2 Sundown X12's on 12,000W in a 2015 COROLLA! Walkthrough + Demos, Final Update
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2 Sundown X12's in the trunk
Taramps MD12k 0.5 ohm Edition
Sundown SFB 500.4D for Mids/Highs
Deaf Bonce/Alphard Arnolds in the rear, Deaf Bonce/Alphard Sylvester's in the front.
250A CES Alternator with a 14.8v Regulator.
45aH Limitless Lithium Battery, 55AH AGM up front (being replaced because of corrosion)
Box is 3.97 cu. ft net tuned at 31Hz (33L x 15H x 28D), built by CustomLowZ.
The system has been removed from the car, it's been a good run, but it's done too much damage, and it's just too much to worry about, it's killed my fuel pump leaving me stranded on the interstate, so I'm not really bout it anymore in this car lol. I'll eventually buy some beater to do a bigger build in, but i'm done with "big bass" in my daily. - เกม
Thanks for the slomo video showing what proper power at peak to peak excursion looks like. So rare to see, even the big companys show clipping.
Nice,I'm running 4 X15s on two EMF 12ks in 4th order 2.1 ratio in S10 blow thru and love them
Beautiful setup...dang it left you stranded lol...now you bassing hard👍
I just ordered the Xv3's but man that box is beautiful!
Those amp mounting feet are sweet , as is your whole system bud 💪😎👍
Them 12s get down on that 12k nice demo like the setup
when they kink u know you using the full mechanical potential imo i love it
When they kink, it shows the surround isn't designed correctly, and it will fail eventually
@@a807511 ok Designer 😌
@@a807511who the hell told you that?
@@a807511he’s correct!
@@a807511 not designed correctly? half true. will fail? never
the dimples on the surround can cause the coil to misalign and scrape the insides of the gap on the process, which is not very good, but i very much doubt the surrounds will be damaged solely by the movement. the weakest link here is the glue between the surround itself and the speaker cone.
I absolutely love this box
😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Lourd!!!!
Merci pour les titres des songes👍👍👍
Love it!!
Killing it with 2 12s. nice.
Does having the 14.8 regulator on the alternator give you a check engine light? I have same car as you and i have a brand x alternator waiting to be installed that has a 14.8 regulator on it.
Nope, although I get worried about the charging sometimes. When it gets SUPER cold it damn near hits 16V, which gets a little scary for me (I also got my regulator and harness from Singer, so Brand X could be different). I'm debating on moving back to 13.8 with the OEM adapter just because i'm not sure if my new system I plan on doing will send the amps into protect or not. Technically the car can handle up to 24v before stuff blows up, but I don't want to chance anything. If you get cold winters, check the voltage often to see what it's doing.
Hey hey hey, i have a question, if you face subs in the cabin, do you have to reverse phase too? Or just leave the phase alone like how you'd have it facing the trunk?
I didn't, I've only ever seen people reverse the phase when they are inverted or have 2 separate amps. But you can try both and see which one is louder, that will tell you if its correct or not. But im assuming just always keep them in regular phase, it shouldn't matter which way the box is facing.
Thats what i was thinking it shouldnt matter which way the box is facing, just keep the phase the same..only if you invert subs. But i will try and see if it makes a difference, thanks yo! Btw nice setup!!
Holy crap those 12’s absolutely kill the lows I have the same thing but the 15 and I get no where close to that much air moved but it flex’s my roof and my windshield like it’s paper 😂😂
That mirror gonna fly one day 😂
Did you have to use an a battery isolator since your running a agm battery and lithium?How did you wire them? Thanks for your time
For the limitless blue batteries (LiFePo4) you can run an AGM with it, so i just wired them together. But if you're running LTO you cannot, so make sure you know the chemistry you're getting. I got confirmation from Limitless themselves saying that its fine to run the blues with AGM's.
I know somebody has already asked this but why not face them towards the lid not enough clearnace or you just like the setup that way?
It's not nearly as windy and loud, it may work better in some cars, but for mine firing into the cabin works the best.
I can smell those coils cooking through my phone
Have you tried to run it at 2ohm just curious I was thinking of running 2 x15v3 on md12 at 2ohm
Not this specific amp, but I had an MD8k at 2 ohms on them, and they were fine.
Bro you got it going on for sure. You need a new box though bad
I like that amp and subs I bet they're loud as hell how much did it cost you for the whole setup? I'm guessing over $5,000?
around there yea.
You could run some led strips around the subs to hide the sealer calking
👏👏👏😅😳❤❤
Question how did u run that lithium with front battery I was told have to run battery delete
You can run certain chemistries with AGM. It's technically not recommended, but they do work. Limitless blue's work from what I've been told by Limitless. Their Cyber series was meant to be ran with AGM's. But the Limitless gorilla (LTO) will not work. I'd just check with the manufacturer and see what they say.
How big is that box?Looks nice.
Actually these subs are built to run in smaller enclosures. Very versatile sub. I have a 3.9 cubic foot enclosure with 2 Avatar Stu 12s on a jp63. Getting the electrical ready to run at half ohm. Gotta get D2 subs. Probably will stay with avatar but was contemplating these. Too bad you can't try out subs first. Lol. Also Very well done bro.
I’m doing 151@28 on Stu 12s moving way more air than this on 5500
I’m floating cloth window down
Not cracked like this
This isn’t bad
But it’s not Avatar good
@@ShadeTreeSplwell I did a 151 out the trunk with one SSA Evil 15”, so I guess you don’t have that SSA Evil touch. Then I did 154 on two DD 9912’s. Only made this text to show you be carful when you think you hitting hard and talk about someone else’s system. Now fixing to do three sundown ZV6’s, but hey as long as you are happy and he is that is what counts.
@@ShadeTreeSplmoving more air doesn’t mean louder 😉, depends on build. This guy could still be louder than you.
@@lilcam7372 Air is SPL genius
More air
More SPL
Simple
Mic pics up “AIR”
smaller boxes are gay
we're did you get those to mount t the amp MD have they held up
They were from a company called dbwerx, but i dont think they sell them anymore. This is the OEM for them: www.vibrostop.it/prodotto/antivibranti-in-gomma/aad/ but i think you can only get them in bulk. And yes they held up just fine.
so that tiny lithium can power 13k watts? w a alternator ofc?
I think the battery itself can handle around 8500w with 300a of charging, but I don't actually get 12,000W from the amp, it was more like 7-8k RMS I'd say after rise.
Where did you buy those mounting feet?
I got them from a place called "dbwerx" but they don't sell then anymore. On the feet they have this website on them: www.vibrostop.it/en/product/rubber-vibration-mounts/aad/
That's the manufacturer's website. Although it seems like you may have to contact the vendor about them, if that's the case they may only sell in bulk or something. May be able to google "AA20 vibration" or something and hopefully find some for sale somewhere.
Sad to see it go. Want to sell box?
I got 2 u15s on md8k 250a xs power super bank
Hi friend which alternator brand do you recommend me for same Corolla?
In terms of amp ratings, 250A or less for sure. 250A bogs my engine RPM's down sometimes though when i'm at a complete stop drawing some power, not sure how under 200A does with the RPM's though, we have pretty weak cars.
I got my alt from CES (custom electric service), I'm not sure if they are still around as much, but Brand X, Apex, Iragi, Singer, Mech Man, they all make good alternators. Jonathan at Brand X built my alternator while he was at CES and it's fine. Brand X seems to be the biggest one right now, so maybe look into Brand X. Jonathan has always been nice and answered my questions, but that was when they first started, so they may be swamped now and not have much time for all that.
Also finding the right serpentine belt is a nightmare, I've ran through a few so far and can't seem to find one that works well. I'm using a 475K6 with the tensioner maxed all the way, and I still see the belt flapping when I start the car. I think 470K6 is the answer, but I've burned through one of those too, still messing with it currently to this day.
@@GuitarHeroGage thanks so much friend, do you think stock Alt is enough to keep charging 4 x lithium Banks XS power 66160?
@@fidelperez5257 Definitely not, those are LTO cells, they need high voltage charging. At least 14.8V minimum, the stock voltage is 13.8V, id say you'd have to get a 250A @ 14.8V alternator minimum, but I'd ask an alternator place about that, you may need an even higher amp alt to keep up with LTO.
You got your 150, congrats! What kind of "damage" has it done to your car? I'm about to start installing my system in my 2003 Maxima. Looking forward to big bass but don't want to destroy the car either. I have a 15" Fi BTL NEO, SALT-8, 120Ah LTO, 280Ah LiFePo4, a 7cf T-line enclosure that I built which will be walled off from the trunk, port and cone forward, a 270 amp alternator, and a ton of other stuff. Active 3-way front stage with 10" mid woofers in fiberglass door enclosures, pillar 1" tweeters and 4" midrange drivers, a mini-ITX PC with a 15.6" screen all mounted on and under the dash, another 7" touch screen going into the factory double-din space, rear door component speakers, 6x9's on the rear deck in fiberglass enclosures, blah blah blah. Sorry for the long list! What damage have you experienced?
The major damage was my fuel pump which is right under the subs, but my passenger side window regulator broke, a lot of clips on panels around the car, and prob some other stuff ive yet to find.
@@GuitarHeroGage Yep, that's bass life. Thanks.
@@GuitarHeroGage can you wire that amp to quarter ohm and be ok I was thinking about getting one .5 version and wire it down to quarter
@@andrewg7344 Probably not, im sure some crazy mf has done it, but taramps are known for catching fire with low ohm loads, so i wouldn't recommend it.
@@GuitarHeroGage ok thank you i have a soundigital 8800 now but need something a little stronger for my dd 9900 18s
Does more port area help with being windy?
Id say so, but I'm also not a design expert. It seems bigger ports help though, but that also can mess with the tuning of the box which could restrict some air space for the subs. Would definitely make sure to check with a professional designer or the manufacturer if you planned on going outside the recommended specs by a ton.
@@GuitarHeroGage How much below tuning before you stop hearing the subs and they are just moving?
Im building a new box when it warms up, but tuned to 35 and dep on song 28 or 26 plays still but a lot lower output than 30 and up.
I was thinking of tuning to 28 or maybe lower. Not sure if thstas too extreme?
@@BARBELLS-AND-BUDS I think 28Hz is the lowest I've seen on a regular box. It did great in the low 20's, but sucked over 30Hz. Which may be your goal though, im not sure. Depends on how the subs are built, 28Hz leaves a lot of air space, so it could bottom out going that low.
@@GuitarHeroGage Im gonna run a single ZV5 15"
I dont like much over 35 honestly unless Im listening to like alternative music thats isnt rebassed with normal volume bass.
Bass over 40 up loud just gives me a headache and isnt enjoyable for the most part after like 30 seconds.
I doibt 1 15 in an 06 XB can be anyway near as window or loud as you got.
If I got a 145 at 30 after I build it Id be surprised. I have no more room to work with, and will likely be going slightly undersized for enclosure.
I could get full size if I did a passive radiator instead of port, but dont think it will be the same.
Did your subs sound good at or above 40 when tuned to 31?
I cant believe 2 12s in a trunk can reach 150 and at 30 even!! Its insane
smaller diameter port is more windy and deeper , but larger is higher db and higher pitch.....i do 18hz small diameter, and the total tune ends up around 25hz😳😳😳👏👏❤️ raver EDM music
next time just buy some metel plates from home depot and place them on the front and back and screw it in, even if the amp support brackets break you still have the metal ones in front an dbehind, i learned that the hard way lol
I tried to order a customlow box but he said he’s stepping away from ported boxes….? You would think that’s prolly 90% of his orders. If you want to get rid of any of it let me know. I wouldn’t mind some d2’s since I’m running d4’s.
Will do, not sure what my plans are with the box yet, it's got some spots i need to look into fixing.
@@GuitarHeroGage you gonna keep that limitless? I was looking into getting one. Between that and the cyber6k. Can’t really figure out the difference in them as far as performance. What’s your thoughts on the 45ah
@@0XxDOMESHOTxX0 I doubt it. I'd probably get the cyber 6k though, Im pretty sure they are the same, and the cyber6k is cheaper. I asked a guy at limitless a while back and he said they work a lot better with AGM's than the 45Ah. So I'm guessing they use some different type of lithium cells in them.
@@GuitarHeroGage I’ve emailed them asking the difference in them cause the 6k is only 19ah. The 45ah supports 8k where as the cyber12k is only 38ah and supports 10-12k. Makes no sense lol
@@0XxDOMESHOTxX0 Yea its probably just different lithium technology. 45AH of yinlong LTO is way different than 45Ah of of LiFePO4
What size isnthe box ? This looks waaay to small
3.97 cu ft net, yes it is too small. But I was also running x3 - x4 the rated power into them, smaller boxes are better for that.
My car had the 18’s in it on a 10K probably getting about 8k scored a 147.43 but my car flexed apart compared to this lol
OHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
How much hertz is the enclosure?
It was tuned to 31Hz
@@GuitarHeroGage thanks!
Ur amp set up kind of reminds me of the old PS2 lol
How was the 40hz on the subs
Not very good. They got decently loud, but nowhere near as loud as Sundowns other models.
@@GuitarHeroGage i have 2 hippo xlr they are SPL monsters and destroying my car. I need something musical that plays good 28-44. I also have a 12k would you recommend them?
@@mikessplboxes7497 Honestly these excel at 30Hz and below, so if you want below 30Hz output, then yes. Otherwise, I'd look into the U series or Zv if you're wanting a more musical sub that can play low as well, but I was only able to play modified music 24/7 and it was pretty annoying. This is also assuming you're running a regular ported box. I've heard bandpass boxes are able to get a lot more bandwidth out of these.
@@GuitarHeroGage only reason im getting a good deal. I then might tune a tad higher
I didn’t know you could run Agm battery with an lithium battery
The Limitless lithium blue batteries are fine according to Limitless, although LTO (limitless gorilla, titan8, and yinlong) will cause issues.
@@GuitarHeroGage ok cool I want to order me one
Does the amp clip alot ??
No it never did. I set my gain overlap to -3db, I had very few songs that go that high, most of the songs I had were -7.5db or -5db. Even the ones I had that go to -3db don't clip it. I had a Taramps meter on my dash with the clip light, and never saw it go off. I actually tested with a bass boosted song once just to make sure the light actually worked lol.
@@GuitarHeroGage how do you set a gain overlap
@@David-wg5ce When you tune your amp, you use a 40hz tone, depending on the music you listen to, you can use a quieter 40hz tone to tune with to make it louder. You have to be very careful on what you pick though, typically there's 0db (safest), -3db, -5db, -7.5db, -10db. If you listen to normal music (no bass boosted or modified) then -5 to -10 would be fine. If you listen to bass boosted or modified music, you need to go 0 to -7.5db DJ Russticals always uses -7.5db, but there are other DJ's that go way higher than that, so its a pretty big risk. I found -3 to be a good middle ground for modified music (except for youtube bass boosted music, that shit will clip regardless). It essentially it beings the clipping level down further so you can amplify it more, but if you dont inspect the music you're playing, you won't know if its clipping or not sometimes. EXO does a pretty good job in this video of explaining it as well: th-cam.com/video/fx2INydXxnQ/w-d-xo.html
@GuitarHeroGage oh ok yeah i do this when tuning butni use a -5db tone
@@David-wg5ce -5 is a good middle ground, but you never know with some of the songs out there. You can take them into Audacity, apply a low pass filter on the song and see where the bass line is peaking.
What is your score?
Never had it officially done at a show, but 148.6db @30hz following the legal score rules (fully sealed up, meter on the dash). The highest I ever got was a 150.6db @30hz with the driver side door open and the trunk open.
Legitimate 6k on am x12v2?
They aren't getting 6K RMS, i'd say they are probably getting 4k or so. You can run a 6K on 1, with rise you won't actually be getting 6K RMS out of it, unless you run it at .5 ohm or lower. But you still need to be careful, I've heard Sundown say not to put over 3K RMS into them.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You went old school with that seal!!!! I bet them subs stiff af!!!! And with 12k????? How do you even keep the windshield?!?! Damn I bet that bih knockin in person!
I kind of wish i would have broken the windshield, but I think i just had too much deadener... Probably a good thing.
@@GuitarHeroGage lol right.
Jealous, I wish my alternator wasn’t buried in the engine bay!
The subs aren't great at the higher bass, but they are very nice besides that downfall.
Yea, they fall off around 45Hz or so. But they are no joke in the 30's and below.
@@GuitarHeroGage can you hear and feel a big difference between the 8k to the 12k I have a soundigital 8800 but wanted to buy the 12k taramps or wondering ifbi should fo with something strong for my two 18 dd 9900
@@GuitarHeroGage or go with something stronger than the 12k for the 18s
@@andrewg7344 18's require a lot of power to move, it was a bit louder with 12k though, i was also able to get it at a lower ohm load.
You can make this so much louder im redoing my box I got 2 v.3s 12s I'm putting airoports in the front to take care of the port my trunk atm is completely full if the box so im trying to make space in my trunk and my subs hit so much harder so trust and believe I know what you mean but keep messing around w it you'll get it bro.
150db is impressive for just 2 12"
Sealed with pillows and blankets 😂🤣😂 the shit us bassheads do for a .001 of a db haha
😫😫😫😂😂😂 I just got a 150.6 for the first time yesterday. Up from 147.7 2 weeks ago.
@@jaysmith1549 hell yeah that's awesome! I'm currently at 142 but changing entire systems this week hoping for 150 too!!!
@@Galicia322 you’ll get there bro! It’s been a journey for me trying to get a 150 in a 4Runner with limited alternator options
YING YANG TWINS - GEORGIA DOME
What x series are you running
X12 V2 D2
I’m getting ready to run 2 of the xv3 12’s on a dc 12k
@@rodriguezrichardson1355 I havent seen anyone run the v3's yet, interested to see what they can do.
@@rodriguezrichardson1355 have fun blowing them or not using all your amps power
@@loganmilam4065 and you say that because? I have nsv3’s now but still want to know why you said that?
Get Recoil RCAs bro not that much and r all OFC wire
Bass is a mono signal; OFC wouldn't matter at all for low pre-amp voltage mono. The soldering, shielding, and end quality are the most important thing for a mono signal.
поставь сабы Deaf Bounce APOCALYPSE DB-4518 D1/D2 или AVATAR SVL-1847 D2 охренееш от баса 😁😁😁😁😁
Speak for yourself about Rockville bro. I've been using their products for years and new once have I got disappointed
Lol, me and the hundreds of other people I've seen shitting on them over the years, and them ruining their reputation by bashing other products when theirs don't hold up at all.
You and the 100 other people might have had that experience, but mines were totally different. Their products have been great to me these past years. Something might work for you but don't for someone else. That doesn't mean you have to speak bad about them because it hasn't for you. Goodluck.
@@GuitarHeroGage
Get an AGM battery bro
I had one up front lol, but even then why? that lithium battery is equal to like 3+ high yield AGM batteries
i think you better get a new big box with those subs for better sound bass
It wouldn't have made a difference in my car, because I could have only fit like an extra couple inches. Plus i'd end up getting less power out of them, because of more box rise.
Oooh.....well it's jus the upsndowns of havin a boomin system my bro....or unless Toyotas are makin theyr cars half-assed as of late. A fuel pump goin out bcuz of bass? That's a 1st one 4 me. Smh. 4 Ur next build, by an American wip.
I'd never buy an American car if I wanted it to last, only to go fast lol, Japanese for life in terms of longevity. But the fuel pump is directly below the subs, so I'm not really surprised something broke in that area.
It will scare you
I did when i first put it in, and it was no where near as windy or loud. It doesn't work for my car, every car is different.
U need a better box.!
Box was fine for these subs, had it professionally designed and reviewed by some of the best in the industry.
@@GuitarHeroGage smalllllll like u said
Point ur box to the back of ur car like 6"from ur trunk thank me later
Please gift me the subs and amplifier I'm from kenya and love deep bass
lmaoooooooo..
They are out of phase just saying
No they aren't, it's the camera doing that. A lot of bass videos with newer phones at least 1 looks out of phase. I did the 9V battery test once I hooked them up to verify they were in phase....