Imagine being stuck in a tiny tube, cold, surrounded in darkness at the bottom of the ocean for several days. I can't imagine the claustrophobia that these guys are probably feeling right now. I hope they are found soon.
You only get clustiaphobier if you can see you surroundings. And they will hot and dehydrated. And confused. They will need years of reashorance and support. And the dark will become a unbearable
Assuming there is also no food, no water. Running out of oxygen. The emotions in your mind just be mental. You would feel so panicked at first. But then you are calm, you know you will die and it's a matter of time in the next couple of days. Must be awful
There are videos about Shipwrecks in the North Atlantic that have millions of views online. Some of these wrecks PREDATE the Titanic by several decades and we have never found their wreckage in most cases. Shipwrecks being headliners are not and never have been a significant thing in any historical subtext or context.
@@patclaus8510 It's our hubris that enables us to USE THE INTERNET to communicate in the first place. We do these things because it is hard and because we can. Descartes was right here and so was JFK in this context. Hundreds of thousands of people have died in the North Atlantic, these five people are just part of a greater historical statistic, nothing more and nothing less.
@@DR3ADER1 WRONG, you silly poseur. This is a private thrill ride, the risk far outweighed the reward, the deaths are predictable and not in the least tragic. Those who designed the Titanic claimed that "God can't sink this ship." and the sub owners, crew and passengers all suffer from the same type of hubris. They got it in the neck, boo-hoo.
Humanity grows and develops through the innovation and perhaps reckless bravery of countless individuals. Similar things happen wherever we have been and wherever we will go - from the jungles and mountains to the deep sea and the moon and then to Mars and beyond. These people are the courageous individuals who embark on new and unusual expeditions that contribute to knew knowledge which is why we are where we are today.
My dad was a scuba diver, and spent my childhood trying to convince me to learn and dive with him. Just the idea of scuba diving induced fear and anxiety in me as a child. I can’t imagine going down that deep. I feel they are already gone, and I pray it was quick and they didn’t suffer. So unfortunate.
It literally crushed them all to death within seconds.... They didn't suffer at all. You feeling that they were already gone was spot on... I pray for all of their families. They'll never understand why these men & the one child who didn't even want to go in the first place, decided this was a good idea to do... A "once in a lifetime" opportunity cost them everything, their priceless lives. No amount of money will ever be able to console these peoples families, but hopefully, they will have some type of relief in knowing that they didn't have time to suffer. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤❤❤
you should have done it. with some common sense and safety awareness, it is a beautiful new world down there and not always this bad. accidents only happen when people get careless, dont double check their equipment, etc.
@@NikkiMarie9088 1 millisecond from the point the hull structure failed in fact. The human mind can't even comprehend stimulus before 25ms. They were dead before they knew they were dead.
This is literally like being buried alive, but instead of a coffin they're in a "submarine", and instead of soil they're buried in water. What a horrific way to leave this earth. I hope against all hope that they can somehow be rescued.
I personally believe they're alive, but stuck at the bottom of the ocean. A normal descent to Titanic takes 2-2½ hours, and communication was lost about 90 minutes after they launched. This suggests they descended too fast and landed hard (either on a piece of the wreckage or on the muddy ocean floor) and got stuck. As far as why they haven't communicated...maybe a hard landing damaged their communication equipment (?) I think, had there been any type of pressure leak, electrical failure, or fire the pilot would've been wise enough to abandon the expedition, dump the ballast and return immediately to the surface. A pressure leak (I would imagine) would be noticed and recognized pretty quickly. Unfortunately, even though they may be alive now...there's nothing that can be done to tow the submersible or bring it to the surface.
@@sean2015 That's the point. Five people are sitting in a coffin of steel on the floor of the sea. It's dark, it's cold and they know that they have no chance to survive. I guess we can't imagine what they're going through.
As a life-long sailor I find it stunning that there wasn't a simple Epirb on board that could be released to narrow the search zone. That is the most basic safety device found on any weekend charter boat. Accepting the risks but skipping the most basic rescue measure makes no sense - especially when wealthy tourists are paying $250,000 just to ogle at a wreck where 1,500 people died.
Yeah what the f? But now that we have more info, the man who made that ship cut a lot of corners in safety, made outrageous claims that submarines are overly safe. He was really asking for this.
I''ve probably spent all of an hour in a boat bigger than a canoe, lol, but according to the expert in the video, radiowaves don't penetrate that depth of ocean--thus there'd be no way to activate a surface beacon from the submersible in case of emergency. I'm guessing they had a position beacon left at the surface before their dive, because their entry point is known. But beyond that, very little is known about their location. The expert said acoustic (ultrasonic) waves can travel thru the ocean's depths, so that's why airplanes are outfitted with acoustic beacons--in the event they crash in the ocean, the beacon is activated & that ping can travel to the surface to be detected. But as the interviewer pointed out, that system also failed for the Malaysia Airlines crash (but ultrasonic beacons have been improved dramatically as a result of that failure). You don't have to answer, but do you think the submersible could remain intact at these depths (12500 ft!) for this length of time?
@@tothelighthouse9843 An Epirb would be RELEASED and float up to the surface where the radio signals transmit up to 15 miles for a minimum of 48 hrs at 406 MHz. USCG have software to calculate drift from current and wind to establish where the device surfaces so they can narrow their area and save time. The submersible should withstand long periods at depth but there is such a narrow margin that even a tiny problem with oxygen, navigation, structural failure, etc. the chances are poor they can survive this. We saw the Challanger explode and kill numerous civilian passengers after NASA blew off numerous problems to sustain the illusion of mastery. The Titanic sank for the exact same reason - hubris and blind trust in technology.
No kidding! A million bucks for 5 guys to be thrown off a perfect floating boat miles to the bottom of the North Atlantic! Couldn’t think of a better way to blow some money!
@@laughlinkennedy3693 yeah not at that depth. Down where the titanic is you got like 3 tons per square inch of water pressure. The way I see it there are two possibilities. Either they managed to get somewhat close to the surface, then there's a chance they might get rescued if found in time. Or they are way the fuck down and then they might not even get recovered even if found. They'll die of hypothermia before they asphyxiate, which is soewhat merciful because it comes with some nice hallucinations instead of the burning sensation of your chest cramping trying to breathe air that isn't there. Plus they will likely be in absolute darkness.
@@shalimaar444here’s no hope, let’s just put that to rest. 1. No one knows where the vessel is located yet. 2. Once located, no technology available today that will bring them up from 2 and a half miles deep from the ocean depths. 3. May their souls rest in peace 🙏 4. Condolences to their immediate families ❤
If they just rely on a tracker that didn't work,They should have attached a metal made rope that is quite long for them as a guide to trace that submarine
Engineers from the carrier ship reported that communication with the Titan was interrupted 1.5 hours after the dive. This suggests that something happened to the submarine even before it reached the bottom. It takes at least 2.5 hours to get down to the Titanic. Anything could happen: depressurization is possible, the porthole cracked, there was a problem with the oxygen supply, due to which the passengers could suffocate, a short circuit and a fire inside the submarine itself, or the control simply failed, as a result of which, under the influence of an undercurrent, the submarine could be carried far beyond the area of the sunken Titanic. Nuance! If the passengers were "alive", they could simply drop the ballast and rise to the surface immediately. If the submarine is still not visible, then the chances of saving the passengers themselves are reduced to zero.
Are you saying they might of imploded on the same day they lost contact despite having enough oxygen? Does implosion create sound for other ships to be able to hear? I wonder. How would anyone know if they have been imploded other than not seeing any sign of them?
I’ve seen the technology involved with this sub, and I gotta say I am very unimpressed with the lack of safety features. Bolted in from the outside??? Wtf? What a dangerous, dangerous, dangerous tube that thing is no back up systems. Shocking, anyone would get in that thing. Cheers to the U.S. Coast Guard for trying.
It’s controlled with a game Controller- for a quarter of a million dollars how is it not set with the top of line everything?! Unfathomable how something like this is not regulated.
@@rebeccakinney6357 for ships it is. its called certification. In Germany you get it from "Germanischer Lloyd SE" Internatinal certification for ships is enforced by one single fact: You cannt enter any harbor without beeing certified. And here is the point: they are using a custom build submersible witch dont enter harbors itself. And they are diving in international water.
A PS controller to control a submersible at 3.800 meters????????😢😢 My thoughts to the families... Ps: there's no GPS tracking on board? US Navy can't send a Sub close enough to get a ping on sonar?😢
@@giorgosarifoglu953the sub is so tiny relative to the massiveness that is the ocean, it would be hard to get even close enough to ping it, even that could be a false positive.
Fully the fault of the CEO he was known to be angry with saftey regulations and preferred to cut corners. He wanted to save on making the sub safe and he got himself and 3 other people killed bc of it.
Value of human life is a strange thing, in this instance, 5 lives are valued and there's a ton of attention. In other places where 100s and 1000s are dying with no hope of aid in the next 40 hours, no attention. Hope these 5 get rescued, but strange we live in a world where 5 people's lives seem to outweigh the 1000s of lives out there that can probably be saved with less investment, probably immediately and with more guarantee. Not sure what to make of it, shower thought so to speak.
So unfortunate that a 19 year old boy was taken on a voyage with so many risks. I won't doubt it if he had to sign waivers, essentially stating that he understood that death was a possibility.
@@JSrg8ix Exactly. Why on earth would a parent allow their 19 year old son to sign something like that? Perhaps they were so blindsided by the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that they subconsciously blocked out the magnitude of the risks...
@@rusi6219 Well of course he is not a child. But he is also barely an adult. And a parent can still stage an intervention to prevent a young person from walking towards excessive danger. Of course, everyone is different, perhaps if you had a 19 year old son you'd leave a decision like that completely up to him, bc "he's not a child."
Hopes out for those that have gone missing, but the wreck should not become some tourist site. It’s a tomb for over a thousand people and shoulda be treated as such and left in peace.
Yes. To conduct such events is not only negligent and deliberately inhumane as this submersible clearly lacked proper measures in the event of an emergency (it is not fully independent in terms of movement or operational requirements) it is to say the very least blatantly disrespectful otwars the souls that rest there and could not be saved... and now we lose these 5 people, with someone as young as 19 years old (barely an adult), a whole life ahead of them unnecessarily and tragically lost. This was utterly unnecessary, deliberately cowardly, negligent, and should not have ever been allowed to even occur. 🙏
It's unbelievable that the company didn't have backup systems to communicate with the capsule. The playstation control and the two touch screen didn't look like they had enough backup systems to communicate.
One of the most fascinating interviews I've seen on the news. Really puts into perspective how absolutely different the bottom of the ocean is from anywhere else on this planet.
People that are speculating that it got hung up on the wreckage are forgetting that the vessel quit sending out pings only an hour and a forty five minutes into its decent. It takes approx two and a half hours to get down to the wreck. The vessel sends out pings every 15 minutes. So if it quit sending pings at an hour and a forty five minutes which is about 45 minutes _before_ it reaches the wreck, then I hate to say it but that means something happened and the vessel was compromised on the way down. It's been suggested by a few experts I've seem interviewed on various other outlets that it could have possibly have sprung a leak somehow and imploded. And if that happened then all electrical equipment goes out which means the pings stopped and the vessel fills with water and sinks to the bottom. I'm just guessing that's probably what happened, because if it _did_ successfully descend the entire 12,500 ft with no problems going down, then it should have been sending at least 3 more pings during the remaining 45 minutes that it had left to finally reach the Titanic wreckage. They may eventually find it on the bottom somewhere but I'm betting it won't be because they reached the wreckage voluntarily and then got tangled up in Titanic debris. If the scenario I described is how it played out, then that little submersible could be _anywhere_ on the bottom due to being carried by strong currents.
Yes, implosion. As I understand it, if there’s a leak, the problem isn’t water, it’s water pressure. The submersible would implode because the pressure outside the vessel would be a dramatic mismatch for the human habitable pressure maintained inside. I think that’s how it works. So if a leak formed, that would be instantly catastrophic. There would be no getting to the surface in time.
If it imploded due to a leak, I would think it would be in many pieces on the ocean floor by now, and probably over a wide surface area. (Excuse the pun surface area!)
Hope they are found in time - the anxiety on both sides must be unimaginable. Personally, I feel that the Titanic and other tragic/wartime shipwrecks are graveyards and should be left in peace by all but scientists, environmentalists (if it starts harming ocean life), and historians/preservationists when relevant. The safety of the submersible is also definitely not qualified to take civilians if it's not even consistently reliable for science.
The people who built this vessel and are leading it ARE scientists who thought it would be both profitable and historic to take civilians down to that watery grave.
There's close to zero chance they will be rescued alive. Even if they're found still alive, there is no way they'd be able to retrieve them before they died. It was pretty much too late for that once they lost communication 1.5hrs into the dive.
Shame on you all. It is shameful for humanity and all media outlets including you guys that this incident(which really was because of obvious disregard for safety standards & greed) gets so much media attention(mainly because they were billionaires) while last week hundreds refugees and migrants died in the deadliest shipwreck off the coast of Greece gets no media coverage or analysis.
I had no clue about that so I'm glad you mentioned about this incident, because I need to look into that now. Here in the US and a lot of media outlets like you said, we never know what is truly going in the world, it's like you have to dig in the internet to even find things that should have the worlds attention. It's sad, but hey, unfortunately for some reason our world cares more about stories that interest them and not the catastrophes that are significantly worse than what we focus on, like the incident in Greece you mentioned.
It's a bloody death trap. A Navy guy said it may as well have been bolted together from an internet shopping list. The company deploying it should of had a rescue sub on standby for the duration of the trip.
@Charles Whiteou’re talking about people with more money than 99.99% of the planet could not even imagine in 100 lifetimes. What do you think the price is they put on their own life. You think right now none of them would pay £5 mil a ticket to get out of there? The whole thing is immoral anyway. Let’s hope future rich vanity infected fools will find better ways of spending £1 mill pounds, like helping a homeless shelter.
If it took 70 years to find a shipwreck so large that it was named Titanic, then the hopes of finding such a small thing as this, even with the help of drone technology, seems really quite slim
There’s no question they will find the vessel- the reality is that they will find it in several pieces along the ocean floor near the same trench in which the Titanic lay.
Well there’s a huge difference between finding something back then and finding something in 2023. They may even have some kinds of emergency signals they can still use.
Tragic but the whole "I can control my tin can submarine with a Playstation 2 controller!" at 01:54 with a lack of any actual instruments in the cockpit should have been a major red flag.
The fact it got so far down and then all communication was cut gives me the feeling it has imploded, sad but not surprising. I can’t stop watching every video and refreshing them waiting for a miracle to happen
Agreed. They have multiple systems to surface, so if it hasn’t been found up top then the only other plausible option is implosion. They wouldn’t be snagged on the wreckage because they never would have found it after communications were lost. They wouldn’t be stuck in the mud because they wouldn’t have continued descent for another hour or so after losing communication. Unfortunately it seems like a near certainty that it imploded during the descent.
If it has imploded then the people onboard won’t be found, they wouldn’t have felt anything and just instantly died, it’s sad but in that sort of situation it’s what’s best for them
Another example of what happens when people have more money than brains. "Humanity’s problems stem from man’s inability to sit quietly in a room alone" - Blaise Pascal
Same. I've literally been near a panic attack since finding out about the disappearance. You couldn't PAY me $250,000 or ANY amount of money to get in one of those things. I pray to God that if they're not alive (and I highly doubt they are) they went quick & painlessly. God be with everyone involved 😢
@@user-gg2ty5tk8k There are certain requirements a vessel like this has to adhere to, especially if it is going to be used as a tourist attraction. He bribed his way out of them.
Was this "tourist submersible" approved by any maritime authority? Was it checked for safety procedures? Did the company that owned this submersible even have a contingency plan for rescue/problem/accident situations? Some valid questions here. It seems that these 5 people may not have truly known the dangers of the sea when they climbed into that submersible. Never tamper with Mother Nature---she always wins in the end.
Not approved, actually was told by officials 5 years ago how much of a risk it was. The forms they signed getting on mentioned it's dangerous and said no compensation for death about 3 times.
Oh they knew, they read the contracts that told them that this wasn't approved by any regulatory body. They took their chances and now the dice have been rolled.
I just watched a four part series from a travel vlogger named alanxmundo who went down to the Titanic in this very submersible. He had to make two attempts because the first one they had to cancel because it was too dangerous. He gives an excellent insight into all the preparations that the crews have to make. On his second attempt the following year his submersible actually lost communication with the ship for some minutes before it was restored. The driver of he submersible was actually beginning to start the process of aborting the descent and bringing it up to the surface when communications were restored and they were allowed to go on to the bottom. They actually spend a good hour touring the ship and seeing the "money shot" the prow etc before returning to the surface. In the end he makes some interesting comments about the company and the experience as a whole, and visits the cemetery in Halifax where hundreds of Titanic's victims are buried. I recommend you watch his videos about his excursion on the Titan, this same submersible that went missing here, if you're interested inlearning more about it. Start with Part 1 but if you just want to watch the episode where he reaches the Titanic you can skip to Part 4. Only issue is that it's in Spanish. Not sure if it's closed captioned in English . . . Part 1 title is "Mi expedición al TITANIC parte 1/4 | Alan por el mundo"
Being informed about how dangerous it is down there, and actually being down there in a pretty much inescapable situation are two very different things. And you don't realise it until it is too late (unfortunately).
Kind of reminded me of White Island in NZ, skimming a waiver while you're told it's the 'adventure of a lifetime' and that there has never been a fatality and how much fun you're going to have is one thing, but was there actual conversations with the people onboard about the risks? I really hope there was. Cannot believe the sub didn't have releasable trackers.
pft mike reiss's 2 sec explanation @2:57 would have been enough to deter me from going on this expedition of no return. Im sure the current passengers were referred by their millionaire friends that took the trip prior to them. They would have definitely gotten truthful take on the experience. tbh I don't really feel sorry for these folks.
According to the New York Times: "warned of a potential "catastrophic" outcome by experts, Stockton Rush, the CEO of OceanGate, who is missing with the other occupants of his submersible, claimed that "industry regulation is stifling innovation." In 2018, submersible diving industry urged the company to have Titan undergo certification to the submersible in line with industry safety standards. Rest in Peace
@@valerieserrano1245 He was too cheap for the original window. He bought one certified for 1300 m and fired the engineer who complained and said no. He theb refused testing, took the boat to 3000 m called it safe and next trip he took paying customers to 3840 m claiming falsely the craft was tested to 4000 m which it never was. He killed them all including himself. The tally: -One famous and beloved French oceanographer and submarine pilot - Pakistani millionaire who funds SETI and many more scientific research projects, best described as "a cool guy" - his teenage son - British thrillseeker and billionaire (I think he's the one we can say he fits the typical bored billionaire sterotype) - And one delusional CEO who fired engineers for telling him he will kill everyone and who was BEGGED by multiple experts to have the craft certified. Conclusion: hire experts when building submarines. College kids are great but there needs to be one expert who can say, we'll all die of we do that.
Now its 40hrs, it was 23 yesterday, dont be surprised when they find these people. A good publicity stunt was needed for money, nobody went under water without a proper safety team on standby
@@asmith9140they have not found them… However they recently announced that they have heard a banging noise in 30 second intervals with the technology they deployed underwater. Although it is slim there is still hope. Prayers!
It's really horrific to hear what those people have to endure. I really hope they are found. But how come that we go to such lengths to find a handful of rich people, but let poor people drown in the ocean?
I don't think I can think of a more horrifying experience than what these people are paying to do. I mean some guy named Victor Vescovo holds the record for going down almost 36,000 feet. More than 3x the depth we are talking about here. This is fever dream, lunatic behavior. I'd get in, look down, and nope out like a cat in a bathtub. Its insanity to me.
Even if found alive, it must be incredibly complex to bring them to safety. Depending of course on what caused them to get lost in the first place, but it feels like there’s not a lot that can be done even if they are found. It seems there are some rescue and salvage systems available, but none that have been reliably tested at such great depths if I understand it correctly.
The only way I can think of is to send down a unmanned sub capable of somehow attaching a tow cable. Then reeling it in using some kind of mega-ship capable of pulling that much cable (12,000+ feet of it) attached to a pod against all that pressure.
I didn't even think about that. It's a bit like rescuing people from the moon when you think about it. There's just nothing that can be done in the short time left if something goes wrong. edit: And It's possible to have radio communication with the moon but I'm not sure about the deep ocean. So maybe worse than the moon in a sense.
The only thing I can think of is if they filled up their oxygen? I think we’ve accepted that if they do come back, it won’t be soon enough. Imagine getting into a tiny metal box that’s controlled with a console controller for 200,000 quid that also has no health and safety. They should’ve known-
I am not being negative here; realistic. From what has been detailed, the ocean currents at 13,000 feet in depth, are very strong. They are so strong it has pushed and forced a submarine just like this one, in to the propeller of the Titantic where it got stuck temporarily. From what has been detailed, we learned the ocean visibility at 13,000 feet is O. It's pitch black. The submarine has a special lense that penetrates the dark spectrum of color and produces light however it's wave length is very narrow for visibility. What that means is, even if they can get a navy submarine down to 13,000 feet within the next 14-20 hours, it is unlikely they will spot the submarine especially if the ocean floor is throwing up particles and debris from the pure mass of pressure down there. People need to really be sensible about this they pretty much aren’t surviving this they’d be lucky if they find the bodies period .
June 18th was the last day they were seen alive. Someone went back and changed it to that after they were confirmed dead. No one knows when they actually died, it hasn't been said yet. If it does get revealed then I bet you they'll change it to when it imploded.
The interview toward the end with David Gallo was extraordinarily enlightening! It’s true that relatively few people have extended knowledge about the deep sea. And I learned a lot from him.
You gotta to be out of your mind to get in that tube then get bolted in and go to 13000 ft down with no way to rescue yourselves and no way for escape. Experimental? If it surfaces they cannot open it the bolts prevent it. All one can do now is hope they get lucky and find it. Better off looking at films of it then going down
why everybody feel sorry for like 3 billionaires who each paid 250k for this trip while at the same time 500+ refugees fleeing war and femine are missing in greece
Because the media/public coverage would be extremely bad if anything possible wasnt done, even if the chances of any rescue were from the beginning very slim. TBH, the most likely option is that the vessel couldnt handle the pressure and cracked/exploded already as soon as they lost communication with the vessel. but as long as there isnt 100% certainty that the people inside are dead, there is really no choice but to do what they have done thus far.....ofc pretty soon they willl officially say that "its no longer search and rescue, just search for the bodies/the wreck of the vessel" The family members likely would still want their bodies retreived is possible for burial at land, rather than burial at sea
@@big-smoke-rcThis one the fibers are only in one direction wrapped around the vessel. Not a pattern like a COPV. 5 inches of parallel fiber CFC. Glued to titanium without vacuum sealing the bonding agent. Applied by hand. Window designed for 1300 m.
the owner used his money to lobby and block the regulations they were trying to bring to these subs like mandatory trackers and that the sub must be able to be opened from the inside. You know BASIC logical things that any reasonable person would think.
@@user-er1fp9ez6y A standard issue underwater locator beacon designed for aeroplanes can be detected over 3 miles below the surface. Perhaps you need to adjust your belief parameters. Equipping a submarine or anything else with a two mile depth beacon is perfectly reasonable and realistic, but this 250k per seat tube cut a few financial corners. Hence the Logitech PS3 controller "guidance system" and the Windows 8 OS.
As upsetting and distressing this terrible subject is.. even if they are found in time, the rescuers wouldn't even have enough time to get the submersible to the surface of the water, that's after finding and setting up such a machine that is capable of a rescue.. sadly its inevitable the fact is that sadly, they won't be found alive in time. Personally I myself do hope and pray for their safe return to safety.
why you pray for these morons? pray for ukrainians who are getting blown in pieces by russian invaders. that would make sense, but why for this onlookers ,rich tourists blowing money to die in the darkness?
I don't think time was ever a factor. If you read about the materials, the process they used to put them together, some of the engineers being fired for voicing safety concerns, and the actual depths the equipment is rated for vs. the depth of the Titanic - it was likely all over very fast. EDIT: Yeah...debris field = they were chum in the blink of an eye.
BBC made a video saying the coast guard said they have less than 20 hours of oxygen left That video was released 23 hours ago. They're gone. Rest in pepperoni
Some things on this earth are just not meant for us to see personally and as humans we need to respect that. I really hope they are found safe and sound. This is horrific 😢
There's a reason the saying "curiosity killed the cat" exists. As much as we like to know everything about our planet, there are some things that are better left alone for our own safety.
I remember seeing about these excursions a while ago and I was flabbergasted by the minimal approach to contingency plans in the event of a disaster like we have now. I called it back then that one day they will have trouble. I remember saying if it gets lost how do you even tow it back up to the surface? I think my question might finally be answered at the expense of human life. How sad
If you didn't see one of the TV articles about the recovery methods, there is an autonomous robot that can dive to 6 km (the Titanic is at 3.8 km) and if it can locate the Titan it is able to attach cables to it. Then a specially designed crane on the surface can lift the Titan back up.
Oh no, it really is shocking how cheap these outfits run. People hear "submarine" and they immediately conjur up images of US Navy subs and professionals running around doing space age crap. Civilian world works a little different.
I cant imagine the horror these folks are enduring if they have indeed survived this long. I pray they are recovered & in time to save lives. I cant help but hear in the back of my mind a loose paraphrase from Dr. Ian Malcolm: They spent so much time worrying about whether or not they could, they never stopped to think if they should 😢
@@mrdark9916you know what I'd take that any day rather than being stuck down there right now just waiting for oxygen to run out and left with your final thoughts on earth miles beneath the surface of the ocean. A Quick and painless death seems like a luxury in comparison.
There was a hull breech and it sank to the bottom. Ego, hubris, carelessness, shoddy workmanship and stupidity sank the Titanic. History has just repeated itself.
The reason why I don’t find the ocean fun or some sort of happy place is because it is just unfathomable how deep and mysterious it is. Who knows there could be another dimension down there that we aren't supposed to explore. I hope these people will come back alive.
I really hope they are found safely. As much as I love the Olympic class liners I would never visit the wreck of the Titanic-- even if I had the money. I am terrified of being under water. I won’t even scuba or go on a cruise. I always knew how dangerous those expeditions can be and how they can end up.
@@simplytine2939 I realized that later after posting my sincerely stupid comment. The more I thought to myself they wouldn’t be found, watching this video.
If JESUS is there the boat never sink down even in the waving of great storm for Our God rule over the sky over the seas and over beneath of the earth but knowing that anywhere when JESUS us not there it is dangerous and fearful also death even in the safes places, so before to take any single step of our foot first we should put God before us. Remembers how JESUS commanded the storm when His Diciples was afraid of death so the storm left and the boat was safe.
Hell close to the bottom of the world. I feel desperately anxious for these poor people whilst not knowing any of them. What`s equally awful is that there are families waiting for those whom they love be rescued.
Recover it with what,even a nuclear submarine doesn't go that deep and even if it did you can't just tow it out...as need divers to attach the hook and impossible at that depth. It will only be recovered if it surfaces.
I’m so claustrophobic I get anxious when I’m in a movie theater. I wouldn’t last a minute under water in that submersible craft. It makes me nervous thinking about being in there.
I thought the same but then realized these people paid to become part of the research team. Exploring the titanic has helped advance science, they have found new bacteria that was undiscovered etc. People used to say that the Wright brothers wanting to fly a plane was insane and not needed also. Technology advances via things like this!
That's absolutely scary. To be in a tiny cylinder with 5 adults. Suffocating thousands of feet deep. We can only imagine what was going through their minds, maybe hallucinations etc.
I am so glad I am here on the surface, sitting at a desk at my 9-5 job. Never been happier to have as much air as I want, the sun is up, I can drink coffee....stretch my legs. I would take that over millions any day. WHY for the love of god did this submersible not have a tracker.
I so hope a miracle happens and they're found, alive. Meanwhile, maybe other rich kids might consider doing something more helpful with a quarter mil (plus what this rescue/recovery mission costs .)
@Kittyscraftcorner-ud6ij I feel like this has got to be the most likely scenario. Honestly as sad as it may sound, that's what I'm hoping for at this point... There's really no chance of saving them.
Not sure why they thought it'd be a good idea to go into a glorified tin can 4km under the ocean. A stupid risk to take just to see some rusty ship wreckage.
It seems utterly insane and irresponsibe to undertake such a risky adventure considering such a low level of safety. They sort of signed their own death sentence once they got in the sub.
Honestly the real reason why i cant muster up any sympathy. Theres so many red flags showing, the cheaply built submarine? Being controlled by a game controller that literally doesnt even work? Not bringing food or anything? No backup plans or anything to help with safety? The doors being bolted shut? The fact it isnt even an ACTUAL submarine or even certified??? Its so unsafe and so obvious its gonna fail and that they were gonna die i cant feel sympathy
Imagine being stuck in a tiny tube, cold, surrounded in darkness at the bottom of the ocean for several days. I can't imagine the claustrophobia that these guys are probably feeling right now. I hope they are found soon.
You only get clustiaphobier if you can see you surroundings.
And they will hot and dehydrated.
And confused.
They will need years of reashorance and support.
And the dark will become a unbearable
Even if they are found there is 0 possibility of bringing them up. There is no such technology..
Assuming there is also no food, no water. Running out of oxygen. The emotions in your mind just be mental. You would feel so panicked at first. But then you are calm, you know you will die and it's a matter of time in the next couple of days. Must be awful
That's assuming the submersible is still in one piece. If it was an implosion, the crew died instantly.
@@heylinspongesprite that's the theory I'm going with.......its over for them.
Amazing to think that Titanic still makes headlines after more than 111 years under the ocean
There are videos about Shipwrecks in the North Atlantic that have millions of views online. Some of these wrecks PREDATE the Titanic by several decades and we have never found their wreckage in most cases. Shipwrecks being headliners are not and never have been a significant thing in any historical subtext or context.
Because of humanity’s endless hubris. When will we ever learn?
@@patclaus8510 It's our hubris that enables us to USE THE INTERNET to communicate in the first place. We do these things because it is hard and because we can. Descartes was right here and so was JFK in this context. Hundreds of thousands of people have died in the North Atlantic, these five people are just part of a greater historical statistic, nothing more and nothing less.
@@DR3ADER1 WRONG, you silly poseur. This is a private thrill ride, the risk far outweighed the reward, the deaths are predictable and not in the least tragic. Those who designed the Titanic claimed that "God can't sink this ship." and the sub owners, crew and passengers all suffer from the same type of hubris. They got it in the neck, boo-hoo.
Humanity grows and develops through the innovation and perhaps reckless bravery of countless individuals. Similar things happen wherever we have been and wherever we will go - from the jungles and mountains to the deep sea and the moon and then to Mars and beyond. These people are the courageous individuals who embark on new and unusual expeditions that contribute to knew knowledge which is why we are where we are today.
Let this be another lesson to just leave the Titanic alone.
Or better safety standards. Safety regulations are written in blood.
100%
Why though? I’d love to see it!
I agree
@@54spatulaWell then have fun dying, better you than me lol
My dad was a scuba diver, and spent my childhood trying to convince me to learn and dive with him. Just the idea of scuba diving induced fear and anxiety in me as a child. I can’t imagine going down that deep.
I feel they are already gone, and I pray it was quick and they didn’t suffer. So unfortunate.
I can’t imagine that losing oxygen and gasping for air is quick. It’s so tragic 😢
@@hzlkelly it imploded what gasping they didnt even realise what happened
It literally crushed them all to death within seconds.... They didn't suffer at all. You feeling that they were already gone was spot on... I pray for all of their families. They'll never understand why these men & the one child who didn't even want to go in the first place, decided this was a good idea to do... A "once in a lifetime" opportunity cost them everything, their priceless lives. No amount of money will ever be able to console these peoples families, but hopefully, they will have some type of relief in knowing that they didn't have time to suffer. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤❤❤
you should have done it. with some common sense and safety awareness, it is a beautiful new world down there and not always this bad. accidents only happen when people get careless, dont double check their equipment, etc.
@@NikkiMarie9088 1 millisecond from the point the hull structure failed in fact. The human mind can't even comprehend stimulus before 25ms. They were dead before they knew they were dead.
This is literally like being buried alive, but instead of a coffin they're in a "submarine", and instead of soil they're buried in water. What a horrific way to leave this earth. I hope against all hope that they can somehow be rescued.
so it's literally not like being burried alive is what you're saying?
@@xSG1969x The experience must be similar, is what I'm saying.
I personally believe they're alive, but stuck at the bottom of the ocean. A normal descent to Titanic takes 2-2½ hours, and communication was lost about 90 minutes after they launched. This suggests they descended too fast and landed hard (either on a piece of the wreckage or on the muddy ocean floor) and got stuck. As far as why they haven't communicated...maybe a hard landing damaged their communication equipment (?)
I think, had there been any type of pressure leak, electrical failure, or fire the pilot would've been wise enough to abandon the expedition, dump the ballast and return immediately to the surface. A pressure leak (I would imagine) would be noticed and recognized pretty quickly.
Unfortunately, even though they may be alive now...there's nothing that can be done to tow the submersible or bring it to the surface.
@@sean2015 That's the point. Five people are sitting in a coffin of steel on the floor of the sea. It's dark, it's cold and they know that they have no chance to survive. I guess we can't imagine what they're going through.
Not quite. You get buried alive so you die havinf hope. At least thats what I always thought.
These people would know they doomed.
As a life-long sailor I find it stunning that there wasn't a simple Epirb on board that could be released to narrow the search zone. That is the most basic safety device found on any weekend charter boat. Accepting the risks but skipping the most basic rescue measure makes no sense - especially when wealthy tourists are paying $250,000 just to ogle at a wreck where 1,500 people died.
Yeah what the f?
But now that we have more info, the man who made that ship cut a lot of corners in safety, made outrageous claims that submarines are overly safe. He was really asking for this.
I''ve probably spent all of an hour in a boat bigger than a canoe, lol, but according to the expert in the video, radiowaves don't penetrate that depth of ocean--thus there'd be no way to activate a surface beacon from the submersible in case of emergency.
I'm guessing they had a position beacon left at the surface before their dive, because their entry point is known. But beyond that, very little is known about their location.
The expert said acoustic (ultrasonic) waves can travel thru the ocean's depths, so that's why airplanes are outfitted with acoustic beacons--in the event they crash in the ocean, the beacon is activated & that ping can travel to the surface to be detected. But as the interviewer pointed out, that system also failed for the Malaysia Airlines crash (but ultrasonic beacons have been improved dramatically as a result of that failure).
You don't have to answer, but do you think the submersible could remain intact at these depths (12500 ft!) for this length of time?
@@tothelighthouse9843 An Epirb would be RELEASED and float up to the surface where the radio signals transmit up to 15 miles for a minimum of 48 hrs at 406 MHz. USCG have software to calculate drift from current and wind to establish where the device surfaces so they can narrow their area and save time. The submersible should withstand long periods at depth but there is such a narrow margin that even a tiny problem with oxygen, navigation, structural failure, etc. the chances are poor they can survive this. We saw the Challanger explode and kill numerous civilian passengers after NASA blew off numerous problems to sustain the illusion of mastery. The Titanic sank for the exact same reason - hubris and blind trust in technology.
@@Ironbattlemace Don't we see the irony that the Titanic sank for the same reasons of hubris and blind faith in technology?
Just another case of private companies putting profit before human life. We never learn, and we never will.
Just hearing the expert describe "pitch black" gave me shivers. You couldn't pay me enough for this madness
This is why I just find this story hard to believe...no plan, no safety device, no measures....
Imagine being so removed from the normal concerns of life that you consciously place yourself in a situation like this.
No kidding! A million bucks for 5 guys to be thrown off a perfect floating boat miles to the bottom of the North Atlantic! Couldn’t think of a better way to blow some money!
That part 💯
This is why women live longer than men
didnt some shipmate get found at the bottom of the ocean with an air pocket in the ship? although it seems like it was a "low risk" rescue
@@laughlinkennedy3693 yeah not at that depth. Down where the titanic is you got like 3 tons per square inch of water pressure.
The way I see it there are two possibilities. Either they managed to get somewhat close to the surface, then there's a chance they might get rescued if found in time.
Or they are way the fuck down and then they might not even get recovered even if found.
They'll die of hypothermia before they asphyxiate, which is soewhat merciful because it comes with some nice hallucinations instead of the burning sensation of your chest cramping trying to breathe air that isn't there.
Plus they will likely be in absolute darkness.
Imagine the irony of feeling empathy for the victims of the Titanic and 100 years later you end up the same. Sad. And tragic. And such an irony.
They paid for it, and never knew they will experiment that in reality. There still little hope.
Plus the irony of the name of the submersible.
@@clintstephens7287 Glass fiber doesnt have the same shwong in it :)
@@shalimaar444here’s no hope, let’s just put that to rest.
1. No one knows where the vessel is located yet.
2. Once located, no technology available today that will bring them up from 2 and a half miles deep from the ocean depths.
3. May their souls rest in peace 🙏
4. Condolences to their immediate families ❤
Do submarines normally go that deep
Literally the full titanic experience
more like the full Kursk experience lol but next to the Titanic
$200,000 per seat.
Get the full titanic experience! INCLUDES DEATH
@@gabijoanna1110😂😂😂😂
Rite about that hope they are having a blast
these days, the fact it doesnt have a tracker and a backup tracker on it, is just irresponsible.
It's borderline suspicious
Lmao good luck sending a signal tho 2 miles of water
My thoughts EXACTLY. Like where the heck is a tracker? Lol.
If they just rely on a tracker that didn't work,They should have attached a metal made rope that is quite long for them as a guide to trace that submarine
@@Roses_777 they didn't thought about the signal....I mean did they ever test a tracker that have a signal even in the bottom level of that sea?
Titanic name and anything affiliated with it should be left alone it is a burial ground
Engineers from the carrier ship reported that communication with the Titan was interrupted 1.5 hours after the dive. This suggests that something happened to the submarine even before it reached the bottom. It takes at least 2.5 hours to get down to the Titanic. Anything could happen: depressurization is possible, the porthole cracked, there was a problem with the oxygen supply, due to which the passengers could suffocate, a short circuit and a fire inside the submarine itself, or the control simply failed, as a result of which, under the influence of an undercurrent, the submarine could be carried far beyond the area of the sunken Titanic. Nuance! If the passengers were "alive", they could simply drop the ballast and rise to the surface immediately. If the submarine is still not visible, then the chances of saving the passengers themselves are reduced to zero.
thats why they will never be found. they sink to an atmosphere of 5000 psi thats 98,125 lbs. there is hardly anything left when they reach bottom..
Reminded me of the plane where the chamber depressurised and everyone passed out
I think whatever the warning sign was, it came to pass in milliseconds.
Are you saying they might of imploded on the same day they lost contact despite having enough oxygen?
Does implosion create sound for other ships to be able to hear? I wonder. How would anyone know if they have been imploded other than not seeing any sign of them?
I am organising a trip to go put flowers down there, for only 100 thousand pounds per person. A bargain really.
Atleast they dont have to worry about interest rates or keeping their properties.
I’ve seen the technology involved with this sub, and I gotta say I am very unimpressed with the lack of safety features. Bolted in from the outside??? Wtf? What a dangerous, dangerous, dangerous tube that thing is no back up systems. Shocking, anyone would get in that thing. Cheers to the U.S. Coast Guard for trying.
You said the same I was thinking.
It’s controlled with a game
Controller- for a quarter of a million dollars how is it not set with the top of line everything?! Unfathomable how something like this is not regulated.
@@rebeccakinney6357 for ships it is. its called certification. In Germany you get it from "Germanischer Lloyd SE" Internatinal certification for ships is enforced by one single fact: You cannt enter any harbor without beeing certified. And here is the point: they are using a custom build submersible witch dont enter harbors itself. And they are diving in international water.
A PS controller to control a submersible at 3.800 meters????????😢😢 My thoughts to the families...
Ps: there's no GPS tracking on board?
US Navy can't send a Sub close enough to get a ping on sonar?😢
@@giorgosarifoglu953the sub is so tiny relative to the massiveness that is the ocean, it would be hard to get even close enough to ping it, even that could be a false positive.
I feel bad for them people I couldn't imagine being stuck at the bottom of the ocean and not knowing if you're going to live another day
Not to worry, they’re already dead.
If they are at the bottom then they won't.
I feel bad for your English
@@melanieforyouif they are at the bottom, in this case they are also dead as well
LOL😂
We need to manage underwater expeditions with the same rigor as going to space. this seems so cavalier to me.
It looks like Cameron had better equipment in 95. What a shameful piece of screws for this time.
Fully the fault of the CEO he was known to be angry with saftey regulations and preferred to cut corners. He wanted to save on making the sub safe and he got himself and 3 other people killed bc of it.
The arrogance of extreme wealth 😢
And don't put people in experimental subs.
@@Catinthehackmatrix Don't put people there at all. Unles for research maybe, but that was already done.
People don't want to die deliberately, this real carelessness, negligence, idiocy, to my mind.
Value of human life is a strange thing, in this instance, 5 lives are valued and there's a ton of attention. In other places where 100s and 1000s are dying with no hope of aid in the next 40 hours, no attention.
Hope these 5 get rescued, but strange we live in a world where 5 people's lives seem to outweigh the 1000s of lives out there that can probably be saved with less investment, probably immediately and with more guarantee.
Not sure what to make of it, shower thought so to speak.
5 rich people
They are billionaires on board 😢. Hence is all over the news
White and rich….that is why
@@russellking9762 White? The main people of interest are Pakistani lol. Why be racist bro
@@russellking9762 Or just anyone rich and powerful throughout history... so simple-minded to reduce people to their skin color.
So unfortunate that a 19 year old boy was taken on a voyage with so many risks. I won't doubt it if he had to sign waivers, essentially stating that he understood that death was a possibility.
They all signed waivers stating they knew how dangerous this was
@@JSrg8ix Exactly. Why on earth would a parent allow their 19 year old son to sign something like that? Perhaps they were so blindsided by the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that they subconsciously blocked out the magnitude of the risks...
A 19 year old is not a child lol
@@rusi6219 Well of course he is not a child. But he is also barely an adult. And a parent can still stage an intervention to prevent a young person from walking towards excessive danger. Of course, everyone is different, perhaps if you had a 19 year old son you'd leave a decision like that completely up to him, bc "he's not a child."
These same people posting here are probably ok with the government giving puberty blockers to small kids without parental consent
Absolutely horrifying, couldn't imagine being stuck in the dark just waiting to die.
You can imagine it. Just imagine it
They actually have lights on so its not so dark. Helps alot with the panicking
@@kownampla8035no they don’t it’s a blackout they lost power or something
The second half of this comment is what I feel every time I awaken
Their already dead
Hopes out for those that have gone missing, but the wreck should not become some tourist site. It’s a tomb for over a thousand people and shoulda be treated as such and left in peace.
meanwhile auschwitz:
Yes.
To conduct such events is not only negligent and deliberately inhumane as this submersible clearly lacked proper measures in the event of an emergency (it is not fully independent in terms of movement or operational requirements) it is to say the very least blatantly disrespectful otwars the souls that rest there and could not be saved... and now we lose these 5 people, with someone as young as 19 years old (barely an adult), a whole life ahead of them unnecessarily and tragically lost.
This was utterly unnecessary, deliberately cowardly, negligent, and should not have ever been allowed to even occur.
🙏
It is not a tomb. All bodies eroded away decades ago.
@@devitus781 And the Egyptian pyramids. I guess visiting all graveyards is a sin too.
some things we should leave alone. this ship was the cause of over a thousand deaths. GOD put it at the bottom of the ocean for a reason.
*Touring the wreck of the titanic* :$250k
*Joining the wreck of the titanic* : PRICELESS!
It's unbelievable that the company didn't have backup systems to communicate with the capsule. The playstation control and the two touch screen didn't look like they had enough backup systems to communicate.
Was it even dualshock?
@@blackwater7183 - I hope it wasn’t a DualSense Edge because the battery on mine only lasts like 4 hours, and that’s a death sentence.
the entire thing is generally a fiasco. e.g. they used carbon fiber which is horrible at shear strength, and they sealed it with just epoxy..
Yes. Crazy.
@@blackwater7183 That's a logitech F710 controller and not a PlayStation one.
One of the most fascinating interviews I've seen on the news. Really puts into perspective how absolutely different the bottom of the ocean is from anywhere else on this planet.
It’s under water. This is one key difference. Also sand and rocks I assume.
The dog @ the back minding his business is just cherry on top
@@BionicPig95giant squid, lantern fish, collosus squid, dumbo octopus, frog fish, barrel eye, fringehead, giant oarfish, viper fish, undiscovered medications & ~92% unknown
I had a missing sub once, I bought a Subway sandwich brought it home and my roommate ate it. Never found
True. What a journalism.
Rest in Piece too the 5 poor souls that dared and died in action too see the Titanic in person . Ships are replaceable lifes are not .
People that are speculating that it got hung up on the wreckage are forgetting that the vessel quit sending out pings only an hour and a forty five minutes into its decent. It takes approx two and a half hours to get down to the wreck. The vessel sends out pings every 15 minutes. So if it quit sending pings at an hour and a forty five minutes which is about 45 minutes _before_ it reaches the wreck, then I hate to say it but that means something happened and the vessel was compromised on the way down. It's been suggested by a few experts I've seem interviewed on various other outlets that it could have possibly have sprung a leak somehow and imploded. And if that happened then all electrical equipment goes out which means the pings stopped and the vessel fills with water and sinks to the bottom. I'm just guessing that's probably what happened, because if it _did_ successfully descend the entire 12,500 ft with no problems going down, then it should have been sending at least 3 more pings during the remaining 45 minutes that it had left to finally reach the Titanic wreckage. They may eventually find it on the bottom somewhere but I'm betting it won't be because they reached the wreckage voluntarily and then got tangled up in Titanic debris. If the scenario I described is how it played out, then that little submersible could be _anywhere_ on the bottom due to being carried by strong currents.
@@pnwrider8346 Possibly an implosion?
Very possible scenario...unfortunately.
Most likely an implosion.😊
Yes, implosion. As I understand it, if there’s a leak, the problem isn’t water, it’s water pressure. The submersible would implode because the pressure outside the vessel would be a dramatic mismatch for the human habitable pressure maintained inside. I think that’s how it works.
So if a leak formed, that would be instantly catastrophic. There would be no getting to the surface in time.
If it imploded due to a leak, I would think it would be in many pieces on the ocean floor by now, and probably over a wide surface area. (Excuse the pun surface area!)
Hope they are found in time - the anxiety on both sides must be unimaginable. Personally, I feel that the Titanic and other tragic/wartime shipwrecks are graveyards and should be left in peace by all but scientists, environmentalists (if it starts harming ocean life), and historians/preservationists when relevant. The safety of the submersible is also definitely not qualified to take civilians if it's not even consistently reliable for science.
I couldn't agree more.
The people who built this vessel and are leading it ARE scientists who thought it would be both profitable and historic to take civilians down to that watery grave.
There's close to zero chance they will be rescued alive. Even if they're found still alive, there is no way they'd be able to retrieve them before they died. It was pretty much too late for that once they lost communication 1.5hrs into the dive.
Even if they're found, they can't get rescued. They might as well be declared dead. Nobody wants to say it but its over.
Even if they find them, how can they rescue them? I think its game over. Prayers
Shame on you all.
It is shameful for humanity and all media outlets including you guys that this incident(which really was because of obvious disregard for safety standards & greed) gets so much media attention(mainly because they were billionaires) while last week hundreds refugees and migrants died in the deadliest shipwreck off the coast of Greece gets no media coverage or analysis.
I had no clue about that so I'm glad you mentioned about this incident, because I need to look into that now. Here in the US and a lot of media outlets like you said, we never know what is truly going in the world, it's like you have to dig in the internet to even find things that should have the worlds attention. It's sad, but hey, unfortunately for some reason our world cares more about stories that interest them and not the catastrophes that are significantly worse than what we focus on, like the incident in Greece you mentioned.
The way he said those who knew him instead of know tells you what he thinks about their fate
good point....god this is horrible
It's a bloody death trap. A Navy guy said it may as well have been bolted together from an internet shopping list. The company deploying it should of had a rescue sub on standby for the duration of the trip.
Complete negligence to not have an emergency stand by sub
a Navy guy....LOL!
I don't understand the situation. These small subs have surface support vessels I thought. Why is the search area so huge
The very idea of doing something like this is on the people. It just ain't sane.
@Charles Whiteou’re talking about people with more money than 99.99% of the planet could not even imagine in 100 lifetimes. What do you think the price is they put on their own life. You think right now none of them would pay £5 mil a ticket to get out of there? The whole thing is immoral anyway. Let’s hope future rich vanity infected fools will find better ways of spending £1 mill pounds, like helping a homeless shelter.
If it took 70 years to find a shipwreck so large that it was named Titanic, then the hopes of finding such a small thing as this, even with the help of drone technology, seems really quite slim
There’s no question they will find the vessel- the reality is that they will find it in several pieces along the ocean floor near the same trench in which the Titanic lay.
Well there’s a huge difference between finding something back then and finding something in 2023. They may even have some kinds of emergency signals they can still use.
You really can't see why that is completely different?
Technology has massively improved since the titanic sunk, but I do think they won’t find them, personally I think it has imploded
The question isn’t only finding the vessel but salvaging it and saving the people onboard.
Tragic but the whole "I can control my tin can submarine with a Playstation 2 controller!" at 01:54 with a lack of any actual instruments in the cockpit should have been a major red flag.
The fact it got so far down and then all communication was cut gives me the feeling it has imploded, sad but not surprising. I can’t stop watching every video and refreshing them waiting for a miracle to happen
😢
Same.
Agreed. They have multiple systems to surface, so if it hasn’t been found up top then the only other plausible option is implosion. They wouldn’t be snagged on the wreckage because they never would have found it after communications were lost. They wouldn’t be stuck in the mud because they wouldn’t have continued descent for another hour or so after losing communication. Unfortunately it seems like a near certainty that it imploded during the descent.
No miracles here. They are DEAD
If it has imploded then the people onboard won’t be found, they wouldn’t have felt anything and just instantly died, it’s sad but in that sort of situation it’s what’s best for them
Another example of what happens when people have more money than brains.
"Humanity’s problems stem from man’s inability to sit quietly in a room alone" - Blaise Pascal
@@rinsomatic9295 What a schizo take.
I get anxiety thinking about being stuck in a vessel under water. My heartfelt prayers are with these men i hope they are found safe and sound
Same. I've literally been near a panic attack since finding out about the disappearance. You couldn't PAY me $250,000 or ANY amount of money to get in one of those things. I pray to God that if they're not alive (and I highly doubt they are) they went quick & painlessly. God be with everyone involved 😢
your hairline is unbeweavble
I can't even get on the submarine ride at Disney without having a panic attack and that barely goes underwater. I pray for God to help these people
@@usmc_sunscreenqueeni think they are most def alive and will die by tmrw sadly
@@dhehbdh473nah they imploded days ago homie
So are they breathing pure Oxygen at 2.5 PSI ? Likely to combust with a spark ? How is CO2 dealt with ? Astronauts died doing that.
an experimental sub operated by a game controller........Madness
And no certification whatsoever. Deliberately. In my book this is murder!
@@telebubba5527 they knew the risks and signed waivers acknowledging potential death.
@@user-gg2ty5tk8k There are certain requirements a vessel like this has to adhere to, especially if it is going to be used as a tourist attraction. He bribed his way out of them.
@@xeiAiex You sign waivers before you get operated in hospital, but that doesn't mean you really expect to die...
If there was no manual interface with control surfaces or tanks just the game controller, they are SOL.
They paid $250,000 for the full Titanic experience and it was delivered to them. Sinking is part of that experience.
And now they will become a part of next exhibition - I mean expedition.
@@oneshothunter9877 i hope the next ones will not use a logitech F710 wireless
Dude, that was dark
No. A romance is necessary with nookie. Anything less is unsatisfactory
@@oneshothunter9877dark but true.well said fella
Was this "tourist submersible" approved by any maritime authority? Was it checked for safety procedures? Did the company that owned this submersible even have a contingency plan for rescue/problem/accident situations? Some valid questions here.
It seems that these 5 people may not have truly known the dangers of the sea when they climbed into that submersible. Never tamper with Mother Nature---she always wins in the end.
Not approved, actually was told by officials 5 years ago how much of a risk it was.
The forms they signed getting on mentioned it's dangerous and said no compensation for death about 3 times.
Oh they knew, they read the contracts that told them that this wasn't approved by any regulatory body. They took their chances and now the dice have been rolled.
The irony here is that the exact same mistakes were made with the Titanic.......Creepy.
I find it strange that we have a billionaire in that sub wonder what his money was invested in 🤔
@@kimborashiti711 Not distress beacons, that's for sure.
Remove these out-of-date stories when they become irrelevant!
I just watched a four part series from a travel vlogger named alanxmundo who went down to the Titanic in this very submersible. He had to make two attempts because the first one they had to cancel because it was too dangerous. He gives an excellent insight into all the preparations that the crews have to make. On his second attempt the following year his submersible actually lost communication with the ship for some minutes before it was restored. The driver of he submersible was actually beginning to start the process of aborting the descent and bringing it up to the surface when communications were restored and they were allowed to go on to the bottom. They actually spend a good hour touring the ship and seeing the "money shot" the prow etc before returning to the surface. In the end he makes some interesting comments about the company and the experience as a whole, and visits the cemetery in Halifax where hundreds of Titanic's victims are buried. I recommend you watch his videos about his excursion on the Titan, this same submersible that went missing here, if you're interested inlearning more about it. Start with Part 1 but if you just want to watch the episode where he reaches the Titanic you can skip to Part 4. Only issue is that it's in Spanish. Not sure if it's closed captioned in English . . . Part 1 title is "Mi expedición al TITANIC parte 1/4 | Alan por el mundo"
Thank you 🙏 will check it out
The spelling mistake and punctuation on this is horrendous.
@@JOEYDIAZ9😂😂😂
@@JOEYDIAZ9 Are you talking about the closed captioning in English? If so, they always are! It's the same in all the videos.
@@stonew1927 no, I'm talking about your paragraph. It is like my niece wrote this. Lol 🤣
Being informed about how dangerous it is down there, and actually being down there in a pretty much inescapable situation are two very different things. And you don't realise it until it is too late (unfortunately).
I'm think they were assured that their submarine is very safe, like a plane.
Kind of reminded me of White Island in NZ, skimming a waiver while you're told it's the 'adventure of a lifetime' and that there has never been a fatality and how much fun you're going to have is one thing, but was there actual conversations with the people onboard about the risks? I really hope there was. Cannot believe the sub didn't have releasable trackers.
@@meggy0 yes how dumb eh ?? Something so simple.
pft mike reiss's 2 sec explanation @2:57 would have been enough to deter me from going on this expedition of no return. Im sure the current passengers were referred by their millionaire friends that took the trip prior to them. They would have definitely gotten truthful take on the experience. tbh I don't really feel sorry for these folks.
At 1:22 shows a guy tightening up the bolts using wrench incorrectly(+ wrench slipping off nut) and not torqueing the bolts.😮
According to the New York Times: "warned of a potential "catastrophic" outcome by experts, Stockton Rush, the CEO of OceanGate, who is missing with the other occupants of his submersible, claimed that "industry regulation is stifling innovation." In 2018, submersible diving industry urged the company to have Titan undergo certification to the submersible in line with industry safety standards.
Rest in Peace
M/0
Wow, and he STILL let people in there?! Shame on him!
@@valerieserrano1245 He was too cheap for the original window. He bought one certified for 1300 m and fired the engineer who complained and said no.
He theb refused testing, took the boat to 3000 m called it safe and next trip he took paying customers to 3840 m claiming falsely the craft was tested to 4000 m which it never was.
He killed them all including himself.
The tally:
-One famous and beloved French oceanographer and submarine pilot
- Pakistani millionaire who funds SETI and many more scientific research projects, best described as "a cool guy"
- his teenage son
- British thrillseeker and billionaire (I think he's the one we can say he fits the typical bored billionaire sterotype)
- And one delusional CEO who fired engineers for telling him he will kill everyone and who was BEGGED by multiple experts to have the craft certified.
Conclusion: hire experts when building submarines. College kids are great but there needs to be one expert who can say, we'll all die of we do that.
idiots with more money than sense, who fully deserve the Darwin awards heading their way.
Who released them for business? We all know who removed the limitations that were in the way regulation wise.
Now its 40hrs, it was 23 yesterday, dont be surprised when they find these people. A good publicity stunt was needed for money, nobody went under water without a proper safety team on standby
My prayers go out to the recuers, the lost, and their families.
in Greece more then 200 afircan and Pakistan died in ship..no more rescue mission..becose they were poor😢
@@asmith9140they have not found them… However they recently announced that they have heard a banging noise in 30 second intervals with the technology they deployed underwater. Although it is slim there is still hope. Prayers!
SINK THE RICH
No amount of prayer can save them 😂
Your prayers are useless. They’re not giving them more oxygen.
It's really horrific to hear what those people have to endure. I really hope they are found. But how come that we go to such lengths to find a handful of rich people, but let poor people drown in the ocean?
Because not all lives are equal, some are apparently more important, this is the reality.
That is the right question
You answered your own question.
For society billionaries pay a LOT in taxes
@@beachtroll4023If they don't have a fake location for their buisnesses in Panama or some other tax-paradize...
I don't think I can think of a more horrifying experience than what these people are paying to do. I mean some guy named Victor Vescovo holds the record for going down almost 36,000 feet. More than 3x the depth we are talking about here. This is fever dream, lunatic behavior. I'd get in, look down, and nope out like a cat in a bathtub. Its insanity to me.
Me too
I agree
I can think of one.
You know BEING ON THE TITANIC
Id rather die on the titanic than being in a small tube sinking to the bottom of the ocean floor
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A FUN TRIP AT ALL..
VERY SAD TO LOSE GREAT PEOPLE.😢😮😢
Feel sorry for the families of the passengers. They’re gone for sure, such an awful way to go. I hope it was quick and painless.
I just hope it was worth it smh
That positive thinking course was a waste of your money
Amen
Truth is, you’re right. There’s no way to recover them. Nothing else goes deeper.
Sorry for the families. THEY ARE BILLIONAIRES...
BUYING BOTTLES OF WINE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN YOUR YEARLY RENT ACCOUNT..
Bolted by a hand ratchet with no torque spec? What kind of operation is this?!
Would have been better if it was sealed by welding.
£200,000 for a ticket to death.
Lovely
Well, when you gotta go, you gotta go I expect....
I just hope it was worth it
They have strong reasons to request money back
Sounds like a sound title
Just looking at the pics here of the Titanic is eerie and dark and deep. I would never want to go does
Well they definitely got the Titanic experience, just not in the way they expected
Damn
No Rose😔
Oof
You're technically right
Even if found alive, it must be incredibly complex to bring them to safety. Depending of course on what caused them to get lost in the first place, but it feels like there’s not a lot that can be done even if they are found.
It seems there are some rescue and salvage systems available, but none that have been reliably tested at such great depths if I understand it correctly.
Right, it's too difficult to get them. Unfortunately, it's over for them
The only way I can think of is to send down a unmanned sub capable of somehow attaching a tow cable. Then reeling it in using some kind of mega-ship capable of pulling that much cable (12,000+ feet of it) attached to a pod against all that pressure.
I didn't even think about that. It's a bit like rescuing people from the moon when you think about it. There's just nothing that can be done in the short time left if something goes wrong. edit: And It's possible to have radio communication with the moon but I'm not sure about the deep ocean. So maybe worse than the moon in a sense.
The only thing I can think of is if they filled up their oxygen? I think we’ve accepted that if they do come back, it won’t be soon enough. Imagine getting into a tiny metal box that’s controlled with a console controller for 200,000 quid that also has no health and safety. They should’ve known-
@@acorn8164 they did know. They signed a document acknowledging they knew.
I am not being negative here; realistic.
From what has been detailed, the ocean currents at 13,000 feet in depth, are very strong. They are so strong it has pushed and forced a submarine just like this one, in to the propeller of the Titantic where it got stuck temporarily.
From what has been detailed, we learned the ocean visibility at 13,000 feet is O. It's pitch black. The submarine has a special lense that penetrates the dark spectrum of color and produces light however it's wave length is very narrow for visibility.
What that means is, even if they can get a navy submarine down to 13,000 feet within the next 14-20 hours, it is unlikely they will spot the submarine especially if the ocean floor is throwing up particles and debris from the pure mass of pressure down there.
People need to really be sensible about this they pretty much aren’t surviving this they’d be lucky if they find the bodies period .
This video is on June 20 and if you Google Stockton Rush his date of death will show as June 18, 2023. They knew that they were already dead.
June 18th was the last day they were seen alive. Someone went back and changed it to that after they were confirmed dead.
No one knows when they actually died, it hasn't been said yet. If it does get revealed then I bet you they'll change it to when it imploded.
@@beano2689 true
i can't stop thinking about this
Same here-praying!!🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Even if its floating on the ocean surface, they have no way of getting out
But you'd have oxygen and better chance of being spotted.
@@shaunlulz No that's what he's saying, they would still run out of oxygen in 40 hours because it's bolted air tight. No oxygen in or out.
@@jaboy150 exactly this
The interview toward the end with David Gallo was extraordinarily enlightening! It’s true that relatively few people have extended knowledge about the deep sea. And I learned a lot from him.
I don't want to imagine the horror that these people must be going through that is if they are still alive. May God bless their souls....
😂😂
You gotta to be out of your mind to get in that tube then get bolted in and go to 13000 ft down with no way to rescue yourselves and no way for escape. Experimental? If it surfaces they cannot open it the bolts prevent it. All one can do now is hope they get lucky and find it. Better off looking at films of it then going down
Fr, it's like going down the highway on a power wheels
This is like looking for a needle in haystack. I hope they found them but I think it’s gonna be hard.
No emergency distress beacon? That is criminal.
I also think so. ( in Vietnam, we use " It's as hard as seeking for a needle in the sea bed" - U use the word "haystack"
More like looking for a needle in a haystack, and also needing to find the haystack itself!
And in complete dark, too
@@ekpfneedle in a pile of needles
The pressure turned them into something you would never want to see if anything is left......they felt no pain
why everybody feel sorry for like 3 billionaires who each paid 250k for this trip while at the same time 500+ refugees fleeing war and femine are missing in greece
To be honest, there is no chance to find them alive. So why all this effort?
Because the media/public coverage would be extremely bad if anything possible wasnt done, even if the chances of any rescue were from the beginning very slim.
TBH, the most likely option is that the vessel couldnt handle the pressure and cracked/exploded already as soon as they lost communication with the vessel. but as long as there isnt 100% certainty that the people inside are dead, there is really no choice but to do what they have done thus far.....ofc pretty soon they willl officially say that "its no longer search and rescue, just search for the bodies/the wreck of the vessel"
The family members likely would still want their bodies retreived is possible for burial at land, rather than burial at sea
To create either fake or panic news as usual
Carbon fiber does not generally gradually crack. It shatters at once especially as a tube.
This is a common misnomer. Layup changes everything with CF. It can flex and bend and crack in a failure mode, if designed to do so.
@@big-smoke-rcThis one the fibers are only in one direction wrapped around the vessel. Not a pattern like a COPV. 5 inches of parallel fiber CFC. Glued to titanium without vacuum sealing the bonding agent. Applied by hand. Window designed for 1300 m.
@@big-smoke-rcVideo pf manufacturing exists to prove my claims.
@@221b-l3tThanks for that information!! Would you be able to provide a link? It would be greatly appreciated!!🙏
@@221b-l3t doesn't change what I said
It's just unbelievable that the sub doesn't have a beacon.
the owner used his money to lobby and block the regulations they were trying to bring to these subs like mandatory trackers and that the sub must be able to be opened from the inside. You know BASIC logical things that any reasonable person would think.
@@user-er1fp9ez6y A standard issue underwater locator beacon designed for aeroplanes can be detected over 3 miles below the surface. Perhaps you need to adjust your belief parameters. Equipping a submarine or anything else with a two mile depth beacon is perfectly reasonable and realistic, but this 250k per seat tube cut a few financial corners. Hence the Logitech PS3 controller "guidance system" and the Windows 8 OS.
@@CatboiDualthat is not how it happened! 😂 what are you on?
Neither did the kursk
Should have attached a cable to the sub...
I want the family members to know that we're praying for those five as if they're our own family members All our Hearts go out to all of you members
🙏🙏🙏🙏
Let them d
Amazing to think that Titanic still makes headlines after more than 119 years under the ocean,,,,,may we all be great
As upsetting and distressing this terrible subject is.. even if they are found in time, the rescuers wouldn't even have enough time to get the submersible to the surface of the water, that's after finding and setting up such a machine that is capable of a rescue.. sadly its inevitable the fact is that sadly, they won't be found alive in time. Personally I myself do hope and pray for their safe return to safety.
What did they expect ?
why you pray for these morons? pray for ukrainians who are getting blown in pieces by russian invaders. that would make sense, but why for this onlookers ,rich tourists blowing money to die in the darkness?
I don't think time was ever a factor. If you read about the materials, the process they used to put them together, some of the engineers being fired for voicing safety concerns, and the actual depths the equipment is rated for vs. the depth of the Titanic - it was likely all over very fast.
EDIT: Yeah...debris field = they were chum in the blink of an eye.
BBC made a video saying the coast guard said they have less than 20 hours of oxygen left
That video was released 23 hours ago. They're gone. Rest in pepperoni
A lot of experts say it imploded. So for better or worse it was probably over fast.
Some things on this earth are just not meant for us to see personally and as humans we need to respect that. I really hope they are found safe and sound. This is horrific 😢
I agree
There's a reason the saying "curiosity killed the cat" exists. As much as we like to know everything about our planet, there are some things that are better left alone for our own safety.
@@kittenchristmas4194 absolutely!
💯 true
Not true, we can see whatever we want if we make it happen
I remember seeing about these excursions a while ago and I was flabbergasted by the minimal approach to contingency plans in the event of a disaster like we have now. I called it back then that one day they will have trouble.
I remember saying if it gets lost how do you even tow it back up to the surface? I think my question might finally be answered at the expense of human life. How sad
If you didn't see one of the TV articles about the recovery methods, there is an autonomous robot that can dive to 6 km (the Titanic is at 3.8 km) and if it can locate the Titan it is able to attach cables to it. Then a specially designed crane on the surface can lift the Titan back up.
Oh no, it really is shocking how cheap these outfits run. People hear "submarine" and they immediately conjur up images of US Navy subs and professionals running around doing space age crap. Civilian world works a little different.
Prayers for the rescue team as well🇺🇲
I cant imagine the horror these folks are enduring if they have indeed survived this long. I pray they are recovered & in time to save lives. I cant help but hear in the back of my mind a loose paraphrase from Dr. Ian Malcolm: They spent so much time worrying about whether or not they could, they never stopped to think if they should 😢
They were liquified and sucked through a bolt hole instantaneously, don't worry... Lol 😂
@@mrdark9916you know what I'd take that any day rather than being stuck down there right now just waiting for oxygen to run out and left with your final thoughts on earth miles beneath the surface of the ocean. A Quick and painless death seems like a luxury in comparison.
@@mrdark9916That's not how it works…
Seems like they didn’t even figure out how they could before they decided to try it anyway.
And I counter by quoting Portal 2's Cave Johnson: "Science isn't about "Why?" it's about "Why not?"
There was a hull breech and it sank to the bottom. Ego, hubris, carelessness, shoddy workmanship and stupidity sank the Titanic. History has just repeated itself.
History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme. - Mark Twain -
"Iceberg! Right ahead!!"
If there was a hull breach then it didnt get near the bottom, Mr Physics.
Standing ovation! Well said!💯💯 Hit the nail on the head!
You could be right, but this is speculation.
The reason why I don’t find the ocean fun or some sort of happy place is because it is just unfathomable how deep and mysterious it is. Who knows there could be another dimension down there that we aren't supposed to explore.
I hope these people will come back alive.
Nice pun
I hope pigs will fly one day
🤣🤣💀
@@BossMan-vl5cdwe all do 😔
The megalodon already eat them :(
I really hope they are found safely. As much as I love the Olympic class liners I would never visit the wreck of the Titanic-- even if I had the money. I am terrified of being under water. I won’t even scuba or go on a cruise. I always knew how dangerous those expeditions can be and how they can end up.
Dead? Still be found dead safely? Syk they are dead
Cruise arent dangerous. No wonder there are only 4 safe water transpo
Scuba is all good. Just get lots of training and take real care. Just don't do deep dives. Only do what u r comfortable with.
@@simplytine2939 I realized that later after posting my sincerely stupid comment. The more I thought to myself they wouldn’t be found, watching this video.
If JESUS is there the boat never sink down even in the waving of great storm for Our God rule over the sky over the seas and over beneath of the earth but knowing that anywhere when JESUS us not there it is dangerous and fearful also death even in the safes places, so before to take any single step of our foot first we should put God before us. Remembers how JESUS commanded the storm when His Diciples was afraid of death so the storm left and the boat was safe.
Hell close to the bottom of the world. I feel desperately anxious for these poor people whilst not knowing any of them. What`s equally awful is that there are families waiting for those whom they love be rescued.
Am praying for these five souls almighty god please intervene.
, imagine asking what you steer it with and they pull out a Nintendo joy stick ! Err
No thanks
No one "needs" to see the Titanic. Leave graves alone.
Hopefully when they recover the sub, the people inside recorded final messages for family and to know what went wrong.
You hoping to see the death videos on liveleak?
Last words will be like "ugh"...
@@ksm1985liveleak hasn’t existed for years
Recover it with what,even a nuclear submarine doesn't go that deep and even if it did you can't just tow it out...as need divers to attach the hook and impossible at that depth.
It will only be recovered if it surfaces.
@@Censorshift 2 years. It stopped in 2021. I didn't know it either, so I looked it up. Was not an avid fan of it.
I’m so claustrophobic I get anxious when I’m in a movie theater. I wouldn’t last a minute under water in that submersible craft. It makes me nervous thinking about being in there.
My heart goes out to the mother who's son is sitting in that half-baked contraption......the whole thing is ridiculous and could have been avoided
Stupidity.
Her husband toi
Her son is probably dead 20 plus hours ago. RIP
I thought the same but then realized these people paid to become part of the research team. Exploring the titanic has helped advance science, they have found new bacteria that was undiscovered etc. People used to say that the Wright brothers wanting to fly a plane was insane and not needed also. Technology advances via things like this!
@@tula1433- But they weren't exploring were they? Wasn't it just a tourist trip?
That's absolutely scary. To be in a tiny cylinder with 5 adults. Suffocating thousands of feet deep. We can only imagine what was going through their minds, maybe hallucinations etc.
An explosion happened. No survivors. God bless them, I hope the explosion happened soon enough, so that their death was quicker...
it was over before they even knew what happenend.
I am so glad I am here on the surface, sitting at a desk at my 9-5 job. Never been happier to have as much air as I want, the sun is up, I can drink coffee....stretch my legs. I would take that over millions any day. WHY for the love of god did this submersible not have a tracker.
Gps not working at these depths
I so hope a miracle happens and they're found, alive. Meanwhile, maybe other rich kids might consider doing something more helpful with a quarter mil (plus what this rescue/recovery mission costs .)
...not to mention the safety of the humans trying to save them. That is all.
@@Ancient_PollyannaI completely agree.
They very likely give a LOT of money to charitable causes too mate.
@@Vikt68for tax purposes most likely…
Yep👏🏽
What a metaphor for our times.... 100 years later, we still have not learned... so so tragic.
We learn from history that we do not learn from history.
Who is going to pay for this MASSIVE rescue mission, for a privately purchased and dangerous fun excursion. Let them pass, they knew the risks!
Hopefully they find them. Imagine suffocating to death. One crappy way to go. Prayers
suffocation isn't the bad bit. The bad part is being trapped in a very claustrophobic airtight space with strangers for days with no toilets.
@@jamesdawson2510true. But im probably imaging if that happened to me I panic when I can’t breath.
Actually, suffocating is supposedly very gentle. You get very silly and then you fall asleep. RIP to these souls.
Not to add wood to the fire but you don’t know if the system that provides oxygen is functioning or not!!! Hope they are found safe!
@Kitty's craft corner😢
@Kittyscraftcorner-ud6ij I feel like this has got to be the most likely scenario. Honestly as sad as it may sound, that's what I'm hoping for at this point... There's really no chance of saving them.
I think you are adding paper and extra wood and coal to the fire😅😅😃😃
@@tinkabell339 😬.. I truly feel bad …. Hoping for the best outcome
The backup oxygen is not based on power supply and also
there is a CO2 scrubber also. A two part system.
Let us keep hoping that they will be found especially the youth who still has so much to live for
Nope. They dead...
Yeah, that's not going to happen
I think it was highly irresponsible for the father to bring his son along like that.
Let’s hope that future billionaires think of better ways to spend £1 million pounds, like helping their underpaid exploited workforce.
@@philip-at-tube Yeah I feel really sorry for the boy. He's only 19 years old. It was stupid of the father to drag him into such a risky situation.
Not sure why they thought it'd be a good idea to go into a glorified tin can 4km under the ocean. A stupid risk to take just to see some rusty ship wreckage.
You have the same access to information as anyone else. If you’re not sure, just look it up. Stupid is as stupid does.
We’ll if you got money to burn, ordinary stuff probably lose meaning and you need extra kick
I feel for them, said event hopefully they are found in time, this shows just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.
This is another lesson to be learned for humanity so just keep on moving and hopefully their sub is found intact
A literal death trap.
yep.
It seems utterly insane and irresponsibe to undertake such a risky adventure considering such a low level of safety. They sort of signed their own death sentence once they got in the sub.
Honestly the real reason why i cant muster up any sympathy. Theres so many red flags showing, the cheaply built submarine? Being controlled by a game controller that literally doesnt even work? Not bringing food or anything? No backup plans or anything to help with safety? The doors being bolted shut? The fact it isnt even an ACTUAL submarine or even certified??? Its so unsafe and so obvious its gonna fail and that they were gonna die i cant feel sympathy
@@tamtam2939 voluntary passing? Or murder?