Why Didn't the Romans Conquer Scotland?
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- Despite two major efforts, the Romans never managed to conquer Caledonia - roughly modern Scotland - preferring to build the defensive barrier we know as Hadrian's Wall. This video considers why...
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:46 Agricola's campaigns
1:19 The invasion of Septimius Severus
2:33 Established Titles
3:43 The challenges of mountains
4:38 Imperial grand strategy
5:18 A tour of the frontiers
6:35 Why southern Britain was conquered
7:18 Why Scotland wasn't
I never knew the Romans sailed around the Orkney islands before, makes me wonder just how far from home Roman explorers traveled. That’d make for an interesting video
Look up the recorded sub Saharan expeditions, really amazing stuff
I second @@michaelstevens9256 great suggestion. Absolutely wild read, if you haven't yet, you'll most certainly NOT be disappointed!
As it happens, I have a video on that topic coming relatively soon. Stay tuned...
@@toldinstone Wait really? Can you also cover Periplus of Erythrean Sea in that video? Your channel is amazing my friend!
They had detailed maps of India and Southeast Asia through what is now Thailand. Roman coins have been found in Vietnam and Japan.
In Scotland there lurks a dangerous predator that nobody can escape, it attacks when you least expect, driving all that enter it's domain before it, it's called the midge, not even the might of the Roman empire could defeat it.
or a tory
Or a cranky in a Sturgeon you don't want that ever 😯😳🤭
@@paulbeard3238 the one who has won every election since 2014 and seen every other witless leader off...all together now...ding dong the union's dead...ding dong the wicked union's dead :) xx
Bloody midges !!!, what have the midges ever done for us ?.
They would have suffered even more if they had crossed the Atlantic and spent some time in the Canadian Boreal forest with the blackflies.
The Romans decided not to invade Scotland, because they were warned that this disruption might jeopardize the future development of Scotch whisky, and that could not be allowed!
The Romans were turned off by the plaid kilts.
Lol I was about to comment “because the Scots were there and they didn’t have whiskey yet”
Also they found that the scottish had a habit of coming south and lurking around the area that would one day become kings cross. They would drink excessively and act belligerent to passers by. The scottish of today continue this tradition, with every single scottish emigrant south doing at least one “tour of duty” outside Kings Cross, clutching their cans of tennants and spesh.
LOL. Bravo!
@@finn013 thanks for the racism.
Indyref2 please.
There is another wall that most people outside Scotland don't seem to know of. The Antonine wall that runs from the Firth of Clyde to the Firth of Forth. Parts of it and its defenses can still be found. Would be nice if it got some attention.
the firth of forth sounds like a bad tongue twister lol.
@@CreateHarmony or anyone that knows anything about walls!!!!!
It's very well documented in fact and in every documentary on the topic of Rome in ancient Britain
I agree it should get more attention .People just think it ended at hadrians wall and it didn't..
@Phr34ky PHY The Antonine Wall was built of turf. A number of the Antonine Wall forts were built of stone too.
I love this channel. Every time I run out of Poscum, Wine, or oil, I cry inconsolably until a new Toldinstone video comes out, Or until my errand boy arrives from the market. Whichever comes first, and it’s usually the former!
errand boy
Praise Dionysius
Ash, tell us more about the intimate relationship you have with your "errand boy".
Seriously, the common thread that describes why the Romans stopped everywhere they stopped is cost/benefit. If a territory didn't promise a positive flow of wealth over cost, the Romans didn't bother with it.
Logical, make sense
Then why keep Britannia for so fucking long? Was poor as fuck and rainy all day. God.
@@kingbjorn1832 tryna exterminate celts
@@kingbjorn1832 perhaps natural resources (metals), but I can easily be wrong
Or they where just defeated. They did bother with it. When you retreat with broken armies it is easy to say it was not worth it. Remember we don't have the Scots or the Germanic tribes version of events. We just have the Roman excuses preserved in writing. And what about the Parthians? Rome fought them for hundreds of years because that was cost effective?
For the Romans there would have been something quite sinister about the short length of day in Winter. It's significant that they never conquered anywhere too remote from where you could cultivate wheat and grapes. And look what the barbarians did to them in 9 AD in the forests in the north of Germany. They called Ireland 'Hibernia' - land of winter, presumably thinking that being further from Rome, it was even colder than Caledonia. It must have seemed to them that the further from Rome you got in a generally north and west direction, the worse the weather, the food, and the barbarians became. Better just to build a wall and keep the buggers out .......
Make sense
That’s very fair. With modern luxuries like radiators and electric lights, the winter can seem more like an annoyance or a gimmick than anything. For large fractions of the world’s current population nowadays and almost everyone just 200 years ago? The winter was hell. That was when your children died and you desperately attempted to stay warm and alive.
Christmas and winter celebrations were a reminder of the good parts of life when they were all but gone.
To go from the warm and temperate Italy, France and Greece to place that would be frozen over 4 months of the year if it wasn’t for rainforest levels of annual rainfall (really, look it up) would be deeply discomforting and facing people who simply lived there their whole lives would be gruelling. The difference in general moral alone would play significantly into whether both soldiers and generals would want to fight, especially when there isn’t anything to really fight for.
@@themk4982 It's why they use such grim cinematography for movies in the northern parts of Europe, while the Mediterranean is always that vibrant summer with colorful architecture.
I agree with your analysis..
Except the story about the teotoburg forest in Germania
The Roman lost 3 legions because a Roman Knight of German origin, Arminius, prepared a trap in that forest
So nothing to do with the cold weather.
"Speak scout. What are our opponents like"
"These mofos be hurlin trees around for fun"
"Aight ima head out"
I've often wondered what was going through the minds of ordinary foot soldiers in these campaigns, especially the ones who came from warmer climates. They must have been really hacked off!
History tells us that it was not uncommon for soldiers stationed at Hadrian's Wall to desert or even join in with arriving raiding parties. I imagine the pay was not worth the posting.
Honestly, not a lot. They were very low IQ. Think about they, they were convinced to be footmen lol.
@@Nikolaj11 Oh dear, I'd be seriously annoyed if I was living at the border. Imagine you are being controlled by this occupying force, then they join in with raiding you as well.
I remember reading an article some years ago about letters or scraps of correspondence written on parchment found in a midden at one of the castles along the wall. So many referred to cold feet and the need of thick knitted wool socks! One, by the wife of a Roman officer was an invitation to a birthday party and she stressed bringing warm socks and cloaks. And those stone castles must have been iceboxes. I spent a week one August filming in a castle in La Mancha and although outside you could fry an egg on the pavement, inside it was dank and chill.
These are the letters of vindolanda fort
I love, love, love how almost every single video you drop is so refreshingly unique, and not the same old small obscure fact everyone already knows that somehow is then stretched into a 15 minute video by every other history/ random science 'fact' channel.
nah...every one of your videos is so well done, from the script being able to portray both concise generalizations and intimate peeks into the personal lives of the people you so perfectly portray. from the princes to the peasants to the vast array of incredible art pieces you somehow have, to the way you create such a vivid picture with the script
you have a gift my dude. you get me hyped about history. you're gonna blow up if u stay at it
Well said Tony
Yep totally agree. No 4 minute intro about "The land of queen Elizabeth was once a very different place...blablabla". Instead he immediately dives into the subject with the assumption that the listener has more than a middle school education. Told in Stone is truly a great channel
Well put. Consistent vibes of putting being a historian well before being another algorithm-chaser. Dude's cool
@@sdhflkjshdfskdhfskljdhf582 spoken even better than i.
Was having difficulty getting the general idea of what I was trying to say into actual words
But it always ends up too wordy. I like how you put it much better. Thank you lol.
Hear hear
What did Rocky say when he completed the Roman Wall?
Yo Hadrian! I did it!
"Hadrian, oh Hadrian!"
Interesting fact.The higher ground,cliffs etc along Hadrians wall are actually the point where two separate land masses collided millions of years ago.The same goes for Ulster and Southern Ireland.[they were originally "moored" just off Manhattan.]Same goes for Cornwall.That's why tin is only found there and nowhere else in Britain.
Angus mc bagpipe....
Just came back from Hadrian’s wall path. The Romans had a pretty solid defence and taxation system which was probably more value for money compared to a full occupation of Caledonia.
@Phr34ky PHY pretty sure taxing livestock would be enough to feed the troops - and in that sense it’s logical that Antonine Wall failed since there would be little trade
Exactly in comes down to money. We see empire maps and they have huge areas covered but the truth is most are more patchy based on $$. The romans were in Iberia about 200 BC til after rome fell yet never really took the north or Pyrenees mountains. They have ports on the coast but little inland on spains northern coast so ships could port every night or every couple but they were small. When an area was To rough, no great value, going to be an expensive expedition to take and then to garrison in an area guerilla warfare is made for, many empires are smart enough to save the money.
Easier to build a wall/ or come to an agreement with those tribes and just trade them for the few things worth it. In spain I'm saying good cheese and honey were the commodity worth the most in the mountains. Now the places to grow grain like the ebro valley, wine and olive oil in the south of Spain, the silver mines in the West and lets not forget fish and the Romans loved fish sauce which the best came tuna caught off Spain, that the romans did like and made $$$.
@Phr34ky PHY Most of the 'walls' in the Roman empire were used for tax purposes, Hadrian's wall was built to mark the northern boundary of the empire, but in all probability cattle were driven through it to be sold.
@@theodoresmith5272 it's absolutely true that trade was worth more than conquest, but Romans didn't think of themselves as mere merchants.
Before they invaded Britain it had already been established that peaceful trade would be far more profitable than occupying a rather backward, remote and strategically insignificant country, but later on they did it.
Not for profit but for the glory of their empire. Rather like countless civilisations before and since.
I drop this one everywhere i see the ad. That Established Titles thing is unconstitutional in the United States.
Article 1, section 9: "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."
It's also completely bogus in Scotland too. You'd get laughed back to the wall if you tried to (fake) Lord it up round here...
You presumably have no office of trust with the US Government so it's not unconstitutional. That only binds agents of the state, a Congressional rep or Vice President or whatever needs the consent of Congress to accept a title. The bigger issue is that established titles is a scam.
You don't understand that provision of the constitution. It means what it says. If you are a US Citizen that is not in holding governmental office, nothing stops you from getting a title from a foreign state. You don't even have to renounce citizenship.
Who cares? I have a star named after me. That's bogus, too.
Fun fact: Augustus also sent a naval expedition up along the coast of Jutland. From the description some guess that they made their final landfall at what is now "Harboøre Tange."
-Fun- Not so funny fact: The chemical plant of "Cheminova" now occupies the location. There are depots of highly toxic waste buried in the area so it's not safe to dig aorund there. So we might never know is this is where the Romans made their camp.
Additional fact: Don't go swimming in the sea in the immediate vicinity; some of those toxic depots are still leaking.
You didn't mention the Roman settlements at Glasgow or the Antonine Wall.
For an unimportant place there are two Emperors buried at York, Septimius Severus who is buried near the railway station but not yet found. Also Flavius Constantius, member of the Tetrachy and father of Constantine who was proclaimed Emperor by the northern legions at York.
In 43AD as part of the Roman invasion a young legionary officer, Vespasian captured the Southwest of England and after the Year of the four Emperors became the sole Emperor. Many other significant figures in Roman history ended up in Britain at some point of their lives.
You missed out gold, silver, lead, wheat and other exports to Rome which have left their mark on the landscape to this day.
Maybe not the most significant province, but not the least for sure.
Hear hear!
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- Sir Bagelz the Third
Caledonia offered very little economic benefit to the Romans. Its economy was far more backward than south of the Wall. Mineral deposits (gold, silver, lead, tin, iron etc were not available or exploited. Grain cultivation was limited for climatic reasons. So why bother?
Similar problem today
@@Oobido haggis
@@Oobido someone pissed in your haggis
@@Oobido someone pissed in your tea
True, the Romans decided that it was more economical to fortify the easily subjugated, submissive lands south of Caledonia.
The Romans were simply not used to a people they couldn't completely dominate
The podcast/TH-cam channel "Fall of Civilisations" had an excellent episode about the Romans in Britain.
Bonjour. I really enjoyed the vid. Just a couple of things. At that time most of Scotland's highlands were covered in mixed primordal forests like Scandinavia at the same latitude is today. Septimius Severus was the only Roman emporer born in Africa two winters spent campaigning in damp cold Scotland did him in.
A future Medieval Pope,after having visited Scotland, declared that civilization ended at Durham!
@@tolrem A young Viking on his second voyage, asked a older member of the crew if the Scots were tough as he had never been there. The response was 'well put it this way, they LIVE here'...
@@christopherharmon2433 Icelandic Viking to younger Viking.."Never fancied the tropics personally."
Eh why would they want to. It’s cold and raining all the time
How are the sponsors always so seamless and on topic? Your seaways are very clever.
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was literally just wondering this the other day, and now you make a video on it. bravo!
Forehead Fables has brought me here. Sticking around and subbed good sir.
Love your book!
As someone who's been passionate about history in general and Roman history specifically for as long as I can remember (to the point I'm now working on a PhD in Roman history), this channel is consistently amazing and hugely informative, as well as fun! Keep up the fantastic work :)
I do love this channel! Thank you, Dr
Just picked up your book. Love it, keep the videos coming man!
Was so effing cool seeing you on the forehead fables podcast, that was really fun.
It was - I had a great time
I appreciate you say AD. :)
And really enjoy your informative and well documented videos.
great video, always love to see you in the recommended!
Fascinating stuff! Thank you.
As a Scot I highly enjoyed this video and the distances that Rome made into my country are impressive considering we only learn about the 2 walls
Hi scotty. Do you see northern lights at the antoniuswall?
@@aka99 from time to time it will get as far as the central belt on extreme occasions so that would be a yes but incredibly incredibly rare.
Fantastic video! I learned a lot, as others have said. I went to Hadrian’s Wall with my father about 15 years ago. Housesteads Fort, I believe? A truly beautiful and awe inspiring sight.
Lucky you. Few British can afford the entrance fee!
@@donaldhoult7713 these days no one can on either side of the Atlantic!
Great video. Thank you.
A well constructed explanation of this often discussed subject. Thank you for the video.
I love your videos! 👍
Also, the forts had much more comforts than any military castles or barracks before the 19th century. Solid masonry walls , tiled roofs, glass windows, heating in the baths outside the castles and access to the goods provided by the largest free trade area the world had ever seen
Glass windows? I find that hard to believe. Sorry.
@@cerberus6654 well I have seen the fragments being excavated with my own eyes. Sorry if this does not fit your preconceptions of the past
@@robertosans5250 No need to be so snarky. If they did use glass then I am happy to know that. I assumed it was probably something much cheaper like horn or even vellum. Or nothing other than a wooden shutter.
That is fine. I do not like this kind of exchanges. Enjoy your day
@@cerberus6654 they did have glass windows. Romans had the most advanced glass technology till modern era and because they invented the glass blowing technique, for the first time in history glass was cheap to mass produce and easily available for (almost) everyone. ps they also invented colorless glass
Thanks for another great video!!!
Awesome pictures & history!
Your narration skills with images are great. I wonder if youd consider doing a proper fullon series of roman history from the beginning to end like Mommsen for example
There is another wall that is less known to people outside of Scotland Antonines wall I was lucky enough to find out that part of it actually runs parallel with my back garden in Falkirk time to get the metal detector out 😆
Ugh! I’m jealous! Did you find anything?
I live in Canada and the most I could find is a few coins. Not much history here!
@@omomo202 I was beat to it by a TV crew doing a documentary about antonines wall they unearthed a roman Fort a small one but a Fort none the less no coins found though just bits of pottery etc
@@ianbrown3493 well, keep digging! When I lived in Romania a family I knew found a small clay oil lamp in perfect condition! It was tiny but very cute! You never know..
@@omomo202 hopefully they missed something that I can find then I'm fortunate enough to live in a town where the Romans built a lot of structures time will tell if I find anything of interest
Another great video! It was good to hear you on the forehead fables podcast, best of luck with your future videos!
Thank you for your videos.
If they found out about the big nuggets of gold in most of the rivers in scotland history may have been a lot different.
Great work, Garrett!
I'd like to see Robert Eggers take a shot at directing a movie about Septimius Severus' campaign in Scotland and the ensuing bloodshed.
Just watched the Northman, and think he'd make it moody and brilliant.
Yeah, guess will neverhappend
Thanks as always!
Found you out on forehead fables, your channel is amazing, I've gotta check out your books too!
Subscribed. I liked this. No nonsense and just giving me the skinny on what the video is about.
The Antonine wall is better than Hadrian's. The Romans built it 20 years after the latter. It crosses the central belt of scotland, the narrow bit before all the mountains. My grandparents house is built right next to a section of it. Just a ruin now obviously. The wall, not the house, which is fine, but not Roman..
I think you are missing one key point, that many who havent made a study of scotland in the post-roman period usually miss. Rome did conquer almost the whole of Scotland including half of the highlands essentially the part that would become Pictland post-rome. They didn't attack Argyll and the Western Isles (old Scotland) but tried to block all land routes using the Glen Blocker Forts. The choice of the glen blocker forts is the key turning point not the fall back to the antonine wall and hadrians wall. Argyll and the Western Isles had no land access until the start of the British empire and Roads only with the arrival of the motorcar. It was an entirely sea based economy and set on the most dangerous seas on the planet. Only the Vikings and the Royal Navy have ever conquered it and the Vikings soon lost it to a local rebellion. Even medieval the scottish crown which had moved East to Old Pictland becoming land based couldn't recover their homeland from the Lord of Isles who was sea based. Rome simply didn't have the boats for the job.
Thanks man I didn't know that 🤔
Ceaser had a fleet of about ~630 ships made in less than a year, to ferry his troops across the channel. As the video suggests, the reason the Romans didn't bother conquering Scotland, is much simpler than a lack of boats. There simply wasn't enough wealth in Scotland to steel to make it worth the effort. Personally I wonder if that was a bit of a short sighted attitude - perhaps if they had pacified the Northern frontier they would have less problems later on, but who knows.
General Agricola actually did conquer much of Scotland for a time, before his recall by a jealous Emperor Domitian
What do you mean the Romans didn't have boats? The Roman had a perfectly functional fleet and were able to support joint army-navy and amphibious landings without problem. If anything the Roman technological superiority was even greater on sea than on land. Even if we only look at the North Sea, just sea how easily Caesar dealt the nautically minded Veneti (of Armorica, not the Adriatic ones), or wiping out the druids on Mona.
Excellent post✨
Got your book! Entertaining and informative reading!
As always, excellent
I forget who said it but,
“The Romans chose to leave the Scots alone to fight their never-ending war against the Scots.”
there was no such term as the Scots in the roman period. pointless and inaccurate quote
@@fanroche8573 it was a 17th century historian writing on the topic
Sounds like Groundsman Willie from the Simpsons
@@wstevenson4913 😂
@@duriuswulkins4324 yes but why use a quote that is non sensical
I recently watched a video about a what if scenario of the Romans not conquering England so this came out in the perfect time
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Awesome video
"Last one back gets murdered by Rod Stewart's grandfather!" Blackadderus, probably.
They didn’t want it for the same reasons the British built vast overseas empires: the British food, the British weather and the British women.
British food can be quite nice(surprisingly) the big problem is that its extremely unhealthy.
@@georget5874 Pretty telling that even you only thought the food might be defensible lol
Have you heard the squadie on Geoff Hoon? The Basra comment?
@@georget5874 At a fast food joint in Yorkshire, the menu included blood pudding and kidney pie. I ordered a hamburger. When I got it, it turned out to be a really thin ground-beef patty that had been breaded and deep-fried, in a plain bun. There was ketchup on the table tho, so I added it to my sandwich, and it wasn't bad. Maybe I should have been more daring and gone with the kidney pie. A normal pub sandwich was ONE slice of bologna between two slices of white bread. No mayo, no lettuce or tomato. In London we stuck with the foreign restaurants: Indian, Chinese, Hungarian, and American, all excellent. However I did have a solidly British roast beef dinner at one restaurant that was outstanding. So, maybe you need to know where to go to find the best British food.
Definitely the weather, less the other two. We’ve sampled them all and decided we’re the best, just need some more land to go in holiday.
I just bought your book today Ryan. It's my next read after the current book I'm tackling. I should be starting it in the next week or two.
Subscribed, great video always good to see content on my homeland Scotland 🏴
Very good, thanks. In short, the Romans never tried to conquer Scotland because... it's Scotland. And I say that as a Stewart.
And I, as a Bruce, could not agree with you more!
I second that.
@@johnstewart1590 And my other family names are, Lyons and Stewart. I'm a Canadian. My ancestors came over in 1757, first to Florida, then Boston then Nova Scotia. Expelled first by the Spanish, then by the Americans.
And it's full of Scots...
@@johnstewart1590 me too, i'm a McGregor
1:20 Watching Geta's face being erased from the "Severan Tondo" is actually pretty sad. Not only Caracalla dared to kill his own brother, but also tried to destroy his legacy. Sure even Cain would find him disgusting...
P.S.: The fact they haven't made a single movie or tv show about the Severan dinasty is simply a crime
Other Roman history creators have called him the common enemy of mankind not without reason.
@@Moredread25 Caracalla Gave All people of the roman empire their citizenship how he can be enemy of humankind ?
@@starcapture3040 everything else the guy did. One good deed does not redeem his term of office.
@@Moredread25 this is huuuuuuuuuuuuuge one
@@starcapture3040 He only did that to make everyone pay taxes. It wasn't a kind gesture at all
General Sam's endorsement of your book finally got me to pick it up. I love it 🙂
Off topic but the pictures you used were so beautiful and calming.
I have to assume that Asterix & Obelix came to the rescue of their North-West European brethren.
at that time Scotland was covered in forests, mountains etc ( the highlands were deforested centuries later to allow pastural farming) and its people were in many smaller tribes, the Romans would have to defeat and then police hundreds of clans and tribes continuously from then on with little of value coming in to pay for the cost of garrison. Britannia was ruled by Rome for near 400 years. the parts now making up England and Wales were much more fertile and settled already. there were also mineral resources like gold and tin * the latter being surprisingly rare in those days with few mines within the empire. the Roman legions left Britain in 410AD
Perfect video.
Easily the smoothest TH-cam sponsorship segue I’ve ever seen. Total stealth, total thematic inclusion. Mad respect
That's an easy one: they heard the dialect and ran.
Aye! And we have better sweary words.
they weren't even speaking the same language as today...
As a scot I look around and laugh I can see why the Eagle never wanted to spread its wings here 😂
Thank you for not having background music.. much appreciated
you got a new subscriber from your forehead fables cameo keep doing great job :)
_Why Didn't the Romans Conquer Scotland?_
Have you seen it?
The Picts were indominable. Hadrians Wall was built to protect the Romans from attacks from the fierce Picts.
This guys video titles. Are all the questions I wanna ask. Perfection
Nice after years of wondering, and even visiting Hadrian's Wall, to know why the northern limes were there.
Fair point, but worth pointing out that there are plenty Roman remains north of Hadrian's Wall, though admittedly they are pretty unimpressive!
Arthur's O'on was an impressive Roman structure in Stenhousemuir, probably visible from the Antonine Wall, until an 18th century landowner decided to demolish it to build a dam with the stones.
The Scots were too mental for the Romans to handle
Source: My Scottish ancestry
do you happen to know if there is any "bad blood" between the Scots and the Welsh? I am an american so my perspective is different. I have a good amount of welsh heritage and have always been drawn to other people with Irish/Scottish/English/Welsh ancestry, but i have noticed that the Scots, while they can be your best friend they can be difficult to read/understand sometimes. Is that a thing or is it just me?
@@nn-dj2nu no animosity. Until the mid 1800s you could travel from the north of Scotland down the west through Wales to amorica speaking Celtic languages the whole way.
@@davidgalloway266 ok thanks for the reply
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No large population to tax, no gold or silver mines, too cold for Romans' liking. Not worth their time. Also I don't think Septimius Severus intended on conquering Scotland - from my reading it seems he wanted to literally exterminate the tribes living in Scotland. Had he succeeded I doubt he would've colonised it afterward, for all the above reasons.
So, Romans wanted to conquer and subjugate what became England and Wales and managed it with aplomb.
Fine.
The Romans wanted to exterminate the northern tribes, tried repeatedly, couldn't manage it and so they withdrew and built fortified defences against those same tribes.
But the takeaway is what? They didn't want to exterminate them or they simply couldn't?
@@paulbradley7410 They wanted to exterminate them (or beat them into submission) but couldn't. Both Agricola and Septimius Severus's campaigns against them are very well documented and their reasons for failing to subdue/exterminate them are really quite simple:
The tribes were small and mobile, they refused to engage the legions in battle and left scorched earth behind them. The legions had to rely on long supply lines from England which were open to raiding once they crossed Hadrian's Wall. There was scant/nil foraging to be had for the legions so they inevitably became riddled with hunger and disease.
Ultimately spending years campaigning there to wipe out a minor nuisance, gaining absolutely nothing in return (no loot, no fertile land, no large populations to tax, no gold or silver mines, no large amounts of slaves, absolutely nothing) just wasn't worth it for Rome. Building a wall to keep them out was much easier.
The above video states that even those parts of Britain that the Romans held for centuries were not worth the cost of maintaining large garrisons.
In fact it would have saved the empire money and men if they had eradicated the northern tribes, which they certainly tried to do but ultimately failed and so they withdrew from the north and spend huge sums of money and manpower building fortified walls and keeping it manned.
@@Aethelhald That's the issue though, they wanted total dominance, be it subjugation or eradication, both of which the Romans spent many years attempting but in the end they could not do it.
We can agree that the local tribes made good use of the landscape to hide and launch attacks and raids then disappear again, but that still means that the most formidable army in the ancient world could not defeat those tribes without bringing in far more soldiers than they wanted to.
That is warfare. The Romans used the same tactics and warfare that had worked almost everywhere they used it. In this case they withdrew, which I've no doubt was a major blow for morale and the army's sense of Gloria Exercitus
@@paulbradley7410 Nah, they still could, they just didn't have the will to ultimately see it through because it wasn't truly worth it and the defensive mindset had already kicked in. Severus actually won his campaign in Caledonia, occupied territory and forced the tribes to surrender to his wishes, despite him losing considerable amounts of his army and the whole campaign being a clusterfuck.
He was even preparing another army to invade and finish the job but he died, and his successors had much bigger things to worry about than the nuisance Caledonians for the rest of the history of the WRE.
Surely the title should change to '...more of Scotland and keep it.'
Love ur content mate please do some ancient Egypt stuff
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
I hope Toldinstone can do some episodes about Alexander the Great's empire and how he made it. I know his videos are almost exclusively about Ancient Rome but the story of Alexander the Great carving out one of the biggest empires in history in just over a decade is fascinating to me and doesn't get enough attention.
Have u looked for Alexander the Great in youtiube?
@@aka99 yes and I have also watched a couple videos but I'd love to hear the story in the toldinstone style
Stay tuned...
A rough and ready measurement of how wealthy or sophisticated a particular society is is whether or not they can produce coinage.
Coins were first minted in Asia Minor around 600 BC and the concept rapidly spread throughout the Mediterranean world and as far as India. Coinage made the practise of administration and trade much more efficient.
Coins were being minted by the inhabitants of Gaul by 300 BC and coins were being produced in what is now southern England by 200 BC, around 40,000 examples of such early British coinage are in museums today.
Societies capable of producing coinage were prime targets for Roman aggression. The societies were capable of generating large surpluses which the Romans could confiscate and used to pay for their administration and military occupation.
In this context is worth noting that the earliest Irish coins date from around the year 1000 AD and the earliest coinage to be minted in Scotland did not occur until 1100 AD.
I still use coins. In fact, I will probably use coins at least a couple times today, as I prefer to use cash instead of cards or other digital payments.
The Roman Empire knew that you don't mess with warriors who are willing to fight near naked.
The original wall was something like 10 to 16 feet high. The missing height resides in fences and buildings for miles around.
The Scot’s had a secret weapon. The bagpipes.
it instilled fear into the heart of the Roman Empire.
A bit early for the bagpipes.
@@patrickporter1864 oh dang.
The scots mostly lived in what was Ireland at the time they hadn't settled in what became Scotland.
"Why didn't the Roman's conquer Scotland?" .. Have you been to Scotland? ..I wouldn't bother conquering it either! XD
Well, that’s a unique sponsor, I’ll give you that! 🤣
I’m in Leeds West Yorkshire and it’s not too far off the truth the description.😀
Well Romans built a wall because there was nothing of value up north and to ward off raids. I do remember in the beginning Romans and Scots had an open terrain conventional battle which the Scots lost and from there on the scots only went guerilla mode.
Was not to ward off raids, it was ti control trade. The wall was only ever like 5 feet tall
One account from a Legionnaire suggested it was the smell of the Scots that prevented a full scale invasion.
Another historian argues that it was their anti-civilizational tendencies and constant fleeing that made conquest impossible.
I have an early memory of waking along a 20M or so stretch of hadrians wall as a 2 or 3 year old
When describing Scotland in the 7th minute, I was nodding away thinking "Ireland too haha"
The decision to be cautious expanding much more than august did was the right decision. Conquering Scotland when you have more pressing goals would be a net negative
@Phr34ky PHY what do you personally think they were losing out on conquering Scotland? The hills? Most places with the geography of hills has something that would at least break even for the emperors like cities and ridiculous gold mines.
You know the titles thing is a scam right?
I can't imagine anyone has ever thought they would become an actual Laird by getting a certificate from Established Titles. It's a gag gift.
Thank you ! Looking forward to more videos as I know I need a refresher on my history. It seems the Emperor's acted rationally. If they extend too far. It is too hard to maintain and their resources (i.e. Military, etc.) become less effective. Better to consolidate too territories that contribute to the bottom line and make Rome wealthy.
The Romans invaded Scotland on no less than 4 occasions. 2 of these were led by the emperor himself. There is a higher concentration of Roman fortifications in Scotland than there is anywhere else in the world. Agricola claimed to have subjugated the Orkney Islands in 80ad and another province named Valeria was noted after the campaign's of Theodosius.