Saph, you assume the only problem was the krakens getting damage in the trillions. I submit there was a second problem, in Plarium's eyes. I wager that Plarium was very concerned that too many players, were too easily reaching 650m for top clash chests, and even reaching 1.2b for individual chests. Players were reaching these scores with free champs and free teams. Reaping top rewards easily and consistently with no spending. I fully believe this explains the adjustments to drop everyone's scores, and no drop in the reward milestones.
Yep. Same with the cheese cb teams. More shards than they want to give earlier players. Even a lot of ppl without the cheese teams were suddenly hetting double chests.
I don't really know if its an issue of low spenders getting it or if it's people who's teams were weaker than what should be able to get the chests was the issue
@@thoughtlesskills Well shard influx hurts everyone that does not have a cheese team as Plarium will adapt to the current shard count of players when they do fusions etc. So grats on your cheese and ungrats to the ones that don't I guess. But I don't think you care about the ones that does not have the cheese, me correct?
The simple, absolute truth is, I'm not sure I'm going to engage with this content any longer. I don't expect things to be easy, but I do expect them to be fun. I don't feel any fun any longer when I do Hydra battles. And I didn't have any of the broken teams before hand.
These changes failed to accomplish any stated goal other than reducing effectiveness of perceived exploitative teams. It has done nothing to bring strong teams and clans closer to weaker ones since the weaker teams have been cut off at the legs. Even accepting changes were necessary, the implemented changes are as poorly thought out as any other dev created change historically.
I went from 4,7B to 2,1B in clash points overall, I wonder how long it will take Plarium to launch hydra champs that ignore the current mechanics that whales and krakens can pursue, Plarium's laughing all the way to the bank...
@TreKaufPL I act like a F2P who had to manual for 3h for a worst result when he was in no way part of the problem. How about you stop thinking about money and take care of your game and stop stealth posting in the community comments section, devs!
@@TreKaufPL that's because he is a victim, imagine seeing your overall points gets half, that's like progressing backwards which no one likes to see when they keep trying to improve their team
@@cjhaedaten8711 First of all, I think everyone agree that 1000 turns is a good change, down from 1500 turns, that is a 30% decrease in potential damage. But according to you that change is bad because it lowered everyone's numbers which made everyone a victim and entitled to whine about it. Do you even realize how dumb you sound?
RIP Thor. RIP Wallmaster. Since the change, I get 3 Serpents Will almost non stop. Boring, waste of time and not here to babysit every single attack. So close to quitting after 4.5 years. This is the only game I've ever played where the game does everything it can to make you quit. Also, destroyed all of our new clan mates clan boss teams. Losing players daily now.
It is interesting, because this is the most players that have ever quit at once since the games launch. Its the best thing to do at this point. You quit and then don't have to deal with plarium in your life anymore.
I only attack up to Brutal, and I have both Thor and Othorion in the same brutal team, Thor lost half his damage, while my Othorion gain 20% more damage than before since his Max Hp damage doubles on exposed neck
Meh, ok so the damage for everyone went down. These changes make hydra extremely unfun and i no longer care to improve my teams. My double teox team went from 3.5b to 330m on hard. The heads just die so fast SW is basically up more than its not. So ive been punished for plarium creating their own power creep
Even in this video he just showed him spending a bunch of time with 3 heads immune to all damage and then when they took a turn his champions died. Hydra has become so boring.
I just tried to do normal hydra with my team which usually does 1B dmg: eostrid, trunda, teela, wixwell, rathalos, uugo and I barely did any damage. I'm literally getting punished for being fast with. I'm able to kill the heads easily, but unless I can bring all the damage from the respawned heads down to 0 at once and have them respawn at the same time, all the heads are respawning 1 by 1 and are getting serpent's will. Then I sit there, taking turns doing 0 damage. It's stupid because they advertised it as when they respawn at the same time, then only 1 head will get the serpent's will. However, it's a lot harder to get them to respawn at the same time due to aoe damage needed for this to happen. I think overall, this will hurt the average player, especially someone who wants to build their champs to the best ability
So Yumeko not balanced, Trunda not balanced, but Taunt and Wixwell shields- the only things that helped shrink the gap between Krakens and low-spenders/ average players- are wiped from the game. Yup, that’s the least surprising thing ever. Wixwell & Yanica were cheese right? Because they subverted the mechanics of the game mode. But these other teams that were effectively untouched, one-shotting heads the instant they appear, don’t subvert anything? Choose to play or not based on what’s fun for you. Don’t ever think Plarium cares about anything at all other than the top 1% of players. They have ZERO interest in producing a game that’s fun and balanced for everyone. If you’re angry… don’t shout into the wind. Stop spending. Leave brutally honest reviews and ratings on the store fronts.
I’m casual endgame (2019) and these changes have definitely made my Raid-life worse. I really wanted an Auto team. I’m so tired of manual runs. Have Trunda but wasn’t using the abuse comps. I was waiting for these changes to be announced to rework my teams. Not even sure I can get a competitive auto team with the buffs to Hydra. Regular dmg dealers took a major nerf and that really is a pi$$er.
3:22 - so these changes which were made to make hydra more auto friendly has actually had the opposite effect and would force most players to manual and thereby feel more drained. Surely, nobody expected this
Exactly, Hydra now cannot be auto'd and Trunda is still broken in the fight. These changes mainly hurt people who are not high level whales. And even if you are a whale, you now have to play manually.
Essentially the took all of the fun out of hydra - no need to push team builds to push damage, no need to spend on souls - feel like they hurt their profit by making these changes - not to mention the people who are leaving the game
making sure they can sell more soulstones cause people cant get rewards or clans cant down a diff anymore. outside of that plarium are just dicks who lost connection with the main playerbase a long time ago
I'm confused about whether you were saying the CODE says that it doubles every consumption. Because that would imply 400k, 800k, 1.6m, 3.2m, etc... but in the vid your example was 400k, 800k, 1.2m, 1.6m etc. Is it increasing the multiplier by 1 every time, or doubling every time?
My teams damage was cut directly in half. 50% less of what it did before the changes. I dont have Trunda or Wixwell so you're bang on with the numbers. I dont auto either. I think the real reason they did this was too many people were getting all the new milestone rewards every week and they realized they messed up. So they cut everyone's damage by 50% to cut it back. Nothing to do with Trunda because it hasn't changed her position just like you said still on top.
My double ally attack NM team lost 66% dmg. 1.2bil down to 400mil. High single target dmg seems to be heavily punished. High dmg in general has been punished but AOE helps some. Teams in my clan that were doing 1/3rd my dmg are now only like 10-20% worse. So NM teams that cant deplete decap heads werent really affected much it seems.
What gear do you have Eostrid in? Plus I love how they said they lowered the turn count to "make runs not be as long... " while everyone has to pretty much manual the fight because of the mechanics causing everyone's screen shots about an hour
Thank you very much Saph for a clear and concise demonstration. ever since the change I have lost my drive to play. I was a f2p playing 2 years who could barely reach 1.3b in clash with all my 3 keys, and now I will not reach half of that. One thing though, the attack on decapitated head is glitched all over, not just for mikage. No one attacks a decapitated head. it is just random
For people to learn, everything must have consequences. I have not done Hydra since the buff/nerf. The content is dead to me now. And I am done spending in this game. The game is not fun for me anymore, and I'm thinking about quitting.
For me consumption is much less of a problem than that I keep having at least 3 serpent will buffs on all the time. Also, decrease speed is now punishing you, seriously?
Hydra was always a chore and a bit annoying. The major problem with the changes is that it is now 100% not fun at all on top of that. I feel like "no longer fun" is the reaction I've seen the most. As far as damage I'd say my overall clash points have been reduced to about only 1/3.
@Saphyrra Will the Optimizer give team suggestions based on a "Post-hydra buff" world, or will suggested teams still include the crazy ones from before the change?
I am a ftp mid-level+ account. I o not have Trunda, Yumeko, or any of the other top tier champs. I have never built a Shield exploit team, a Taunt exploit team, or any other 1 billion+ teams. My teams will all still get top chest on Normal of course, but as for Hard, my teams have lost about 60% of their damage, costing me my 1 key there much of the time (I ran a bunch of test runs). The problem, of course, isn't the damage... it's that I can't get past the 5th Digestion with the first extended Green Health Bar. I can't free my champ in two turns from that much HPs, so my runs always start to fall apart at that point. I'm not concerned about how this affects Clash... I just wanted to keep collecting the chests I worked hard to build teams for over the last year, from my meager champ list.
I think this is indicative of their bad balancing and champion design in general. As a very average player, these changes make me reconsider any effort i put into the game. Just see the point anymore
my damage has been cut in half and frankly hydra also feels like it hits way harder than before. The digestion ramps up way way way to fast, basically on your 3rd go its impossible.
Saph your prediction was spot on , all 3 of my teams lost 60% of their damage output. 33% from losing 500 turns would be reasonable. And I do like that change …. But this buf to hyda/nerf to every team is ridiculous
I'm still early enough in Hydra that I don't have Mithrala yet and was working on improving my teams over time to keep farming for her and better stoneskin/protection drops. Now I'll just do the minimum needed to get the champ and leave this game mode behind after that. This has been one of the biggest "swing and a miss" examples I've seen in a proposed fix in a game.
I just don't even care anymore. I went from doing 1.5 billion damage to 700 million. I just auto and move on. I was trying to min max teams and progress to NM but now It's just another CB mode to knock out and ignore.
They need a cooldown for the heads, serpent's will is coming up so often with all 4 heads, and you can't do anything then after this, usually poison cloud and/or reflect damage pops up
Changing Trunda again won’t fix anything because CCs will just show how to do billions of damage with different champs. Then everyone will complain about not having those champs. RAID needs to put a cap on how many points can be earned per key, per difficulty no matter how many billions of damage is done. This will allow players to push their accounts to see how much damage they can achieve without breaking Hydra Clash, because the points are capped. Then they won’t need to nerf any champs for Hydra ever again. Easy fix and if by some miracle any of the clans tie. The winner can be the clan that did it in the fastest time
It’s actually not just her that’s not prioritizing the decapitated heads and not only that but if you’re champion gets eaten and you want them to hit the Hydra, that’s eating your champions they’re not doing it unless you take it off auto Lady Mikaga Ninja I will get you all list later
Godforge will want to make money just like Raid the problem is people will blindly spend because they have bought into it already due to the CCs involved, They will soo. Be cursing it like any Gacha
The only reason I built a Yannica team was because I don’t have Trunda and cannot compete otherwise. So it appears that Trunda teams can still do billions of damage while Yannica teams are nerfed. Cool.
I think when a head gets decapitated then the turn meter bar for the head should be dropped to zero. It's not fair if you decapitate a head when it's turn meter bar is almost full then you effectively only get 1 turn to put damage on the head. Not everyone can pound thru the HP on the decapitated that quickly. For end game accounts it won't make a difference but for earlier accounts it will help them up the damage.
Actually, I think the only one to blame for this mess is Plarium. This is a pay to win game and everyone knows it. I am a low spender and I lack powerful hydra meta champs. I had one very lucky pull with Primal shard recently and now have one mythical champion. I didn't have Trunda and Wixwell, but I didn't have any feelings about these overpowered champs or people who pursued them. What pisses me off is Plarium's dishonest and predatory practice. Who knew all along that Trunda was broken but refused to do anything about it for so long? Who was it to claim that Trunda's damage was as was intended? Kept selling Trunda and Yumeko, kept introducing powerful mythicals, powerful champs that are suited to Hudra, encouraging everyone to chase them and milking as much as they can. Then, oh so conveniently, transfer all the blames to players who did powerful combinations and people who have hydra meta champs they themselves created. Of course hydra got easy for them. It didn't get easy for the rest of us. So after taking all their money, they want to blame their customers for hydra not being hard enough and therefore forcing them to buff hydra? That's an excuse for hitting people who poured their valuable time and resources into a team that can actually do some damage? And just implying 'Well, it was too easy so your damages were not deserved'? No refund, no apology? No remorse whatsoever after creating such a huge mess, ignoring the fact that they were the ones who benefited from and encouraged powerful hydra champions. Create a problem, sell a solution and now even transfer blames. I have no trust in whatever they say or do.
Edit: my normal team is gutted. To hard to manage killing multiple dead head at the same time. 440 vs 170 mil It just managed to hit 1.3 billons a couple of weeks ago balenced over 3 teams. My brutal went from 180 to 150, but had to switch out my block buff option due to new consumption growth mechanics and that this rotaion favor the poison cloud head alot. if you dont use an affinity friendly block debuff champion things can spiral really fast. In short mischief head eat my block buff champ just before he is to apply block buff with increased consumption health. Before i can break him free poison cloud get placed and mischief and game is done. You need so much damage and if the wrong affinity for your damage dealer eats you. Good luck. In short i dont think my damage is halvef overall but i dont think im gonna hit the 1.2b mark.
Ive been playing for about 6 months and i can hit 220mil on hard full auto with my team took me about 40 mins to clear it and hit turn limit now ive got to full manual takes me over and hour and getting 160mil damage instead so my damage is slightly lower but the time i spend doing hydra has increased
My Brutal team and Hard team haven't changed the damage they do, Brutal 100Mil and hard 70mil, my Brutal team uses Max hp damage dealers which aren't as affected as other champs, while my hard team doesn't. However my normal team that normally does 400mil did 100mil. So I believe that max hp damage dealers are, less affected but also hydra is now balanced in such a way that if your team is way more powerful than needed for the stage you'll lose enough damage which will make it more worth while doing a harder difficulty. I'm planning on testing this out next week by changing around my Hard and normal teams. Over all it has made needing the mechanics to fight and control Hydra even more important while damage has been made less important but there has to be a balance found so you do enough damage. Most of my clan are still deciding whether we like the changes more or less than the old way but I personally prefer it this way, I would have prefered it more if they had done other stuff but still prefer it to what it was.
I already ignore Live Arena, and I am happy to ignore Hydra as well. I will check in with my team. If they are okay with skipping Clash, I am out. Otherwise I will drop a key and walk away. (Only did it for Advanced quest until clash as it was.)
My damage was not cut in half, it was cut by like 80% because I used Yannica wixwell which was nerfed into the ground. Trunda teams are still viable but the “ftp” teams are not. With that being said, I get nerfing the shields but why Taunt? And why did they buff the Hydra so much too? So bizarre how they do shit. 🤷♂️
My best team in Brutal, has lost 20-30% ! Going from 32 - 56 mill (depending on heads and champ devoured, I could work with 2 turn devour) ... to 26-34 mill, since once i hit 2x on the devour I pretty surely lost, cause of to low damage !
Dude adding unm and splitting it to personal hydra and hydra clash would have solved everything. Also could have just put a damage cap...hit number to kill it thats it done
Interestingly, as an end-game player with non-cheese teams, my scores have stayed the same. So relative to all those complaining about nerfed damage, I'm doing way better.
i don't think they wanted to nerf trunda... in fact, i believe they said they didn't want to make her not work. the changes are very annoying tho and add nothing to the game. just makes lower level accounts struggle to get high damage
Brutal is no longer an option, and now I have to babysit even when it runs on auto because auto AI is IGNORING DECAPITATED HEADS. It's not just Mikage.
Hydra is simply dead. Period. Everyone please become f2p so we can teach them a lesson. If their income halts, they WILL BE FORCED to go back to the way it was or nerf the buff they did.
I have lost >60% even with manualling more. The serpent will buffs are killing my teams. Unless you have Trunda who still one-shots everything it's very hard to make the heads respawn at the same time and not one by one. So stupid. And Trunda still op. I was originally not against the changes, but what they have done is not it. I still have no incentive to improve on my teams and rather have to hope I one day pull Trunda or one of the other broken champs.
Before the changes I would reach the turn limit and do 130-135M in two hours with a semi-auto Taunt team (Emic+Nia.) After the changes, I had to plan a new team with one extra healer and one extra single-target damage dealer, and I reached the new turn limit and did 125M in 40 minutes of manual play. Increase speed on me vs decreased speed on the hydra is useful. I reached the turn limit with the digesting shield increased *one* time. To be honest, if the goal was to make me *actually play* hydra as designed, with all the mechanics, the changes were mostly a success. The only difference is Hydra Clash points and I don't really care about Hydra Clash.
I do think the nerfs where a bit harsh but I completely disagree with the notion that they did nothing for improvement. Yes trunda is still very good, but it was a succesfull nerf, they wanted her to stil be good but not just straight up busted which they achieved. If you look at trunda and what she caused (bloatation of hydra clash points) they definitely put her a peg down. Now the next question is, is it enough? The upcoming weeks will show that but I am pretty confident in saying that they used the correct route when it came to nerfing trunda. They still are willing to nerf her so if she still runs rampant we can maybe see a 2nd nerf. I rather see them under nerfing and then nerfing again than over nerfing. Hope they keep working on balancing hydra since it still needs tweaks but overall I think people are exaggerating
all this hydra change has done is make players like me who where progressing through hydra take a step bk and just quit doing hydra and now i have so much time bk in my day to do other things.
If this is supposed to make me spend money it has the opposite effect. Why would I give money to a game that keeps changing the rules every time I turn around. They crippled me in the arena last time and now they destroyed me in hydra.
i really like you but you have helped up to this date nerfed multiple champions because"they have xhanged your game prospective " (corpulent cadaver ,wixwell yanica and so on )you as an end game player with full great hall dont care but you demolish new players
And hopefully he will continue to do so. Abusive teams like Cadaver or Wixwell/Yannica are not good for the game. Sadly, Trunda is still broken. It's hard for me to understand how players just don't care about game balance. Well, maybe they just don't want to play the game how it is meant to be played. I mostly blame Plarium for taking so long to react. That way many players jump on these cheese teams and then are very "surprised" and angry when said teams finally get nerfed.
Saph, you assume the only problem was the krakens getting damage in the trillions.
I submit there was a second problem, in Plarium's eyes. I wager that Plarium was very concerned that too many players, were too easily reaching 650m for top clash chests, and even reaching 1.2b for individual chests. Players were reaching these scores with free champs and free teams. Reaping top rewards easily and consistently with no spending.
I fully believe this explains the adjustments to drop everyone's scores, and no drop in the reward milestones.
Yep. Same with the cheese cb teams. More shards than they want to give earlier players. Even a lot of ppl without the cheese teams were suddenly hetting double chests.
I don't really know if its an issue of low spenders getting it or if it's people who's teams were weaker than what should be able to get the chests was the issue
@@thoughtlesskills Well shard influx hurts everyone that does not have a cheese team as Plarium will adapt to the current shard count of players when they do fusions etc. So grats on your cheese and ungrats to the ones that don't I guess. But I don't think you care about the ones that does not have the cheese, me correct?
That would be the bottom line bring affected meaning it is the one that was the real reason for the change coming. Thank you for your analysis.
I was thinking the same thing put it in a comment then scrolled down and saw yours lol great minds think alike.
ignoring the balancing issues, they've also just made hydra incredibly annoying
The simple, absolute truth is, I'm not sure I'm going to engage with this content any longer.
I don't expect things to be easy, but I do expect them to be fun.
I don't feel any fun any longer when I do Hydra battles. And I didn't have any of the broken
teams before hand.
These changes failed to accomplish any stated goal other than reducing effectiveness of perceived exploitative teams. It has done nothing to bring strong teams and clans closer to weaker ones since the weaker teams have been cut off at the legs. Even accepting changes were necessary, the implemented changes are as poorly thought out as any other dev created change historically.
I agree with ya. But It lowered rewards for many. To me that was the hidden goal and they accomplished it well, Scott Free I might add.
I have responded with a nice spending freeze. Permanently, provided these changes are permanent as well
I went from 4,7B to 2,1B in clash points overall, I wonder how long it will take Plarium to launch hydra champs that ignore the current mechanics that whales and krakens can pursue, Plarium's laughing all the way to the bank...
You do 2B damage to hydra and you act like a victim lmao the insight is strong
@TreKaufPL I act like a F2P who had to manual for 3h for a worst result when he was in no way part of the problem. How about you stop thinking about money and take care of your game and stop stealth posting in the community comments section, devs!
@@TreKaufPL that's because he is a victim, imagine seeing your overall points gets half, that's like progressing backwards which no one likes to see when they keep trying to improve their team
@@cjhaedaten8711 First of all, I think everyone agree that 1000 turns is a good change, down from 1500 turns, that is a 30% decrease in potential damage. But according to you that change is bad because it lowered everyone's numbers which made everyone a victim and entitled to whine about it.
Do you even realize how dumb you sound?
@@TreKaufPLyou know 4.7 to 2.1 is a pretty big jump bro
RIP Thor. RIP Wallmaster. Since the change, I get 3 Serpents Will almost non stop. Boring, waste of time and not here to babysit every single attack. So close to quitting after 4.5 years. This is the only game I've ever played where the game does everything it can to make you quit. Also, destroyed all of our new clan mates clan boss teams. Losing players daily now.
Do it, I quit last year and I'd been playing since the shamrock fusion. Plarium doesn't change, This shit is intentional
I quit this week as well
I might as well.
It is interesting, because this is the most players that have ever quit at once since the games launch.
Its the best thing to do at this point. You quit and then don't have to deal with plarium in your life anymore.
I only attack up to Brutal, and I have both Thor and Othorion in the same brutal team, Thor lost half his damage, while my Othorion gain 20% more damage than before since his Max Hp damage doubles on exposed neck
Meh, ok so the damage for everyone went down. These changes make hydra extremely unfun and i no longer care to improve my teams.
My double teox team went from 3.5b to 330m on hard. The heads just die so fast SW is basically up more than its not. So ive been punished for plarium creating their own power creep
Same here. If we don't babysit every attack our teams die fast.
That’s the thing. The old Meta was imbalanced. But it was still fun. This is just more headache for no gain.
Even in this video he just showed him spending a bunch of time with 3 heads immune to all damage and then when they took a turn his champions died.
Hydra has become so boring.
Auto might be hard, but my days of manual running ended with the changes. Don't care if I get fewer points, everyone is getting fewer points.
I just tried to do normal hydra with my team which usually does 1B dmg: eostrid, trunda, teela, wixwell, rathalos, uugo and I barely did any damage. I'm literally getting punished for being fast with. I'm able to kill the heads easily, but unless I can bring all the damage from the respawned heads down to 0 at once and have them respawn at the same time, all the heads are respawning 1 by 1 and are getting serpent's will. Then I sit there, taking turns doing 0 damage. It's stupid because they advertised it as when they respawn at the same time, then only 1 head will get the serpent's will. However, it's a lot harder to get them to respawn at the same time due to aoe damage needed for this to happen. I think overall, this will hurt the average player, especially someone who wants to build their champs to the best ability
So Yumeko not balanced, Trunda not balanced, but Taunt and Wixwell shields- the only things that helped shrink the gap between Krakens and low-spenders/ average players- are wiped from the game. Yup, that’s the least surprising thing ever.
Wixwell & Yanica were cheese right? Because they subverted the mechanics of the game mode. But these other teams that were effectively untouched, one-shotting heads the instant they appear, don’t subvert anything?
Choose to play or not based on what’s fun for you. Don’t ever think Plarium cares about anything at all other than the top 1% of players. They have ZERO interest in producing a game that’s fun and balanced for everyone.
If you’re angry… don’t shout into the wind. Stop spending. Leave brutally honest reviews and ratings on the store fronts.
One star review placed
My trunda disagree. 2-3 billion before on normal. 200mil now. This was with a double trunda team. Stop thinking trunda teams was just for krakens.
Over 10k$ into the game and .. I'm quiting the game because of the way support treated me, along with the new hydra updates.
I’m casual endgame (2019) and these changes have definitely made my Raid-life worse. I really wanted an Auto team. I’m so tired of manual runs. Have Trunda but wasn’t using the abuse comps. I was waiting for these changes to be announced to rework my teams. Not even sure I can get a competitive auto team with the buffs to Hydra. Regular dmg dealers took a major nerf and that really is a pi$$er.
3:22 - so these changes which were made to make hydra more auto friendly has actually had the opposite effect and would force most players to manual and thereby feel more drained. Surely, nobody expected this
Exactly, Hydra now cannot be auto'd and Trunda is still broken in the fight.
These changes mainly hurt people who are not high level whales. And even if you are a whale, you now have to play manually.
Essentially the took all of the fun out of hydra - no need to push team builds to push damage, no need to spend on souls - feel like they hurt their profit by making these changes - not to mention the people who are leaving the game
Honestly, i think they have made hydra easier.... easier to skip cuz i no longer care abount how much damage i have done.
My 20M hard team was breaking the game and they nerfed it. obviously. Im never going back to hydra unless they roll it back. and they wont.
Decapitated heads getting a health bar has meant that there is now a damage cap on Hydra.
I prefer Tyrauku and VictorTes suggestion on hydra changes. hydra clash scoring needs a revamp, more future-proof than these silly changes.
i still don't see what is their end goal with these changes? are they selling us some new solution?
Eventually.
Yes... the already did...ONRYU, the new enemy max hp void shadowkin.
@@Mr_Jonestha3rd Ieyasu isnt enemy max hp 😂
making sure they can sell more soulstones cause people cant get rewards or clans cant down a diff anymore. outside of that plarium are just dicks who lost connection with the main playerbase a long time ago
I'm confused about whether you were saying the CODE says that it doubles every consumption. Because that would imply 400k, 800k, 1.6m, 3.2m, etc... but in the vid your example was 400k, 800k, 1.2m, 1.6m etc. Is it increasing the multiplier by 1 every time, or doubling every time?
My teams damage was cut directly in half. 50% less of what it did before the changes. I dont have Trunda or Wixwell so you're bang on with the numbers. I dont auto either. I think the real reason they did this was too many people were getting all the new milestone rewards every week and they realized they messed up. So they cut everyone's damage by 50% to cut it back. Nothing to do with Trunda because it hasn't changed her position just like you said still on top.
Thanks to this wonderful patch, my pretty buffed, but still F2P team is not gonna get a one-key brutal now. Sadge.
Same here
My double ally attack NM team lost 66% dmg. 1.2bil down to 400mil. High single target dmg seems to be heavily punished. High dmg in general has been punished but AOE helps some.
Teams in my clan that were doing 1/3rd my dmg are now only like 10-20% worse. So NM teams that cant deplete decap heads werent really affected much it seems.
What gear do you have Eostrid in? Plus I love how they said they lowered the turn count to "make runs not be as long... " while everyone has to pretty much manual the fight because of the mechanics causing everyone's screen shots about an hour
Thank you very much Saph for a clear and concise demonstration. ever since the change I have lost my drive to play. I was a f2p playing 2 years who could barely reach 1.3b in clash with all my 3 keys, and now I will not reach half of that.
One thing though, the attack on decapitated head is glitched all over, not just for mikage. No one attacks a decapitated head. it is just random
For people to learn, everything must have consequences. I have not done Hydra since the buff/nerf. The content is dead to me now. And I am done spending in this game. The game is not fun for me anymore, and I'm thinking about quitting.
For me consumption is much less of a problem than that I keep having at least 3 serpent will buffs on all the time. Also, decrease speed is now punishing you, seriously?
Hydra was always a chore and a bit annoying. The major problem with the changes is that it is now 100% not fun at all on top of that. I feel like "no longer fun" is the reaction I've seen the most. As far as damage I'd say my overall clash points have been reduced to about only 1/3.
@Saphyrra Will the Optimizer give team suggestions based on a "Post-hydra buff" world, or will suggested teams still include the crazy ones from before the change?
Went from 1.7 billion to 500 million . I had a taunt team for brutal.. my biggest loss was normal 450 million to 95.
Hmm I went from 2.5 bil to 850 mil vs NM. Thats more than half
I am a ftp mid-level+ account. I o not have Trunda, Yumeko, or any of the other top tier champs. I have never built a Shield exploit team, a Taunt exploit team, or any other 1 billion+ teams. My teams will all still get top chest on Normal of course, but as for Hard, my teams have lost about 60% of their damage, costing me my 1 key there much of the time (I ran a bunch of test runs).
The problem, of course, isn't the damage... it's that I can't get past the 5th Digestion with the first extended Green Health Bar. I can't free my champ in two turns from that much HPs, so my runs always start to fall apart at that point.
I'm not concerned about how this affects Clash... I just wanted to keep collecting the chests I worked hard to build teams for over the last year, from my meager champ list.
I don’t understand how he’s acting like a trunda that gets 60 billion is in the same conversation as a trunda that gets 1.2 billion. 😵💫😵💫😵💫
So they destroyed wixwell teams that did around a billion and the trunda teox teams can still do a billion? Thanks
Clearly their aim wasn't really to nerf Trunda and Wixwell, since they nerfed everyone by making the Hydra even more annoying than it already was.
Their aim is to launch new hydra meta champs then fusions,events,tournaments 10x 25x for them.
Since hydra is almost impossible for a lot of players now, they should at the very least remove the HEX req for targeting Mischief
I think this is indicative of their bad balancing and champion design in general.
As a very average player, these changes make me reconsider any effort i put into the game.
Just see the point anymore
my damage has been cut in half and frankly hydra also feels like it hits way harder than before. The digestion ramps up way way way to fast, basically on your 3rd go its impossible.
Saph your prediction was spot on , all 3 of my teams lost 60% of their damage output. 33% from losing 500 turns would be reasonable. And I do like that change …. But this buf to hyda/nerf to every team is ridiculous
I'm still early enough in Hydra that I don't have Mithrala yet and was working on improving my teams over time to keep farming for her and better stoneskin/protection drops. Now I'll just do the minimum needed to get the champ and leave this game mode behind after that. This has been one of the biggest "swing and a miss" examples I've seen in a proposed fix in a game.
I was really enjoying building and improving my hydra teams, now I just cbf doing it.
I just don't even care anymore. I went from doing 1.5 billion damage to 700 million. I just auto and move on. I was trying to min max teams and progress to NM but now It's just another CB mode to knock out and ignore.
There’s an issue with the AI overall. And consumption bar is ridiculous, in one of my runs it was probably more than 2/3 of the head’s HP
They need a cooldown for the heads, serpent's will is coming up so often with all 4 heads, and you can't do anything then
after this, usually poison cloud and/or reflect damage pops up
This was a rewards nerf update for mid tier players. Clan can't even down Brutal now. As a clan. Used to down it every week.
I think the funniest part about them doing all this
Is Trunda is still one of the best dps for Hydra because her A2 is still broken.
Changing Trunda again won’t fix anything because CCs will just show how to do billions of damage with different champs. Then everyone will complain about not having those champs. RAID needs to put a cap on how many points can be earned per key, per difficulty no matter how many billions of damage is done. This will allow players to push their accounts to see how much damage they can achieve without breaking Hydra Clash, because the points are capped. Then they won’t need to nerf any champs for Hydra ever again. Easy fix and if by some miracle any of the clans tie. The winner can be the clan that did it in the fastest time
It’s actually not just her that’s not prioritizing the decapitated heads and not only that but if you’re champion gets eaten and you want them to hit the Hydra, that’s eating your champions they’re not doing it unless you take it off auto Lady Mikaga Ninja I will get you all list later
Plarium does not listen to Saph, Fateless does. that alone guarantees Godforge will wipe the floor with Raid.
Godforge will want to make money just like Raid the problem is people will blindly spend because they have bought into it already due to the CCs involved, They will soo. Be cursing it like any Gacha
How does the team you had up for nightmare at the beginning work without provoke or block buffs? Don't you get hard blocked by poison cloud?
The only reason I built a Yannica team was because I don’t have Trunda and cannot compete otherwise. So it appears that Trunda teams can still do billions of damage while Yannica teams are nerfed. Cool.
21:19 Crazy dps Nia, she's broken😂 New meta has emerged
I think when a head gets decapitated then the turn meter bar for the head should be dropped to zero. It's not fair if you decapitate a head when it's turn meter bar is almost full then you effectively only get 1 turn to put damage on the head. Not everyone can pound thru the HP on the decapitated that quickly. For end game accounts it won't make a difference but for earlier accounts it will help them up the damage.
Love and appreciate your content I have been punished and I don't use trunda wixwell or any cheese teams and now can't auto either
Actually, I think the only one to blame for this mess is Plarium. This is a pay to win game and everyone knows it. I am a low spender and I lack powerful hydra meta champs. I had one very lucky pull with Primal shard recently and now have one mythical champion. I didn't have Trunda and Wixwell, but I didn't have any feelings about these overpowered champs or people who pursued them. What pisses me off is Plarium's dishonest and predatory practice. Who knew all along that Trunda was broken but refused to do anything about it for so long? Who was it to claim that Trunda's damage was as was intended? Kept selling Trunda and Yumeko, kept introducing powerful mythicals, powerful champs that are suited to Hudra, encouraging everyone to chase them and milking as much as they can. Then, oh so conveniently, transfer all the blames to players who did powerful combinations and people who have hydra meta champs they themselves created. Of course hydra got easy for them. It didn't get easy for the rest of us. So after taking all their money, they want to blame their customers for hydra not being hard enough and therefore forcing them to buff hydra? That's an excuse for hitting people who poured their valuable time and resources into a team that can actually do some damage? And just implying 'Well, it was too easy so your damages were not deserved'? No refund, no apology? No remorse whatsoever after creating such a huge mess, ignoring the fact that they were the ones who benefited from and encouraged powerful hydra champions. Create a problem, sell a solution and now even transfer blames. I have no trust in whatever they say or do.
Its not only Lady Mikage. Its all ally attack champs. They dont target decapitated heads
Half damage, but with room to adjust. 1.3B down to 620M clash points. So no top clash chest and personal reward chests take 2 weeks now
Edit: my normal team is gutted. To hard to manage killing multiple dead head at the same time. 440 vs 170 mil
It just managed to hit 1.3 billons a couple of weeks ago balenced over 3 teams. My brutal went from 180 to 150, but had to switch out my block buff option due to new consumption growth mechanics and that this rotaion favor the poison cloud head alot. if you dont use an affinity friendly block debuff champion things can spiral really fast. In short mischief head eat my block buff champ just before he is to apply block buff with increased consumption health. Before i can break him free poison cloud get placed and mischief and game is done. You need so much damage and if the wrong affinity for your damage dealer eats you. Good luck. In short i dont think my damage is halvef overall but i dont think im gonna hit the 1.2b mark.
Ive been playing for about 6 months and i can hit 220mil on hard full auto with my team took me about 40 mins to clear it and hit turn limit now ive got to full manual takes me over and hour and getting 160mil damage instead so my damage is slightly lower but the time i spend doing hydra has increased
The only cc that actualy knows how shit works.
My Brutal team and Hard team haven't changed the damage they do, Brutal 100Mil and hard 70mil, my Brutal team uses Max hp damage dealers which aren't as affected as other champs, while my hard team doesn't. However my normal team that normally does 400mil did 100mil. So I believe that max hp damage dealers are, less affected but also hydra is now balanced in such a way that if your team is way more powerful than needed for the stage you'll lose enough damage which will make it more worth while doing a harder difficulty. I'm planning on testing this out next week by changing around my Hard and normal teams. Over all it has made needing the mechanics to fight and control Hydra even more important while damage has been made less important but there has to be a balance found so you do enough damage. Most of my clan are still deciding whether we like the changes more or less than the old way but I personally prefer it this way, I would have prefered it more if they had done other stuff but still prefer it to what it was.
I already ignore Live Arena, and I am happy to ignore Hydra as well. I will check in with my team. If they are okay with skipping Clash, I am out. Otherwise I will drop a key and walk away. (Only did it for Advanced quest until clash as it was.)
Went from 1B clash points to 420M and it took multiple free resets where the 1B was no free resets.
My damage was not cut in half, it was cut by like 80% because I used Yannica wixwell which was nerfed into the ground. Trunda teams are still viable but the “ftp” teams are not. With that being said, I get nerfing the shields but why Taunt? And why did they buff the Hydra so much too? So bizarre how they do shit. 🤷♂️
LOL! They punish the average player. What else is new? It is almost like we are back to where we were before they nerfed the Hydra awhile back.
all the changes except turn limit reduction are just bad game design and make the game mode less fun
Plarium… “We nerf stuff that’s f2p friendly. Spend more money!”
This ^ needs way more likes
My best team in Brutal, has lost 20-30% !
Going from 32 - 56 mill (depending on heads and champ devoured, I could work with 2 turn devour)
... to 26-34 mill, since once i hit 2x on the devour I pretty surely lost, cause of to low damage !
i went from 9 mil 1 key normal hydra’s to now 2m 1 key normal hydra’s its affected me drastically
Honestly Saph. I don't know if my teams have changed, nor do I really care. Hydra is another game mode that I do because I have to.
Dude adding unm and splitting it to personal hydra and hydra clash would have solved everything. Also could have just put a damage cap...hit number to kill it thats it done
Interestingly, as an end-game player with non-cheese teams, my scores have stayed the same. So relative to all those complaining about nerfed damage, I'm doing way better.
we are not punished for being individuals who came up with something, but we are punished for complaining
i don't think they wanted to nerf trunda... in fact, i believe they said they didn't want to make her not work. the changes are very annoying tho and add nothing to the game. just makes
lower level accounts struggle to get high damage
Brutal is no longer an option, and now I have to babysit even when it runs on auto because auto AI is IGNORING DECAPITATED HEADS. It's not just Mikage.
99% of us can't get 25-40 mil on a Trunda a2.. we don't all have maxed area and great hall bonuses
Make more videos about op champs and teams, so Plarium will see what to nerf 😂
How bout you guys quit recommending changes all it it doing is fcking it up gd it was just fine
Balance aside, this fight is less fun and more annoying than before.
hydra is now dead content
wont bother anymore
Pretty sure Mikage still prioritize DECAPITATED heads lmao
How were wixwell teams an issue they only did around 1billion. Thats a score that you achieved without him?
I jumped in and tested for an hour or so with a few different teams on normal, I was getting 70-100m
I used to get 200-300 on hard/brutal...
I did 6b on normal with Trunda and Fyna, now I barely did 400m???
Did anyone notice a change to wu-kong’s AI
Hydra is simply dead. Period. Everyone please become f2p so we can teach them a lesson. If their income halts, they WILL BE FORCED to go back to the way it was or nerf the buff they did.
I have lost >60% even with manualling more. The serpent will buffs are killing my teams. Unless you have Trunda who still one-shots everything it's very hard to make the heads respawn at the same time and not one by one. So stupid. And Trunda still op. I was originally not against the changes, but what they have done is not it. I still have no incentive to improve on my teams and rather have to hope I one day pull Trunda or one of the other broken champs.
Before the changes I would reach the turn limit and do 130-135M in two hours with a semi-auto Taunt team (Emic+Nia.)
After the changes, I had to plan a new team with one extra healer and one extra single-target damage dealer, and I reached the new turn limit and did 125M in 40 minutes of manual play.
Increase speed on me vs decreased speed on the hydra is useful. I reached the turn limit with the digesting shield increased *one* time.
To be honest, if the goal was to make me *actually play* hydra as designed, with all the mechanics, the changes were mostly a success.
The only difference is Hydra Clash points and I don't really care about Hydra Clash.
I do think the nerfs where a bit harsh but I completely disagree with the notion that they did nothing for improvement. Yes trunda is still very good, but it was a succesfull nerf, they wanted her to stil be good but not just straight up busted which they achieved. If you look at trunda and what she caused (bloatation of hydra clash points) they definitely put her a peg down. Now the next question is, is it enough? The upcoming weeks will show that but I am pretty confident in saying that they used the correct route when it came to nerfing trunda. They still are willing to nerf her so if she still runs rampant we can maybe see a 2nd nerf. I rather see them under nerfing and then nerfing again than over nerfing. Hope they keep working on balancing hydra since it still needs tweaks but overall I think people are exaggerating
Pre Nerf, could scrape top chests on hard/Brutal.. post nerf, scraping the bottom chests.. I have no OP team options, not even playing since 2021..
Phew good thing they nerfed Madman.
I did 100m on brutal now 45m but I took provoke out and I did end up with 70m on brutal team
95% of the players were decapitated, the beginning of the end for this shitty game.
I think they ruined relentless also. I build a team for auto not to spend 2 hours in a single small section of the game doing babysitting.
all this hydra change has done is make players like me who where progressing through hydra take a step bk and just quit doing hydra and now i have so much time bk in my day to do other things.
my emic team does about a tenth.
If this is supposed to make me spend money it has the opposite effect. Why would I give money to a game that keeps changing the rules every time I turn around. They crippled me in the arena last time and now they destroyed me in hydra.
My clan suffered a little but wix cb nerf not as bad as expected. And I just pulled odin from my first prism shard.
i really like you but you have helped up to this date nerfed multiple champions because"they have xhanged your game prospective " (corpulent cadaver ,wixwell yanica and so on )you as an end game player with full great hall dont care but you demolish new players
And hopefully he will continue to do so. Abusive teams like Cadaver or Wixwell/Yannica are not good for the game. Sadly, Trunda is still broken. It's hard for me to understand how players just don't care about game balance. Well, maybe they just don't want to play the game how it is meant to be played.
I mostly blame Plarium for taking so long to react. That way many players jump on these cheese teams and then are very "surprised" and angry when said teams finally get nerfed.