Open Baffle Hyper-Realism for $2k - DIY Elysium Debut
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- Timbre Dynamics:
www.timbredynamics.com
Reach out to me on timbredynamics.com if there is any custom work or design you would like to collaborate on.
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Video Index
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Introduction 00:36
Sound Demo 07:46
Measurements 21:53
DIY Design 30:20
ABX Audiophiles
- Website: abxaudiophiles.org/
- Open Baffle Video: • $1,500 DIY Baffle hold...
- Discord: th-cam.com/users/redirect?even...
La Dolce Audio (Terry is building a new website, so these links will change shortly)
- Wesbite: www.ladolceaudio.com/
- 1'' Compression Tweeter - www.ladolceaudio.com/lda1001-... (Price included in 15'' combo below, $200 separately)
- 15'' Mid - www.ladolceaudio.com/la-dolce... ($827 pair with tweeters)
- 18'' Sub - www.ladolceaudio.com/group-bu... ($480 pair)
Equipment Used in the Video:
HiFi ROse RS250A Streamer
Oppo BPD-83 CD player
VPI Super Prime Scout (Hana ML MC Cart)
Vincent PHO-701 Tube Phone Stage
Doge 7 Tube DAC
Doge 10 MKII B Integrated Tube Amplifier
Timbre Dynamics Elysium OpenAir Transducer Speakers
Custom GR Research Triple Threat Servo Subs
Timbre Dynamics 12TC Ultra-Clarity Helix Speaker and Power Cables
Timbre Dynamics FiberGuard Line Filter
Room decor and furniture by Timbre Dynamics
Room treatment by Timbre Dynamics & GIK Acoustics
Peace and Happy Listening! God bless! - เพลง
One of the first steps into understanding what to do, watch the ABX Audiophile video linked in the description. Join the ABX Audiophile discord, then go to the abx-baffle and open-baffle channel in Discord. Before purchasing anything, join the discord and listen to the other member's implementations and check out their designs.
Be sure to watch this entire video before asking questions. There are measurements and design considerations near the end.
One of the best run downs I have seen on our work in the baffle space!! Well done sir!!!!
Audition Heretic AD612, Toronto
Concentric one box 📦 solution
Great stuff and awesome shout outs! Keep up the great work
35:53 yes!!! This is the magic side effect that good diy OB speakers really does (when you use a design like these) it shifts your systems budget to allow for a maximized amp, preamp and source aka less compromises because you are not spending 10k plus to get a commercially made speaker to acheive this level of transparency.
Great video man! ❤
Hey Loic. I didn't recognize this was you until I posted. FYI, it was you that sold me on my Doge gear. The best advice I received in the last 3 years of reviewers. I'm a huge fan. And yes, I still love mine. Peace my friend.
Rel R&D passive subs to
control back wave guide
Sonically better w lower hz
@@CarlVanDoren61 It's a journey. I'm not sure it ever ends. At this point, really enjoying what I have currently. Build, experience, move on to something else. Peace.
@@TimbreDynamics i noticed the doge gear! Very cool!! Was that sound clip in class A?
@@hificave always!!! Kt120s
Bravo! They sound and look great!
holy crap man!!! This is amazing
Holy smoke!!! That's the best-looking DIY OB speaker I've ever seen!! I've been contemplating making one, but your video just convinced me to go for it. I love how you shaped the baffle; it looks amazing. I hope you'll share more information about show you created your baffle. JUST AMAZING!
I have a bottom module that goes with the top for the bass driver. I’m not using that bass driver due to my servo subs.
Acacia hardwood
Join the ABX discord, link in the description.
Man that was an eye opener. I really like what you did with that speaker.
So glad I could help you see what’s possible. Peace and happy listening.
I got into Open Baffle speakers about six years ago, and now Im hooked! The only box speakers I own are subwoofers for movies and car systems
Through my HP laptop with a dongle DAC and MEZE headphones, this sounds just stunning! There is a peak somewhere in the treble somewhere (not in the 8-10Khz) because it doesn't sound bright, but maybe higher up as sometimes I notice too much energy above that range. I can't hear beyond 17k, so it isn't there either. Danny at GR can figure it out.
Regardless, this has to be one of the largest (sound stage), impactful and transparent high-end systems ever through the (sonic limitations) of TH-cam. At a truly fraction of todays $400-$900k systems at the shows! Simply WOW!
Thanks for sharing! Something to think about getting when the flat packs come out since I have no way of making the baffles... And that frequency response graph is wonderful.
Very much hi-definition, and for that price is amazing these days. Can't wait until there's a kit available.
Your system flat blew me away!! I am seriously thinking about selling my box speakers and building flat panel speakers. Thanks!
Go for it! I really think most people would be really happy if done right. DIY is the way to go if you have the skills. Peace and happy listening.
This is now my go to channel.
Liked and Subscribed ✔ 👌
Wow, I'm honored.
Thank you for giving this video to the public. I am really excited about building the ABX style of speaker. Also thank you for laying the groundwork first by demonstrating that your room is well treated and the measurement sweeps show a beautiful line. Now I know that what I'm hearing is the true sound character these drivers are capable of producing.
You kept the LaDolce 15" driver (but did not slot load it), the tweeter (albeit 2 and with a flare), the original value cap, and the L pad. That's fine. We are hearing everything that the ABX version uses, minus the LaDolce 18" driver, but are instead treated with two towers of Rythmik open baffle servo drivers mounted in H-frames via GR Research.
I have a few follow up questions if I may be so bold. I think I may know the reason for some of your choices, but that may be presumptuous of me.
1. Why two tweeters and why the flare?
2. What brand of cap are you using and did you try others?
3. What frequencies are being done by the subs and what slope did you like best?
4. Did you have any other issues that you had to work around with dsp?
5. Your speaker design and finish looks audio show worthy of a room. They appear to have semi enclosures in the back. How important are they in sound quality or was it aesthetics? Again, beautiful.
1. Two tweeters is not necessary. One works just fine. This is something I'm working on with a partner. The two tweeter horn adapter should be available later this year. It's still in the prototype phase. Start with 1 and add another when this is ready.
2. You can get my external crossover 3D model with links to all the XOver parts here: www.thingiverse.com/thing:6670319
3. The subs are taking over at 120Hz. Sub slopes and other adjustments are very room specific, so sharing them here is useless for anyone. The GR research servo subs are just amazing and cost around $4k to make in a DIY kit. However, if you visit the ABX audiophile discord, you will see many people building these with the LaDolce 18'' sub bass drivers with good results.
4. I do not use DSP, never have. I have worked really hard on dialing in my room. Your room is your biggest speaker. Most people ignore it, but it's probably more important than many other things people spend money on. It's taken me 3 years to get here. I am no room acoustics expert, I only achieved this through trial and error.
5. No semi-enclosures in back. They are mounted straight to the baffle. The case you see on the back of the 15, is a crossover case (See #2 above)
One other note, I am using front loading on the 15. I am using a 9'' hole. Most people on the discord are using a 9 or 10'' hole for the 15. The group is using a similar technique on the 18 bass driver. Again, before purchasing anything, join the discord and listen to the other member's implementations and check out their designs.
Peace and happy listening.
OK SO there's beautiful plate reverb on Plas Johnson's PInk Panther tenor sax - not a concert hall recording IE genuine delays of the track - and yes it sounds amazing even over YT - I would listen for reverb on RvG recordings or on Snatana Borboletta -Mahavishnu - HevyWeather by Weather Report - precisely to hear the speakers play the reverbs - or Echoplex repeats (often cretaed by Carlos sanatna crouching on the floor)
Listening using cheap Sony headphones and the sound quality must be incredible. Currently open baffle speakers are becoming more talked about, in which the sound quality can be customized to your room without costing much. Currently MAGNAPAN is working with another engineer on adding subs w/ crossovers. The results are also incredible except at a much higher price. Thanks for sharing.
Uses DSP & isn't cheap 😮
Concern is time alignment
JLA cr-1 active crossover
Easy & accurate application
Sublime K231 less expensive
I really like what I see/hear. Will this be offered as a diy kit? Is there a parts list for the compression drivers ,horn etc?
All the links to the drivers are below in the description. They are being offered for sale by LaDolce audio. Terry is the owner. He will soon have a cnc flat pack. Reach out to him about availability.
Impressive!!!
The sound is fabulous! I'm hooked. I'm intrigued by the use of two tweeters and look forward to your video on this aspect of the design and build. Conventional wisdom says that concentric midrange/tweeter provides the best imaging. Did you find any downside by placing the tweeters a considerable distance above the midrange?
Everything is a trade off. I much prefer the tweeter outside the coax in this case. It measures so much better out than in. Perhaps a small loss in imaging, but sounds oh so much better to me. So smooth outside. Incredibly flat and less peaky response IMO. I’m going off the deep end next. 15’’ MTM. Is it possible? I think it just might be. We’ll see.
Impressive, I'm interested in your room acoustics and room setup, any new video on that?
Definitely a good topic.
Wow, these sound awesome over you tube even, great in-room measurements frequency response is spot on, What tweeters are you using and what is the cutout in front of the 15" and how far back is it recessed?
1.5'' thick Acacia hardwood baffle. 9'' hole for the 15. The tweeters I'm using here are car competition tweeters. I'll post more on those later. You don't need those. The LDA tweeters Terry sells are plenty good.
Keep music education alive :) love the design. I’m interested how they do with bad recordings or LPs Missing Depth? Sounds like it’s lacking depth? I also have open baffle and they need more powa! These seem fatiguing. Maybe I’m wrong. BTW I have Maggie’s paired with open baffle.
I sure feel underserved by my current speakers/system. Is wanting to experience this system too much to want or am I suffering from FOMO?
I'm so happy for the owner of this room and gear.
You can have something like this too. Be sure and watch the ABX Audiophile video for more information on how you can get involved.
@@TimbreDynamics Sir, thanks for the reply. I do watch ABX - seemingly a great guy. He's having great fun with speaker designs.
Very nice of you to say that I can have nice things also. However, I am pretty sure that my financials will never allow for luxuries beyond the better brand of hotdogs in the fridge.
Best wishes to you and all of the others the abilities to have achievements I cannot.
Happy with what I have I must be. Lucky to have what I do. If I can keep it.
Again, all the very best, Kevin
not sure which speakers are playing. is this the servo sub stack (GR audio?) in combo with the wood coffin shaped speaker? is that an ESS tweeter?
What’s playing are the GR Research triple threat servo subs (120hz and down) and the Elysiums (floating wood baffles). The compression horn tweeters are not a main brand anyone would know. They actually come from the competition car audio industry. More to come on those later.
Amazing job. I am listening to it on my own home-built, home-designed system. I am frustrated with the recording though - calibrated measurement mics are definitely not the go when it comes to showing off the capabilities of your sound system. You want dual, sensitive condenser mics (Shure SM27 Professional Large Diaphragm), each slightly off-axis on the opposite side of each speaker (25 degrees), but only 800mm from each channel (at mid-height, of course). Of course, levels need to be set appropriately. That recording then needs to be EQ'd to match the in-person response of your speakers (by ear, by the builder is fine).
But amazing job. Despite the recording, I can still hear the detail and spaciousness.
I would probably also ditch the Focusrite and go for an Antelope Audio Zen Go
This was recorded with an iPhone. I only use the calibrated mic for measurements. I have not invested in a lot of professional recording equipment.
Were you measuring the frequency response with the Lpad fully open, as we heard the demo's?
You mentioned using a different tweeter to suite your preference. Can you share what that was?
Did you make the horns? There is no link to them.
A video on the speaker build would be great. Thanks.
Yes and yes. To get a 20k signal from the seating position, it takes a lot of treble output. Who can hear that high anyway? However, it’s there if you want it. That’s the beauty. Again I normally listen at about 60 percent of that output. The larger the room the more open you want that lpad. These speakers should scale to a large room with no issues.
@@TimbreDynamics Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to a build video.
To get a good understanding of how good speakers are we need to hear how they deal with complex passages.
Yes they sound nice (a little bright for my taste, but nice) when you throw them an underarm slow ball that they can belt out of the park but how do they go dealing with busy passages of music?
Most speakers sound decent playing a well recorded simple 3 piece band and a vocal with plenty of space in the mix, its only when speakers have to deal with multiple instruments occupying the same range that they turn to mush, but nobody ever does a sound demo with challenging music.
It's the equivalent of testing a racecar by driving it conservatively in a straight line i'm sure it purrs but how does it go under hard throttle, hard braking, exiting and approach tight turns, inclines, when strong forces are applied?
What would you like to hear?
@@TimbreDynamics
Hologram - The Horrors
Hans zimmer - Mountains
The Mars volta - Roulette dares
Lorde - Green light
And for Bass if you want to rattle your picture frames just for fun or see how well your system can handle it.
Silverchair - Israel's son
@@crazyprayingmantis5596so many of the high end and ultra high end and their controllers and influencers are apparently terrified to have to play far more complex music passages and compare directly against far higher performance designed and built gear and setups. It becomes embarrassing to see many of these influencers apparently sell themselves out but most don't really know how to achieve genuine ultra high end performance anyway. At least some admit they are paid for sellouts and entertainers
- These baffles are anythign but genre specific... :) Cheers. The dynamic and transient ability is astounding.
EXCEPTIONAL Sound!!!
How could i buy these speakers?
Watch the ABX Audiophile video in the description. These are DIY kits you can buy and tweak to your taste.
Thx
Sorry, I missed your own measurements (sorry Danny, stay home). That frequency response is impressive. Don't know why I sometimes hear h - treble extra energy. Maybe you can answer that one - room? You Tube limitations? Again, the size - width and depth - of the soundstage + the room pressurization is world class. Congratulations!
It’s recorded with a phone. lol. That and TH-cam compression. Also I’m running these full tilt on the dual tweeter implementation, so yes this is truly a flat frequency response top to bottom.
@@TimbreDynamics - are you kidding me? I thought you had a fancy stereophonic recording. Even more impressive!
Wow. Even through cheap headphones I can hear the magic. How do I get some?
These are open community DIY speakers. First step is to join the ABX discord in the description.
🤔thank you for the review of these amazing sounding speakers, can you tell us , what artist performing the pink panther theme, at the beginnig?...and , what would be at 19.30...you discripe as : has alot of depth. thanks alot
songwhip.com/yosi-horikawa/fluid
songwhip.com/markusphilippe/pink-panther
Please make a video about these speakers.
I plan on it. I've deviated quite a bit due to my use case. I've discovered some unbelievable driver values. I currently have another pair of 15s on their way to try as well as new tweeter diaphragms. IMO, speaker manufacturers that try to build a one and done, are going to be a thing of the past. With the modern technology available to everyone and your ability to create just about anything relatively easy, I think the DIY community is about to explode. A good listening experience is a marriage between the room and your gear. The more you can tweak your gear, the happier you will be and your system purchases will translate to different use cases as you grow, move, or whatever. Open Baffle and DIY just can't be beat. It reminds me of a guy who spends 2 million on his Ferrari, then gets his tires roasted by a $60k Tesla.
@@TimbreDynamics Thank you. Great looking forward to discovering and learning more about your project. I too plan on 15 OB project, designing a Linkwitz type baffle like yours. But thought to order the Lii Song F15 or 18 plus a tweeter and the servo OB's. Got large and tall music space to fill....
@@mediascapes2011 Head on over to Hifi-Cave, Loic's channel. He has done extensive testing with Lii Song drivers. From what I hear, you have to be careful, there are imitations out there. Loic would know more about those. Good luck and peace and happy listening.
Who made the last song in the demo? Can't seem to find it in the list provided.
Ya I would like to know this song title as well
songwhip.com/yosi-horikawa/fluid
Thanks a lot
Please take the comments below as constructive. 1st I'll say that I agree with your measurement philosophy for most folks (due to room) and that Open Baffles are amazing. I see a few setup issues (acoustically); FYI, I am a acoustics engineer, Masters.
Do you have measurements for the speaker and your room. I would be interested in full spectrum frequency response, waterfall, on & off axis vertical and horizontal , and impedance curve (hard to see graph from screen) Hard to tell how well the speakers sound from a video, TH-cam however bass was very good, considering sub placement.
It's at the end of the video. Look at start of 21:53.
@@TimbreDynamics The waterfall and frequency response are extremely good, exceptional mater of fact... Your bass issues btw are more room than anything however placement and gain matching are critical. Thanks for the response, I would love to hear these compared to the GR NX-Otica and SPATIAL AUDIO M...
@@audiononsense1611those look like GR subs
@@stopher1971they are
From what I hear through my rig, this is the sound I’ve always been looking for, Will there be a smaller version? Or is there? I have a 13x13 room with 2 open walls but treated very well, these just scratched off 90% of what I was thinking of getting, I can’t even imagine watching a high dynamic movie with these
Join the abx discord, link below. The group is building many different size baffles. They also have a mini baffle they are working on. I have not personally seen or heard them yet. Plenty of options.
It’s hard to see your speakers… is that a kit I can purchase and assemble or is that an assembled speaker?
Head on over to the ABX link in the description. This is a custom speaker I created from raw drivers being offered by a partner of the ABX audiophile discord group.
Thanks for the video, but the translation should be available, including for the 260 million Portuguese speakers. Best regards.
Isn’t translation something you can initiate from TH-cam. Let me know if there’s something to set on my side. Peace and happy listening.
I like it a lot but is a great speaker that gets fatiqing after some time?
That’s what the lpad attenuator is for. You can dial down the treble to your hearts content.
What up with the whizzer 15 inchers? My educated opinion says they can't be very good. I have a 15 in my ob but it only covers 60-300
Oh, it is a coax, not a whizzer 😮
@@karabiyikoglu keep watching. I am not using it with a tweeter in the coax position. This 15 plays all the way up to 2k flawlessly. The bass in this video is handled by the twin triple threat servo sub towers.
Hey! Your website link is not working. Might want to check into it.
It appears only my website is not working. The other links should work. Try my website again in a few. It's my hosting provider. Are the other links working for you?
@@TimbreDynamics Yes, all the other links are ok.
Wow, they sound just like my non open baffle speakers - oh wait!
Additionally, your electronics are top notch, if a little bit dated...nice!
If it works, why change it. :) Spending money on your room is also very important. Peace.
I want to build your speakers + GR RESEARCH open baffel servo sub system .. my only consern, are about the subs. Are they effecient Enough ?
The servos come with their own 375 watt amp and yes they can keep up with the OB drivers no problem. They are extremely quick. If you want a custom cabinet like mine with hard wood accents, contact me.
Makes my iPhone earbuds vibrate something nasty lol.
Ha. Ear wax remover. lol.
What is the song at 14:40? Thanks!
Liberty. It’s in the description.
What rendition of pink panther is this?
songwhip.com/markusphilippe/pink-panther
Every song played here was vinyl? Unfortunately for the rest of us, a large factor in the SQ here is the dual GR Triple threat OB subs, and even just in kit/flat-pack form, the dual subs cost $4K plus your labor. Love the sound though..
No. I made these videos several days apart. After editing that was not the case. And yes, the triple threats are freaking amazing. However, jump over to the discord and hear other implementations with the 18’’ bass drivers. Pretty impressive.
Mind share the music content? System is dynamic
Down in the description
Gonna be honest. Got totally lost in the music when you played the samples. Could have spent a week in there. Thank you.
How do they sound with real music? I'm a first generation metalhead and is a whole different ballgame when choosing gear.
Metallica fan here and they sound fantastic. That’s as hard as I go. lol. Think of these like concert speakers. They are fast and can go loud.
@@TimbreDynamics Thanks for imput! What amplifier are you using?
@@user-ko8kx8vf1k Doge 10 Tube integrated. For these speakers you only need a couple of watts to get ear piercing audio levels. If you navigate to Jame's Discord and join the community, you'll see many people driving their implementations with a variety of gear.
The ABX/LDA baffles will rock your socks on all genre.. :) Dynamics for days!! These are not your full range drivers that most use for baffles.. :)
Auditioned GR Research 3 stack
Loud & obnoxious, sonics went everywhere
Own dipoles, listen to room reflections
The good news is, you can pair these with the sub of your choice. I'm a big believer in separating sub-bass from your midrange and treble.
If you watch the segment on my in-room measurements you'll see otherwise.
@TimbreDynamics
Have REW, done measurements
Still have to tune w crossover
Mains & subs match together
Subs are to assist the mains
@@CarlVanDoren61 I don't use any eq, DIRAC, or other at the moment. I'm getting a completely flat response across most of the frequency range. I have put a lot of time and energy into my room, which helps a lot. Peace.
Nice. Website/links don't work, fyi.
It appears only my website is not working. The other links should work. Try my website again in a few. It's my hosting provider. Are the other links working for you?
@@TimbreDynamics Thanks brother. Just tried it again and it seems to work fine now. 👍 I don't see any more info on how-to build your Elysiums though. Sounds great btw.
It sounds really good but it's way to toppy. Id have to turn that l-pad.
Yes. It’s dialed way up for this demo. I’ll create another video showing the difference in sound as we dial the LPad down. It can get very warm and less top heavy.
@@mikegoppert4177 yeah that top heavy sound is impressive for about 10 minutes for me! I like a warmer presentation where the highs kinda twinkle like stars. I can listen for hours like that. They are impressive though and that tweeter arrangement is interesting. Looking forward to more vids. I am considering doing Terry's ten inch driver open baffle and a dipole sub. Love the tv mount idea. The swivel tilt options are very cool. I noticed your tweeters are dipole too. It's that customized?
@@Phlooredthat’s the cool thing with these builds. There are so many ways to dial the sound to your liking. Speaker building is a marriage of the speaker to the room, not a one and done thing. These tweeters are car audio competition drivers. They are extremely well behaved. I have opened them up. They already came with an exposed inner diaphragm so it was relatively easy to do. Typically open baffles will yield a more thin sound than a typical box speaker; however, with tilting the lpad down, you get a much warmer less detailed sound. You can then change out tweeter diaphragms to match your taste in treble. I’ve gone through 5 or so different diaphragms trying to find one that matches my taste. I have another pair arriving next week. Those I believe will be a beautiful fit for my taste based on other users feedback. Terry will lead you right at the start and give you a great foundation to build upon. You can then tweak over time. Peace and happy listening.
@@mikegoppert4177 I for one like the top end. Doesn't sound bright to me, just flat and very extended. Most people haven't hear clean and clear 20 Khz and a normal reaction is that it is "too much". Most 'audiophiles' don't like horn speakers, compression drivers, or pro audio sound either - they think it's not musical and believe it is just 'too much information'.
@@keithbrandson6293 so true. I think most people haven’t really heard the full frequency range, especially at the sitting position. However in understand their view. There are times where the laid back warm sound is very comforting. There is no one right answer for everyone. It’s all a preference. Good news is you can customize these to your taste.
you are all listening on YOUR SPEAKERS!!!!!!
this means nothing
Not true. Put on some good headphones or IEMs and you can get a descent representation of what’s in the room. Spend $25 on these and come back and listen. www.amazon.com/Yinyoo-Headphones-Cancelling-Detachable-mic/dp/B07Q2LXTDF/
Recording speakers like never works.
Spend $25 on a good set of IEMs and you'll hear otherwise. Buy these and then come back and listen. www.amazon.com/Yinyoo-Headphones-Cancelling-Detachable-mic/dp/B07Q2LXTDF/
Why play all that music and talk over it? Had no idea what you were talking about.
You really don't get how this speak sounds as I'm play this through a tv. Had to skip all the music.
Were you playing these open baffle speakers on their own, or did you have your base speaker playing as well.
I was playing them with my servo subs. However there are plenty of people building them with the 18’’ bass speakers available. You can go listen to their implementations.
To appreciate the sound, you must listen with good-quality headphones or ear buds. If you do, you should be able to hear my voice just fine. Peace and happy listening.
Great home hobbyist
So far from commercial
Ah well
To each his own. That's why we have choices and the freedom to move on to something else. Peace.
Boooooo.... LOL Cheer up buddy! :) Life is to short.. :) Get your baffle on.. HA
Not too hard to build
@@DustinDonohue Piece of cake.
New to channel..greetings from france 😊
Welcome!!