People keep saying New3DS does eye tracking. If you use it's stable 3D test mode and see it also work in dark, it is very clear the tech is not eye tracking but head tracking, which works thanks to smart assumptions with the front camera and IR light doing very simple tracking of the user
Who are these people? The comment is more of an Fyi for those that didn't know already... It was always advertised as head tracking and also in press release...
It does track eyes in position to the head, but yeah is really barebones, take it mind it consumes little which is necessary for the 3ds also tiny battery and size.
You can get the same effect if you close one eye and focus the open eye on any picture or movie with the open one focusing on the background and foreground after 1 minute of doing this, your brain will literally turn it into 3D.
I got my PhD doing protein X-ray crystallography: basically determining how to build a 3D model of a protein that will fit experimental data. I often used 3D glasses when modeling, as it helped a TON with spatial reasoning. This display would be a killer app for that. I can easily see a protein science lab buying one or more of these.
3d games do look great though bro. If you have never gamed in 3d, I would definitely give it a shot. You can also do this with VR but you have to have a giant headset on.
@@DemsW Personally I couldn't care less about 3D even if it just worked without glasses, it's a minimal difference and it's distracting more than anything and leads to producers using it for lame gimmick scenes of things being pushed into your face on purpose
At that time they were probably really dependent on nvidia's funding. Easier to play ball and keep the money rolling man. And keep putting out more content.
Nvidia 3D vision was a blessing. It saved my eyes from degrading into focus lock. Twice. I really dont get why thay ended it. It worked extremely well. Some games here and there had issues with particle effects but for the most part. I used it any chance i got. It was convenient. Shareable experience with 2 glasses. Stupid simple and low power mature tech. Bring it back please. My 4090 is itching to provide some stereoscopic glory with all pixels intact.
I did. With a HP G2. The displays are very good but tracking is meh compared to the CV1. VR has always felt like a choire. Its almost never plug and play compared to nvidia 3d vision. But the usecase is also completely different. VR is best at fullbody thing as the image quality is not close to what Nvidia 3D vision offers. And then theres the ease of use, ability to be aware of sorroundings, low space requirements etc. Long story short. I do like VR but real life constraints killed it for me. Maybe blame the price of housing nowadays. Eventho i had both. I did allways prefere to watch movies with Nvidia 3D vision. VR will allways lack in quality in that department.
Simple, Nvidia makes quality products that work Period ! Not products that work in most applications but have issues in others, if they can't resolve most know issues across the board or at least feel assured the any bugs are simply that, bugs to be resolved, they won't launch a bad product.
@@cainzjussYT A damn shame your reverb G2 is about to be bricked by microsoft dropping support for window mixed reality. Probably sell that quick if you still can, or hold onto it as a piece of history in hopes a work around can be found in the future. Inside out Tracking is ok on quest 3. It's not really strictly necessary, but you can also use the self tracked quest pro controllers which help defy controller occulsion issues. Or psvr2 + pc adapter. Otherwise there are newer higher resolution headsets like pimax crystal +faceplate / big screen beyond which use base station tracking, which works well. It's a shame Nvidia 3d vision is gone too. I still have 2 3d TV's and some 3d capable projectors. So I am with you on that. I just don't mind wearing the headsets so much. I would have thought pimax crystal light or the forthcoming super or megan X might give you that resolution bump you were looking for. But I feel you, because they are NOT cheap! And you would need a beast PC
Bruh i just want Nvidia 3D vision back. That shit just worked for most DirectX games I tried. And while it didn't pop out of the screen (the effect only added depth into the screen, kind of like looking out a window IRL), That's arguably a good thing since you'd never have that discomfort when the 3D effect is cut by the edge of the screen.
There were some advance settings where you could adjust the 3d positioning, its was kinda hidden, i think like Ctrl F6 and Ctrl F7 to adjust in and out, and they had to be turned on through a menu setting in the 3d vision menu somewhere.
@@bishopvick6373 There was also a scroll wheel on the back of the IR transmitter that you could use. Though the wheel on mine somehow failed and would scroll in random directions when you tried to use it.
The 3d vision community is still strong with some Modders keeping stereo 3d alive , we can still play many many games in 3d with a few caveats. I play on a projector screen and it is an insanely good experience.
IIRC the demo program had the most impressive 3D effect (not that it wasn't apparent in games), popping the (spinning?) logo out in front of the screen. Too bad about the game compatibility...
The Larger the Display... the further Objects can Pop out. This has been a big issue with 3D glasses... because most people were using small sized CRT monitors, and getting a very limited depth effect. It was still really cool... but it was nothing like an 3D movie, in a true Imax 3D Theatre. However... using a +32" display, and things can pop out... about 2.5ft to 3ft out of the screen. Even better, is a home theatre projector. I believe my buddy had made a 14ft wide sheet for his... and despite sitting about 14 ft away... the images seemed to come within arms reach, out of the screen... And that was only on a 720p projector. The movie looked and felt every bit as fantastic, as an actual Imax 3d experience... He popped in the movie "Predator" which was converted into stereoscopic 3d... and WOW. I was blown away. I actually felt like I was standing in the Jungle with the actors. I was spending more time being amazed at the life-like leaves on the trees... than actually watching the actors themselves. I wish I had seen that in the Imax 3d theatre too... but I never remember hearing any advertisement about it. It was literally one of the best 3D movie experiences Id ever had, hands down. Even better than Avatar 3D... because it was actually real, rather than slightly cartoonish CGI. Since displays are much cheaper for larger sizes... it should be trivial to make decent 3D Displays. The 3D tech, is also not a very costly addition, to add to a monitor. The masses of 3Ds systems, prove that. Of course... now with VR Glasses, there is less of a need for special 3D monitors. Still, the tech is still a valid, and desired option... for people whom want to watch films, and play games on a Monitor, rather than dealing with a full VR setup. Ohh, and I almost forgot... that one of the other things that messed up 3D glasses uptake... was that the initial LCD displays at that time period, was would only go up to 60 hz. That would leave you would only 30hz per eye. Add in, that they were often slightly slow in image updating, due to persistence issues (and fake motion frame inserts, if turned on)... and you could get ghosting on such displays, even if you could hack software to display 3D on them. Newer LCD technology, was quite expensive at the time when Nvidia rolled out their new overly expensive 3D glasses. So even if you could afford both the glasses, and the correct monitor... that monitor would likely still have been around 25 inches or less. Worse yet, was Nvidia's lack of solid support for stereoscopic 3d. Rather than accepting a slow and gradual user base expansion... they eventually stopped updating their drivers, and I believe discontinued the sales of the glasses (rather than reduce the cost of them, to a more reasonable price). For most Game Dev's... Adding Stereoscopic 3D, should be pretty Trivial... since most 3d games, already exist in a 3d world, with actual 3d depth. The only things they may have to tweak, are menu depths, and other "2d effect" depth conversions. Today... every new PC game "should" be VR compatible... to keep allowing the VR base to grow. Also, all movies should be converted into Stereo3d, with an affordable price... so that VR glasses owners, can watch their favorite classics, in 3D. Why they never converted "ALIENS" ,to 3D, is a Travesty, IMO.
@LinusTechTips the reason you are seing the weirdness on the reflection on the Lego game is because they use screen space reflection and for some reason forgot to make sure that when they render double One on the top of the other, they somehow forgot to make sure that the SSR would run correctlyon each render instead of centered LOL! that's why you can see the character reflection all the way on the top (because that's the bottom renderer)
From what he described, I think the Lego example is just a fake post-process 3d (using depth info to move things around for each eye) (resulting in ghosting and incorrect SSR) It'll have big visual issues unless it's actually rendered separately per eye, which makes it much more worse on performance to render each frame (since you're rendering _almost_ twice as much per frame), and requires more from the engine/developers to support in a performant manner
@@Cheesecannon25 It's real geometry 3D for that LEGO game (3D Ultra in TrueGame). Linus' complaint was about screen space reflections being kind of shitty, but they behave like that in the game in 2D too.
Literally needed a snippet from Mission Impossible in the Kremlin -- the hallway with the screen (presenting the hallway as empty) with the "drip" clicker. Preferably, the controller jumping from eye(s) to eye(s) when more guards show up.
Man, could you imagine a 4k qd oled screen with certified HDR support using this 3D tech? That would be insane. HDR, mitigated screen tearing thanks to sub-millisecond pixel response, and deep true black. Plouffe would have to upgrade yet again lol
@@MrKadjit 3d Vision generally works with most any true 120hz display, even projectors, no hacking required there. Where hacking is needed is unfortunately Nvidia dropped 3d Vision support from drivers quite some time ago, meaning that using a modern GPU takes some effort. Literally the only reason I don't use mine any more. I really REALLY miss being able to load up virtually any game and just play it in 3d if I wanted to.
Imagine pr0n on that. Good thing it doesn't really exist and it will be too expensive for the foreseeable future, otherwise I'd die dehydrated in my basement, lol.
My girlfriend and I were just playing LEGO Star Wars The Skywalker Saga last night, and I actually said to her "gosh this game would look so good if we could play it in 3D on our TV". I want 3D to come back without all the dumb mistakes from last round. Okay, time to watch past 1m49s into the video. :)
So... basically a 3DS Display in bigger and with higher resolution? I am fine with glasses free 3D. Even back when everyone hated them on the 3DS I was enjoying it quite a bit.
@@bossfire001 I also have my ambassador model from back then but I mostly use the New 3DS XL nowadays. As I grew older I find larger displays to be more pleasing ^^°
@@bossfire001 I really like the 3ds effect but it gives me pretty intense eye strain so I'd be concerned about a monitor like this but if they work that out it would probably be the best implementation of 3d for an individual
computer monitors are literally the one consumer product that 3D tech should actually be in. 99.5% of the time its only a single person looking at the screen, that person is directly in front of the screen 99.9% of the time. Monitors are close enough to peoples eyes for the effect to be noticeable. And computers do a ton of stuff that could benefit from having a 3D effect.
Whenever I bring out the 3DS there are some games that still blow me away with how well the 3D is implemented. I got mine in March or April of 2011, before Nintendo dropped the price. It was the first console I bought with my own money. I was 11 at the time I think.
I still have LG TV with 3D screen. Love to watch 3D movies from time to time. Especially since it works with passive 3d glasses and several of us can watch at the same time. Its pity they never made proper 4K OLED version. It would have been a blast. They basically use the same technique like when you go to cinema and watch movie in 3D. You can even use those glasses from cinema to watch on this TV. It would be awesome if there was some plugin or addon to convert games to be showed in 3d format (side by side) that this TV could handle.
I actually have a LG 4k OLED 3D TV, and it is by far the best 3d experience I've ever had. I work at a cinema so I've got infinite access to glasses too! I honestly think it's a better experience than the cinema, because sitting closer to a 55" TV fills more of your FOV and cinema projectors just can't achieve the OLED blacks while projecting to a white screen. Also the depth is so much more profound in a small room.
Samsung is also coming with a 3D monitor, and you can also play all 3DS games through Citra (incl the Mario 64 fan port). And Dolphin has 3D support for GC and Wii games
You know this is far more refined than I expected it to be and I love it. The monitor 3D seems to fit a nice space in between wanting VR then having to deal with setting up IPD for different users every time to intend to show off a project. But also for the ability to work or view the 3D of a project when it's needed but then turn off the projection when you don't to simple use a normal monitor. The ease of getting in and out of a 3D type of project far surpasses getting a VR headset up and going each time too. Also the ability to get out of 3D/VR without any disorientation for those that have a terrible time with VR for some reason is a nice bonus. Personally I would love to have this as a secondary work monitor.
As someone who absolutely loves 3D movies, I'd love one of these monitors. Or even better, a decent-sized TV with the same tech. Currently the best way to watch 3D blurays etc is VR headsets, but it's a pretty convoluted process if you want to watch directly off of the bluray and not rip the movie. This looks absolutely awesome.
@@krank23 if you make a remux they will play directly in 4xvr on quest. Some Blu-ray with loads of video files have issues with stuttering but most 3d Blu-ray are one or a few big files. Not ideal but I already remuxed all my blu-rays anyway. Lazy people could use "alternative methods" (if you look up "download 3d blu-rays" it should come up. They also use AI to make 3d conversions but I don't like most movie conversions. Anime and K-pop videos in converted 3d are kind of cool though)
You can get the same effect if you close one eye and focus the open eye on any picture or movie with the open one focusing on the background and foreground after 1 minute of doing this, your brain will literally turn it into 3D.
@@marcusdamberger aren't 3D supporting projectors using active glasses rather than passive? Glasses overall are worse than using a VR headset since they mean halving the framerate and a dimmer picture, and active glasses are the worst because of the flickering. My current TV uses active, and I pretty much never use it for 3D for that reason.
@@krank23 yes they use shutter glasses. They can run faster fps, I think 144Hz, so each eye gets 72Hz. Verses 120Hz LCD screen halved to 60Hz each eye on a typical active TV. LG OLED of course is whatever the panel refresh rate is using passive glasses. There is a company using the high refresh rates of the new OLED panels that support various game modes and using shutter glasses at those higher Hz, since the panels are so fast at switching, it seems to work. So you can support 3D TV on a TV that doesn't even have a 3D mode. Everyone dropped 3D support after 2016. Near as I know, none of the 2017 models from Samsung, Sony or LG support 3D.
I am amazed 3d monitors didn't catch on. 3D games, especially fpses and racers were amazing in 3d (Skyrim, F.E.A.R, Dirt for example looked amazing with Nvidea 3D vision) but not only for games but for building programs. Being able to place parts in Kerbal space Program in 3d was amazing and made building things easier, as you dnot need to constantly rotate the view around to check the placement on all axis. 3D would be amazing if it worked inside game engines to help with building world environments, again without the need to constantly swing the view around to check placement. If you done world building in Unity im sure you know how much of a pain this is, but if it was 3d?!
@@nando03012009 I think both have equal plusses in a market. VR for closed world separate gaming experience, 3D Monitor for immersive fun (and sometimes useful) desktop gaming.
This is wild! Actually tried to diy this myself for my vPinball machine build. Ended up giving up on lenticular and getting a passive 3d monitor with a kinect for head/eyetracking. It works decently, but the kinect loses tracking sometimes and has issues with low angles. Cool to see the professional version of the same thing here.
2:20 The 3DS actually had an 800x240 screen, and upscaled from 400x240 with 3D disabled. A homebrewer found a way to display at that 800x240 resolution with the 3D disabled, and it actually looks really good...
I always wondered why they always just wanted to make 3D come "out of the screen" That jarring effect is what you get! I don't know if it is possible, but why don't they just tune it to always just display depth behind the screen? Like you're looking through an actual window, so it makes sense that the object is occluded by the borders of the monitor instead of just causing eye fatigue because your brain can't understand what just happened?
It's not possible, while I'm not expert on th subject, I think the 3d effect is using the difference between your eye distance, layering 2 slightly offset image on top of each other, that means each eye is seeing it with angle and the focus ( focal) point is on the screen, think a triangle shape where the top tip is at the screen, and 2 other tips are your eyes, that's why 3d effect always seems "pop out". With proper technology, like lot thicker screen and maybe multiple layers of display, maybe it can be act like what you are describing, but with current display technology it's not possible
With Nvidia 3D vision back in the day, you could adjust the 3d settings in such a way as to move the 3d effect forward or backward, so it was possible to tune to your liking, In Skyrim for example i had my spell casting hands just in front of the screen. Was sooo cool
@@Simon-tr9hv Its clearly possible, as most movies (at least to my eyes) did depth rather than pop-out effects. Despicable Me did the pop out and immediately gives me a blinding headache. I believe its something to do with where the two simulated viewpoints are. by moving them closer together or wider it changes how your brain interprets the distance of objects, so likely also needs slight tweaking of the strength depending on how much of your field of view the display is covering. I have a LookingGlass Go holographic display and that also seems to be entirely depth, no popping out effect.
Ghe overlay of the 3D model outside the montior to show how large it is and how close it is was a great way to showcase how this looks to the person using the monitor, good job.
I love that you open the video giving credit where credit is due to Asus despite NVIDIA being silly about it, so you're still open and honest with your viewers while you cover the Acer tech. That's integrity right there.
I love 3D display tech. I want the passive glasses version to return, it's probably the best implementation IMO. Sure you have to wear glasses but multiple people can view it without needing to be stacked on top of one another. Maybe when manufacturers can get 8K displays at 40+ inches are decent prices it could be tried again.
I have a passive 3D LG, but I usually watch 3D stuff in my Quest3. The resolution is higher, there is no ghosting, and I can make the screen insanely large or small, curved or flat, depending on the game or my mood. Just tried Split/Sencond with VorpX it's insanely good. And it's MUCH cheaper than these stuff. And if I display the game/movie both on my 3D TV and in my Quest, two or even more people can watch it in 3D at the same time:)
having tried playing Tomb Raider on a similar display, the experience is stunning in person. The ability to just look around corners by moving your head, or accurately see how far away a mountain in the distance is, is just crazy cool.
Just get this tech on a 5k OLED or IPS Ultrawide panel and we are golden. I also don't want 3D to pop out of the screen, I want it to feel like a window and all the depth should exist within the panel.
3DS emulation and 3D game future never looked so bright. 3D may not work nearly half as well for my eyes as when I was a kid with a 3DS like a decade and a half ago but I still love it
This sounds like it's on the verge of being an ideal solution for the vpin (Virtual Pinball) hobby... if the 3D effect can work while in portrait mode. I'm guessing not? If it does work in portrait, if input lag isn't too bad, and if the pixel refresh rate can handle a fast pinball (perhaps an OLED version in the future?), then dedicated hobbyists wouldn't have any problem paying an extra couple of thousand for the 3D effect (people already spend upwards of $10K on their builds anyway, what's an extra grand or two?)
It wouldn't work as is. Instead of having alternate columns go to each eye, you'd have alternate rows, and the display would expect your eyes to be stacked atop one another. Someone would need to manufacture a display specifically with a vertical aspect ratio in mind to make it work right. But it's certainly a really cool sounding idea.
@@KyleDavis328I believe they may in fact have 3D displays for portrait, or close to it. I've seen a lot of 3D displays in casinos that are taller than they are wide on slot machines.
You just reminded me I got my BenQ XL2420T from 2011 with support for 3d nvidia vision 2, laying around in the storage room!!!! Gotta try some of those modern games out on 3D, the support is big in community. - FF7 Remake - Kenya Bridge of Spirits - SW Jedi Fallen Order - Resident Evil 2 and 3 Remake - Plaque Tale Requires - Titanfall 2 - Just Cause 2 - Borderlands 2 - Metro 2033 Redux - Witcher 3 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Batman Arkham series
I’ve been waiting for a 3D comeback. Anyone who doesn’t like 3D doesn’t know how immersive it is to play Arkham City as if you’re in the game. VR is 3D as well as a standard, so it’s only a matter of time. Microsoft’s AR is also something that I’ve been waiting for for years since they first showed it. *sigh*
My preference would probably still be for passive 3D, as those glasses are pretty light and affordable, and more than one person can view the screen. Also, as Linus pointed out, VR headsets or more basic VR glasses probably do a similar job for less. Still a cool proof of concept.
Passive 3D loses too much brightness. With this modern tech there is no reason they can't do 3D HDR which gives your eyes the best conditions for interpreting depth.
@@alexatkin That's a good point, but doesn't that bring us back to VR glasses or headsets, given how this 3D effect only works for one person at a time?
@@vahlte Holographic screens like the LookingGlass can do multiple people, but you also drop the resolution considerably to achieve it and they're expensive to produce. Its also not really practical given the concept there is to render many different angles so its perspective correct depending on what angle you are look at it. Its cool tech though.
@ 8:53 The issue is due to SSR (Screen Space Reflections) which can only draw what's on-screen as a reflection, so everything behind the player's character or arms is hidden/in-front
3:40 you generally won't get any additional crosstalk due to them being LCD displays vs OLED that would only happen if you were constantly moving your head across lenticular zones for every single frame. What you say really only applies to frame sequential like shutter glasses.
heres a funny possibility with moniter tech - with transparent displays existing and being pretty good, would stacking multiple, or even many of these displays be able to create 3D content by just using "real space" to create the depth? Sure, it would probably look like youre looking in to a box with stuff happening inside, while this "pops out", but maybe this would prevent people getting sick from it, or have other strengths compared to normal 3D. mights end up being useful in places instead of holograms instead of a normal display, more like a display cabinet you can do stuff with instead of watching a movie (but even then, make it big enough and it might be like props on a stage in a theater)
@@PortocaliusMaximus might do, but with each layer being able to add increasingly wider parts behind the original shape, I would be curious as to how much of a 3D effect it could achieve. Even most 3D printing is just many layers of 2D shapes, and you wouldnt say most of those creations look like cutouts
The amount of displays you would have to stack would add up immensely in hardware hunger of the displays. Keep in mind that your GPU would have to draw an exponential amount of frames to give you that 3D effect and if even ONE single frame fucks up, you wreck your brain (motion sickness) Which is why stereoscopic is usually the way to go. What you think of is of course possible, but extremely power hungry and extremely inefficient.
My older TV had stereo 3D and I really enjoyed playing games on it. I remember spending ages in AC:Black Flag just loving it.... even though I had to wear glasses on my glasses.... it was a great time!
@@CorporateZombi Man, I'd love a Bigscreen Beyond, but I just don't see it as a monitor replacement, just like I don't see headphones as a speaker replacement; No matter how light you make them, the simple fact that it's a wearable (with wires or battery to think about + thermal considerations) puts you at a comfort disadvantage
@@EvilMcSheep I think there are some things better done on a monitor, especially if you need to type or do data entry. But anything 3d, would be VR all the way for me. As for comfort yeah, most of the headsets are pretty terrible out of the box without modification. But then, I wear glasses anyway!
@@CorporateZombi VR is quite a different gaming experience - even if we were to say the headset weighs nothing, the fact that you can't turn your big heavy human melon head 180 degrees and back in a fraction of a second like you can flick your view around with a mouse + monitor (whether for twitch aim or just situational awareness) means you end up playing slower-paced games. Nothing wrong with that, just that VR once again occupies a different space compared to monitors. Honestly, all things considered, my OG Vive is pretty comfortable - 6 hour gaming sessions are no real problem as long as the body doesn't get tired from all the flailing around :D Still, it's nice not having to wear it for games which don't benefit from the motion controls, where I can enjoy a high refresh rate monitor instead :)
As someone with strabismus seeing people say that things LITERALLY pop out of the screen is insane. Been to a 3d movie, didn't get it, had a 3ds, saw no change. It was only later in life where I realized why. Makes me REALLY curious as to what its like.
You never seen pictures or videos where something literally comes out of the screen? It's kinda like that. Your best bet might be a magic trick with optical illusions. You could do a mockup with video games by holding a copy of a game HUD on a stick, maybe on a transparent sheet of plastic, and moving that between you and the screen to get an idea of what that would look like. Have you ever tried a VR headset? Does that work with strabismus?
@@LutraLovegood never tried a vr headset but I assume it wouldn't work as well Just conjecture but it'd probably feel more like just strapping a screen to your face rather than something immersive Heard newer models have eye tracking and shit, also really curious on how that would work on someone who doesn't have eyes that look to the same direction
I'm always rooting for more 3D tech. I'm still holding out for 3D TV's to make a comeback. Most peoples complaints about them were not from the best 3D TV's, and at the very end when 3D was dying, the last 3D TV's, the very few 4K TV's that supported 3D were amazing. but everyone had already given up on it by then. Maybe with 8K falling flat, 3D will be the next thing manufacturers push to try and sell more TV's.
8K tech would be amazing when combined with 3D TVs. This would make a perceivable quality difference since the 3D effect halves the resolution to be effectively 4K. 8K 2D TVs are largely pointless as you would need a prohibitively expensive, extremely large TV to really see a noticeable difference from 4K.
@ only passive 3D halves the resolution, and only in one direction, so 8K would still be overkill. I was pretty happy with active shutter 3D back in the day, which could be a lot better now as well, with faster LCD tech for the glasses, and OLED for the panel, you wouldn’t have to give up ANY resolution
@@PAPO1990 Oh nice, I didn't know that! I do feel people would be hesitant to put on glasses but maybe with all the big tech companies (Apple, Meta, Google, etc) introducing XR glasses tech in the coming years, this could be a built in feature once the masses begin to adopt it. That way you won't need a separate, standalone pair, but instead the glasses your "iPhone 20xr" is built into will just do the trick automatically when you view your 3D TV.
Hey, GIS finally got mentioned in one of these videos, never thought it would get mentioned! GIS professional here! I could see some usage for a screen like this for sure, specially with digital elevation models (LiDAR). However, all that gets translated into a 2D map, which is probably never going to change. So, even in GIS, this would only be for special/limited use cases. It would be great to use to take real world elevation data and make realistic landscapes for games! 😂😂😂😂😂
Years ago, I had the Commander Freevi 3D tablet with parallax barrier..and it was pretty awesome (other than the fact that it uses AC charging instead of usb). But right about the time that I got that, some of the 3D IMAX theaters started displaying a 3D Parallax barrier TV for running trailers for their 3D movies. It blew my mind. I tried to get one, but the theater told me it had to be returned, and when I contacted IMAX, they told me that those screens where repurposed for manufacturing use. I was so disappointed that there was no way to get one. Because they were AMAZING!
I feel like this would be amazing on an ultrawide for racing sims. VR is great and all, but basically a 3D windscreen would be so much comfier and should give you most of the experience of VR.
9:22 that's just the most typical screen space reflections thing and it literally applies to every game that has it because character is covering the part of the screen that would have been reflected if it wasn't there.
Acer has had laptops with a variant of something like this tech for quite some time(intel 11th gen processor), we've actually been using them at work for a 3D design class where you manipulate models in a 3D space It has a huge number of IR emitters around the screen (i think 9 in total though they're kind of hard to spot) along with what looks like a somewhat normal looking IR Windows Hello camera array Kinda hard to drive this 4K display for what i remember to be an RTX 2060 mobile GPU Oh, and if i recall, the laptops are several thousands of dollars.
Yep! That's the ZSpace model I believe. Very cool stuff and I'm glad to hear 3D designers got their hands on them! I used to work for the company who invented this tech and I'm excited to see it get the spotlight it deserves ^^
The screen being able to only track pair of eyes at a time reminds me of that one Mission Impossible scene. Where they have a giant screen that tracks the guard's eyes to create a fake hallway while they quietly break into the vault. It goes haywire when a whole bunch of guards rush into the hallway.
Over the past year I’ve delved into 3D gaming and it’s been amazing! I cannot stress how incredible it looks on a 4K passive 3D oled… when it works. Like Linus brought up, 3D is all about developer implementation. Today pretty much all 3D relies on the community to upkeep and even the “working” titles can be quite buggy. There has been a lot of new developments in 3D recently thanks to the growing VR industry and dedicated members of the community. Games like Horizon zero dawn and Spider-Man are playable in 3D right now. If you ever get a chance to try out 3D gaming you definitely should. Some of my favorites are Battlefront II and Rocket League.
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I assume the problem with providing 3D support for existing games is things like screen-space reflections: the reflection rays that work for one eye's viewpoint would be incorrect for the other eye, since the reflection point would appear to be in a different location due to parallax. This could cause the "floating" reflections seen in Lego Star Wars.
While I agree that it's really cool to do this without glasses or anything, wouldn't it be easier to do, and more easily improved, by doing this with a virtual display in a VR headset? I don't have VR, so idk if they can already do it. To me it seems like a much easier and probably better solution to have a virtual display do this in VR. You don't need it to adjust with eye cameras, you could share the experience in a shared VR space, it would be way cheaper, it could scale sort of limitlessly, etc. Can VR headsets already do this? Like could I watch a 3D (not VR) video in 3D within a Meta Quest or whatever?
3D Blurays are slowly becoming a reality again. I have an Xbox 360 that can USE THIS. It'll be amazing to watch WMV-HD 3D movies. And maybe they'll even find a way to make the left and right sides only see one side just by standing on that side instead of glasses for multiplayer on the screen.
It's great to see that the inverse reactive current used in unilateral phase detractors, is also capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters.
"What if you are right above me, so we align vertically (I know I heard it wrong, I was cooking in the kitchen)". This sure grabbed my attention and made me drop what I'm working on to get to my laptop lol.
yeah that price point is hilarious! I have a 3D TV and will stick to the glasses. 55 inch and does a better job regarding refresh rate and that is from something from 2011!!!!
My favorite 3D monitor was made by iZ3D. It used 2 IPS panels stacked on top of one another where the top display was almost transparent. It used passive 3D glasses and made game so much more immersive like Gears of War where the cobwebs jumped out of the screen. The 2 big issues was no HDCP support and it wasn't 1080p. They were supposed to launch a 27" version that has HDCP support and was 1080p but they shut down before that. Also since it used 2 displays, your GPU needed at least 2 outputs. No SLI or Crossfire support either. Really loved that monitor.Also only ATI/AMD GPUs were supported out of the box and you had to buy the NVIDIA version of the iZ3D drivers. Really miss being able to use it in 3D. Also 2 people could experience 3D at the same time.
As a VR user, this tech has WAY more potential than VR. VR is a completely new medium with new games and software full of compromises, whereas glassless 3D is just a straight upgrade over standard screens. Do not confuse this with using clunky 3D-glasses with batteries. Wearable devices come with HUGE compromises, they are just not convenient, they get incompatible with headphones, glasses etc, a glassless 3D screen just works and has none of those problems. It's only a matter of software support, and we got that going with upscalers, raytracing, variable refresh rate etc. Software tech-wise it's also very simple, there no need to account for different VR headsets, different FOV, warping for unique lenses, different controllers, you simply need to be able to render 2 point of views with an offset, that's all. It might be computationally expensive though, so it's more of a premium feature like raytracing. Except that unlike raytracing, depth perception is an actual advantage in some types of gameplay.
Autostereoscopy, which i have been hoping to take off for the longest time. This has been around for a while. I had the HTC Evo 3D in 2012 and I was hoping for the tech to move onto tvs and displays as mainstream. Maybe it will become more widespread now.
9:26 LMAOOO I literally had a issue like that with Unity a bit back. They didn't offset the player reflection probe by the height of the character on the up/downward axis💀 It's a easy fix and it costs nothing to move a realtime reflection probe, it's already a realtime reflection probe lol
i feel like the title of the video could have been about a 3d monitor and people would still click just as much. "NVIDIA Wouldn’t Let Me Cover This" only refers to the first like 2 minuets of the video.
it is fun to see where VR is now compared to 1996 when i was working with a class mate on a vr lab in college. I would love to see a new version of decent on modern VR gear.
I will never forget playing World Of Warcraft in 3DVision for the first time. And Im not going to lie, I have never had an experience that wowed me as much as that did as far as the sheer DEPTH. Even VR doesnt feel like I am looking vastly into the distance.
I researched lenticular 3D screens to see if they’d be effective in museums, especially for drawing in younger audiences. While they’re undeniably cool and offer a unique visual experience, our findings suggested they might not be a big enough attraction on their own to make people seek them out. Plus, the eye fatigue varies quite a bit between individuals and can actually be more intense than with a VR headset. It’s definitely a fun, memorable experience, but more of a novelty-great for a quick look, not really something you'd want for daily use at home.
People keep saying New3DS does eye tracking. If you use it's stable 3D test mode and see it also work in dark, it is very clear the tech is not eye tracking but head tracking, which works thanks to smart assumptions with the front camera and IR light doing very simple tracking of the user
I thought everyone knew it has head tracking since that’s what Nintendo shows it as?
Who are these people? The comment is more of an Fyi for those that didn't know already... It was always advertised as head tracking and also in press release...
It does track eyes in position to the head, but yeah is really barebones, take it mind it consumes little which is necessary for the 3ds also tiny battery and size.
@@TheTyisawesome Linus in this video at 2:22
You can get the same effect if you close one eye and focus the open eye on any picture or movie with the open one focusing on the background and foreground after 1 minute of doing this, your brain will literally turn it into 3D.
I got my PhD doing protein X-ray crystallography: basically determining how to build a 3D model of a protein that will fit experimental data. I often used 3D glasses when modeling, as it helped a TON with spatial reasoning. This display would be a killer app for that. I can easily see a protein science lab buying one or more of these.
I recently learnt that PhD stands for Pretty huge ... Seems like one of those freak super hero origin stories
This time 3D will surely prevail! It's only the 10th attempt...
It's a technology problem. It is without doubt a superior experience, it's just that it comes with big compromises rn
just like year of the linux. itll take time BUT ITS COMING... I PROMISE.... EVENTUALLY!!!!!
Edit: IM TALKING ABOUT CONSUMER LINUX MEME.
3d games do look great though bro. If you have never gamed in 3d, I would definitely give it a shot. You can also do this with VR but you have to have a giant headset on.
@@DemsW Personally I couldn't care less about 3D even if it just worked without glasses, it's a minimal difference and it's distracting more than anything and leads to producers using it for lame gimmick scenes of things being pushed into your face on purpose
it took 40 years before cell phones were in everyone's pocket. Things take time.
NVidia killing a video because it looked similar to a GPU you didnt use is total BS. They shouldnt have that kind of control
Massive corporations gonna be dictators
There are probably 2 sides to this story...
At that time they were probably really dependent on nvidia's funding. Easier to play ball and keep the money rolling man. And keep putting out more content.
capital feudalism...
@@Pepo.. this is business 2 business stuff ltt is not a citizen that is being exploited/oppressed
Linus needs to do a segway bit where he rides in on an actual Segway just for the 2 second gag
He did, a while back.
@raawesome3851 can’t believe i haven’t seen it, it’s a pretty obvious joke though so i guess it shouldn’t surprise me lol
@@itsmekrazyy he did a segway segue a few days ago.
Pretty sure he did that but the segway was busted so they pulled him into frame with a rope
@@LeonardTavast link or it did not happen.
Nvidia 3D vision was a blessing. It saved my eyes from degrading into focus lock. Twice.
I really dont get why thay ended it. It worked extremely well. Some games here and there had issues with particle effects but for the most part. I used it any chance i got.
It was convenient. Shareable experience with 2 glasses. Stupid simple and low power mature tech.
Bring it back please. My 4090 is itching to provide some stereoscopic glory with all pixels intact.
I agree with you, but this is way, way better. I have tried both. The only downside is the price of course.
@@cainzjussYT bite the bullet and get a VR headset!
I did. With a HP G2. The displays are very good but tracking is meh compared to the CV1. VR has always felt like a choire. Its almost never plug and play compared to nvidia 3d vision. But the usecase is also completely different. VR is best at fullbody thing as the image quality is not close to what Nvidia 3D vision offers. And then theres the ease of use, ability to be aware of sorroundings, low space requirements etc. Long story short. I do like VR but real life constraints killed it for me. Maybe blame the price of housing nowadays. Eventho i had both. I did allways prefere to watch movies with Nvidia 3D vision. VR will allways lack in quality in that department.
Simple, Nvidia makes quality products that work Period ! Not products that work in most applications but have issues in others, if they can't resolve most know issues across the board or at least feel assured the any bugs are simply that, bugs to be resolved, they won't launch a bad product.
@@cainzjussYT A damn shame your reverb G2 is about to be bricked by microsoft dropping support for window mixed reality. Probably sell that quick if you still can, or hold onto it as a piece of history in hopes a work around can be found in the future.
Inside out Tracking is ok on quest 3. It's not really strictly necessary, but you can also use the self tracked quest pro controllers which help defy controller occulsion issues. Or psvr2 + pc adapter. Otherwise there are newer higher resolution headsets like pimax crystal +faceplate / big screen beyond which use base station tracking, which works well.
It's a shame Nvidia 3d vision is gone too. I still have 2 3d TV's and some 3d capable projectors. So I am with you on that. I just don't mind wearing the headsets so much. I would have thought pimax crystal light or the forthcoming super or megan X might give you that resolution bump you were looking for. But I feel you, because they are NOT cheap! And you would need a beast PC
Bruh i just want Nvidia 3D vision back. That shit just worked for most DirectX games I tried. And while it didn't pop out of the screen (the effect only added depth into the screen, kind of like looking out a window IRL), That's arguably a good thing since you'd never have that discomfort when the 3D effect is cut by the edge of the screen.
There were some advance settings where you could adjust the 3d positioning, its was kinda hidden, i think like Ctrl F6 and Ctrl F7 to adjust in and out, and they had to be turned on through a menu setting in the 3d vision menu somewhere.
@@bishopvick6373 There was also a scroll wheel on the back of the IR transmitter that you could use. Though the wheel on mine somehow failed and would scroll in random directions when you tried to use it.
The 3d vision community is still strong with some Modders keeping stereo 3d alive , we can still play many many games in 3d with a few caveats. I play on a projector screen and it is an insanely good experience.
@@gatorkea ohhhhh will have to look! i still have my old display and glasses, would love to 3d on screen again one day!
IIRC the demo program had the most impressive 3D effect (not that it wasn't apparent in games), popping the (spinning?) logo out in front of the screen.
Too bad about the game compatibility...
The Larger the Display... the further Objects can Pop out. This has been a big issue with 3D glasses... because most people were using small sized CRT monitors, and getting a very limited depth effect. It was still really cool... but it was nothing like an 3D movie, in a true Imax 3D Theatre. However... using a +32" display, and things can pop out... about 2.5ft to 3ft out of the screen. Even better, is a home theatre projector. I believe my buddy had made a 14ft wide sheet for his... and despite sitting about 14 ft away... the images seemed to come within arms reach, out of the screen... And that was only on a 720p projector. The movie looked and felt every bit as fantastic, as an actual Imax 3d experience...
He popped in the movie "Predator" which was converted into stereoscopic 3d... and WOW. I was blown away. I actually felt like I was standing in the Jungle with the actors. I was spending more time being amazed at the life-like leaves on the trees... than actually watching the actors themselves. I wish I had seen that in the Imax 3d theatre too... but I never remember hearing any advertisement about it. It was literally one of the best 3D movie experiences Id ever had, hands down. Even better than Avatar 3D... because it was actually real, rather than slightly cartoonish CGI.
Since displays are much cheaper for larger sizes... it should be trivial to make decent 3D Displays. The 3D tech, is also not a very costly addition, to add to a monitor. The masses of 3Ds systems, prove that. Of course... now with VR Glasses, there is less of a need for special 3D monitors. Still, the tech is still a valid, and desired option... for people whom want to watch films, and play games on a Monitor, rather than dealing with a full VR setup.
Ohh, and I almost forgot... that one of the other things that messed up 3D glasses uptake... was that the initial LCD displays at that time period, was would only go up to 60 hz. That would leave you would only 30hz per eye. Add in, that they were often slightly slow in image updating, due to persistence issues (and fake motion frame inserts, if turned on)... and you could get ghosting on such displays, even if you could hack software to display 3D on them. Newer LCD technology, was quite expensive at the time when Nvidia rolled out their new overly expensive 3D glasses. So even if you could afford both the glasses, and the correct monitor... that monitor would likely still have been around 25 inches or less.
Worse yet, was Nvidia's lack of solid support for stereoscopic 3d. Rather than accepting a slow and gradual user base expansion... they eventually stopped updating their drivers, and I believe discontinued the sales of the glasses (rather than reduce the cost of them, to a more reasonable price).
For most Game Dev's... Adding Stereoscopic 3D, should be pretty Trivial... since most 3d games, already exist in a 3d world, with actual 3d depth. The only things they may have to tweak, are menu depths, and other "2d effect" depth conversions. Today... every new PC game "should" be VR compatible... to keep allowing the VR base to grow. Also, all movies should be converted into Stereo3d, with an affordable price... so that VR glasses owners, can watch their favorite classics, in 3D. Why they never converted "ALIENS" ,to 3D, is a Travesty, IMO.
@LinusTechTips the reason you are seing the weirdness on the reflection on the Lego game is because they use screen space reflection and for some reason forgot to make sure that when they render double One on the top of the other, they somehow forgot to make sure that the SSR would run correctlyon each render instead of centered LOL! that's why you can see the character reflection all the way on the top (because that's the bottom renderer)
Sounds like a copypaste without hardware to debug it on.
From what he described, I think the Lego example is just a fake post-process 3d (using depth info to move things around for each eye) (resulting in ghosting and incorrect SSR)
It'll have big visual issues unless it's actually rendered separately per eye, which makes it much more worse on performance to render each frame (since you're rendering _almost_ twice as much per frame), and requires more from the engine/developers to support in a performant manner
@@Cheesecannon25 It's real geometry 3D for that LEGO game (3D Ultra in TrueGame). Linus' complaint was about screen space reflections being kind of shitty, but they behave like that in the game in 2D too.
SSR is cancer that needs to be replaced in all games ASAP for RT Reflections.
@@sacb0y like pssr?
Literally needed a snippet from Mission Impossible in the Kremlin -- the hallway with the screen (presenting the hallway as empty) with the "drip" clicker. Preferably, the controller jumping from eye(s) to eye(s) when more guards show up.
Man, could you imagine a 4k qd oled screen with certified HDR support using this 3D tech? That would be insane. HDR, mitigated screen tearing thanks to sub-millisecond pixel response, and deep true black. Plouffe would have to upgrade yet again lol
Some say you can hack 3d vision in modern lg oled tv
@@MrKadjit 3d Vision generally works with most any true 120hz display, even projectors, no hacking required there.
Where hacking is needed is unfortunately Nvidia dropped 3d Vision support from drivers quite some time ago, meaning that using a modern GPU takes some effort. Literally the only reason I don't use mine any more. I really REALLY miss being able to load up virtually any game and just play it in 3d if I wanted to.
I have visited a demo with a huge 8k TV with this tech, and it just feels so natural to reach at the screen and try to grab something
Imagine pr0n on that. Good thing it doesn't really exist and it will be too expensive for the foreseeable future, otherwise I'd die dehydrated in my basement, lol.
@@zemerickthe 3d vision does require glasses though right?
Do you know if the 1080ti had support for it, or did they drop support before that?
My girlfriend and I were just playing LEGO Star Wars The Skywalker Saga last night, and I actually said to her "gosh this game would look so good if we could play it in 3D on our TV". I want 3D to come back without all the dumb mistakes from last round. Okay, time to watch past 1m49s into the video. :)
So... basically a 3DS Display in bigger and with higher resolution?
I am fine with glasses free 3D. Even back when everyone hated them on the 3DS I was enjoying it quite a bit.
I still have a 3ds to this day it stands surprisingly well for a 14 year old machine
@@bossfire001 I also have my ambassador model from back then but I mostly use the New 3DS XL nowadays. As I grew older I find larger displays to be more pleasing ^^°
@@bossfire001 I really like the 3ds effect but it gives me pretty intense eye strain so I'd be concerned about a monitor like this but if they work that out it would probably be the best implementation of 3d for an individual
I still have my 3ds and play it always on 3D. But at this price point for a screen no thank you lol
It was also a godsend for 3D platformers. It was the thing that was better in 3D Land than in 3D World.
computer monitors are literally the one consumer product that 3D tech should actually be in. 99.5% of the time its only a single person looking at the screen, that person is directly in front of the screen 99.9% of the time. Monitors are close enough to peoples eyes for the effect to be noticeable. And computers do a ton of stuff that could benefit from having a 3D effect.
it feels weird starting the week without an LTT upload 😅
Whenever I bring out the 3DS there are some games that still blow me away with how well the 3D is implemented. I got mine in March or April of 2011, before Nintendo dropped the price. It was the first console I bought with my own money. I was 11 at the time I think.
7:35 Dad and son moment 😄
I still have LG TV with 3D screen. Love to watch 3D movies from time to time. Especially since it works with passive 3d glasses and several of us can watch at the same time.
Its pity they never made proper 4K OLED version. It would have been a blast. They basically use the same technique like when you go to cinema and watch movie in 3D. You can even use those glasses from cinema to watch on this TV.
It would be awesome if there was some plugin or addon to convert games to be showed in 3d format (side by side) that this TV could handle.
LG did make a 4K OLED with 3D but they are very rare and I couldn't find one on ebay etc. Just remotes for the TV model for some reason.
I actually have a LG 4k OLED 3D TV, and it is by far the best 3d experience I've ever had. I work at a cinema so I've got infinite access to glasses too! I honestly think it's a better experience than the cinema, because sitting closer to a 55" TV fills more of your FOV and cinema projectors just can't achieve the OLED blacks while projecting to a white screen. Also the depth is so much more profound in a small room.
@happyhelpfulhoovy that is awesome for you man. I wish I had one. I have their signature oled model from 2019, very good looking, but no 3D.
Samsung is also coming with a 3D monitor, and you can also play all 3DS games through Citra (incl the Mario 64 fan port). And Dolphin has 3D support for GC and Wii games
One of these mounted over the top of a touch screen monitor would be the ultimate 3DS emulation setup
@SkullHeart actually I think we're better off using a Samsung Note phone for that because of stylus games. Just have it lay on the keyboard palm rest
I saw that monitor at ces
wasn't Dolphin killed by Nintendo's compulsive suing addiction?
You know this is far more refined than I expected it to be and I love it. The monitor 3D seems to fit a nice space in between wanting VR then having to deal with setting up IPD for different users every time to intend to show off a project. But also for the ability to work or view the 3D of a project when it's needed but then turn off the projection when you don't to simple use a normal monitor. The ease of getting in and out of a 3D type of project far surpasses getting a VR headset up and going each time too. Also the ability to get out of 3D/VR without any disorientation for those that have a terrible time with VR for some reason is a nice bonus.
Personally I would love to have this as a secondary work monitor.
As someone who absolutely loves 3D movies, I'd love one of these monitors. Or even better, a decent-sized TV with the same tech. Currently the best way to watch 3D blurays etc is VR headsets, but it's a pretty convoluted process if you want to watch directly off of the bluray and not rip the movie. This looks absolutely awesome.
@@krank23 if you make a remux they will play directly in 4xvr on quest. Some Blu-ray with loads of video files have issues with stuttering but most 3d Blu-ray are one or a few big files. Not ideal but I already remuxed all my blu-rays anyway. Lazy people could use "alternative methods" (if you look up "download 3d blu-rays" it should come up. They also use AI to make 3d conversions but I don't like most movie conversions. Anime and K-pop videos in converted 3d are kind of cool though)
You can get the same effect if you close one eye and focus the open eye on any picture or movie with the open one focusing on the background and foreground after 1 minute of doing this, your brain will literally turn it into 3D.
@@krank23 A lot of currently sold DLP projectors support 3D. However some of the ultra short throws don't, so be sure to look at specs.
@@marcusdamberger aren't 3D supporting projectors using active glasses rather than passive? Glasses overall are worse than using a VR headset since they mean halving the framerate and a dimmer picture, and active glasses are the worst because of the flickering. My current TV uses active, and I pretty much never use it for 3D for that reason.
@@krank23 yes they use shutter glasses. They can run faster fps, I think 144Hz, so each eye gets 72Hz. Verses 120Hz LCD screen halved to 60Hz each eye on a typical active TV. LG OLED of course is whatever the panel refresh rate is using passive glasses. There is a company using the high refresh rates of the new OLED panels that support various game modes and using shutter glasses at those higher Hz, since the panels are so fast at switching, it seems to work. So you can support 3D TV on a TV that doesn't even have a 3D mode. Everyone dropped 3D support after 2016. Near as I know, none of the 2017 models from Samsung, Sony or LG support 3D.
Broooo 3D Vision WoW. You just brought me back Linus.
I am amazed 3d monitors didn't catch on. 3D games, especially fpses and racers were amazing in 3d (Skyrim, F.E.A.R, Dirt for example looked amazing with Nvidea 3D vision) but not only for games but for building programs. Being able to place parts in Kerbal space Program in 3d was amazing and made building things easier, as you dnot need to constantly rotate the view around to check the placement on all axis. 3D would be amazing if it worked inside game engines to help with building world environments, again without the need to constantly swing the view around to check placement. If you done world building in Unity im sure you know how much of a pain this is, but if it was 3d?!
The price was and is the problem. Not to mention VR with completely killed 3d tv and movies
@@nando03012009 also thickness
and resolution
@@nando03012009 I think both have equal plusses in a market. VR for closed world separate gaming experience, 3D Monitor for immersive fun (and sometimes useful) desktop gaming.
I loved 3D for Monster Hunter, it made close positioning easier.
3D doesn't need to catch on to be enjoyable and still get nice products made for it occasionally
0:33 is that Tommy Vercetti?
Shit, i didn't think they'd ever let him out
Sonny, I don't have the money!
Haha i have the same shirt
This is wild! Actually tried to diy this myself for my vPinball machine build. Ended up giving up on lenticular and getting a passive 3d monitor with a kinect for head/eyetracking. It works decently, but the kinect loses tracking sometimes and has issues with low angles. Cool to see the professional version of the same thing here.
I'm totally down for a 3D display revival
2:20 The 3DS actually had an 800x240 screen, and upscaled from 400x240 with 3D disabled. A homebrewer found a way to display at that 800x240 resolution with the 3D disabled, and it actually looks really good...
I always wondered why they always just wanted to make 3D come "out of the screen" That jarring effect is what you get! I don't know if it is possible, but why don't they just tune it to always just display depth behind the screen? Like you're looking through an actual window, so it makes sense that the object is occluded by the borders of the monitor instead of just causing eye fatigue because your brain can't understand what just happened?
It's not possible, while I'm not expert on th subject, I think the 3d effect is using the difference between your eye distance, layering 2 slightly offset image on top of each other, that means each eye is seeing it with angle and the focus ( focal) point is on the screen, think a triangle shape where the top tip is at the screen, and 2 other tips are your eyes, that's why 3d effect always seems "pop out".
With proper technology, like lot thicker screen and maybe multiple layers of display, maybe it can be act like what you are describing, but with current display technology it's not possible
It is up to the creators to use the 3D effectively, just like any other tool. It is an art form just like Sound Design.
It's not like a window. Through a window, both eyes see slightly different images. due to the angle
With Nvidia 3D vision back in the day, you could adjust the 3d settings in such a way as to move the 3d effect forward or backward, so it was possible to tune to your liking, In Skyrim for example i had my spell casting hands just in front of the screen. Was sooo cool
@@Simon-tr9hv Its clearly possible, as most movies (at least to my eyes) did depth rather than pop-out effects. Despicable Me did the pop out and immediately gives me a blinding headache. I believe its something to do with where the two simulated viewpoints are. by moving them closer together or wider it changes how your brain interprets the distance of objects, so likely also needs slight tweaking of the strength depending on how much of your field of view the display is covering.
I have a LookingGlass Go holographic display and that also seems to be entirely depth, no popping out effect.
Ghe overlay of the 3D model outside the montior to show how large it is and how close it is was a great way to showcase how this looks to the person using the monitor, good job.
I love that you open the video giving credit where credit is due to Asus despite NVIDIA being silly about it, so you're still open and honest with your viewers while you cover the Acer tech. That's integrity right there.
5:44 - virtual boy, 3DS and literally every 3D screen user ever
I love 3D display tech. I want the passive glasses version to return, it's probably the best implementation IMO. Sure you have to wear glasses but multiple people can view it without needing to be stacked on top of one another. Maybe when manufacturers can get 8K displays at 40+ inches are decent prices it could be tried again.
I have a passive 3D LG, but I usually watch 3D stuff in my Quest3. The resolution is higher, there is no ghosting, and I can make the screen insanely large or small, curved or flat, depending on the game or my mood. Just tried Split/Sencond with VorpX it's insanely good. And it's MUCH cheaper than these stuff. And if I display the game/movie both on my 3D TV and in my Quest, two or even more people can watch it in 3D at the same time:)
having tried playing Tomb Raider on a similar display, the experience is stunning in person. The ability to just look around corners by moving your head, or accurately see how far away a mountain in the distance is, is just crazy cool.
Just get this tech on a 5k OLED or IPS Ultrawide panel and we are golden. I also don't want 3D to pop out of the screen, I want it to feel like a window and all the depth should exist within the panel.
With the occasional projectile coming towards you.
Most 3D mods work like looking through a window and allow you to tweak the 3D settings. You can check out 3D mods on helixmod.
3DS emulation and 3D game future never looked so bright. 3D may not work nearly half as well for my eyes as when I was a kid with a 3DS like a decade and a half ago but I still love it
This sounds like it's on the verge of being an ideal solution for the vpin (Virtual Pinball) hobby... if the 3D effect can work while in portrait mode. I'm guessing not?
If it does work in portrait, if input lag isn't too bad, and if the pixel refresh rate can handle a fast pinball (perhaps an OLED version in the future?), then dedicated hobbyists wouldn't have any problem paying an extra couple of thousand for the 3D effect (people already spend upwards of $10K on their builds anyway, what's an extra grand or two?)
It wouldn't work as is. Instead of having alternate columns go to each eye, you'd have alternate rows, and the display would expect your eyes to be stacked atop one another. Someone would need to manufacture a display specifically with a vertical aspect ratio in mind to make it work right. But it's certainly a really cool sounding idea.
@@KyleDavis328I believe they may in fact have 3D displays for portrait, or close to it. I've seen a lot of 3D displays in casinos that are taller than they are wide on slot machines.
You just reminded me I got my BenQ XL2420T from 2011 with support for 3d nvidia vision 2, laying around in the storage room!!!!
Gotta try some of those modern games out on 3D, the support is big in community.
- FF7 Remake
- Kenya Bridge of Spirits
- SW Jedi Fallen Order
- Resident Evil 2 and 3 Remake
- Plaque Tale Requires
- Titanfall 2
- Just Cause 2
- Borderlands 2
- Metro 2033 Redux
- Witcher 3
- Shadow of the Tomb Raider
- Batman Arkham series
I’ve been waiting for a 3D comeback.
Anyone who doesn’t like 3D doesn’t know how immersive it is to play Arkham City as if you’re in the game.
VR is 3D as well as a standard, so it’s only a matter of time.
Microsoft’s AR is also something that I’ve been waiting for for years since they first showed it. *sigh*
Imagine watching this video on one of those monitors, "i wish you guys could experience this" "i can" loll
My preference would probably still be for passive 3D, as those glasses are pretty light and affordable, and more than one person can view the screen.
Also, as Linus pointed out, VR headsets or more basic VR glasses probably do a similar job for less.
Still a cool proof of concept.
Passive 3D loses too much brightness. With this modern tech there is no reason they can't do 3D HDR which gives your eyes the best conditions for interpreting depth.
@@alexatkin That's a good point, but doesn't that bring us back to VR glasses or headsets, given how this 3D effect only works for one person at a time?
AR glasses are what you should look into for 3D. All the positives of VR and none of the negatives
@@vahlte You can use multiple headsets and watch stuff in 3D with people across the world.
@@vahlte Holographic screens like the LookingGlass can do multiple people, but you also drop the resolution considerably to achieve it and they're expensive to produce. Its also not really practical given the concept there is to render many different angles so its perspective correct depending on what angle you are look at it. Its cool tech though.
@ 8:53
The issue is due to SSR (Screen Space Reflections) which can only draw what's on-screen as a reflection, so everything behind the player's character or arms is hidden/in-front
4:12 Except, that tiny pattern is actually saving you $1000, according to the prices you gave.
3:40 you generally won't get any additional crosstalk due to them being LCD displays vs OLED that would only happen if you were constantly moving your head across lenticular zones for every single frame. What you say really only applies to frame sequential like shutter glasses.
00:33 Tommy Vercetti shirt, love it!
The fact that Linus now has to add "this wasn't scripted, btw" whenever something genuine happens
Love how the "giant 3DS display" is actually a giant new 2ds xl which has no 3D
No one cares
@@slowazzd2165 Who hurt you
@@slowazzd2165obvious ragebait
The thing is the New 2DS XL actual has the exact same screen as the 3DS XL
I can see this being useful for editing CSS on web pages, like seeing the layers stacked in 3D.
heres a funny possibility with moniter tech - with transparent displays existing and being pretty good, would stacking multiple, or even many of these displays be able to create 3D content by just using "real space" to create the depth? Sure, it would probably look like youre looking in to a box with stuff happening inside, while this "pops out", but maybe this would prevent people getting sick from it, or have other strengths compared to normal 3D. mights end up being useful in places instead of holograms instead of a normal display, more like a display cabinet you can do stuff with instead of watching a movie (but even then, make it big enough and it might be like props on a stage in a theater)
no
@@StrawberryKitten very detailed and thoughtful response lol
it will look like a bunch of cardboard cutouts
@@PortocaliusMaximus might do, but with each layer being able to add increasingly wider parts behind the original shape, I would be curious as to how much of a 3D effect it could achieve. Even most 3D printing is just many layers of 2D shapes, and you wouldnt say most of those creations look like cutouts
The amount of displays you would have to stack would add up immensely in hardware hunger of the displays.
Keep in mind that your GPU would have to draw an exponential amount of frames to give you that 3D effect and if even ONE single frame fucks up, you wreck your brain (motion sickness)
Which is why stereoscopic is usually the way to go.
What you think of is of course possible, but extremely power hungry and extremely inefficient.
My older TV had stereo 3D and I really enjoyed playing games on it. I remember spending ages in AC:Black Flag just loving it.... even though I had to wear glasses on my glasses.... it was a great time!
Not having to strap a toaster to your face is the big selling point compared to VR :D
@@EvilMcSheep ahem bigscreen beyond now and MeganX next year?
@@CorporateZombi Man, I'd love a Bigscreen Beyond, but I just don't see it as a monitor replacement, just like I don't see headphones as a speaker replacement;
No matter how light you make them, the simple fact that it's a wearable (with wires or battery to think about + thermal considerations) puts you at a comfort disadvantage
@@EvilMcSheep I think there are some things better done on a monitor, especially if you need to type or do data entry. But anything 3d, would be VR all the way for me. As for comfort yeah, most of the headsets are pretty terrible out of the box without modification. But then, I wear glasses anyway!
@@CorporateZombi VR is quite a different gaming experience - even if we were to say the headset weighs nothing, the fact that you can't turn your big heavy human melon head 180 degrees and back in a fraction of a second like you can flick your view around with a mouse + monitor (whether for twitch aim or just situational awareness) means you end up playing slower-paced games. Nothing wrong with that, just that VR once again occupies a different space compared to monitors.
Honestly, all things considered, my OG Vive is pretty comfortable - 6 hour gaming sessions are no real problem as long as the body doesn't get tired from all the flailing around :D Still, it's nice not having to wear it for games which don't benefit from the motion controls, where I can enjoy a high refresh rate monitor instead :)
As someone with strabismus seeing people say that things LITERALLY pop out of the screen is insane.
Been to a 3d movie, didn't get it, had a 3ds, saw no change. It was only later in life where I realized why.
Makes me REALLY curious as to what its like.
You never seen pictures or videos where something literally comes out of the screen? It's kinda like that. Your best bet might be a magic trick with optical illusions. You could do a mockup with video games by holding a copy of a game HUD on a stick, maybe on a transparent sheet of plastic, and moving that between you and the screen to get an idea of what that would look like. Have you ever tried a VR headset? Does that work with strabismus?
@@LutraLovegood never tried a vr headset but I assume it wouldn't work as well
Just conjecture but it'd probably feel more like just strapping a screen to your face rather than something immersive
Heard newer models have eye tracking and shit, also really curious on how that would work on someone who doesn't have eyes that look to the same direction
I'm always rooting for more 3D tech. I'm still holding out for 3D TV's to make a comeback. Most peoples complaints about them were not from the best 3D TV's, and at the very end when 3D was dying, the last 3D TV's, the very few 4K TV's that supported 3D were amazing. but everyone had already given up on it by then. Maybe with 8K falling flat, 3D will be the next thing manufacturers push to try and sell more TV's.
There's a company out there still making a passive 3D TV but it's big and expensive.
8K tech would be amazing when combined with 3D TVs. This would make a perceivable quality difference since the 3D effect halves the resolution to be effectively 4K. 8K 2D TVs are largely pointless as you would need a prohibitively expensive, extremely large TV to really see a noticeable difference from 4K.
@ only passive 3D halves the resolution, and only in one direction, so 8K would still be overkill. I was pretty happy with active shutter 3D back in the day, which could be a lot better now as well, with faster LCD tech for the glasses, and OLED for the panel, you wouldn’t have to give up ANY resolution
@@PAPO1990 Oh nice, I didn't know that! I do feel people would be hesitant to put on glasses but maybe with all the big tech companies (Apple, Meta, Google, etc) introducing XR glasses tech in the coming years, this could be a built in feature once the masses begin to adopt it. That way you won't need a separate, standalone pair, but instead the glasses your "iPhone 20xr" is built into will just do the trick automatically when you view your 3D TV.
4:11 😂 this gave me a good chuckle! Well done editors!
6:52 "Recently Payed Files"
@@phygs the team has to test the monitor before linus gets his hands on it.... how else do you think he makes his videos??
Hey, GIS finally got mentioned in one of these videos, never thought it would get mentioned! GIS professional here! I could see some usage for a screen like this for sure, specially with digital elevation models (LiDAR). However, all that gets translated into a 2D map, which is probably never going to change. So, even in GIS, this would only be for special/limited use cases. It would be great to use to take real world elevation data and make realistic landscapes for games! 😂😂😂😂😂
9:55 That poor orb was left behind, all of its friends were picked up, so why not this one? >:(
Years ago, I had the Commander Freevi 3D tablet with parallax barrier..and it was pretty awesome (other than the fact that it uses AC charging instead of usb). But right about the time that I got that, some of the 3D IMAX theaters started displaying a 3D Parallax barrier TV for running trailers for their 3D movies. It blew my mind. I tried to get one, but the theater told me it had to be returned, and when I contacted IMAX, they told me that those screens where repurposed for manufacturing use. I was so disappointed that there was no way to get one. Because they were AMAZING!
Finally a practical use of 4K monitor
I feel like this would be amazing on an ultrawide for racing sims. VR is great and all, but basically a 3D windscreen would be so much comfier and should give you most of the experience of VR.
This time 3D will catch up, will it?
probably nope
No
Unless it's done with holographic displays to provide true 3D experience, which I'm not sure is even possible with current tech... I don't think so.
i dont want 3d when i'm gaming.
9:22
that's just the most typical screen space reflections thing and it literally applies to every game that has it because character is covering the part of the screen that would have been reflected if it wasn't there.
Acer has had laptops with a variant of something like this tech for quite some time(intel 11th gen processor), we've actually been using them at work for a 3D design class where you manipulate models in a 3D space
It has a huge number of IR emitters around the screen (i think 9 in total though they're kind of hard to spot) along with what looks like a somewhat normal looking IR Windows Hello camera array
Kinda hard to drive this 4K display for what i remember to be an RTX 2060 mobile GPU
Oh, and if i recall, the laptops are several thousands of dollars.
Looks like they updated it to an 11800H and a 3080 so thats.... nice. Its also cheaper now than the our XX60 laptop
Yep! That's the ZSpace model I believe. Very cool stuff and I'm glad to hear 3D designers got their hands on them! I used to work for the company who invented this tech and I'm excited to see it get the spotlight it deserves ^^
The screen being able to only track pair of eyes at a time reminds me of that one Mission Impossible scene. Where they have a giant screen that tracks the guard's eyes to create a fake hallway while they quietly break into the vault. It goes haywire when a whole bunch of guards rush into the hallway.
I totally want 3D to come back!!!!!
Over the past year I’ve delved into 3D gaming and it’s been amazing! I cannot stress how incredible it looks on a 4K passive 3D oled… when it works. Like Linus brought up, 3D is all about developer implementation. Today pretty much all 3D relies on the community to upkeep and even the “working” titles can be quite buggy. There has been a lot of new developments in 3D recently thanks to the growing VR industry and dedicated members of the community. Games like Horizon zero dawn and Spider-Man are playable in 3D right now. If you ever get a chance to try out 3D gaming you definitely should. Some of my favorites are Battlefront II and Rocket League.
They finally listened to us non-native speakers and turned the segue into a Segway
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It is so good to see Anthony back and better than ever.
3:17 Twin Brother who went to business school 😂😂
11:32 Risk of rain 2 mentioned!
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I assume the problem with providing 3D support for existing games is things like screen-space reflections: the reflection rays that work for one eye's viewpoint would be incorrect for the other eye, since the reflection point would appear to be in a different location due to parallax. This could cause the "floating" reflections seen in Lego Star Wars.
Why can't Nvidia just revive 3D vision for software support? I used to have active glasses for that and it was amazing
They moved on to VR. Developers supporting stereo 3D anywhere else was optional, results varying in more ways than described in this video.
While I agree that it's really cool to do this without glasses or anything, wouldn't it be easier to do, and more easily improved, by doing this with a virtual display in a VR headset? I don't have VR, so idk if they can already do it. To me it seems like a much easier and probably better solution to have a virtual display do this in VR. You don't need it to adjust with eye cameras, you could share the experience in a shared VR space, it would be way cheaper, it could scale sort of limitlessly, etc. Can VR headsets already do this? Like could I watch a 3D (not VR) video in 3D within a Meta Quest or whatever?
10:35 baby wake up, new Linus wallpaper just dropped.
3D Blurays are slowly becoming a reality again. I have an Xbox 360 that can USE THIS. It'll be amazing to watch WMV-HD 3D movies. And maybe they'll even find a way to make the left and right sides only see one side just by standing on that side instead of glasses for multiplayer on the screen.
half of 4K ist still in between 2E and 2F that is good enough for me
no it's 2E in one eye and 2F in the other
@@mattisandersson9661akshually 2E.5 (BE.E) in both eyes
It's great to see that the inverse reactive current used in unilateral phase detractors, is also capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters.
5:09 YOU HAVE WATCHED THE PRINCESS BRIDE AS WELL!!?!!?!?!!!??!??
I felt like i was the only one who got that reference lol
"What if you are right above me, so we align vertically (I know I heard it wrong, I was cooking in the kitchen)". This sure grabbed my attention and made me drop what I'm working on to get to my laptop lol.
yeah that price point is hilarious! I have a 3D TV and will stick to the glasses. 55 inch and does a better job regarding refresh rate and that is from something from 2011!!!!
My favorite 3D monitor was made by iZ3D. It used 2 IPS panels stacked on top of one another where the top display was almost transparent. It used passive 3D glasses and made game so much more immersive like Gears of War where the cobwebs jumped out of the screen. The 2 big issues was no HDCP support and it wasn't 1080p. They were supposed to launch a 27" version that has HDCP support and was 1080p but they shut down before that. Also since it used 2 displays, your GPU needed at least 2 outputs. No SLI or Crossfire support either. Really loved that monitor.Also only ATI/AMD GPUs were supported out of the box and you had to buy the NVIDIA version of the iZ3D drivers. Really miss being able to use it in 3D. Also 2 people could experience 3D at the same time.
As a VR user, this tech has WAY more potential than VR. VR is a completely new medium with new games and software full of compromises, whereas glassless 3D is just a straight upgrade over standard screens. Do not confuse this with using clunky 3D-glasses with batteries. Wearable devices come with HUGE compromises, they are just not convenient, they get incompatible with headphones, glasses etc, a glassless 3D screen just works and has none of those problems.
It's only a matter of software support, and we got that going with upscalers, raytracing, variable refresh rate etc. Software tech-wise it's also very simple, there no need to account for different VR headsets, different FOV, warping for unique lenses, different controllers, you simply need to be able to render 2 point of views with an offset, that's all. It might be computationally expensive though, so it's more of a premium feature like raytracing. Except that unlike raytracing, depth perception is an actual advantage in some types of gameplay.
Autostereoscopy, which i have been hoping to take off for the longest time. This has been around for a while. I had the HTC Evo 3D in 2012 and I was hoping for the tech to move onto tvs and displays as mainstream. Maybe it will become more widespread now.
Best segue so far!
I still wait for the day where linus drives an actual segway to the actual sponsor
Google thought your typo needed a translation.
@@balsalmalberto8086 I can't tell if you're joking or not
@@unorevers7160 A real life, custom RGB segway
@@XPISigmaArt I'm dead serious. Google wants to translate your comment into English.
Ah, I miss the novelty of WoW in 3D Vision. Not great for raiding, but when I was doing the chill stuff it was fun to have on.
9:26 LMAOOO I literally had a issue like that with Unity a bit back.
They didn't offset the player reflection probe by the height of the character on the up/downward axis💀
It's a easy fix and it costs nothing to move a realtime reflection probe, it's already a realtime reflection probe lol
Shout out to the camera person and editors for all the PoV changes in this one. That was fun and I liked it.
i feel like the title of the video could have been about a 3d monitor and people would still click just as much. "NVIDIA Wouldn’t Let Me Cover This" only refers to the first like 2 minuets of the video.
love glasses free 3D, might have to look into this, for now I have my lume pad 2
Nintendo figured this out a decade ago to make a game about a fat plumber
actually they ripped off the tech from its original inventor, but yeah, it isn't new
I'm so ready for stereoscopic 3D to make a comeback. Miss my 3D Vision setup everyday.
Imagine the possibilities of this for research...
it is fun to see where VR is now compared to 1996 when i was working with a class mate on a vr lab in college. I would love to see a new version of decent on modern VR gear.
Hello Mario
bye luigi
Hello little stylus!
I will never forget playing World Of Warcraft in 3DVision for the first time.
And Im not going to lie, I have never had an experience that wowed me as much as that did as far as the sheer DEPTH. Even VR doesnt feel like I am looking vastly into the distance.
I loved the 3d effect on 3ds, I hope we can have things like this cheaper in the future
I researched lenticular 3D screens to see if they’d be effective in museums, especially for drawing in younger audiences. While they’re undeniably cool and offer a unique visual experience, our findings suggested they might not be a big enough attraction on their own to make people seek them out. Plus, the eye fatigue varies quite a bit between individuals and can actually be more intense than with a VR headset. It’s definitely a fun, memorable experience, but more of a novelty-great for a quick look, not really something you'd want for daily use at home.
“Did you receive an eye injury due to 3d effect monitors ? You may be entitled to compensation”
i remember having an old agp gpu with 3d capabilities, that thing turned any display into 3d without the need for glasses. it was amazing