EBow Wars: Joyo Infinite Sustainer | TC Aeon
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- Joyo Infinite Sustainer. TC Electronic Aeon. How do they compare in use and sound to the original EBow Plus? Let's find out!
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04:27 New Ebow
04:54 Old Ebow
06:11 TC Aeon
09:08 Joyo Infinite Sustainer
11:56 Joyo harmonizer mode
12:26 Old Ebow harmonizer mode
13:06 Pros and cons of each
Ebow’s customer service is the best in all the music industry period. I have sent my Ebow in for repair and received a band new one with NO and I mean zero questions or rebuttal from this company. I proudly fly my Ebow sticker on my guitar case for everyone to see at my gigs! Great little device created decades ago and still works as designed.
Good to hear!
Finally someone who can actually use the ebow instead of talking about it!
After almost 20 years I finally bought an Ebow because of your video, I'm having so much fun.
Thank you.
Thank you for all your great demos and helpful info. This channel has been very helpful to me over the years. The demos have helped me make a few purchase decisions & the tips & tricks have helped me discover things I never knew about pedals I already own. Thanks again.
I have a E-Bow I got about 17 years ago. I LOVED this awesome video! I always enjoy your take on this type of stuff as I feel YOU are the king of Ambient guitar. Thank you for the fun demo!
Thank you for the awesome review! I can see how passionate you are about your equipment and the music you make with it. Also...your attention to every detail of each device was extremely informative and helpful! Not to mention your excellent playing!
Your playing is as calming as your voice
Wonderful, useful information, thanks! I have the EBow, having been introduced to it on your earlier videos, and love it. Keep up the great work!
Proudly using the e-bow backwards for over 15 years!
is it one e-bow?
Wow!
Wobe
I use the Joyo and just found out I also hold it backwards.
Amazing that’s the reason I searched for Ebo today. I just realized that turning it backwards is quite cool if only the light was on both sides.✌🏽❤🤘🏽
My EBow is probably 20+ old. Came with a cassette! Mine has the "Sith" red led!
Nothing with a blue LED is very old... way back when, blue LED's cost like $40 a pop, as they were so difficult to make xD
I think I may of got mine around '94. It was a Xmas present from my dad. I remember the instructional cassette.
@@JRP3music Yeah, back then, Red, green and amber were the colors LED's came in. Blue LED's didn't exist before the 90's, were nothing more than a novelty until the late 90's, took over everything in the early naughts, and won a nobel prize in physics in 2014, due to blue LED's allowing for ANY color lighting at all using phosphors, which, as we know, changed everything.
@@rich1051414 the ebow light doesn't look blue to me, it looks purple or ultraviolet.
@@rich1051414 Mine is from 1999 -20 years- and has a blue LED. '99, or so, was when the prices on blue LEDs started to drop precipitously, if you could buy in bulk.
Despite playing for 25 years, I just bought an Ebow a couple years ago and I LOVE IT!!! Thanks for making this video because now I don't have to wonder if there's something better out there. Also I am definitely gonna have to try that trick there where you started pushing the string into the pickup. I also keep meaning to try using the Ebow and a slide at the same time. I guess I know what I'm doing after work today.
slide and ebow is evil fun on bass guitar, I assume on a 6 string it should be even better
It’s nice to have a truly nice guy that takes the time to look at the comments that we make-- and even takes time to REPLY to them ‼ I think the best word for that is… “CARES”… He cares what we think and I can tell all he wants , is to do WHAT we think , and improve what he is doing , ……. Trying to help those of us that need some NEW ideas ‼Excellent teacher‼
I’m new to his music- 70y/o and trying to learn . This is a place where I think I have a chance 🙏‼
This is a wonderful demo. Thank you!
What a great video. I’ve been an Ebow for years, and didn’t know there were alternatives out there. Happy to be subscribed to your channel.
What's it like being an ebow?
Thanks for doing the shootout! I got my 1st Ebow a few months back and have been wondering id I made three right choice. I now know I have!
Perfect review, thanks! I was just thinking about this dilemma! Now i have every information that i need; of course i don't know what i really want to do because you did not say: 'buy this, my friend', but you let me decide knowing what i would buy.
These are just the best reviews, you make us use our brain and our heart ;-)
Thanks for this review! Just ordered the Joyo!
Thanks for a great comparison video! I was interested in an Ebow for ambient guitar tracks on a studio project, and I thought, hmmm I would love to see a comparison of all the options. Answered all my questions! Thank you!
You have a Bob Ross sort of vibe!!! Bought an Ebow for a friend of mine decades ago and it brings back memories. I'm gonna check out these other brands for sure.
Man, I just KNEW you'd be my guy with regards to this shootout! Great work, again❤
Just used an EBow for the first time this past year... It was kind of mystifying, but it sure was fun to experiment! Looking forward to seeing the comparison... Love your videos! :)
I was disappointed at first with my Aeon but over time I learned to use it and love it.
Thanks for another awesome video Bill🙏🏼☺️
I really love that distorted tone at 12:12 with the Joyo :) first I wanted that Aeon but now I think I will definitely buy the original Ebow or Joyo. Thanks for this video
My e-bow is the original chromed plastic with a leather holster from 1970’s. Activates automatically when held against strings, no switches, not nearly as hot as the modern ones, and I love it!
First of all thanks for not using your site to sell. This looked to me to be a very honest comparison. I did notice the Joyo last week online and wondered how it compared to the Ebow. I've come to a point where I am going to get one soon. And I am on a budget. That means that I can fool myself pretty easy into buying something based only on price, only to break down and buy the better item later on. So I have been curious about the Joyo Infinite sustainer. I don't have any experience so I depend on honest shoot outs like this one. Long way to say thank you.
I had an e-bow over twenty years ago, and I remember that they are really "hot" when holding it right over the pickup, esp. the neck pickup...with some boost or distortion you can more easily get the stringy-to-string fake violin or cello type bow stuff. There is a huge dynamic difference between holding it over and not over the pickup..not over requires more time for the string to start up a strong vibration and get going. when over a pickup the e-bow just seems to "explode" the string down into the pickup directly below. It is probably the interaction of the e-bow not just vibrating the string physically but reacting with the magnetic field of the pickup right below..they are awesome, they just require some time to get down physically holding along different parts of the string and how that influences your volume and rate of attack.....have fun!
J Kris this is what separates an experienced ebow player from an inexperienced player. The subtleties in pickup position show how much an artist understands his guitar and the ebow in comparison to someone who’s hoping for the best.
It’s been infuriating over the years to listen to guys up on stage trying to ‘tame’ their sound and try to control the subtle feedback with their guitars.
Sort yourselves out guys and girls
That Guitar is so beautiful it about brought me to tears
Hey thanks for the comparison I needed this. !
Glad it was useful!!
It humours me that I'm still on the Ebow Official Artists page from videos I did 12 years ago
Probably the only one since.
Can only hope
You see, that’s what they call it infinite sustain.
Mudge07 that’s the best. Haha
I have the single switch black one & the grey dual switch plus a Fernandez sustainer guitar. Love em all.
I owned and loved my Ebow but its gone, I have a Fernandes in the mail so I'd love any input you have ???
Just like this amazing device I could go on forever and ever and ever about how amazing the ebow is but thats what i have always found fascinating about these things so im glad i took the plunge & bought one of these bad boys ! The ebow is so much fun and you get a freaking amazing sound !
@@ApolloVIIIYouAreGoForTLI Setting up the inner controls is important for controlling the speed of your note swelling volume. Adjusting the pickup height makes a difference too. Now my neck sustainer pickup has a bad hum to it if I want to use it in the normal mode, but ok with it in sustainer mode. If you have a Floyd Rose system the bridge pickup string/pole spacing is off. So I got a F space Screaming Demon Seymour Duncan pickup and put it in instead of the stock one. Thanks
Yup I'm buying the joyo..I purchased the nueron after watching your channel the Neuron is next gen pre amp.. very happy with it...cheers
Excellent video demo Bill ..
After watching this video, my interest in owning an EBow was renewed. I found a mint used EBow Plus on Reverb for $65!
Good deal! I got my EBow Plus off Ebay for only $60. 👍🎸
THANK YOU for making this video
i love this guy. that intro sounded so cool!
Thanks. For a very valuable comparison
Luv my Joyo. Really useful and consistent.
Wow, what a great review! So refreshing to see different genres of playing being considered, and pros & cons of each device, rather than "I like the ebow so everything else is trash & so are you if you don't agree". Thank you 😊
Spot on. Thanks for a great, and fair, comparison.
The Joyo does seem to generate more vibration. Its definitely muscle memory that affects your ease of using the 3 (although the rectangular shape of the Aeon doesn't seem to lend itself to the most comfortable grip. Chalk 1 up for ergonomics!)
My E-bow is so old that it has Horse hair.
It just bow then... XD
@@mcr0741 my ebow from 1980 disintegrated
@@AnthonyUK100 vaporized
Goddamn that joke tickled my nerd lobe directly. That was a gooooood one.
Really interesting comparison test - many thanks! My EBow has been a constant companion to my “ambient guitar” work since I bought it in 1996 (! - black, red LED, pre-Plus version). It hasn’t fallen apart on me yet, though I wonder if the electrical connections are getting a little “fragile” as it occasionally cuts out on me. Really appreciate your review here 🙏
How funny, I was just thinking about the E-bow yesterday. 😁 It’s like you read my mind. 😏
Love the bittersweet melody
I own Phil Keaggy's first e-bow. It has the chrome finish and comes on automatically when you hold it over the strings. He gave it to me about 7yrs ago.
Sweet!!! That was my first too.
@Neon Hombré Yes he does! I did a song with him a few years back. If you look up my youtube channel, Mark Breton and play the song Devon you will get to hear him play a killer lead towards the end. It was just awesome to get to work with him.
Very cool. I loved his first solo album What a Day. His work with Glass Harp is great and the dude can sing too.
Great review! Thank you
I´ve used my E-bow on my acoustic guitar for many years now. It sounds great (I think)
Great video
Good to hear you are making it work on acoustic!!
Great presentation!
Thanks for sharing! Btw, I love your guitar ;-)
Great review thanks 🙏
I’d say the longer rails on the Joyo may help prevent accidental slipping (don’t know, haven’t tried it). I have trouble with that sometimes with my ebow, especially when singing & ebowing at the same time
Great demo , Joyo gets my vote .
Thanks, very helpful!
wow! recently bought an EOB strat (with the"near infinite" fernandes pick-up) and i thought i'd be satisfied but hearing the volume swells in particular and also that string smashing thing you did with the EBow - i am reconsidering. I thought the Aeon sounded fuzzier and i didn't like it's form factor - the EBow both old and new sounded cleaner than the Joyo - wish there was a polyphonic version but i always want more :) - thx for the info and much food for thought, cheers from Tasmania
German company Vibesware, makes one, that does that.
Your channel should be called "Chords of Onion Knight"
this comment is FIRE
Whutchu talking about Willis?
I agree
I still love my elbow classic . I found mine in the recording studios dumpster smashed to all hell and it worked once I soldered it back together plus I modified mine to attach to my finger and hooked down my arm to the battery with a wire and a 2.4 volt booster circuit . Guys omg these things are the shit
can you make a photos? does it have more power?
FYI the EBow uses a ‘self-lubricating’ plastic explicitly to reduce string noise from contact on the support strings, and it has an easy throw switch for ease of switching between modes while playing. It’s the only device that can efficiently arpeggio across the strings at any pace you play. The trick to adding Cross String Bowing to your EBow technique is a matter of employing the dynamics of proximity to pickup (the EBow playing area) properly. Basically, stay away from the loudest spot (Hot Spot) when sustaining and move the EBow directly over the Hot Spot to cross strings quickly. The EBow acts as a handheld amplifier, amplifying each string as you cross. Another benefit of this ‘playing area’ approach is that the EBow can remain close to your picking/plucking volume - so it’s easier to use live. Fast arps tend to be quieter as each activated string doesn’t get the chance to vibrate up to full effect, but they still maintain the sound of a bow passing over each string.
Another thing to try is tilting the EBow foot away from the driven string (with one of the foot’s guide grooves still resting on it’s support string) to get the amount of effect you desire/and or to keep your sustain volume the same but with a brighter tone. Nearer the Hot Spot is also where the staccato and spiccato effects live and breathe. One last detail to keep in mind is that the neck pickup is better because that’s where the strings vibrate the most freely, when playing close to the bridge the string tension increases and becomes less responsive to the EBow’s electro-magnetic drive.
These notes may be helpful on the other handheld sustainers, but the cross string effects can only be done with an EBow. The knockoffs missed some major design details that the actual inventor of this magical device did not. Jus’ sayin’.
I also have found that if you tilt the elbow in unison with a string bend you can most times get away with bending too.
Got 3 ebows. The first is a vintage silver model. The second is from the '80s (I rmember i bought it in London at Rock Stop - Charing Cross Road). The third is the last model with harmonic mode. I love the black from the eighties, 'cause I've used it manily live and in studio for the music I've payied/recorded.
Great comparison, thank you for a very useful content :)
by the way TC Aeon sounds for me more like a woodwind kind of sound
Boy that sure is a beautiful guitar.
i love you sir davos, thank you for the video
I have never used one, but thought when you said 15 years, "I don't think that is old" as far as how long the Ebow has been around. I use GTR, Roland GR1 to seperate amp. I have a new freeze pedal but it is still in the box. Thanks for the time and effort to make the video for us!!
The E-bow wins followed by surprising entrant Joyo Infinite Sustainer follow by t.c. Aeon which appears awkward in shape and perhaps lacking in smaller magnetic design. Thank You for your always insightful demo's. The Joyo would do if it is significantly less, but the 2 modes on the E-bow make it a no brainer, making a case for "you get what you pay for".
Ok I got the Aeon. It’s absolutely fantastic and it feels magnificent in your hand makes it much easier to manipulate. If you can’t change strings easily, practice it! It’s not hard at all it’s very very smooth for string changes. It’s an absolute beast. I can imagine the people who are saying it might be difficult to change Are accustomed to a different feel. But it’s very smooth and changes strings effortlessly.
I still have my 1970's Chrome eBow. Haven't used it in forever. I guess it's time to pull it out of storage and re-power it.
Interesting. It’s the first time I’m seeing this device somehow and it’s exactly what I’ve been looking for.
it is certainly a bit obscure unless if you're a fan of certain artists like The Edge who used it occasionally but infinite sustain is such a cool thing
@@TheZooropaBaby Fripp. Flock of Seagulls for me.
04:26 The two first notes you play make me think of Gizmo's song in Gremlins.
Years ago I got an EBow and thought it was great...until I played a guitar with a Sustainiac built in. The guitar was the Jackson DK2S (since discontinued, but available on eBay for under $1k). Schecter makes guitars with Sustainiacs built in and Fernandez makes guitars with their own sustainer system. Having the sustainer built into the guitar frees up both hands for soloing. The eBow (and the other, similar products) sound different than the Sustainiac, so I can see why you might want both. But the Sustainiac does everything I need.
Hey - nothing wrong with that. It's all about finding the tools that allow you to make the music you want to make!
I didn’t know that . Thanks for the tip
I have got a sustainiac in my Fernandez. It's really great, and has extra adjustments that you can not do with the E-Bow variants. But it only works on one guitar, and there are techniques that you can't do with it, that you can with a hand held. So I want both 🤠
I got my eboy around 1990. Still have it - needed to drop in a new battery connector recently. It's black with a red LED.
Oh wow this video reminds me i have an E-Bow in one of my guitar cases i didn't use it for quite some time now but i'll find and use it again!
The JOYO web page shows it is intended to be held the other way round to the way you hold it in the demo. I remember seeing a demo somewhere where the player slides the EBow vertically up and down across the strings to produce a rapid bowing effect similar to a cross string violin technique. I don't know how that was done, maybe just lots of gain. I've never been able to do it since the sustain effect takes time for the sustain to build and anyway the rails tend to hang up on the strings.
You are correct, however, I tried both ways, and prefer the direction I hold it in. The cool thing is that works and sounds the same in either orientation. Also, if you are interested, I have an EBow tutorial that covers the techniques that you refer to: th-cam.com/video/Z--TKWFPn9g/w-d-xo.html
Bill, the way you roll out the words in your presentation almost make me think you perform a new composition to us. If all electric equipment commercials were performed like this, I think my wallet will be emptied earlier 🤣🤣.
I like the Peter Frampton tv concert where he's playing the Song " Black Hole Sun"....that was a weird but cool BADASS jam...I love it.......
That 15th fret to 12th fret move on the B string is grating my brain from oversaturation
I generally avoid videos that aren't made by people in the same genre of music that I play (not hating- it just makes sense to see the tools being used in a similar environment to the one in which I intend to use them), but I wanted to say this review is amazing, because you considered so many aspects that may not even apply to you- the high-gain amp situation, for example! Thanks for the video, I've bought the Aeon because I actually don't even know how to dial in a proper clean tone.
Thank you for this review. Yes, for me the original ebow has a warmer sound, but I choose the joyo because this extra high freq make a better sound on a bass guitar. An useful review, thank you again
Javier JanAid Is the Joyo’s harmonic mode really that different to the EBow’s harmonic mode for bass playing?
With Joyo sound is more clear and clean. With ebow sound is so beautiful too, but if you watch this video ebow sound (7:53) have some muddeness, a darker tone in comparation with Joyo(9:28) . Maybe some people don´t like that "extra" tone joyo has, but for me ,as a bass player ,it´s something good, because prevent to have muddiness playing low notes. ;-) So I left my ebow in the drawer and now I´m using Joyo :-) . SO diference, that´s my oppinion, is in tone. Any extra magic stuff on harmonic mode ;-) Have a wonderful day Terry
It sounds to me like the Ebo is "rightly" sensitive and seems to have the ability to have a little more control over the sound as well as the harmonizing feature.
Another consideration that you didn't mention is the ergonomics of the device, how it feels in the hand and how the design makes for comfortable and easy playing. Looking at how you hold the Aeon in an upright position in relation to the strings makes me think that perhaps it is more awkward in use.
thank you thom yourke, i shall use a ebow soon
Last time I needed to I sent my ebow into the factory, and they did a rebuild.
I use the "much hated" 90s black ones, and do not love the sound of the new ones by comparison.
It was having switch issues, they popped it open, replaced the switch, and resealed.
James iha is another master of the ebow.
I think Danny Ash used it best.
@@falconerpdx never heard of him......🤔
@@pappsco54 Love & Rockets and Bauhaus!
Great video 👍
Like the new ebow 👍🏻
I agree completely, been a big fan of the Ebow since the early 80's what a band called the Bongos used it, followed by Bill Nelson. Mine is 15 years old, and I love it to death. the Joyo looks good if on a budget, but I wouldn't use the TC Aeon, due to it's alien shape.
Great comparison demo of these devices. To these 60+ year old ears, the new ebow sounds a bit smoother/warmer. I didn't care for the TC for the opposite reason.
My ebow is so old, it doesn't have the harmonic mode.
I have an original one, in chrome, it doesn't even have a switch. Just automatic on when you put it on the strings.
I had an Ebow in the late 80s. At a gig, I left it sitting on my amp during a break, and when I came back for the next set, it was gone.
I know your pain. My original EBow from the late 70s, was stolen along with all of my equipement. It was heart rending!
Yes, it feels like a betrayal, when the people you are playing your heart out for, steal from you.
I remember trying ebows out in the 70s and they were chrome. Did a photo search and sure enough there are some pics of them.
Yes. I owned one back in the late 70s. It is a chrome finish on the plastic housing.
Also, while looking for this I came across something called the Gizmotron. It's on the expensive side but for someone like you who using this sort of thing all the time, you might be interested. It's sort of like an ebow type thing but it's set up on the bridge of your guitar and it's polyphonic. You can play chords and bass lines and stuff. It actually sounds pretty incredible. So, maybe check it out if you want.
Actually, I have a Gizmotron. Here's a playlist of the videos I have posted using it: th-cam.com/play/PLseB5HzFJKVzmXZpT6fypMXVNM4neAYWi.html
FANTASTIC !!! 💓💓💓👏👏👏👏👍👍🏻👍👍
I can do the same thing with the hollow body Gretch and a booster but I guess I would get one of those Joyo just for the hell of it as a noisemaker
Thank you!!
How timely. I have wanted an Ebow for years, but just yesterday ordered a new product called the Sound Stone Sustainer. Excited to try it.
Hey Bill - sorry for that distraction - was just trying to answer your query about the pronunciation. I've removed my parts of that thread since it drifted wayyyy off topic. Still loving the eBow!
love all your video ...
Thank you so much 😀
Seems like the e-bow is just all round smoother. I also like the new (black) on - it just sounds more refined.
I’ve owned and played Ebow since they were introduced. I love the original Silver one without the switch of which I have two. The switched version is nice because of the Harmonic feature. The newer versions are hotter than the original. I do prefer non alkaline 9v batteries as they tend to sag just a little bit which gives me more control. You can see the led light dim just a bit when the Ebow is under maximum stress.
I`m gonna stick with E-bow. Can`t imagine sweeping with Aeon🙃
Joyo however seems to be fine as well, I like white color more
It doesent seem to drive as hard. I kind of like it that way
@@xanhteps8667 which device do you mean?Aeon?