The Problem these people are having is that they always boon their buffs for trash ( trash is literally the only thing that kills you in mc and bwl too ) you don't want to boon for trash, you want to unboon for trash. Much more dangerous than any of the bosses.
Dangerous yes. Requiring the %damage increases no. Ultimately its do you have Titans on and Rumsy black rum on surviving a charge + batched auto or pyroclastic barrage with Fire res debuffs are the ways you should realistically die to trash. No amount of world buffs stops the aboves from onetapping you. So in a 4+ hour raid setting you'd have to boon on trash or spend even more time recollecting another world buff set for Major domo/rag because you realistically had them on for Garr/Geddon.
It's a lose lose situation, you put sweats in and they do clears without too much issues because they make it serious, or you put non-sweats in charge, it's chaos but within 3-4 raids the entire guild has been wiped and that's the end of the content for a year.
Tyler was right, the point of having noobs raid lead is to have fuck ups. The problem is, fucking up gets people killed. And the problem there is that people dying is content in and of itself... in some ways its the content that viewers are the most excited to watch. But THAT is because every death is hundreds of hours of investment. Ultimately its a zero sum game and a complete race to the bottom where you're either playing as safe as possible and the viewership dies off, or you're all trying to die in the most spectacular ways possible to cash in on the investment you made in your character.
@@BobiciciI agree, definitely a double edged sword in balancing content with genuine investment of time, especially with smaller streamers who don't actually have the time to re-grind their characters to 60 every death. But at the end of the day, the point in getting streamers/new players to raid lead is to test their commitment in learning the mechanics and making the calls (ideally the right call lol). Soda made the point with Mizkif to not question a call, not only for content but to test his knowledge/prep. Tyler's team failed him on that end, tbh I think they just weren't locked in enough to actually care or whatever, idk why they didn't listen to the call it would have worked (even if not optimal/wrong)
No-one will realistically watch that, it's about content. If people wanted speed runs and sweats they're already watching that content (with better players too)
his cam is shaking because hes using binds on his mouse while holding rightclick so when he mashes the buttons on the side of the mouse it shakes the cam
@@Nagaimba I mean somewhere in between is a sweet spot people didn't shut up in Miz or Tyler's raid and no one was saying anything funny it was just noise.
Does anyone know how many of those people are in OnlyFangs versus out? Soda said Graycen could take any combination of guild/pugs so I was curious to see how many he actually got in from the guild. I recognize Vulpes and Baldsoap and Psybear as OnlyFangs for sure to name a few, but no clue about the rest.
Actually no, starting to recognize more names the longer I stare at the raid roster. Seems to be at least 20+ OnlyFangs, might even be a full OnlyFangs raid, who knows.
t1 was my favorite part of s2, but miz and graycen flawlessly downing baron just shows how insane his crashout is. no one was expecting him to raid lead perfectly, yes, that was the point. and 10 people dying was more or less what everyone should have expected from him raid leading, himself included. his raid didnt wipe because people are pussies, his raid wiped because hes new and made a bad call - again, no less than what people should have expected. if he had at least made the call sooner/preemptively then he might have a leg to stand on by calling people out, but making the call to stay after everyone who is paying attention has already started running is on him. literally no reason to stay there, especially after how safe tyler had been playing every other situation during his HC journey. hes probably just rage baiting and secretly knows hes wrong, in whoch case he got me, but i just hope this bad energy doesnt actually kill OF. was genuinely looking forward to seeing them keep progressing through the raids. imagine how cool it will be to see them craft sulfuras/thunderfury. just a shame it wont be t1 getting thunderfury
@@whateverjustposting I'd agree with you but the players who went in with him were such a problem. The sweats weren't locked in at all and basically went in for content, for funning, and literally troll speccing. The non-sweats didn't know what to do to the point of multiple people dying and honestly shocking DPS numbers. Everything could have been avoided if people actually took the raid seriously at all.
You understand Pirate was removed from the guild for threatening guild members for covering the drama with Pirate? Not because he was a roach. Also, nobody truly roached out here, they were doing what you’re supposed to do, run out of the AOE that can one or two shot people. That’s the standard, you’re supposed to run out and Tyler’s positioning was really bad. How are people this dense?
why dont you just start an ssf guild instead of this shitshow? take noobs give a fck about viewership and have fun maybe? should have been a rule since day 1 no dbm no weakauras and then maybe teach some basic raid etiquette (you shut ur goddamn mouth if ur not the raidleader) would have been nice if u had any passion for this project. it is the most basic and easy mmorpg of all time it was the selling point when it released. next year or in 2 if u do it again mybe do it right or just dont do it at all. thank you
Fresh server, Onyxia and MC are the first raids. Later phases in the next couple of weeks/months will bring releases of Blackwing Lair, Zul'Gurub, Ahn'Qiraj and Naxxramas
The warlocks need to start using FAP-s on the Lava Elementals pulls, so they dont get stunned and can get their banishes off 100%
If tank dies he cannot trade.. he should distribute the loot
That camera vibration is a dead giveaway that he has mouse bind :D
The Problem these people are having is that they always boon their buffs for trash ( trash is literally the only thing that kills you in mc and bwl too ) you don't want to boon for trash, you want to unboon for trash. Much more dangerous than any of the bosses.
Dangerous yes. Requiring the %damage increases no. Ultimately its do you have Titans on and Rumsy black rum on surviving a charge + batched auto or pyroclastic barrage with Fire res debuffs are the ways you should realistically die to trash. No amount of world buffs stops the aboves from onetapping you. So in a 4+ hour raid setting you'd have to boon on trash or spend even more time recollecting another world buff set for Major domo/rag because you realistically had them on for Garr/Geddon.
@@Shirahoshan yeah you say that until you get onetapped by trash cause you are booned
Love seeing my boy dannygaming getting some loot!
Great showcase on why sweats are unfun in onlyfangs
It's a lose lose situation, you put sweats in and they do clears without too much issues because they make it serious, or you put non-sweats in charge, it's chaos but within 3-4 raids the entire guild has been wiped and that's the end of the content for a year.
These guys can have an interesting raid if they self impose some challenges like no wbs and no dbm etc. Otherwise who cares.
It may sound "unfun" but whats even more unfun is a wipe and no more content.
Tyler was right, the point of having noobs raid lead is to have fuck ups. The problem is, fucking up gets people killed. And the problem there is that people dying is content in and of itself... in some ways its the content that viewers are the most excited to watch. But THAT is because every death is hundreds of hours of investment.
Ultimately its a zero sum game and a complete race to the bottom where you're either playing as safe as possible and the viewership dies off, or you're all trying to die in the most spectacular ways possible to cash in on the investment you made in your character.
@@BobiciciI agree, definitely a double edged sword in balancing content with genuine investment of time, especially with smaller streamers who don't actually have the time to re-grind their characters to 60 every death.
But at the end of the day, the point in getting streamers/new players to raid lead is to test their commitment in learning the mechanics and making the calls (ideally the right call lol).
Soda made the point with Mizkif to not question a call, not only for content but to test his knowledge/prep. Tyler's team failed him on that end, tbh I think they just weren't locked in enough to actually care or whatever, idk why they didn't listen to the call it would have worked (even if not optimal/wrong)
It would be nice if group 3 is just this, bunch of sweats that want to do it asap, maybe speedrun attempts too
No-one will realistically watch that, it's about content. If people wanted speed runs and sweats they're already watching that content (with better players too)
his cam is shaking because hes using binds on his mouse while holding rightclick so when he mashes the buttons on the side of the mouse it shakes the cam
Graycen is a bad tank to be honest. But a good raidlead.
That sarthe tag at the front. Sadge.
The leftover raid 💀
He is shaky cuz he is excited :) Well done !!
Good vibes, I enjoyed this raid group more than the previous ones
You mean no vibes?
There are 20 years of videos of people clearing MC if that what you are interested in. Otherwise most boring raid so far.
@@Nagaimba I mean somewhere in between is a sweet spot people didn't shut up in Miz or Tyler's raid and no one was saying anything funny it was just noise.
Probably because this raid has 34 sweats I think.
Close your eyes and you could be forgiven for thinking Mandark is leading the raid
He did a dam Good job
Does anyone know how many of those people are in OnlyFangs versus out? Soda said Graycen could take any combination of guild/pugs so I was curious to see how many he actually got in from the guild. I recognize Vulpes and Baldsoap and Psybear as OnlyFangs for sure to name a few, but no clue about the rest.
Actually no, starting to recognize more names the longer I stare at the raid roster. Seems to be at least 20+ OnlyFangs, might even be a full OnlyFangs raid, who knows.
@@Bobicici Soda said it was 100% OF, no pugs
Did sodas hunter die ? Why he leveling a Druid now
Because everyone else is leveling new characters. So he's just following the pack.
Lmao if this would be twitch chat there would only be"fk graycen" in the comments
I thought they were playing horde? Do horde have paladins now in classic?
They don't. The pink names are shamans in case that is what made you think there might be paladins in the raid.
Graycen carry Pog
greycen is a ... confirmed
Good coms
hi teenie bopper
If you min/max and control every aspect of the raid no one dies?!😮
Who woulda thunk 😂
Less then 1k views Graycen really fell off
He's boring 🤷♂
He has 7k viewers last night. But still, F GRAYCEN. 😂
A majority of his viewers ended up watching Soda watch the raid with commentary lol
uh you can read right or r you disable?
I tried watching graycen but he was so quiet that I went to soda
Honestly enjoyed the break from screaming and stupid shit happening so good job
t1 was my favorite part of s2, but miz and graycen flawlessly downing baron just shows how insane his crashout is.
no one was expecting him to raid lead perfectly, yes, that was the point. and 10 people dying was more or less what everyone should have expected from him raid leading, himself included. his raid didnt wipe because people are pussies, his raid wiped because hes new and made a bad call - again, no less than what people should have expected. if he had at least made the call sooner/preemptively then he might have a leg to stand on by calling people out, but making the call to stay after everyone who is paying attention has already started running is on him. literally no reason to stay there, especially after how safe tyler had been playing every other situation during his HC journey.
hes probably just rage baiting and secretly knows hes wrong, in whoch case he got me, but i just hope this bad energy doesnt actually kill OF. was genuinely looking forward to seeing them keep progressing through the raids.
imagine how cool it will be to see them craft sulfuras/thunderfury. just a shame it wont be t1 getting thunderfury
bro is known for his content crashouts and got banned on league for it but somehow yall are surprised hes flaming now...
You're wrong, Tyler is right. Dopa Down
@@Local-kn7lq no chance
@@whateverjustposting I'd agree with you but the players who went in with him were such a problem.
The sweats weren't locked in at all and basically went in for content, for funning, and literally troll speccing. The non-sweats didn't know what to do to the point of multiple people dying and honestly shocking DPS numbers.
Everything could have been avoided if people actually took the raid seriously at all.
oh how the mighty has fallen. watch as your guild falls apart for siding with roaches. once a roach...
You understand Pirate was removed from the guild for threatening guild members for covering the drama with Pirate? Not because he was a roach. Also, nobody truly roached out here, they were doing what you’re supposed to do, run out of the AOE that can one or two shot people. That’s the standard, you’re supposed to run out and Tyler’s positioning was really bad. How are people this dense?
Hunters should've rolled on the Crown too. It's #4 best helm for them and Warriors.
No rav?
40 people that collectively have the personality of one doorknob.
why dont you just start an ssf guild instead of this shitshow? take noobs give a fck about viewership and have fun maybe? should have been a rule since day 1 no dbm no weakauras
and then maybe teach some basic raid etiquette (you shut ur goddamn mouth if ur not the raidleader) would have been nice if u had any passion for this project.
it is the most basic and easy mmorpg of all time it was the selling point when it released. next year or in 2 if u do it again mybe do it right or just dont do it at all. thank you
who is the vtuber speaking? im gooning
Bump
The one that sounds like a vtuber is Larxio, but she's a regular streamer.
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Something tells me you just leave this comment and not even watched the video
@@alevitatingtrashcan7023yea cause the video is boring
@@alevitatingtrashcan7023oh and “only roaches”
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almost fell asleep
Boring as f§§§§😊
why do they only do onyxia and MC? Doesn’t classic wow have more raids besides the two of these?
Nothing else is out yet fresh server
Other raids are released in phases later.
Fresh server, Onyxia and MC are the first raids. Later phases in the next couple of weeks/months will bring releases of Blackwing Lair, Zul'Gurub, Ahn'Qiraj and Naxxramas
So boring.
damn... why are you watching then?
@@suffy101 dont think he is bro, clicked on video and left within 2 minutes of skipping through
I mean if you are just watching it...yeah its boring...try watching this while doing something.
Wtf is that raid lmao who are these people
Everyone in this raid is in the guild.
I turned this video on to my boyfriend and now he's convinced we can be TH-cam stars. Question: who will be the cameraman💚
What does that even fucking mean.
not me
Your videos are an example of how to make content. Quality filming, competent editing and useful information. Thank you!🐅🥍‼️
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