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I remember hearing Ben Johnson saying that he never failed a test until he changed shoe company. Might not just countries that have the power to influence the tests
An honest, judgement-free conversation about this is important. It's big step and I'm not ready so I am going to watch some professional cycling instead.
maybe you are just referring to lance armstrong, but right now there are aome extremely young and powerful riders, as well as absolute freaks bagging victories left and right, whereas in cycling that should be jnheard of
@Lei Feng - 雷锋同志 China sent 8 weightlifters to the Olympics and 7 won gold in the most doped up sport in sports and broke 6 World Records. You have to truly be blinded by nationalism to not see the sketchiness.
An honest, fascinating insight into why and how certain athletes arrive the training hall looking like they’ve holidayed on the Planet Krypton. These guys are on fire. Every video they have done since moving into the new Ministry of SikaTruth HQ is flipping fantastic. Also, keep the new editor
@@sikastrength You guys are putting the US in the same bucket as other countries sometimes in order to not hurt any feelings and single anybody out and I get it, but Carl Lewis was from over 30 years ago. There are undoubtedly countries with certain characteristics that are more likely to dope than other's.
Half the weight lifters had been banned previously and come back. Lasha got a ban as a junior, right? Then just kept going up, despite "getting clean." Must've been all that chicken, broccoli, and rice.
No, Lasha is absolutely clean though. Only athletes from China, Russia are doping. Just kidding, he's obviously on some heavy shit. Heavier than the shit everyone else is on, and either experimental or so obscure that the tests can't detect it yet. He'll surely pop somewhere in the upcoming years, or maybe not. Either way we enjoy seeing him lifting those heavy weights.
Would love to see a breakdown of all the weight classes both male and female and see what you think would be attainable lifts and totals if they were natural, would be interesting to compare it to all the lifts and totals from the Olympics
I am so appreciative of the openness in this video (and your channel at large). And furthermore, I appreciate that you don’t demonize those countries and athletes for *possibly* doping
Honestly, where do you think the events of the past 4 years leave weightlifting in 2024? Will we just see the usual Bulgarians and Romanians held out as scapegoats while China and Lasha set WR's or will Tier 1 lifters ever have a chance at Olympic Gold in any class?
Incredible video!!! I've waited for this sooo long! Yes, everybody dopes on the highest level and might I add: it's not just when you're a senior athlete in your 20's. To become a world champion you have to start early and maybe after 10 yrs of incredibly hard work and doping you develop to the level to have a chance to win a medal.
Fascinating, really enjoyed your approach to the subject. The tiering levels were interesting. It is a horrid realisation of mine that my favourite athletes are most likely doping. It won’t stop me watching them lift.
Drug testing isn't really just a massive hindrance. Even in American collegiate athletics, there are so many easy ways to get around drug testing (I know this from first-hand experience).
@@112358miauno to be harsh American weightlifters just suck. People really neglect of thinking how gifted these other athletes outside the country are before doping them. We will get 1 every few million Americans that will give a sport like this time to become a world level athlete. On top of that the American has to be gifted physically with the dedication he or she gives. Female weightlifters in America are actually really great though. America also dosent fund a sport like weightlifting as much as other sports via basketball football etc.
@@davidkinslowfacts, if america held weightlifting as high of a regard as it did sprinting, it would most likely be a top country similar to China or Russia or Bulgaria is in Weightlifting. For a country to be great at sports it effectively needs a geneticly diverse population in order to increase the chances of having elite genetics, but it also has to funnel those elite genetics into a system for them to be effective. There is a reason why when big, wealth, countries invest in a certain sport, they become very good at it
How about cover some other sports also, like, swimming? I think for some reason there are too many western athletes having asthma and doing “legal doping”
I know for a fact that Russian Olympic Weightlifting team stops doping a few weeks before every major event and they had to pass internal drug tests first to compete. There is also a rumor that Klokov failed internal drug test and had to withdraw because of it. Also there are top athletes who used to get calls from the federation on the days when they were going to be "randomly" tested
Klokov keep hang snatching 200kg years after his retirement. Not sure any "clean" athletes from Western countries can do this. Doping is always a perfect excuse of mentally weak guys. Oh. Forgot to tell you that swming team of USA has many asthma swimmers, they are not doping, they use drugs legally. 😂
Kinda makes me glad I'm competing in strongman, even though I'm a natty manlet. At least we can talk openly about it all. Whether I lose by a meter to someone who is doping or by a mile to someone who is allowed to take shit... I think I prefer the latter bc it's honest, at least. And they in turn offer you more respect for what you can do without drugs. Just mutual respect.
Yeah good points made, however I find that title a bit misleading the whole video has only one small segment on China lol. But I agree with your points, is the similar points people make for baseball and any other professional sports. The important question is, could we, as viewers go back and see people lifting well below the records set and winning gold medals for a lot less weight? Obviously there are those lifters who are Gods amongst men but they area really rare.
There are videos on youtube of CJ Cummings lifting some impossible weights at 16 years old and looking skinny like hell... It's such an empty myth that American lifters are not doping...
Nobody thinks they’re ‘natty’ but they don’t use the way Russians and Chinese do, and if they ever get caught they’ll be hung out to dry, whereas people from other places will be supported by their country
we all know elite Olympians dope (in sports where the risk-reward is there) and there's probably a Chinese doping program (though "I've been hearing" doesn't count as evidence), but that doesn't explain their weightlifting dominance. China dominates sports like diving, ping pong and badminton where PED benefits are marginal at best, and dominate those even more than they do weightlifting, in the case of the first two, far, far more than weightlifting, and those two have probably the least benefit from PEDs. Their infrastructure for these sports is probably what matters far more given that everyone is cheating to various degrees.
@@22448824 because China cares most about the total number of golds and weightlifting/table tennis/diving/gymnastics allow them to train and select kids from a large talent pool since very young age and you get maximum number of medals per capita. Look at other team sports such as soccer and basketball where you have to invest much more money to coach a whole team for a single medal, you see team China being not as dominant if at all.
@@22448824 Actually, if anything, the Chinese dominance in only small to mid classes is moderate evidence that doping is LESS pervasive as most think - as the super heavies get the most benefit from steroid abuse since they can pack on endless mass with little to no concern for maintaining weight. But then again, China dominates all women's classes including super heavy, so maybe that point is moot. None of this changes the fact that since everyone at the top is on PEDs it means that the PED variable is (mostly) controlled for, and that the most likely reason for their success is a strategy built around focusing on sports with the most medals, as evidenced by their even further dominance in traditionally non-PED-based sports.
@@trtnec wrong. Everyone is on PEDs but as said in the video, their 3 dopers use gear into and during competition unlike their 2 who have to stop. The PED use is therefore not controlled for.
@@kimborampage again, there's two things - China being "tier 3" is all pure speculation without any hard evidence (hence why I said "I've been hearing" doesn't count as evidence) and these tiers are invented just for the purposes of this video. What we do have is strong evidence of PED use by other nations in weightlifting, and I'll even grant that China is as bad. Let's just assume they are the worst for your argument's sake (which again there's no evidence for other than results) - but then my 2nd point is they dominate three other sports far more than weightlifting, in which PED use has almost no benefit and given risk-reward would make no sense to use. When you take these two points together, it's clear that PED use is not the main driver for their dominance in any given sport.
@@trtnec well then you’re also speculating that these other sports don’t benefit from PEDs. And just because they do well in these sports means that they don’t juice hard in weightlifting? You’re not making sense.
I'd love to hear you guys talk about Laurence Vincent Lapointe, a Canadian sprint canoeist who got popped, won an appeal be probably because she's multiple times world champion, then failed to earn an Olympic quota, but got given one by canoe kayak Canada because she's their star athlete at the expense of another paddler
Great video and very informative. I also enjoyed the accents. Would like to know who are tier 1 athletes to give me an idea of realistic numbers to chase in Oly lifting for my weight.
This is such interesting topic. As a Chinese weightlifting fan i have some fun facts and thoughts. Right before 2008 Beijing Olympic the Chinese government hired a very advanced antidoping test agency and conducted scrutinized tests over all Chinese athletes, because it would simply be disgraceful as the games were in China. It’s safe to say there was no complicity in 2008. But still 3 weightlifting gold medalists were found positive in 2017. And they are all trained under the same coach who were later banned for life. Which made me realize that the Chinese weightlifting team does not operate in a unity. Each coach had their own strategies, resources or a dope supplier. Even when the government explicitly asked them not to dope, the coaches may had their own scheme. the motivation to dope does not necessarily come from the athletes or the government, it may comes from the coach. Since only one contestant can go to the olympics in each weight class, the competition exists among both athletes and coaches.
@@qinzhang9440 ok bots, i know u r trying to sway the narrative. But anyone who isnt a ccp bot clearly knows the ccp forces chinese athletes to dope from a young age before they even enter the olympics. Even the sports that the chinese athletes choose is heavily tailored to maximize medals. In USA, you compete out of your own free will and passion for the sport, whereas in China you are forced to compete in a certain sport and forced to dope. no one respects even china medals. USA even supported their athletes who dropped out citing mental health reasons, if chinese athletes even thought about this they would "disappear". One gold medal from a poor country is worth more than china's total medal tally. Cheating ur way to the top will never be respected. It isnt a coincidence that china won many gold medals in 2008 olympics where they could control the outcomes. Even though we all know u r trying to control and change the narrative, it will be hard cuz there are censors and distractions unlike the chinese internet.
As a Canadian, I remember the Ben Johnson, 1988 Seoul debacle. I also cringe at the Dubin Inquiry that followed. Poor Ben Johnson and all the other athletes who testified publicly and were vilified. No other country in the world had the integrity or stupidity to do what Canada did. I felt if Canada wanted an inquiry, do it in private; Don't ruin a dude's life! I have watched a few documentaries about that the 1988 final, and just how many athletes in that final were juiced. And Carl Lewis....barf... Ben remains gold in my books. Love your videos! Keep doing more of this kind of content.
All these weightlifting channels on TH-cam competing for our attention and this Alex guy is just sitting back raking it in like the king on top that he is
Nice video,it's possible to both love chinese weightlifting and agree to your arguments in this video!more important;there should absolutely be a pear of antlers over eoins head as well,maybe decorate them for Christmas?
I’m curious to hear what your guys opinion (and anyone else who cares to chime in) about Hidilyn Diaz re. doping. Her win came with numbers that I would consider elite or near elite. However I don’t know how much government or personal support would have been available to her for a comprehensive doping program. I’m not insinuating anything either way, but as one of the stories that really touched my heart in these Olympics thus far, I’m curious if anyone has any opinions regarding her historic win.
I oddly think natty for her. She definitely looks very natty aesthetically and doesn't have a deep voice/etc. One thing to remember for her is she was 30 years old, which I think for natties 30-35 is about your peak. She also only managed to put 10kg on her total since 2015 in Houston. For the 30-35 year old thing, a lot of the 1950s-1970s lifters hit peak numbers in their early 30s, it was only Bulgaria with their pharmacology that made 18 year old wonderkids the norm in this sport. So as the sport gets more natty (maybe?) I think we'll start seeing more medalists in their 30s again just because strength gained naturally is a slow process over a lot of years and you can't really beat time in.
@@GilBatesLovesyou not all PEDs are androgynous or masculinizing, and a lot of PEDs used in sports are deployed in different manners or are completely different for different purposes as physique vs performance. It wouldn’t make sense to take a drug that just makes you big and bloated. A visual test is never useful for PED testing outside of bodybuilding.
Yes. You’re apparently unaware that PEDs are not just for strength enhancement but for almost every athletic attribute. At the highest levels everyone is a freak of nature but today’s PEDs give you a major relative advantage over the other genetic freaks. Even the horses are doped in those “Olympic” competitions. The challenge is to name a sport where it doesn’t pay. Darts? Nope-I know what they take. Same thing archers and shooters take. Etc. Etc. Etc.
What is Sika nation’s opinion on Toshiki? I know Japan is super strict culturally on PEDs. But I know people think his squat is suspicious enough to think he’s doping.
Eh, surprisingly Japan as far as actual law does not outright ban steroids like USA. WADA sports still need to comply with any rules, but the shame isn't from taking steroids, it's from getting caught breaking a rule in the sport and the embarrassment that comes from that. Japan still has an internal antidoping agency and athletes do get popped internally within Japan. Toshiki I'm very conflicted on, as his strength and muscularity is more than his competitors taking more medals. But the fact he got so injured so much would in some ways point to not being enhanced, as using some HGH and peptides to heal that all quicker would be the logical thing to do. Hearing some of his interviews with him not even being able to really move his arm right, or the extreme shin splint pain, etc, maybe points to heavy painkiller use or just extreme pain tolerance, dunno.
Just remember: over the two Olympic cycles Russia were running a state sponsored doping programme, Team GB caught and then overtook them in the medals table.
In Belgium we have crazy atheletes like Wout Van Aert (cycling) who won a mountainstage, time trail and the final sprint stage on the champs elysee all in the same Tour the France. After winning multiple classic races in the start of the year, after cutting open his entire right quadricep two years ago... Or someone like Nafi Thiam who came close to breaking the hepthatlon WR and also won gold in Rio. Everyone in Belgium just assumes they are clean, while if a Russian/Chinese or any other "dirty" country would put up such performances, it would be 100% doping.
@@sikastrength China holds more cards than America does, in that China produces a significant portion of the worlds goods. The US military admitted their supply chain would collapse without Chinese goods. Obviously the current world situation with the virus shows how much power China has.
You guys are absolute psychics! I searched on TH-cam a couple days ago "Why are Chinese weightlifters so strong" and couldn't find a single video on the subject and then you guys made this video lol. Recently found and subscribed to this channel, love your content, just two down to earth guys talking about the sport they love! :)
China sends 8 athletes to Tokyo for weightlifting and they all medal. 7 Golds, 1 Silver... Their success is partially due to drugs (We would like to think they are natural because it is the Olympics) but also the Chinese sport system is different. They pick kids most of the time younger than 10 who are deemed to be genetically gifted or show talent in a specific sport. These kids train 5-7 days a week. When you have a population of over 1 billion people the competition would be immense. So not only do they have a strict training program, the top athletes are no stranger to tough competition. You look at sports like table tennis and diving no one in the world even comes close at times. China has over 100000 active competitive lifters.
It's the mainly drugs for weightlifting though. They literally just said so in the video. "China sends 8 athletes to Tokyo for weightlifting and they all medal. 7 Golds, 1 Silver..." How does nobody bat an eye to this. Like are they thinking it but not saying it?
@@edwardr8826 China has had a large presence in weightlifting for about 30 years now. China only sends athletes they know can get Gold. The same Chinese weightlifters that won Gold in Tokyo won Gold in either London or Rio too. They're just better than others
I would say Chinese success this Olympics is partially due to that they had a heads up on the epidemic and a lot of athletes had severely disrupted training this cycle, whereas Chinese athletes had the least disruption to their normal training.
@@henri.r94 It's never been this drastic in the past. Rio and London had more weight classes and China got only 5 gold medals there, and 7 total, vs 8 medals and 7 golds this Olympics with one weight class gone.
So if China or North Korea are a level 3 doping category how do they get passed the drugs tests at the actual Olympics as you said they don’t let any drug testers into the country but at the Olympics they can’t avoid it surely?
DPRK has lifters that failed OOC doping tests, though. Look at the IWF sanctions list. While it's obvious a North Korean has a better chance of freely doping compared to a British or an American person, DPRK is not as closed as people would expect and they still have to at least pretend they're playing by the rules. Same with China, they have their internal antidoping agency but even they have to let external antidoping testers in occasionally. What they're saying is, DPRK does not have the money and international clout/recognition to bribe or put pressure on antidoping committees, whereas China does, as they're a major superpower. It's not even about sending specific money, it's more that antidoping is often done as retaliation/favors for other political things completely unrelated to sports. For example, Russia is getting punished for their military actions in Ukraine, Georgia, and Syria. China can't be punished as the world is reliant on foreign trade with China, so if you "expose" all of the problems in China you end up ultimately hurting yourself more than you would China, as China has more retaliatory power in that scenario.
Drugs or no drugs, there is no steroid that makes athletes immune to mental pressure. One of the most interesting aspects of these sessions in Tokyo to me has been the bomb outs. So do you guys think Simone pissed hot?
@@germanrud9904 An irony is that might be true. Even if her TUE allowed her that medicine, Japan has a zero tolerance policy toward any personal importation of amphetamines, even with a US prescription, there's no way to bring them over legally for any reason.
I just hope more people talk about this and thus there will be way more awareness - I just think that the current situation benefits athletes from certain countries a lot more and the other athletes from those other countries with stricter testing and without a system to hold their hand just can't keep up. I don't think this is beneficial for the sport to just be silent about that. Hopefully more will speak up! Good video
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I remember hearing Ben Johnson saying that he never failed a test until he changed shoe company. Might not just countries that have the power to influence the tests
Nike Oregon project
@Eight Francs is it on TH-cam?
Without A Doubt!
An honest, judgement-free conversation about this is important. It's big step and I'm not ready so I am going to watch some professional cycling instead.
Thanks for being open and honest Case.
Professional Weightlifting is basically professional Cycling
True
@@BrianKellyisGay So I think French, English cyclists are all doping, right?
maybe you are just referring to lance armstrong, but right now there are aome extremely young and powerful riders, as well as absolute freaks bagging victories left and right, whereas in cycling that should be jnheard of
Don't change lads. The channel is going to grow, don't let that stop you being dangerous.
That means a lot! Thank you!
fucking hell i tought it would be a chanel close to a mill of subs now
The antler placement on the wall is impeccable (2:30)
He does it on purpose, I swear!
Tier Tree,
because, as MPMD would say:
"They're sauced out of their friggin' tree!"
@Lei Feng - 雷锋同志 Haha. They're sauced to the gills
@Lei Feng - 雷锋同志 China sent 8 weightlifters to the Olympics and 7 won gold in the most doped up sport in sports and broke 6 World Records. You have to truly be blinded by nationalism to not see the sketchiness.
Course it’s the Chinese guy denying it 😂
An honest, fascinating insight into why and how certain athletes arrive the training hall looking like they’ve holidayed on the Planet Krypton. These guys are on fire. Every video they have done since moving into the new Ministry of SikaTruth HQ is flipping fantastic. Also, keep the new editor
Is it fair that Eoin doesn't get a pair of antlers?
Thanks Wendell, I've been saying the exact same thing!
Damn, I wanted to ask the same question.
Gender equality for the sika deers. Eoin took it upon himself to be the Doe to Daires Stag
@@sikastrength You guys are putting the US in the same bucket as other countries sometimes in order to not hurt any feelings and single anybody out and I get it, but Carl Lewis was from over 30 years ago. There are undoubtedly countries with certain characteristics that are more likely to dope than other's.
Half the weight lifters had been banned previously and come back. Lasha got a ban as a junior, right? Then just kept going up, despite "getting clean."
Must've been all that chicken, broccoli, and rice.
Yeah lasha got suspended for two years due to doping... Then came back and absolutely SMASHED his old record were he was doping ... Like bruh 😂😂
No, Lasha is absolutely clean though. Only athletes from China, Russia are doping.
Just kidding, he's obviously on some heavy shit. Heavier than the shit everyone else is on, and either experimental or so obscure that the tests can't detect it yet. He'll surely pop somewhere in the upcoming years, or maybe not. Either way we enjoy seeing him lifting those heavy weights.
Would love to see a breakdown of all the weight classes both male and female and see what you think would be attainable lifts and totals if they were natural, would be interesting to compare it to all the lifts and totals from the Olympics
I am so appreciative of the openness in this video (and your channel at large). And furthermore, I appreciate that you don’t demonize those countries and athletes for *possibly* doping
Honestly, where do you think the events of the past 4 years leave weightlifting in 2024? Will we just see the usual Bulgarians and Romanians held out as scapegoats while China and Lasha set WR's or will Tier 1 lifters ever have a chance at Olympic Gold in any class?
I watched this video and I'm like "wow this is a lot more pleasurable viewing experience"
Hahahahaha yes. Alex will be chuffed.
They’re success is due to the fact they eat clen and tren hard.
Dumb as I am I was about to comment on your spelling… Fucking hell, hahaha!
I also read this as the correct spelling and thought here we fucking go 🤣
@@sikastrength 😄😄😄😄
@@sikastrength glad I’m not the only one! Couldn’t handle more people not accepting how doped the athletes are 😂.
tren hard indeed... :D
Holy crap I didn't realize you guys only have 14k subs!? This channel comes off much higher quality than 14k subs! Keep up the good work guys!!
Incredible video!!! I've waited for this sooo long! Yes, everybody dopes on the highest level and might I add: it's not just when you're a senior athlete in your 20's. To become a world champion you have to start early and maybe after 10 yrs of incredibly hard work and doping you develop to the level to have a chance to win a medal.
Hard to hear exactly what is being said over Fitz DEAFENING breathing
Not watched this video yet, but.... You're the predominant voice in my head.
Commenting for the algorithm. Love the sh*t talk podcast.
Thanks
Fascinating, really enjoyed your approach to the subject. The tiering levels were interesting. It is a horrid realisation of mine that my favourite athletes are most likely doping. It won’t stop me watching them lift.
Drug testing isn't really just a massive hindrance. Even in American collegiate athletics, there are so many easy ways to get around drug testing (I know this from first-hand experience).
But...werent american weightlifters the only cean team? Wasnt that the reason behind their lack of medals for years?
Nah those crossfitters are juiced to the tits
@@112358miauno to be harsh American weightlifters just suck. People really neglect of thinking how gifted these other athletes outside the country are before doping them. We will get 1 every few million Americans that will give a sport like this time to become a world level athlete. On top of that the American has to be gifted physically with the dedication he or she gives. Female weightlifters in America are actually really great though. America also dosent fund a sport like weightlifting as much as other sports via basketball football etc.
@@112358miaualso a recent American athlete that got popped was Ian Wilson and everyone was convinced he was natty for years.
@@davidkinslowfacts, if america held weightlifting as high of a regard as it did sprinting, it would most likely be a top country similar to China or Russia or Bulgaria is in Weightlifting. For a country to be great at sports it effectively needs a geneticly diverse population in order to increase the chances of having elite genetics, but it also has to funnel those elite genetics into a system for them to be effective. There is a reason why when big, wealth, countries invest in a certain sport, they become very good at it
How about cover some other sports also, like, swimming? I think for some reason there are too many western athletes having asthma and doing “legal doping”
Yeah it just so happens that 95% of elite endurance athletes have asthma.
Sikastan follows the 10 tier, you gotta be doped just to enter the country
You gotta be doped to be born there
Can you confirm the rumors that Under Armour has you signed to a six-figure endorsement? Enjoyed the video. Great work as always lads.
There is no comment at this time.
The Sikastan branch of UA is NOT despite recent rumours confirmed.
“We just don’t care” reality slapping some people.
I know for a fact that Russian Olympic Weightlifting team stops doping a few weeks before every major event and they had to pass internal drug tests first to compete. There is also a rumor that Klokov failed internal drug test and had to withdraw because of it.
Also there are top athletes who used to get calls from the federation on the days when they were going to be "randomly" tested
Klokov keep hang snatching 200kg years after his retirement.
Not sure any "clean" athletes from Western countries can do this.
Doping is always a perfect excuse of mentally weak guys.
Oh. Forgot to tell you that swming team of USA has many asthma swimmers, they are not doping, they use drugs legally. 😂
I might be a little late to this, but this is a such an honest podcast. Good job!
Thumbs up for just having this authentic discussion👍🏾
Wow, this is a lot more pleasurable viewing experience. Thanks Alex 👍🏻
"Lifters from this country can't be doping because look at how often they get tested!"
*Broderick Chavez has entered the chat*
It's always a pleasurable viewing experience when there's two of you sitting together
"what do people twist, nipples?" - gurph 2021
*googles definition of Freudian slip*
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... Nailed it! (pardon the pun)
15:15 the IOC twisted his arm, not nipples, to milk him
Italy is sus af atm. Opinions?
If it walks like a duck
If it quacks like a duck
If it looks like a duck
It's probably a juiced up duck...
i dont care im happy to finally see italians in weightlifting. Forza italia!!
True, good to see europeans medal in olympics at weightlifting.
@@zennappi yeah I mean, fuck it, i like how the Italians lift.
@@sikastrength ye I got it :D
Kinda makes me glad I'm competing in strongman, even though I'm a natty manlet.
At least we can talk openly about it all. Whether I lose by a meter to someone who is doping or by a mile to someone who is allowed to take shit... I think I prefer the latter bc it's honest, at least. And they in turn offer you more respect for what you can do without drugs. Just mutual respect.
@ C-Dun Fitness people under 6'4 don't exist?
@C-Dun Fitness It's a joke. I've never cared about height. But people can make jokes. I even call us 80s strongmanlets. It's funny.
I was literally just noticing the breathing when Eoin pointed it out haha. Excellent antler placement btw.
I like the editing, not distracting but looks pretty decent.
Excellent, thanks for the feedback
Honestly cool information to have
Edit: the editing looks good!
Yeah good points made, however I find that title a bit misleading the whole video has only one small segment on China lol. But I agree with your points, is the similar points people make for baseball and any other professional sports. The important question is, could we, as viewers go back and see people lifting well below the records set and winning gold medals for a lot less weight? Obviously there are those lifters who are Gods amongst men but they area really rare.
After the first week of the games, do you think there is any sports standing out already as suspect? Rowing, Judo, Cycling?
There are videos on youtube of CJ Cummings lifting some impossible weights at 16 years old and looking skinny like hell... It's such an empty myth that American lifters are not doping...
He's black so he's natty, assuming otherwise would be racist
@@roofuscunnilingus8049 :D
@@roofuscunnilingus8049 that's so funny
Nobody thinks they’re ‘natty’ but they don’t use the way Russians and Chinese do, and if they ever get caught they’ll be hung out to dry, whereas people from other places will be supported by their country
Greatly appreciated both the discussion and the sneaky 🌲
we all know elite Olympians dope (in sports where the risk-reward is there) and there's probably a Chinese doping program (though "I've been hearing" doesn't count as evidence), but that doesn't explain their weightlifting dominance. China dominates sports like diving, ping pong and badminton where PED benefits are marginal at best, and dominate those even more than they do weightlifting, in the case of the first two, far, far more than weightlifting, and those two have probably the least benefit from PEDs. Their infrastructure for these sports is probably what matters far more given that everyone is cheating to various degrees.
@@22448824 because China cares most about the total number of golds and weightlifting/table tennis/diving/gymnastics allow them to train and select kids from a large talent pool since very young age and you get maximum number of medals per capita.
Look at other team sports such as soccer and basketball where you have to invest much more money to coach a whole team for a single medal, you see team China being not as dominant if at all.
@@22448824 Actually, if anything, the Chinese dominance in only small to mid classes is moderate evidence that doping is LESS pervasive as most think - as the super heavies get the most benefit from steroid abuse since they can pack on endless mass with little to no concern for maintaining weight. But then again, China dominates all women's classes including super heavy, so maybe that point is moot.
None of this changes the fact that since everyone at the top is on PEDs it means that the PED variable is (mostly) controlled for, and that the most likely reason for their success is a strategy built around focusing on sports with the most medals, as evidenced by their even further dominance in traditionally non-PED-based sports.
@@trtnec wrong. Everyone is on PEDs but as said in the video, their 3 dopers use gear into and during competition unlike their 2 who have to stop. The PED use is therefore not controlled for.
@@kimborampage again, there's two things - China being "tier 3" is all pure speculation without any hard evidence (hence why I said "I've been hearing" doesn't count as evidence) and these tiers are invented just for the purposes of this video. What we do have is strong evidence of PED use by other nations in weightlifting, and I'll even grant that China is as bad. Let's just assume they are the worst for your argument's sake (which again there's no evidence for other than results) - but then my 2nd point is they dominate three other sports far more than weightlifting, in which PED use has almost no benefit and given risk-reward would make no sense to use. When you take these two points together, it's clear that PED use is not the main driver for their dominance in any given sport.
@@trtnec well then you’re also speculating that these other sports don’t benefit from PEDs. And just because they do well in these sports means that they don’t juice hard in weightlifting? You’re not making sense.
Wow, this is a lot more of a pleasurable viewing experience lads.
what proportion of sports/athletes at this years olympics would you predict to be clean/enhanced?
I'd love to hear you guys talk about Laurence Vincent Lapointe, a Canadian sprint canoeist who got popped, won an appeal be probably because she's multiple times world champion, then failed to earn an Olympic quota, but got given one by canoe kayak Canada because she's their star athlete at the expense of another paddler
Great video and very informative. I also enjoyed the accents.
Would like to know who are tier 1 athletes to give me an idea of realistic numbers to chase in Oly lifting for my weight.
This is such interesting topic. As a Chinese weightlifting fan i have some fun facts and thoughts. Right before 2008 Beijing Olympic the Chinese government hired a very advanced antidoping test agency and conducted scrutinized tests over all Chinese athletes, because it would simply be disgraceful as the games were in China. It’s safe to say there was no complicity in 2008. But still 3 weightlifting gold medalists were found positive in 2017. And they are all trained under the same coach who were later banned for life. Which made me realize that the Chinese weightlifting team does not operate in a unity. Each coach had their own strategies, resources or a dope supplier. Even when the government explicitly asked them not to dope, the coaches may had their own scheme. the motivation to dope does not necessarily come from the athletes or the government, it may comes from the coach. Since only one contestant can go to the olympics in each weight class, the competition exists among both athletes and coaches.
actually each country can only send max 4 male and 4 female athletes under olympics rules, so not one for each weight classes.
@@yuema2078 isn't the max 4 per sex max a new rule though?
This is true, it was this inter-sport politics that lead to Liao Hui getting caught for boldenone after he was setup.
@@yuema2078 I mean to win more gold medals China only send one for each class.
@@qinzhang9440 ok bots, i know u r trying to sway the narrative. But anyone who isnt a ccp bot clearly knows the ccp forces chinese athletes to dope from a young age before they even enter the olympics. Even the sports that the chinese athletes choose is heavily tailored to maximize medals. In USA, you compete out of your own free will and passion for the sport, whereas in China you are forced to compete in a certain sport and forced to dope. no one respects even china medals. USA even supported their athletes who dropped out citing mental health reasons, if chinese athletes even thought about this they would "disappear". One gold medal from a poor country is worth more than china's total medal tally. Cheating ur way to the top will never be respected. It isnt a coincidence that china won many gold medals in 2008 olympics where they could control the outcomes. Even though we all know u r trying to control and change the narrative, it will be hard cuz there are censors and distractions unlike the chinese internet.
As a Canadian, I remember the Ben Johnson, 1988 Seoul debacle. I also cringe at the Dubin Inquiry that followed. Poor Ben Johnson and all the other athletes who testified publicly and were vilified. No other country in the world had the integrity or stupidity to do what Canada did. I felt if Canada wanted an inquiry, do it in private; Don't ruin a dude's life!
I have watched a few documentaries about that the 1988 final, and just how many athletes in that final were juiced.
And Carl Lewis....barf...
Ben remains gold in my books.
Love your videos! Keep doing more of this kind of content.
This video seems like all other videos "a very pleasurable experience" as always
wow, this is a lot more pleasurable viewing experience (:
Woah, this is a lot more pleasurable viewing experience
Is it essentially the same for organizations like IPF?
Smh CJ and Lasha have never taken anything ever, and this comment is not for the algorithm
bruv i am so overwhelmed w nationalist rage about this suggestion and this comment is assuredly not jsut for the algorithm
This was a much more pleasurable viewing experience 👍
This is a pleasurable viewing experience
What are your thoughts on Boady Santavy?
All these weightlifting channels on TH-cam competing for our attention and this Alex guy is just sitting back raking it in like the king on top that he is
I am leaving a comment because its great for the algorithm.
Chinese weightlifting is best weightlifting... Lu for gold
I may or may not be on the Email list to notify me when the team China singlets come back in stock on Luxiojun barbell…..
Nice video,it's possible to both love chinese weightlifting and agree to your arguments in this video!more important;there should absolutely be a pear of antlers over eoins head as well,maybe decorate them for Christmas?
Great insights, thanks!
Wow this was a lot more pleasurable viewer experience
great content boys. keep it up
Highly pleasurable viewing experience.
What tier would TUEs be in? I have a feeling a lot of the more western athletes go this route.
Fitz was breathing way too loud here, honestly I couldn't hear a word of what Gurph said the whole video
I’m curious to hear what your guys opinion (and anyone else who cares to chime in) about Hidilyn Diaz re. doping. Her win came with numbers that I would consider elite or near elite. However I don’t know how much government or personal support would have been available to her for a comprehensive doping program. I’m not insinuating anything either way, but as one of the stories that really touched my heart in these Olympics thus far, I’m curious if anyone has any opinions regarding her historic win.
I read an interesting article about how she was purposely losing in meets prior to the Olympics to fool the Chinese.
I oddly think natty for her. She definitely looks very natty aesthetically and doesn't have a deep voice/etc. One thing to remember for her is she was 30 years old, which I think for natties 30-35 is about your peak. She also only managed to put 10kg on her total since 2015 in Houston. For the 30-35 year old thing, a lot of the 1950s-1970s lifters hit peak numbers in their early 30s, it was only Bulgaria with their pharmacology that made 18 year old wonderkids the norm in this sport. So as the sport gets more natty (maybe?) I think we'll start seeing more medalists in their 30s again just because strength gained naturally is a slow process over a lot of years and you can't really beat time in.
@@GilBatesLovesyou not all PEDs are androgynous or masculinizing, and a lot of PEDs used in sports are deployed in different manners or are completely different for different purposes as physique vs performance. It wouldn’t make sense to take a drug that just makes you big and bloated. A visual test is never useful for PED testing outside of bodybuilding.
How long does it take to clear their systems,. Are most custom made and hard to test for.
Bring back the evil genius! Viva Chavez!
What is weightlifting? I got redirected here from the Sikastan nationality test.
What about China's dominance in sports like Badminton and Table Tennis? Would you also attribute it to their ability to keep their athletes on PEDs?
Yes. You’re apparently unaware that PEDs are not just for strength enhancement but for almost every athletic attribute. At the highest levels everyone is a freak of nature but today’s PEDs give you a major relative advantage over the other genetic freaks. Even the horses are doped in those “Olympic” competitions. The challenge is to name a sport where it doesn’t pay. Darts? Nope-I know what they take. Same thing archers and shooters take. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Great video boys 👍🏻
Anyone know where Fitz got that shirt?
I had no idea ... very informative ...
Can you tell Why Rússia could compete on the olympics under a differebt name but Romania couldn't?
what do you think about drugs in other sports, like boxing. Do you think they dope
What is Sika nation’s opinion on Toshiki? I know Japan is super strict culturally on PEDs. But I know people think his squat is suspicious enough to think he’s doping.
@@scottessery100 I think Clarence was just being nice. He even joked "His clean and jerk is natty, but his squat isn't."
Eh, surprisingly Japan as far as actual law does not outright ban steroids like USA. WADA sports still need to comply with any rules, but the shame isn't from taking steroids, it's from getting caught breaking a rule in the sport and the embarrassment that comes from that. Japan still has an internal antidoping agency and athletes do get popped internally within Japan.
Toshiki I'm very conflicted on, as his strength and muscularity is more than his competitors taking more medals. But the fact he got so injured so much would in some ways point to not being enhanced, as using some HGH and peptides to heal that all quicker would be the logical thing to do. Hearing some of his interviews with him not even being able to really move his arm right, or the extreme shin splint pain, etc, maybe points to heavy painkiller use or just extreme pain tolerance, dunno.
This is an entirely genuine comment, definitely not to help work the algo
Why does Daire always look like he just woke up 😅 Top class content, fellas, as always. 👍
Just remember: over the two Olympic cycles Russia were running a state sponsored doping programme, Team GB caught and then overtook them in the medals table.
wrg, pgskn idts, fku rubbisx losers
In Belgium we have crazy atheletes like Wout Van Aert (cycling) who won a mountainstage, time trail and the final sprint stage on the champs elysee all in the same Tour the France. After winning multiple classic races in the start of the year, after cutting open his entire right quadricep two years ago... Or someone like Nafi Thiam who came close to breaking the hepthatlon WR and also won gold in Rio.
Everyone in Belgium just assumes they are clean, while if a Russian/Chinese or any other "dirty" country would put up such performances, it would be 100% doping.
This is what the people want to hear.
What do people twist?
Very good editing
Very good point about Tier 2 vs Tier 3 doping, countries with political clout can be a lot more brazen with drug use.
Really missed the Zack rage… but this such a fascinating topic.
Estimated % of lifters per tier?
It’s extremely telling when they get busted fer doping and their totals still consistently after they get back from the bans
Kinda like Lasha?
@@areyouusingthatsquatrack8256 lasha clean watchu mean
I have a lot of training experience. Over TREN years!
You mentioned some info on the connection between Kazakhstan and Aján. Any thoughts on how China gets their political clout?
Who knows... Nukes I guess.
@@sikastrength the US got NUKES, but its atheletes still got busted for doping
@@sikastrength China holds more cards than America does, in that China produces a significant portion of the worlds goods. The US military admitted their supply chain would collapse without Chinese goods. Obviously the current world situation with the virus shows how much power China has.
Alex is sikastan aproved
Thank you for spelling this out for all the absolute dunces out there. Top video, lads!
You told me to leave a comment, so here I am.
You guys are absolute psychics! I searched on TH-cam a couple days ago "Why are Chinese weightlifters so strong" and couldn't find a single video on the subject and then you guys made this video lol. Recently found and subscribed to this channel, love your content, just two down to earth guys talking about the sport they love! :)
lookin lean and mean, well done boys
What tier is Zack?
1 through 3
But how do you know all this? 👀
China sends 8 athletes to Tokyo for weightlifting and they all medal. 7 Golds, 1 Silver...
Their success is partially due to drugs (We would like to think they are natural because it is the Olympics) but also the Chinese sport system is different. They pick kids most of the time younger than 10 who are deemed to be genetically gifted or show talent in a specific sport. These kids train 5-7 days a week. When you have a population of over 1 billion people the competition would be immense. So not only do they have a strict training program, the top athletes are no stranger to tough competition. You look at sports like table tennis and diving no one in the world even comes close at times. China has over 100000 active competitive lifters.
It's the mainly drugs for weightlifting though. They literally just said so in the video.
"China sends 8 athletes to Tokyo for weightlifting and they all medal. 7 Golds, 1 Silver..."
How does nobody bat an eye to this. Like are they thinking it but not saying it?
@@edwardr8826 China has had a large presence in weightlifting for about 30 years now.
China only sends athletes they know can get Gold. The same Chinese weightlifters that won Gold in Tokyo won Gold in either London or Rio too. They're just better than others
I would say Chinese success this Olympics is partially due to that they had a heads up on the epidemic and a lot of athletes had severely disrupted training this cycle, whereas Chinese athletes had the least disruption to their normal training.
@@henri.r94 It's never been this drastic in the past. Rio and London had more weight classes and China got only 5 gold medals there, and 7 total, vs 8 medals and 7 golds this Olympics with one weight class gone.
So if China or North Korea are a level 3 doping category how do they get passed the drugs tests at the actual Olympics as you said they don’t let any drug testers into the country but at the Olympics they can’t avoid it surely?
DPRK has lifters that failed OOC doping tests, though. Look at the IWF sanctions list. While it's obvious a North Korean has a better chance of freely doping compared to a British or an American person, DPRK is not as closed as people would expect and they still have to at least pretend they're playing by the rules. Same with China, they have their internal antidoping agency but even they have to let external antidoping testers in occasionally.
What they're saying is, DPRK does not have the money and international clout/recognition to bribe or put pressure on antidoping committees, whereas China does, as they're a major superpower. It's not even about sending specific money, it's more that antidoping is often done as retaliation/favors for other political things completely unrelated to sports. For example, Russia is getting punished for their military actions in Ukraine, Georgia, and Syria. China can't be punished as the world is reliant on foreign trade with China, so if you "expose" all of the problems in China you end up ultimately hurting yourself more than you would China, as China has more retaliatory power in that scenario.
Drugs or no drugs, there is no steroid that makes athletes immune to mental pressure. One of the most interesting aspects of these sessions in Tokyo to me has been the bomb outs.
So do you guys think Simone pissed hot?
She wasn't allowed to take her Adderall and use it there. Pretty obvious.
@@germanrud9904 An irony is that might be true. Even if her TUE allowed her that medicine, Japan has a zero tolerance policy toward any personal importation of amphetamines, even with a US prescription, there's no way to bring them over legally for any reason.
We love Alex
in swimming as well. Phelps is the next Lance Armstrong
I just hope more people talk about this and thus there will be way more awareness - I just think that the current situation benefits athletes from certain countries a lot more and the other athletes from those other countries with stricter testing and without a system to hold their hand just can't keep up. I don't think this is beneficial for the sport to just be silent about that. Hopefully more will speak up! Good video