I mean technically it makes sense for Ashran but realistically you can easily make Stormshield and Warspear Outpost part of Ashran. Hell personally that would be aweseome just chilling in SS/WO and suddenly the other faction charges in and burns the camp to the ground. And for the people who could care less about PVP, they get a faction exclusive city, that fits with the expansion.
We are talking about the company who makes the lore. If they put it in then its instantly lore friendly. That isnt a reason to give as to why they took it out if thats the case then they didnt have enough time or were lazy.
iirc the reason the cities on number 1 didn't become hub cities is because they were too massive and you couldn't mount inside of them. Beyond that they weren't very populated in terms of vendors and NPCs to take up all the extra space so they felt very empty. Also from what I know about them you have to finish a fairly hefty quest chain to unlock them, so i speculate, since WoW offers a 100 boost now and probably knew they were going too back then, they wouldn't want to force new 100's to complete half a level 90-92 zone to unlock their factions main city.
The problem, IMO, with flying combat is the vehicles (including mounts) that we use while airborne either fly on a track, in the case of specific quests, or are basically a 'freedom in the 3rd dimension' button, in the case of mounts. None of the flying machines or mounts actually feels like it has any 'weight'. You're not actually gliding through space flying against gravity, trying to generate lift and...actually 'flying' really... you're basically just allowed a 3rd degree of freedom that you can move in. I hope I'm making sense with that.
No... Karabor?? They took away... Karabor?? They had the BALLS to take us away the greatest addition in WOD... Karabor??!! TO THE FORUMS EVERYONE!! LET'S GIVE BLIZZARD HELL!!!!
i heard this monday is the refund monday.. i was a bit early on this as i requested a refund yesterday.. Sure ill continue to play WoW but i will not purchase WoD till they reverse their decison or Kill WoW all together.. and seems like number 2 is on the path of being a realization remember guys REFUND MONDAY
Dan Bc personally i dont really care about horde.. IMO and this is my right to express my oppinon, horde has screwed alliance from the very begining. leading to garrosh.. and i want to be corrected on this. they really had no reason to build a base in outlands.. till garrosh went back in time.. FOR THE ALLIANCE
Best thing ever scrapped in WoW - Troll joke. "I kill two dwarves in da morning, I kill two dwarves at night, I kill two dwarves in the afternoon, and then I feel alright. I kill two dwarves in time of peace and two in time of war, I kill two dwarves before I kill two dwarves, and then I kill two more."
2019 and... Kul Tiras is a main alliance zone in BFA Zandalari Trolls is a main race in BFA with their own zone Titan-forging and Titan themed expansion Underwater naga realm coming in 8.2 Emerald Dream had a big part in the Druid portion of Legion, with a raid around the Emerald Nightmare and BFA also focusing on it
SockBot Not to mention the mystery of Illidan has been revealed that he's going to be resurrected by Gul'dan. Add that with the fact that we're finally going to be able to explore the Broken Isles, this is going to be an awesome expansion.
Okay so, we have alot of upcomming (Possible) expansions in the future: 1. Queen Azshara returns from the deep with her naga. [Together with the naga capitol of Nazjatar and the tomb of sargeras] 2. The emerald dream 3. Return of Kel'thuzard/Illiddan (Kel'thuzad said he will be back with powers beyond our limits) (and the Lordaeron Unrevealed area on the map) 4. Bolvar as the new lich king 5. Sargeras with the burning legion [With Alleria and Tyralion] [We had signs of this expansion in MoP and WoD] 6. The Old Gods Return [There is 1 god that has NEVER showed up in WOW yet and that is N'zoth, he is responisble for the corruption of deathwing and the corruption of the emerald dream and much more] 7. Tyr 8. The mistery of Neptulon and Ozumat 9. What lies on the backside of Azeroth? What is on the back side of our planet? 10. The Old Arachnid Kingdoms unite [Azjol-nerub/Ahn'kahet/Ahn'qiraj and many many more!] [We have seen only 2 areas of the arachnid kingdom in Northrend, Under the whole of this continent lies the old architecture wonder of these nerubians] 11. The Rising Forsaken 12. The Lost Planets, as we have seen in ulduar, these planets are: 1. Planet of the ethearals, Or Xeroth, the homeworld of the dreadlords, and some others.
"W-what Blizzard lied at Blizzcon. That's never happened before" This shit happens every expansion and people keep falling for it. "Look guys at all the cool stuff we have planned, WoW is fixed" months later after people have already prepurchased "Sorry all those cool things we said have been cancelled. Enjoy your 1 instance year long raid tier. Thanks for the preorder" Stop trusting these hacks.
To me the scrapping of the two major cities for WoD has more to do with Ashran. I'm willing to bet that the developers felt players wouldn't want to go to Ashran to do PVP so they just moved the player hubs to the outskirts of Ashran. Didn't really work though, since players just stayed in their Garrisons anyway.
I wish for the same thing. So far the leaks show tiny capitals (similar to shrines in panadria; with alliance/horde building models). www.wowhead.com/news=241432/ashran-images-including-horde-and-alliance-bases I want the BIG ones damn it!
Devon Brown Yeh instead of cool buildings for the hubs we get these boring human / orc forts... And since it's beta they probably still need to add some construction sites to the alliance hub, you know, humans never get their buildings done. Edit: Woops never mind, one of the screenshots shows an unfinished wall T_T
Go complain on the forums if you don't like it... I mean seriously, go, do it. If enough people feel the same, we might convince those lazy asses to do it. I bet they just went CBA after realizing the size of those cities, fearing they might not be able to fill them up and make them feel as capital cities. I really don't care if it would delay WoD for another 15-30days, just make it done it's worth it.
Kokainuser Their reason (according to CM Lore) was that basically they don't want it to feel like the Horde and Alliance are there to help the Frostwolves and Draenei, that they're there to kill the Iron Horde. This reasoning has numerous holes in the fact that it doesn't make sense not to accept help from allies in a savage new land, it doesn't answer why we were given generic forts on a small island that is in no way involved with the rest of Draenor, and only serves as a PvP sandbox, and it also goes against all common sense because i don't know about you, but denying two massive, and fortified cities we just helped to LIBERATE, to instead build a flimsy fort on a small island in the middle of the ocean with limited resources while our enemy is the naval superpower, seems pretty stupid to me.
Sputer Head as indicated by the massive amount of people that stopped again. wod simply wasnt as promised. so many things were advertised and then cut. and so much more feels half assed.
Sputer Head eh no. try searching for all the things that were scrapped in wod. no reason to discuss it with you before if you dont know just how much was scrapped, that was promised.
OMFGcataFAN1 99.9% of the stuff they scraped i'm glad they scraped, flying being the only issue which I learned to happily live without and do not really wish for it to come to wod anymore, not at least till the next expansion come out then who cares about wod content
i still wish they offered a more variety of customization race choice for each race. Like for the trolls id love to play as one of the hulking berserk-er type race from zandalari, and for the orcs id love to play as one of the red fel orcs or original skin colored orcs from nagrand. Stuff like that would definitely mix the variation up a bit
The thing is that only Darkspear trols are allied to the horde. It wouldn't have any sense to been able to use a zandalari or an amani. Now, with others races it could be posible. You can see the dark iron dwarves have now a good place in the alliance, it could be possible to have them in te future.
Amongog I'm pretty sure the last tribe of forest trolls still serves the horde, they own the horde village on the coast, even a troll in the inn says "We're proud to be the last forest troll tribe to serve the horde" or something like that.
funny how you said at the end, "Speaking up helps the devs understand your concerns" almost two years after this video and the devs havent listened to our concerns yet
That's exactly what he was talking about. Before Northrend was introduced in WotLK everybody thought it was just an icy place, and then in the game there was a lot of variation. Right now people think the Emerald Dream is "just a big green place" but when they introduce in the game it could also have a lot of variation.
Zuhayr Chowdhury I think if the Nightmare returns, it might corrupt the landscape of some zones. The whole Dream would be an awesome place to roam, though. I'm just not sure the whole place would be suitable for an expansion to set itself around.
thing is northrend already had people in it and buildings and forts. the emerald dream is a place with trees and grass and no buildings because creatures couldn't interfere.
Patrick Laceholder That Nightmare corruption idea sounds awesome! That way there could be variation and we would get to see the Nightmare's effects first-hand. If the Emerald Dream does ever come in an expansion it will probably be alongside the South Seas, so the expansion would not be entirely based on the Dream, just partially.
No beating about the bush here. Lore's (Community Manager) reasoning for this move is stupid, weak and pointless. Why? Here's why: *We’re not helping the Draenei or Frostwolves fight off the Iron Horde - they’re helping us.* Yes, they're helping us, because we're on THEIR WORLD, the SAVAGE WORLD, remember, the word that Blizzard kept shamelessly promoting? They know their own world better than any of us. And considering the amount of forces Khadgar was able to bring from Azeroth to construct our base of operation, we are at their mercy, because nobody else will help us on their SAVAGE world. We need them, YES, but they also need US, if we're to survive in the world of SAVAGE Iron Horde. *That, along with the continued development of Garrisons into the overall quest and story flow of the expansion, led us to the decision to develop the Horde and Alliance bases on Ashran into the major faction hubs instead of Bladespire and Karabor. Promoting the world PvP area on Ashran is a nice perk, but it wasn’t a factor in making that decision.* Seriously? I hate having PvP shoved in my face. If I feel like PvPing I'll go there to PvP zone, but I don't want it shoved down my throat. I mean even Dalaran wasn't doing it and it "almost" flies over Wintergrasp, Also, even if we use Garrison's for future quests, that's still not the reason to remove the current main hub. *That said, the Temple of Karabor and Bladespire Fortress are still there. We haven’t removed them or anything like that. You won’t be able to use your bank or check your auctions there, but they’re still fully built home cities for the Karabor Draenei and Frostwolf Orcs, respectively. You’ll still be able to explore them in their full glory.* OH, you mean just like the City of Gilneas?~ Ugh! This one infuriates me most of all. Even if the city still exists, it's existence becomes POINTLESS (except if you're role playing) unless you give it a FURTHER function. Because the way I see it, once you're done with leveling in Shadowmoon and Frostfire, WHAT is the point of them after that? To just stand there for your to take a temporary glance at it and than let it become a Ghost Town, just like Gilneas did? Here I thought you learned from Cataclysm, Developers... It's called Ghost Town Syndrome. Long story short: their reason is laughable, trying to promote PvP and making a copy/paste generic forts we've seen dozens of times. Putting main faction capitol outside mainland and on an isolated island, makes you completely disconnected from the world. Also, Iron Horde has a HUGE fleet of Juggernauts and with the size that these 2 islands are ( i.imgur.com/dLP0znj.png ), they could be bombarded to the ground in 2-5minutes. In other words, strategic position is really REALLY vulnerable. People need to start fighting back while the expansion in still in development and not let the developers get this abomination through, or we'll see an even bigger sub drop BEFORE WoD comes out.
"like city of gilneas?" THIS X1000 please don't repeat this blizzard, that's such a neat area that is literally useless and might as well be removed, because it has no practical purpose and nobody ever goes there, despite it being extensively (wasted) detailed.
I think devs at Blizzard should ask themselves this question: "Are we making a game for ourselves whos actually rarely play, or for those who actually play the game and keep our stomach fed?"
First off you are all getting angry over nothing really. The cities are still there, they will still have all the came content in them. There is only one major difference, it will not be the main hub spot for each faction. The allies will still be able to go to Kalabore and free it/defend it. Same goes for the horde as well with their spot. I look at it this way, I really was not looking forward to spending god knows how many weeks or days in building of the area just to have it finally be an open accessed city for my character. Nothing sounds like more of a pain in the ass to have to unlock each week or what not new stuff for the city like bank vendors, or auction house, transmog shop etc etc etc. I do not mind having to go through and free parts of a city for another group though like the frostwolves or anyone else as long as when i get bored/done i can warp to my main city.
t ru You apparently did not read when I said that, once you are done with content inthere, what is the point of returning if there is no additional content to keep you inthere? Also, what are you talking about "weeks in there to have it open"? You don't take weeks or even days to liberate Bladespire\Karabor, you just need to finish the initial garrison quest and when you go to the city to liberate them, that is IT, it is unlocked. With Ashran however it^ll probably take until max lvl for it to unlock, so you are in for something far worse.
It is sad. I was really looking forward to it. But the back lash on the WoW forum within a week have almost beat what the no flying back lash has been doing for months. As well as there is a topic on MMO champion that is around 510 pages of back lash.
Quite possibly worst decision Blizz could make, both factions want to have an awesome liberated city, being an ally I was/am pumped to see Karabor, but if they are planning to make us have our safe points in some tents outside of Ashran... are you mad Blizz?
Devon Brown Translation: "We want to satiate the PvPers because they're dumbasses who wish the game was geared only to them and wont shut the fuck up so we have rehashed some old bollocks that makes the expac less authentic and interesting."
Bushflare Devon Brown Try reading the blue post. They said this wasn't done for pvp reasons. The capitals are on Ashran but they're not in the pvp zone of it. This doesn't force world pvp at all; at best it just makes you closer to where it will be in the event that you want to participate. They said it was done for lore reasons.
jampk24 I can't imagine those lore reasons are terribly compelling and since about 80% of the playerbase doesn't PvP I can't imagine this is going to make them want to. The reason they don't PvP is because PvP in WoW is fundamentally broken on many levels and they don't want to have to navigate that whilst being pounded on by people with much better gear than them who already know how to navigate the PvP minefield. This is just going to make people resent PvP even more because we're losing part of the identity of the expansion.
To be honest, I don't really buy the lore reasoning either but it also doesn't feel like it's going to make anyone more likely to go into Ashran for pvp. I really don't get this move at all. Poor decision and even more poorly handled.
naga would never ever ever ever betray queen azshara, as long as she is alive they will not join the alliance. and also i think the night elves would be pretty pissed off if the naga join their side.
The devs could care less if you voiced your opinion, the only thing these people understand is when their wallets are hit. People should always cancel their subscription for a full month when big features like this are removed, you can voice your opinion all you want, if you're still giving them your money, they will just continue.
Protesting by cancelling for a month isn't going to change their minds on your shitty opinion. They know the chances of a person returning within a month or two after they've cancelled is extremely high, so they're not going to do much of anything influenced by fan suggestion.
The final expansion will not be versus Sargeras, but rather versus the Old Gods. The vision prophet Velen saw, was pretty much describing an old god. Darkness was never the term they used to adress the burning legion.
Since it's been 2 years since this video, for those curious if anything in it has been updated: The Emerald Dream appears in Legion, however, it's a raid, in the form of the Emerald Nightmare. We get an answer to Neptulon and Ozumat in Legion. Neptulon appears in the Shaman class hall... and he's tamed Ozumat as his pet. Seems Azshara's pet wasn't as strong at Mind Control as she thought.
Snoop Table I hope you're not talking about me, because I certainly did not. I do however agree that my comment was incredibly lame and I feel bad for the guy liking it.
Blizzard never stated that they are removing Karabor and Bladespire. . . They just won't be your main hub. You can still go there and make it the hangout (much like the Shrines are) . I'm not trying to enrage anyone with this post, just trying to clarify.
Their wouldn't be any point to stay there. The Shrines in Pandaria actually had portals, venders and stuff, meaning they were the main hub. However, they have no plans to implement this luxury into Bladespire / Karabor. The only people that will be there are Role Players, or levelers.
Kenziex123 I like that. I think stormwind and orgrimmar should always be a place you return to, they feel like home. Its just awful to have a new town every single expansion. Especially since the Mop one was so boring
***** Regardless of what new cities show up in the future, I'm sure Stormwind and Orgrimmar will still be considered home, and there will always be plenty of people in those cities. However, every new continent needs a hub. It wouldn't make sense to keep our bases of operation, on the opposite side of the Dark Portal when we are trying to defeat the Iron Horde.. We really need a main hub, preferably ON Draenor instead of off the coast.
ben woods People don't go back to SW and Orgrimmar.. the majority stay in shrine because it's more convenient. Now that the expansion is pretty much over, NOW SW and Org are populated. But during progression, Shrine was definitely the main city
I find it funny how everyone here is bitching about removing the big cities as the main hubs. Everyone I know just sits in their garrison since they can literally get access to anything they need from there.
PersonaX I can understand some grief .If anyone was into the Blizzard lore they would hope for some kinda city something to say welcome to your new home till you get the next expansion then this place will be a ghost town.
1:36 what about the other 6 races on there? ID LOVE to be either naga or high elf or forest troll especially forest troll, since I dont find normal trolls visually appealing enough. and the others whose names i cant make out. are those races ever going to be released?
5:02 Wait. A rumored expansion after Legion is an argus, Kil'jaden expansion. Unless Kil'Jaden is the last boss of Legion (Or second to last) Which is rumored because whenever a vry'kul dies somewhere around The Halls of Valor dungeon they say "Kil'jaden will get you" or something like that. He even appeared in many class order hall campaigns. There might be a small speculation about the expansion after Legion is the Argus expansion and that will be the last with Kil'Jadan. OR Legion could be the last expansion with Kil'jaden being the last or second to last boss. This is interesting. Please correct anything of mine that is wrong or what else you think.
at 3:31 there is a screen shot of races and factions, EXPLAIN! i see ogres, high elves(which i thought were blood evles), Dragonid, Naga, the walrus ppl, but what are the two on both horde and ally up on from the bottom and where did you get this screen shot?
Interesting. I like the idea of a Emerald Dream Expansion and a South Sea expansion. They can add more diversity. The Emerald Dream could be so awesome. I love elvin forest zones. The developers can make it more interesting by emphasizing the Emerald Nightmare. There can be a spooky forest with scary monsters. There can be a mix of spooky zones and pretty zones. There are forests of different colors. Maybe there are some grasslands and wastelands mixed in. It could be awesome and scary
3:31 The idea of having three factions instead of two would be awesome for Blizzard to include. to be fair, they could've had a third faction since Cataclysm. The third faction would include the Worgens, Goblins, Ogres and Pandarians and another race if they made one.
Amarís Blackscale Translation: There will be a city, but it will look like crap. Karabor and Bladespire will exist, but they will be ghost towns once you hit level 100.
Abyssal Maw...RIP. I loved Vashj'ir's water theme and I loved the assets and the atmosphere. Blizzard really fucked up Cata on so many levels, it's hilarious. (The first raid tier was okay, everything afterwards was just lackluster.)
What about High Elves? They were considered for the Alliance race in Burning Crusade and to this day are one of the most demanded races. Personally, I've been fan of them since Warcraft II and have been hoping for them to enter the game since beta. Dalaran would be the perfect capitol for us since Jaina kicked the Horde trash out and lore wise they have a huge potential for amazing stories. Personally I'd love to have them with new voices and an improved vivid blue glow for their eyes, as well as slightly different racials. High Elves are the same as Blood Elves in many ways, but they are the older more experienced Elves of the two and are more disciplined, so their primary racial power would be different. I suggest something similar to Dwarven Stone form except magic and curse effects would have their defuffs reversed into buffs, instead of a 10% damage reduction from all sources. PS: The male High Elf voice should be played by Brian Drummond and the female should be Janyse Jaud.
There are even fewer Forsaken, Trolls and Gnomes, yet they made the cut. The population argument they gave is incorrect and never flew in the first place. The only reason High Elves aren't playable is because Blizzard wanted to give the Horde an attractive race, nothing more, nothing less. Not because it made sense lore wise. Not because the Alliance wouldn't welcome them....They did it to balance populations.
Lol, so your logic is that me being right makes me selfish? Who am I taking away from exactly? Was Blizzard being selfish when they made us share Pandas? High Elves have been in demand for ten years now, far more than Pandas. So why not help those fans out? I'm only one of thousands who came to know High Elves in Warcraft 2 and 3 as an Alliance race. Doesn't our vote count? The funny part is that most hardcore Horde fans don't even like them!
Justin Wallace W8 a sec, am i insane or are bloodelves not high elves. Because the high elves their sunwell exploded and the survivors called themselves blood elves.
***** No they're not. Darkspear Trolls are the Horde race we all know and they were a small splinter faction who were nearly wiped out by Murlocs before joining. Thrall saved them and befriended their leader, which is why they became founding members of the new Horde. There were so few of them in fact that even a small place like the Echo Isles served as their home. Originally their ancestors were from Stranglethorn Vale, but they separated from them a long time ago. Bottom line, the population argument against High Elves doesn't wash. Even if Blizz never gives them their due, I'll still hope that High Elves will be a playable Alliance race at some point.
Supposedly we are to get small island capitals in ashran. Supposedly the size of the shrines in pandaria but sadly the appearance of 5.1 www.wowhead.com/news=241432/ashran-images-including-horde-and-alliance-bases
***** for fuck sakes when will people stop with this "OMGZ WRATH WAS THE BEST" bullshit nostalgia thing? Yes wrath was good lore wise, and it had good zones, but there was also some aspects to it that were terrible, for one the massive gap between raiders and non, the gigantic talent trees and huge battery of abilities that made people just face roll their keyboard to win, the PVP was terrible, I can go on. The game changes, new adventures were out there, stop ruining the game for newer players by scaring them away because you want it to be like wrath of BC.
Patrick Strong The gap between raiders and non raiders wasn't really big at all. I remember a lot of non raiders doing the weekly Raid Boss quest and then doing at least 2 or 3 more bosses in the Raid(ICC included).
YUhave2Bawsome I understand that. But I was elaborating on how people always freak out with how GREAT Wrath was, the lore was riding off the backs of a giant from WC3, of course it was going to be the best lore wise, because that's what drew people deeper into the story.
Announcing features at Blizzcon just to scrap them later. Nice job Blizzard. I feel like Blizzcon is the place of all places where things should be set in stone. Happens once a year, have people travel from all over the country, yet they announce features that aren't even remotely implemented. They might as well just be spit-balling ideas in a regular Monday morning meeting in their fucking offices.
I think that would be great! In the starting zone, you could start as a fully fledged arrakoa, going around, being utterly badass. Eventually, you are cast off from your home onto the surface for whatever reason and you become one of the cursed/grounded Arrakoa. You could have a temporary transformation back into your original form as a racial flying mount, and the race could really embrace the shadow priest spec, as that is what a lot of them do. We already have the new updated WoD models from the Spires of Arak, and they already have a ton of Lore. Come on Blizzard, make it happen!
James Wadland That would be amazing actually! But the only real problem i see is how armor works, might need a rework or something. But I think that the temporary flying mount could work like the goblin car on Kezan.
***** True. The armour would need a bit of a tweak, and it would be a large effort to get armour sets out other than the regular purple and yellow robe, but they've done a great job with the armour models that are currently out, so its nothing they cant achieve.
James Wadland Yeah, but i really hoped with WoD they would bring them in, unless they do another outland/draenor expansion or a revamp expansion there is really little chance they will be playable.
***** It is a shame that Blizzard missed out the chance to include the Arrakoa, even if it would be hard to come up with a reason that they would join the Alliance/Horde/Both. But, Chriz Metzen did make up a reason that Pandaren joined the ranks of the Alliance or Horde, why not Arrakoa? Like you said, it would depend on if they do another outland/draenor expansion. Perhaps they could help us take down the Leigon on Argus? Draenor is their world as much as the orc's, ogre's or Draenei's and probably dont want it to happen again.
At 3:37 when you show the Ogre on the Race menu, what are the other races shown on the side bar that arent available in the game? I see multiple but cant make them out.
+Bach Wiechman That shot isn't from a Blizzard source. You can find it on the DeviantArt account of TheWabbajackX. The nonstandard races are Broken, High Elf, Naga, Dragonspawn, Tuskarr, Forest Troll, and Ogre.
It's a bad idea for a number of reasons: 1) It's out of the way. Ashran is an island off the coast of the continent. 2) Lag issues. Wintergrasp and Dalaran could sometimes get pretty laggy in Wrath on high pop servers. Now imagine if they were the same zone. It's going to be nightmarish to have the massive world PVP event going on 24/7 next to the cities where everyone has to go to do all of their banking, auctions, etc. 3) They just look dull. And they're going to continue looking dull even when they're finished. The two places people are going to be spending the majority of their time in Warlords are their faction city and their garrisons, both of which will use similar racial architecture that we've already seen for several expansions running. Meanwhile Bladespire and Karabor will become the new Silvermoon/Exodar: Beautiful cities that no one ever visits because they're inconvenient.
its because blizzard didn't give us a legitimate reason, and they already made it clear that it was going to be our quest, also they pretty much finished the cities so why they took the time to add the portals and such to a shanty town with walls, ill never know
i dont see how it makes sence to scrap them, it would be like removing orgimmar, stormwind and every other capital from azeroth. draenor is a whole differant planet and should have its own capitals
It's not scrapped, though. It's just moved. The cities still exist. Also, it's nothing like removing Orgrimmar or Stormwind, because both of those were already IN the game.
Although there currently still missing the old god that turned the high elves into naga... So my guess is that we will see that as the next expansion. Or that it will become raid tier in this upcoming expansion although I dont see that happening as the entire old god issue can pretty much only be covered with an expansion.
I absolutely love your guys' dedication to WoW, I've played it since late Vanilla, I haven't lost any love for it and so many of these ideas I do hope they bring back!
The one thing you should never do is listen to anything Metzen says. He is a liar and an excuse maker as well as being prone to double-standards and going back on his word. He's also a terrible writer. His reasoning for scrapping the Emerald Dream was just an excuse to make it look like everything Blizzard does is a conscious "good idea" on their part, when in reality they have to take time and resources into account, then coming up with a "good excuse" to justify it beyond just saying "because time and resources" which tends to upset players and make them think the developers and writers are corporate dogs. Blizzard is not the only company that does this.
TheEtoimos Yeah he is. So-and-so has gone mad, so-and-so has become corrupted, so-and-so is crazy, so-and-so has been tainted by Old Gods, etc... this is every antagonist Metzen has written and it usually occurs out of nowhere. See Garrosh. And then Grommash Hellscream commits various atrocities then gets off scot-free because he helped kill Archimonde. "I did'n du nuffin!"
TheEtoimos You do not have to be corrupted or even villainous to be an "Antagonist". You simply need to be at odds with the main characters. Two factions fighting over the same thing, food and water, are each others Antagonists.
Lord Proteus Well think about what the purpose of the story writing is. If you fought another person simply because you don't like them, or one of you dies otherwise you wouldn't feel good as a player. The games intention is to make you believe you do the correct things and become a heroe without flaws. Those complex reasonings are not supposed to be the main aspect of a game meant to relax from real live problems. Well that's my opinion at least.
+TheEtoimos I don't know if Metzen is writing ALL the lore for Warcraft, but everything that I can directly trace back to him is pretty bad. He can't even keep track of his own lore ("Isn't Falstad dead?" "I didn't realize I had already used the name Eredar for something else!") And Garrosh is probably the single worst-written character I've seen in any game in a long time. He goes from one thing to another (whiny bitch to honorable warrior; honorable warrior to raging hothead; raging hothead to dead) with the flip of a switch, no development whatsoever. No meaning or purpose except to keep squirming around, doing things to try to fix his own bad characterization but only making it worse. It's not that we don't understand the writers' reasoning. We understand just fine. We understand TOO well, that it's painful to watch what they tried, and failed, so hard doing.
TheEtoimos It's not about WHAT happened. It's about HOW it is presented to happen. Like I already said, changes to Garrosh happen with the flick of a light switch. No gradual development, no convincing build-up. Just poof: then he's this. Poof: then he's that. "It happens in real life" is not an excuse for bad writing. To paraphrase Mark Twain, Fiction is obliged to stick to rules of believable possibility and presentation that Reality is not obliged to follow. Fiction is, necessarily, sensible; there's a point to be made by the whole deliberate exercise. It's not enough for Fiction to say that something happened; show me the point of telling me this happened. Reality doesn't always do that, but we can't force it otherwise. Fiction, however, has to, and we can make it do so.
Unfortunately, I doubt they will reverse this decision. Tom Chilton and the rest of the oblivious people at Blizzard seem steadfast in their desire for the main hubs to be built with PvP in mind. I can't think of a time Blizzard has ever caved in to community demands to reverse a big change. At best, we'll simply receive some more quests in Karabor/Bladespire, as Blizzard will incorrectly interpret the protest as some sort of general love for these locations, and then they'll try to pimp out the Ashram forts with some additional art assets with accompanying screenshots to try to appease the masses.
Brendon Mize Brendon Mize rubbed his chin quizzically as he pondered over the many possible reasons for Blizzards actions. How could Blizzard do something like this? Could he even trust them anymore? "They did unban Swifty" he said aloud. "Gosh, how long ago was that now?" Wookiedestroyer then chimed in, "3 years or so now mate!" He then added, "If you want my opinion, I think they should of kept him banned!" Then he stood up, now fully looking in Brendon Mize's direction, with an almost triumphant look on his face. Brendon gave Wookie and impatient look and shook his head slightly. He knew that Wookie, for as good a friend that he was, had an annoying tendency to play devils advocate. Something Brendon had no patience for. "I am not even going to waste my time replying to that Wookie" he stated flatly. "You know how much Swifty means to me... he is a hero to us all" He then left the room, leaving a taken-a-back friend in his wake. "Mate, I was just messing with ya!" he shouted after him, "I like Swifty too... honest!" *SCENE END*
I think Blizzard must have watched this video before making Legion. The Emerald Dream, Path of the Titans being Artifacts, the single continent with Suramar etc. and finally capital cities. Blizz did announce there will be a capital city and class hubs. So good job :P.
LOL I was listening to this in the background, I just hear "Then we have some input from, leaking tit..." I closed the game I was on and was like wtf and laughed so hard xD
+Nozzivix Exactly, part of the reason people hung out at garrisons so much was because Ashran was absolutely trash and unappealing aesthetically. If they kept those cities, that problem isn't as big.
Jaime Ruiz I never played warlords but I would have liked to have seen more done with Karabor (and the horde city). Awesome to see in its glory but not much to do there.
you know what would really be a cool feature? remove the level cap, and make certain areas of the game open pvp (in other words you don't need permission to attack and kill other players) I love it when mmo's do things like this because I love being a bad guy, implementing this feature would allow me and my whole guild to become bandits or pirates and wreak havoc on weaker players, and steal their gear.
Ezra Lipman who cares if all the games are more fun? right now mmo's all suck, because they're all nothing but grinding and raiding, at least my way it gives you the freedom to basically do whatever the fuck you want
Why is DD so obsessed with a naga expansion? It's just such a bad idea... keep in mind how many people HATE Vashj'ir.. and a expansion where you're under water at all times? Pass..
Unless it actually happened above ground, with sunken landmasses rising from the water so we don't actually have to swim. That would be an easy fix. We see naga on land all the time.
LOL. The first piece of information in this video you contribute to LeakingTit. I died when I heard that. Just completely didn't expect it. The second coming of him didn't catch me off guard so much...but my did that first one.
Ah the Kul Tiran and Zandalar predictions did happen!
It's fun watching this 5 years later
10 years later and most of this has happened lol
awesome vid! I only knew about 20% of those
Ya nerd
Nerd
You big nerd!
OH SHIZZLE
Peyton Stein MAH NIZZLE SHAZBOT!
leakingtit totally on fire on this top 10
Leaking all of blizzard's deep dirty secrets
It is crazy to see how many of these things have been implemented, in one way or another, in Legion.
I dont get why you would ever scrap complete cities just to replace it with shit like orc camps.
I mean technically it makes sense for Ashran but realistically you can easily make Stormshield and Warspear Outpost part of Ashran. Hell personally that would be aweseome just chilling in SS/WO and suddenly the other faction charges in and burns the camp to the ground. And for the people who could care less about PVP, they get a faction exclusive city, that fits with the expansion.
it would fit the lore from lich king the zone from northrend
We are talking about the company who makes the lore. If they put it in then its instantly lore friendly. That isnt a reason to give as to why they took it out if thats the case then they didnt have enough time or were lazy.
who knows but even those scrapped battlegrounds shame they didnt got live
iirc the reason the cities on number 1 didn't become hub cities is because they were too massive and you couldn't mount inside of them. Beyond that they weren't very populated in terms of vendors and NPCs to take up all the extra space so they felt very empty. Also from what I know about them you have to finish a fairly hefty quest chain to unlock them, so i speculate, since WoW offers a 100 boost now and probably knew they were going too back then, they wouldn't want to force new 100's to complete half a level 90-92 zone to unlock their factions main city.
The problem, IMO, with flying combat is the vehicles (including mounts) that we use while airborne either fly on a track, in the case of specific quests, or are basically a 'freedom in the 3rd dimension' button, in the case of mounts.
None of the flying machines or mounts actually feels like it has any 'weight'. You're not actually gliding through space flying against gravity, trying to generate lift and...actually 'flying' really... you're basically just allowed a 3rd degree of freedom that you can move in.
I hope I'm making sense with that.
like how you can fly directly upwards and downwards without falling because of.. physics?
No... Karabor?? They took away... Karabor?? They had the BALLS to take us away the greatest addition in WOD... Karabor??!!
TO THE FORUMS EVERYONE!! LET'S GIVE BLIZZARD HELL!!!!
Don't worry! You will get Alliance camp #974 in the middle of nowhere as a replacement!
i heard this monday is the refund monday.. i was a bit early on this as i requested a refund yesterday.. Sure ill continue to play WoW but i will not purchase WoD till they reverse their decison or Kill WoW all together.. and seems like number 2 is on the path of being a realization remember guys REFUND MONDAY
silent Allliance gets karabor and horde would get that place the orcs lived that doesn't exist in outlands.
Dan Bc personally i dont really care about horde.. IMO and this is my right to express my oppinon, horde has screwed alliance from the very begining. leading to garrosh.. and i want to be corrected on this. they really had no reason to build a base in outlands.. till garrosh went back in time.. FOR THE ALLIANCE
They didn't take it away. They will still be in game, just they won't be our Capitol city.
Best thing ever scrapped in WoW - Troll joke.
"I kill two dwarves in da morning, I kill two dwarves at night,
I kill two dwarves in the afternoon, and then I feel alright.
I kill two dwarves in time of peace and two in time of war,
I kill two dwarves before I kill two dwarves, and then I kill two more."
Dreez76 ... and then I smoke two more!I like that song. "I smoke two joints" Bob Marley
ssjwes that was not bob marley lmfao it was sublime
"They decided it would not be added until Alteric Valley could be balanced." I see what you did blizzard
2019 and...
Kul Tiras is a main alliance zone in BFA
Zandalari Trolls is a main race in BFA with their own zone
Titan-forging and Titan themed expansion
Underwater naga realm coming in 8.2
Emerald Dream had a big part in the Druid portion of Legion, with a raid around the Emerald Nightmare and BFA also focusing on it
The Oculus. The worst dungeon in WoW history. The mere mention of its name makes us WoW fans shiver with godawful memories.
Ya...*shudders as memories come flooding back*
Brandon Schemers pffff. noob.
***** As did I....guess most people are just too weak to learn new things quickly^^
Brandon Schemers I know the gameplay was worse but wasn't Stratholme the purgatory of NPC escort and overacting voice actors?
Brandon Schemers I love the Oculus. It had plenty of bosses to kill when you needed JP and the combat was a refresher from the typical hack and slash.
And to this day Alliance wins 90% of Alteric Valleys.
IOQ.
QQ noob
I'm not new to game, been around since BC. Learn what a word means before you sling it around. Scrub.
Fester actualy newb/newbie means new to something. Noob means you don't want to learn how to do something or you simply are terrible doing at it.
I don't believe there is any correct definition for it, since it's a real word. So i suppose anyone can say it has any definition.
Brilliant, great vid, and thanks for the support with the No.1 DD!
Did you hear the news Dolan? The Emerald Dream is finally coming. It's going to be a raid in the new Legion expansion.
DrScaphandre Tho it is the emerald nightmare, I'm still hella excited.
SockBot Not to mention the mystery of Illidan has been revealed that he's going to be resurrected by Gul'dan. Add that with the fact that we're finally going to be able to explore the Broken Isles, this is going to be an awesome expansion.
DrScaphandre AND DEMON HUNTERS! *Sorry I am glad they are just adding more to them then "You want war glaives? kill that moron over there"*
+DrScaphandre But i guess that means argus is scraped then
Alexandra Ludwig Sorry man. But hey, we're getting Dalaran back.
Okay so, we have alot of upcomming (Possible) expansions in the future:
1. Queen Azshara returns from the deep with her naga. [Together with the naga capitol of Nazjatar and the tomb of sargeras]
2. The emerald dream
3. Return of Kel'thuzard/Illiddan (Kel'thuzad said he will be back with powers beyond our limits) (and the Lordaeron Unrevealed area on the map)
4. Bolvar as the new lich king
5. Sargeras with the burning legion [With Alleria and Tyralion] [We had signs of this expansion in MoP and WoD]
6. The Old Gods Return [There is 1 god that has NEVER showed up in WOW yet and that is N'zoth, he is responisble for the corruption of deathwing and the corruption of the emerald dream and much more]
7. Tyr
8. The mistery of Neptulon and Ozumat
9. What lies on the backside of Azeroth? What is on the back side of our planet?
10. The Old Arachnid Kingdoms unite [Azjol-nerub/Ahn'kahet/Ahn'qiraj and many many more!] [We have seen only 2 areas of the arachnid kingdom in Northrend, Under the whole of this continent lies the old architecture wonder of these nerubians]
11. The Rising Forsaken
12. The Lost Planets, as we have seen in ulduar, these planets are: 1. Planet of the ethearals, Or Xeroth, the homeworld of the dreadlords, and some others.
and dont forget the inevitable: "Winds of Murlocia"
simongosimon No.
i think the last expansion will be Horde Alliance Iliidan Lich king( Bolvar ) vs Sargers and the burning legion + Old goods:))
return of Kel´thuzard and illiddan would be fucking sweet! :D
simongosimon Considering how unlikely was that they would include Pandaren's as a playing race I'd say this is now quite likely. :p
"W-what Blizzard lied at Blizzcon. That's never happened before"
This shit happens every expansion and people keep falling for it.
"Look guys at all the cool stuff we have planned, WoW is fixed"
months later after people have already prepurchased
"Sorry all those cool things we said have been cancelled. Enjoy your 1 instance year long raid tier. Thanks for the preorder"
Stop trusting these hacks.
To me the scrapping of the two major cities for WoD has more to do with Ashran. I'm willing to bet that the developers felt players wouldn't want to go to Ashran to do PVP so they just moved the player hubs to the outskirts of Ashran.
Didn't really work though, since players just stayed in their Garrisons anyway.
If they're smart enough, they'll change the main hubs back to karabor and bladespire :)
start holding your breath..
we'll tell you when they have changed their minds on the subject
I wish for the same thing. So far the leaks show tiny capitals (similar to shrines in panadria; with alliance/horde building models).
www.wowhead.com/news=241432/ashran-images-including-horde-and-alliance-bases
I want the BIG ones damn it!
Devon Brown Yeh instead of cool buildings for the hubs we get these boring human / orc forts... And since it's beta they probably still need to add some construction sites to the alliance hub, you know, humans never get their buildings done.
Edit: Woops never mind, one of the screenshots shows an unfinished wall T_T
Go complain on the forums if you don't like it... I mean seriously, go, do it.
If enough people feel the same, we might convince those lazy asses to do it. I bet they just went CBA after realizing the size of those cities, fearing they might not be able to fill them up and make them feel as capital cities. I really don't care if it would delay WoD for another 15-30days, just make it done it's worth it.
Kokainuser Their reason (according to CM Lore) was that basically they don't want it to feel like the Horde and Alliance are there to help the Frostwolves and Draenei, that they're there to kill the Iron Horde.
This reasoning has numerous holes in the fact that it doesn't make sense not to accept help from allies in a savage new land, it doesn't answer why we were given generic forts on a small island that is in no way involved with the rest of Draenor, and only serves as a PvP sandbox, and it also goes against all common sense because i don't know about you, but denying two massive, and fortified cities we just helped to LIBERATE, to instead build a flimsy fort on a small island in the middle of the ocean with limited resources while our enemy is the naval superpower, seems pretty stupid to me.
Dude, Ogres. Two players in one, it needs to happen.
no, that would cause a HUGE amount of problems
Wouldn't it be funny if o e player controlled moving and the other the spells
*Head 1 is jumping about*
Head 2, "OMFG STOP MOVING NOOB I CANT CAST!!"
DefiantBlazeHD or Head 2 Casting the wrong spells
Head 1 "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!!!!!!@W##!@#@#E1112!
seriously so much amazing stuff was scrapped from WoD i can only think of how good it could've been.
OMFGcataFAN1 could of been? really wod is amazing with absolutely zero faults to speak of
Sputer Head
as indicated by the massive amount of people that stopped again. wod simply wasnt as promised. so many things were advertised and then cut. and so much more feels half assed.
OMFGcataFAN1 literly everything in the trailers and the forums THAT WERE OFFICIAL not just fan posted was given to us
Sputer Head
eh no. try searching for all the things that were scrapped in wod. no reason to discuss it with you before if you dont know just how much was scrapped, that was promised.
OMFGcataFAN1 99.9% of the stuff they scraped i'm glad they scraped, flying being the only issue which I learned to happily live without and do not really wish for it to come to wod anymore, not at least till the next expansion come out then who cares about wod content
welcome back Dolan!
Thanks Geordi
aaaaand he's gone!
+Robert Sides ikr
i still wish they offered a more variety of customization race choice for each race. Like for the trolls id love to play as one of the hulking berserk-er type race from zandalari, and for the orcs id love to play as one of the red fel orcs or original skin colored orcs from nagrand. Stuff like that would definitely mix the variation up a bit
But it wouldn't add up with about 60% of the lore.
The thing is that only Darkspear trols are allied to the horde. It wouldn't have any sense to been able to use a zandalari or an amani.
Now, with others races it could be posible. You can see the dark iron dwarves have now a good place in the alliance, it could be possible to have them in te future.
Amongog I'm pretty sure the last tribe of forest trolls still serves the horde, they own the horde village on the coast, even a troll in the inn says "We're proud to be the last forest troll tribe to serve the horde" or something like that.
But, we should atleast be able to choose brown orcs
Šiaurys Bėrontas Those are not affiliated, they only work for the horde, but they are not part of the Horde, lore-wise
0:30 "Would not be added until AV would be balanced". 7 years later and they are still waiting for AV to be balanced.
5:37 >Broken Isles
Was Danger Dolan a prophet?
funny how you said at the end, "Speaking up helps the devs understand your concerns" almost two years after this video and the devs havent listened to our concerns yet
+Bulletbill Gaming, funny how the game has changed to a more "convenient" model because the devs listened to people's concerns.
1:48 The Emerald Dream and Northrend are quite diffrent. Emerald Dream is just a big green place but in Northrend there's lots of variations in zones.
That's exactly what he was talking about. Before Northrend was introduced in WotLK everybody thought it was just an icy place, and then in the game there was a lot of variation. Right now people think the Emerald Dream is "just a big green place" but when they introduce in the game it could also have a lot of variation.
Zuhayr Chowdhury I think if the Nightmare returns, it might corrupt the landscape of some zones. The whole Dream would be an awesome place to roam, though. I'm just not sure the whole place would be suitable for an expansion to set itself around.
thing is northrend already had people in it and buildings and forts. the emerald dream is a place with trees and grass and no buildings because creatures couldn't interfere.
Patrick Laceholder That Nightmare corruption idea sounds awesome! That way there could be variation and we would get to see the Nightmare's effects first-hand. If the Emerald Dream does ever come in an expansion it will probably be alongside the South Seas, so the expansion would not be entirely based on the Dream, just partially.
there's enough more to it than just a big green place...
Bladespire Citadel was such a cool asset. It would have made for a better Horde hub than Trashran.
No beating about the bush here.
Lore's (Community Manager) reasoning for this move is stupid, weak and pointless. Why? Here's why:
*We’re not helping the Draenei or Frostwolves fight off the Iron Horde - they’re helping us.*
Yes, they're helping us, because we're on THEIR WORLD, the SAVAGE WORLD, remember, the word that Blizzard kept shamelessly promoting? They know their own world better than any of us. And considering the amount of forces Khadgar was able to bring from Azeroth to construct our base of operation, we are at their mercy, because nobody else will help us on their SAVAGE world. We need them, YES, but they also need US, if we're to survive in the world of SAVAGE Iron Horde.
*That, along with the continued development of Garrisons into the overall quest and story flow of the expansion, led us to the decision to develop the Horde and Alliance bases on Ashran into the major faction hubs instead of Bladespire and Karabor. Promoting the world PvP area on Ashran is a nice perk, but it wasn’t a factor in making that decision.*
Seriously? I hate having PvP shoved in my face. If I feel like PvPing I'll go there to PvP zone, but I don't want it shoved down my throat. I mean even Dalaran wasn't doing it and it "almost" flies over Wintergrasp,
Also, even if we use Garrison's for future quests, that's still not the reason to remove the current main hub.
*That said, the Temple of Karabor and Bladespire Fortress are still there. We haven’t removed them or anything like that. You won’t be able to use your bank or check your auctions there, but they’re still fully built home cities for the Karabor Draenei and Frostwolf Orcs, respectively. You’ll still be able to explore them in their full glory.*
OH, you mean just like the City of Gilneas?~
Ugh! This one infuriates me most of all. Even if the city still exists, it's existence becomes POINTLESS (except if you're role playing) unless you give it a FURTHER function. Because the way I see it, once you're done with leveling in Shadowmoon and Frostfire, WHAT is the point of them after that? To just stand there for your to take a temporary glance at it and than let it become a Ghost Town, just like Gilneas did?
Here I thought you learned from Cataclysm, Developers... It's called Ghost Town Syndrome.
Long story short: their reason is laughable, trying to promote PvP and making a copy/paste generic forts we've seen dozens of times.
Putting main faction capitol outside mainland and on an isolated island, makes you completely disconnected from the world.
Also, Iron Horde has a HUGE fleet of Juggernauts and with the size that these 2 islands are ( i.imgur.com/dLP0znj.png ), they could be bombarded to the ground in 2-5minutes. In other words, strategic position is really REALLY vulnerable.
People need to start fighting back while the expansion in still in development and not let the developers get this abomination through, or we'll see an even bigger sub drop BEFORE WoD comes out.
timabuf
Lets be fair tho, Lore is just the messenger. =P
"like city of gilneas?" THIS X1000 please don't repeat this blizzard, that's such a neat area that is literally useless and might as well be removed, because it has no practical purpose and nobody ever goes there, despite it being extensively (wasted) detailed.
I think devs at Blizzard should ask themselves this question: "Are we making a game for ourselves whos actually rarely play, or for those who actually play the game and keep our stomach fed?"
First off you are all getting angry over nothing really. The cities are still there, they will still have all the came content in them. There is only one major difference, it will not be the main hub spot for each faction. The allies will still be able to go to Kalabore and free it/defend it. Same goes for the horde as well with their spot. I look at it this way, I really was not looking forward to spending god knows how many weeks or days in building of the area just to have it finally be an open accessed city for my character. Nothing sounds like more of a pain in the ass to have to unlock each week or what not new stuff for the city like bank vendors, or auction house, transmog shop etc etc etc. I do not mind having to go through and free parts of a city for another group though like the frostwolves or anyone else as long as when i get bored/done i can warp to my main city.
t ru
You apparently did not read when I said that, once you are done with content inthere, what is the point of returning if there is no additional content to keep you inthere?
Also, what are you talking about "weeks in there to have it open"? You don't take weeks or even days to liberate Bladespire\Karabor, you just need to finish the initial garrison quest and when you go to the city to liberate them, that is IT, it is unlocked.
With Ashran however it^ll probably take until max lvl for it to unlock, so you are in for something far worse.
When the wandering isles, emerald nightmare, and kul'tiras & zandalar have been added. Good job m8
4:00 - It was actually planned and announced for Wrath of the Lich King first.
THE FUCK!!! THE capital cities ARE GETTING SCRAPED!!!
It is sad. I was really looking forward to it. But the back lash on the WoW forum within a week have almost beat what the no flying back lash has been doing for months. As well as there is a topic on MMO champion that is around 510 pages of back lash.
well then im cheking that out, thx
Julian Jesse Mare Yeah. But sadly it seems like Blizz is just ignoring the people. So they can force people into PvP.
flameknightdragon It's so long since i played Wow o-o , i dont know 3 quarters of this stuff >,
***** What was the last expansion you played? Since I could try to help get you the info you missed.
Quite possibly worst decision Blizz could make, both factions want to have an awesome liberated city, being an ally I was/am pumped to see Karabor, but if they are planning to make us have our safe points in some tents outside of Ashran... are you mad Blizz?
Blizzard: "We feel that players want a smaller capital and world pvp so we are placing the capitals into our pvp zone, ashran"
Devon Brown Translation: "We want to satiate the PvPers because they're dumbasses who wish the game was geared only to them and wont shut the fuck up so we have rehashed some old bollocks that makes the expac less authentic and interesting."
Bushflare Devon Brown Try reading the blue post. They said this wasn't done for pvp reasons. The capitals are on Ashran but they're not in the pvp zone of it. This doesn't force world pvp at all; at best it just makes you closer to where it will be in the event that you want to participate. They said it was done for lore reasons.
jampk24 I can't imagine those lore reasons are terribly compelling and since about 80% of the playerbase doesn't PvP I can't imagine this is going to make them want to. The reason they don't PvP is because PvP in WoW is fundamentally broken on many levels and they don't want to have to navigate that whilst being pounded on by people with much better gear than them who already know how to navigate the PvP minefield.
This is just going to make people resent PvP even more because we're losing part of the identity of the expansion.
To be honest, I don't really buy the lore reasoning either but it also doesn't feel like it's going to make anyone more likely to go into Ashran for pvp. I really don't get this move at all. Poor decision and even more poorly handled.
"We have another topic from Leakingtit"
Watching this in 2021 and getting chills seeing the map at 5:00. Tomb of Sargeras, Suramar, Zuldazar, Nazjatar...
Inevitable naga x pack has ogres for horde and naga for alliance? Thoughts?
naga would never ever ever ever betray queen azshara, as long as she is alive they will not join the alliance. and also i think the night elves would be pretty pissed off if the naga join their side.
Naga would be more likely to ally into the horde through the blood elves
Just a thought on a race that could be alliance if horde got ogres :p
Mardok Laing High Elves.
JuiceBoxTime What would make High Elves different? they are just Blood Elves with blue eyes
5:50 what does he mean by "nogger expansion"?
Naga*
its actually nigga expansion
sounds like New Zealand or Australia
naga that's what he said
+Derrick Jee he's Australian.
The devs could care less if you voiced your opinion, the only thing these people understand is when their wallets are hit. People should always cancel their subscription for a full month when big features like this are removed, you can voice your opinion all you want, if you're still giving them your money, they will just continue.
Finally someone with a brain. :)
you have a valid point. if half the wow subs would say: we are cancelling our subscriptions untill you add our feature" it would probably work
Too bad more people agree with the OP than with you two braindead fucktards
Protesting by cancelling for a month isn't going to change their minds on your shitty opinion. They know the chances of a person returning within a month or two after they've cancelled is extremely high, so they're not going to do much of anything influenced by fan suggestion.
couldn't care less *
The final expansion will not be versus Sargeras, but rather versus the Old Gods. The vision prophet Velen saw, was pretty much describing an old god. Darkness was never the term they used to adress the burning legion.
It makes me extremely happy that in almost all your videos you use the best BG song in all of wow, the song that plays from Wintergrasp.
The dance studio and air combat that is printed on my WotLK box, pissed me off when it wasnt in the game.
I am surprised no one sued them for false advertising.
Timothy Harbeck
Me too.
weeeeeeeeeeeelllll lets do it
IKR I wish Aerial combat was made
No mention of the Karazhan Crypts? :(
To this day, I'm *still* sore about that content not being implemented. And I don't even play the game anymore!
"Making an entire expansion of green fields and forests is a bad idea" Then they release Mists of Pandaria.... Blizzard logic
No Karabor as capital? No Bladespire? EVERYONE! TO THE FORUMS!
You seem absolutely obsessed with "the dark below". I like it because in every video you link something to the "underwater expansion", lol
Since it's been 2 years since this video, for those curious if anything in it has been updated:
The Emerald Dream appears in Legion, however, it's a raid, in the form of the Emerald Nightmare.
We get an answer to Neptulon and Ozumat in Legion. Neptulon appears in the Shaman class hall... and he's tamed Ozumat as his pet. Seems Azshara's pet wasn't as strong at Mind Control as she thought.
Would Ogres get two headslots? OP as fuck, but would be cool as shit.
I feel like they should be soooooooooo godamn slow and there mounts can't go as fast
My ogre would be named BigBubbuh
I would name one yourmom
Snoop Table I hope you're not talking about me, because I certainly did not. I do however agree that my comment was incredibly lame and I feel bad for the guy liking it.
Brandon Page I like this idea, maybe half the stats for the second helm, or make the second helm strictly cosmetic.
Blizzard never stated that they are removing Karabor and Bladespire. . .
They just won't be your main hub.
You can still go there and make it the hangout (much like the Shrines are) .
I'm not trying to enrage anyone with this post, just trying to clarify.
Their wouldn't be any point to stay there. The Shrines in Pandaria actually had portals, venders and stuff, meaning they were the main hub. However, they have no plans to implement this luxury into Bladespire / Karabor. The only people that will be there are Role Players, or levelers.
Kenziex123 I like that. I think stormwind and orgrimmar should always be a place you return to, they feel like home. Its just awful to have a new town every single expansion. Especially since the Mop one was so boring
***** Regardless of what new cities show up in the future, I'm sure Stormwind and Orgrimmar will still be considered home, and there will always be plenty of people in those cities. However, every new continent needs a hub. It wouldn't make sense to keep our bases of operation, on the opposite side of the Dark Portal when we are trying to defeat the Iron Horde.. We really need a main hub, preferably ON Draenor instead of off the coast.
Most people will get to lvl 100 and go back to SW or Orgrimmar. It has pretty much this way since Wow began, and I don't see it changing.
ben woods People don't go back to SW and Orgrimmar.. the majority stay in shrine because it's more convenient. Now that the expansion is pretty much over, NOW SW and Org are populated. But during progression, Shrine was definitely the main city
I'm totally behind Ogre characters for Horde. After the goblins, pandas, and Blood elves. We need a REAL horde race.
Shut up garrosh
pandas were cool, blood elfs were cool at breaking up the rest of the horde races too.
You racist
REAL HORDE CHARACTERS! AUTISM AND FIRE!!!! LUK'TAR!!
R'Kdairos Zo'dhyac Half the horde population on my server is female blood elfs, they need to go.
I find it funny how everyone here is bitching about removing the big cities as the main hubs. Everyone I know just sits in their garrison since they can literally get access to anything they need from there.
PersonaX
I can understand some grief .If anyone was into the Blizzard lore they would hope for some kinda city something to say welcome to your new home till you get the next expansion then this place will be a ghost town.
1:36 what about the other 6 races on there? ID LOVE to be either naga or high elf or forest troll especially forest troll, since I dont find normal trolls visually appealing enough. and the others whose names i cant make out. are those races ever going to be released?
Can we get a list of your top 10 (or more) favorite mysteries within wow like where are the shards of Frostmourne? Etc.
Sounds like a fun idea, man - post it on the subreddit :-)
Tyranidus Artifact weapons for Frost Death Knights in Legion. Check it out here: www.wowhead.com/news=248628/legion-artifacts-what-we-know
+Tyranidus Dolan you know Argus won'y happen with the leigon expansion right
replying because of the fact argus is now confirmed to be in legion xD
Whats the background music in this video? PLS
i found it, Wintergrasp's theme
You should do Top 10 best WoW Content almost scrapped
5:02 Wait. A rumored expansion after Legion is an argus, Kil'jaden expansion. Unless Kil'Jaden is the last boss of Legion (Or second to last) Which is rumored because whenever a vry'kul dies somewhere around The Halls of Valor dungeon they say "Kil'jaden will get you" or something like that. He even appeared in many class order hall campaigns. There might be a small speculation about the expansion after Legion is the Argus expansion and that will be the last with Kil'Jadan. OR Legion could be the last expansion with Kil'jaden being the last or second to last boss. This is interesting. Please correct anything of mine that is wrong or what else you think.
at 3:31 there is a screen shot of races and factions, EXPLAIN! i see ogres, high elves(which i thought were blood evles), Dragonid, Naga, the walrus ppl, but what are the two on both horde and ally up on from the bottom and where did you get this screen shot?
PersonaX i hhear the words private server all the time bu twhat exactly ois a private server
Interesting. I like the idea of a Emerald Dream Expansion and a South Sea expansion. They can add more diversity. The Emerald Dream could be so awesome. I love elvin forest zones. The developers can make it more interesting by emphasizing the Emerald Nightmare. There can be a spooky forest with scary monsters. There can be a mix of spooky zones and pretty zones. There are forests of different colors. Maybe there are some grasslands and wastelands mixed in. It could be awesome and scary
I truly miss this version of Danger Dolan
Me too.
Anyone else chuckle at "Leakingtit?"
3:31 Hey, where'd that picture come from? I doubt it's an actual leak, so what is it? O.o
3:31 The idea of having three factions instead of two would be awesome for Blizzard to include. to be fair, they could've had a third faction since Cataclysm. The third faction would include the Worgens, Goblins, Ogres and Pandarians and another race if they made one.
No capital city in wod?! Im dissapointed Blizzard..
There will be a city, but it will be the size of shrine. Karabor and Bladespire will exist, but they won't be the AH portal hub.
Amarís Blackscale meh
Amarís Blackscale
Translation: There will be a city, but it will look like crap. Karabor and Bladespire will exist, but they will be ghost towns once you hit level 100.
Amarís Blackscale corection, itll be the size of the fort you see in twilight highlands
***** :(:(:(:(:(
Abyssal Maw...RIP.
I loved Vashj'ir's water theme and I loved the assets and the atmosphere. Blizzard really fucked up Cata on so many levels, it's hilarious. (The first raid tier was okay, everything afterwards was just lackluster.)
Thats it for this countdown, HAVAGUDONE
Wow... crazy to look back on this from current 2022. Miss you Dolan.
crazy pretty much everything from the south seas eventually ended up coming true and now with battle for azeroth we will be getting zandalar
What about High Elves? They were considered for the Alliance race in Burning Crusade and to this day are one of the most demanded races. Personally, I've been fan of them since Warcraft II and have been hoping for them to enter the game since beta. Dalaran would be the perfect capitol for us since Jaina kicked the Horde trash out and lore wise they have a huge potential for amazing stories.
Personally I'd love to have them with new voices and an improved vivid blue glow for their eyes, as well as slightly different racials. High Elves are the same as Blood Elves in many ways, but they are the older more experienced Elves of the two and are more disciplined, so their primary racial power would be different. I suggest something similar to Dwarven Stone form except magic and curse effects would have their defuffs reversed into buffs, instead of a 10% damage reduction from all sources.
PS: The male High Elf voice should be played by Brian Drummond and the female should be Janyse Jaud.
There are even fewer Forsaken, Trolls and Gnomes, yet they made the cut. The population argument they gave is incorrect and never flew in the first place.
The only reason High Elves aren't playable is because Blizzard wanted to give the Horde an attractive race, nothing more, nothing less. Not because it made sense lore wise. Not because the Alliance wouldn't welcome them....They did it to balance populations.
Lol, so your logic is that me being right makes me selfish? Who am I taking away from exactly? Was Blizzard being selfish when they made us share Pandas?
High Elves have been in demand for ten years now, far more than Pandas. So why not help those fans out? I'm only one of thousands who came to know High Elves in Warcraft 2 and 3 as an Alliance race. Doesn't our vote count? The funny part is that most hardcore Horde fans don't even like them!
Justin Wallace W8 a sec, am i insane or are bloodelves not high elves. Because the high elves their sunwell exploded and the survivors called themselves blood elves.
Thats like giving the Horde Eredar as a new race. Which would pretty much be the Draenei model.
How is that any fun?
***** No they're not. Darkspear Trolls are the Horde race we all know and they were a small splinter faction who were nearly wiped out by Murlocs before joining. Thrall saved them and befriended their leader, which is why they became founding members of the new Horde. There were so few of them in fact that even a small place like the Echo Isles served as their home. Originally their ancestors were from Stranglethorn Vale, but they separated from them a long time ago.
Bottom line, the population argument against High Elves doesn't wash. Even if Blizz never gives them their due, I'll still hope that High Elves will be a playable Alliance race at some point.
WHAT? NO CAPITAL CITY IN WOD????? Bad, Blizzard, Bad
Supposedly we are to get small island capitals in ashran. Supposedly the size of the shrines in pandaria but sadly the appearance of 5.1
www.wowhead.com/news=241432/ashran-images-including-horde-and-alliance-bases
Blizz just love the horde
luboslav litov dude ure high blizz loves allie
relevent114 I think blizz is high on all that money lol
Nah blizz loves the Horde. Alli doesn't have a pleasure pallace. xD
I've chosen to pretend all lore after lich kings death doesnt exist.
***** for fuck sakes when will people stop with this "OMGZ WRATH WAS THE BEST" bullshit nostalgia thing? Yes wrath was good lore wise, and it had good zones, but there was also some aspects to it that were terrible, for one the massive gap between raiders and non, the gigantic talent trees and huge battery of abilities that made people just face roll their keyboard to win, the PVP was terrible, I can go on.
The game changes, new adventures were out there, stop ruining the game for newer players by scaring them away because you want it to be like wrath of BC.
Patrick Strong uhm, he is referring to the lore....
Patrick Strong The gap between raiders and non raiders wasn't really big at all. I remember a lot of non raiders doing the weekly Raid Boss quest and then doing at least 2 or 3 more bosses in the Raid(ICC included).
Patrick Strong Dude he said LORE.
YUhave2Bawsome I understand that. But I was elaborating on how people always freak out with how GREAT Wrath was, the lore was riding off the backs of a giant from WC3, of course it was going to be the best lore wise, because that's what drew people deeper into the story.
Was that model server at 3:37? I'm thinking heroeswow, Either that or it is photo shop
how did you get that screen, Dolan?
Photoshop
its a private server I think
What is that at 3:36 ? It looks like even more races and stuff, could someone explain what that is?
We are now into v7.1 and looking back... this is really funny...
Announcing features at Blizzcon just to scrap them later. Nice job Blizzard. I feel like Blizzcon is the place of all places where things should be set in stone. Happens once a year, have people travel from all over the country, yet they announce features that aren't even remotely implemented. They might as well just be spit-balling ideas in a regular Monday morning meeting in their fucking offices.
Really want arrakoa playable.
I think that would be great! In the starting zone, you could start as a fully fledged arrakoa, going around, being utterly badass. Eventually, you are cast off from your home onto the surface for whatever reason and you become one of the cursed/grounded Arrakoa. You could have a temporary transformation back into your original form as a racial flying mount, and the race could really embrace the shadow priest spec, as that is what a lot of them do. We already have the new updated WoD models from the Spires of Arak, and they already have a ton of Lore.
Come on Blizzard, make it happen!
James Wadland That would be amazing actually! But the only real problem i see is how armor works, might need a rework or something. But I think that the temporary flying mount could work like the goblin car on Kezan.
***** True. The armour would need a bit of a tweak, and it would be a large effort to get armour sets out other than the regular purple and yellow robe, but they've done a great job with the armour models that are currently out, so its nothing they cant achieve.
James Wadland Yeah, but i really hoped with WoD they would bring them in, unless they do another outland/draenor expansion or a revamp expansion there is really little chance they will be playable.
***** It is a shame that Blizzard missed out the chance to include the Arrakoa, even if it would be hard to come up with a reason that they would join the Alliance/Horde/Both. But, Chriz Metzen did make up a reason that Pandaren joined the ranks of the Alliance or Horde, why not Arrakoa? Like you said, it would depend on if they do another outland/draenor expansion. Perhaps they could help us take down the Leigon on Argus? Draenor is their world as much as the orc's, ogre's or Draenei's and probably dont want it to happen again.
At 3:37 when you show the Ogre on the Race menu, what are the other races shown on the side bar that arent available in the game? I see multiple but cant make them out.
+Bach Wiechman That shot isn't from a Blizzard source. You can find it on the DeviantArt account of TheWabbajackX. The nonstandard races are Broken, High Elf, Naga, Dragonspawn, Tuskarr, Forest Troll, and Ogre.
The azjol-Nerub map reminded me somewhat of deepholm, did they maybe use bits from azjol-nerubs layout for the deepholm zone?
People really need to get over the capital cities thing. I'm sorry but it's honestly not a big deal.
To you, maybe.
It's a bad idea for a number of reasons:
1) It's out of the way. Ashran is an island off the coast of the continent.
2) Lag issues. Wintergrasp and Dalaran could sometimes get pretty laggy in Wrath on high pop servers. Now imagine if they were the same zone. It's going to be nightmarish to have the massive world PVP event going on 24/7 next to the cities where everyone has to go to do all of their banking, auctions, etc.
3) They just look dull. And they're going to continue looking dull even when they're finished. The two places people are going to be spending the majority of their time in Warlords are their faction city and their garrisons, both of which will use similar racial architecture that we've already seen for several expansions running. Meanwhile Bladespire and Karabor will become the new Silvermoon/Exodar: Beautiful cities that no one ever visits because they're inconvenient.
its because blizzard didn't give us a legitimate reason, and they already made it clear that it was going to be our quest, also they pretty much finished the cities so why they took the time to add the portals and such to a shanty town with walls, ill never know
i dont see how it makes sence to scrap them, it would be like removing orgimmar, stormwind and every other capital from azeroth. draenor is a whole differant planet and should have its own capitals
It's not scrapped, though. It's just moved. The cities still exist.
Also, it's nothing like removing Orgrimmar or Stormwind, because both of those were already IN the game.
lol emerend dream is in Legion now
Yes and no. its the corrupted version of the Emerald dream.
emerald*
it is also "naga expansion" to a point, as the tomb of sargeras is in it
Although there currently still missing the old god that turned the high elves into naga... So my guess is that we will see that as the next expansion. Or that it will become raid tier in this upcoming expansion although I dont see that happening as the entire old god issue can pretty much only be covered with an expansion.
Well, Blizzard also said that this wasn't all of the raids too. We may find that Old God after all.
''Leakingtit''
LOL
I absolutely love your guys' dedication to WoW, I've played it since late Vanilla, I haven't lost any love for it and so many of these ideas I do hope they bring back!
9. Emerald Nightmare here now!
6. Path of the Titans is basically the Artifact power
The one thing you should never do is listen to anything Metzen says. He is a liar and an excuse maker as well as being prone to double-standards and going back on his word. He's also a terrible writer. His reasoning for scrapping the Emerald Dream was just an excuse to make it look like everything Blizzard does is a conscious "good idea" on their part, when in reality they have to take time and resources into account, then coming up with a "good excuse" to justify it beyond just saying "because time and resources" which tends to upset players and make them think the developers and writers are corporate dogs. Blizzard is not the only company that does this.
TheEtoimos
Yeah he is. So-and-so has gone mad, so-and-so has become corrupted, so-and-so is crazy, so-and-so has been tainted by Old Gods, etc... this is every antagonist Metzen has written and it usually occurs out of nowhere. See Garrosh.
And then Grommash Hellscream commits various atrocities then gets off scot-free because he helped kill Archimonde. "I did'n du nuffin!"
TheEtoimos
You do not have to be corrupted or even villainous to be an "Antagonist". You simply need to be at odds with the main characters. Two factions fighting over the same thing, food and water, are each others Antagonists.
Lord Proteus Well think about what the purpose of the story writing is. If you fought another person simply because you don't like them, or one of you dies otherwise you wouldn't feel good as a player. The games intention is to make you believe you do the correct things and become a heroe without flaws. Those complex reasonings are not supposed to be the main aspect of a game meant to relax from real live problems. Well that's my opinion at least.
+TheEtoimos I don't know if Metzen is writing ALL the lore for Warcraft, but everything that I can directly trace back to him is pretty bad. He can't even keep track of his own lore ("Isn't Falstad dead?" "I didn't realize I had already used the name Eredar for something else!")
And Garrosh is probably the single worst-written character I've seen in any game in a long time. He goes from one thing to another (whiny bitch to honorable warrior; honorable warrior to raging hothead; raging hothead to dead) with the flip of a switch, no development whatsoever. No meaning or purpose except to keep squirming around, doing things to try to fix his own bad characterization but only making it worse. It's not that we don't understand the writers' reasoning. We understand just fine. We understand TOO well, that it's painful to watch what they tried, and failed, so hard doing.
TheEtoimos It's not about WHAT happened. It's about HOW it is presented to happen. Like I already said, changes to Garrosh happen with the flick of a light switch. No gradual development, no convincing build-up. Just poof: then he's this. Poof: then he's that.
"It happens in real life" is not an excuse for bad writing. To paraphrase Mark Twain, Fiction is obliged to stick to rules of believable possibility and presentation that Reality is not obliged to follow. Fiction is, necessarily, sensible; there's a point to be made by the whole deliberate exercise. It's not enough for Fiction to say that something happened; show me the point of telling me this happened. Reality doesn't always do that, but we can't force it otherwise. Fiction, however, has to, and we can make it do so.
Dolan why do you always sound like you're in a hurry. Where are going Dolan? Where are you going?
actually the emerald dream will be a raid. but its an emerald nightmare!
I’m watching this 6 years later and it is quite interesting.
I don't know if you've ever covered this, but what about the weird floating above the ceiling in the VC fight of old deadmines?
"So we have another topic from leakingtit" LMAO
Unfortunately, I doubt they will reverse this decision. Tom Chilton and the rest of the oblivious people at Blizzard seem steadfast in their desire for the main hubs to be built with PvP in mind. I can't think of a time Blizzard has ever caved in to community demands to reverse a big change.
At best, we'll simply receive some more quests in Karabor/Bladespire, as Blizzard will incorrectly interpret the protest as some sort of general love for these locations, and then they'll try to pimp out the Ashram forts with some additional art assets with accompanying screenshots to try to appease the masses.
And that is how you lose 2 more million people. Two thumbs up for blizz!
That is a good prediction, you are probably right.
Blizz seems steadfast all right. Steadfast in bouncing their sinking ship off of a few more icebergs, as long as it still keeps printing money.
Brendon Mize Brendon Mize rubbed his chin quizzically as he pondered over the many possible reasons for Blizzards actions. How could Blizzard do something like this? Could he even trust them anymore? "They did unban Swifty" he said aloud. "Gosh, how long ago was that now?" Wookiedestroyer then chimed in, "3 years or so now mate!" He then added, "If you want my opinion, I think they should of kept him banned!" Then he stood up, now fully looking in Brendon Mize's direction, with an almost triumphant look on his face. Brendon gave Wookie and impatient look and shook his head slightly. He knew that Wookie, for as good a friend that he was, had an annoying tendency to play devils advocate. Something Brendon had no patience for. "I am not even going to waste my time replying to that Wookie" he stated flatly. "You know how much Swifty means to me... he is a hero to us all" He then left the room, leaving a taken-a-back friend in his wake. "Mate, I was just messing with ya!" he shouted after him, "I like Swifty too... honest!"
*SCENE END*
I don't get why the crater didn't get in because the MoP BG's suck
what are the two alliance races under the worgen, the three neutral under the pandaren, and the two horde under the goblin?
It's nice to see that so much of this video is now in-game within Legion.
I miss the old Dolan. :,(
You go LeakingTit!
leakingtit
I think Blizzard must have watched this video before making Legion. The Emerald Dream, Path of the Titans being Artifacts, the single continent with Suramar etc. and finally capital cities. Blizz did announce there will be a capital city and class hubs. So good job :P.
LOL I was listening to this in the background, I just hear "Then we have some input from, leaking tit..." I closed the game I was on and was like wtf and laughed so hard xD
Everyone stays in there fucking camps. Not like anyone would be at the new cities.
dude, if I got to hang out in the black temple, chilling with Naaru and shit, I would barely ever touch my fucking garrison.
+Nozzivix Exactly, part of the reason people hung out at garrisons so much was because Ashran was absolutely trash and unappealing aesthetically. If they kept those cities, that problem isn't as big.
Jaime Ruiz I never played warlords but I would have liked to have seen more done with Karabor (and the horde city). Awesome to see in its glory but not much to do there.
you know what would really be a cool feature? remove the level cap, and make certain areas of the game open pvp (in other words you don't need permission to attack and kill other players) I love it when mmo's do things like this because I love being a bad guy, implementing this feature would allow me and my whole guild to become bandits or pirates and wreak havoc on weaker players, and steal their gear.
***** yes...that is always fun...for me
Ezra Lipman no i'm saying all mmo's should be the way I described
Ezra Lipman why? I think they're some pretty good ideas
Ezra Lipman who cares if all the games are more fun? right now mmo's all suck, because they're all nothing but grinding and raiding, at least my way it gives you the freedom to basically do whatever the fuck you want
clericofchaos1 then just go to winterspring or whatever, but the whole point of different games is that they are DIFFERENT
Why is DD so obsessed with a naga expansion? It's just such a bad idea... keep in mind how many people HATE Vashj'ir.. and a expansion where you're under water at all times? Pass..
Unless it actually happened above ground, with sunken landmasses rising from the water so we don't actually have to swim. That would be an easy fix. We see naga on land all the time.
Pedro H True, but always near water, and half of them are in water.
I love Vashj'ir.
Voffsing1 You should be ashamed of yourself xD
Oluf The Explorer why? i loved vash''jr to
LOL. The first piece of information in this video you contribute to LeakingTit. I died when I heard that. Just completely didn't expect it. The second coming of him didn't catch me off guard so much...but my did that first one.
missed the cosmetic bags/quivers/etc. that was supposed to replace the 4th slot that was missing when they took out relics/librams