@@anonymousskunkthank you. Just what I was thinking. And, when we all first watched this uncut scene, which came out many decades ago, we still didn’t see the egg. We hadn’t had fifteen more alien movies to have that in our brains. And most hadn’t read the book or comic threads.
Aside from the fact that they are literally and obviously being slowly transformed into an egg . . . Even if you assume that they are just being cocooned and imprisoned for the egg, the question STILL remains . . . Who is laying those eggs? And the sequel provides a badass, eloquent, and pretty obvious answer: The queen.
I'm a fan of the theory that a drone becomes a queen to start a hive, rather than there being specific royal eggs. So what we're seeing in the first movie is the start of the hive cycle. It's killed a few crew for food, and picked up at least one more host for the next drones to hatch from to serve it when it becomes a queen. In the second movie the marines don't arrive for weeks after the first chest burster hatched. It would have plenty of time to pick off a few colonists for food and more drones. Once they're hatched it has time to morph into the queen as the second round of drones continue to collect the colonists to expand the hive. Of course 3 shows us that some eggs have queens... But the theory is for if a queen isn't the first to hatch.
This video assumes too much. Captain Dallas was being transformed into an egg in the novelization of the film. Since the earliest auxiliary material to the original, it has been established that a lone Xenomorph could make a single egg to perpetuate their species. Queens lay eggs like a factory in addition to establishing a hive to keep order in the ranks. One of the most frightening aspects of this monster is its drive to reproduce and carry on the colony until a new Queen hatches. It's Canon, more than just fan theory.
It would make total sense for drones to be able to produce a queen egg this way when no queen is available in the environment. It would be a case of Parthenogenesis under environmental pressure. which we do see in the animal kingdom sometimes.
Isn't a "novelisation" of a film, just a book that's based on a movie? I mean, back in the early 90s, I remember reading a novelisation of the Dune film and being thoroughly confused that the book I was reading was so very different than the actual novel, which I had read some years before. It seemed to follow the Kyle Maclaughlin film precisely, which the original novel had no aspiration to do (and which probably would have proven impossible without a time machine, anyway). Anyway, the whole experience was a MASSIVE shock to young-me and an even greater disappointment, too! I was soured on the whole concept of 'Novelisations' as a direct result of the inability of the earnest work of mere mortals to compare to the insane scribblings of Frank Herbert during Peak Psychosis...
The deleted scene doesn’t inherently contradict the biology of the aliens. However, Ripley asking what’s laying the eggs does present a contradiction. The deleted scene also contradicts another scene. When the marines entered the hive she was asked if this looked familiar to her. She says no but the resin put on the walls is the same.
You need to re-read that section of the novel. Dallas is not being transformed into an egg. Brett is, with Dallas being the host of the face hugger from that egg.
Its pretty much a fan theory that individual xenomorphs can do this when there’s no queen around. It makes sense as far as I’m concerned given that you would need to make more eggs and make a queen SOMEHOW. Otherwise they’d never really be able to spread.
Well there are creatures that can do this like frogs and fish. Also this method is much more time and resource intensive compared to the queen laying eggs. Its a very believable fan theory
Well they change sex's. They don't catch another life form and force them to be they're eggs. Still like ur thinking. It's a cool theory. @@mikebalentine
In a hive, yes. A single alien, outside of a hive and without a queen, has an imperative to create a queen. These are engineered organisms, presumably created to survive and propagate themselves.
i think either could be true really. but in the case of Alien there were no eggs and the Xenos are hardwired to reproduce at all costs (think of the ones in Resurrection that kill the other so its acid blood will help them escape...assuming you've seen that)
@@jesusmarley2607if you don't count the garbage films in the series, they are not engineered and are a product of evolution from living on very harsh planets. Originally it was man vs nature, not man vs something that bullshit androids and giant humanoids engineered. I do not count Prometheus or Covenant as lore as they directly contradict the original films.
In the novelization it explains in more depth. In "Alien" it was a lone drone. They CAN create eggs but that egg will ONLY be a Queen, and that requires huge amounts of raw materials to provide fuel. The Queens can lay eggs far more efficiently and quickly. Every single creature carries with it the ability to eventually create a hive, and through that the ability to wipe out every living thing on a planet.
The novelisation is based on an older script. This concept has since been thrown out, only casually reintroduced in the Alien RPG to satisfy players who want to include eggmorphing in their campaigns. Eggmorphing is a waste of a host. Instead, a Xenomorph gathers hosts and moults into a Queen.
@@KyleJDurrantAuthor From what I've read, the original novelization is what the original Alien script is based on. The two follow each other VERY closely.
@@solarchos4352 Other way around. The novelisation is based on the original script, but changes were made during shooting and editing, with the theatrical cut being the canon cut (as per Ridley Scott's preference). Conversely, the Aliens Director's Cut is the canon cut, as James Cameron has declared it so. Alien 3 is the Assembly Cut by fan consensus. Prometheus is Prometheus. Covenant is complicated, but there are interviews that say parts were cut for pacing that are in the novelisation, and those parts are canon (including a pivotal scene where David confesses to merely copying the Xenomorph, not being its primary creator).
@@KyleJDurrantAuthor The original novel from the 1970s actually contained some of the parts that were edited OUT of the movie (now found only in the Director's Cut). So, no. Not quite.
@@solarchos4352 Yes, because they were cut out and considered Non-Canon. There was a script. A novel was written based on that script whilst filming was happening. In the process of filming, some scenes were removed. The theatrical release is the definitive version of the story. Anything in the novelisation or Directors Cut that isn't in the theatrical cut is Non-Canon.
When a queen bee or ant dies, and there is no replacement, the workers feed a larva "royal jelly" (or the ant equivalent), and produce a new queen. Perhaps the Xenomorphs have a similar reproductive mechanism.
The Xenomorph is not a bee or an ant. They don't need "royal jelly". They all contain the genetic potential to grow into a Queen, and in the absence of one they gather hosts then metamorphose. The bee/ant analogy has been taken too far.
The individual xenomorph, if without a hive or queen, CAN produce an egg. But that egg will ONLY be a queen. A very large amount of biomass is needed for fuel tho.
@@mattjack3983 If they can produce an egg, it's not via eggmorphing. They would lay it themselves. More likely the lone Xenomorph would just grow into a Queen itself, which is surely less or equally resource intensive.
Janine had a LOT less hair here than She does in T2 & I'd NEVER noticed it's the same actress. Jim might've been diddling Her on the side & just makin sure She had steady work. Hmmmm.....
Actually, I saw Alien at its very first showing of the day back in 1979. In the first two days showings, Capt. Dallas dies when the alien thrust its mini mouth through Dallas’ skull. Audiences didn’t react well so another reel was sent out minus Dallas’ head exploding.
I might've seen the version you mentioned. My Dad was super excited to see Alien when it first came out & I was about 4 years old. That movie TERRIFIED me the first time through & in later viewings I thought it wasn't quite as gory as I remembered.
Omg same when i was 7 i fr got so freakin traumatised from the chestburtser scene and imagined it so horrifying but now that i look back at it right now, the gorey effects dont really scare me and know alien is my fav franchise and movie! @@kennethlegler5
Lol, this is not a counterdiction. The egg in the first movie was a queen egg, not a face hugger, and it's much bigger. Like bees, the alien can make a queen if needed.
The last part of the clip is also not adding to the supposed contradiction as they were talking about their understanding of the aliens. Their understanding shouldn't be assumed to be 100% accurate nor complete. Bad clip.
I think the most criminal deleted scene in the series was in Aliens (#2) when Ripley finds out her own young daughter had grown up, lived a long life, and died of old age. All while Ripley drifted through space in a lifeboat's stasis pod in what was supposed to be her last space mission before she retired. It goes a long way to explain the later attachment she felt towards the girl she encounters on the moon and why she risks everything to go back and rescue her. It also would explain more of her fatalistic approach to life in part 3 after the girl dies in the crash of that lifeboat.
@@watamatafoyu That was just a med lab for the colonists, not a genetics laboratory. They weren’t really experimenting except to find out better how/what their life cycle was.
It doesn't contradict, this person doesn't know all the lore, there are books and comics and so much more than just the movies, but they're only looking at info in the movies. Like if you watch any Chronicles of Narnia series, every one of them atarts with "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe", which is the second of the books in the 7 book series. Not one film adaptation has ever started with the true beginning, "The Magician's Nephew", despite it containing extreme amounts of lore and exposition and being a really awesome story about the boy and girl who first discovered Narnia, before there was any wardrobe. Anyone who watches only the films, might wonder how Narnia started and why tf there's a doorway there in some old man's wardrobe hidden in a storage room.. but if you read all the books, you know exactly all those answers and there are no plot holes. Movies have to have plot holes because once they get past 3 hours, people riot and walk out of the theater, and they can never fit all the lore and the reasoning into the media. Sometimes people even have to write fan novels to explain lore that fits in the movies but was never addressed because the director didn't want to flesh out that part of the world.
Why? If it's possible to turn humans into eggs, then it's a much better use of resources to turn humans into xenomorphs directly It would actually even make egg laying obsolete Useless biological strategy: 1. catch human 2. infect with egg metamorphosis 'stuff' 3. create special queen egg from human 4. find another human (you already had one who's DNA you totally rearranged!) 5. queen egg laying facehugger incubates host 6. Profit If Aliens could change DNA 1. catch victim 2. infect with Xeno metamorphosis 'stuff' 3a. Profit 3b you'd only need 1 xenomorph, no queen or anything that's even able to lay eggs, just DNA-change the crap out of every living thing Alien with queen absent 1. catch prey and host 2a. eat prey to molt into queen or 2b. parthenogenesis, eat and produce 1 'queen' egg then either die or be nest guardian 3. Incubate host with queen egg 4.Profit 1 road not taken is that queen eggs are specially laid like in wasp or bees nests In Aliens, the hold of the derelict ship was full of eggs, so there is no reason to believe there weren't queen eggs among them But it could explain Ripley carrying a queen in 3
I imagine they wanted more than one queen also in order to either send the old or new one... makes sense because they always want to spread somewhere else and know full well the people are their only true way off the planet
This isn't a plot hole, they aren't mutually exclusive. It's completely plausible that an individual Xenomorph could craft eggs until a hive reached a certain size, at which point a Queen is "promoted" to speed up the process. I don't even think this is fan theory at this point. It was made canon under 20th Century Fox... Although I don't know what Disney considers canon right now.
Part of the horror of “the organism” is not just the animal form, but the growth that forms the nest, a creature by itself that would cause havoc on a spaceship as it grows into… everything, until it becomes the ship. Probably why the derelict crashed.
I appreciate you saying "the organism" instead of "xenomorph" since that word was never really intended to be the actual name of the alien. The word xenomorph is little more than a fancy ten dollar word that Gorman uses to sound more educated and better than the grunts, it fits in as part of his characterization of a guy who has been educated for leadership but has no real experience with actual leadership. He doesn't learn the names of his squad, he throws around orders that are lifted straight from a manual and he directs around his troops from the safety of the apc like he's playing X-Com
@@djmouseshadow4735 Interesting theory on the derelict ship found on LV426 Acheron. However we saw some of the ship's vitals in Alien & later saw even more in Prometheus. No sign of growth infestation running rampant, just that nice orderly egg nursery, which was a ways underground.
It's pretty much confirmed by omission in Isolation. The Sevastopol Drone, the first of its kind on the station born from Foster, was a regular Drone, like Big Chap/Kane's Son. The developers later stated that a Queen was also present in the Hive, when Amanda visited it; she was just unseen because she was near the center. When there's no Queen and no other Eggs, it's likely a solitary Drone will cocoon and eggmorph some poor victims to get a viable Hive going. We didn't see this in Alien 3 because the Runner knew that Ripley had a Queen inside of her.
It is not indicated, because the first alien one Sevastopol from Foster was most likely a alien queen. On the Anesidora there was a single Facehugger, which previously implanted Foster with a embryo. It was believed to be dead, but when Amanda arrives at the Anesidora, the Facehugger was active again to implant a second embryo. There is only on Facehugger with 2 embryos and that one is the Royal Facehugger, who first implants a queen (which takes way longer to burst through the chest) and a protective drone in a second host. Therefor Foster was the carrier of the Xenomorph Queen.
@@Cyanwasserstoff No, the Facehugger was not a Royal Facehugger but a standard one, like the one that impregnated Kane. We see it in game that it's a standard Facehugger that produces a Drone from the flashback scene, and it looks nothing like a Royal; it's nonsensical to believe that one specific egg had a Royal Facehugger, and there's no evidence to confirm at all that one egg was special in some way from the one that impregnated Kane. They're from the same batch of eggs. Foster birthed a regular Drone. The developers themselves said there was an unseen Queen in the Reactor Hive.
@@MikeB-us5cg there are some points that are at least leading towards the Royal Facehugger. We know that the Facehugger on Foster Was assumed to be dead. Once Amanda arrives at the Anesidora, there was one active Facehugger. If it was already there when Foster was impregnated, why did it not attack the Crew earlier? Foster Was patient 0, so the starting point of the infection. A Royal Facehugger can impregnate 2 persons. If it Was not the first Facehugger that impregnated Foster, how did a 2 make it on board the Anesidora and where is the dead body of the first one?
It's crazy how some of the effects back then look better than some of the effects of present day. Also the motion sensing item beeping still terrifies me haha...
They arent called the 'perfect organism' for nothing. They adapt and overcome. As for the Ripley scene where she talks about where the eggs are coming from (Aliens), she would only be able to guess what was happening when coming across the morphing eggs in Alien. So there isnt really a contradiction. I am aware that there is a lot of lore out there as well.
Brett was definitely being turned into a face hugger as you can clearly see the structure of the egg around his decimated head. I will say that Dallas is NOT being transformed, and would need to be kept alive as a host for when the Brett-Face Hugger hatches!🤔
Unfortunately Dallas was killed. Not transformed into an egg. That sounds ridiculous and absurd even though it's just a movie. Everything else is all speculation.The deleated scene of Dallas stuck in secretion yes I know ... secreted by what? not necessary.🇭🇲🦘🐨✌️
I hated to see Vasquez get killed! A warrior who had no fear and battled to the end! She was John Connor's foster mom in T2. She was on the Titanic reading to her children as the ship was sinking. And in a Star Trek TNG movie.
@Cheepchipsable She back it up! As a former military, I'd pick her character over many guys I served with! They all would have gotten jacked had she obeyed orders!
I find the Aliens concept more plausible Turning a totally different creature into an actual egg? (that then doesn't even spawn a xenomorph, but a facehugger makes no sense) Whereas creatures changing sex, or infertile ones becoming fertile in the absence of an egg-layer? Much better biologically substantiated
If you're referring to the Alien RPG lore, it's clear they shoehorned in every concept so as to appease every fan rather than opting for consistency. Eggmorphing has never appeared again in any Alien media since this one scene. Scott himself has said the theatrical cut of Alien is the true cut, so pointing to this version as evidence is confirmation bias. Eggmorphing is a waste of a host when any Xenomorph, being a perfect organism, has the genetic potential to moult into a Queen.
Also, when they first entered the nest, the LT ask Ripley what they were seeing. She responded "I don't know" and seemed totally baffled by what she saw. If Ripley saw Dallas like he was in that deleted scene, She would have not responded like she did in Aliens.
@@joshmorales770I strongly disagree. The theatrical version of Alien is the best version and it’s also Ridley Scott’s preferred version. So really the theatrical is the directors cut.
The theatrical cut of Alien 1 is the real ‘directors cut’, as in its the version Ridley Scott prefers. The version called ‘directors cut’ was just an altered version Ridley did for a DVD release, the proper version is the theatrical release.
The extended cut shows the Sentry Robots! (Part 2 ALIENS) Shooting the xenos & running outta ammo! “Look at those ammo counters go!” “Maybe we got them demoralized?” One of the best sci fi movies of its time!😉
I saw the Directors Cut in theaters. It's not better than the version Scott prefers, the theatrical release. Way too much exposure of the alien and its biology. It takes away from its terror.
Xenomorphs become what they need to be, pheromones of incubation, in aliens most are Warriors, in Alien big chap was a lone wolf ment to ovalmorphe to seed a queen
There are variations of the Xenomorphs as highly adaptive organisms, adapting physically not just by generations. We have in the comics seen some offshoots vary how they reproduce. However that said as parasites the one to one for a host was already a very low number *most parasitic egg layers tend to have a good number of eggs/larva inside a host organism, they also tend to eat the host not just pop out and run off leaving all that protein behind. If we went one step further the ovimorph would be an exponential loss for the aliens....needing TWO hosts to produce ONE alien. One host to turn into an egg, and then a second host for the facehugger to implant. That is pretty bad reproduction.
The line doesn't contradict anything. It is natural for humans that are familiar with things laying eggs to assume eggs are being laid not just growing from left over corpses.
Some xenomorph drones have been observed to mutate into praetorians and then onto queens when being alone, and as we see in the first Alien movie, Captain Dallas' biomass was being turned into a face huger egg, which added to the mutation capability of solitary drones away from a hive, adds to the many reasons why Ash referred to it as "The Perfect Organism".
This is what makes the xenomorph so dangerous. It can use egg morphing as a contingency plan when no eggs are present, and a drone can molt into a praetorian to later become a queen. Ideally the hive would have a queen that's laying the eggs, but in the absence of that equilibrium, the drones will do whatever is necessary to achieve that.
With the "Who is layign the egg" line being fair...This is something handled by extended lore. They use both. If theres' no queen, or a queen hasn't yet hatched, they use the transformation. Otherwise they use the cocoons. It helps explain where a Queen comes from, and makes them scarier. Convoluted, but...well, there are MUCH worse fan theories.
@ScreenRant While they are not supposed to be based on anything - The Xenomorphs have a lot of similarities to Insects, In particular, Bees... And that may explain the "Plot Hole" making it more a "Plot Contrivance" If that scene had been included originally, Then it is Possible that without a Queen - The Xenomorph could "Create one" by Mutating Prey into Eggs to birth a new Queen and a Praetorian to Guard her... Something similar happens in Bee Colonies where if a Queen dies, Another Bee will "Mutate" into a Queen with the addition of "Royal Jelly" As the scene never made the Original Cut, and is only in an "Extended Cut" - It does not actually affect the movies at all!
Why rearrange a human's DNA to become an actual egg when it would be much more biologically efficient to turn it into a xenomorph directly? It would make eggs/facehuggers and queens obsolete The Parasitoid wasp-like lifecycle already has a rather unnecessary step (make an egg to grow a facehugger that plants a different egg? ...that finally hatches a xenomorph?) But to actually grant a lifeform to rearrange DNA and be absolutely biological incomprehensible with it?
James Cameron didn’t know about the egg morphing scene as it wasn’t in the theatrical release of Alien. In my opinion, the two can very much co-exist. A queen can regularly make eggs but egg morphing can take place if it’s just one Xeno.
Both happen, they're the perfect organism, remember? They can lay eggs, they can turn you into an egg. They like eggs and they're gonna have eggs whether you like it or not
Buddy of mine told me that the reason Dallas wasn't killed is because the xenomorph chose him because he was the most intelligent. When Riply found him, he was in a halfway stage of dissolving into a primordial egg, which is a guaranteed queen.
I do think this is a fascinating angle, and goes to show how deep the themes in Alien are, and how well they are executed. Personally, i think refering to it this way downplays very clear intelligence. Knowing to crawl through vents, hide aboard the shuttles, and wait in ambush are clear intelligent predatory behaviors.
This is easy. In Alien lore, it’s known that aliens can create eggs using hosts if there’s no available queen. Also drones/warrior aliens can transform into queens if there’s no queen available.
The Alien RPG confirms that a singular Drone can and will capture as many people as possible to convert into eggs, while doing so it will emote chemical pheromones to ensure the egg hatches a Queen FaceHugger so it can ensure the future development of a hive
Brett was being converted while Dallas wasn't. The theory goes Brett would've become an Ovomorph containing a Royal Facehugger which would impregnate Dallas with a Queen embryo. From there the Drone would've expanded the hive and, if it had basically "won" in the movie, Ripley would've been the first and pretty much only host available, for awhile anyway till the Nostromo eventually turned up back at Earth.
If not only the people watching this video, but the creator of it actually did any research everyone would understand that everything in this video is part of the Alien lore. There are no contradictions it's just a deleted scene.
You have to remember that Scott didn't really want to do a director's cut of Alien. The theatrical release is his preferred cut. He did it anyway because the studio wanted him to, and it changed the movie because of how he added deleted scenes and removed scenes that were in the original so that the pacing wasn't off. I would say the theatrical cut is the true canon cut.
This idea show that Scott should not try to create some of the lore and should just be the director. It was his idea, the xenomorph reproduce by transforming one prey in an egg and after that the facehugger infect an another being.
I think the lore was changed to reflect that when there is no queen, the egg morphine can happen just like a regular Xeno morph can turn into a Pretoria guard or a queen itself
Another plot whole is, that Ellen infers existence of egg laying queen in the station, from eggs being there, although She is aware that there were eggs on the Jaggernaut ship.
In another deleted scene Ripley asked Lambert if she had ever slept with Ash. She said no. I can see why they deleted the seen it seemed to come out of nowhere. Also in an interview Ridley Scott said he originally wanted to kill Ripley in the final scene on shuttle. But the studio heads all said no because it would be have been too depressing and they wanted her to be the sole survivor to possibly use in sequel. It's also interesting to look at the original reviews done by Siskel and Ebert for Alien and Aliens. They gave mixed reviews for both movies. For Alien they said it was a good sci-fi horror movie very scary but they thought it was too violent and sickening even though there was no really graphic violence scenes compared to other movies like Friday the 13th or Halloween. They praised the production value especially the rugged dirty design of the spaceship vs typical immaculate style but said it's essentially a monster in a horror house movie except the house is a spaceship. For Aliens they were more negative. Again praising the production values but really going in on them for the excessive use of the little girl in danger trope.
You catch a prey, you turn them into an egg, this egg creates a "Queen" face hugger which then latches on to a host and births a Queen Xeno. This Queen then creates a hive that makes more eggs. Simple.
When i was younger i just thought that a facehugger either was always present near a xenomorph or that they would produce one when there was no eggs around. But i was young and too hypnotised by the cool movie to think about it lol
The xenomorph species is the perfect organism, because it can thrive as a colony or an isolated species. If a drone realises that it is the only one, then it will capture lifeforms to convert them into eggs in the hope it will house a super face hugger that will eventually birth a queen. If there is a colony, the oldest drone will shed its exoskeleton like a spider or crabs sheds it's skin and convert to a queen. Always bringing the life cycle around one way or another. Isolated eggs are protected by a blue mist that when disturbed will cause the eggs to hatch, like how a venus fly trap closes when it detects movement. If a colony of drones realise that no potential hosts are around, they go into a protective hibernation within the hive just waiting for any movement to awaken them.
I think it’s amazing they cut this. Would make the whole 3rd act way more terrifying. Instead she’s just walking down a creepy hallway with fog and lights lol
I see this as maybe when there is no queen. They are able to turn us into eggs, but once a queen is around, the queen can produce the eggs at a much faster pace, so they use the hive walls, to hold us in place for the face huggers.
Each xenomorph takes on the characteristics of the host it was incubated in. Who's to say that the xenomorph that Ripley fought in the first Alien movie wasn't able to convert it's victims into eggs?
This was my BIGGEST complaint when I saw "Aliens" for the first time. Cameron changed them into bees or ants, but the reality was much more horrible. The Alien adult would take its victims, alive or dead did not matter, and cocoon them to create more eggs. Those eggs would contain facehuggers that carried the DNA of the victims making the future spawn have the physical characteristics of the victims and perhaps their intelligence as well. Frightening. "Aliens" still rocks though and I love that film.
I always wanted Ripley to find Burke still alive & trussed up and begging to be saved/ killed before his chest bursts. Which she leaves him to his fate as you only hear ribs cracking/screams as she and Newt run
Sigorney Weaver’s line at the end of this short is NOT PART OF ANY DELETED SCENE!!! That’s straight from the theatrical edition! Followed by Bishop saying: “I don’t know. It must be something we haven’t seen yet.”
I always assumed that those guys were glued to the wall so that when the eggs hatched there would be fresh hosts for them to attach to.
I agree. Just like in AVP
They are litterally in the process of turning into eggs in the scene. Did you habe your eyea cloaed?@capalottyslimalini2878
The problem with your assumption is that there are no eggs aboard the Nostromo.
@@anonymousskunkthank you. Just what I was thinking. And, when we all first watched this uncut scene, which came out many decades ago, we still didn’t see the egg. We hadn’t had fifteen more alien movies to have that in our brains. And most hadn’t read the book or comic threads.
Aside from the fact that they are literally and obviously being slowly transformed into an egg . . . Even if you assume that they are just being cocooned and imprisoned for the egg, the question STILL remains . . .
Who is laying those eggs?
And the sequel provides a badass, eloquent, and pretty obvious answer: The queen.
The xenomorph is wired to catch people/living things and place them in a cocoon, even if a queen is not present.
A habit of behavioural to make more xenomorphs
The 70s one is a mistake, the people don't get converted into eggs.
I'm a fan of the theory that a drone becomes a queen to start a hive, rather than there being specific royal eggs. So what we're seeing in the first movie is the start of the hive cycle. It's killed a few crew for food, and picked up at least one more host for the next drones to hatch from to serve it when it becomes a queen.
In the second movie the marines don't arrive for weeks after the first chest burster hatched. It would have plenty of time to pick off a few colonists for food and more drones. Once they're hatched it has time to morph into the queen as the second round of drones continue to collect the colonists to expand the hive.
Of course 3 shows us that some eggs have queens... But the theory is for if a queen isn't the first to hatch.
@@JD86Vintage Well gladly the official explanation is there being queen eggs. This isn’t Jurassic Park.
What you says makes sense and wouldn’t mess up canon.
This video assumes too much. Captain Dallas was being transformed into an egg in the novelization of the film. Since the earliest auxiliary material to the original, it has been established that a lone Xenomorph could make a single egg to perpetuate their species. Queens lay eggs like a factory in addition to establishing a hive to keep order in the ranks. One of the most frightening aspects of this monster is its drive to reproduce and carry on the colony until a new Queen hatches. It's Canon, more than just fan theory.
It would make total sense for drones to be able to produce a queen egg this way when no queen is available in the environment. It would be a case of Parthenogenesis under environmental pressure. which we do see in the animal kingdom sometimes.
Isn't a "novelisation" of a film, just a book that's based on a movie? I mean, back in the early 90s, I remember reading a novelisation of the Dune film and being thoroughly confused that the book I was reading was so very different than the actual novel, which I had read some years before. It seemed to follow the Kyle Maclaughlin film precisely, which the original novel had no aspiration to do (and which probably would have proven impossible without a time machine, anyway).
Anyway, the whole experience was a MASSIVE shock to young-me and an even greater disappointment, too! I was soured on the whole concept of 'Novelisations' as a direct result of the inability of the earnest work of mere mortals to compare to the insane scribblings of Frank Herbert during Peak Psychosis...
The deleted scene doesn’t inherently contradict the biology of the aliens. However, Ripley asking what’s laying the eggs does present a contradiction. The deleted scene also contradicts another scene. When the marines entered the hive she was asked if this looked familiar to her. She says no but the resin put on the walls is the same.
You need to re-read that section of the novel. Dallas is not being transformed into an egg. Brett is, with Dallas being the host of the face hugger from that egg.
Yeah, that’s the compelling aspect to both being true.
And of course the classic question, "what came first. " "The alien or the egg."
David came 1st 😂
@KYWONG-qi3kn David isn't the original creator Xenomorph. He only created his own variant.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson would say the egg camw first
@@KYWONG-qi3kn Don't link a classic trilogy to a cash grabbing crap.
@@snakeplissken1933 Sadly it's linked.
Its pretty much a fan theory that individual xenomorphs can do this when there’s no queen around. It makes sense as far as I’m concerned given that you would need to make more eggs and make a queen SOMEHOW. Otherwise they’d never really be able to spread.
Life uhh finds a way
@@STEELCITY1989lol exactly.
Well there are creatures that can do this like frogs and fish. Also this method is much more time and resource intensive compared to the queen laying eggs. Its a very believable fan theory
@@STEELCITY1989bro-you're Goldbluming. xD
Well they change sex's. They don't catch another life form and force them to be they're eggs. Still like ur thinking. It's a cool theory. @@mikebalentine
I always thought that they were simply encased in something to hold them until a facehugger would lay an alien embryo in their body.
In a hive, yes.
A single alien, outside of a hive and without a queen, has an imperative to create a queen.
These are engineered organisms, presumably created to survive and propagate themselves.
i think either could be true really. but in the case of Alien there were no eggs and the Xenos are hardwired to reproduce at all costs (think of the ones in Resurrection that kill the other so its acid blood will help them escape...assuming you've seen that)
@@jesusmarley2607if you don't count the garbage films in the series, they are not engineered and are a product of evolution from living on very harsh planets. Originally it was man vs nature, not man vs something that bullshit androids and giant humanoids engineered. I do not count Prometheus or Covenant as lore as they directly contradict the original films.
Yes. Anything else is BS fanfic
@@konel2368 xenopedia ahh guy
In the novelization it explains in more depth. In "Alien" it was a lone drone. They CAN create eggs but that egg will ONLY be a Queen, and that requires huge amounts of raw materials to provide fuel. The Queens can lay eggs far more efficiently and quickly.
Every single creature carries with it the ability to eventually create a hive, and through that the ability to wipe out every living thing on a planet.
The novelisation is based on an older script. This concept has since been thrown out, only casually reintroduced in the Alien RPG to satisfy players who want to include eggmorphing in their campaigns. Eggmorphing is a waste of a host. Instead, a Xenomorph gathers hosts and moults into a Queen.
@@KyleJDurrantAuthor From what I've read, the original novelization is what the original Alien script is based on. The two follow each other VERY closely.
@@solarchos4352 Other way around. The novelisation is based on the original script, but changes were made during shooting and editing, with the theatrical cut being the canon cut (as per Ridley Scott's preference).
Conversely, the Aliens Director's Cut is the canon cut, as James Cameron has declared it so.
Alien 3 is the Assembly Cut by fan consensus.
Prometheus is Prometheus.
Covenant is complicated, but there are interviews that say parts were cut for pacing that are in the novelisation, and those parts are canon (including a pivotal scene where David confesses to merely copying the Xenomorph, not being its primary creator).
@@KyleJDurrantAuthor The original novel from the 1970s actually contained some of the parts that were edited OUT of the movie (now found only in the Director's Cut).
So, no. Not quite.
@@solarchos4352 Yes, because they were cut out and considered Non-Canon. There was a script. A novel was written based on that script whilst filming was happening. In the process of filming, some scenes were removed. The theatrical release is the definitive version of the story. Anything in the novelisation or Directors Cut that isn't in the theatrical cut is Non-Canon.
When a queen bee or ant dies, and there is no replacement, the workers feed a larva "royal jelly" (or the ant equivalent), and produce a new queen. Perhaps the Xenomorphs have a similar reproductive mechanism.
The Xenomorph is not a bee or an ant. They don't need "royal jelly". They all contain the genetic potential to grow into a Queen, and in the absence of one they gather hosts then metamorphose.
The bee/ant analogy has been taken too far.
That's what James Cameron based the queen on. It doesn't matter that they're not Earth ants or bees 😆 They're xenomorphs, the perfect predator.
The individual xenomorph, if without a hive or queen, CAN produce an egg. But that egg will ONLY be a queen. A very large amount of biomass is needed for fuel tho.
@@mattjack3983 If they can produce an egg, it's not via eggmorphing. They would lay it themselves. More likely the lone Xenomorph would just grow into a Queen itself, which is surely less or equally resource intensive.
I fully believe that if a xeno is without a hive and a queen it will adapt any biomass and instigate emergency eggs
I read in an alien book that any drone can undergo a 'hormone storm' and become a queen.
I like cheese on my eggs.
That makes this thing even more scary like bro what?! 😮
@@jjones9822 you mean your boy friend
Why do people complicate things. There are male and female Xenamorphs created all the times. Any female can become a Queen.
Wolfie's fine Honey, Wolfie's just fine...
Your foster parents are dead.
Give me you address there!
Janine had a LOT less hair here than She does in T2 & I'd NEVER noticed it's the same actress. Jim might've been diddling Her on the side & just makin sure She had steady work. Hmmmm.....
@@herringdkk76 She's also in Titanic. (Lady tucking her kids into bed as the ship sinks).
Take a deep breath, loosen your sphincters.
Actually, I saw Alien at its very first showing of the day back in 1979. In the first two days showings, Capt. Dallas dies when the alien thrust its mini mouth through Dallas’ skull. Audiences didn’t react well so another reel was sent out minus Dallas’ head exploding.
I might've seen the version you mentioned. My Dad was super excited to see Alien when it first came out & I was about 4 years old. That movie TERRIFIED me the first time through & in later viewings I thought it wasn't quite as gory as I remembered.
For real? That is so awesome, too bad it didn’t make the director’s cut
@@kcmet79 a long time ago it was on one of the DVD versions.
thats crazy that they changed it way back then
Omg same when i was 7 i fr got so freakin traumatised from the chestburtser scene and imagined it so horrifying but now that i look back at it right now, the gorey effects dont really scare me and know alien is my fav franchise and movie! @@kennethlegler5
Lol, this is not a counterdiction. The egg in the first movie was a queen egg, not a face hugger, and it's much bigger. Like bees, the alien can make a queen if needed.
The last part of the clip is also not adding to the supposed contradiction as they were talking about their understanding of the aliens. Their understanding shouldn't be assumed to be 100% accurate nor complete.
Bad clip.
Dude thought he had found something that has been endlessly discussed for damn near 5 decades 🤣
Exactly
These things aren't bees, Hudson!
Also, dude, from context clues, I suspect that you meant to use the word "contradiction," as opposed to the thing you said, that wasn't a real word.
I always thought the alien was just storing them (Dallas, Brett) away for a later food source.
I think the most criminal deleted scene in the series was in Aliens (#2) when Ripley finds out her own young daughter had grown up, lived a long life, and died of old age. All while Ripley drifted through space in a lifeboat's stasis pod in what was supposed to be her last space mission before she retired. It goes a long way to explain the later attachment she felt towards the girl she encounters on the moon and why she risks everything to go back and rescue her. It also would explain more of her fatalistic approach to life in part 3 after the girl dies in the crash of that lifeboat.
Alien 3 is a studio miscarriage that Fincher had to clean up after disowning it.
That was in the movie, always has been. What are you talking about?
@@JohnMitchem-e2k That scene was only in the re-released directors cut with the deleted scenes added. It was not in the original theatrical release.
@@socket_error1000 It was on the VHS.
Ripley was drifting through space for almost sixty years. Dallas would've been an old, old man.
But, do they really contradict? Maybe if there's no Queen, this is how they create their eggs to be able to reproduce
How do we know the hugger lab on Hadley's Hope didn't result in an experiment that generated a queen?
@@watamatafoyu
That was just a med lab for the colonists, not a genetics laboratory. They weren’t really experimenting except to find out better how/what their life cycle was.
It doesn't contradict, this person doesn't know all the lore, there are books and comics and so much more than just the movies, but they're only looking at info in the movies.
Like if you watch any Chronicles of Narnia series, every one of them atarts with "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe", which is the second of the books in the 7 book series. Not one film adaptation has ever started with the true beginning, "The Magician's Nephew", despite it containing extreme amounts of lore and exposition and being a really awesome story about the boy and girl who first discovered Narnia, before there was any wardrobe. Anyone who watches only the films, might wonder how Narnia started and why tf there's a doorway there in some old man's wardrobe hidden in a storage room.. but if you read all the books, you know exactly all those answers and there are no plot holes.
Movies have to have plot holes because once they get past 3 hours, people riot and walk out of the theater, and they can never fit all the lore and the reasoning into the media. Sometimes people even have to write fan novels to explain lore that fits in the movies but was never addressed because the director didn't want to flesh out that part of the world.
There is no contradiction.
If there is no Queen, one has to be made and using (in this case) humans to create a Queen egg is the only way.
Why?
If it's possible to turn humans into eggs, then it's a much better use of resources to turn humans into xenomorphs directly
It would actually even make egg laying obsolete
Useless biological strategy:
1. catch human
2. infect with egg metamorphosis 'stuff'
3. create special queen egg from human
4. find another human (you already had one who's DNA you totally rearranged!)
5. queen egg laying facehugger incubates host
6. Profit
If Aliens could change DNA
1. catch victim
2. infect with Xeno metamorphosis 'stuff'
3a. Profit
3b you'd only need 1 xenomorph, no queen or anything that's even able to lay eggs, just DNA-change the crap out of every living thing
Alien with queen absent
1. catch prey and host
2a. eat prey to molt into queen
or
2b. parthenogenesis, eat and produce 1 'queen' egg then either die or be nest guardian
3. Incubate host with queen egg
4.Profit
1 road not taken is that queen eggs are specially laid like in wasp or bees nests
In Aliens, the hold of the derelict ship was full of eggs, so there is no reason to believe there weren't queen eggs among them
But it could explain Ripley carrying a queen in 3
I like that explanation.
I imagine they wanted more than one queen also in order to either send the old or new one... makes sense because they always want to spread somewhere else and know full well the people are their only true way off the planet
This isn't a plot hole, they aren't mutually exclusive. It's completely plausible that an individual Xenomorph could craft eggs until a hive reached a certain size, at which point a Queen is "promoted" to speed up the process.
I don't even think this is fan theory at this point. It was made canon under 20th Century Fox... Although I don't know what Disney considers canon right now.
I don't like that it was made canon since it would require Ripley forgetting about it before seeing the nest in Aliens.
Part of the horror of “the organism” is not just the animal form, but the growth that forms the nest, a creature by itself that would cause havoc on a spaceship as it grows into… everything, until it becomes the ship. Probably why the derelict crashed.
I appreciate you saying "the organism" instead of "xenomorph" since that word was never really intended to be the actual name of the alien.
The word xenomorph is little more than a fancy ten dollar word that Gorman uses to sound more educated and better than the grunts, it fits in as part of his characterization of a guy who has been educated for leadership but has no real experience with actual leadership. He doesn't learn the names of his squad, he throws around orders that are lifted straight from a manual and he directs around his troops from the safety of the apc like he's playing X-Com
@@djmouseshadow4735 Interesting theory on the derelict ship found on LV426 Acheron. However we saw some of the ship's vitals in Alien & later saw even more in Prometheus. No sign of growth infestation running rampant, just that nice orderly egg nursery, which was a ways underground.
It's pretty much confirmed by omission in Isolation.
The Sevastopol Drone, the first of its kind on the station born from Foster, was a regular Drone, like Big Chap/Kane's Son.
The developers later stated that a Queen was also present in the Hive, when Amanda visited it; she was just unseen because she was near the center.
When there's no Queen and no other Eggs, it's likely a solitary Drone will cocoon and eggmorph some poor victims to get a viable Hive going.
We didn't see this in Alien 3 because the Runner knew that Ripley had a Queen inside of her.
That's a video game. lol
It is not indicated, because the first alien one Sevastopol from Foster was most likely a alien queen.
On the Anesidora there was a single Facehugger, which previously implanted Foster with a embryo. It was believed to be dead, but when Amanda arrives at the Anesidora, the Facehugger was active again to implant a second embryo. There is only on Facehugger with 2 embryos and that one is the Royal Facehugger, who first implants a queen (which takes way longer to burst through the chest) and a protective drone in a second host.
Therefor Foster was the carrier of the Xenomorph Queen.
@@Cyanwasserstoff No, the Facehugger was not a Royal Facehugger but a standard one, like the one that impregnated Kane. We see it in game that it's a standard Facehugger that produces a Drone from the flashback scene, and it looks nothing like a Royal; it's nonsensical to believe that one specific egg had a Royal Facehugger, and there's no evidence to confirm at all that one egg was special in some way from the one that impregnated Kane. They're from the same batch of eggs.
Foster birthed a regular Drone. The developers themselves said there was an unseen Queen in the Reactor Hive.
@@MikeB-us5cg there are some points that are at least leading towards the Royal Facehugger.
We know that the Facehugger on Foster Was assumed to be dead. Once Amanda arrives at the Anesidora, there was one active Facehugger. If it was already there when Foster was impregnated, why did it not attack the Crew earlier?
Foster Was patient 0, so the starting point of the infection. A Royal Facehugger can impregnate 2 persons.
If it Was not the first Facehugger that impregnated Foster, how did a 2 make it on board the Anesidora and where is the dead body of the first one?
The "Director's Cut" is not really a directors cut. Scott prefers the theatrical release
Same here.
It's crazy how some of the effects back then look better than some of the effects of present day. Also the motion sensing item beeping still terrifies me haha...
It's all about immersion and presentation. Way too many directors nowadays forget about the first part.
They arent called the 'perfect organism' for nothing. They adapt and overcome.
As for the Ripley scene where she talks about where the eggs are coming from (Aliens), she would only be able to guess what was happening when coming across the morphing eggs in Alien. So there isnt really a contradiction.
I am aware that there is a lot of lore out there as well.
They are not being turn into eggs they are being used for the face hugger too clamp on after the allien hatches ...........
Brett was definitely being turned into a face hugger as you can clearly see the structure of the egg around his decimated head. I will say that Dallas is NOT being transformed, and would need to be kept alive as a host for when the Brett-Face Hugger hatches!🤔
Unfortunately Dallas was killed. Not transformed into an egg. That sounds ridiculous and absurd even though it's just a movie. Everything else is all speculation.The deleated scene of Dallas stuck in secretion yes I know ... secreted by what? not necessary.🇭🇲🦘🐨✌️
@@tracyb64 It could still be a facehugger that spawns a queen egg.
I hated to see Vasquez get killed! A warrior who had no fear and battled to the end! She was John Connor's foster mom in T2. She was on the Titanic reading to her children as the ship was sinking. And in a Star Trek TNG movie.
She caused half the problems by disobeying orders in the first place.
@Cheepchipsable She back it up! As a former military, I'd pick her character over many guys I served with! They all would have gotten jacked had she obeyed orders!
The Lore states that drones can turn humans to create eggs to make a new queen.
I find the Aliens concept more plausible
Turning a totally different creature into an actual egg? (that then doesn't even spawn a xenomorph, but a facehugger makes no sense)
Whereas creatures changing sex, or infertile ones becoming fertile in the absence of an egg-layer?
Much better biologically substantiated
If you're referring to the Alien RPG lore, it's clear they shoehorned in every concept so as to appease every fan rather than opting for consistency.
Eggmorphing has never appeared again in any Alien media since this one scene. Scott himself has said the theatrical cut of Alien is the true cut, so pointing to this version as evidence is confirmation bias.
Eggmorphing is a waste of a host when any Xenomorph, being a perfect organism, has the genetic potential to moult into a Queen.
I didn’t think he was being converted; I just thought he was being saved for later as food
The scenes are deleted for a reason.
Exactly.
As they said in Alien: Romulus. The xenomorph is the perfect creature to adapt to any situation to survive. This makes everything possible
Also, when they first entered the nest, the LT ask Ripley what they were seeing. She responded "I don't know" and seemed totally baffled by what she saw. If Ripley saw Dallas like he was in that deleted scene, She would have not responded like she did in Aliens.
Yah, the deleted scene needs to stay in alternate lore land.
@@watamatafoyu Indeed.
There is a Director´s Cut from Alien 1? Now you have my interest ;)
There are director's cuts of Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3. All are better than their theatrical counterparts.
@@joshmorales770I strongly disagree. The theatrical version of Alien is the best version and it’s also Ridley Scott’s preferred version. So really the theatrical is the directors cut.
The theatrical cut of Alien 1 is the real ‘directors cut’, as in its the version Ridley Scott prefers. The version called ‘directors cut’ was just an altered version Ridley did for a DVD release, the proper version is the theatrical release.
The extended cut shows the Sentry Robots! (Part 2 ALIENS) Shooting the xenos & running outta ammo! “Look at those ammo counters go!”
“Maybe we got them demoralized?”
One of the best sci fi movies of its time!😉
I saw the Directors Cut in theaters. It's not better than the version Scott prefers, the theatrical release. Way too much exposure of the alien and its biology. It takes away from its terror.
Egg production requires extra energy. So while they CAN make eggs using their own nutrients it would be better to use outside nutrients.
Even bees are programmed to try and produce a Queen egg when there’s no Queen present. This isn’t a plot hole.
Xenomorphs become what they need to be, pheromones of incubation, in aliens most are Warriors, in Alien big chap was a lone wolf ment to ovalmorphe to seed a queen
The drone converting living hosts into eggs is canon though. They can do that when no queen is available.
There are variations of the Xenomorphs as highly adaptive organisms, adapting physically not just by generations. We have in the comics seen some offshoots vary how they reproduce. However that said as parasites the one to one for a host was already a very low number *most parasitic egg layers tend to have a good number of eggs/larva inside a host organism, they also tend to eat the host not just pop out and run off leaving all that protein behind. If we went one step further the ovimorph would be an exponential loss for the aliens....needing TWO hosts to produce ONE alien. One host to turn into an egg, and then a second host for the facehugger to implant. That is pretty bad reproduction.
Alien Prey Getting Converted Into Eggs, Is Way More Interesting And Badass Than An Alien Queen Laying Them, And It Is Also, Much More, Alien.
Queen lays eggs, face huggers come out, hugs face then chestbursters bust out growing to xenomorphs.
The line doesn't contradict anything. It is natural for humans that are familiar with things laying eggs to assume eggs are being laid not just growing from left over corpses.
Some xenomorph drones have been observed to mutate into praetorians and then onto queens when being alone, and as we see in the first Alien movie, Captain Dallas' biomass was being turned into a face huger egg, which added to the mutation capability of solitary drones away from a hive, adds to the many reasons why Ash referred to it as "The Perfect Organism".
This is what makes the xenomorph so dangerous. It can use egg morphing as a contingency plan when no eggs are present, and a drone can molt into a praetorian to later become a queen. Ideally the hive would have a queen that's laying the eggs, but in the absence of that equilibrium, the drones will do whatever is necessary to achieve that.
The queen makes sense at a large scale.
Brett is already ahead of dallas being turned into an egg
I think we've also now learned that different subspecies of Alien might produce differently.
I’d like to think the Xenomorph’s will turn people into Cocoons if a Queen isn’t available.
Giger was always into metamorphosis, pretty haunting stuff, he never designed a queen except Debbie Harry
This is decades old
cocooned Captain Dallas
The idea of being transformed into an egg is gruesome but a little bit silly.
Cocooning them for breeding purposes made much more sense to me.
I always thought that egg morphing was something that occurred in the absence of a viable queen xenomorph.
With the "Who is layign the egg" line being fair...This is something handled by extended lore.
They use both. If theres' no queen, or a queen hasn't yet hatched, they use the transformation. Otherwise they use the cocoons. It helps explain where a Queen comes from, and makes them scarier. Convoluted, but...well, there are MUCH worse fan theories.
Cameron's lore of the Queen is by far the better Xenomorph life cycle idea.
It’s dangerous but if it’s a news camera they’re happy to show their face. Unreal.
The xenomorphs are incredibly adaptable. They could use both forms of egg production and Ripley would be none the wiser of it.
@ScreenRant While they are not supposed to be based on anything - The Xenomorphs have a lot of similarities to Insects, In particular, Bees... And that may explain the "Plot Hole" making it more a "Plot Contrivance"
If that scene had been included originally, Then it is Possible that without a Queen - The Xenomorph could "Create one" by Mutating Prey into Eggs to birth a new Queen and a Praetorian to Guard her... Something similar happens in Bee Colonies where if a Queen dies, Another Bee will "Mutate" into a Queen with the addition of "Royal Jelly"
As the scene never made the Original Cut, and is only in an "Extended Cut" - It does not actually affect the movies at all!
Why rearrange a human's DNA to become an actual egg when it would be much more biologically efficient to turn it into a xenomorph directly?
It would make eggs/facehuggers and queens obsolete
The Parasitoid wasp-like lifecycle already has a rather unnecessary step
(make an egg to grow a facehugger that plants a different egg? ...that finally hatches a xenomorph?)
But to actually grant a lifeform to rearrange DNA and be absolutely biological incomprehensible with it?
James Cameron didn’t know about the egg morphing scene as it wasn’t in the theatrical release of Alien. In my opinion, the two can very much co-exist. A queen can regularly make eggs but egg morphing can take place if it’s just one Xeno.
Both happen, they're the perfect organism, remember? They can lay eggs, they can turn you into an egg. They like eggs and they're gonna have eggs whether you like it or not
eggmorphing was a great idea, which implied that the eggs in the alien spaceship were its crew!
It's not a contradiction, laying eggs is more convenient, but without an available queen egg morphing is a backup option.
This must have inspired Captain Keyes becoming a flood gravemind in halo combat evolved.
Everyone knows this, the secretion from a xenomorph + a live victim CAN create an imperial facehugger which makes...a queen.
Buddy of mine told me that the reason Dallas wasn't killed is because the xenomorph chose him because he was the most intelligent. When Riply found him, he was in a halfway stage of dissolving into a primordial egg, which is a guaranteed queen.
Egg-laying, Egg-morphing; they're a versatile species...
I do think this is a fascinating angle, and goes to show how deep the themes in Alien are, and how well they are executed. Personally, i think refering to it this way downplays very clear intelligence. Knowing to crawl through vents, hide aboard the shuttles, and wait in ambush are clear intelligent predatory behaviors.
This is easy. In Alien lore, it’s known that aliens can create eggs using hosts if there’s no available queen. Also drones/warrior aliens can transform into queens if there’s no queen available.
The Alien RPG confirms that a singular Drone can and will capture as many people as possible to convert into eggs, while doing so it will emote chemical pheromones to ensure the egg hatches a Queen FaceHugger so it can ensure the future development of a hive
"Life finds a way" Malcolm in Jurassic Park
Brett was being converted while Dallas wasn't. The theory goes Brett would've become an Ovomorph containing a Royal Facehugger which would impregnate Dallas with a Queen embryo. From there the Drone would've expanded the hive and, if it had basically "won" in the movie, Ripley would've been the first and pretty much only host available, for awhile anyway till the Nostromo eventually turned up back at Earth.
If not only the people watching this video, but the creator of it actually did any research everyone would understand that everything in this video is part of the Alien lore. There are no contradictions it's just a deleted scene.
Ah, Screenrant. Getting things wrong for years. Never change!
Dallas, you have a problem.
With that scene added in it is 10 minutes after the auto destruct is activated like the computer said vs 7 minutes in the theatrical version.
You have to remember that Scott didn't really want to do a director's cut of Alien. The theatrical release is his preferred cut. He did it anyway because the studio wanted him to, and it changed the movie because of how he added deleted scenes and removed scenes that were in the original so that the pacing wasn't off.
I would say the theatrical cut is the true canon cut.
This idea show that Scott should not try to create some of the lore and should just be the director. It was his idea, the xenomorph reproduce by transforming one prey in an egg and after that the facehugger infect an another being.
Drones are capable of producing hives when there is no queen this way while a warrior can coccoon into a praetorian then a queen if one isnt present.
It could’ve been plausible either way. Nobody ever knew fully how this organism functioned.
There were thousands of eggs in the original, but no queen in sight either
I think the lore was changed to reflect that when there is no queen, the egg morphine can happen just like a regular Xeno morph can turn into a Pretoria guard or a queen itself
Just like bee's when a new hive is made and there's no queen, an egg is produced to ensure a queen is born
Xenomorphs can create eggs, just not as quickly or efficiently as a queen.
The scene from Aliens where Ripley asks what's laying the eggs isn't a deleted scene and is in the regular version and the directors cut...
It's the ultimate survivor, like Ash said. Meaning if there's no Queen present, it has an alternative way of perpetuating the species.
Xenomorphs are known to have secondary plans or alternatives. Like the pratorians becoming a queen if needed
I chose to believe that this scene is offical canon, regardless of what everybody else says. It just makes everything much better.
That deleted scene always disturbed tf out of me💀
Whoopee fu**ing do. I'm impressed 😂
Another plot whole is, that Ellen infers existence of egg laying queen in the station, from eggs being there, although She is aware that there were eggs on the Jaggernaut ship.
When Ripley says whose laying these eggs it contradicts the movie as she said earlier that kane said there were thousands of eggs on the derelict.
Regular Xenos can morph/molt into Queens when needed I thought.
In another deleted scene Ripley asked Lambert if she had ever slept with Ash. She said no. I can see why they deleted the seen it seemed to come out of nowhere.
Also in an interview Ridley Scott said he originally wanted to kill Ripley in the final scene on shuttle. But the studio heads all said no because it would be have been too depressing and they wanted her to be the sole survivor to possibly use in sequel.
It's also interesting to look at the original reviews done by Siskel and Ebert for Alien and Aliens. They gave mixed reviews for both movies.
For Alien they said it was a good sci-fi horror movie very scary but they thought it was too violent and sickening even though there was no really graphic violence scenes compared to other movies like Friday the 13th or Halloween. They praised the production value especially the rugged dirty design of the spaceship vs typical immaculate style but said it's essentially a monster in a horror house movie except the house is a spaceship.
For Aliens they were more negative. Again praising the production values but really going in on them for the excessive use of the little girl in danger trope.
You catch a prey, you turn them into an egg, this egg creates a "Queen" face hugger which then latches on to a host and births a Queen Xeno. This Queen then creates a hive that makes more eggs.
Simple.
When i was younger i just thought that a facehugger either was always present near a xenomorph or that they would produce one when there was no eggs around. But i was young and too hypnotised by the cool movie to think about it lol
The xenomorph species is the perfect organism, because it can thrive as a colony or an isolated species. If a drone realises that it is the only one, then it will capture lifeforms to convert them into eggs in the hope it will house a super face hugger that will eventually birth a queen. If there is a colony, the oldest drone will shed its exoskeleton like a spider or crabs sheds it's skin and convert to a queen. Always bringing the life cycle around one way or another. Isolated eggs are protected by a blue mist that when disturbed will cause the eggs to hatch, like how a venus fly trap closes when it detects movement. If a colony of drones realise that no potential hosts are around, they go into a protective hibernation within the hive just waiting for any movement to awaken them.
The alien and the egg question. Which came first
I think it’s amazing they cut this. Would make the whole 3rd act way more terrifying. Instead she’s just walking down a creepy hallway with fog and lights lol
I see this as maybe when there is no queen. They are able to turn us into eggs, but once a queen is around, the queen can produce the eggs at a much faster pace, so they use the hive walls, to hold us in place for the face huggers.
Each xenomorph takes on the characteristics of the host it was incubated in. Who's to say that the xenomorph that Ripley fought in the first Alien movie wasn't able to convert it's victims into eggs?
Glad they drop the conversion part.
The plot thickens... some 40 something years later.
This was my BIGGEST complaint when I saw "Aliens" for the first time. Cameron changed them into bees or ants, but the reality was much more horrible. The Alien adult would take its victims, alive or dead did not matter, and cocoon them to create more eggs. Those eggs would contain facehuggers that carried the DNA of the victims making the future spawn have the physical characteristics of the victims and perhaps their intelligence as well. Frightening.
"Aliens" still rocks though and I love that film.
Singular xenomorphs do that as a form of parthenogenesis
I always wanted Ripley to find Burke still alive & trussed up and begging to be saved/ killed before his chest bursts. Which she leaves him to his fate as you only hear ribs cracking/screams as she and Newt run
Sigorney Weaver’s line at the end of this short is NOT PART OF ANY DELETED SCENE!!! That’s straight from the theatrical edition! Followed by Bishop saying: “I don’t know. It must be something we haven’t seen yet.”