Game Theory: Lies Of The Founder (Ranboo: Generation Loss)
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Friends, today we're taking another look at Ranboo and Generation Loss. We talked about this a while ago but since then there have been some MAJOR developments. From hour long livestreams to new tapes released on the channel. There's a lot to discuss here and I think I've got it all figured out!
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Matpat told us to not trust a character so many times that we are basically playing among us
@TarvizScottshut up.
Sus
Yeahh
Underrated coment
yup..
I think something that you forget is that the mask is actively controlling Ranboo, it’s not Ranboo himself but rather the mask controlling him to do what Showfall needed to continue the story
Fr
Like Majoras Mask
@kzinppI love you so your dream won't come true
Exacly! Also why is he acting like Ranboo the content creator is the same as the character Ranboo?
this.
matpat: don't trust ranboo he did bad things and had no reaction and pushed ethan towards his death!!!
also matpat: *ignores the fact that ranboo was being mind-controlled and literally COULDNT have a reaction*
Maybe ranboo was tricking us with us thinking he was controlled? But hey that’s a Ivan theory (see the resemblance)
@@luisshorts.Ranboo confirmed that ranboo and sneeg were mind controlled
@youre_the_idiotno that was just one specific incident at the end, otherwise it usually meant mind control
Amen to that
It is physically painful to watch this while knowing that Matpat forgot about the MIND CONTROL mask. He forgot about ⏃ whole main part of the show! ⟟ was so happy to see another GenLoss theory too :(
Enderman vowels
how do you do the enderman thingy? I taught myself how to read and write it but i want to type it
It could be that he was faking the mind control, like all else, and that MatPat just forgot to mention it
@@josceleeminsal5973I don’t know how to explain it much but you could look it up on google or yt!
@@josceleeminsal5973go into settings and do the autocorrect thibgy
It's been confirmed that The Puzzler did actually kill Ranboo's character in the electric chair scene, but managed to bring him back to life
Wait rlly???? Where was this confirmed???
@@plumpkinpie2268 I can't remember if it was one of his streams or him talking in someone else's chat, I'll try to find it
@@plumpkinpie2268 It's confirmed more clearly somewhere that I can't find right now but also mentioned at around 1:06:30 in the stream Generation Loss Behind The Scenes - Going through my favorite bits on the vods channel
ive seen this mentioned before where was it confirmed? just curious no pressure
@@ratigue its the reply above yours
I think there is one thing we all universally agree on and that is that Matpat ignored the mind control mask.
Because if it was all faked, then there would be no mind contol. It would be a lie. That's the point of the theory, you can't trust anything Ranboo says regarding what happened because he's the liar in chief. He can just say anything and you buy it because he's the hero/victim. You know, unless he's not.
@@G12G4 it wasn’t mentioned in the video therefore causing confusion
@@G12G4 Yes but Matpat didn’t seem to consider that Ranboo might not have been in control.
Joe Caine lord is to deep
@@humanbeing4321The entire theory is about him being in control tho? If Mat thougt he wasn't, there'd be no theory or it would be completely different
As a theorist and a Ranboo enjoyer, even if this theory doesn't quite line up, it's incredibly interesting to think about and I'm glad it was done :DDD
I love how MatPat just channels his inner theorist and finds all the tiny fine print, but then...
the mind control mask: 👁👄👁
OMG FRRR!!!!
ong thoooo
Actually more like 👁️ 👁️
@@SmileFlame3OH MY GODS NO-
@@SmileFlame3 to be honest, I think its more like ⬛
As much as I hate to say it, there is 2 crucial flaws in this video 1 The mask that Ranboo wears is mind controlling and they themselves have confirmed it in multiple ways and 2 the death scene was actually filmed live as Ranboo states in a video
@kzinppyour bio says fuhhd off self promoters but you are one
@kzinppmo
Trust no one
way more flaws its like he didnt even research
There are flaws but no need to be rude about it. It's not going to get your point across any. Better than if you just said, "there are some flaws in this theory maybe he could have done more research". There's already a lot of hate in this world no need to add to it
So a very important thing to note that you've completely glossed over: Ranboo's personality changes whenever their mask is lit up. Almost like the mask is controlling him to behave specific ways. Whenever the mask is turned off, Ranboo's going off-script and doing their own thing. Ranboo also said when the new content was coming out that the old Gen Loss content can be disregarded, as they re-worked the story since.
EXACTLY I WAS SO MAD
mat u should look in to the brightens hallways of fnaf 4
Brightend
But that’s just a theory, A GAME THEORY!!!
all i remember: goo goobie
The fact Ranboo said that in the ending GL!ranboo is supposed to be remembering his life before the show when the mask flashes tells me that he can’t be the founder, why would he have removed his memories if he was in control? And how would he know what was going to happen if his memories were gone?
2:05 ranboo screaming at his screen because you're right is awesome 😂
It feels like Mat overlooked the fact that Ranboo is under control from the mask
Makes sense.
This is random but it's hard to get this comment where anyone will actually see it:
There are secret messages in the intro, likely a part of an URL (I don't think it's a link to a YT video. Too many characters)
Secret Messages:
0:23 "jnhvs" (Probably a "s")
0:30 "dpn"
0:42 "z4IFKkt"
Currently, I can't figure it out. Maybe I missed a part of the sequence. Or I misread a character? IDK
@@chrism2516maybe a video link
He could be acting it though. Through MatPat’s theory is interesting it also doesn’t explain the memory’s being replanted into his mind.( that was stated in Ranboo after stream). That could be that he remembers that he is the founder or something like that.
Where were these?
The amount of absurdity that mat pat is willing to get into for some lore is admiring
@K7vb4Rms says the guy with a youtube short hating on youtube 😂
@@Noahswrlds-NO1-Fan inr
@@Noahswrlds-NO1-Fan it's a bot
Admirable
Haha yes
knowing that ranboo (the character) gets electrocuted at some point, after watching slimecicle's commentary on the first episode and saying that ranboo's (the person) mask was malfunctioning and constantly zapping him during most of part 1 is kind of hilarious
3:18 Ranboo watching this off stream: 😅
As a ranboo fan and theorist fan this broke my brain
Fr, this theory is so far from the truth and the actual story
i can agree, i dont like the fact he lumped hetch and showfall as one in the same, their diffrent charachters so heavily
@@fla_oracle8698true
@@fla_oracle8698 also how he lumped both generation 1 and generation 0 into the same storyline
This is random but it's hard to get this comment where anyone will actually see it:
There are secret messages in the intro, likely a part of an URL (I don't think it's a link to a YT video. Too many characters)
Secret Messages:
0:23 "jnhvo" ("o" may not be an o)
0:30 "dpn"
0:42 "z4IFKkt"
Currently, I can't figure it out. Maybe I missed a part of the sequence. Or I misread a character? IDK
The mask isn't EXACTLY mind control. It controls what Ranboo sees and how he reacts to things. He wasn't able to see beyond the 4th wall until the mask was turned off and whenever someone died, he didn't really react to it much because of the mask. Once the mask turned off he was actually able to fully comprehend that the others had died. Its not necessarily full control but it is partially controlling the way he experiences things
then again... if it is "Controlling" the things he sees and feels... Isnt that also just Mind Control?
@@mintyplayz__9721 i mean the mask influences what Ranboo sees
so on the one hand, yes, it is mind control, because if you influence what someone sees, you can get them to do almost anything
on the other hand, it's not exactly mind control because they're still allowing Ranboo to _think_ because they still want his raw emotion for the show, but they want to still have influence and urge him into the right direction
either way, i think it's like a filter, choosing what Ranboo sees and what he doesn't, by turning blood into slime and corpses into skeletons
at least, that's my take on things ":D
@@Aya_32125 I think its still mind control regardless of which part since its still part of the mind,
for exsample if i were to control the speech, not the way they talk but limit it, it is technically still mind control as it inhibits or controls a specific part of the mind. down to just adding a memory or learning kungfu by sending brain signals or just turning off the entire concept of the left side.
however if some of you see mind control as the control of the entire mind then... yeah its not mind control and more of influence?
Therefore what were just saying is that its that
its not Hypnosis its Mind Control :3
so U Right
@@mintyplayz__9721 oh ok! yeah that makes sense
Yeah ! It's just censorship
I find the end part where they talk about the founder cut really interesting and it in some way makes sense. The founders cut is (i assume) going to be posted on the generation loss channel but the original copy isn't on that channel, it's on ranboo's even though Ranboo said himself that he wants them to be to very seperate things.
What do you mean by the original cut? Do you mean the vods of the livestream?
If so that channel isn’t ran by Ranboo, it’s a vod channel made from a fan that Ranboo gave permission to post the vods too as he doesn’t have a vod channel himself,
Ranboovods post every Ranboo livestream he makes and does really cool thumbnail art. :)
@@cm1l243 I actually didn't know that the channel was run by someone else but my main point was that the original hasn't been posted on the Generation Loss channel when it easily could be.
@@Elvira0024 ah I see, it is a bit strange because as far as I’m aware the future generations will be on that channel, but I am like 99% sure Ran said the founder cut will be on the Gen loss channel, I think he also said some like behind the scenes will be on his main channel, like stuff from before the show started.
And it makes sense you don’t know about Ranboovods being ran by someone else, Ranboo said it like a year and a half ago in a random stream
It comes out today!!
HE IGNORED THE FACT THAT HE WAS BEING MIND CONTROLED
@T_elegramMeiut_gametheory.... ?
@@melthedepressedenby837h
7:07 there is literally an answer IN THE TEXT
Ranboo feels guilty about standing there and letting all of what happened happen, so in his mind, anyone in their right mind who watched him do that wouldn't have his best interests in mind. He believes hetch, but he also believes the audience would want to kill him
I think one thing that makes this theory a little hard for me to follow is that Ranboo said their character is getting his MEMORIES back when the mask flashes right before it cuts to the life or death scene. If he was the founder why would he be getting memories back? If he owns and created the company I don’t really see a reason for him to have his memories taken away in the first place. Idk maybe someone else here can help me out lol.
this is exactly what I was thinking lmao, i like matpats theory but i feel like he's not focused on the main points of the lore which are found in the livestreams (ran's mask, squiggles etc) and instead basing his research on the genloss YT vids, which dont provide enough information to give a correct theory.
@@tigerfari668 exactly! I also think he kinda left out the whole part about him being kept alive meant endless torment and manipulation. Matpat kinda made it seem like keeping him alive would’ve been the better choice but I think killing him was more merciful
@@jainebow7106 I totally agree!!
The only way to work the memory and mind control thing into the theory is if you theorize that Ranboo is the founder, and to play the role of the hero, had their employees while their own memory and gave specific instruction on how to control them during the show
But I feel like that's a lot more of a stretch
@@lilac_reed You don't even quite need to work the mind control into the theory since it's something that can be staged to further trick the audience, though it could also connect to the memory wipe such that the founder, Ranboo, gave instructions on how to run the experiment and wiped his memories at some point to make his own reactions more authentic (while also leaving himself certain clues to make sure he makes it to the finale.)
Ranboo’s character in this is especially resemblant to the role of Amanda in Saw II. A mole included in the deadly activities meant only to move them forward as planned
How dare you. Ranboo specifically stated that he wasn't associated with DSMP anymore and you still brought it up.
“Don’t trust Ranboo”? If anyone is not to be trusted, it’s Showfall! It’s us! Ranboo was a victim and he was scared of _us!_ NOT the other way around.
But we don’t know that for sure do we?
@shning-lght7215 It is confirmed that the mask was a way showfall controlled Ranboo. So I'd say that to some extent, he is the victim. If Ranboo know exactly what he was supposed to be doing, there would be no reason for him to be controlled.
@@shning-lght7215 The reason Ranboo disobeyed us was not because he was in control of any script or purposefully driving the story along like Matpat said. It’s because he thinks, after he’s done so many horrible things to his friends (he was under perception control, and Showfall heavily influenced his actions) there is no way the viewers would want what’s best for him.
He thought we would sabotage him, and that’s why he went his own ways once the mask turned off.
@@ultimate_clutz but as stated by this video... anything that is released after the "live streams" could just be part of the social experiment to gaslight everyone into believing a story that wasn't exactly what they saw.
i dunno youre seeming kinda sus
I genuinely cant tell if they actually watched generation loss or not, theres no way you can watch that and not process the fact everyone is being mind controlled.
But that in itself could be an element designed to trick the audience, especially when you consider the inconsistencies MatPat pointed out. Remember, we don't know who we can trust in the video series, if we can trust anyone at all, and that then brings in the further question of how much of what we see and hear from commentary is trustworthy. The theory has a basis, how true it is, until proven one way or another, is up to us to decide, whether you agree or disagree.
@@homerman76it totally could, but the thing that confuses me about this is irl ranboo confirmed he (in the show) was being mind controlled. also, isnt genloss supposed to be about content creation and how the audience controls the content creator?
@@homerman76I’m not sure why commentary streams from the cast aren’t evidence enough? Because this isn’t an ARG, it’s a live show. Everything Ranboo has said on stream about Genloss after the fact is canon because he wrote the thing, idk why there’s confusion about that /gen
@@homerman76 the issue with this is that we specifically can trust what is said from behind the scenes, this isnt an arg, they dont have a reason to lie about it. And if g!ranboo is in on it, why could you see them signing S.O.S. Multiple times in the show?
@@biscuitbread i think ranboo said they didn’t originally intend for it to a metaphor about content creation but it started to line up like that.
I didnt know Gen Loss was nominated for an Emmy! That would've been so cool!
This theory makes sense, except for the fact that he completely ignores the mind control and doesn’t even talk about it
Just for anyone who doesn't know, Generation Loss isn't an ARG! I guess its better described as a web series, there aren't any irl/out-of-universe elements.
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Thanks for adding this! I was kinda disappointed seeing it referred to as an ARG when it’s been verified that it’s not.
Oh man, normally I'd agree with the theories and try to discover things further, but having been following gen loss since the beginning and knowing how much stuff has been left out in this video makes me want to scream, but I'm still curious to what team theorist will do next
15:12 And that's where video downloaders come in to salvage the originals. As for whether or not Ramboo will stop them from uploading them or take them down, however....
this theory is interesting. the mind control mask never gets mentioned, but that might be because Ranboo isn’t being controlled. I do feel like Ranboo was mind controlled by Showfall, but this could happen too. we just have to wait until it’s revealed. Also I could definitely argue that Ranboo’s memory of getting interviewed was taken away from them with mind control.
Ranboo did amazing with Generation loss, i adore it so much.
@kzinpp Uhh,what? I don't understand what your trying to imply man.
Just report them they are probably a bot anyway.
I don't think the Puzzler not killing him was because he was his boss, it was because he knew he was the main character. Mr. Squiggles mentioned about the Puzzler "We just let him do what he wants" meaning that he probably wasn't controlled, but part of the cast, and knew the plot. His death is also the only one not featured, as Ranboo just found a tape of his death, meaning he was probably not really dead.
Its been confirmed ranboo actualy died and got brought back with the electricity, also the puzzler was "terminated" and got stopped with all the other characters when the employees brought sneeg back in ep2 so its safe to assume hes a victim too, whats more interesting to me is that if charlie and the puzzler (2 previous antagonists are controled) whose to say hetch the 3rd antagonist isnt, he wears a mask as well which could indicate that
WE NEED ANOTHER VIDEO ON GENLOSS NOW!!!
1:57 i never wanna hear elvis mat pat again
How does one man get so many things wrong?
Bro literally ignored the whole mind-control elements that were Very Clearly Established Multiple Times. Like when in episode 2 we see Ranboo get reset, and that's when he starts acting more NPC like and leads Ethan to his death.
Yeah
Exactly! And in another stream they say that the mask blinking at the end of EP3 was them getting their memories back. If they were the founder, why would their memories be removed and be put back like that?
I think that, while I personally disagree with it, it’s just a theory and I’m just glad that Matpat gave GenLoss more attention.
my dude there is this writing thing called red herrings
@@johnbastion747That's not the same thing though, as the basic overarching story is very unlikely to be a red herring. This theory also gets debunked by Ranboo's multiple streams that just explain generation loss better.
If a lot of this wasn't debunked, this theory is actually really cool and fun to think about. If Generation Loss wasn't about Content Creation or Audiences, I could totally see this as the actual plot.
It’s not about that, it was a coincidence, ranboo confirmed that, now I don’t really have a say on the lore but I know ranboo confirmed that it only looks that way
I AM SO FUKIN PROUD OF THEM!!!!!!
Ranboo's story is insane and I'm so excited to see more
I loved watching this series lol definitely one of ranboo’s best creations
Mat getting confused by the "soon" is so funny to me bc anyone whos been in the dsmp fandom knows that "soon" means nothing
Can confirm
@@OneBrokenEggcan also confirm
Also can confirm
can confirm
Confirmable
10:03 It was revealed that the electric chair actually DID kill him and he was revived after going “unconscious” that’s why the lights in the mask flicker off (but it seems Matpat didn’t look into the series enough to find the main theme that ran was being controlled like a puppet on a stage) :)
And they do die for your sins because you’re the one who kills them!
If you actually watched the full afterwards video you would have seen these facts 😅
Thank you, Matpat for everything.
Yea
11:18 Dude that is A pose you need T pose for Christ like imagery... How can you miss that
its really interesting how you didnt mention the fact that his perception of reality was being warped by the mask. the while second scene in the second episode is a great example of it (slime turning into blood)
Yeah, I feel like that was a very prominent part of the show, and it’s been verified that they were under control by the mask, I’m disappointed it didn’t get mentioned at all.
It’s an interesting theory, but I’m not sure it’s true considering that ranboo stated that the genloss ranboo got his memory of his live before he was a part of the operation back while they begged to be killed.
First
Trust no one, not even Matpat
"every book re-writen, every painting repainted, every street renamed, every date changed"
- George Orwell, 1984
You do not understand how long I’ve been waiting for this, thank you so much. It’s an interesting theory! No clue what to make of it (I’m so tired rn) but you go matpat slay!:)
this actually is most likely wrong. important info is just thrown out here. it’s clear ranboo is still partially brainwashed in episode three to fit with hetch. he uses his noted “npc voice” (same as he uses right after “reset” ) to say “are you sure that’s safe?” after charlie picks up an axe. if they had brought that axe with them they would’ve been able to get past the boarded up door.
in episode two ranboo attempts to tap out “s.o.s” while controlled and his other hand stops him.
in episode one. when he first wakes up? he is in the same position as he was at his death, just laying down. he complains about his head hurting. he says “this wasn’t supposed to happen??”. he doesn’t know what’s going on.
in the game in the website you see how he was KIDNAPPED BY SHOWFALL with an orb similar to the one shown in the starting soon screen of the streams
the whole thing is a commentary on how creators are treated. with showfall media being a play on social media, his mask representing censoring, the titles everyone is given on the carousel.
he is just another victim manipulated to be a certain way. respectfully matpat you are incorrect and clearly do not know all of your information properly.
like all due respect dude but you’re wrong. you somehow didn’t notice the MAIN OVERARCHING THEME OF THE SOCIAL EXPIREMENTS.
your theory is DIRECTLY disproven with two streams ranboo did after genloss talking about it, 3 tumblr posts of his, and a game that’s fully linked to genloss in the SHOW. for someone who seemingly did research you didn’t do a great job.
i agree with this! like, im supprised his dumbness didnt WATCH TO STREAMS HIMSELF as they came out. he clearly swung, missed, and played it off as he ment to do that
While I agree that this theory is pretty bad, something important to note here is that MatPat likely wasn't the only person doing research, if he was involved in the process at all. He has a team to research and write scripts for him; to a certain degree, he's kind of just a vessel for _their_ ideas to be delivered through these days. And I think the team left out a whole bunch of context on purpose, to be honest. If I had to guess, they watched through generation loss and looked at material where Ranboo talked about it, realized they couldn't come up with a valid theory based on what was given, and decided to just throw this together because they know genloss is popular and it would get them views. I'm not defending it, but that's just how this channel works sometimes.
I agree, I was really suprised by how easily disproven this video was. Like the whole point was that the mask was controlling him and he wasn’t making his own decisions. Any slip-up would be by the person controlling him, not Ranboo himself
I see a couple flaws in this video, one of the ones that sticks with me is the fact that Slimecicle dies at the end of the show. He couldn’t have recorded the interviews if he was dead- plus, there was no in between in the episodes as well. He went from dying, to dying, to dying.
tbf hes died 3 times and come back twice, he probably could come back again
@@cyphersantiago5377yeah, especially if it were to still be the show when Ranboo was trying to escape. Just like before, no matter who died they always went back to how they were before
@@tirednessiskey669 exactly
Yea in all 3 episodes slime literally went from dieing at the end of episode 1 to being killed or forgotten or something but everyone's just guessing he died by the end of episode 2 to dieing at the end of episode 3 so he just go's from dieing to dieing? To dieing
I always got the impression that the 1st and 2nd episode weren’t exactly “real life” they killed Charlie both times to make it interesting, but the third was real because it wasn’t “scripted.” Also he was playing characters at first, but then we see him streaming normally until Ranboo wakes him up. However, maybe I’m wrong and it actually was scripted ( like what matpat said) towards the end and he is still alive.
I think MatPat got too far into the lore that he forgot about the mind controling mask
6:45 man i love ronboo
Generation Loss is probably one of my favorite stream projects now, followed by Jerma's Dollhouse. I also never expected Jerma or Ranboo to be in a game theory to begin with.
there are many main story things that were disregarded in this theory! Kinda sad to see that he is also being associated to the DreamSmp although they stated they don’t want to be anymore. At first I was really hyped to see you did another vid on Ranboo :(
True! The amount of overlooked lore is... annoying (no hate to MatPat tho). And yeah, Ranboo's even doing a rebrand soon to try to disconnect himself from the DSMP- Though there was nothing *wrong* with that era (it was actually awesome), it's over now, and it's sad to see a big channel like Game Theory perpetuating connections Ranboo doesn't want anymore.
@@erin.artemisIt was so cringe, everything with that era is childish.
@@Vide501and funny
@@erin.artemis Oh please. It was one little line in this entire video, and there wasn't even any judgment attributed to that statement. Next you'll tell me you're sad that Wikipedia lists facts about people's pasts too
@@Oliba No, it is literally for 10yo's.
Man, I've always loved MatPat and his theory videos, whether it be FNaF, other games, movies, food, or style, he never ceases to entertain me. Thanks for being so awesome MatPat! Love you content and keep up the great work!
Matpat im not sure about this one king
When Ranboo said that when the mask flashes he gains a memory/memories it made me think about the finale when their mask flashes a lot, the more it flashes the more they yelled at us to let them die
I believed this but (no hate) it's been flashing a bunch from when he got the pocket sand at the beginning to when he died so by the end ranboo could probably remember being born from how much it flashes so it doesn't add up, it seemingly would work/add up better saying that it flashes during very important decisions or moments, mostly being in life or death situations where the decisions are important or something that could change even small parts of the story (even just when things happen) so basically during important stuff. [Edit: sorry it's really long I just am confused how it's supposed to work]
Generation Loss: The Social Experiments is a way to show how content creator's are treated in online spaces
I agree!
Yeah its basically about the dehumanization of creators
It's worth noting that the Milgram expiriments results have since been put largely into qeustion due to failure to replicate results (it was also incorrectly played out due to their approach to the volunteers, but thats neither here nor there)
Just the fact that Ranboo is being in someway controlled by the mask just completely irradicates Matpat's entire theory
This is a really cool theory but there are so many holes in it that kinda debunk it.
1.generation loss logo came from showfall media because if you look at the side of the showfall meida logo you can see the generation loss logo in it so that means there are the same thing (kinda) and generation loss is just a shorter version of the showfall media. and this has been proven by ranboo.
2. In the cutaway scenes in the first episode you can see Charlie do them to which honestly makes me think that there both have been there for a while.
3. I forgot about this so the posters that got coverd up are literally ranboos missing posters and probably got covered by showfall media to have the show be more exciting and draw attention away from ranboo being missing.
4. After ran got sneeg out of the cage and Charlie appears he said that sneeg had been in the cage for 2 days and interestingly sneeg says thay Charlie tried to make him do the cooking show but he said no making Charlie lock him up kinda makes mw think sneeg was supposed to be the "hero".
5. When the puzzler was shocking ran he actually died but showfall brought them back to life. The puzzler did 10 thousand voults of electricity it takes 100-250 voults is the is enough to kill a human.
6. Ranboos mask is actually controlling them and taking his memories away and giving them make and this was proven by ranboo themselves.
If i got anything wrong or missed something please tell me and no im not trying to hate on matpat i do like this theory it's just not possible.
@polybius-jy5rc Yeah thats true, but if you think about it, they all can be rewired or revived whenever.
The problem with matpat's theory here is that it can explain away literally anything. It's similar in thought to an 'it was all a dream' ending, where there is no argument against it. I think what he's saying is that it's all scripted. Everything is just as fake as it is in real life (minus the death). I'm not saying that this is my favourite theory ever or anything, but it is watertight.
@tobiasburke9495 That is true, but i think there is just so much evidence against ranboo being the founder, so i dont think it could happen. But it would be cool and interesting way to think about generation loss.
YOOO GENLOSS EPISODE LETS GO!!! so proud of how far Ranboo has come to make their own project and have others recognize it for how great it is
Lmao you've been targeted by the bots😂
Bots, am i right?
Yesssss! I know right? I’m so proud of them!
Rip the bots got u
@@sarahayat4364I think everyone has been
Fun fact: I actually met and took a selfie with the dude when he wanted to surprise his fans at Vidcon 2023. He really has fluffy hair like a sheep. :)
Generation Loss preview and merch just dropped! Maybe there is something new you could go analize there?
10:20 I mean he apologized after killing niki too, the puzzler is generally a Weirdly Goofy villain throughout the episode
I think this is the first Game Theory video that I just don't agree with. Ranboo is being controlled. That's one of the biggest parts of his character. Why would Showfall control him (or go through the trouble of faking controlling him) if he was working with them from the beginning. An example is how in the Mouse Trap scene, the Puzzler left his detonator on the table and we see Ranboo reach for it but can't. He's frozen. He's trying to grab it but something (Showfall) is literally stopping his body. If Ranboo was working with Showfall, why would he try and grab the detonator? Why would he fake being stopped? It just doesn't add up for me, sorry haha.
(No hate though!! I just wanted to give my opinion!!!)
And the fact that they tap out SOS with their fingers
They did the SOS in day 2 as well but he stopped himself when that happened. Also the Mask has Showfall on the back of the mask so I don't see how Ranboo is the founder either. Now the idea of Showfall and Generation Loss being the same company type deal I can understand if that's what MatPat had done. Yet he says they are 2 opposing sides which I can't really understand.
I AGREE COMPLETELY
ness is sans:
I think what matpat's trying to get at is that ranboo is an actor of sorts. He did all those things because it was scripted like that. I'm still on the fence on the theory (one of the more out there ones), but I think that's the gist.
Matpat have you heard of the Shorts Wars? If so, we need a whole saga for that lore man.
MATPAT! TH-cam SHORTS NEEDS YOU!!! THEY'RE UNDER SIEGE BY A ARG MENACE!
I really hope matpat does more research and makes a better theory, because some of these things are straight up wrong. I know his team probably did the research for this, but hopefully he does more research. I advise that he watches all three episodes and the stream Ranboo did afterwards that gives some info on the lore.
I agree completely.
Also RIP gegg 😔
@@Trees... Ah yes, rest in peace Gegg. Gegg is still in our hearts.
I think Jerma’s line of “that’s for you to know and for me to find out” was an honest mistake because in one of Ranboo’s streams where he gave behind the scenes stories it was revealed the Jerma’s mic had broke right before the second episode started and he couldn’t hear most of the actors and what was said.
13:48
Or his memory was deleted, which seems more likely from the solid evidence we’ve been shown.
Very interesting ideas though lol
Oh, Ty. "Weirdo recluse" and "Theorist Editor" are just synonyms at this point in the timeline.
Yeah, you right
@@tylermascola 😂 We recognize your sacrifice buddy
Ranboo did such a great job with Generation Loss, so proud of him. A little sad to see pretty obvious info just thrown to the side for this theory
th-cam.com/video/mCYqk3-lUTY/w-d-xo.html game theory is sus🤨🤨
Its a theory cmon
Heyo guys, I would just say that even if this theory doesnt match up perfectly or if parts of it are disproven, it still is a huge accomplishment for ranboo and what he is trying to do. Theories are just theories and think of how excited ranboo was just after the first one!! This is still a really cool theory about a really cool piece of media.
(Plus, imagine how horrific it would be if ranboo WAS the founder and the memories they got right before his death were him realizing they had manufactured their own downfall...)
I agree! I had this cool theory when the first teaser came out that Ranboo was the founder, so I do have some ideas how that could work
I can't believe it's finally here!
Why does my subscribe button glows when je says subscribe on 1:08
Most of this theory is build on ignoring the part of what mask that Ranboo wears is.. it literally manipulates him lol
Towards the end of the theory mat mentions how in episode 1 the cutaways must have been recorded after the show... but how would they have been broadcasted live DURUING a show we know for sure to not have been a recording as chat makes active decisions during the entire experience???
True! I personally always believed that they were recorded before Showfall aired the first show, as the characters will talk about the lines they say in the cutaways.
Yep! Ranboo himself has confirmed, (out of character ofc) that the only pre-recorded part of any of the streams was the bit where he and sneeg teleported out of the room with the diamond and into the fashion room
@@Wayfaring-GremlinThat's how they did it in the real show (the actual livestream), so I assume the same happened in-universe. All the interview sections were pre recorded while everything else was filmed live and the cast knew what they're gonna say in advance through mind control stuff
I SAW THIS LAST NIGHT, AND I SCREAMED, SO, HARD, MY NEIGHBOURS ALMOST CALLED THE POLICE
Gen loss was SO FUN to watch lol
did you know when ranboo was running from the mall, slimesicle was meant to fake his stream in the mall but he actually went live reacting to colours. 😂
That blue was crazy though
@@ima-human9593Don’t get me started with that green
*slimecicle
He wasn't supposed to fake it? The plan was always him actually going live, idk where you got the idea he was supposed to fake it lol, the video he reacted to was made specifically for that
bruh that purple tho 😌
I feel like there needs to be a part 2 of this vid, there is so much information that hasn’t been mentioned that needs to be. The tape scene in the end, the mask and etc.
It’s a shame that MatPat glosses over his theories now days since he has so many channels.
glad the editors finally agree. knew i wasnt the only one... this should have been on film theory lol!
Absolutely incredible! I just finished reading a book with a comparable topic, and it left me awestruck. "Game Theory and the Pursuit of Algorithmic Fairness" by Jack Frostwell
one thing you left out is the mask. if you go back through the vods anytime the mask turns on he starts acting different also theres brief moments where he taps out sos. but in the end scene when the mask flashes thats him regaining all his memories. so theres a bit more info for you
Bro I never ever thought you would do a theory on this but I guess matpat never fails
MatPat inspires me.. My parents said if i get 35K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging...
He already did lol, if u go back to June last year I think he did a theory on it then when the first trailer dropped
I bet you didn't even finish the video yet.
They’ve already covered it once
@GrimaceMonsterhehesureeeee
yall that is what the founder wants us to think, that the mask is whats contorlling him, that is what the founder wants
this is one of the few videos i watched from you where I am completely lost about what's even being discussed lol
cannot wait to see ranboo freak out at this
he found out already. he posted on tumblr and later on he posted on his genloss acc
i was the 69th like lmao
i listened to this, could not hear you out on this one, i think its somthing to do with how you CLEARLY IGNORED RANBOO SAYING THE BOX SCENE HES GETTING HIS MEMORIES BACK and also the mask is CONTROLING HIM
i just saw something that might not be relevant but in the video that is called ranboo is back when he "teleports in" in the background you can see something that says "day"(illegible) so i think that that is relevant to the generation loss thing. your welcome :))
Adding to the theory, what if Ranboo DID get his memory wiped? What if he was just unconsciously following the plot of the episodes due to him having had “buried” memories of it from before while he was planning it (kind of like someone understanding the fact that they’ve forgotten something, but not what.). To add the mask into the idea, what if when the mask gave him back his memories, they weren’t memories of his past life before the show, but of his role as the founder? And then to keep the show going as it’s supposed to, he continues his act. He WANTED us to pick for him to die, or else the show wouldn’t be following its script (according to this theory).
8:12 i seen a theory that its because of the mask. Hatch it working with showfall, there for hatch would have some kind of control over the mask, making them see and do as hatch wants.
9:33 showfall is controlling them via the mask. When its blinking, its the real Ranboo, when its on its showfall and when its off that's when I believe Hatch is controlling them.
Didn’t the mask had to be on to work tho? It was off in that scene
Matpat went from being correct so many times to ignoring actual lore. What happened Matt
??????
@@chocoplays6296we all know the actual lore. This is incorrect
But now I'm curious, I want to see Ranboo react to this vid..
You know. Matpat and his team sometimes think that some evidence or lore is not really canon. Case in point: the Dream SMP episode when he didn't count Jschlatt's canon death, because it didn't really have an impact on Schlatt or Quackity (who killed him). It may or not also be the case here with the mind controlling mask.
@@PrivateOcto he says that we just want to think that those are the answers, but they are not.
He's
Wrong
@@kiraszabo1333And remind me where we got the "actual lore"from?
you make me want answers that I cant yet obtain to questions that I cant quite understand in my own head
24:00. Sorry matpat. I’ve been watching him longer. Ranboo.
I'm sorry but taking every line jerma says seriously is hilarious
1. generation loss is a show not an ARG
2. the fact that ranboos mask controls him pretty much debunks this theory
You do not wanna know how long I've been waiting for this.
The only thing we can agree on is that Matpat clearly didn't watch the show, or look at any of Ranboos posts after the show. Like bro, he literally confirmed that Ranboo had memory loss. Matpat is reaching here.
Yeah bro! I’m having physical pain here, knowing that the ONE THING all of the community agreed on, is that when the lights on the mask r on, Ranboo is being controlled. But MatPat just completely overshadowed that