I Spent $7000 to Find the Best Suit for Men - (Hugo Boss, Suit Supply, Tom Ford)
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So I recently got my hands on a suit from Suit Supply and realized the three suits I owned were in drastically different price points, so I figured I would put all three head to head to see what the best men’s suit is and what the best value for money is.
Hugo Boss was our first contender for best men's suit with this blue suit coming in at $500. This was made with a fused construction. Suits are typically given structure to give your body a flattering shape and at this price point that’s done through a process called fusing. Majority of the suits you see in department stores will be fused since they’re not only easier to produce at scale but much cheaper. A fused suit will have a cardboard, boxy like feel that doesn’t drape your body naturally since the fusing is pretty rigid. The 100% wool and the fact I had it tailored made it look presentable and wearable, the feel of the wool or the final fit wasn’t anything to write home about regarding Hugo Boss.
Suit Supply was our mid tier option to find the best men’s suit. It starts at around $500 but this one was highly specced up to $1500 and was made-to-measure. All of Suit Supply's suits are unlined, half-canvased, or fully canvased. There is no fusing to be seen in the store. Mine was specced to be fully canvased as I was trying to replicate my Tom Ford. I got to select every little detail on the suit which was fun customizing. It featured the same finishes as Tom Ford with the milanese buttonhole, rolling lapel, the lack of felt under the collar, the barchetta pocket, and the functional button holes. The right accessories can make even the cheapest suit look expensive which is why I decided to wear this one with my Beckett Simonon shoes. Beckett Simonon makes dress shoes starting at $220 and keeps the quality super high. They use Blake stitching and use full grain italian leather. The shoes are handcrafted in Columbia. Suit Supply proved to be a great middle ground due to their diverse offerings, great service, and relative affordability.
Tom Ford is one of the world’s best suiting brands but do they actually make the best men’s suit? The customer service was incredible at Tom Ford and they really did a good job at making you feel special. The suits start at $3880 but can go up many multiples depending on fabric, made-to-measure, an addition of a waistcoat, etc. I don’t find the need to splurge as the entry level fabrics are exceptional as is. I was offered four fittings to get this tailored to perfection. The fabric is all made from Zegna Couture which is one of the best brands in the world. The fit is where Tom Ford stands out from others. The suit drapes on your body so well causing anyone to look good in it.
The end of the video has my conclusions and winner for best men's suit.
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Suit 1 0:52
Suit 2 2:26
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Suit 3 13:08
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The suit supply woman was amazing
She’s so great to work with!
Which suit supply location did you go to ?
@@ralphfit6073That’s the Houston, TX location. The stylist is Aivy, she is amazing. I’ve worked with her on over 8 suits and Aivy never disappoints.
I would prefer to deal with an actual tailor. Ideally an older man with a tape measure hung around his neck and a wristband pin cushion. This woman probably knows nothing about tailoring.
@@waltersickinger1499 she literally has the tape measure around her neck, a pin cushion on her wrist, and is pinning the suit for him.
The way suit supply went about putting a whole suit together was just awesome. Very detailed and knowledgeable, definitely a place i will visit to buy my next suit
Definitely a great one stop shop!
Hi, I liked your video very much. A few constructive comments if I may. The Tom Ford suit is made in Switzerland in the Zegna factory. Its all Zegna with Tom Ford design. I like his suits and the construction although as you mentioned every celeb is wearing the same model. 2 button SB peak with tix pocket. I think yours could have a slightly better fit. The Suitsupply suit had great fabric, one of my favorite mills Fratelli Tallia di Delfino. They are one of the top Italian mills that is not as well known as some others like Loro Piana, Zegna, Reda or Vitale Barberis Cononico or even Drago. Scabal is in a different realm. The suit however, made in the PRC, is not worth $1500, just like Hugo from Boss was not worth the $500. Suitsupply for $500-$700 I can see, but not their custom. They make huge profit on that, probably cost them about $300-$450 with the vest (Im not a fan of DB vests). The salesperson was great, If I were still on Madison and Fifth Ave, in my shops I would hire her in a minute. Hugo Boss has gone way down over the years, even the main line. Poor quality and high price. I was the largest retailer of Boss in NYC during the 1990s when it was made in Germany and Switzerland. I think you missed an important segment before going up to the $3800 price of Tom Ford and that is Canali. You did mention it. Canali has the most consistent and universal fit of any garment in the market. They are only made in Italy and only use Italian products. Its a family owned business since its inception and they run a tight ship. For a mostly hand made garment, it is the best priced and best fitting product out there. I was the first importer of Canali to the USA, before it was called Canali. Brioni is out there as well, but it has a certain look, very strong shoulder, slightly older customer. Brioni was always the standard for Italian hand made suits. I could go on but don't want to take up too much space in your comments, reach out if you like I have worked with all these brands and more and been to their factories. Take care and looking forward to watching more of your luxury lifestyle.
Super throughout comment and appreciate all your feedback. Agreed with you on majority of these points. My dad is a die hard Canali guy and can wear them off the rack with literally zero alterations. Would love to dip my feet into that brand eventually. You seem super knowledgeable about all this. Would love to hear more about your background if you ever have a minute!
Agreed. Canali is a great quality product for the price. I would never recommend Huge Boss or Suit Supply to anyone, or even Tom Ford. Maybe this video could be remade with the best brands in each price category.
I would love to hear your thoughts on Pini Parma and Cavour.
@@Vasil_Hristov Cavour seems to be a private label shop in Oslo Norway. I was in Norway last summer but in the north in Tromso. They sell other Italian brands as well as their own. I dont know who makes it for them. It looks very well made & should be for the prices they are asking. Pini Parma has stores in Europe. They have nice fashion & fabrics all Italian. It’s well priced because it’s probably manufactured in the south near Bari or somewhere there. Clothing is cheaper. It’s not made like Brioni or Attolini or even Canali. Hope that helps.
I really enjoyed your comment. Are there any YT channels or other sources that you can recommend to get more knowledge on suits? Thanks.
With the price of a TF suit you can buy a fully bespoke suit in London, which makes TF a complete waste of money, even if it fits well.
EXACTLY, MATE!
The TF suit doesn't even fit well.
Huge collar gap, outrageous divots in the sleevehead, wrinkly sleeves (too small), wonky shoulder construction, comically huge lapels in comparison to his small frame, I could go on.
In short, I would be so pissed. Every salesperson he talked to was so eager to add "bespoke" details without nailing the fit first, taking advantage of a young inexperienced customer with senseless customisation. The guy evidently has a good amount of disposable income, he can afford a tailor who will be able to educate him on the basics of a good fit first.
@francescabrega7864 it was an immature and unwise decision to spend such amount on a garment of any kind.
And from what I saw, it absolutely did NOT fit like a $3k+ suit with how easily it created collar gaps and the constant need to readjust the jacket.
@@francescabrega7864THANK YOU. Even if you can't spot those details, you'll notice something's off just by how often he kept readjusting the jacket. That need to constantly do that, does not happen with a jacket that fits well.
Tom Ford makes exceptional suits. Ermenegildo Zegna provides their ateliers or tailors that construct each suit by hand. Full canvas construction with all the handwork that commends a bench made suit. The most common fits being Windsor, Shelton and O'Connor (Tom Ford wears the Windsor himself). In my view, the Windsor fit is the most classic and elegant which features a fuller chest, roped shoulder and wide peak lapel. This is inspired by English Style tailoring from the houses on Savile Row. As well, the trousers are full and cover the dress shoe/boot. This is traditionally how suits were made in the 20s,30s and 40s (super comfortable with lots of mobility). If you can afford a TF suit/jacket, it is quite the treat if you appreciate suiting and durable like a suit should be. I have owned Suit Supply and I find the trousers and jackets do not have the same construction quality and wear pretty easily. As well, their template/cut of suits are very trim and it can be hard to find a suit that is comfortable if you aren't a model size. Generally, sleeve length and trouser length will be short off the rack. Appreciate the video, and enjoy the suits!
Appreciate the write up and overview! Well thought out!
Excellent comment and couldn’t agree more
As someone who's been wearing TF suits since 2009 I can't sum it up better than you do.. bravo!
Almost everyone wears their sleeves too long so I disagree that off the rack is short. Most men wear off the rack and most men have too much sleeve. You rarely see a proper 1/4 to 1/2” cuff showing.
@@f.kieranfinney457 depends on the suit brands. Some brands like Tom Ford comes with unfinished cuff (no buttons and button holes are sewn on), this allows the cuff to be adjusted easily (is free with TF) Vs shortening the sleeves via the shoulder crown which cost a lot more with a lot more work.
Great video! Nothing better than exploring and appreciating a somewhat lost art of tailoring. Suits will always be the best piece of apparel a man/woman can get.
Agreed with you there!
Thanks Asim! I really enjoyed your video.
Thank God for your channel. Your polo, t-shirt, hoodie videos were tremendously helpful.
Glad you liked them bro!
Excellent video. The best video of this kind/on this topic. Exactly what I was looking for!
Thanks for watching!
Always appreciate the high quality content!
Appreciate you watching!
These videos are always so helpful!
Glad to help Eric!
Loved Suit Supply explanation..
Honestly, not crazy about the Tom Ford. Shoulder divots, collar gap. I think I’d expect a suit at that price to drape better too. Way more bang for your buck with Suit Supply.
Just discovered your channel and man... you really know how to pair your watches with your outfits! 🙌
I appreciate that!
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As someone who's been extremely lucky enough to have been wearing Tom Ford suit since 2009 and also own suit supply (RTW) Tom Ford suits has very different cut to Suit supply. I own multiple cuts from both brands but what set Tom Ford apart is the amount of canvasing and shaping it has underneath the jacket which help "shape" the jacket. even half canvas you can feel the difference between the two. Another observations which I don't think the vid had mentioned is arm holes, TF has very high arm holes where it helps further accentuate the hour class "or nip in the waist" (as TF calls it) and it further hugs your body more. The trousers are high waisted but with a curved side pocket which sits flatter on your legs when warn, is a detail not many people notice or companies do.
Most TF suits cost similar or more than having a suit fully custom made from a top tailor. The only negative is time to manufacture. It’s not smart IMO to buy a suit that expensive from any fashion brand. You’ll always over pay, except at 50%. (I used to work for RL Canada).
Imagine paying $8k for a suit and stepping into a Manhattan elevator to see the identical suit heading to the same floor. Brutal.
Suit Supply only fits a very athletic body. They’re not easy to tailor post sale but their custom fit system does a good job for the price. Fabrics are…fine. Spier McKay is a decent alternative for a more traditional suit.
@@f.kieranfinney457 I agree.. Hence why I don't buy brand new TF or buy them during sales only. 2nd hand is like 20-30% of retail. I have looked at all most tailors at Savile Row + London , the only tailor I like Michael Browne. A lot of the tailors are pretty boring and is not even classic boring. I have been toying going to Naples as I believe English tailorkng are just too structure. I wouldn't touch RL unless is Purple label, but his cut and cloth IMHO are just not as fitted and draped like TF. Windsor (Base A) for me is what I prefer to wear with TF as other cuts can be a bit too narrow as I work out a bit.
TBH, I never ever had anyone that worn the same TF suit as me, except TF staff where they wear as uniform, which I Iove. Maybe I am in the wrong part of the country/area, but I work and live in London but not in banking.
great job I've got a new found respect for suit supply especially because of the service you got and showed you might want to hit them up for sponsorship as I doubt that I'm the only viewer that's less apprehensive about giving them a try for my next suit and everything I've currently got is fully tailor made 🙏🏽👍🏽
Haha let’s see what happens. Wouldn’t be opposed to working with them!
The dimple impression in the shoulder on the Tom Ford suit is a classic problem with off the rack suits. At that price point I’d go fully bespoke.
You can get fully bespoke suits in Italy for under $2,000 so if that's a possibility for you then there's no competition.
@@ABC-rh7zcAgreed!
Plus the collar gap. Kind of shocked at the poor quality of that suit tbh.
Aivy is an amazing style consultant. She fitted me for my first linen/wool/silk blended suit and it fits me perfectly. She has also fitted my wife for three pairs of trousers that look great on her. A consummate professional with a wealth of knowledge on selecting features for a suit. I look forward to working with her again. Gorgeous suit from SS Asim. Congratulations.
Great info. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome video as always! Would be interesting to see a general comparison between some of the top luxury clothing brands like Brunello Cucinelli, Brioni, Zegna and Giorgio Armani. Pretty similar in price and fabric quality (or so I've heard). Would also love to see a video on dress shirts, loafers, oxfords, coats, belts at different price points. Greetings from Norway :)
Glad you liked it. I’d definitely like to do this eventually but I’m sure it’d easily turn into a super expensive video.
I plan on doing one for every men’s basic eventually so thanks for the recommendations!
i can already tell you: armani is shit compared to other luxury brands... in case of suiting most of the most renowned luxury brands aren't even good at suiting... you'll get better fit, cut and sometimes fabrics from Boggi Milano than Armani. And Boggi is a tick more pricey than suitsupply
You need a navy blue pin stripe and for higher fashion with chalk board lines super fine 150s
This was such a lovely watch!
Thanks!!
What an awesome video!!
Thanks for watching!
WELL DONE!!! SUITS LOOK GREAT.
Thanks!
Great video about suits, in the end it’s how you feel wearing your clothes, whether designer or off the rack. BUT
Remember Rich people buy Assets, Poor people buy Things.
I got my suit tailor in Melbourne AUS, it’s an old Italian tailor hand stitch everything with another Italian tailor in his 70s 3 pieces was like 4000 USD excl fabric. I brought Scabal lapis lazuli fabric myself
Bad ass suit. Thanks for the video. Have a good one brother.
Thanks for watching man!
Definitely going to suit supply
I recommend you to examine the Novo Suit brand.
great video!!
Thanks for watching!
13:17 This video is very helpful, it helped me understand more things. Thank you for sharing for everyone to know
I actually prefer the look of the suit supply suit, but they’re both nice.
i plan on travelling 6 hours to a city to get a suit from suitsupply. i live in an area where the only place i can get a suit is from a big box store and i wouldn't trust the salesmen there in a million years. i really do appreciate this guide.
god bless and stay safe
Thanks! Good luck!
Tom Ford is amazing. I have been to the stores in LA and Vegas, and they treat you like a king. I know they are very expensive, but honestly you look like a boss in that grey Windsor. If you can manage it financially, I say splurge and go for it.
Thanks Massimo!
There's a brand based in Paris that I buy suits from that is cut better than that Tom Ford suit for less than $300. My fear is they're gonna become so popular that their prices are going to skyrocket so I've started buying them in bulk.
Sounds delusional
a suit, a paris and a $300 is amazing in one sentence
Will you be making a video on the bamboo shirts from Days of September? There amazing! Mine came in and I wore it to work today. Better than ESNLS bamboo so far.
Stoked you love them! Thanks for the support. Maybe in the future
@@asim No problem! I'm wearing ESNTLS today and came to the conclusion that the Days of September bamboo shirts are better!
Enjoy the suits, my man!
Thanks for watching brotha!
You can get a boss suit for half the price on outlets, even their premium lines that they sell in store (made in italy ones) if you wait 1 yr you can get it for much cheaper
What do you think about TF shirt? I consider to purchase a suit from them but not sure if shirt is worth
deserves more subs forsure
Thanks for watching!
You a real one ☝️ 👊
No doubt in my mind suit supply is the best suit for the price point in the world 🌎 and couple that with trained sales advisors, beautiful store interiors , diverse rtw and made to measure products, fresh hip styling light years ahead of older brands, best fabric mills, vast selection of fabrics , most options in sartorial details
The reason why the Tom Ford is "better" is indeed because the time they have and give you in fittings. Suit Supply has delivery fit and they can alter some there and then. But they need to nail te measurements right away otherwise they can't really keep up. Tom Ford or a custom suit maker like there are all over the world in Italy, UK. They have that special thing. If you can you should try Huntsman or Henry Poole or one of the others in that street. The whole experience is just wow and tops it for me. And yes they are expensive as well.
Next trip to Europe I want to hit up Saville Row just to poke around. I know it's a completely different ball game out there.
@@asim Have fun! its a great place to be.
Ivy is so cool!
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now you need to up your sock game!! mes schausette rouges, i can recommend in particular. ;)
You should spend a little money and get a suit supply suit if you wear suits a lot.
Those off the rack suits from the big stores are great for people who don’t wear suits much at all, so long as you know what to look for in a suit you can find something good.
After $1,000 you should only be getting Bespoke suits.
Liked and subscribed! Thanks!
Appreciate you!
The algorithm of the universe is at work. Somehow we go messaging about watches on Facebook to being suggested your suit video on TH-cam.
Super small world brother!
Brother Arrow,Louis Philippe aur Peter England se kya yeh achha hai ???
Honestly this was a brilliant sales pitch for Tom Ford. Guess I know where I'm buying my next suit from. Cheers
You are paying for the brand unfortunately
The Tom Ford suit appears to awkwardly crease and bunch around your upper arm in various poses. Is that noticeable as you wear it and just a function of the cut?
I definitely think I rushed putting the coat on filming this and didn’t adjust the sleeves well which caused the wrinkles. Oversight on my end for sure. It does have very structured shoulders.
@@asim That shouldn't matter. I don't know how you can really rush putting on a coat. It should just fit when you put it on.
My guy, what jacket were u wearing in suit supply.
I thought you were gonna do a suit giveaway at the end lol. I wouldn't be complaining with a new tom ford suit in my wardrobe lol
Haha maybe when we hit 100k!
Excellent vid young man. (I’m 63). Just moved to a group that wears suits. I’ll miss being in casual work attire for the pas 25 years but when I wear a suit it should be the best quality one can afford. Thanks in return a new subscriber and a like.
Good job 👍
Appreciate you watching!
The biggest problem I have with Tom Ford is it doesn't work with very sloped shoulders. Because the suit tries to force you into the triangle shape it can really dig into your armpits.
Do chinos next!
On the list for sure!
What suit is Blake at Suit Supply wearing?! That thing is amazing!!!!
Pal Zireli ,Kiton , Canali ,Hugo Boss sells the most suits in Europe ,thanks❤️🏴👍
Aivy was amazing! So knowledgable and easy to work with. Suit Supply ftw.
Couldn't agree more, always a pleasure to work with
To find the finest suit, I would go immediately to John Cutler in Sydney, Australia.
It is one of my dreams to own a Tom Ford suit. Love the brand. One question that I have is why shouldn't someone make a bespoke Tom Ford styled suit with Loro Piana's fabric? Would it be better? More expensive? Would one be better vs the other or similar?
I’d be willing to bet it’d cost around the same. The brand definitely makes you pay a premium for the name but there are subtle things that make a TF suit a TF suit that’s hard to replicate. I tried recently with my wedding tux but it fell short in more ways than one
Unless you are a CEO or going to a Wedding, large peak lapels are too over the top. Double vents also look awful, unless you are in very good shape, but even than, if wind blows, it looks bad like a flying carpet. Calvin Klein at Macy's is probably best you can get for the money. Modern styles that are not too loud and sleeves already usually short enough, not requiring alternations.
Saville Row at that price. Brioni custom otherwise. Pierce Brosnan wore brioni as Bond
Maybe it's the color, but the blue Hugo suit looks best on you. The wide peak lapels of the Ford have a widening, stumpy effect.
The tom ford fit is just on the next level..
Agreed! Sits so nicely on the body
Suits are amazing..but u have change the colour of the ties.. very eye catching
I think I will stick to my bangkok tailor :) for occasions and uniqlo jacket for daily.
Heard you can find bespoke for super cheap there
Reference the Sales woman, LOVE Salespeople who are passionate and knowledgeable about the brand and have great opinions like her!
She’s knows hers stuff!
How do you store the Tom ford suit to make sure it lasts a long time? Are you concerned of people spilling drinks on it at a club?
dude.. you don't wear a TF suit in a club... and if you do, you have reserved tables and are blocked off by the regular clubbers..
Hello, my friend, very good video. Nice to watch. But honestly for the kind of money you spent on the Tom Ford suit. I will highly advise you to check your collar again. It's a big gap around your neck area. And that should NEVER happen for this value and I'm quite surprised They didn't catch that.
Nice channel for sure
Thanks for the tip. Going to get it looked at to see if they can improve it.
Custom tailored suits are the ones you have to go for. Because they are made for your size and body shape and will suit you the most. Everything else will never be a 100% fit Doesn’t matter if Tom Ford or not and just for the records if you want to have proper suits have a look at Kiton or Brioni my friend or even Suits from the savile row those guys made suits longer than even Tom Ford exists
Please check out canali, caruso and lardini for italian/ nepolitan style suits that are fully canvased , 100% handmade suits that are half the price of tom ford.
Definitely a lot of options out there but just making a video of some popular brands people are familiar with.
Oh dear the 1500 custom suit wasa little roger moore circa 1980
That’s not a bad thing, actually. 😉
There is a slight collar gap on the Tom Ford suit.
She's amazing
Nice video, but I think you might be missing much of the mid-range. There are dozens of excellent brands (primarily italian) that offer fantastic value in the $1 to $2.5k territory. If you are looking for something trendy, then by all means stick to the cheaper brands. As a rule, id stay away from designer labels (Prada, Tom Ford, DG, etc). They are marked-up tremendously and often come in styles that will go out of fashion in a few years. If you are going to spend >$2.5k on a suit, make sure its a renowned brand that specializes in suits e.g. Kiton, Oxxford, Attolini. Celebrities buy brands like Tom Ford, because they want to be assured of being on-trend. Such suits often make the rest of us look like we are "trying" too hard, while a great non-trendy well-fitting suit looks effortlessly cool.
Great video!! ❤
Thanks for watching!
Good
Thanks for watching!
Got my first custom suit for ₹9000 (~110$)
And folks here are dissing a 500$ one
(Twice the average monthly income here)
And we all live on same earth 🌚
Slight collar gap on the Tom Ford, but the back does look nice and smooth (except for the vents). I would also leave more room in the jacket waist, might be more comfortable.
Love the undefined look of the salesperson. Touches of both genders, but very well put together. Masculine clothes and hairdo, but worn feminine and female accessories. Confident personality. If the video did not state she's female, would have left it in the middle.
Why would you go through the time it takes for a bespoke suit . The price etc of the rack as long as the shoulder is right all the alterations can be done in a week . If you live in Perth Australia do your self a favour visit Marchesi Menswear Northbridge
because a bespoke suit is still in a completley different class?! also they adjust WAY more than "all the alterations"! some alterations can't be even made... also if you go bespoke and you gain more weight, the tailors have always kept that in mind and can adjust it because of the additional fabric pressed inside the suit. try bespoke and you'll see what i mean.
Suit Supply sales associate was awesome!
She knows her stuff
Bro that belt on 00:32 is amazing. What is that?
It’s from Ferragamo from about 5-6 years ago!
14:40 did you seriously fold your trousers from the bottom?
great video, but the Tim ford tie is pricy? you just spent $4000 on a suit. and from the look of the tie it HERMES which cost more the a TOM FORD tie.
The Tailor at suit supply makes me want to buy a suit from suit supply
My favorite was the Suit Supply suit. The shoulder pads on the Tom Ford looked too firm. The vents on the back looked like an apron for your butt. The zig zag lines from the lapel and pockets looked too busy and not symmetrical.. To me the better value and better fit and tailoring makes Suit Supply the winner. Mostly personal preference. You look great in all of them.
I actually don't like the shoulders on the Top Ford suit. Padding looks a little big. Suit Supply looked great.
She's way nicer than the suitsupply guys in Paris
I guess you never heard of Brioni, Loro Piana, Brunello Cucinelli...
Have to draw the line somewhere
That sales girl at Suit Supply made a few incorrect statements. If she is one of the better salespeople there then that doesn't bode well. The Tom Ford suit was a massive disappointment for me. I wouldn't have accepted that fit and those deformed vents. (I suspect that it is comfortable for you due to the quality of the fabric, the lining and the full canvas construction, but in spite of the poor fit.) I have literally bought a vintage hand-made Italian suit for $50 and had it altered to fit perfectly for another $50 and I would prefer to wear that over the Tom Ford suit in this video any day. Sorry, I was hoping for more from these companies but the video was interesting all the same.
cool video, you spent over 10 minutes on the suit supply portion only to show the upper half of the finished product for less than 5 seconds, would appreciate a better look in future videos!
Fair criticism, will def take into account for future vids!
Why not Attolini, Kiton, or Isaia?
Had to cut it off somewhere and budget for those would have made this a mid five figure video haha
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My favorite suits are off the rack than I take em to tailor to get the best fit, saves a fortune
Yeah as long as they’re constructed well, any
tailor can work their magic on a good one!
Tom Ford, so essentially you ask to an Italian mill later converted to tailor (Soft shoulder, natural waist) as Zegna to make an off the rake/made to measure suit following an English fit (Strong shoulder, sharp waist suppression) at the double price of standard Ermenegildo Zegna suit, which sells around 2-3K (just to pay the allegedly design of Tom Ford). I could understand to go pret à porter for the gimmick of fancy fabric as vicuna blend or similar but it is not the case. If you like that standard English look, why don't you go directly to Saville Row to have a proper bespoke English suit for roughly the same cost? At least for sure you won't have that collar gap at 18:00. Do we really need to discuss the difference between a bespoke and off the rack suit? I understand it is a pain to go there for 3 seats but with trunk show they travel around. Anyway, plenty of Neapolitan and Milanese tailor do bespoke less than 5K.
Honestly, I thought your old suit looked just fine. Skinny and wide lapels come into and go out of style over time, so get whatever you like.
One thing I’ve always hated about suit or trouser buying is that you’re married to the shoes you try on with the pants
wrong... like super wrong..