SACK SOUTHGATE NOW, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

SPAIN VS ENGLAND 2-1 SACK SOUTHGATE NOW, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

[@melvinkachere8782]

Wearing a life jacket in the shower is crazy🤣

[@bar-sabas4801]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TurkoFrmDa5th]

Man robbed that from someone in the comments from a DR sports video 😂😂😂

[@seyba6297]

@@TurkoFrmDa5thnah that term is so old, chances are they both thought of that when watching Southgate ball.

[@darthraider450]

This England team is like a bunch of Formula One cars stuck behind the Safety Car

[@YounesTalksFootball]

I think that's the best analogy to describe England that I've heard. Spot on!

[@lesliegrace8360]

The team flies the first aid cross for a reason 😅

[@JOEJOETOTTENHAM]

Respect...

[@kylefrancis2141]

Nailed it

[@bisonkambaine5628]

You have a beautiful mind my friend. Nailed it 😂

[@danilohm]

“It wasn’t a spliff it was a Spanish omelette” and “Spain had more possession than Escobar” 💀

[@njuenjagi4983]

this guy gat bars for days

[@insomnia4139]

Crazy

[@brentondinham765]

This is the bar of the season Escobar

[@dappadixful]

Harry Kane playing injured is the most selfish aspect of his character. There is no I in team! Lest we forget the Champions League Final 2019!

[@neil1killick]

Yes, but Southgate should have seen with his own eyes that Kane was stinking the place out and dropped him.

[@lesliegrace8360]

You just got Kaned 😁

[@xperialmemphis6039]

If he was injured then why tf is playing? Southgate plays him mate it's his fault

[@enemy_of_progress]

He can't exactly drop himself or sub himself out...blame the manager that selects lineup based on player's names and not their playing ability

[@gamingcorrin]

Kane unfortunately repeated the CL final… Southgate should’ve made the call but Kane could’ve also talked to Southgate about it

[@Fresh0710]

Ex lost his voice shouting at Southgate😂

[@1DjJmoney]

I thought I had it hard supporting Arsenal & England… imagine spurs haha I watched that shit yday at the pub. Knew to keep my expectations tempered til ET …only if we got that far ffs SOUTHGATE OUT this loosing behaviour isn’t good mentality for the latest crop of England players to play to FFS SG OUT

[@abdulwahab_AHMED]

Southgate can’t set up a PlayStation 😂😅😅

[@Smart1529]

He is the same guy who puts the milk, then the bowl and then the cereal

[@thornbird6768]

The only thing he hasn't been afraid to do is choose young talented players , which we sorely needed! Apart from that he's weak !

[@Kenosis87]

Southgate is the type of guy to stop his car at a red light while playing GTA 5.

[@cassisbrook]

😂

[@drjamjam3188]

This comment is underrated 😂😂

[@5thdawg917]

😂

[@stickyweasel8837]

Brilliant...

[@CDub91]

LOOL

[@HoangNguyen-jh9jr]

Huge respect my man. I never expected Ex would protect Saka!

[@lesliegrace8360]

EX playing a "false 9"

[@streetsiswatching9660]

Mind games

[@emmanuelrobert208]

@@streetsiswatching9660 Listen to what he's saying. Its the racist abuse directed at the player.

[@libby4608]

@@streetsiswatching9660don’t be daft. Humanity comes before football. Pay attention

[@khanparwaez8929]

Fraudgate, Ex is too funny.

[@mattcrook7467]

Foden should be called 007! 0 goals, 0 assists 7 games

[@Nr4747]

He certainly wasn't good, but he was also played wildly out of position by the second worst manager of the tournament.

[@jimmyjamescomputers8585]

Foden is bigger than that team

[@yunopepper76]

@@Nr4747great players adapt.
Saka played amazing at LB
Palmer played amazing off the bench
Mainoo amazing
Trent played ok in midfield it just had flaws
Foden was god awful he is fortunate Eze didn’t get a start over him because he would’ve been dropped

[@blackkid128]

@@jimmyjamescomputers8585Foden bigger than back foot. That mentality is why he started every game doing nothing and England won nothing.

[@streetsiswatching9660]

​@@jimmyjamescomputers8585 he'll be relegated with team 115 soon

[@nathnaeltesfa5263]

Ben white smoking his cigar chilling at home 😂

[@ChaseOakley-rw2lx]

*Benjamin

[@Deadmansworld14]

While fake tanning

[@matthewsalmon431]

😂😂😂😂

[@matthewsalmon431]

​@@Deadmansworld14😂😂

[@kenmetu1273]

I believe he's chilling with Arteta in Spain

[@enemy_of_progress]

"The man couldn't set up a PlayStation" 😂 in fucking losing it😂😂

[@matthewsalmon431]

😂😂😂😂

[@kimeriajames9851]

"Spain had more Posessions than Pablo Escobar"🔥🤠

[@sessoinnocent2114]

Very well

[@malvadofendetestas7387]

😂😅😂😅 Regards mate 🇪🇸💪❤️💛❤️

[@kimeriajames9851]

@@malvadofendetestas7387 Escalofriente 🔥😆

[@aidenkhademi2552]

@@malvadofendetestas7387This English team was disgraceful. We’ll win the World Cup though.

[@malvadofendetestas7387]

@@aidenkhademi2552 Let see if coming home finally😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣🇪🇸💪❤️💛❤️

[@mubzytv]

Southgate puts his phone on Airplane mode while skydiving 😂😂😂

[@AlexanderG-mi7ip]

'He is not their manager, he is their friend' - now that's a good point you have there, I like it...

[@VusitakethepicMak]

This is why i will always respect Ex more than Rants. He is openly biased but also will tell the truth when he has to.

[@juhosten3463]

I can't even hate someone who is biased if they're honest about their biases and don't claim to be neutral

[@jamesnicks5367]

Mad respect for how you discussed, defended and respected Saka despite your club alliegances 🤝🏻

[@Piqueblinders11]

Arabs and Asian commenting monkey emojis….. yet no one saying anything about it

[@NKMoloi]

More possession than Pablo is crazy🤣🤣

[@wandiletshabalala8167]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Cheetah_Chrome]

Man is holding 😂

[@matthewsalmon431]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@thabanakabo4370]

After equalizing the team set back and Spain kept on piling up pressure on Pickford..shameful

[@Nr4747]

That's what Southgate always does (and no, him lying about it in a presser and claiming "it's not the official tactic" is BS): Against any (supposed) "weaker" teams: Get ahead by 1 goal and then park the bus, against any (supposed) "stronger" teams: Park the bus as long as the game is equal and try to hold out for pens.

[@al81yoo]

Or maybe Spain were a lot better and established control again, forcing England back.
Fuck all to do with Southgate, when will you learn!

[@larkvanderpooli7794]

Mainoo coming off, that's why I know Southgate has no clue

[@blankon8946]

Foden really pull the 007 perfomance, oh my days 😂😂😂

[@Demetriiuz]

Ex standing on business for Saka. We've come full circle

[@Piqueblinders11]

Ex you talk about Saka but don’t talk about the fact it’s bare Arabs and Asians commenting monkey emojis…. Barely any English people doing that… yet white English people getting scapegoated

[@Piqueblinders11]

Arabs and Asian commenting monkey emojis….. yet no one saying anything about it

[@sgsjosh2000]

"Harry kane getting more stick than Gandalf" 😂😂

[@human_error1]

Kane 💀 Foden 💀 we can't have that many players in a team just being passengers in a Final

[@pbsuite]

NGL , foden is useless in this team

[@Sound6838]

Fodens overrated imo

[@United_Wings]

Jude is môre overrated

[@user-tl8mf3yv8g]

You've forgotten to add ghost Bellingham

[@moonface978]

Pickford was our best player, but if you are always going to pass back to the keeper and basically use him as an outfield player use a keeper that is capable of distributing the ball well

[@justayankhouston741]

been saying that for so long myself. all those rainbow long balls lost

[@barrybenton8734]

Pickford, A good shot blocker but all his kicks went either out of play or straight to the opposition

[@user-om4fo3vg3u]

Pickford needs the Pep treatment, consistantly kicking the ball long is not the way, the Spanish keeper is crap at kicking it long to a player up front but he manages to find his midfielders.

[@Deadmansworld14]

Ramsdale may as well have played

[@eff943]

Thought Guehi was our best player tbh, only player who's been at least 7/10 every game, v nearly got us back in the final with the header off the line that would've just capped off his whole tournament...i don't want to see Maguire starting over him at WC 26, Guehi is clear

[@thatstory1092]

Well said. Kane and Foden done nada. The kid who plays for Man Utd, Mainoo done well over the whole competition. Football won and it aint coming home.

[@Arejen03]

replace Kane with Toney, Foden with Palmer, Walker with TAA and it might have been a win

[@matthewsalmon431]

🧢... Mainoo was not good last night

[@This_Is_Something]

​@@matthewsalmon431 Name one player other than pick ford that performed in the final?
Mainoo had a good overall tournament and that's the point that was made. Watch football.

[@ish.iztril01]

😂 how does this guy keep coming up with these comparisons

[@Matty-kelly]

Because he didn't, they have all been commented all over the Internet

[@bison7664]

I have no idea
Genius innit

[@GuidodeKortOfficial]

How did anyone ever think a man with ‘South’ in his name wouldn’t eventually have things go south.

[@Obeesepandah]

Aint no way Mainoo is getting any FLACK whatsoever

[@-_-DatDude]

I know Palmer scored but as soon as Mainoo went off, any control we had disappeared into the ether imo.
Wish he choosed Ghana atleast he'd be celebrated instead of being tolerated. English fans don't deserve Kobbie.

[@libby4608]

@@-_-DatDudelmao what control did England have in this game at any point?

[@-_-DatDude]

@@libby4608 In spurts. But yeah... Not much tbh. But not much is better than nothing at all. Right? Was yesterday Kobbie's finest moment? Absolutely not but Kobbie was probably in our top 4 best players of this Euros overall alongside Saka, Pickford and Guehi for me.
So it makes no sense to scapegoat Kobbie when several senior players and Southgate have let us down infinitely more tbh.

[@libby4608]

@@-_-DatDude oh i completely agree with you about the scapegoating, he shouldn’t be in the list at all. I don’t even think anyone who’s in their debut tournament should be in the list tbh

[@JordanSmith-yf4mf]

@@libby4608

[@aa3659]

Lool man said Southgate wears a life jacket in the shower 😂😂

[@funkytiger6967]

You got outcoached by both Slovakia and Switzerland, you just had the better players to bail you out. Spain outcoached England but they also happen to have players just as good as England lol, that's all there is.

[@klawlor3659]

You could tell England were going to lose before they even put a foot on the pitch. Look at their demeanour in the tunnel and compare it to the Spanish players. The Spanish were focussed, calm and looking solid. The English team looked like a rabbit staring into car headlights: scared, nervous etc.

[@BeFree-yi1hb]

I saw and said the SAME thing. You could tell the occassion was too big for them. Mainly the city players too. I saw NO ONE smiling or grinning like they wanted to be there or they were enjoying the opportunety to make a nation of ppl proud. They looked focused but more like not wanted to be the one to put the foot wrong.
PRESSURE was just too much for them, from the "keep it tight lads tactics"

[@danditheyesman848]

well put

[@KornKrlz2]

Foden and Kane were underwhelming most of the tournament. People act like Southgate’s subs were genius when they scored when in reality those players should’ve been starting much earlier in the competition

[@jonahsevume3949]

Exactly. Pundits are deluded. Those subs were out of desperation when his system fails to work. He is reactive and not proactive

[@zdl1965]

England is the most mediocre team to have scammed their way to the finals since Greece in 2004.
At least Greece won. That's the difference.

[@sidgrg280]

they got to the final with random moments of individual brilliance from players. got outcoached in literally every game but people harp on about 2 final appearance when he has actually sabotaged a gifted team with a deep bench

[@dannyh9290]

Greece didn't scam anything. They were solid defensively, well organised and clinical. They didn't create many chances, but they nearly always scored when they did. And they beat Portugal twice! They deserved their title. We have better players but a disjointed, nervous team. Two things Greece weren't.

[@gredax]

Southgoat is a wizard for getting us this far with this load of players.

[@TooMuchFlashing]

Man doesn’t even know what Williams was playing 😭💀

[@asoutoimporters8383]

Well said. Straight talking. You are totally correct

[@AaAa-je5eo]

Spot on about Walker, head wasn't there.

[@Allwin-lz6yj]

He’s got personal issues outside mate 🤣🤣

[@antonpollard2693]

Bellingham only wants England to win if HE is the main focus much like Kane....!!!

[@bar-sabas4801]

Well said

[@maxpowers111]

What do you mean?

[@rawdaw3869]

Well said

[@ldnsolja4914]

Kinda agree, he loves the spotlight but anyone can see he is levels above the team, where as kane shouldn't have been playing over Toney, Watkins is a 50/50 striker, misses just as many sitters as he scores (see his chance yesterday)

[@rawdaw3869]

@@ldnsolja4914 he is very simple player just hyped up he is stiff done nothing in the champions league done nothing this tournament apart from the two goals

[@Hattori_864]

Proof that life can be fair

[@researchBuilding7]

💯

[@yemi3266]

​@@researchBuilding7 no

[@yemi3266]

No

[@Hattori_864]

@@yemi3266 did England deserve to win?

[@libby4608]

@@Hattori_864let me know when he answers

[@motianearthur7344]

"Did man sneak a bottle in Saudi"😂😭

[@RBMUFC0121]

Southgate Catching Strays …”man can’t set up a PlayStation “😂😂😂

[@wiseguy8705]

Expressions my guy. You’re absolutely spot on about every single word you uttered

[@DocYAYAYA]

Southgate on about players physically struggling and he picked the same team for 7 games and barely used subs until the last few minutes 😂 no left side threat for the full tournament and he gives Gordon 1 minute of game time, Bellingham having to go wide for Foden who done nothing, bringing players who are not even fit and then starts 2 of them in the final. The same shocking line up for the full tournament and the same shocking performances... no top manager would do that

[@TS50ER]

The quickest Kane ran was when he jogged to come off.

[@JacoWium]

True. He had a 60-minute warmup session just to make that dash.

[@PHTV11]

Big up Saka, Guehi, Pickford and Palmer

[@markdevlin8471]

Harry kane moving like he's wearing concrete boots while wading through quicksand ..

[@BeFree-yi1hb]

Southampton match in mourinho era If I recall, a good few years back..

[@Piqueblinders11]

So abuse top goal scorer because he’s white….. so you’re racist

[@BILLYMARTIN111]

Watkins scored 90th minute and was the only reason we got in the final! Why wasn’t he starting in the final!!!

[@Ryancrw]

Spain played thier best team, we played our best players

[@Jack_Ajillo]

Big up Ex for standing by Saka.
He was average throughout the tournament but Foden and Kane were shocking in every game!

[@gezzaro6085]

No he was not.did walker pass the ball to him? All the time when he get the ball he's the one that look most dangerous.but everytime stone and walker get the ball he played backward pass

[@liquidgeorge]

@@gezzaro6085Listen, just because everyone else was a 3/10 doesn’t mean Saka was a 9/10. Saka was average, he just wasn’t as bad as everyone else.

[@karikarisworld2693]

If saka was average that means the rest were USELESS and Kane was less than useless

[@Piqueblinders11]

Arabs and Asian commenting monkey emojis….. yet no one saying anything about it

[@esantiago837]

​@@karikarisworld2693The rest were useless indeed. That makes Saka just close to useless. Only Palmer played like a god.

[@mrgzola25]

Foden was invisible.

[@CristanioPeweyyy]

So was Bellingham and everyone else apart from Palmer.

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

0 goals, 0 assists, 7 starts
I want him left at home for 2026, we’ve seen enough

[@doenaldjonathan862]

Why did my Google Translate change Foden to foot?

[@alanwide4364]

​@@CristanioPeweyyyat least bellingham scored ...Foden is the worst he waste all the set piece as well..

[@yunopepper76]

For England he is shyte
He is a Pep product
0 G/A in 7 games is embarrassing I don’t care if he hit the post vs the Netherlands he is garbage

[@techandgaming17]

Spain with more possession than Pablo Escobar is wild😂😂

[@makaisonn7030]

Saka don't have the complexion for the protection

[@Nat-wu4kj]

Facts bro

[@Allwin-lz6yj]

“It’s an evil world we live in” - future

[@XXXTENTAClON227]

Meanwhile Kane, Foden, Rice receiving the most heat? What are you talking about 😂

[@EliasRoy]

Too much melanin

[@makaisonn7030]

@@XXXTENTAClON227 they all had a shitty tournament saka didn't. The least you get from him is a 6/10

[@gsxii1292]

"Harvey two faces coining Batman fam u always know what gonna happen "This man is intelligent af

[@Young_Ganja]

Waited all night for this video

[@erranemmanuel-thomas6141]

Man just said “Life jacket in the shower” 🤣🤣🤣

[@jackcampbell1928]

Can we mention Rice’s performance, literally dropped a 0/10

[@Arkkis3014]

The annoying thing is that win or lose Southgate will get so much undeserved praise when he basically actively sabotaged the team for the whole tournament.
Any fan watching at home could have managed that talented squad better, all the starters never performed and the only good play came when the subs gave on game after game so why keep starting the same team over and over again?!
They lucked their way through on random individual moments of brilliance.

[@chosenblessedemma1565]

You're honest guy. You have said it all. You're only English media that always remain in truth...

[@TheBertie1008]

Can't win with England because of the manager, Can't win with Tottenham because of the owner and Jamaica? Players? Perfect trifecta 😂

[@BAM_LMAO]

A Spanish omelette 😭

[@sessoinnocent2114]

😂

[@gervaispm]

england in 1966 = a proud dad seeing his new born child
england after 1966 = babe im going shop to get some milk i be right back

[@bigerichunt9413]

Phil "Madeline McCann" Foden. The invisible man on the left wing. 7 starts , 0 goals, 0 assists.

[@EliasRoy]

Bruh 😂

[@MrLT-no7eg]

Saka was the one that carried the ball for Palmer’s goal

[@safcjoe7062]

Love Saka but he barely took Cucurella on. He had a great tournament tho and I don't know why people are scapegoating him and Kobbie. Rice and Walker were a disgrace to the country. Southgate and Kane are finished.

[@thebonuslvl7181]

@@safcjoe7062 he barely took cucu on, cos nico actually defended for the 1st time of his life to help cucu out lol kyle walker only overlapped once tho, reece james would of done much better actually over lapping, or ben white, but hey, ben white was right lol

[@johnjones8855]

@@safcjoe7062yeah you have to understand that Saka even if he beat Cucurella was covered as every time he drifted in to get a shot off.
I notice England bashes the Black players once they lose in big finals and never put accountability on the white or main “star” players. This is why I respect Ex for actually speaking the truth.

[@libby4608]

@@thebonuslvl7181you probably watched a different game, Walker overlapped multiple times. You do know it still counts as overlapping even tho the run isn’t used right?

[@Deadmansworld14]

​@@thebonuslvl7181saka was doubled and triple teamed every time he got the ball. He is probably the most marked right winger in football rn

[@darthraider450]

You can take Kane out of Tottenham, but you can't take the Tottenham out of Kane

[@coyotelong4349]

As a Tottenham fan you’re all too right

[@kimeriajames9851]

bro commenting this under Ex's post,naah ur Diabolical 😭💀😂

[@Deadmansworld14]

Not even, kane is just rubbish

[@Cinco_TM]

Big up to Ex for speaking up against the abuse ❤

[@tristantaccad4644]

I’m glad you mentioned Gordon getting no game time and there possibly being an agenda against him, Palmer, and Watkins
Despite the amazing seasons each of them had, a unbelievably shocking amount of minutes
People mention Watkins and Palmer but nobody talks about Gordon
Man got sentenced to the bench and went there for nothing when he could’ve been on holiday

[@Taporeee]

Foden: Can you Phil me in?
Calls diverted to answerphone

[@FFTsteel]

😂😂😂 We can't even play on the counter attack 😂😂😂

[@steptoe2800]

Three lions on a shirt. Unfortunately we have a cowardly lion as manager. Southgate diabolical.

[@tonybuttigieg5465]

A 3 duck figure would be more siutable on the shirt. 🤣🤣🤣

[@isaiahpavia-cruz678]

“More chances of you coming home from Tenerife” that’s about as dark a reference as you can make 😂

[@mjd_double-ya3904]

No one talking about the pitch invader in every England game!
Plus England only had ten men throughout the tournament. I guess the pitch invader was trying to make up the numbers.
It’s amazing we got to the final without a striker 😱

[@steve13191]

southgate has insurance for his cars in GTA

[@eadamic17]

You know it's peak when Luke Shaw was your best player fam 😂

[@insomnia4139]

The "no chance in hell like Vince McMahon" analogie is an all time classic on this channel i cant😂😂

[@EliasRoy]

Good to see Ex being a Pro Wrestling fan

[@Young_Ganja]

Stones was good, can't say all of the city players

[@CristanioPeweyyy]

Blame Southgate

[@itsYatesy8]

Cant wait for bantz sports ooz 😂

[@lesliegrace8360]

2 negatives in a same show? Makes it positive innit 😆

[@itsYatesy8]

​@@lesliegrace8360 exactly 😂

[@moynulislam8330]

I thought Saka was England's best player. Bellingham is overrated.

[@moonknight2865]

Nah. As a Real Madrid fan, the guy can ball but he definitely has a selfish side. Hopefully this tournament humbled him.

[@user-hc8jj3zq2x]

Southgate always goes. SOUTH

[@RedWhitePapi]

Class from Ex 👏🏽 facts 💯

[@andiswamkhabela532]

"Spain had more possession than Pablo Escobar "😂😂😂😂😂

[@brentondinham765]

This line had me

[@Footieheritage]

Jude needs to learn how to link up with his other midfielders which he don’t it’s a big flaw of his he only interested in lime light diva behaviour n not playing as a team 👎

[@SindikaNS_Maluma]

Bellingham was not the problem mister 007 foden was horrid rice doesn’t know how to play progressive football

[@hrt-gaming4920]

He was the best player on the pitch. Phil Foden was garbage, you fools are no better without Bellingham.

[@henryscott7803]

Facts

[@alexm3792]

9:13 he also stopped Kane from winning a trophy on his first day 😂😂😂😂😂

[@neilgrant9791]

Absolutely spot on Expressions 👍

[@mvinyl3484]

The overlap crew said give Southgate a six year contract....the pundits can't get enough of the Southgate shite

[@LeaoK2]

South Gate playing a 9 - 1 Formation against Yamal and Nico!
Sack South Gate now!!

[@MkTheDon14]

Ex as a Arsenal fan I rate you so much man you back Saka so much even tho you are spud but that’s why so many Arsenal fans rate you highly because you speak the truth !!!! Big facts for you ex

[@beatboxchannel2006]

Expressions not fuming is something i didn't expect 😂

[@indigobokiiie]

Bants sports ooz is about to be mad😂. CAN'T WAIT.

[@MCdomcar]

big respects ex

[@zayyad2185]

"Fraudgate, he should have left himself at home"

[@joelplank2675]

Love it you’ve called everything in my head
Luke Shaw etc
Superb 👌🏻

[@delv2473]

They had so much ball because even on the odd moments when they gave it away we gave it straight back . Kane was crocked . no reason to play him.

[@vincentellis2707]

You spot on as a spurs fan I agree with you

[@ckc1]

Expressions is too funny! Spitting bars!

[@doorstepactivecoach5736]

“They turn like TINA!” 😂🤣😂🤣

[@darkodjolev1201]

blud said Ross and Chandler🤣

[@PROFESSORKING07]

Walker thinks football is a 100m race🤣🤣

[@JacoWium]

Yep. He's an athlete, not a footballer.

[@EliasRoy]

@@JacoWium Footballers are also athletes WTF 😂😂

[@JacoWium]

@@EliasRoy Yes but athletes are not necessarily good footballers. Do you get the point now? Or do you need even more explanation?

[@Taporeee]

The Tim Henman angle is mad and very interesting. It's really one to consider.

[@fodsaks]

Time to say to both Southgate and Kane, 'Thanks for what you've done. Bye now.'

[@AreJayCee]

2 Tournaments 2 pretty easy groups 2 easier sides of the knockout stages 2 finals 2 losses. That's consistency. 😁

[@GhaliyaKhalid]

Bruh we knocked out Germany what are you on😂

[@aintree0000]

He part of the establishment...he will not be sacked

[@faraimudzekenyedzi2029]

"i support Tottenham, England and Jamaica" Brev ... Thats a stressful life dawg.😂😢

[@Kelly-just-kelly]

Absolutely i blame southgate. Who brings a sub on with 2 minutes left when we are losing !? None of them were worth their wage except watkins and palmer