I met Owen backstage at a house show in hartford around 94-95. I was like 10 or 11yrs old. He was wicked nice to me even though he was kinda playing a heel on tv. I'll never forget it and unfortunately I'll never forget the night I was watching the ppv when he passed. My sister couldn't believe it, thought it was a storyline til we saw it on the news in the AM. RIP Owen
I watched Over the Edge and I remember when Jim said he fell and I knew from his tone that Owen was in bad shape. My boys were there too and when King sat down, I said, "Owen's dead. Let's pray for him and his family." We did. A group of teens from 18-15 who were normally tough guys trying not to cry. I couldn't enjoy the PPV. I watched it, but it was the quietest we'd ever been.
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I had the same reaction. At first, i thought that it was technical difficulties, but as time wore on, Jim Ross got *really serious.* He kept saying that "This is not part of the entertainment tonight. This is as real as real can be here." That's when i knew it was a real-life situation. When i saw that Jerry Lawler had returned to the announcer table on air i knew it was bad, Jerry said somberly "it doesn't look good at all." Anyway, after the incident, the event was halted for 15 minutes, until Vince McMahon and other WWF Corporate officials decided to continue the event. Soon after Jim Ross said "Here at Kansas City, tragedy befell the World Wrestling Federation and all of us. Owen Hart was set to make an entrance from the ceiling, and he fell from the ceiling. And I have the unfortunate responsibility to let everyone know that Owen Hart has died. Owen Hart has tragically died from that accident here tonight." That's something i'll still remember for a long time.
I genuinely can’t get over the fact that there is a TH-cam channel with JR running down full PPV’s and big incidents in wrestling history and there is only 20k views and 30k subs, mind is blown
1st off they only started with partial clips on a certain topic, a teaser. The whole session this is new, far as releasing on youtube. They just relaxed the push to get more people to the streaming site and pay sites. Why I cant answer but ive been watching these videos a few years and it used to be very rare to get a whole session free on you tube.
I literally thought the same thing. This page should have 100’s of thousand followers. Especially to us wrestling fans that paid attention to most of these things but never really had insight
Unless you are "looking" for this content. Its not known. I haven't watched wrestling since the early 2000's. Heck I thought John Cena was just an actor thats how out of the loop I am with the wrestling business. Personally I only found JRs podcast because I watched a random Jim Cornette rant video and JRs channel came up as a "you might like this as well" suggestion. Since I gotten hours and hours of entertainment lisening to JR talk about wrestling from my childhood. Point is there is no real good way of marketing this type of content on TH-cam unless you are already on TH-cam for this type of content.
I watched Over The Edge live at my friends house, and I have never watched any of the matches back. I just can't.. I can't even begin to imagine how hard it was for JR to talk about this again.
This is great. And including the show transcript is over the top awesome. Thank you! Such a sad sad story but it’s important to remember and learn from.
I just re-watch the episode of Raw after all these years yesterday... I'm still in disbelief and the sadness will never go away! WE LOVE YOU AND MISS YOU OWEN HART 💔
owen hart was out there doing moonsalts and standing drop kicks 10 yrs before they caught on. he was so good that his absence will set wrestling back 10 yrs
@@6ixsidemafia789 i meant within the wwf...he had a style that nobody else in the wwf had when he first started....but yeah i think he could have been the next pat patterson as far as being an agent assuming they wouldnt run him off with poor booking and bad writing
@@6ixsidemafia789 nah Marc Royer knows his wrestling he doing many things even before Shawn Micheal in USA and was hell on freestyle mat wrestler and high fly he chould do it all
Great episode. I was a WCW guy during this time so I knew of Owen but wasn't familiar. This was the most detailed timeline of events from that day, that I've heard. RIP Owen.
You can hear the hurt in JR's voice recounting this incident in his mind as he tells it. All the much more respect for the man who is clearly in pain revisiting this. It's important Owen Hart's story lives on and we're educated on all details that the WWE probably prefers we forget. This was not a freak accident.
Explain to me why the wwf( at the time) would purposely fucking kill someone? Fucking ratings? Jesus christ dude. Get real you clown. I'm by no means a mark for Vince or wwe but there is no fucking way that company would be like "ya know what would make for Greta TV? Let's fucking kill someone
I loved this tribute to Owen. It was a great breakdown from JR. I thought Conrad did a great job of giving JR the proper platform to tell us what happened from his point of view. I got chills as he was describing what happened that led to Owens death. If you guys watched the Dark Side of the Ring on Owens death, it showed the part where JR said Martha was vindictive (I know she is grieving) but that was the first time she was on Camera talking about that night 22 years ago. It feels like Martha was upset that Vince wanted to finish the show. Its like Jr said you were damned if you and damned if you didnt.
I’m from the U.K. so I used to have to tape the PPVs as they used to play from 1am - 4am local time. In all the time that I was watching wrestling the only PPV that failed to record for whatever reason was that one. I never went back to watch it, but I learned what had happened that following morning and then from seeing the goodbyes on Raw. JR’s off the cuff remarks whilst that horrific scene was unfolding has to make him one of the best broadcasters of all time. To see his friend like that, and have the poise and composure to update the fans in that way - there are probably only a handful of people who could do that. Rest in Peace Owen.
this might sound weird but I remember this like it was yesterday .The mood of the whole show switched. you can tell JR and The King was devastated after Owen's a accident. The Wrestlers in the matches wasn't into it. It was just crazy. God Bless the non living and rest easy Owen.
I'm new to the podcast (3 weeks), but now I listen to it every day at work. Yall do a helluva job. Grew up with a good friend, and we used to imitate JR and Lawler. Took me a couple of episodes to come around on Conner (Go Gators) but not bad for a Bama fan.
Yep it feels like it was just last week. What is truly sad is Owen loved wrestling but his dream was to finish that run and teach kids, he was very close to retiring. He would not have resigned another contract, all for a stupid stunt that had no meaning
This is heart breaking. Something else that is heart breaking is the “dark sides of the ring “ episode on this. They show evidence photos that were taken after the show. Of the catwalk looking down, the ring with blood on it. I just wanted to cry when I saw that.
I think the blood was actually fake blood used earlier for the Brood’s “bloodbath” on the Hardy’s. Still a very tragic night I remember watching it live (on scrambled tv) and freaking out bad.
I've read it said over and over about this situation including by Owen's wife but I'll repeat it as the fact it is: that ring was a crime scene and should have been treated as one. It may be the only way Vince got away with this and the rigger got away with this.
'He's dead. And you're back in ten'. That is so callous. I will never forget the Jarrett/Debra interview - they should have never been pushed out there. Everyone must have realized that you just don't survive a fall like that. I really hope this weighs on Vince Russo, even if he never owns up to it publically.
He's such a weasely fucking liar dude. I just now watched his clip with Roddy Piper where Piper asks him if he knew that Owen wasn't comfortable with it and he pretends like it's big news to him. "if he'd have told me I would have said "cool end of story" and he wouldn't have had to do it. The problem is EVERYONE knows that "management jargon" basically you refuse too many of their requests you get less and less work and Owen knew that. But I get why he's doing it. I really think he's probably lying to himself as well bc otherwise the guilt would eat him alive
I feel so bad for JR , the king and all the people that were there that night that witnessed Owens accident. Unfortunately I don't remember this night as I was born less than a year prior in October of 98. But from all the stories I've heard and videos I've watched on Owen, he sounded like an amazing nice funny guy that I only wish I could have had the privilege to meet in person or even watch wrestle live. Today would actually be Owens 58th birthday. Happy birthday Owen and rest in peace brother. 💔🙏
You can hear JR breaking up; while Conrad is reading everyone's account of what happened. I enjoy the info, but hate the fact that JR has to relive One of the worst moment of his life. I hope that this helps him to let go of the negative and no longer take it with him. Peace to you JR & Owen Hart.
Owen definitely should be in the hall of fame. One of the greatest in ring performers ever. Rest in peace and paradise Owen Hart and God bless oge and Martha Hart and his other children.
I'm going to seek out Bret and Owen's classic Cage Match now. I stopped watching wrestling around 2006 (After Eddie's death, which was hard, but before Benoit's whole situation) but even now at 35, I hear these interviews and I am fascinated with it because wrestling was such a big part of my childhood. The nostalgia for wrestling is still very much there. I remember begging my mother to let me spend that Monday night at my friend Fernando's house because we didn't have Cable and I knew Monday Night Raw was going to be a tribute show to Owen.
Lol, same age as you I been to MAINA 13, several go home Raws to Wrestlmaina.The best was with my dad WCW at the United Center it was a house show seen Chris ,Eddie, Rey,Mr. Perfect,the main event was HOGAN v FlAIR 3 ROWS FROM RING.HAPPY NEW YEAR
There will never be another owen in sports entertainment. In the words of owen i am not a nugget lol. Rip blue blazer never gonnabe forgotten and thank you for the memories,blessung us with your talent and sense of humor. How sweet that it would've been with owen having multiple reign as wwf champion b4 that accident. He really had the charisma and everything else to gl with it
Owen Hart was supposed to win the Intercontinental title from The Godfather at the Over The Edge Paper-View event back in May 23rd, 1999. I think Owen Hart had said to his wife he was afraid to do this stunt and his wife said if you are uncomfortable don't do it or something. It's in the DVD documentary "The Life and Death of Owen Hart". Bret Hart also talked about Owen Hart not wanting to do the stunt but somehow got convinced and Hart said sometimes they put pressure on wrestlers in a subtle way and he said "he was supposed to win the Intercontinental Championship title which would've have been a big boost to his career..." The interview Bret Hart gave was back in 2000 to Jim Rome.
Agreed. He had done the harness gimmick before, but using the safe mode of harness. They were using a quick release harness that night that should have never been used. Owen had a feeling that it might not be safe, which is why he didn't want to do a rehearsal earlier that day. If only he'd refused to do it that way. So what if he didn't do it, what's the worst thing that could have happened?? He gets fired. So what?? He was good enough to get another job.
@@mrkipling2201I don't see why he couldn't just glide down from the top of the Titantron in a safe harness and have someone unhook him as Godfather makes his entrance.
01:24:15 Imagine having the count of 10 to process the tragic death of your friend, realise that it's up to you to announce it to the world and then come up with the best words to say. Gutwrenching.
Absolutely sobbing! Bless JR & King to be in that position too... I remember watching this PPV. I’ve since watched Martha’s view and changing the clip they used. Etc. God bless you OWEN what a tragedy that should never have happened. Sobbing listening to this podcast 💔
Absolutely. They were in a very difficult spot not only announcing his death with so much respect and sorrow but also continuing to try and make the PPV entertaining. 🤠 🤴💔
There was obviously a reason why Owen didn’t want to do a rehearsal of the stunt earlier in the day or do it full stop tbh. They basically emotionally blackmailed or guilt tripped Owen into doing it. They could see that he was uncomfortable with the idea of doing it. If that’s the case then as JR said, don’t do it!! Bloody hell !! Hindsight is wonderful but I wish he would have told them to shove the stunt up their arse.
JR becomes this story. The words he chooses are those of a man who witnessed mortality and has contemplated that moments realness for a long time. You can’t unsee the viciousness of life. I feel bad for JR just as much as Owens family. He might not have been family, it is was clear Owen was particular special to JR.
Yup. Owen vs Eddie. Or Benoit (I know he’s a monster, but a hell of a wrestler in his day). Or Michaels. The Ruthless Aggression era pushed guys for their wrestling skills alone. Owen would have fit in so well.
There was actually Owen v Kurt matches but it was when Kurt was starting out. No doubt it would have been an budding rivalry down the road Edit: apologies, commented while listening to video and realising they bring it up 😂
I really believe that JR. Was the conscience and the heart and soul of the WWE and when he left so did the heart of that company. He truly cared about the boys that work there I don't believe anyone there today gives a crap about what happens to their guys when they are of retirement age.
What I don't understand is when Owen loses the tag team championships to Kane & X-pac because Owen didn't go for the intercontinental or European title. Instead of having that rivalry with the outlaws and val venis & the godfather where owen seemed like a jobber.
1:30:50. They needed to finish the show... and I guarantee you Owen WOULDN'T OF WANTED THE PPV to just end and I believe their is a shootview with Bret Hart talking about this very issue and I think Bret said that it was the right thing to do for them to finish the show and not to just end it and send everyone home.
Another thing that was so striking about this whole thing was Owen was a heel at the time, he was nicknamed the nugget...but the next night on RAW at the tribute show...the turnaround in his popularity was remarkable. I understand most ppl become more loved when they pass on...but with Owen it was on a totally different level. EVERY fan cheered passionately. It was literally as if they had so much pent-up affection for him & they had wanted to cheer him the months prior but never got the chance. And boy that night they let it out! It was an outpouring and it was special.
@@sleazyfellow yeah exactly. All these leople are total bullahitters tryinh to put themselves over even years after the fact. All writinh in their books etc abput how devestated they were and didnt knkw if they could do their match etc yet not ONE person refused to go out and do their match. If it was really someone u loved and cared for genuinely they wouldn't have gone out simple as that! It wasnt even as if he was hurt & they thought he was at hospital at that point but rather they KNEW he just DIED! Would JR really have continuee kn with the commmentary if his jan was in owens place, imagine she was jnvolved in the show and died ... yeah right so he would or if it was brian christopher jerry the king lawlers son he'd have continued on. Or someone wlses brother pe whater like if bret was there, he'd have left with him in the ambulence. So dont give us this bs about "owen would have wanted us to go on" it doesnt matter either way the right thing to do was to stop the show! And dont bs us with all the so devestated that i didnt know whether could go on or not. As i say if they cared that much they simply wouldn't have. Id have much more respect if they just said "i was very sad to hear owen died, my thoughts went out to his family but i wasnt that close to owen as in like the way i feel about family or a friend i see outside the business all the time & he was my best friend and loved him like a brother for instance or anything so i did go ln with the show. Perhaps it would have been the right thing to do if the boss called the show off and we all would have gone home but he didnt do i went on with mh job. However had it been my wife or a family member or a best friend who i loved then yes i wouldn't have gone on with it, even if the boss wanted me to. Id have said no this human being is more important to me" bjt olease dont give us thua bullshit about how devestated u were and it was the hardest thing u had to do, u battled over whether to go on with it or not, u loved owen bla bla bla obviously u didn't or you would NOT have gone on. They are just trying to get themselves over as looking like they were so hurt by his death & he would have wanted them to carry on . Yeah so he would...he would want to be scraped off the mat carried out like trash, thrown away and ding ding ding on wlth the next match! Like he never existed... come on. Stop trying to cover up for your lack of conscience JR and others at the time! All the exaggerated, fake devestation now years later is just to cover up the cold, lack of empathy at the time!
I supported all of Martha's decisions but she lost me when I learned that she wouldn't let Stu or Helen or any of the other Harts see Owen's kids. So sad that this tragedy tore the family apart making an awful situation even worse.
1:55:00 What JR said about the stunt. Is exactly what Cornette has been saying. "Let's just make wrestling funny." Have max minny strapped to Owen. It has crippled the business.
I was there the night this tragedy happened, at the time of the fall I was sitting alongside of the ramp to see the Titantron better ( I’m in a wheelchair) and only heard the fall. When the lights came on, by the time I rolled in my normal spot to see the ring better he was already surrounded by a couple people yelling for help. Some thought it was a work but I knew something was wrong and something was badly wrong. Within seconds it seemed EMTs began working on him. I knew it wasn’t good , especially when they transported Owen out and his eyes were wide open and he was unresponsive while being worked on.
This still makes me cry ill never forget finding out . I still can't wait that ppv on peacock to this day I know they edited it but just knowing its so hard to watch.
I think Martha is wrong and being selfish. She hates wrestling and wrestling fans is trying to erase his legacy because she believes that we don't deserve to care about him or remember him, and she is trying to erase him from the wrestling world because she never respected his career and never respected his accomplishments. She wants to erase Owen Hart the wrestlers to keep his memory all to herself and to not allow him the accolades and respect he deserves due to her own grudges. She isn't the only one that lost Owen. The entire world did, but she doesn't understand that. She is a disingenuous, two-faced bloodsucker using her loss as fuel for a petty grudge, nothing more.
@@dingdong-lt9rz People like that guy only use Owen's memory to shield their selfish pleasures. There is the WWE Network, TH-cam & DVDs where his matches can be watched. WWE's internet page of fame is only driven by greed & profit. These people are despicable.
You no matter how much unfortunate tragedy has been discussed. Whats also partially disturbing and forgotten was the show's name became ultimate lost pun "over the edge"
It is sad that they had Owen Heart and they tried to make him a Sting rip off. WWE couldn't match the heat WCW had at the time so they tried to copy it. Owen was already a star he didn't need a gimmick.
AMAZING interview. Really appreciate these. Can't wait to listen to more. But man, I've GOT TO KNOW: was the squeaking a regular desk chair and one of you was rotating around, a door opening and closing or a rocking chair?!? Also I got the Petticoat Junction reference!
This is part of the reason I dislike the entertainment side of wrestling and am more partial to the athletics side. Owen's death was completely needless, way too many unnecessary risks get taken in the industry and for nothing.
@@melissawright1979 who would have criticized Vince stopping a fake tv show when someone just died for real? Jr literally said wrestlers were not right backstage.
Besides the Chris Benoit tragedy, this is the most saddest incident in wrestling. I can’t imagine how extremely horrified Owen must’ve felt when the quick release opened and him being so high up in the air. It sends a chill down my spine. How anyone was able to continue the show after that is beyond me. I wouldn’t be able to think straight if that happened to someone who was close to me.
Yep. JR was probably using a crappy plug and play headset instead of a decent recording mic {as this was done at home and not studio}. Sounds like Walmart $20 logitech special lol.
Great episode but whats with the creaky door? Who’s going in and out of the room while you fellas are recording this? I hate to say it but that is the most interesting part of this video. Care to explain? Perhaps Owen was ribbing you guys. 😂
My dad didn't like wrestling but he still let me control the remote Monday nights. He would randomly comment on it every blue moon. I remember one of those moments was when I flipped to WCW and the Oklahoma character was on. He just said "Oh fuck them that's classless". Not sure who thought that was a good idea at WCW but it was a huge mistake
I was watching that PPV with my friend. We didn’t care about any of those matches. We would have gladly lost the money we paid for that PPV if WWE decided to end the PPV.
I remember that night. My sister and I were watching. It changed us forever. Love you all. And by you all you already know you already know and if you don't know. We miss you Owen Chyna and Droz. Droz should be involved in commentary somehow. We grew in the best of times and the worst of times simultaneously. personally I'm glad Werastling was there in my darkest times and I imagine y'all appreciate people being there for yalls worsts. We're there for each other.
I explicitly remember watching raw the next night to see if it was real and not an angle. Mind you we were teenagers at the time and I can sum it up in two words. It sucked. Jr and Lawler were so respectible. I've seen people die, there aren't many short ways to say it sucked without sounding like a consierge if you say goodnight sweet prince. Should have just shut the show down. I agree with JR. It would be the most respectable thing to do. No negatives in the carryon. Much Appreciation.
I met Owen backstage at a house show in hartford around 94-95. I was like 10 or 11yrs old. He was wicked nice to me even though he was kinda playing a heel on tv. I'll never forget it and unfortunately I'll never forget the night I was watching the ppv when he passed. My sister couldn't believe it, thought it was a storyline til we saw it on the news in the AM. RIP Owen
This was a tough listen. I remember watching this on the TV with my young brother, were both absolutely gutted. Owen Hart, you ARE a legend.
Coming back to this. This is one of the most important podcasts JR has done.
“The show must go on”
starts at 1:00:48
Thanks for that, I really wanted to hear JR's detailed take on this. Much obliged mate.
Thank you!
Thanks. I hate they start the TOPIC so late
Thank you
@@jonfranks6902 I thought it was educational to hear about the topics before the main topic of Owen's last night alive...
I watched Over the Edge and I remember when Jim said he fell and I knew from his tone that Owen was in bad shape. My boys were there too and when King sat down, I said, "Owen's dead. Let's pray for him and his family." We did. A group of teens from 18-15 who were normally tough guys trying not to cry. I couldn't enjoy the PPV. I watched it, but it was the quietest we'd ever been.
Thanks for sharing, brother.
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I had the same reaction. At first, i thought that it was technical difficulties, but as time wore on, Jim Ross got *really serious.* He kept saying that "This is not part of the entertainment tonight. This is as real as real can be here." That's when i knew it was a real-life situation. When i saw that Jerry Lawler had returned to the announcer table on air i knew it was bad, Jerry said somberly "it doesn't look good at all." Anyway, after the incident, the event was halted for 15 minutes, until Vince McMahon and other WWF Corporate officials decided to continue the event. Soon after Jim Ross said "Here at Kansas City, tragedy befell the World Wrestling Federation and all of us. Owen Hart was set to make an entrance from the ceiling, and he fell from the ceiling. And I have the unfortunate responsibility to let everyone know that Owen Hart has died. Owen Hart has tragically died from that accident here tonight." That's something i'll still remember for a long time.
I think maybe my reaction was because Jim Ross kept saying that it was "not part of the entertainment" implying that it was real.
thank you for your feedback on this horrible moment .. Amen to your family and keep your chin up
I genuinely can’t get over the fact that there is a TH-cam channel with JR running down full PPV’s and big incidents in wrestling history and there is only 20k views and 30k subs, mind is blown
1st off they only started with partial clips on a certain topic, a teaser. The whole session this is new, far as releasing on youtube. They just relaxed the push to get more people to the streaming site and pay sites. Why I cant answer but ive been watching these videos a few years and it used to be very rare to get a whole session free on you tube.
I literally thought the same thing. This page should have 100’s of thousand followers. Especially to us wrestling fans that paid attention to most of these things but never really had insight
Best thing that’s happened to me in 2020 was finding these podcasts
Unless you are "looking" for this content. Its not known. I haven't watched wrestling since the early 2000's. Heck I thought John Cena was just an actor thats how out of the loop I am with the wrestling business. Personally I only found JRs podcast because I watched a random Jim Cornette rant video and JRs channel came up as a "you might like this as well" suggestion. Since I gotten hours and hours of entertainment lisening to JR talk about wrestling from my childhood. Point is there is no real good way of marketing this type of content on TH-cam unless you are already on TH-cam for this type of content.
Channel is pretty new only 1 year old, he will blow up more, but you are right this channel is GOLD
I love how candid and open JR always is, I think he would be fun to just hang with for a night and hear his stories.
I agree bro
Oh for sure, but id need more than one night.. Id need a weekend at minimum and that wouldn't even scratch the surface of Good Ole JR stories!!🙌🙌👌👍👍❤
I watched Over The Edge live at my friends house, and I have never watched any of the matches back. I just can't.. I can't even begin to imagine how hard it was for JR to talk about this again.
This is great. And including the show transcript is over the top awesome. Thank you!
Such a sad sad story but it’s important to remember and learn from.
"This is real as real can get" Jerry Lawler looked sad and can hear JR talking as the camera goes around the crowd
I just re-watch the episode of Raw after all these years yesterday... I'm still in disbelief and the sadness will never go away! WE LOVE YOU AND MISS YOU OWEN HART 💔
owen hart was out there doing moonsalts and standing drop kicks 10 yrs before they caught on. he was so good that his absence will set wrestling back 10 yrs
@@6ixsidemafia789 i meant within the wwf...he had a style that nobody else in the wwf had when he first started....but yeah i think he could have been the next pat patterson as far as being an agent assuming they wouldnt run him off with poor booking and bad writing
@@6ixsidemafia789 nah Marc Royer knows his wrestling he doing many things even before Shawn Micheal in USA and was hell on freestyle mat wrestler and high fly he chould do it all
@@6ixsidemafia789 you're an idiot. You completely missed the point.
Great episode. I was a WCW guy during this time so I knew of Owen but wasn't familiar. This was the most detailed timeline of events from that day, that I've heard. RIP Owen.
RIP Owen Hart, much love!!! 🤜🤛
His jumping 180 degrees off the top rope and a backflip no one before and no one has done it since
You can hear the hurt in JR's voice recounting this incident in his mind as he tells it. All the much more respect for the man who is clearly in pain revisiting this. It's important Owen Hart's story lives on and we're educated on all details that the WWE probably prefers we forget. This was not a freak accident.
Explain to me why the wwf( at the time) would purposely fucking kill someone? Fucking ratings? Jesus christ dude. Get real you clown. I'm by no means a mark for Vince or wwe but there is no fucking way that company would be like "ya know what would make for Greta TV? Let's fucking kill someone
I loved this tribute to Owen. It was a great breakdown from JR. I thought Conrad did a great job of giving JR the proper platform to tell us what happened from his point of view. I got chills as he was describing what happened that led to Owens death. If you guys watched the Dark Side of the Ring on Owens death, it showed the part where JR said Martha was vindictive (I know she is grieving) but that was the first time she was on Camera talking about that night 22 years ago. It feels like Martha was upset that Vince wanted to finish the show. Its like Jr said you were damned if you and damned if you didnt.
I’m from the U.K. so I used to have to tape the PPVs as they used to play from 1am - 4am local time. In all the time that I was watching wrestling the only PPV that failed to record for whatever reason was that one.
I never went back to watch it, but I learned what had happened that following morning and then from seeing the goodbyes on Raw.
JR’s off the cuff remarks whilst that horrific scene was unfolding has to make him one of the best broadcasters of all time. To see his friend like that, and have the poise and composure to update the fans in that way - there are probably only a handful of people who could do that.
Rest in Peace Owen.
🇬🇧 UK brother
Such a tragic story all around. Big props to JR for taking about it despite him being reluctant to revisit that tragic day.
Thank you Conrad and Jim
Not an easy listen because I hated it for you Jim and everyone involved. Hope you have a great 2021
Thank you JR for speaking this information out loud.
Many of us just want to know the truth so we can have peace about the loss of our favorite hero.
this might sound weird but I remember this like it was yesterday .The mood of the whole show switched. you can tell JR and The King was devastated after Owen's a accident. The Wrestlers in the matches wasn't into it. It was just crazy. God Bless the non living and rest easy Owen.
I'm new to the podcast (3 weeks), but now I listen to it every day at work. Yall do a helluva job. Grew up with a good friend, and we used to imitate JR and Lawler. Took me a couple of episodes to come around on Conner (Go Gators) but not bad for a Bama fan.
Yep it feels like it was just last week. What is truly sad is Owen loved wrestling but his dream was to finish that run and teach kids, he was very close to retiring. He would not have resigned another contract, all for a stupid stunt that had no meaning
This is heart breaking. Something else that is heart breaking is the “dark sides of the ring “ episode on this. They show evidence photos that were taken after the show. Of the catwalk looking down, the ring with blood on it. I just wanted to cry when I saw that.
I think the blood was actually fake blood used earlier for the Brood’s “bloodbath” on the Hardy’s. Still a very tragic night I remember watching it live (on scrambled tv) and freaking out bad.
I saw that too. It's bloody awful x
@@matthewsmith3078 there was no bloodbath match at over the edge tho . not sure where this came from
@@garylennon5115 - Sunday night heat free for all.
I've read it said over and over about this situation including by Owen's wife but I'll repeat it as the fact it is: that ring was a crime scene and should have been treated as one. It may be the only way Vince got away with this and the rigger got away with this.
'He's dead. And you're back in ten'. That is so callous.
I will never forget the Jarrett/Debra interview - they should have never been pushed out there.
Everyone must have realized that you just don't survive a fall like that.
I really hope this weighs on Vince Russo, even if he never owns up to it publically.
Vince Russo killed Owen
I would have freaked out if I heard that in my earpiece x
Russo for a fair but, Vince Mcmahon for the most part for Owen's death.
Kevin Dunne is a cold hearted human.
He's such a weasely fucking liar dude. I just now watched his clip with Roddy Piper where Piper asks him if he knew that Owen wasn't comfortable with it and he pretends like it's big news to him. "if he'd have told me I would have said "cool end of story" and he wouldn't have had to do it. The problem is EVERYONE knows that "management jargon" basically you refuse too many of their requests you get less and less work and Owen knew that. But I get why he's doing it. I really think he's probably lying to himself as well bc otherwise the guilt would eat him alive
That rusty screen door needs some WD-40.
Lol that bitch was screamin
Reminds me of my ankles and knees every morning
@@Jbobloochjr3 exactly. Don't get old. lol
@@braddockakalatis2 or run marathons/ half marathons lol
Have a great weekend and hope rest of 2020 is good for you
@@Jbobloochjr3 Same 2 u!
Rest in Peace Owen Hart.......
To save y'all all the bs Owen talk starts off at 1:01:00
Thanks so much
You sir are a hero. Thank you.
Wait what? What do they talk about for an entire hour then??
@@billblaski9523 + They yammered about lots of things, including the Over The Edge PPV.
There's a place in heaven for people like you
I feel so bad for JR , the king and all the people that were there that night that witnessed Owens accident. Unfortunately I don't remember this night as I was born less than a year prior in October of 98. But from all the stories I've heard and videos I've watched on Owen, he sounded like an amazing nice funny guy that I only wish I could have had the privilege to meet in person or even watch wrestle live. Today would actually be Owens 58th birthday. Happy birthday Owen and rest in peace brother. 💔🙏
You can hear JR breaking up; while Conrad is reading everyone's account of what happened. I enjoy the info, but hate the fact that JR has to relive One of the worst moment of his life. I hope that this helps him to let go of the negative and no longer take it with him. Peace to you JR & Owen Hart.
Owen definitely should be in the hall of fame. One of the greatest in ring performers ever. Rest in peace and paradise Owen Hart and God bless oge and Martha Hart and his other children.
Martha will never let them put Owen in their HOF. She’s been quite clear about that.
I'm going to seek out Bret and Owen's classic Cage Match now. I stopped watching wrestling around 2006 (After Eddie's death, which was hard, but before Benoit's whole situation) but even now at 35, I hear these interviews and I am fascinated with it because wrestling was such a big part of my childhood. The nostalgia for wrestling is still very much there. I remember begging my mother to let me spend that Monday night at my friend Fernando's house because we didn't have Cable and I knew Monday Night Raw was going to be a tribute show to Owen.
Lol, same age as you I been to MAINA 13, several go home Raws to Wrestlmaina.The best was with my dad WCW at the United Center it was a house show seen Chris ,Eddie, Rey,Mr. Perfect,the main event was HOGAN v FlAIR 3 ROWS FROM RING.HAPPY NEW YEAR
There will never be another owen in sports entertainment. In the words of owen i am not a nugget lol. Rip blue blazer never gonnabe forgotten and thank you for the memories,blessung us with your talent and sense of humor. How sweet that it would've been with owen having multiple reign as wwf champion b4 that accident. He really had the charisma and everything else to gl with it
RIP Owen Hart 😎 thanks for opening up on such a tragedy, J.R
1:00:00 mark is when they start talking about Owen
Owen Hart was supposed to win the Intercontinental title from The Godfather at the Over The Edge Paper-View event back in May 23rd, 1999. I think Owen Hart had said to his wife he was afraid to do this stunt and his wife said if you are uncomfortable don't do it or something. It's in the DVD documentary "The Life and Death of Owen Hart". Bret Hart also talked about Owen Hart not wanting to do the stunt but somehow got convinced and Hart said sometimes they put pressure on wrestlers in a subtle way and he said "he was supposed to win the Intercontinental Championship title which would've have been a big boost to his career..." The interview Bret Hart gave was back in 2000 to Jim Rome.
Agreed. He had done the harness gimmick before, but using the safe mode of harness. They were using a quick release harness that night that should have never been used. Owen had a feeling that it might not be safe, which is why he didn't want to do a rehearsal earlier that day. If only he'd refused to do it that way. So what if he didn't do it, what's the worst thing that could have happened?? He gets fired. So what?? He was good enough to get another job.
@@mrkipling2201I don't see why he couldn't just glide down from the top of the Titantron in a safe harness and have someone unhook him as Godfather makes his entrance.
Link to documentary
01:24:15 Imagine having the count of 10 to process the tragic death of your friend, realise that it's up to you to announce it to the world and then come up with the best words to say. Gutwrenching.
1:44:34 it is sad 😢 rip owen Hart one of the best wrestlers of all time
Absolutely sobbing! Bless JR & King to be in that position too... I remember watching this PPV. I’ve since watched Martha’s view and changing the clip they used. Etc. God bless you OWEN what a tragedy that should never have happened. Sobbing listening to this podcast 💔
Absolutely. They were in a very difficult spot not only announcing his death with so much respect and sorrow but also continuing to try and make the PPV entertaining. 🤠 🤴💔
LONGLIVEOWEN 🖤 Never Forgotten 🙏🏾
There was obviously a reason why Owen didn’t want to do a rehearsal of the stunt earlier in the day or do it full stop tbh. They basically emotionally blackmailed or guilt tripped Owen into doing it. They could see that he was uncomfortable with the idea of doing it. If that’s the case then as JR said, don’t do it!! Bloody hell !! Hindsight is wonderful but I wish he would have told them to shove the stunt up their arse.
JR becomes this story. The words he chooses are those of a man who witnessed mortality and has contemplated that moments realness for a long time.
You can’t unsee the viciousness of life.
I feel bad for JR just as much as Owens family.
He might not have been family, it is was clear Owen was particular special to JR.
What I'd give to have seen that Kurt Angle vs Owen Hart match. RIP big fella.
Yup. Owen vs Eddie. Or Benoit (I know he’s a monster, but a hell of a wrestler in his day). Or Michaels. The Ruthless Aggression era pushed guys for their wrestling skills alone. Owen would have fit in so well.
There was actually Owen v Kurt matches but it was when Kurt was starting out. No doubt it would have been an budding rivalry down the road
Edit: apologies, commented while listening to video and realising they bring it up 😂
I really believe that JR. Was the conscience and the heart and soul of the WWE and when he left so did the heart of that company. He truly cared about the boys that work there I don't believe anyone there today gives a crap about what happens to their guys when they are of retirement age.
What I don't understand is when Owen loses the tag team championships to Kane & X-pac because Owen didn't go for the intercontinental or European title. Instead of having that rivalry with the outlaws and val venis & the godfather where owen seemed like a jobber.
1:30:50. They needed to finish the show... and I guarantee you Owen WOULDN'T OF WANTED THE PPV to just end and I believe their is a shootview with Bret Hart talking about this very issue and I think Bret said that it was the right thing to do for them to finish the show and not to just end it and send everyone home.
JR is a great talker, I like listening to him 1:54:30
Another thing that was so striking about this whole thing was Owen was a heel at the time, he was nicknamed the nugget...but the next night on RAW at the tribute show...the turnaround in his popularity was remarkable. I understand most ppl become more loved when they pass on...but with Owen it was on a totally different level. EVERY fan cheered passionately. It was literally as if they had so much pent-up affection for him & they had wanted to cheer him the months prior but never got the chance. And boy that night they let it out! It was an outpouring and it was special.
*JR makes clear that he is traumatised by Owen's death*
Other guy: *gives graphic details about Owen's injuries*
Facts are facts
The story has to be told.
@@packpock4369 agree with that, but maybe not the best idea to say it to JR after he states how fucked up he is about it.
If it bothered Jr that much he wouldn't of stayed and called the rest of the show.
@@sleazyfellow yeah exactly. All these leople are total bullahitters tryinh to put themselves over even years after the fact. All writinh in their books etc abput how devestated they were and didnt knkw if they could do their match etc yet not ONE person refused to go out and do their match. If it was really someone u loved and cared for genuinely they wouldn't have gone out simple as that! It wasnt even as if he was hurt & they thought he was at hospital at that point but rather they KNEW he just DIED! Would JR really have continuee kn with the commmentary if his jan was in owens place, imagine she was jnvolved in the show and died ... yeah right so he would or if it was brian christopher jerry the king lawlers son he'd have continued on. Or someone wlses brother pe whater like if bret was there, he'd have left with him in the ambulence. So dont give us this bs about "owen would have wanted us to go on" it doesnt matter either way the right thing to do was to stop the show! And dont bs us with all the so devestated that i didnt know whether could go on or not. As i say if they cared that much they simply wouldn't have. Id have much more respect if they just said "i was very sad to hear owen died, my thoughts went out to his family but i wasnt that close to owen as in like the way i feel about family or a friend i see outside the business all the time & he was my best friend and loved him like a brother for instance or anything so i did go ln with the show. Perhaps it would have been the right thing to do if the boss called the show off and we all would have gone home but he didnt do i went on with mh job. However had it been my wife or a family member or a best friend who i loved then yes i wouldn't have gone on with it, even if the boss wanted me to. Id have said no this human being is more important to me" bjt olease dont give us thua bullshit about how devestated u were and it was the hardest thing u had to do, u battled over whether to go on with it or not, u loved owen bla bla bla obviously u didn't or you would NOT have gone on. They are just trying to get themselves over as looking like they were so hurt by his death & he would have wanted them to carry on . Yeah so he would...he would want to be scraped off the mat carried out like trash, thrown away and ding ding ding on wlth the next match! Like he never existed... come on. Stop trying to cover up for your lack of conscience JR and others at the time! All the exaggerated, fake devestation now years later is just to cover up the cold, lack of empathy at the time!
I supported all of Martha's decisions but she lost me when I learned that she wouldn't let Stu or Helen or any of the other Harts see Owen's kids. So sad that this tragedy tore the family apart making an awful situation even worse.
Please do a show on summer slam 98’. That was always one of my favorite ppvs and would love to hear jrs and Conrad’s take on it
RIP from a fellow Calgarian Owen.
Jr this was a life tbf in all my years of being a wrestling fan and still to this day never heard a bad word about him rip owen still loved 💚💙
I wouldn't say it was entertaining (in regards for listening pleasure), but it certainly was educational and informative.
1:55:00 What JR said about the stunt. Is exactly what Cornette has been saying. "Let's just make wrestling funny." Have max minny strapped to Owen. It has crippled the business.
Always wondered why the police didn't shut it down. The arena was a crime scene
Jr is very well spoken
I was there the night this tragedy happened, at the time of the fall I was sitting alongside of the ramp to see the Titantron better ( I’m in a wheelchair) and only heard the fall. When the lights came on, by the time I rolled in my normal spot to see the ring better he was already surrounded by a couple people yelling for help. Some thought it was a work but I knew something was wrong and something was badly wrong. Within seconds it seemed EMTs began working on him. I knew it wasn’t good , especially when they transported Owen out and his eyes were wide open and he was unresponsive while being worked on.
never should have went on with that ppv
Lol
Lol
A few years after 1999, someone posted a photo of him in the blue blazer outfit standing on the catwalk. The photo was taken from below it.
22 Years to the day R.I.P
"Over the edge" What a name for this event
Search that name in Google put in 1998 interesting fact and check the month and date too
This still makes me cry ill never forget finding out . I still can't wait that ppv on peacock to this day I know they edited it but just knowing its so hard to watch.
Rest in Peace Owen Hart
Conrad’s work is the most underrated and under appreciated not just in wrestling, but in broadcasting.
I cried through most of this videos especially when they described the accident. 😞😞 RIP you will be missed Owen.
Why would you cry? Owen was white and your hispanic.
I totally agree with Martha. The WWE HOF is just make believe it's not even a place to visit.
I think Martha is wrong and being selfish. She hates wrestling and wrestling fans is trying to erase his legacy because she believes that we don't deserve to care about him or remember him, and she is trying to erase him from the wrestling world because she never respected his career and never respected his accomplishments. She wants to erase Owen Hart the wrestlers to keep his memory all to herself and to not allow him the accolades and respect he deserves due to her own grudges. She isn't the only one that lost Owen. The entire world did, but she doesn't understand that. She is a disingenuous, two-faced bloodsucker using her loss as fuel for a petty grudge, nothing more.
@@dingdong-lt9rz People like that guy only use Owen's memory to shield their selfish pleasures. There is the WWE Network, TH-cam & DVDs where his matches can be watched. WWE's internet page of fame is only driven by greed & profit. These people are despicable.
Disgusting take.
You no matter how much unfortunate tragedy has been discussed. Whats also partially disturbing and forgotten was the show's name became ultimate lost pun "over the edge"
I miss you, Owen. One of the greatest ever ❤
I can't believe the name of the PPV, what a horrible coincidence.
"Lets talk about Shane Douglas"
Why? For crying out loud, why?
I don’t understand how the show was allowed to go on when the ring was a crime scene.
Money. Power. Control.
That's what this world is about. Those of us against it, we get the wrath.
It is sad that they had Owen Heart and they tried to make him a Sting rip off. WWE couldn't match the heat WCW had at the time so they tried to copy it. Owen was already a star he didn't need a gimmick.
AMAZING interview. Really appreciate these. Can't wait to listen to more. But man, I've GOT TO KNOW: was the squeaking a regular desk chair and one of you was rotating around, a door opening and closing or a rocking chair?!? Also I got the Petticoat Junction reference!
Owen Hart will forever be the King Of Hearts. RIP Owen. Gone but never forgotten.
Conrad sounds like a younger JR
This is part of the reason I dislike the entertainment side of wrestling and am more partial to the athletics side. Owen's death was completely needless, way too many unnecessary risks get taken in the industry and for nothing.
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What was Vince thinking allowing the show to continue
It was a tough call to make. No matter what Vince did, he would have been scrutinized for it
@@melissawright1979 who would have criticized Vince stopping a fake tv show when someone just died for real? Jr literally said wrestlers were not right backstage.
Wrestling has never felt the same to me.
Damn. Tough episode to listen to. When they got into it I had crazy anxiety.
Vince McMahon is filmed looking straight up to the rafters 40 minutes before Owen Hart falls. He’s never done that before or since.
God bless Owen
Besides the Chris Benoit tragedy, this is the most saddest incident in wrestling. I can’t imagine how extremely horrified Owen must’ve felt when the quick release opened and him being so high up in the air. It sends a chill down my spine. How anyone was able to continue the show after that is beyond me. I wouldn’t be able to think straight if that happened to someone who was close to me.
He yelled to the ref to move and that was that
The murderer situation is only a tragedy to Nancy and her son.
@Sharaszad Cooke But then again, it was Chris that caused the tragedy.
Rip chris& owen
The Bruiser Brody incident is pretty brutal as well.
God bless Owen Hart Family
So noone else is getten that clicking noise when there talking?? Mainly JR
Yup, thought it was speakers popping but still the same in headphones.
same here I just deal with it lmaooo I thought my speakers were broken
Yep. JR was probably using a crappy plug and play headset instead of a decent recording mic {as this was done at home and not studio}. Sounds like Walmart $20 logitech special lol.
Always happens when Jr talks
when JR talks I can see a vision like movie when he talks👍
The crazy thing about all this is Owen hurt the golden goose of the company.
🥺🥺shouldn’t have ever happened, I can understand when a move goes wrong and someone lands badly but this had no place in the industry.......
R.I.P. Owen 💔🙏🏾
the fact Vince mchmahan just threw JR overboard like he was nothing. thats disgusting.
Owen’s wife refuses to let WWE induct Owen into the hall of fame. What are your thoughts on this?
Imagine how amazing this podcast would be if it was produced right.
Always loved JR. RIP OWEN HART.
Great episode but whats with the creaky door? Who’s going in and out of the room while you fellas are recording this? I hate to say it but that is the most interesting part of this video. Care to explain? Perhaps Owen was ribbing you guys. 😂
Happy birthday Owen
My dad didn't like wrestling but he still let me control the remote Monday nights. He would randomly comment on it every blue moon. I remember one of those moments was when I flipped to WCW and the Oklahoma character was on. He just said "Oh fuck them that's classless". Not sure who thought that was a good idea at WCW but it was a huge mistake
Owen hart was a great person he needs to be in all hall of fame but I understand where his wife come from the company killed him
JR's audio: Pop pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop
Conrad: im going to clean the candy and doritos off my face and record more commercials.
Fuck, there are no words. 😢💔
I was watching that PPV with my friend. We didn’t care about any of those matches. We would have gladly lost the money we paid for that PPV if WWE decided to end the PPV.
He was a human being.
1 minute later.
I'm the voice of the show, I couldn't leave my post.
I remember that night. My sister and I were watching. It changed us forever. Love you all. And by you all you already know you already know and if you don't know. We miss you Owen Chyna and Droz. Droz should be involved in commentary somehow. We grew in the best of times and the worst of times simultaneously. personally I'm glad Werastling was there in my darkest times and I imagine y'all appreciate people being there for yalls worsts. We're there for each other.
I explicitly remember watching raw the next night to see if it was real and not an angle. Mind you we were teenagers at the time and I can sum it up in two words. It sucked. Jr and Lawler were so respectible. I've seen people die, there aren't many short ways to say it sucked without sounding like a consierge if you say goodnight sweet prince. Should have just shut the show down. I agree with JR. It would be the most respectable thing to do. No negatives in the carryon. Much Appreciation.
They should make a real HOF in stanford. What’s the point if you can’t even visit. Ok your in the HOF. Now what.
I think there are plans to build one in Florida. I could be wrong and plans may have changed due to the current situation.
Owen is in other hall of fames. WWE only want to exploit him for profit.
I love when Martha says they dont even have a hallway of fame💀💀