BUY VENOM! I am a professional worker and like he says it is 1000% worth it if you want to do thread stuff but hate breakage and current set ups with the ear and the wax. The hook up they teach alone is worth the money. I recommend you buy venom and get 2-4 cheap itr/thread boss reels as, no matter what, thread breaks and 2 thread boss's works great as a cheap back up using the hook up they teach. The venom gimmick is far superior to old/cheap ITR's as it is easier to fix on the go and customize, but it still takes "a bathroom break" to fix. Getting the cheap ones allows you to keep going in a pinch as you get used to venom for your shows. No wax makes it waaaaaay easier. BTW when I say cheap ITR's i mean the $10-$20 range, they come with thick strong thread just like venom. You can also use these for the anchor effects they teach and not need to remove your venom. Also if you get venom I would ditch the pen clips and use safety pins to secure to your clothes.
The difference between your reviews and others is how unbiased they are and if you don’t know something about another product you don’t just assert your opinion as if you do. This is why I rely on your reviews over all others. I have purchased my Venom during the initial presale August 15, 2017. So I have had mine going on three years. You’re review is spot on. Venom is an awesome set of reels. I too have a very difficult time with thread work. Last week during my support my online favorite magic shops during this pandemic. I purchased the download for the Web Spinner and made one based on the video. I also found they were still sold at SEO magic and I ordered one of the originals. They may not be in production any longer so I am keeping it as is a collector’s item in the package for now. Ironically the one I made uses the exact same materials and was identical in every way. (I just guessed - it took me a while to find the spinner part, but for the sake of the magic code, I am not going to say anything more.) Anyway to make a long story short. I am now able to strip thread sight unseen, I can actually do it in the dark. Also on another topic I just purchased my second “the pod” its an electronic reel that retails for a hundred dollars. I am going to try connecting two in a venom rig using Vectra thread. Not sure if its going to work, but I have been dying to give it a try. Once I have done some testing I will update this post.
People who buy their own tricks have more BIAS than I do, because they go into the sale with an opinion already in their mind. They are hoping it will be good, expecting it to be good and they've invested money in the trick. That's a lot of bias before the trick has even arrived. I approach each trick with fresh eyes and an open mind, knowing full well that my "opinion" might not be someone else's. We all like different things. I don't want you to like what I like, or convince people of my opinion. I want you to buy magic that YOU will like.
The past year I bought the Venom and i love it, is a veru cool tool to work with. The thread is just perfect for me and is very easy to create new tricks and find new ways to use it. The only bad thing i had to say, is that you need to find the place with the right amount of light, with indirect light and the right eye distance it's almost invisible.
Ive had it for about 2-3 years now. Love it as well. If you use single strand kevlar you get much better invisibility-- but you do have to mess with the tension a little more as it is slightly weaker thread.
I see a lot of review about the plastic being cheap and breaks easily.. And the thread gets tangled a lot and they eventually ran out of thread.. I'm really indecise, I wanned venom so bad
Also, quick question David/comments section: in the case that the ITR breaks (as others have mentioned) can we swap out the ITR reel itself for another brand assuming its mechanical? And will it still work the same?
For me it is 100% recommended. Because the hook up is clever, Arthur gives excellents tips, and It will last a lifetime. Also the thick of the thread let you practise and it dont break. If you like what you see in the trailef get it, because it is a worker.
I'm a huge fan of thread magic. I own the venom but to be honest I've never perform one of the tricks that he teaches. The thread is too visible which makes it harder to work with. I'm not saying the product is bad. It is pretty good. I changed mine's thread and I put Yigal mesika's thread. It is thin and invisible even at one meter or less. For those who are new in thread magic I recommend Loops by Yigal mesika. In my opinion, its way more easier to master before jumping into reels (ITR). Spider pen pro by Yigal it's a pretty good option too. Overall Venom I think is more for the professionals and people who has more experience in this field of magic. Beginners, try loops and some others thread products before jumping into venom. A normal thread reel to begin with it's a pretty good option too. You won't be disappointed with Mesika's Loops. It is not a thread reel but it's a pretty good start.
This is the most informative review I’ve seen from you yet. I love that you’re showing other channels to research this ITR as well. I own an ITR and don’t use it. I think the dual ITR is worth the investment. Your comments about direct sunlight showed me what I was doing wrong in my practice. Thank you as always! Please continue!
I'm guilty to say I agree with Acershot. Thank you David. Not to trash Magic Cafe, but I notice lots of people sing praises of a product without...well, actually talking about the product. I trust your reviews as does the community. I thank you (and I may actually get this!!!) XD Update: Bought it.
@@djfoskbfikw5373 cool! I think restaurant magic would be a little too stressful for me. I always feel like when I approach people for magic their first thoughts are "oh boy, here we go" or something along those lines. Anyway, good luck with your magic my friend!
Adam F i always try to have a short conversation before doing magic. I think the absolute best way to Segway into magic is to start with basic mentalism cause it’s very interesting. My go to first trick is Isabella star 3 by Peter turner cause it’s a conversation that lets you know what their star sign is (or DOB)
magicorthodoxy as in The IT varies in shade so it isn’t all the same creating a line. If it was say dark brown then black then darker blue or three shades of black every inch then the site line is broken. Against a mixed background (not solid colour) and especially when moving it would damn near impossible to focus on.
IT magic is what people expect when they say, "do a real magic trick". I have an IT reel but don't work with it near as much as I should. This looks great, especially with stronger thread. This is a hard decision but I love that you made that decision easier for me. Thanks David! :)
I was looking at this last time we were at the local magic shop, the price point was a little daunting, even though I'll drop about $90 each time I order magic stuff and cards online haha!!
David - been buying up a storm and truthfully, base most of my decisions on your reviews, so thank you. Question - looking for the best 2 to 3 coin magic suggestions that use a gimmick. Doesn’t need to be a new release. My coin sleight skill is very average, so looking for something with small to mid range handling needs. Thoughts?
Hey David, can you do the comparasion off Venom and tarantula II, i AM going to buy a new tread reel, an i didn t decide witch One a should get, that Will help me a lot
I had that problem in different ways. Is it getting stuck under the cap or on the wax? Usually I found its due to your cap breaking, it may have a hairline fracture you cant see that the thread gets stuck in, if it is you can super glue the crack or buy new ones.
I bought this and the cap crack in the 3rd day of practicing causing the tread to tangle and snag. I always go back to the boss reel, and those can be linked the same. I feel like the venom would be better priced at or below $75.00. $160.00 was way too much in my opinion. I only used it one night for bar magic and that was it. Thread magic is tedious in of itself especially when something goes wrong.
I agree, common problem. I think if the caps where aluminum this would be solved. I still say its worth it to me as you can fix the crack with super glue and the maintenance on these is far easier than thread boss.
what is the best itr to buy?..i want to do the floating ring into the spectator's ring finger and bring a cup on the table towards me ..only these 2 effects p.s:i didn't use itr or invisible thread before
@@magicorthodoxy can be used for the ring levitation into the spectator's finger?..and which one do you advise me to buy.. supposed to know the shipping is expensive for me so i try to collect some gimmicks for once at a time
A friend just gave me the box with the 2 reels in it a few weeks ago. No instructions or link to any. Hes not at all in to magic so i have no idea how he even got them, and he has no clue how to use them 😩 ive been scared to mess with them bc i dont want to break them just trying to figure out how they work. I guess i need to buy a new set so i can get the instructions and just look at it like i got a back up set for free. Great review as always. Thanks David
Right now I am planning on learning ITR would it be best to start with this ITR before moving on to the more expensive ITR’s or is there anymore ITR’s that are best for me right now in particular?
@@magicorthodoxy I just watched your how to video and just ordered the venom ITR today which will be my first magic gimmick. I’ll be starting with this one cause this was $30 on Amazon and the more expensive ITR’s tend to be quite advance for non beginners like me.
@@magicorthodoxy I just got it today it came with everything including the instruction video. I was worried I might get something else cause it was cheaper than the original venom
@@magicorthodoxy Well Damn I see it's on Ellusionist and they have 21 units left but if it's being discontinued would you recommend buying still? Or should I buy a different ITR product? Also thank you for the info and respond really appreciate it .
@Zeke Magic I got *Venom* and I'm pretty happy with it. I did swap the thread for a more translucent "Vectra" one though. I'm still getting used to the "double" handling but I'm enjoying the challenge of it and I can use it like a Single anyway.
Check your cap is not fractured. Sometimes the thread will get stuck in the crack of the cap. If its the spool its possible it wasnt spooled correctly. Unwind the reel in quesion and rewind, if you come to part where the thread wont come off the reel-- i.e stuck-- break it and use Arthurs method for getting another piece off the spool. When you eventually run out of thread and have to respool it yourself I guarentee you wont have this problem.
Tarantula 2 is best for floating... venom is great for animation ALSO, check ebay! I got mine from a legit dealer for 25 dollars! 160... that is ellusionist pricing
@@magicorthodoxy Legit dealers can sometimes get bootlegs too, the good news at least of from a consumer point of view is that the bootlegs are usually factory overruns and the same product. Though obviously that's bad for supporting the creators.
@@magicorthodoxy i live in Germany so its not dollar for me www.mentalmagicshop.de/p/venom That's the shop but with shipping in other countries idk how much that is (Online Instructions are in 360p so not amazing but you get a dvd with full hd) Btw got flatpack by jason knowles today luv it xD
Venom is great. The setup is genius. One of the cleanest and easiest ready to go setups for certain tricks. Haven't performed with it much live because of the major anxiety with thread magic. But it's very exciting and I think the tricks explained on the DVD is only half of what's possible if you really take the time to get comfortable with it. Mine has surely broken/snagged before but I was able to fix it in less than 20 minutes as opposed to years ago practicing with Tarantula and it breaking within an hour. Never being able to fix it and throwing that $100+ down the drain lol Definitely worth the investment if you already use rings often, are comfortable with IT, and/or you love really beautiful visuals in your magic!
@@magicorthodoxy Honestly speaking I've never used T2. I only had the very first one years ago when I was much younger. It was actually my first ever ITR and probably my own naivety that left me feeling disappointed. Imagine being a 15 year old ecstatic to float rings on to fingers just to get your device and break it within minutes lol. And then the task of fixing it seeming too daunting so you throw out the whole thing and curse Ellusionist as you fall asleep in bed! Learning magic is fun lol
I am working on a project and would love to talk to someone who knows more about illusions than I do. for example, I am wondering if this would work with out a person operating it... If someone wanted to reach out to me privately, I would love to pick a brain a little.
The internal elastic bands broke on mine, finding replacement bands was a pain. I tried using coin bite bands, but it’s too tense and too easy to break the thread.
magicorthodoxy You want the red elastic number 2. It comes in a giant spool, so it should last you a while. My experience is that you want the elastic band diameter to be about the size of your index finger. They also didn’t really go into enough detail about how to tie the elastic band in my opinion.
where can i find new bands for this. got mine from a legit dealer but the link was all french with bad subtitles and when they talk about replacement bands it was all in french... any tips would be welcome
Who's afraid of Invisible Thread by John LeClair, also check out Ammar´s Videos with L&L, Ammar doesn't leave anything uncovered. He also gets you thinking of many other uses for IT. Another one but not exactly ITR is the Loops dvds by Yigal Mesika
100th time: This is not juggling, it's called misdirection. BEEP
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You is right
I always get that ad😂
Mee too. Bogota, Colombia.
BUY VENOM! I am a professional worker and like he says it is 1000% worth it if you want to do thread stuff but hate breakage and current set ups with the ear and the wax. The hook up they teach alone is worth the money. I recommend you buy venom and get 2-4 cheap itr/thread boss reels as, no matter what, thread breaks and 2 thread boss's works great as a cheap back up using the hook up they teach. The venom gimmick is far superior to old/cheap ITR's as it is easier to fix on the go and customize, but it still takes "a bathroom break" to fix. Getting the cheap ones allows you to keep going in a pinch as you get used to venom for your shows. No wax makes it waaaaaay easier.
BTW when I say cheap ITR's i mean the $10-$20 range, they come with thick strong thread just like venom. You can also use these for the anchor effects they teach and not need to remove your venom.
Also if you get venom I would ditch the pen clips and use safety pins to secure to your clothes.
Great comment !!!!
I got my "venom" and it didn't have any instructions. What can I do? I don't even know how to pair them together the right way. Can you help?
Where did you get it?
The difference between your reviews and others is how unbiased they are and if you don’t know something about another product you don’t just assert your opinion as if you do. This is why I rely on your reviews over all others. I have purchased my Venom during the initial presale August 15, 2017. So I have had mine going on three years. You’re review is spot on. Venom is an awesome set of reels. I too have a very difficult time with thread work. Last week during my support my online favorite magic shops during this pandemic. I purchased the download for the Web Spinner and made one based on the video. I also found they were still sold at SEO magic and I ordered one of the originals. They may not be in production any longer so I am keeping it as is a collector’s item in the package for now. Ironically the one I made uses the exact same materials and was identical in every way. (I just guessed - it took me a while to find the spinner part, but for the sake of the magic code, I am not going to say anything more.) Anyway to make a long story short. I am now able to strip thread sight unseen, I can actually do it in the dark. Also on another topic I just purchased my second “the pod” its an electronic reel that retails for a hundred dollars. I am going to try connecting two in a venom rig using Vectra thread. Not sure if its going to work, but I have been dying to give it a try. Once I have done some testing I will update this post.
People who buy their own tricks have more BIAS than I do, because they go into the sale with an opinion already in their mind. They are hoping it will be good, expecting it to be good and they've invested money in the trick. That's a lot of bias before the trick has even arrived. I approach each trick with fresh eyes and an open mind, knowing full well that my "opinion" might not be someone else's. We all like different things. I don't want you to like what I like, or convince people of my opinion. I want you to buy magic that YOU will like.
@@magicorthodoxy Damn, I could do same thing with a regular ITR
It has been two years. How did your venom hookup with the pods go?
I just purchased this and did not get the online instuctions can someone send me the link thanks
You need to write to the store you purchased it from
The past year I bought the Venom and i love it, is a veru cool tool to work with. The thread is just perfect for me and is very easy to create new tricks and find new ways to use it. The only bad thing i had to say, is that you need to find the place with the right amount of light, with indirect light and the right eye distance it's almost invisible.
Agreed! Great comment
@@magicorthodoxy thanks, i love all of your reviews, great work!
Ive had it for about 2-3 years now. Love it as well. If you use single strand kevlar you get much better invisibility-- but you do have to mess with the tension a little more as it is slightly weaker thread.
I see a lot of review about the plastic being cheap and breaks easily.. And the thread gets tangled a lot and they eventually ran out of thread..
I'm really indecise, I wanned venom so bad
@@DanielOliveira-hn3mh buy it, it worth it, I dont understand why people say it breaks easily, it doesnt. Just the video worth the money.
Also, quick question David/comments section: in the case that the ITR breaks (as others have mentioned) can we swap out the ITR reel itself for another brand assuming its mechanical? And will it still work the same?
The reel is on the top - and it's pretty unique
I use magic makers itr for the ring stop with the same hookup method. My thread does get stuck Fromm time to time
Dunno exactly how this works even though I’ve bought one??!!! Anyone help??
For me it is 100% recommended. Because the hook up is clever, Arthur gives excellents tips, and It will last a lifetime. Also the thick of the thread let you practise and it dont break. If you like what you see in the trailef get it, because it is a worker.
great comment
Thanks for the review
Any time!
Hi, where do I find instructions or video for venom twin itr's please? To find in english would be amazing..thank you - Roy
you'd have to reach out to the creators and ask
THANK GOD!!!! I've been waiting for your review on Venom forever!
I'm here to please
Stop gesturing hypnotically...we're onto you!
jk, great video.
I'm a huge fan of thread magic. I own the venom but to be honest I've never perform one of the tricks that he teaches. The thread is too visible which makes it harder to work with. I'm not saying the product is bad. It is pretty good. I changed mine's thread and I put Yigal mesika's thread. It is thin and invisible even at one meter or less. For those who are new in thread magic I recommend Loops by Yigal mesika. In my opinion, its way more easier to master before jumping into reels (ITR). Spider pen pro by Yigal it's a pretty good option too. Overall Venom I think is more for the professionals and people who has more experience in this field of magic. Beginners, try loops and some others thread products before jumping into venom. A normal thread reel to begin with it's a pretty good option too. You won't be disappointed with Mesika's Loops. It is not a thread reel but it's a pretty good start.
I agree - LOOPS are amazing
This is the most informative review I’ve seen from you yet. I love that you’re showing other channels to research this ITR as well.
I own an ITR and don’t use it. I think the dual ITR is worth the investment.
Your comments about direct sunlight showed me what I was doing wrong in my practice.
Thank you as always! Please continue!
I'm here to help
It is worth it especially if you do a lot of close up and ring magic
I'm guilty to say I agree with Acershot. Thank you David. Not to trash Magic Cafe, but I notice lots of people sing praises of a product without...well, actually talking about the product. I trust your reviews as does the community. I thank you (and I may actually get this!!!) XD
Update: Bought it.
wow - awesome !!!!
I just think thread is just always a pain in the ass no matter how awesome the gadget, Im far too lazy to rebuild the things!
IT is a acquired taste - LOL
I got this about a year ago and always use it especially at the Cheesecake Factory that place has perfect lighting
ooh, I love Cheesecake Factory
Are you a working magician at the cheesecake factory?
Adam F sometimes maybe about twice a week
@@djfoskbfikw5373 cool! I think restaurant magic would be a little too stressful for me. I always feel like when I approach people for magic their first thoughts are "oh boy, here we go" or something along those lines. Anyway, good luck with your magic my friend!
Adam F i always try to have a short conversation before doing magic. I think the absolute best way to Segway into magic is to start with basic mentalism cause it’s very interesting. My go to first trick is Isabella star 3 by Peter turner cause it’s a conversation that lets you know what their star sign is (or DOB)
When someone figures out how to produce camo thread (thread of repeating multiple shades) they will cash in on us magicians huge...
Like camouflage?
magicorthodoxy as in The IT varies in shade so it isn’t all the same creating a line. If it was say dark brown then black then darker blue or three shades of black every inch then the site line is broken. Against a mixed background (not solid colour) and especially when moving it would damn near impossible to focus on.
IT magic is what people expect when they say, "do a real magic trick". I have an IT reel but don't work with it near as much as I should. This looks great, especially with stronger thread. This is a hard decision but I love that you made that decision easier for me. Thanks David! :)
I try to present all the sides
I was looking at this last time we were at the local magic shop, the price point was a little daunting, even though I'll drop about $90 each time I order magic stuff and cards online haha!!
yep - the price was what kept me away in the past
Good for some effects your reviews are so informative
Thank you
David - been buying up a storm and truthfully, base most of my decisions on your reviews, so thank you. Question - looking for the best 2 to 3 coin magic suggestions that use a gimmick. Doesn’t need to be a new release. My coin sleight skill is very average, so looking for something with small to mid range handling needs. Thoughts?
I have. Venom and it’s the only it system I use
Me 2
How often does it fail?
The Street sy late reply , lucky enough never failed yet , not saying it won’t but after over 24 performances all fine , hope that helps
andy blue thnx bud
Hey David, can you do the comparasion off Venom and tarantula II, i AM going to buy a new tread reel, an i didn t decide witch One a should get, that Will help me a lot
I have given them both away in contests - I pick tarantula over venom though
@@magicorthodoxy thank you bro, that is so healpful
Had any issues with the thread getting stuck? I've had this for a while as well.
Dylan Droid I have the same problem.
I have the movements down, but my thread keeps getting stuck on the reel.
I had that problem in different ways. Is it getting stuck under the cap or on the wax? Usually I found its due to your cap breaking, it may have a hairline fracture you cant see that the thread gets stuck in, if it is you can super glue the crack or buy new ones.
@@bkstudio1990 It's not the cap. It comes off the spool and gets jammed.
I have had this system for a while with intentions on working on it. Thanks for reminding me!
:)
The best review about venom. Thank you.
Arthure is a very good friemd of mine..... proably one of the brst coin magiciems in the world Im not exagerated
awesome
I'm sorry but where do you go to get replacement thread for the reels if they break?
Magie Factory
@@magicorthodoxy I can't find it there, does it go by another name than "venom thread?"
Terrific review! A lot of detailed information wrapped around your wonderful, as usual, delivery.
THANKS CAL
I bought this and the cap crack in the 3rd day of practicing causing the tread to tangle and snag. I always go back to the boss reel, and those can be linked the same. I feel like the venom would be better priced at or below $75.00. $160.00 was way too much in my opinion. I only used it one night for bar magic and that was it. Thread magic is tedious in of itself especially when something goes wrong.
I agree thread magic is tedious, which is why I wanted something low maintenance
I agree, common problem. I think if the caps where aluminum this would be solved. I still say its worth it to me as you can fix the crack with super glue and the maintenance on these is far easier than thread boss.
what is the best itr to buy?..i want to do the floating ring into the spectator's ring finger and bring a cup on the table towards me ..only these 2 effects
p.s:i didn't use itr or invisible thread before
I would start with a cheap affordable ITR to see if you like the material, before you spend big money
@@magicorthodoxy can be used for the ring levitation into the spectator's finger?..and which one do you advise me to buy..
supposed to know the shipping is expensive for me so i try to collect some gimmicks for once at a time
Thank you for all your reviews!
Thanks man
A friend just gave me the box with the 2 reels in it a few weeks ago. No instructions or link to any. Hes not at all in to magic so i have no idea how he even got them, and he has no clue how to use them 😩 ive been scared to mess with them bc i dont want to break them just trying to figure out how they work. I guess i need to buy a new set so i can get the instructions and just look at it like i got a back up set for free. Great review as always. Thanks David
send an email to ellusionist support for the instructions
Spider pen or venom , if you could choose..( I have spider pen )
A lot of people like T2 , I liked Spider pen, but the pen was too fancy. But I like Venom as a single ITR best of all
For someone who has never used any ITR would you recommend Venom? Or would you recommend something different?
absolutely ! I love it
Right now I am planning on learning ITR would it be best to start with this ITR before moving on to the more expensive ITR’s or is there anymore ITR’s that are best for me right now in particular?
here ya go th-cam.com/video/2NyhRrwq8jY/w-d-xo.html
@@magicorthodoxy I just watched your how to video and just ordered the venom ITR today which will be my first magic gimmick. I’ll be starting with this one cause this was $30 on Amazon and the more expensive ITR’s tend to be quite advance for non beginners like me.
@@justdrumline6805 $30? that's going to be a fake. The real version is around $150 if purchased from an authorized dealer. I hope it's a good product
@@magicorthodoxy I just got it today it came with everything including the instruction video. I was worried I might get something else cause it was cheaper than the original venom
Where is the best place to buy this at on Ellusionist ($160) or Magie Factory($140)? I've also seen on Amazon for $35 but it looks fake on Amazon
I've heard Magie Factory is out of business - email them and see
@@magicorthodoxy Well damn I will email them and see thanks for the reply is the venom ITR been Discontinued as well though?
@@bongcleaning101withluke2 yup
@@magicorthodoxy Well Damn I see it's on Ellusionist and they have 21 units left but if it's being discontinued would you recommend buying still? Or should I buy a different ITR product? Also thank you for the info and respond really appreciate it .
@@bongcleaning101withluke2 if you've never done an ITR before, I think it's hard
I haven't decided on an ITR yet... Venom is definitely on the list as an option.
@Zeke Magic I got *Venom* and I'm pretty happy with it. I did swap the thread for a more translucent "Vectra" one though. I'm still getting used to the "double" handling but I'm enjoying the challenge of it and I can use it like a Single anyway.
What would you recommend as far as a itr for resteraunt and close up as far as invisibility
Loops or Tarantula 2
Any tips on how to stop the thread from been caught on the spool? I have all the movements down, but every time I practice it keeps getting stuck!
are you using the 2 reel method?
Check your cap is not fractured. Sometimes the thread will get stuck in the crack of the cap. If its the spool its possible it wasnt spooled correctly. Unwind the reel in quesion and rewind, if you come to part where the thread wont come off the reel-- i.e stuck-- break it and use Arthurs method for getting another piece off the spool. When you eventually run out of thread and have to respool it yourself I guarentee you wont have this problem.
5:03 if i do the ring in spectator's finger on street like trailer, is it also visible using venom thread even i wear black ?
i mean this is only in trailer not reality
so what if i do it at sunset on street wearing black,is it also visible?
i want to buy it mainly for this effect
there is no way to hide it?
I no longer have VENOM I gave it away in a contest
@@magicorthodoxy why you get rid of venom? Not a worker anymore everyone knows it's thread?
Tarantula 2 is best for floating... venom is great for animation
ALSO, check ebay! I got mine from a legit dealer for 25 dollars! 160... that is ellusionist pricing
the $25 are typically Hong Kong bootlegs - are you sure it's legit?
@@magicorthodoxy Legit dealers can sometimes get bootlegs too, the good news at least of from a consumer point of view is that the bootlegs are usually factory overruns and the same product. Though obviously that's bad for supporting the creators.
Wow that is cool, nice review. 😊
THANKS !!!!
Got it today for 59 bucks and for that price its more than amazing
WOW! Where?
@@magicorthodoxy i live in Germany so its not dollar for me www.mentalmagicshop.de/p/venom
That's the shop but with shipping in other countries idk how much that is
(Online Instructions are in 360p so not amazing but you get a dvd with full hd)
Btw got flatpack by jason knowles today luv it xD
Venom is great. The setup is genius. One of the cleanest and easiest ready to go setups for certain tricks. Haven't performed with it much live because of the major anxiety with thread magic. But it's very exciting and I think the tricks explained on the DVD is only half of what's possible if you really take the time to get comfortable with it.
Mine has surely broken/snagged before but I was able to fix it in less than 20 minutes as opposed to years ago practicing with Tarantula and it breaking within an hour. Never being able to fix it and throwing that $100+ down the drain lol
Definitely worth the investment if you already use rings often, are comfortable with IT, and/or you love really beautiful visuals in your magic!
I agree - thanks for the comment - have you ever tried T2?
@@magicorthodoxy Honestly speaking I've never used T2. I only had the very first one years ago when I was much younger. It was actually my first ever ITR and probably my own naivety that left me feeling disappointed. Imagine being a 15 year old ecstatic to float rings on to fingers just to get your device and break it within minutes lol. And then the task of fixing it seeming too daunting so you throw out the whole thing and curse Ellusionist as you fall asleep in bed!
Learning magic is fun lol
I am working on a project and would love to talk to someone who knows more about illusions than I do.
for example, I am wondering if this would work with out a person operating it...
If someone wanted to reach out to me privately, I would love to pick a brain a little.
Several scenes I could see the visible thread in that guys performance!
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Hi David! Is it limited to a certain outfit?
itd be helpful if you had two inside pockets on the left and right - similar to what the performer is wearing
@@magicorthodoxy I see. Thanks for that. Still thinking to get it because I usually use a vest during performances.
My venom came today.. with a link that didn't work !! Where could I purchase and download the tutorial?
This is on my list.
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The internal elastic bands broke on mine, finding replacement bands was a pain. I tried using coin bite bands, but it’s too tense and too easy to break the thread.
what did you end up using?
magicorthodoxy You want the red elastic number 2. It comes in a giant spool, so it should last you a while. My experience is that you want the elastic band diameter to be about the size of your index finger. They also didn’t really go into enough detail about how to tie the elastic band in my opinion.
@@BrandonJPearce the fishing pole elastic? And then you what? Cut it in rings?
magicorthodoxy well kind of, the goal is to cut it and tie into a ring yes.
If it helps, I’d be happy to shoot a video demonstrating it and pm it to you on the magic cafe 🙂
Oh that would be cool!! 🤩
what would?
@@magicorthodoxy venom! 😁
I found this trick (the original 2 Venom reels) that costs 20 dollars with wax, do you think its worth it?
The whole tutorial is in French!
you have an option to watch it in either french or english
where can i find new bands for this. got mine from a legit dealer but the link was all french with bad subtitles and when they talk about replacement bands it was all in french... any tips would be welcome
there are some good suggestions in the comments below from others
What‘s your favorite thread? Andcwhere do you get it?
I'm still using the thread that came with the unit
I would like to know if it is possible to levitate a bubble ball, I mean the ones that Vernet sells (Multiplying Soap Bubbles)
I dont own a bubble ball, wish I could tell you
T2 or venom for street magic?
Probably T2
Thank you for this great review. Can you recommend any sources (books, dvds) for effects using only one reel.
Who's afraid of Invisible Thread by John LeClair, also check out Ammar´s Videos with L&L, Ammar doesn't leave anything uncovered. He also gets you thinking of many other uses for IT. Another one but not exactly ITR is the Loops dvds by Yigal Mesika
@@magicorthodoxy Thank you for the prompt reply. I will sure look into it.
Sorry David to bother you again, does it contain IT to replace the one that the device has or we have to buy extra?
only the two devices. I always list what comes in the package in the review
Thanks David, I was trying to find at ellusionist the accessories but it seems that they are not there
nope they are not and the mftr website is not answering inquiries