🇬🇧 🇻🇳 🇹🇭 🇮🇩 Initial NG ŋ ง is NOT Optional - How to Pronounce it Once and For All Viet Thai Indo

I put the TikTok clip out yesterday as a bit of fun showing different languages' use of initial "ng" - Vietnamese, Thai, and Indonesian - but actually, it's a feature in many languages in this part of the world: Cantonese, Khmer, Thai, Lao, Indonesian, Malay, Tagalog, and many Austronesian languages like Tongan, Samoan, and Maori. This is one sound you can't fudge and hope you'll get away with it. In this clip, I go through how to gradually build the muscles up to be able to take control of your tongue and your throat and finally pronounce the initial "ng" correctly.
Also, for anyone who wants to send a voice sample as mentioned in the clip to be analysed in a future clip, PM me.
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[@ifanismail6564]

It was a mindblowing moment when I encountered several westerners who couldn't pronounce initial "ng", since... well, it rolls so naturally for us and can barely comprehend how anyone can have any difficulties pronouncing it. One of those "the-world-is-so-vast" moments.

[@gooha168]

อัจฉริยะทางด้านภาษาโดยแท้จริง

[@johnrambo2562]

อาจารย์เก่งมากครับ

[@kilanspeaks]

Always look forward to your videos! I'm Indonesian trying to learn Thai and I'm stuck at the very start LOL. I noticed that even the pronunciation of something as simple as the /a/ sound is quite different. Indonesian /a/ is basically like the Spanish /a/, but Thai pronunciation is more backwards and nasal, which I don't always manage, so I don't sound right when I try to pronounce Thai words 😞
I noticed the same thing in this video too. Your pronunciation of /ŋ/ is very nasal, which sounds exaggerated for my Indonesian ears. While I know it works for Thai and Vietnamese, but is challenging for me as an Indonesian speaker to produce the same sound. I can manage it, but I have to make a conscious effort to pronounce it backwards and make it sound nasal, and after a while I get tired and fall back into my usual Indonesian pronunciation. 😪
TL;DR I think the /ŋ/ sound is pronounced from the front in Indonesian and other Austronesian languages ​​and sounds less dramatic, so I'm having trouble with the more nasal /ŋ/ sound. If anyone could give me a tip on this, I would be very grateful. 🙏

[@BBP_BKK]

I'm native Thai. I don't speak Indonesian (yet) but from how I hear it, I think Thai /a/ is lower (more open) than Indonesian one. If you go to the "IPA vowel chart with audio" on wikipedia, Indonesian /a/ sounds more like [ɐ] to me while the Thai one sounds like [ä]. I don't think it's more nasal though. Well, I mean I don't even know how to control or do more/less nasal sounds. And I'm sure that Thai /a/ isn't nasal.
As for the /ŋ/, I don't think it's more or less nasal too. It's the place of articulation if you ask me. Listening the examples on the "IPA consonant chart with audio" on wikipedia, Indonesian /k/ /g/ /ŋ/ seems to be velar consonants while Thai ones, I believe, are uvular consonants. This difference is also the reason English speakers sound so foreign when they pronounce /kʰ/ sound as English /k/ ([kʰ]) is so forward (almost the middle of palate) than Thai /kʰ/ ([qʰ]). I always tell my friends to try to pronounce Thai ก ข ค ง more backward.
So, for Indonesian vs Thai, if I'm correct on the point above, you should focus on the place of articulation rather than how much nasal the sound should be. Trying to use the very back of your tongue to touch the very back of your palate should do the trick.

[@RekimNZ]

Another excellent video SJR. I'm learning Thai, my (Native Thai) Kru, we spent a week making me learn the NG sound, best practice ever. And.... I bet 95% of your viewers were just watching your mouth during this clip :D I was :)

[@andrewdunbar828]

Initial "ng" is the single easiest foreign sound for me. Will be back in Malaysia for a few months in six days and then back to Thailand. These sounds will get plenty of practice. Ngopi!!

[@Huffuw]

ผมขอเรียกอาจารย์เจ นะครับ
เก่งภาษาไทย และ สำเนียงการออกเสียงเป๊ะเลยครับ แถมยังรู้ถึงความมหัศจรรย์ของอักษรภาษาไทย - สระ - พยัญชนะ
ผมเจ้าของภาษาไทย ยังได้แค่ 60%
อาจารย์เจ 90% แล้วครับ

[@StuartJayRaj]

ขอบคุณมากๆๆๆครับ :)

[@เฉลิมพลขุนเพิ่ม-ร9ฃ]

ขอบคุณอาจารย์มากครับที่เผยแพร่วัฒนธรรมไทยภาษาไทยให้ทั่วโลกได้รู้จัก

[@Blacky-NZ]

Exciting Stu 99.2 nearly there

[@Rockstar_lisaaa]

สุดยอดครับอาจารย์🙏🏻🇹🇭💕

[@tediafrians]

The first video I saw on your channel is about initial NG sound, the old one.

[@Freedom-ie7qr]

อาจารย์ ลองศึกษา ลายสือไทย หรือยังครับ

[@kkamiya9038]

The initial Ng sound is facing extinction in Cantonese, especially in Hong Kong.

[@ซ้อนกลิ่นหอมมาก]

สวัสดีคะอาจารย์ ชอบดูช่องของอาจารย์สอนภาษาได้รับความรู้ดีมากๆเลยคะ

[@kasparernst995]

If voice dictation (for example google translate) understands me, can I assume I pronounce it correctly? would you consider practicing with voice dictation an efficient way to improve the pronunciation of a language? thanks

[@StuartJayRaj]

not necessarily.. but it's a good milestone. Google's Thai speech to text is surprisingly robust and gives a lot of leeway.

[@Eyes_Unclouded]

Is it free to send a voice clip for the analysis video?

[@frazerhainsworth08]

I never found ''ng'' sound hard alothough sometimes i forget if a word starts with "Nor Nhuu" (น) or "Nor Ngu" (ง) But actually forming the sound i found quite easily. I can not roll my Rs though even after years of practice in front of the mirror, fortunatly this is optional

[@StuartJayRaj]

yes! luckily rolled R's are more optional accessories 😂

[@dussaneekhengpimon625]

อาจารย์ผู้เชี่ยวชาญด้านภาษา

[@eyetusta]

งาน ง่ายๆ ไง เงา งับ งุ้ย งู้ย เงาะ ง่ะ งั้น ง่า งี่ เง่า งุ งิ

[@siriboonkotchaseth297]

สุดยอดครับ อาจารย์ เจ.

[@AstraFleur]

🇵🇭 ngek-ngek mo. 😮

[@JeffreyHanson-bi6mm]

Can I do one for Mandarin Chinese?

[@gunjchowwiwat8357]

สวัสดี​ครับ​

[@Izzy-g7t]

I've frankly never understood why people find this difficult.

[@kisa]

for tagalog i get stuck with ñ and ng, i can say ñ easily but when i try to say ng i say ñ instead

[@bpin5191]

ได้ยินมานานว่า ง.งูออกเสียงยากสำหรับต่างชาติบางประเทศ แต่เวลาได้ยินชาวต่างชาติเหล่านั้นพูด ง.งู เขาก็พูดชัดปกตินะ แค่สำเนียงที่ไม่เหมือน ตกลงมันออกเสียงยากจริง ๆ เหรอ

[@ItsPForPea]

ง. เป็นพยัญชนะต้นครับ (Initial consonants)
ภาษายุโรปส่วนมากมีเสียง ง. แค่เป็นพยัญชนะตาม (Final consonant)
ถามว่ามันต่างขนาดนั้นเลยหรอ ก็ลองออกเสียงคำว่ากอล์ฟให้ ฟ. ฟันตรงท้ายมันมีเสียงเหมือน ฟ. ฟันในคำว่าฟันดูครับ
ถึงจะมีเสียงนั้น ๆ ในภาษา แต่ถ้ามันอยู่แต่ตำแหน่งต้น/กลาง/ท้าย พอมาเรียนภาษาอื่นที่มันอยู่ในตำแหน่งอื่น ๆ ได้ มันก็ต้องมาเรียนรู้เสียงนั้นเพิ่มอยู่ดี

[@bpin5191]

​@@ItsPForPea เราก็หมายถึงพยัญชนะต้นนั่นแหละค่ะ ได้ยินต่างชาติพูดคำว่า งู งาน เงิน บ่อย ๆ ก็เห็นเขาพูดได้ปรกตินะ

[@ugyr368]

Great presentation...Thank U so much

[@suebsakphuchamchot5942]

สุดยอดครับ อาจารย์เจ