1 to compete depending on timings.
@@luvingyouu Alright thanks alot for the information,
I picked patriot viper for ram since i was running them in my current ddr4 build,
Would you say its a good choice again for ddr5 or is there any better options?
@@Haxete Ram manufactur doesn't matter too much (though some imo have better populated pcbs than the lower brands or kits) what really matters if it is hynix memory sticks over samsung or micron for ddr5. You can always look up your ram model # in the memory QVL tab on motherboard websites or check cpu-z to see if it is hynix. M die isn't really made anymore (except for 24-48gb sticks) so expect it to be A die, which is good ;P
@@luvingyouu "The Patriot Viper Venom 5 GAMING DDR5 RAM 32GB (2X16GB) 7000MT/s CL32 UDIMM Desktop Gaming Memory Kit - PVV532G700C32K features the latest H5CG48MEBDX014 (M-die) chips from SK hynix1"
Sweet Case!!!
Amazing now I can use my FX CPU cooler on my future AM5 system in the future! :D
I have the same air duster, that thing has some brutal power :D
We need you to use "less boring" memory settings -- shoot for 8000 because you have an Aorus Master.
I haven't managed to get 8000 to work on anything but a tachyon so I'm definitely not going to try that on my daily.
deshrouded with arctics. one of us!
I've been running 7800 C32 at 1.75v with my 7800X3D on a B650M Elite AX for about 6 months and haven't had any issues so far (I have an 80mm Noctua fan over the dimms)
Why? A single CCD chip like 7800x3d is very bandwidth crippled what benefit do you have over lower MT/s and tighter timings and latency? (Edit: This is a genuine question)
@@rankcolour8780 I'm just running this for fun and hvm isn't working for me when using 1:1 so this gives the lowest latency atm, all timings are minimized.
On a previous bios I benchmarked 7800c36/2167 vs 6400c30/2133 across 11 games and found no significant performance difference - 7800 was 0.5% faster on average. The testing was rough - only using built in benchmarks but I checked it was all cpu limited and used a 4090 at 1080p.
@@rankcolour8780 Just for fun, and hvm isn't working using 1:1 for me atm so the only way I can run silly voltages is 2:1. I don't use my system for work - just play.
I previously tested 7800c36/2167 vs 6400c30/2133 on an 11 game benchmark and found no significant performance difference - 7800 was 0.5% faster on average.
The testing was rough - just using built in benchmarks but I checked it was all cpu limited and used a 4090 at 1080p and an average of 3 runs.
Most of my actual gaming is GPU limited anyway so it doesn't matter - I just like running 7800c32 at 1.75v for the hell of it and to see what happens long term.
(8000 boots into windows but I could never get it stable)
@@rankcolour8780 It's just for fun
@@McFlipplenipps Perfectly fair answer and I understand completely. I do a lot of over/under volt/clocking just for the hell of it.
I once turned a 9900K golden sample into a 90w part with a crazy undervolt down to 1.0v.
It was a genuine question, I know the copy speed still scales with higher mt/s and wondered it that's what you were chasing.
Thanks for replying 😁😁
im having disturbing flashbacks to the printer from office space lol
i mean with a typical air compressor, you'd pretty much have to be trying to blow out a fan header even..... assuming everything was in good working order... i wouldnt say its impossible - highly improbable. you can definitely generate enough power back into the board to turn on some leds tho
there should some reverse current protection on the board. just a diode i would think is fine but there should definitely be a diode
like for some context i dont even typically tie the fans back or anything
i just avoid spinning them up for more than second or two and keep moving
if ones real dusty ill hold it with my hand and give er
morning brother
I love the build and the Craftyness!
Watching BZ ramble about PC crap makes me a XOC genius overnight!
00:13:45 - i think i forgot to mention something...
01:15:30 - thanks for watching and goodbye
:D
why waste time with a jank mod of an old heatsink, when a good performing modern one is as cheap as $33
Orange says c40 vs zen timings c30?
XMP (in orange) vs actual timings.