In the last ten or so years ive never had a terminal failure with suffix 832. No knot breaks,no lost fish because of line failure.no wind knots. I love it
Fantastic video thanks definitely subscribed for more videos this is a game changing set up to test lines equaly on a specific setup designed for specific attributes of a fishing line 👍
Definitely something I should be doing. I will see if I can introduce a consistent and repeatable way to test it. Something like an FG from braid to leader would be ideal i feel.
@@thelinelaboratory don't worry, I just looked up knot testing. Mostly around 50% for the Uni, and about 60% for the FG. It's a shame knot strength is so poor.
This has been my go-to braid for pitching light jigs in heavy cover for 2 years. Has not let me down. You do have to watch abrasion and retie more often than std. Power Pro. But it casts way smoother. Easier to hit targets with less casting effort. Also need to watch brair/fluoro knot and retie a couple times a day
Yep agreed, no question its a nice line. Interesting comparison to the Std Power Pro, I have 6 different weights here that I need to test, lets see how they stand up.
Looks like they changed the rating of the Sufix 832 - at least on the rapala EU site. It is more in line with your test results now. I don't see a 0.22 mm line but 0.2 is rate at 30 lbs and 0.24 at 39 lbs.
I wasn't aware of an updated version, can you point me to it? I see completely different strengths and diameter ratings depending on what Rapala site I go to.
Hi mate i have been mesmerised by your videos they are fantastic. Cheers. Question. The knot strengrh vs line strength. How do the knot strength effect real world fishing? If the knot is a weak point then doesnt it make the line strength unimportant?
Great pickup and technically your right, if you have a knot in your line somewhere then its likely that is the weakest link in the chain. We test the line strength and diameter as that's what most people look at when choosing a main line. we then also test the knot strength and see how much of the lines ultimate strength is lost when using a knot. Some lines we have tested lose a huge percentage of strength when knotted, others not much or sometimes none at all. Knowing all the data makes it easier to make an informed choice.
I would be interested to see what these higher capacity lines break at, but going on other tests it maybe up around 100+ pounds so they may stress my equipment. If I can find some samples I will do my best.
Agreed I say the only time to use super fine braids is either slick coated braids or braids with a stiffer body to them- the limp ones (ex: spider wire) tangle horribly if you’re a panfish- finesse guy who uses spinning gear
Does the program you're using allow you to show the graph with varied x and y attributes? Is there anywhere ypu post the graphs or raw data? It'd be interesting to dive more into each line and see if maybe one has a lower UTS but a higher yield point. It would be nice to see the deformation numbers too. Love this channel. You're doing an awesome job!
You can absolutely get the data! If you go to the website and pick the line your interested in, lets say Sufix 832: linelaboratory.com/portfolio/sufix-832-15lb-braid/ towards the bottom of each page you will see the breaking strain graph. There is a link in that graph that says "Get the Data" where you can download a csv with the force plots every 0.1secs. I plot columns Test 1, Test 2 and Test 3 which is a slightly smoothed version of the raw numbers (which are quite noisy). Hope this helps.
Thats strange, did it snap at the knot or just randomly somewhere? If I can get my hands on some 10lb I would happy to run it through the tests and see how it goes.
I will be happy to send a sample of 10 lb. if you want to give me your address. I would be interested just to see what the breaking strength is for the Suffix 832 10 lb test.
Love the test methodology, however I hope that you can standardise your test to 30lb(most common) for your test library so that it is the same baseline comparison across. Currently lines are tested for 15 lb, 8lb, 30lb etc.
Thank you. I understand your point about standardizing but but only testing 30lb line (or any other lb rating) wont achieve the standardization as what is printed on the box is generally so far from what the lines actually are, its pointless. One 30lb may break at 25lb, and another breaks at 60lb so they are not comparable directly. The standardization is the Tensile Strength, which takes the diameter and the breaking strain and standardizes it that way. I aim to test as many different types and sizes as possible so that if somebody is interested in a specific line, lets say 8lb, they can look at the results and know what brand will give them the characteristics they need.
@@thelinelaboratory I don't disagree with what your points but I do think that you are missing out on an easily standardised point which is the manufacturer stated break specification. Most of your viewers who look at your tests are looking to base their purchase decision on your test result, not having it standardise across an easily compared point makes it a lot harder. If I am staring at a wall of brands, and want to buy a certain poundage, I am going to look at your chart and want to easily estimate the results based on a standard. Sure we can try to extrapolate the results by taking the measured vs stated in percentage, but that that is a lot of extra steps and calculation as currently you test it at 6lb, 8lb, 15lb, 30 lb and etc we dont even know if it will extrapolate well went comparing across # ratings . E.g. Brand X might perform 200% of break strength at stated 8lb, but the same Brand might only have 150% break strength at stated 30lb. At the same time, while we ideally standardize at actual break strength, it will take a copious amount of test permutations before such a standardisation can be achieved. Don't get me wrong, it is merely a suggestion. I love the tests that you do and they are absolutely invaluable because I don't know of anyone remaining who still factors in actual line diameter in their test . Every bozo on youtube just takes manufacturer stated diameter and roll with it.
@@eloysiuschiang I completely understand your goal here and i agree that standardizing against a single rated poundage can be beneficial in the use case you proposed. Lets take that use case where somebody is looking for a 30lb line. Are you after a line thats RATED at 30lb or actually breaks at around 30lbs? There can be a huge difference. We have established that for 95% of lines, you can ignore what's printed on the box for the most part. Take the Jarvis Walker 30lb i tested, it breaks at 63lbs. Is that what you really want or do you want a line that actually breaks around 30lb? if you are after the latter, then go to my braid summary chart and pick something that is known to break around 30lbs. there are 11 lines that break between 26-36lbs, ranging from Powerpro 8lb (breaks at 26lbs) to a couple of Sufix and the AliExpress JBraid that break at 36lbs. None of these are rated at 30lbs on the box, they range from 8lb -> 25lbs. I also agree that extrapolation may not be accurate, but unless i test every braid ever produced in every rating then we will need to make assumptions somewhere in the decision making process if your looking for something that hasn't been tested. If I was looking for a new line, i would first of all decided on what i was after, lets say it has a max break around 20lbs. I would then look at the Tensile Strength and work out what some of the top brands and products that are on the upper end of this scale, so choose a brand and line type that has a high tensile rating. I would then have my list of the top 5 line types. Next i would look at what strength line has been tested and what it actually broke at. If its been tested and broke at 20lb then thats my choice. If not, then we need some quick maths. If line X was tested, it has a great tensile strength but i have only tested it in 30lb, which broke at 40lb. Then i know that to reach my 20lb goal my closest guess would be a 15lb rated line from that brand. This makes me thing that if there some way that i could take the data i already have, but use it in a way to make the decision process easier for the user? The data is all there, maybe i just need to slice and dice it differently? Open to suggestions.
@thelinelaboratory I think the difference in opinion here is that you are looking at chart usage purely from a tester/engineer point of view. The common folk are not gunning for IGFA titles and will look at manufacturer rated as common denominator. They will first look at the arbitrary 20lb lines that is available to them and decide to get the brand based on some influence of the test result. I.e. do they want to have thinner lines and go Japanese, or have more margins from the American brands. The reality is that until deep credibility is somehow established, there will always be blind trust in manufacturers. This is common across all objective testing whether it be fishing lines or audio gear. Not to mention conventional wisdom is to set drag at 30% of rated line break. No one is going to stretch to purchase an 8lb braid because your test says it breaks at 26lb- if they are looking to buy an arbitrary 20lb line. But it will definitely dissuade them from buying if they are looking to purchase an 8lb line because it's diameter is way overstated. Manufacturer spec are still more trustworthy in the minds of the consumer. Therefore, it is important to standardise based on manufacturer line break spec because that will be what people base their purchase decision on , which is to trust the manufacturer rating, but shift their purchase decision across brands based on influence of your test. At present there is no standardisation therefore way too much extrapolation needed to be done. It is absolute bonkers to expect people to compare an 8lb PowerPoint vs a 30lb Japanese braid even if they test the same.
Thanks for the feedback! I am currently trying to get some Varivas to test, from all accounts it seems to be a really good braid so it will be interesting to see how it compares to the 832.
I would suggest checking on the braid summary page on the website. There is a table that lists actual breaking strain, so narrow down to what range your after then look at tensile strength.
Hello mate,I have subscribed to your channel and i find it very interesting and useful. I bought the sufix 50 pound. So in base to your test i think it should develope something like 100 ,110 pound or I'm wrong? I would like to use for Pelagic fish in general. Thanks in advance for your reply and your efforts 😃💪🤙🤙
Hi Mario, its very hard to estimate what it would break at based on its rated strength only as they are typically so far off, but if Sufix lines are consistently breaking at +243% of their advertised strength then the 50lb should be up around 121lbs breaking strain.
A few reasons, first we have tested another 100+ lines since we tested this one so the order is constantly changing. Additionally, when we released this video we were not testing and ranking the FG Knot which we are now. We did go back and do the FG test on this line to update its final ranking.
Despite the labeling inaccuracies which most manufacturers seem to suffer from, in my experience the 832 is actually a good braid. Its interesting that you found it broke UNDER whats on the label? This doesn’t seem consistent with my tests but I haven’t tested all of their weights. I don’t see a PE1/26lb available for the Sufix 832.
@@thelinelaboratory There is a version of Sufix 832 for the European market, PE1 is actually labled 26lb. Maybe it's really worth doing a comparison test between the products intended for the American and European markets, the line you have tested is labled 15lb and 0.22mm, in the EU version the PE2 of the Sufix 832 is labled 0.24mm and 39lb (is that the catch ...?) Daiwa and other companies also present different data for different markets and it's very confusing...
Yes the labeling is horrible in the braid market! The Rapala EU website states PE1 is 0.18mm 12kg/26lb which seems to correspond to US website 0.18mm (0.007”) 8lb line (3.6kg). Line Lab rested 0.22mm to break at 36lb (over 2x of the US 15lb rating). This confirms your 0.18mm breakage at 6-7kg (2x the US rating of 3.6kg). EU website is totally OFF. Go by diameter and what Line Lab measured.
In the last ten or so years ive never had a terminal failure with suffix 832. No knot breaks,no lost fish because of line failure.no wind knots. I love it
Amazing, good to see they overdelivered while not misleading us as badly on thr diameter
Excellent precise tests,would love to see the 50lb sufix 832 tested 👍🏼
Just caught a 40+ lb striped bass off this very line, no way I’ll ever use power pro
Fantastic video thanks definitely subscribed for more videos this is a game changing set up to test lines equaly on a specific setup designed for specific attributes of a fishing line 👍
Thank you! 👊🤛
I just wish knot strength was included. A Uni or other simple knot would do.
Definitely something I should be doing. I will see if I can introduce a consistent and repeatable way to test it. Something like an FG from braid to leader would be ideal i feel.
@@thelinelaboratory don't worry, I just looked up knot testing. Mostly around 50% for the Uni, and about 60% for the FG. It's a shame knot strength is so poor.
Fantastico, amazing work!
This has been my go-to braid for pitching light jigs in heavy cover for 2 years. Has not let me down. You do have to watch abrasion and retie more often than std. Power Pro. But it casts way smoother. Easier to hit targets with less casting effort.
Also need to watch brair/fluoro knot and retie a couple times a day
Yep agreed, no question its a nice line. Interesting comparison to the Std Power Pro, I have 6 different weights here that I need to test, lets see how they stand up.
Looks like they changed the rating of the Sufix 832 - at least on the rapala EU site. It is more in line with your test results now. I don't see a 0.22 mm line but 0.2 is rate at 30 lbs and 0.24 at 39 lbs.
Interesting! @thelinelaboratory Would it be possible for you to retest the updated rating Sufix 832 0.22mm line
I wasn't aware of an updated version, can you point me to it? I see completely different strengths and diameter ratings depending on what Rapala site I go to.
Great job!
Thanks!
Interesting how Varivas Max Power #1.0 or 1.2 would compare
Hi mate i have been mesmerised by your videos they are fantastic. Cheers. Question. The knot strengrh vs line strength. How do the knot strength effect real world fishing? If the knot is a weak point then doesnt it make the line strength unimportant?
Great pickup and technically your right, if you have a knot in your line somewhere then its likely that is the weakest link in the chain. We test the line strength and diameter as that's what most people look at when choosing a main line. we then also test the knot strength and see how much of the lines ultimate strength is lost when using a knot. Some lines we have tested lose a huge percentage of strength when knotted, others not much or sometimes none at all. Knowing all the data makes it easier to make an informed choice.
The Surfix 832 needs a redo, 0.15mm is advertise to 20lb/9.2kg
So 0.22mm is probably 35lb ish
Yep all of their quoted diameters seem to be a long way off.
Is there any chance you can do a video on sufix 832 65lb and sufix832 80lb braided line?
Thank you in advance.
I would be interested to see what these higher capacity lines break at, but going on other tests it maybe up around 100+ pounds so they may stress my equipment. If I can find some samples I will do my best.
80 lb breaks around 130lb. Nothing in freshwater will break it.your hooks will straighten out first
I have problems with fine lines, a lot of tangles when casting. Thicker lines require less work at this point.
Agreed I say the only time to use super fine braids is either slick coated braids or braids with a stiffer body to them- the limp ones (ex: spider wire) tangle horribly if you’re a panfish- finesse guy who uses spinning gear
Does the program you're using allow you to show the graph with varied x and y attributes? Is there anywhere ypu post the graphs or raw data? It'd be interesting to dive more into each line and see if maybe one has a lower UTS but a higher yield point. It would be nice to see the deformation numbers too.
Love this channel. You're doing an awesome job!
You can absolutely get the data! If you go to the website and pick the line your interested in, lets say Sufix 832: linelaboratory.com/portfolio/sufix-832-15lb-braid/ towards the bottom of each page you will see the breaking strain graph. There is a link in that graph that says "Get the Data" where you can download a csv with the force plots every 0.1secs. I plot columns Test 1, Test 2 and Test 3 which is a slightly smoothed version of the raw numbers (which are quite noisy). Hope this helps.
I lost a nice bass using Suffix 832 10 lb. Line just snapped. new line, no abrasion. Can you do a test on the 10 lb?
Thats strange, did it snap at the knot or just randomly somewhere? If I can get my hands on some 10lb I would happy to run it through the tests and see how it goes.
I will be happy to send a sample of 10 lb. if you want to give me your address. I would be interested just to see what the breaking strength is for the Suffix 832 10 lb test.
@@Doodsaplenty That would be great thanks! You can send us a message via our website: linelaboratory.com/contact/
See my comment above. You do need to retie more often. But overall, thousands of fish pulled out of heavy cover. I use the 15 lb
User error😂
Love the test methodology, however I hope that you can standardise your test to 30lb(most common) for your test library so that it is the same baseline comparison across. Currently lines are tested for 15 lb, 8lb, 30lb etc.
Thank you. I understand your point about standardizing but but only testing 30lb line (or any other lb rating) wont achieve the standardization as what is printed on the box is generally so far from what the lines actually are, its pointless. One 30lb may break at 25lb, and another breaks at 60lb so they are not comparable directly. The standardization is the Tensile Strength, which takes the diameter and the breaking strain and standardizes it that way. I aim to test as many different types and sizes as possible so that if somebody is interested in a specific line, lets say 8lb, they can look at the results and know what brand will give them the characteristics they need.
@@thelinelaboratory I don't disagree with what your points but I do think that you are missing out on an easily standardised point which is the manufacturer stated break specification. Most of your viewers who look at your tests are looking to base their purchase decision on your test result, not having it standardise across an easily compared point makes it a lot harder. If I am staring at a wall of brands, and want to buy a certain poundage, I am going to look at your chart and want to easily estimate the results based on a standard. Sure we can try to extrapolate the results by taking the measured vs stated in percentage, but that that is a lot of extra steps and calculation as currently you test it at 6lb, 8lb, 15lb, 30 lb and etc we dont even know if it will extrapolate well went comparing across # ratings . E.g. Brand X might perform 200% of break strength at stated 8lb, but the same Brand might only have 150% break strength at stated 30lb.
At the same time, while we ideally standardize at actual break strength, it will take a copious amount of test permutations before such a standardisation can be achieved.
Don't get me wrong, it is merely a suggestion. I love the tests that you do and they are absolutely invaluable because I don't know of anyone remaining who still factors in actual line diameter in their test . Every bozo on youtube just takes manufacturer stated diameter and roll with it.
@@eloysiuschiang I completely understand your goal here and i agree that standardizing against a single rated poundage can be beneficial in the use case you proposed. Lets take that use case where somebody is looking for a 30lb line. Are you after a line thats RATED at 30lb or actually breaks at around 30lbs? There can be a huge difference. We have established that for 95% of lines, you can ignore what's printed on the box for the most part. Take the Jarvis Walker 30lb i tested, it breaks at 63lbs. Is that what you really want or do you want a line that actually breaks around 30lb? if you are after the latter, then go to my braid summary chart and pick something that is known to break around 30lbs. there are 11 lines that break between 26-36lbs, ranging from Powerpro 8lb (breaks at 26lbs) to a couple of Sufix and the AliExpress JBraid that break at 36lbs. None of these are rated at 30lbs on the box, they range from 8lb -> 25lbs.
I also agree that extrapolation may not be accurate, but unless i test every braid ever produced in every rating then we will need to make assumptions somewhere in the decision making process if your looking for something that hasn't been tested. If I was looking for a new line, i would first of all decided on what i was after, lets say it has a max break around 20lbs. I would then look at the Tensile Strength and work out what some of the top brands and products that are on the upper end of this scale, so choose a brand and line type that has a high tensile rating. I would then have my list of the top 5 line types. Next i would look at what strength line has been tested and what it actually broke at. If its been tested and broke at 20lb then thats my choice. If not, then we need some quick maths. If line X was tested, it has a great tensile strength but i have only tested it in 30lb, which broke at 40lb. Then i know that to reach my 20lb goal my closest guess would be a 15lb rated line from that brand.
This makes me thing that if there some way that i could take the data i already have, but use it in a way to make the decision process easier for the user? The data is all there, maybe i just need to slice and dice it differently? Open to suggestions.
@thelinelaboratory I think the difference in opinion here is that you are looking at chart usage purely from a tester/engineer point of view. The common folk are not gunning for IGFA titles and will look at manufacturer rated as common denominator. They will first look at the arbitrary 20lb lines that is available to them and decide to get the brand based on some influence of the test result. I.e. do they want to have thinner lines and go Japanese, or have more margins from the American brands.
The reality is that until deep credibility is somehow established, there will always be blind trust in manufacturers. This is common across all objective testing whether it be fishing lines or audio gear. Not to mention conventional wisdom is to set drag at 30% of rated line break.
No one is going to stretch to purchase an 8lb braid because your test says it breaks at 26lb- if they are looking to buy an arbitrary 20lb line. But it will definitely dissuade them from buying if they are looking to purchase an 8lb line because it's diameter is way overstated. Manufacturer spec are still more trustworthy in the minds of the consumer.
Therefore, it is important to standardise based on manufacturer line break spec because that will be what people base their purchase decision on , which is to trust the manufacturer rating, but shift their purchase decision across brands based on influence of your test. At present there is no standardisation therefore way too much extrapolation needed to be done. It is absolute bonkers to expect people to compare an 8lb PowerPoint vs a 30lb Japanese braid even if they test the same.
Have you ever tried testing Berkeley big game trilene 30lb braid?
Nope not yet
Could you do Seaguar Smackdown?
That would be an interesting one, however it doesn't seem to be available where I am located 😢
Power Pro next?
Power Pro SuperSlick v2 has already been tested, you can find it here: th-cam.com/video/c5WSpLSaKbQ/w-d-xo.html
Amazing, how is it compared to Varivas 10x10?
Thanks for the feedback! I am currently trying to get some Varivas to test, from all accounts it seems to be a really good braid so it will be interesting to see how it compares to the 832.
i want to pe small and strong,can you help me?i like pe 2.0 or 2.5.
I would suggest checking on the braid summary page on the website. There is a table that lists actual breaking strain, so narrow down to what range your after then look at tensile strength.
Hello mate,I have subscribed to your channel and i find it very interesting and useful. I bought the sufix 50 pound. So in base to your test i think it should develope something like 100 ,110 pound or I'm wrong? I would like to use for Pelagic fish in general. Thanks in advance for your reply and your efforts 😃💪🤙🤙
Hi Mario, its very hard to estimate what it would break at based on its rated strength only as they are typically so far off, but if Sufix lines are consistently breaking at +243% of their advertised strength then the 50lb should be up around 121lbs breaking strain.
Thanks so much for your reply, very appreciated 😃🤗🙏🤙🤙
Is this braid OK for salt water?
Yes absolutely
Why did this line go from #4 in your rankings to #21?
A few reasons, first we have tested another 100+ lines since we tested this one so the order is constantly changing. Additionally, when we released this video we were not testing and ranking the FG Knot which we are now. We did go back and do the FG test on this line to update its final ranking.
I just tested my new sufix 832. It's a pe1 26lb/12kg but break way before that... Around 6 to 7kg.
This braid is a scam
Despite the labeling inaccuracies which most manufacturers seem to suffer from, in my experience the 832 is actually a good braid. Its interesting that you found it broke UNDER whats on the label? This doesn’t seem consistent with my tests but I haven’t tested all of their weights. I don’t see a PE1/26lb available for the Sufix 832.
@@thelinelaboratory There is a version of Sufix 832 for the European market, PE1 is actually labled 26lb. Maybe it's really worth doing a comparison test between the products intended for the American and European markets, the line you have tested is labled 15lb and 0.22mm, in the EU version the PE2 of the Sufix 832 is labled 0.24mm and 39lb (is that the catch ...?) Daiwa and other companies also present different data for different markets and it's very confusing...
Yes the labeling is horrible in the braid market! The Rapala EU website states PE1 is 0.18mm 12kg/26lb which seems to correspond to US website 0.18mm (0.007”) 8lb line (3.6kg). Line Lab rested 0.22mm to break at 36lb (over 2x of the US 15lb rating). This confirms your 0.18mm breakage at 6-7kg (2x the US rating of 3.6kg). EU website is totally OFF. Go by diameter and what Line Lab measured.
Do I need to explain the birds and the bees?? Lol