Ejections 112-113 - Ron Kulpa Ejects Mike Shildt & Chad Fairchild Tosses Gensis Cabrera in Cincy
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- 1B Umpire Ron Kulpa ejected Cardinals manager Mike Shildt (untimely Replay Review request) and HP Umpire Chad Fairchild ejected pitcher Genesis Cabrera (ball four call) in Cincinnati. Report: www.closecalls...
Managers have 20 seconds from the end of a play and umpire's call to challenge/request a review. Kulpa ejected Shildt for arguing the crew chief's decision to deny the challenge request for being untimely by taking longer than 20 seconds to request a review. The original call - an out call at first base - would likely have been overturned had the review been permitted as replays indicate the runner was likely safe.
Cabrera's ejection was a ball/strike dispute on a 3-2 count. Fairchild ejected Cabrera for what's known as "actions intended to ridicule" in the MLB Umpire Manual, as Cabrera was walking from the pitcher's mound to the dugout after the walk.
Spoiler alert: If the roles were reversed, the ridiculous homer broadcast crew (who ironically do not seem to understand the rules in the 1st place), would have said "what can I tell you....the rules are the rules"
I think everyone involved thinks that 30s is still the rule
What is the purpose of the managers "wait" sign if they CAN (have the right) challenge within 20 seconds anyway?
The one thing I have learned from your channel more than anything else, is that most announcers don't know their asses from their elbows.
Most people don’t know their ass from their elbows, outside their limited area of expertise, namely the job they do daily.
I like the idea of adding a replay umpire in the booth and doing away with the challenge. That is how it is in College Football and it works pretty well. Now where the defense may have an advantage in that world is the team could use a mound visit to give the replay umpire more time to look at the play (as we see in College Football when a team calls a timeout) or decide to do a quick play such as a pickoff attempt to reduce the amount of time the replay umpire has to look at a play (as we see when the offense rushes to the line to get a play off).
They could also do like how the NHL officiates the games.
But knowing MLB,they’ll cry poor due to Covid.
30 seconds is the vare minimum. 20 is fucking absurd
MLB should start finning announcers who make up stuff or completely forget what happened 5 seconds ago. Because most people don’t actually know the rules and then they just hear the announcers saying something which is almost always wrong and they just say it to not make there team look as bad. While the umpires who are usually right, now look like they don’t know what there doing.
Here's the thing about Schildt's ejection... even if there had still been a 30 second clock, Schildt would have *still* exceeded it (granted, only by one second).
With that being said, 20 seconds isn’t long enough.
@@BIGDROC99 They think it is how long should they het twenty minutes.
@@BIGDROC99 Should be less, review is to overturn the obvious calls, not to nit-pick every play. Teams should have someone reviewing the play the moment the call is made, then 20 seconds will seem like forever.
What exasperated the missed call on the pitch was the Reds pitchers getting calls 3" off the plate.
I'm a lifelong Cardinals fan. . .And Cabrera's act was embarrassing to say the least. I grew up watching perhaps the greatest Cardinal of them all, Stan "The Man" Musial. One of the amazing stats from his Hall of Fame career was. . .Stan NEVER got thrown out of a game. Now you know that in 22 years in the majors there had to be several times Stan could have gotten all upset about an ump's call. But with the kind of class that's sadly missing in many of today's millionaire players, Stan just walked back to the dugout and let it roll off his back. He knew he'd get another chance at the plate and he focused on looking forward to that. I'm not a big fan of the umps, but the playground childishness of more and more players is really turning me off. And as far as hitters go I really have seen enough of these guys taking a third strike and then making a face, moaning and groaning about the call. Look, if you have 2 strikes on ya and the pitch was close enough that the ump called it a strike, even if it was a little outside the zone, then with 2 strikes you need to either swing and do the best you can with it OR learn to foul pitches like that off. . .Stan used to do that all the time. Fouling off pitches you can't handle or don't like with 2 strikes on ya is a skill that seems all but forgotten these days. But as a Cardinals fan I really hated seeing Cabrera's little league act.
20 seconds is simply to short. No time to look back and take a decision.
Than whine to mlb
That’s the point. If it’s not obvious enough to see within 20 seconds then it shouldn’t be challenged (in the eyes of the MLB)
MLB could learn from the NHL. Best replay protocol of any sport imo
IMO I think that College Football has the best replay system they look at the play and within 45 seconds a decision is made and back to the game we go!
Soccer does a great job too with replay with having VAR something similar to what a 5th umpire might look like
How does hockey do it?
Hockey sucks.
except when Toronto says he was a millimetre offside
This narrator is a nitwit I idea is get the CALL RIGHT!
5th umpire in the booth is a stupid fucking idea.
Wow Gil you have been MOVING the last couple days
Lots of angry, emotional coaches and players getting ejected lately.
And if you think 20 seconds is a short time, in the National Rugby League in Australia, captains have only 10 seconds to challenge calls, and they don’t get the benefit of their own replay staffs to help decide when to challenge. They have to make the best decision they can, and they only get one unsuccessful challenge per match. They also don’t get the benefit of asking the referee to initiate a challenge even if they’re out of challenges.
MLB teams have it comparably easier and still can’t make a decision in a timely manner.
Well put. Umpires get one look in real time and have to make a snap call. Teams seem to want five minutes to decide to challenge it. If you don't know after 20 seconds, then it's too close to challenge.
That is stupid! What if the local TV drags their butt with cuing up replays? Does each team have immediate access to the separate MLB Cameras? 20 seconds is ridiculous.
simple solution do away with instant replay in all sports. it takes away from the game more than a wrong call does, especially when with replay they still can't get it right.
@@FoxtasticGaming no it doesn't. Instant replay gets it wrong too. The human element is part of what makes sports what they are. If you want it right everything play it on a video game.
@@FoxtasticGaming the human element is what makes it a game. If you want every call to be correct play it on a video game. Technology is ruining sports.
@@FoxtasticGaming the game of baseball is beyond repair as is all sports because the human element is being removed. Instant replay sucks, and ruins the game. Robo umps will do the same. Even with all of the techno wizardry being used now they still aren't 100% and never can be. You want to speed any game up, just get rid of instant replay.
They need to focus on getting calls right, not sit here and say 20 seconds is up, if it is questionable, an automatic review should be called by New York
tell me do you get everything no you don't shut it
@@critter2 I dont but I assure you that if I had a replay system that could help me get it right so it is fair for everyone, I would embrace it with open arms. I don't have that luxury on a two person umpire crew.
@@Mattywill29 no yiu aren't being fair when yiure sitting here blaming umpire for time clock that's not in there control 🙄you are blaming umpire for judgment call
@@Mattywill29 save it
@@critter2 I am not blaming the umpire, I blame MLB for putting this 20 second rule in place that put an umpire in a terrible position for the sake of "speed" of a game. A correct call should be a priority over speed. Jusdgement calls aside because a swing is judgement, transfer from glove to hand is a judgement call. But who or what got to the base first or did someone come off the base, base path calls need to be called correctly for the integrity of the game. The umps have to uphold the rules but the umps are the fall guys for terrible MLB rules.
How is the umpire being held accountable. Being shown a sheet that you missed one? That isn't accountability. Fines, suspensions, loss of pay, those are holding to accountability not a sheet that says your human.
No one missed call should not lead to any of these, but don't call it the umpire being held accountable.
So should you be fine when you make mistakes a work
@@critter2 no, I want someone to point out my mistakes because I may not even see it but my mistakes can cost lives, so I need to know if there is a mistake because then we might not get to a fire in time or deploy the hose timely, unnecessary fire growth. So yes, my mistakes must be corrected 100%
@@critter2 we shouldn't be fine with making mistakes in the workplace. However, aside from mistakes related to saving lives or safety, the occasion workplace mistakes of the average person don't need to result in fines, loss of pay or suspension. The same goes for umpires. The problem with fans is they tend to view the collective amount of bad calls by umpires throughout the league as if it's one umpire consistently making bad calls. Individually, umpires are not consistently making bad calls, with the exception of someone like Angel Hernandez and maybe a couple of others.
In the interest of time we implemented a rule that is inherent to actually take more time because there wasn't enough time to decide to object to a call.... ok... good... got it... play ball when it's ok to....
@@Famijoly and I suppose you are an ump at a level dealing with this issue.... go to sleep, lil guy
@@zigwil153 easy to say that when it's the manager that prolonged the game, not the Umpires....
I will say if MLB really is being cheap to pay a 5th umpire for the review clocks, that’s a farce on the owners and commissioner. Yet players are getting $250 million dollar contracts. These guys are making $150-$250K base salary. 1% for a $10M a year player and under 10% for a veteran’s minimum salary. So if they owners don’t wanna pony up or Commissioner, then there really is no option. Just a bad look for the league if true.
Pitcher was already out of game going to showers. Why toss him? Just more paper work!!
Why don't they just give teams something like 60 seconds of challenge review time, total, for the game. If you wanna use 30 seconds reviewing a play in the 2nd inning, you've only got 30 seconds for the rest of the game. You wanna use 45? You've only got 15 left. Clock could be triggered by the dugout phone. Most games there's only 1 or 2 potentially reviewable calls anyway. I'd rather see correct calls than be able to go to bed 2 minutes earlier.
nate moore i'm your secret mother
i want mlb to hold these damn annoucers that claim and say this crap so off the mark is wrong puinshied or fine
everyone held accountable except the umpires. Bucknor behind the plate two games ago was absolutely terrible….and one sided. check the pitch chart!
Must be a reds fan. Lol.
I like the idea of a 5 umpire crew for 2 reasons, first, if one gets hurt and has to leave the game they can replace him on the spot, and they can call New York like they do now, and second, he can do the simple replays, sometimes it takes longer for them to connect to New York than it does to review the play, and if it needs more time than call New York
You can add a "fifth umpire": just do it like the NHL does with their games, a room full of screens up in NYC with the Home Plate ump (and the Crew Chief, if serving as a base ump) having radio links to NYC.
And of course, we all know how well that works.......
Wtf? How do you eject a pitcher that has already been taken out of the ball game? He should change his name to Brad Immaturechild.
The difference is, out of the game, they can sit in the dugout, being kicked out, they have to go to the clubhouse
If you watched the game/series you WOULD KNOWN/UNDERSTOOD why shildt was mad…the ump’s had no less than 4 calls overturned in this series…2 in this game and should of been 3…let alone they were terrible the entire series
HERE we go with arm rest umpires
@@critter2 4 overturned calls? Arm chair ump? No brother, not at all…you couldn’t pay me enough to do their job, that’s why I hope in the NEAR FUTURE we have automated strike zone and automated base calls…no more HUMAN error!
Dan Goodin Man, are you going to advocate for no human errors at the plate next?
@@rickhaavisto9023 automated everything bro! All I want is a FAIR playing field and FAIR/NEUTRAL called game…why is that so hard to ask for?
Dan Goodin Because it is not possible at the current technological level???
Stop 🛑 defending umpires!!!!!
Stop being horrible fan
I've had enough of the TV announcer sarcasm. I'd like to see them behind the plate sometime. And that strike zone box overlay makes it worse; it's in accurate. Get rid of it.
@@cc99556 you do realize that THIS IS THE CARDINALS BROADCAST right?
@@cc99556 I’ve had enough of players and coaches throwing tantrums all the time .acting like 12 year olds about a missed or correct call,yet they miss the ball 75% of the time themselves or strikeout like crazy. They swing at pitches 12 inches of the plate,yet they cry a about pitches 1 inch of the plate .
Replay has made all umpires and referees worse……
In 40+ years watching baseball, I can't remember umpiring being as bad as it is this year, especially balls & strikes.
40 years ago you didn't get to see slow motion replays from 4 different angles.
20 seconds doesn't seem like much time. Let's have 30 seconds for challenges and add 1 more umpire crew so 8 umpires are on Replay at a time. They can eat handle 2 games and 1 can "supervise"
Sorry man, but your analysis is completely wrong. First, going off the away announcers analysis is irresponsible since they are, in fact, sitting in a booth in STL watching the game on TV and lack the complete situational awareness that they would otherwise have watching the game in person. You should have chose a more accurate method when using your kangaroo clock. Secondly, read the rule again. It’s only 20 seconds when the call is made as the final out of an inning or to end the game.
So, if I am following the explanation of the :20 rule, just challenge EVERY call as soon as it is made and make the umps review everything.
For regular season games, each team only gets one incorrect challenge, then they're not allowed to challenge any more.
Bad Pitch framing will make a strike look like a ball
Only if you're basing the call on how the pitch was caught, not whether or not it crossed the plate.
Yankees it happened to
Is the twenty second shot clock actually displayed at the park?
It is at Cincinnati. From my seats behind the visiting dugout, you can clearly see it just above the left centerfield fence and they run it after EVERY play.
@@ericsparks4288 the countdown clock is also displayed in Seattle as well
Yes
Those umpires were terrible all weekend! Just more ammunition to show how the umpires are conspiring with the league to fix games. The Reds franchise is failing and attendance if just above the Pirates low levels. The league wants them in the playoffs if not the WS winner
Card announcers are a joke. They should smarten up before they tell the viewers what they think the rules are. The rule is clear: Team has 20 seconds to challenge or not.
The rule is not 21 or 25 or 30 seconds. 20 seconds and that's it. If the team cannot decide by 20 seconds play has to keep going.
Very ignorant and typical of Cards announcers to whine, complain and make false claims.
First, 20 seconds is ridiculous. Who on earth would think that’s reasonable? Second, the umpire squeezed the plate on the ball call and incited the entire ejection of the pitcher. Maddening.
It's simple for players to not get ejected, don't ridicule the umpire like that. MLB already tells the Umps when they get something wrong, the players don't need to, when they are often wrong themselves...
Pace of play. You can't allow them to wait forever
But then you eject them allow them to yell for 3 minutes before leaving the field. So ultimately no time is saved
Ump on a power trip tossing Cabrera after hes already been taken out. What a clown.
Actually, it was Cabrera who acted like a clown, or a six year old, take your pick.
Pro players acting out like toddlers.
Thats the problem.
Challenges suck! Whatever happened to in your face, kick dirt on the umpires, hat throwing arguments Billy Martin, Earl Weaver, Lou Piniella style?
goal should be to get the play right in the first place. play was not bang bang. third call umps got wrong in that one game.
The funny thing is it took more time to decide if the replay review was allowed, than it would've taken to review the call and change it to the correct one. I guess my point is why not do what the NFL does now and NCAA football and have a booth initiated challenge? MLB can't afford to hire an extra umpire for each crew to do a replay review? If we want to get the calls right, why not do it this way? What Gil says is 100 percent correct. The entire purpose of replay was to get every call possible called correctly and now it's not happening.
Lol don’t hire an Ump to do it they’ll still get it wrong
no its telling me there no time left to challange they either need to decide or cry to mlb umpires are just enforcing the damn rule. this isn't the nfl stop comparing them this isn't ncaa and college ncaa baseball and softball are diffren than mlb
@@critter2 then screw it. Get rid of replay. The purpose is to get a call right. From your reasoning, it's just stupidity to have.
@@jamiethornton6101 And 20 seconds is enough time to watch 1 angle of the video.
@@63076topher They took a lot more than 20 seconds to decide not to even take a look at the replay. I think you missed the point.
“Held accountable” no no no. You don’t get to just throw that out there . Tell us , how are the umps held accountable ?
Pretty simple dude, performance reviews that have an affect on their salary and any potential future pay raises, as well as potential ASG and Playoff jobs.
Shildt/ Cards replay team took to much time so he has nothing to complain about. Cabrera should be suspended a game or two but won't be because he's a Cardinal. If that was a Reds pitcher they would hand out a 5 game suspension for hurting the umps feelings to much. It's just how MLB is this year.
I'm not a fan of "challenges", especially in games with dead ball situations after plays (I can understand it in NFL where clock matters and they do booth reviews in certain times). Either get the call right with reviews or don't do reviews at all. Pick a set of calls that get reviewed automatically in tight situations and then review them when anyone thinks it's a close enough call to check (one of the umpires, either coach or the players). Correct calls are more important than "pace of play".
It’s kind of funny how the clock is supposed to speed up the game but then the amount of time Schildt spent arguing slowed everything down again. I like your idea of having a 5th umpire in the booth. Also I can’t believe Cabrera stuck his tongue out at the umpire haha took me back to the playground in grade one. Also reminds me a bit of Joe Kelly last year. I wonder if we’ll see some memes come from this ejection.
Terrible review for the 5 umpire in the booth....
needs to be upped as well they need a league eye in sky to over rule, baseball looking bad lately when they want "to get things right"
simple solution do away with instant replay in all sports. it takes away from the game more than a wrong call does, especially when with replay they still can't get it right.
Just wish that the Announcers would get a copy of the rules and that MLB would let the umpires reveal what the scenario is!
Are teams allowed to bring their own replay equipment or do they have to use the home team supplied equipment? Are they allowed to record from any view point so as to have quick access to them? Or do they only get the Same looks we get on TV?
MLB has a unified camera system at each park that both teams get access to the feeds, and the league then uses those for review.
How are umps "held accountable?"
They're not.
By managers filing a review in a timely manner.
@@Ricky-ql6ib not getting a bonus is not the same thing as getting a penalty.
@@Briansgate if you want fines for every single missed call, good luck finding any umpires.
should've challenged earlier, he was safe by a lot. Edit: Are you also gonna do Chris Woodward and Brock Holt.
Later in the broadcast the Dan McLaughlin mentioned that the coaches have commented that it takes longer for the away teams to get the video feed on a replay.
Not sure if it's true, but the broadcast had barely finished 1 view by the time the 20 seconds was up
@@NateNoMoore yay
If the catcher didn't frame the pitch, it would have probably been called a strike.
Exactly..... I wish the catchers would quit framing pitches!!!
Oh I know. Let me catching it going out of the zone then bring it up 12 inches. That’ll get the umpire on my side.
@@Downsouthroots "framing" used to be something different. I wouldn't call this "framing" anymore. More like a very sloppy attempt at sleight-of-hand.