Pretty much half our clan gave up on Siege, not setting defence or attacking. we just BARELY managed to break their stronghold and win this siege but it sat there with 1 Defence left on Stronghold for like 16hours with no1 doing it...
I personally LOVE this gamemode - in our clan I am responsible for leading this. Helping people build for PvP has been absolutelly A-WE-SO-ME! Seeing homies get better with each Siege, and getting higher in Tag Arena as a bonus is super rewarding! Sure - I had to give a LOT of my free time for everyone, but once people get the hang of it, you don't even have to lead during Siege - everyone looks for good counterpicks by himself! Feels like clan bond got definitelly stronger!!!
5:30 ... there are defently clans out there with inactive clan leaders that are very old. You would basically end them with this. And if only 25% of their members then leave raid it is a huge problem. If you've got a playerbase that's way older then even doomtower you can't put in content that makes them having to interact that drastically more. You may loose wales that way. Some people have no interest in siege. Again Saph. Up till now, think before you speak. Cause you speak for everyone, but you do not think about everyone. Not every clan or especially clan leader has time for that. And Plarium needs to keep that in mind.. You obviously could say "but raid needs to evolve" now. But I would argue that base raid was a game that many people really liked. And many of them still play it. Some of them paid money. They got them addicted to this game with what it was. And I think there is an argument to say that if several of them are clan leaders....it is kind of harsh to say that a human now should take hours of his week reviewing his clans defense or attack teams to approve them. And otherwise he looses his clan.... Now sure...you could have said the exact same thing you said with the addition "clan leaders could delegate someone else to do this, clans could search for people interested in this gamemmode and very good f2p players may even get into big clans this way cause of their finesse in accepting and helping with the best attack and defense teams". F some wale Clans prolly would have paid some kid for that. But again. You didn't think this through from every perspectiv. The addition would have made it great for f2ps to get into big clans and for very active clans and leaders to have fun. We may have had a top 10 of best decision makers in defenses betwenn the top 1000 clans....F go ahead and even hand them badges or something to show it off. But the way you said it...if they would do it that way without the mechanic of a clan leader delegating it to another member. You would have Clan Leaders years into the gamr either spending hours of their freetime or loosing their members. And that's the problem I have with you. Instead of something very competetive where the best decisionmakers prolly even would have switched around between the top clans you again thought that every person on earth has 12 hours a day for raid. And again you would have claimed: "well should he really be the leader if he doesn't want to interact with the game this much anyway, it's only 2 hours every 2 weeks"....that's nit how it works.
I agree : it's a great game mode ! I like the fact that clanmates have to work together to achieve victory. In Siege you get the feeling that you are part of a Clan. And this game mode doesnt require a lot of time (unlike Hydra for instance) For me, the main issue is the ability for Clans to manage their matchmaking by doing intentional losses when they know they'll win the Siege. This should be fixed ASAP
We won every match, I dont understand losing a match to win the next. We are 100% because we have a balanced team. 20 krakens 10 beginners. Top player has 63 defensive wins, next has 52 next is 49 next is 47 next is 44 our bottom 10 players hide behind these players in strong hold. How is this a hard concept to grasp
Basically peopel use Rematches to lose 2 on purpose to lower their tier points = this means they stay more towards 2100 (the entry for tier 6) when they have the power of a much stronger. Gives them a larger pool of potential clans to matchup. Losing to rig matchmaking is bad design.
@@HHGamingNetwork There will always be some people in a clan that do not like PVP. We do not focus our time and efforts min maxing pvp teams. We do the bare minimum in pvp game modes because it is required for fusions or daily quests. We now have 4 "pvp" game modes, all with significant issues.
My clan (mostly in the U.S.) went to sleep thinking we had hopelessly lost our clan siege match against a much stronger clan. Woke up this morning to discover that the other clan had intentionally lost over 60 battles in the night to secure the loss for themselves. This game mode will fall into disfavor quickly if Plarium cannot eliminate the incentives for this behavior.
The matchmaking takes 3 hours, then we get a clan sooooomuch weaker than us that it was not even fun to win, I am sure it was not enjoyable for them and not for us either, matchmaking needs to improve.
@@UlfUlfsonWhile this is often true, it’s important not to miss actual issues by dismissing it as whining. Things like the current Polymorph and lockout meta, the issues with Siege and LA and the new really annoying Hydra changes are actual issues.
@SSuser-go7jm we must always be mindful that when using the internet many forums there will always be miserable people that are get self worth and pleasure from trolling and insulting people. Ad hominem is a tell tale sign of such a person
Saph, really? Again? Cursed city is too easy? you bit your tongue the first time you said that and then regretted it. ask how many players can clear cursed city, less than 0,001 % of the players I would say.
I see many clans failing to take our stronghold when they should have gear and champions to do it. Most common reason seems to be that clan is using horribly bad strategy that is everyone for them selfes. Basically none is leading the fight.
Siege is by far my favorite game mode and definitely something we were lacking in this game. The amount of eye opening moments with clan mates on the real strength of their account has made even the most reluctant enjoy the game mode. Sometimes people had the champs they just didn't know how to build or what the best use is for them. Been an absolute joy to help others. One thing they need to implement sooner than later is the reward condition change. The biggest frustration for my clan is making sure the little guy can get a win. This drags the coordination till the last moment depending on what is opened up and available. Also please please Plarium, add a way for us to watch the battles. Just seeing the success or failure of an battle would go a long way for helping clanmates.
Yes I agree Siege economy is broken...no pint repair or even upgrade buildings...hope they update siege soon and fix economy. Also I would like if clan leaders could move all clan members teams in all tower and posts.
They should give the Leaders/Officers more powers or control over the battlefield... What's the point of Leadership if there's none over the battlefield? Leaders should have a certain control over the battlefield. Because every clan have players who are stubborn or don't listen instructions. Kicking them out, is not a viable solution in long term...Not every clan have 30 devoted clanmates. We all have a life outside the game. Meaning we have to understand that too.
Our clan got it serious. We have 2 people with excel sheets including all post conditions, meta/condition/unity champs of each clan member or sometimes even full roster using optimiser. They work really hard during prep phase to set everything, but it pays off cause we are 6-1 on wins already starting in tier 6. Without discord it wouldn't be possible. Clan leaders and deputies should at least see clan member's champs to have better picture of each member's strenght and weakness.
Not something I'm interested in. PVP not really my thing, been playing for 3 years and my great hall isn't even half completed. By the time I've done daily quests, clan boss, hydra, faction wars, doom tower, dungeons, minotaur and events or fusions I'm going for, I don't have time to build teams.
Hello, thanks for the video, you brought up the current problems of this mode. It’s a pity that I didn’t see the same video from you about Hydra with the abuse of the system for selecting opponents in Hydra Clash, this would have helped the developers not only see the problem but also make efforts to change the situation. Clans create several reserve clans for themselves and gradually move from one to another, so that they always come across weak opponents. This allowed them to take all the stoneskin jewelry all this time and incredibly strengthen the champions in the arena. Only now we have received guaranteed rewards, which has improved the situation a little. But in general, this shows the attitude towards this kind of abuse in competitive modes: CvC, Hydra Clash, Siege.
Both clans i'm in ignore it. It's really only made for top clans to have something to do. Much like LA, CvC, and Hydra Clash, majority don't see the point in it, too much effort for too little and match making is atrocious, so even if you are trying you just get demolished. Make people do the minimum.
I somewhat like the herding cats aspect of Siege. I just wish there was a notes section on each fight, so you can leave information for other players. I like the concept of repair as well - but the prices should be a little lower compared to earnings. I think the idea of not having all buildings ever fixed is good - so the clan has to decide what to fix in conjunction with strategy - but you should probably be able to repair the lvl 1 stronghold each time, if everyone works together.
I like siege but I struggle also. My clan is fairly end game and I probably have one of the weaker accounts. It doesn't feel like I am giving much to the cause.
I think solution to economy, match making and intentional loses is very simple. They need to give us something for having more points in tier. And this could be florins. If they leave the system of upgrading and repairing buildings as it is, you want to earn enough florins to repair all your buildings and also you want other clans not to earn enough, so you can easily beat them next time. So if they give us like 10xflorins of your tier points after siege is finished, the higher points you have, the better, because you can repair everything and you can face someone with broken buildings. I would also adjust the matchmaking system, that first criteria should be clan power and then tier points, so if there is a clan with 350 mil power and 3400 tier points and krakens with 2B power with 3200 points, they never go against each other. Matchmaking would find clan with 420 mil power and 3100 points to face the first one and the clan with 1,8 B power and 3500 points would face the second one. I believ this could work. The most important thing is, if they want us to earn tier points, they have to give us adequate prize for it, which is more attractive than trying to stay low and find easier opponents.
I'm in a clan where the majority of the people do not regularly communicate via discord or any other form of massage whatsoever. I would like a system where everyone can put in 3 teams, similar to TTA and the leadership can assign teams from the resulting pool of teams to whatever post/building they want. Make it that every person has to have at least one team put into a building before you can select any second team. That way everyone gets rewards. Every remaining team just fills in as a reserve team. Would be cool for those who want to engange with the system, because organizing would be so much better and you would not force clanmates into participating that much more, because the only thing they have to do is set up 3 teams and forget about siege forever
I truly also want them to allow re battles to apply to all special towers instead of mana yellow tower so their can be more chances of getting more flourins
Seige has been fun interacting with clan mates but at the same time its been abysmal. We have upgraded our stronghold so we just keep getting beat due to the excess attacks. Now the stronghold is destroyed so the extra slots are useless but the opponent gets the attacks. In fact all of out buildings have been destroyed since about week 3 or 4. The economy is horrible and has really taken away a lot of the fun. I feel like the Posts should be free to pick the boost you want-no mana involved. Let clans use mana to set bigger buffs and maybe set special biffs for the tower section. The post themselves should be completely open to pick roster restrictions. That would make the game mode a bit tougher but a lot more fun. The rewards have been pretty good overall. We are probably 3-2 so far so that's been a bit of a chore. We have taken the opponent stronghold every match. This week we had 2 more victories than the opponent but it was a total wipe for us. I will say of they want the factions guardians to be powerful they need to open up the post restrictions so those champs have actual use. I think of the ones I have (no teox) i only use Fyna. I find the others to be pretty bad in comparison to several of the champs I own.
Yeah, there are some glitches in the game. One has to do with i got booted out of game when reloaded the game, I couldn't even use rebattle scroll. Also, I had two teams in one, in the meant part, the other in the mana. we had 11 min left to the game. I was still undefeated, and I logged out. Around 4 hours later, I logged back in. My team disappeared as if it was never even in the mana at all. I even had a backup team saved in the game as well. They are investigating the issue, but I can say start taking ss of your troops beginning during and after the tournament. Good luck.
Well a solution to fix the rig of the rating could be simply your clan get rating just if you win the siege and maybe counting how many post you defended and destroyed at the end. I would stop to give points to each attack (or defense), and of course saving an hidden rating to each member (same as cvc hidden rating run atm) so no one can switch clan to reset their rating. The only way to drop their rating would be losing the entire siege on purpose, but at least they paid a price to do that.
Every week since the first I go to Defence Tower 5 and Post 17. Currently my defence has held and is sitting at 44 defence wins. As long as my defence holds It prevents 7 capture points from being taken so generally we win.
So far I’m overall happy with siege. 6-9 6* legendary or mythical artifacts(plus other things)of a good set are worth the small time needed. I’ve farmed thousands of energy in the event dungeon and my Feral gear is much better than my pinpoint…..my feral gear rolled like crap but it’s still overall better and not 1/2 5* rare artifacts.
My clan really enjoys it. Our only issue is matchmaking. We are a strong tier 5 clan but every other siege we end up in tier 6 and some of the clan can't even win 1fight to get any rewards and even our strongest struggle. We have resorted to dumping fights to stay under tier 6
Siege is a good mode. I don't why matchmaking cannot be based on Clan power. Then there is no intensive to loose. This may not be 100% component, but let's say 50/50. Half comes from clan power and half comes from siege ranking (similar in CvC). There is never a lot of fun if you face a lot weaker or a lot stronger clan.
Great video Saph but I have to say that the match making system is broken. I'm in a fairly strong mid range clan but we've never liked doing clan v clan so the match making for us puts us against way worse clans to the point we have never lost a clan siege and I have 48 fragments for Lamasu. I like winning but I would really like to have more competition in the game mode
On one hand this is great feedback to Plarium as there are very few with interest and knowledge to dig so deep into the game with the ability to provide genuine feedback. On the other hand, the voice of one or few content creators do not necessarily reflect the true opinion of the silent majority. This is more of a general comment/reaction to the video title and not specifically aimed at the points raised in this specific video.
After checking hydra score. Poorly implemented but we had what we wanted. I have to admit im happy about that one .( I don t own trunda, built a wyxwell team.)
My Clan so far won everything! 7/7! and we just entered Tier 6 The first few Sieges we got rid of a handful of members refusing to communicate but for a few weeks now we have a stable roster. As the one in charge of coordinating Siege I gotta say this: the clan got real motivated and much more active together! Some people don't write but at least read the instructions given. 2 weeks ago we had an absolutely huge challenge that took the entire clan to beat, but it felt so good to overcome big obstacles together. After our last siege members started brainstorming more ideas for champs that they could build for just Siege and the overall interest in PvP increased greatly, quite a few members got motivated and finally reached Gold in Tag after not wanting to mess with that Ramanthu mission We have stopped using all Flourins and are just hording them, Mana Orbs get used in Post Conditions but other than that we have told everyone to just hold everything. Every siege we are placing more Posts with Conditions as everyone gets more of a feel for the kind of teams that work well and we have found a few teams that can actually stop an enemy. Normal posts cant really stop the enemy clan, but with the right condition, there is a chance to block of an area completely. What I would love to see as well is the repair cost removed! At the moment the attackers advantage is still very huge, but if we could actually use Magic Towers and such, it becomes much more a challenge to get through the defenses. I am pretty proud about 7/7 wins as most of it comes from me working with all of the members to find what their roster could do best for both offense and defense 3 wins away from Lamasu! We are actually trying to be the first clan in the world to get her, but with just reaching Tier 6 it might get too hard, but lets see.
Yeah. Also upgrade is simple. Each has 2 defences. Allow no reserves above 60 defences. You upgrade - you cant fill all defences, so need to sacrifice somewhere. and yeah eventually will be full stronghold, but then you choose post or shrines and so on. Also give stats for leaders who fight and who not. I cant check everything 😂
There needs to be a winner no matter what. I disagree with the take the repair costs out. They should fix it. I think he answered this question but forgot when he posted this video. If clans can constantly set restrictions then mythicals will always have an even bigger advantage than they already do. repair cost reduce the chance that players will consistently run into this scenario.
So they released a statement on Sept 6 I believe that was about your clan winning to efficiently. One of the fixes was that you just needed to set a defense. Was that a suggestion? Because I didn’t get any rewards because my clan wiped the enemy before I got a chance, but I still attacked 4 mana shrines… Feels bad because this was a win where we maxed it out and I would’ve gotten a ton of rewards instead of getting stomped like we normally do😢
The post condition not only get worse as you lvl up but spread out the good one with the bad one... atm at lvl 1 you get lizardman, bl, def, hp and support which is super strong... when you lvl up to 2 you get void, magic, spirit, force, undead added to the pool which arent that great as condition and to wide to counter. There isnt a you shall not pass combo from lvl 2 when you have lots of option from lvl one.... why would i want to lvl 2 and decrease my chance at building better teams?
I hate Siege. We were unfairly stronger on the first Siege, so I was like, okay, this is poorly designed. Then we were the clearly outmatched team the next time and we have been staring at red broken shields on our post since then. It is garbage. (IMO, of course)
this weeks siege was so weird, since the siege came out my clan never encountered so many empty buildings, idk if the enemy clan members quit or just a tactic to tank ratting
I personally enjoy the siege so far no loses ( next siege i realy doubt we can keep it this way xD) i would to see an option on be able to see a battle that is in progress just as spectator i dont know if this is something too hard to do
Please keep preaching this it literally makes no sense they way they did the repairing and upgrading not sure wth they were thinking with the concept smh
oh it is a really really good game mode, is it Saph? then why is my whole clan bored to tears by it? I sure hope this is no indication for what is considered a good game mode in godforge
Siege problems….no one with a brain is going to upgrade the Stronghold. The stronghold in most cases gets destroyed every siege. And clans don’t earn enough florins to repair it every siege. This means enemy clans get 30 more attack scrolls but we can’t repair stronghold to use higher level bonuses. Total stupidity…they need to fix this now. Stronghold should be repaired automatically in each new siege or drastically increase the amount of florin rewards. Other buildings should be upgradeable independent of Stronghold.
@@eetu4302 feral is useless set only good as a filler piece and it’s meh. I’m an end game account and I only use like 5 gear sets that being ss, protection, savage, speed, and pinpoint maybe some relentless but not anymore with the hydra changes so like why bother. It’s a terrible set 6 piece makes no sense with pinpoint and 9 piece makes 0 sense since protection gives me more value. Feral needs a buff for it to compete. 6 piece should stay the same but 9 piece should be the same as pinpoint 100% resistance to sheep would make the set a lot better. Maybe personal opinion but even hydra what’s the point when you have 600 pieces of stone skin already and they keep giving 5* pieces
But everybody does this 5.4 mil. so nobody gets this said benefit. Should it exist? no, but there really isn't any benefit because everybody does it. Our casual clan is even doing it, and we're just lolligagging around in tier 1
Needs to not be all or nothing. Winning at the lower end of the bracket shouldnt be worth so much more than barely losing against the top opponent. Regardless of what they do there will always be way to game matchmaking to some degree so just make it so its not incentified.
Off topic of video but so pissed what raid did to clan boss demon. Lord. They nerfed it into the ground. My clan was reduced to 3 people who can 1 key now raid lied and ruined it people worked hard to one key teams and now it takes 2 or 3 for them. Seriously thinking of quitting the game. Plarium lies too much
@@mattshelton7423 you set a team and do 3 battles… its not a huge task. Just make it part of CvC. Fighting another clan seems more to the heart of the game than who can make the most perception gear.
You realize that content creators aren't in the Plarium game design team, right? They don't make any decisions. Your team got nerfed to make you buy shards, nothing else.
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Pretty much half our clan gave up on Siege, not setting defence or attacking. we just BARELY managed to break their stronghold and win this siege but it sat there with 1 Defence left on Stronghold for like 16hours with no1 doing it...
Another thing you didn't mention: you can't upgrade until the building is repaired.
20/100 frags collected, its gonna be over a year more to get the champ which is frankly redickulous
I personally LOVE this gamemode - in our clan I am responsible for leading this. Helping people build for PvP has been absolutelly A-WE-SO-ME! Seeing homies get better with each Siege, and getting higher in Tag Arena as a bonus is super rewarding! Sure - I had to give a LOT of my free time for everyone, but once people get the hang of it, you don't even have to lead during Siege - everyone looks for good counterpicks by himself! Feels like clan bond got definitelly stronger!!!
It sucks for me and my clan... We go against krackens over and over and just get abused..... I think we have only won once
The matchmaking sucks. Weve lost 4 back to back.
5:30 ... there are defently clans out there with inactive clan leaders that are very old. You would basically end them with this. And if only 25% of their members then leave raid it is a huge problem. If you've got a playerbase that's way older then even doomtower you can't put in content that makes them having to interact that drastically more. You may loose wales that way. Some people have no interest in siege. Again Saph. Up till now, think before you speak. Cause you speak for everyone, but you do not think about everyone. Not every clan or especially clan leader has time for that. And Plarium needs to keep that in mind..
You obviously could say "but raid needs to evolve" now. But I would argue that base raid was a game that many people really liked. And many of them still play it. Some of them paid money. They got them addicted to this game with what it was. And I think there is an argument to say that if several of them are clan leaders....it is kind of harsh to say that a human now should take hours of his week reviewing his clans defense or attack teams to approve them. And otherwise he looses his clan....
Now sure...you could have said the exact same thing you said with the addition "clan leaders could delegate someone else to do this, clans could search for people interested in this gamemmode and very good f2p players may even get into big clans this way cause of their finesse in accepting and helping with the best attack and defense teams". F some wale Clans prolly would have paid some kid for that. But again. You didn't think this through from every perspectiv. The addition would have made it great for f2ps to get into big clans and for very active clans and leaders to have fun. We may have had a top 10 of best decision makers in defenses betwenn the top 1000 clans....F go ahead and even hand them badges or something to show it off.
But the way you said it...if they would do it that way without the mechanic of a clan leader delegating it to another member. You would have Clan Leaders years into the gamr either spending hours of their freetime or loosing their members. And that's the problem I have with you. Instead of something very competetive where the best decisionmakers prolly even would have switched around between the top clans you again thought that every person on earth has 12 hours a day for raid. And again you would have claimed: "well should he really be the leader if he doesn't want to interact with the game this much anyway, it's only 2 hours every 2 weeks"....that's nit how it works.
I agree : it's a great game mode !
I like the fact that clanmates have to work together to achieve victory. In Siege you get the feeling that you are part of a Clan.
And this game mode doesnt require a lot of time (unlike Hydra for instance)
For me, the main issue is the ability for Clans to manage their matchmaking by doing intentional losses when they know they'll win the Siege. This should be fixed ASAP
We won every match, I dont understand losing a match to win the next. We are 100% because we have a balanced team. 20 krakens 10 beginners. Top player has 63 defensive wins, next has 52 next is 49 next is 47 next is 44 our bottom 10 players hide behind these players in strong hold. How is this a hard concept to grasp
Basically peopel use Rematches to lose 2 on purpose to lower their tier points = this means they stay more towards 2100 (the entry for tier 6) when they have the power of a much stronger. Gives them a larger pool of potential clans to matchup. Losing to rig matchmaking is bad design.
@@HHGamingNetwork There will always be some people in a clan that do not like PVP. We do not focus our time and efforts min maxing pvp teams. We do the bare minimum in pvp game modes because it is required for fusions or daily quests. We now have 4 "pvp" game modes, all with significant issues.
My clan (mostly in the U.S.) went to sleep thinking we had hopelessly lost our clan siege match against a much stronger clan. Woke up this morning to discover that the other clan had intentionally lost over 60 battles in the night to secure the loss for themselves. This game mode will fall into disfavor quickly if Plarium cannot eliminate the incentives for this behavior.
Why would they do that?
@@freeeggs3811 Umm....did ya watch the video this was attached to? Saph talked about why clans are tanking some matches.
@@mickeyd4038 yeah I watched it, I replied while I was still watching
The matchmaking takes 3 hours, then we get a clan sooooomuch weaker than us that it was not even fun to win, I am sure it was not enjoyable for them and not for us either, matchmaking needs to improve.
I assume this is more a matter of the “sbmm” still finding everyone’s true place. Over time the matches should feel more even
Everything in this game needs changes...it's a joke. Pvp..siege...the power creep and inflated prices costs for events, especially DD...and now hydra.
And the mimimi crying playerbase also needs a change 😂
@@UlfUlfsonWhile this is often true, it’s important not to miss actual issues by dismissing it as whining. Things like the current Polymorph and lockout meta, the issues with Siege and LA and the new really annoying Hydra changes are actual issues.
@SSuser-go7jm we must always be mindful that when using the internet many forums there will always be miserable people that are get self worth and pleasure from trolling and insulting people. Ad hominem is a tell tale sign of such a person
100% @@UlfUlfson
@@UlfUlfsonI agree Karen’s have been around like crazy lately
Saph, really? Again? Cursed city is too easy? you bit your tongue the first time you said that and then regretted it. ask how many players can clear cursed city, less than 0,001 % of the players I would say.
I see many clans failing to take our stronghold when they should have gear and champions to do it. Most common reason seems to be that clan is using horribly bad strategy that is everyone for them selfes. Basically none is leading the fight.
Expect it from Saph Nerfhammer with his Mjolnerf
Siege is by far my favorite game mode and definitely something we were lacking in this game. The amount of eye opening moments with clan mates on the real strength of their account has made even the most reluctant enjoy the game mode. Sometimes people had the champs they just didn't know how to build or what the best use is for them. Been an absolute joy to help others.
One thing they need to implement sooner than later is the reward condition change. The biggest frustration for my clan is making sure the little guy can get a win. This drags the coordination till the last moment depending on what is opened up and available.
Also please please Plarium, add a way for us to watch the battles. Just seeing the success or failure of an battle would go a long way for helping clanmates.
Yes I agree Siege economy is broken...no pint repair or even upgrade buildings...hope they update siege soon and fix economy. Also I would like if clan leaders could move all clan members teams in all tower and posts.
i really wish there was a roster system....members post their teams and leadership can place them.....that would be game changing for me.....
yeah we need visibility over peoples teams in-game
not through 3rd party tools really.
@@darkraptor4898 I made a roster on google spreadsheets, took a few hours, then posted it on discord.
They should give the Leaders/Officers more powers or control over the battlefield... What's the point of Leadership if there's none over the battlefield? Leaders should have a certain control over the battlefield. Because every clan have players who are stubborn or don't listen instructions. Kicking them out, is not a viable solution in long term...Not every clan have 30 devoted clanmates. We all have a life outside the game. Meaning we have to understand that too.
Totally agree on how broken the Siege Economy is. I put this same thought into the Suggestion Channel on Raid Discord two days ago.
Our clan got it serious. We have 2 people with excel sheets including all post conditions, meta/condition/unity champs of each clan member or sometimes even full roster using optimiser. They work really hard during prep phase to set everything, but it pays off cause we are 6-1 on wins already starting in tier 6. Without discord it wouldn't be possible. Clan leaders and deputies should at least see clan member's champs to have better picture of each member's strenght and weakness.
Not something I'm interested in. PVP not really my thing, been playing for 3 years and my great hall isn't even half completed. By the time I've done daily quests, clan boss, hydra, faction wars, doom tower, dungeons, minotaur and events or fusions I'm going for, I don't have time to build teams.
Hello, thanks for the video, you brought up the current problems of this mode. It’s a pity that I didn’t see the same video from you about Hydra with the abuse of the system for selecting opponents in Hydra Clash, this would have helped the developers not only see the problem but also make efforts to change the situation. Clans create several reserve clans for themselves and gradually move from one to another, so that they always come across weak opponents. This allowed them to take all the stoneskin jewelry all this time and incredibly strengthen the champions in the arena. Only now we have received guaranteed rewards, which has improved the situation a little. But in general, this shows the attitude towards this kind of abuse in competitive modes: CvC, Hydra Clash, Siege.
Both clans i'm in ignore it. It's really only made for top clans to have something to do. Much like LA, CvC, and Hydra Clash, majority don't see the point in it, too much effort for too little and match making is atrocious, so even if you are trying you just get demolished. Make people do the minimum.
I somewhat like the herding cats aspect of Siege. I just wish there was a notes section on each fight, so you can leave information for other players.
I like the concept of repair as well - but the prices should be a little lower compared to earnings. I think the idea of not having all buildings ever fixed is good - so the clan has to decide what to fix in conjunction with strategy - but you should probably be able to repair the lvl 1 stronghold each time, if everyone works together.
I don't like Siege and these things need to change.
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I like siege but I struggle also. My clan is fairly end game and I probably have one of the weaker accounts. It doesn't feel like I am giving much to the cause.
I think solution to economy, match making and intentional loses is very simple. They need to give us something for having more points in tier. And this could be florins. If they leave the system of upgrading and repairing buildings as it is, you want to earn enough florins to repair all your buildings and also you want other clans not to earn enough, so you can easily beat them next time. So if they give us like 10xflorins of your tier points after siege is finished, the higher points you have, the better, because you can repair everything and you can face someone with broken buildings. I would also adjust the matchmaking system, that first criteria should be clan power and then tier points, so if there is a clan with 350 mil power and 3400 tier points and krakens with 2B power with 3200 points, they never go against each other. Matchmaking would find clan with 420 mil power and 3100 points to face the first one and the clan with 1,8 B power and 3500 points would face the second one. I believ this could work. The most important thing is, if they want us to earn tier points, they have to give us adequate prize for it, which is more attractive than trying to stay low and find easier opponents.
I'm in a clan where the majority of the people do not regularly communicate via discord or any other form of massage whatsoever. I would like a system where everyone can put in 3 teams, similar to TTA and the leadership can assign teams from the resulting pool of teams to whatever post/building they want. Make it that every person has to have at least one team put into a building before you can select any second team. That way everyone gets rewards. Every remaining team just fills in as a reserve team. Would be cool for those who want to engange with the system, because organizing would be so much better and you would not force clanmates into participating that much more, because the only thing they have to do is set up 3 teams and forget about siege forever
Yes submit with approval is my best take on solving it in game aswell!
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I truly also want them to allow re battles to apply to all special towers instead of mana yellow tower so their can be more chances of getting more flourins
Seige has been fun interacting with clan mates but at the same time its been abysmal. We have upgraded our stronghold so we just keep getting beat due to the excess attacks. Now the stronghold is destroyed so the extra slots are useless but the opponent gets the attacks. In fact all of out buildings have been destroyed since about week 3 or 4. The economy is horrible and has really taken away a lot of the fun. I feel like the Posts should be free to pick the boost you want-no mana involved. Let clans use mana to set bigger buffs and maybe set special biffs for the tower section. The post themselves should be completely open to pick roster restrictions. That would make the game mode a bit tougher but a lot more fun. The rewards have been pretty good overall. We are probably 3-2 so far so that's been a bit of a chore. We have taken the opponent stronghold every match. This week we had 2 more victories than the opponent but it was a total wipe for us.
I will say of they want the factions guardians to be powerful they need to open up the post restrictions so those champs have actual use. I think of the ones I have (no teox) i only use Fyna. I find the others to be pretty bad in comparison to several of the champs I own.
Yeah, there are some glitches in the game. One has to do with i got booted out of game when reloaded the game, I couldn't even use rebattle scroll. Also, I had two teams in one, in the meant part, the other in the mana. we had 11 min left to the game. I was still undefeated, and I logged out. Around 4 hours later, I logged back in. My team disappeared as if it was never even in the mana at all. I even had a backup team saved in the game as well. They are investigating the issue, but I can say start taking ss of your troops beginning during and after the tournament. Good luck.
Well a solution to fix the rig of the rating could be simply your clan get rating just if you win the siege and maybe counting how many post you defended and destroyed at the end. I would stop to give points to each attack (or defense), and of course saving an hidden rating to each member (same as cvc hidden rating run atm) so no one can switch clan to reset their rating.
The only way to drop their rating would be losing the entire siege on purpose, but at least they paid a price to do that.
Every week since the first I go to Defence Tower 5 and Post 17. Currently my defence has held and is sitting at 44 defence wins. As long as my defence holds It prevents 7 capture points from being taken so generally we win.
the 2 champ rule is weird when it counts to retries - it means its possibly 6 teams by default
So far I’m overall happy with siege. 6-9 6* legendary or mythical artifacts(plus other things)of a good set are worth the small time needed. I’ve farmed thousands of energy in the event dungeon and my Feral gear is much better than my pinpoint…..my feral gear rolled like crap but it’s still overall better and not 1/2 5* rare artifacts.
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My clan really enjoys it. Our only issue is matchmaking. We are a strong tier 5 clan but every other siege we end up in tier 6 and some of the clan can't even win 1fight to get any rewards and even our strongest struggle. We have resorted to dumping fights to stay under tier 6
We just got smoked in tier 6 so what we did was purposely lose all are attacks and re battles
I agree, clan siege has potential but needs changes.
Siege is a good mode. I don't why matchmaking cannot be based on Clan power. Then there is no intensive to loose. This may not be 100% component, but let's say 50/50. Half comes from clan power and half comes from siege ranking (similar in CvC). There is never a lot of fun if you face a lot weaker or a lot stronger clan.
I'm missing a sort of battle map after the seige. To see if towers where saved or how the defence did. Is not able to login just before siege ends
Great video Saph but I have to say that the match making system is broken. I'm in a fairly strong mid range clan but we've never liked doing clan v clan so the match making for us puts us against way worse clans to the point we have never lost a clan siege and I have 48 fragments for Lamasu. I like winning but I would really like to have more competition in the game mode
On one hand this is great feedback to Plarium as there are very few with interest and knowledge to dig so deep into the game with the ability to provide genuine feedback. On the other hand, the voice of one or few content creators do not necessarily reflect the true opinion of the silent majority. This is more of a general comment/reaction to the video title and not specifically aimed at the points raised in this specific video.
After checking hydra score. Poorly implemented but we had what we wanted. I have to admit im happy about that one .( I don t own trunda, built a wyxwell team.)
I would like officers to get 1 extra attack scroll. Active clan members get more attacks.
My Clan so far won everything! 7/7! and we just entered Tier 6
The first few Sieges we got rid of a handful of members refusing to communicate but for a few weeks now we have a stable roster.
As the one in charge of coordinating Siege I gotta say this: the clan got real motivated and much more active together!
Some people don't write but at least read the instructions given. 2 weeks ago we had an absolutely huge challenge that took the entire clan to beat, but it felt so good to overcome big obstacles together.
After our last siege members started brainstorming more ideas for champs that they could build for just Siege and the overall interest in PvP increased greatly, quite a few members got motivated and finally reached Gold in Tag after not wanting to mess with that Ramanthu mission
We have stopped using all Flourins and are just hording them, Mana Orbs get used in Post Conditions but other than that we have told everyone to just hold everything.
Every siege we are placing more Posts with Conditions as everyone gets more of a feel for the kind of teams that work well and we have found a few teams that can actually stop an enemy. Normal posts cant really stop the enemy clan, but with the right condition, there is a chance to block of an area completely.
What I would love to see as well is the repair cost removed! At the moment the attackers advantage is still very huge, but if we could actually use Magic Towers and such, it becomes much more a challenge to get through the defenses.
I am pretty proud about 7/7 wins as most of it comes from me working with all of the members to find what their roster could do best for both offense and defense
3 wins away from Lamasu! We are actually trying to be the first clan in the world to get her, but with just reaching Tier 6 it might get too hard, but lets see.
Yeah. Also upgrade is simple. Each has 2 defences. Allow no reserves above 60 defences. You upgrade - you cant fill all defences, so need to sacrifice somewhere. and yeah eventually will be full stronghold, but then you choose post or shrines and so on.
Also give stats for leaders who fight and who not. I cant check everything 😂
Would be great if you could just check in clan members window, similar to the stars for activity.
Since Saph isn’t a member of the content creator program. You should get a raid sponsor
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No. They get 60 fights.
30 atk scrolls + 30 retrys.
I think the siege specific economy should be completely
There needs to be a winner no matter what.
I disagree with the take the repair costs out. They should fix it. I think he answered this question but forgot when he posted this video. If clans can constantly set restrictions then mythicals will always have an even bigger advantage than they already do. repair cost reduce the chance that players will consistently run into this scenario.
So they released a statement on Sept 6 I believe that was about your clan winning to efficiently. One of the fixes was that you just needed to set a defense. Was that a suggestion? Because I didn’t get any rewards because my clan wiped the enemy before I got a chance, but I still attacked 4 mana shrines…
Feels bad because this was a win where we maxed it out and I would’ve gotten a ton of rewards instead of getting stomped like we normally do😢
They only implemented tie breakers - we are still waiting on changes to the reward checks
12:35 But thats why we cant used them on towers as they are always broken :)
The post condition not only get worse as you lvl up but spread out the good one with the bad one... atm at lvl 1 you get lizardman, bl, def, hp and support which is super strong... when you lvl up to 2 you get void, magic, spirit, force, undead added to the pool which arent that great as condition and to wide to counter. There isnt a you shall not pass combo from lvl 2 when you have lots of option from lvl one.... why would i want to lvl 2 and decrease my chance at building better teams?
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I hate Siege. We were unfairly stronger on the first Siege, so I was like, okay, this is poorly designed. Then we were the clearly outmatched team the next time and we have been staring at red broken shields on our post since then. It is garbage. (IMO, of course)
this weeks siege was so weird, since the siege came out my clan never encountered so many empty buildings, idk if the enemy clan members quit or just a tactic to tank ratting
They probably just forgot. My clan did that about a month ago and only filled 3/4 of the buildings. We somehow won though :D
Tanking. We are doing that
it's funny, but since the beginning the siege, my clan could not only a single fight yet, but we can win Hydra and CvC....
I personally enjoy the siege so far no loses ( next siege i realy doubt we can keep it this way xD) i would to see an option on be able to see a battle that is in progress just as spectator i dont know if this is something too hard to do
Please keep preaching this it literally makes no sense they way they did the repairing and upgrading not sure wth they were thinking with the concept smh
Any PvP game mode in Raid royally suks...
oh it is a really really good game mode, is it Saph? then why is my whole clan bored to tears by it? I sure hope this is no indication for what is considered a good game mode in godforge
Biggest problem is RED DOT. 😁
If you win clan siege but don’t take down the main fortress you don’t receive the winning chest!!!!!!!!!
I’m sorry but I really cannot get into siege. It is so very dull and I’m done with it
Communication?! My clan is on discord and I have yet to be pinged about setting a defense or attacking. I just don’t think we care.
Siege problems….no one with a brain is going to upgrade the Stronghold. The stronghold in most cases gets destroyed every siege. And clans don’t earn enough florins to repair it every siege. This means enemy clans get 30 more attack scrolls but we can’t repair stronghold to use higher level bonuses. Total stupidity…they need to fix this now. Stronghold should be repaired automatically in each new siege or drastically increase the amount of florin rewards.
Other buildings should be upgradeable independent of Stronghold.
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We’re a top 1000 and we beat a top 100 this week lol
We get the new void in 2 sieges but once we get the champ what’s the point
the gear? similar to hydra. Did you stop playing hydra after getting Mithrala?
@@eetu4302 feral is useless set only good as a filler piece and it’s meh. I’m an end game account and I only use like 5 gear sets that being ss, protection, savage, speed, and pinpoint maybe some relentless but not anymore with the hydra changes so like why bother. It’s a terrible set 6 piece makes no sense with pinpoint and 9 piece makes 0 sense since protection gives me more value. Feral needs a buff for it to compete. 6 piece should stay the same but 9 piece should be the same as pinpoint 100% resistance to sheep would make the set a lot better. Maybe personal opinion but even hydra what’s the point when you have 600 pieces of stone skin already and they keep giving 5* pieces
@@710-o3p why play any gamemode? or even the game? its ultimately all a waste of time anyways
Anyone else feel like its just incredibly short and thus irrelevant? Like it only happens once a week or so, then i do three fights and its over.
it's still just Classic Arena to me
Siege should end once any stronghold got destroyed granting the team that destroyed the stronghold the win, simple as that
thats a horrible idea....basically whoever has the favorable timezone wins? nah fuck that
Wrong video - it’s path day - where’s the math!! 😄
But everybody does this 5.4 mil. so nobody gets this said benefit. Should it exist? no, but there really isn't any benefit because everybody does it. Our casual clan is even doing it, and we're just lolligagging around in tier 1
Needs to not be all or nothing. Winning at the lower end of the bracket shouldnt be worth so much more than barely losing against the top opponent. Regardless of what they do there will always be way to game matchmaking to some degree so just make it so its not incentified.
I mean, I am happy that you're enjoying this so much, but this gamemode is utter shit. We need more Doom Tower'esque content.
Off topic of video but so pissed what raid did to clan boss demon. Lord. They nerfed it into the ground. My clan was reduced to 3 people who can 1 key now raid lied and ruined it people worked hard to one key teams and now it takes 2 or 3 for them. Seriously thinking of quitting the game. Plarium lies too much
Just join a low-rank clan for an easy win. Go back to original clan after getting Lemasu. Simple
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we need a better chat and not that bull we have now
Siege should take places during CVC and against the clan you get matched against. It’s that easy.
Yeah, no. Too much going on. Maybe week 1 it’s CvC then week 2 Siege, against the same clan?
@@mattshelton7423 you set a team and do 3 battles… its not a huge task. Just make it part of CvC. Fighting another clan seems more to the heart of the game than who can make the most perception gear.
Thanks lot stop calling out nerf on champions.
Hydra is no good now. 500mil down to 80 mill
Yep this is his and nubs nerf
You realize that content creators aren't in the Plarium game design team, right? They don't make any decisions. Your team got nerfed to make you buy shards, nothing else.
I think Plarium is too competent to get right anything that's more than just a minor deviation to the base game modes.