Hi! Thanks very much for commenting. This knot is a classic for sure but I tend to use it for braid only. There are better knots for mono available IMO. Cheers, Matt.
a BIG THANK YOU for your videos. Ive watched many "Carp How To" on You Tube and your Mr Collins are the most easy to follow, giving me full confidence in replicating them. Keep up the good work! Greetings from Slovakia. (home to some great Carp fishing also)
Hi Simon, thanks ever so much for your comment! It really means a lot to us. We still have more videos to publish and plenty of new content that we've yet to film. I've never been to Slovakia but I understand that there is some amazing carp fishing out there! Perhaps one day I'll get to visit. In the meantime enjoy the videos, and enjoy your fishing! Cheers, Matt.
Hi Fred, thanks for the feedback. Personally I wouldn't recommend using the Palomar knot to connect a spod or spomb as you'd have to pass the spod through the loop which can be a little awkward. Choice of knot should really depend on the material you are using. Personally I use a braided mainline with a heavy mono leader to absorb the impact of the cast. The humble blood knot (or clinch knot) is a good choice for heavy mono so that’s what I use a lot of the time. You only need 3 turns with 0.60 leader. The other option is to form a large loop and tie an overhand knot. The loop needs to be 10cm + and then you can loop to loop the spod/spomb on and off the swivel. This enables me to use one rod as both a marker rod and a leading rod which can be handy. Hope that makes sense. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Alan, thanks for commenting. I don't use much fluorocarbon in my fishing now but I used it enough over the years to know that the humble blood knot is the one you need. You need to pay particular attention to how you tighten it. Don't use the tag end to tighten it down, just pull the swivel and the mainline. Use a puller and a glove. Wet well with saliva. Don't use too many turns! Adding turns may weaken the knot. As a rough guide for 20lb flouro use 2-3 turns only. Test every knot you tie. Use a bucket filled with water or a weight and attach a swivel to it. You may find that 20lb fluoro might break at way below 20lbs! Experiment with number of turns to establish a pattern with each brand you use. At Beausoleil, we use an 8kg weight to test 25lb Big Game. That way we know that if it can take a 17.5lbs dead lift, you stand a fighting chance of banking catfish in excess of 100lbs. All the best, Matt.
Hi Matt grat video as always, learning so much from your channel! I have bought some ready made spiced leaders with the loop in the end. Would you use the knot on the mainline to the leader? Like in this video but not with the swivel, with the leader. Thanks
Hi Mark, if you want to connect the mainline to a spliced leader then I would use the single grinner (also known as the uni knot). We cover this is this video: th-cam.com/video/WiqE4u35MK8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mJqqJYLVHZchIGLd
Mathew I know this video is nearly 10 years old now but can you help me with a issue I'm having when tying knots whilst making sea fishing rigs? So I use the double grinner for my hooks and swivel knots and the knot itself is perfect but for some reason after 30 years of fishing and always making my own rigs I'm getting a lot line kinking when I'm pulling my knots tight even with memory free line like amnesia and I'm using tons of lubrication from my mouth lol. No matter what knot I am using or whatever brand of line I'm using I'm getting this happening on every hook length. 0s braid not a issue it's just mono or copolymer 👍 Thanks in advance 🤝
Hi there, the double grinner is notorious for creating kinks when you're tightening it down, and the problem is worse nowadays because monos have various additives to improve their abrasion resistance. It's more of an aesthetic thing, it doesn't change the strength of the knot but I can see why it bothers you. Try switching to the Palomar knot as, if done correctly, it doesn't kink when you tighten it. Another option is the half blood knot, I use it a lot with heavy mono leader, a 3 turn in 0.50 is very strong and you'll get a kink free finish after carefully cinching.
Hi David, to be honest, I stopped using the Palomar knot a couple of years ago after doing extensive knot testing. To connect the mainline to the swivel, I now use the 4 turn blood knot as it’s actually stronger. Cheers, Matt.
Hi mate, thanks for commenting. Basically yes going twice through the eye when tying a double grinner or double uni knot with braid does make it stronger. All braids behave differently so I would always recommend testing each make with a range of knots to see which is best. The knots I use are very strong with the materials I use. All the best with your fishing. Cheers, Matt.
Hi mate, the grinner knot is perfect for braid but that's about it I'm afraid! For heavy mono (0.40+) and fluorocarbon I would use the classic 4 turn or even 3 turn blood knot. Whenever tying fishing knots I would strength test them yourself so you know exactly how reliable they are and what force it takes to break them. At my lake Beausoleil, we use a bucket filled with water to make it weigh 20lbs. If the knot can lift the bucket, it's good enough to bank some of the large fish we have. All the best with your fishing. Cheers, Matt.
Matthew Collins thank you for the advice mate, i'll give it a try for sure. I t'v been using the palomar knot but its failing vs the heavy ones. Thank & tight lines.
Hi Brian, thanks for commenting. The grinner knots works great when connecting braid to anything so yes you can use it to tie to a hook but personally I always use the knotless knot as it helps the hook flip and turn and it enables me to use the hook link to create a hair to mount the baits on. All the best with your fishing, Cheers, Matt.
It’s not always as simple as saying that one knot is better than the other because of other factors. Knot strength very much depends on what material you are referring to. It also depends on which knot you are best at tying. Also, certain knots are easier to tie than others in certain situations. If you use a palomar knot to connect your hooklink you have to make a loop large enough to pass the hook and bait through. For me, it’s slow and cumbersome and I’m not convinced it’s worth swapping. At our lake, we’ve done real world testing of the 5 turn grinner with 35lbs Armourlink for the last 5 years and it’s good enough to consistently bank multiple 100lbs catfish (we have cast to 2m+, 135lbs). I’m not saying that there aren't other options but in my experience this knot in this material is up to the job.
@@matthewcollinsangler I use Palomar and I land everything from tunas to sharks. One line is giving me a problem Daiwa Saltiga 12. It's very expensive and I was hoping will be great but I can't find good knot for that super slippery line. Palomar and double Palomar is just not working with that line (only 50% of strength).
@@newera3757 Slippery lines can be a problem for sure. This hooklink material is designed for carp and catfish fishing and doesn't slip. That’s why it works for us. I’m a big fan of doing my own knot testing and use a dumbbell or kettle bell to perform deadlift tests. You need to make a simple swivel connection loop but that’s easy to do. Then it’s just a question of trying some knots. TBH I don’t pay any attention to rated breaking strain of any material. Diameter is more important. Then I test the knots to give a factor of safety of 3 to 4 times the power of the rod and that’s what works for us. Good luck solving your problem, Matt.
this is the best freacking tutorial of grinner knot i've ever seen
Thanks mate!
Beautifully done. Thanks a million for that video I will be using this knot from now on. 😊
Hi! Thanks very much for commenting. This knot is a classic for sure but I tend to use it for braid only. There are better knots for mono available IMO. Cheers, Matt.
a BIG THANK YOU for your videos. Ive watched many "Carp How To" on You Tube and your Mr Collins are the most easy to follow, giving me full confidence in replicating them. Keep up the good work! Greetings from Slovakia. (home to some great Carp fishing also)
Hi Simon, thanks ever so much for your comment! It really means a lot to us. We still have more videos to publish and plenty of new content that we've yet to film. I've never been to Slovakia but I understand that there is some amazing carp fishing out there! Perhaps one day I'll get to visit. In the meantime enjoy the videos, and enjoy your fishing! Cheers, Matt.
Brilliant Mat
Hi Chris, thanks mate, glad that you liked it. Cheers, Matt.
great video for a new comer I'm using all you videos to assist with my fishing, can we have a palomar video please
Great video. Can I use this knot to attach a spot bomb?
Hi Fred, thanks for the feedback. Personally I wouldn't recommend using the Palomar knot to connect a spod or spomb as you'd have to pass the spod through the loop which can be a little awkward. Choice of knot should really depend on the material you are using. Personally I use a braided mainline with a heavy mono leader to absorb the impact of the cast. The humble blood knot (or clinch knot) is a good choice for heavy mono so that’s what I use a lot of the time. You only need 3 turns with 0.60 leader. The other option is to form a large loop and tie an overhand knot. The loop needs to be 10cm + and then you can loop to loop the spod/spomb on and off the swivel. This enables me to use one rod as both a marker rod and a leading rod which can be handy. Hope that makes sense. Cheers, Matt.
Thanks Matthew, very well explained.
+divafizz Cheers, glad you liked it!
Great videos Matt any video on the palomar knot to come? New to big carp fishing really and finding these tips successful already 👍
Awesome many thanks mat
You're welcome mate, glad you're enjoying the channel :)
hi matthew when a palomar knot is not used what knot would you recommend for fluoro to a swivel
Hi Alan, thanks for commenting. I don't use much fluorocarbon in my fishing now but I used it enough over the years to know that the humble blood knot is the one you need. You need to pay particular attention to how you tighten it. Don't use the tag end to tighten it down, just pull the swivel and the mainline. Use a puller and a glove. Wet well with saliva. Don't use too many turns! Adding turns may weaken the knot. As a rough guide for 20lb flouro use 2-3 turns only. Test every knot you tie. Use a bucket filled with water or a weight and attach a swivel to it. You may find that 20lb fluoro might break at way below 20lbs! Experiment with number of turns to establish a pattern with each brand you use. At Beausoleil, we use an 8kg weight to test 25lb Big Game. That way we know that if it can take a 17.5lbs dead lift, you stand a fighting chance of banking catfish in excess of 100lbs. All the best, Matt.
thank you
brilliant video many thanks :)
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it :)
Hi Matt grat video as always, learning so much from your channel! I have bought some ready made spiced leaders with the loop in the end. Would you use the knot on the mainline to the leader? Like in this video but not with the swivel, with the leader. Thanks
Hi Mark, if you want to connect the mainline to a spliced leader then I would use the single grinner (also known as the uni knot). We cover this is this video: th-cam.com/video/WiqE4u35MK8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mJqqJYLVHZchIGLd
@@matthewcollinsangler you are a legend, Matt. Thanks a lot 🙏
Mathew I know this video is nearly 10 years old now but can you help me with a issue I'm having when tying knots whilst making sea fishing rigs? So I use the double grinner for my hooks and swivel knots and the knot itself is perfect but for some reason after 30 years of fishing and always making my own rigs I'm getting a lot line kinking when I'm pulling my knots tight even with memory free line like amnesia and I'm using tons of lubrication from my mouth lol. No matter what knot I am using or whatever brand of line I'm using I'm getting this happening on every hook length. 0s braid not a issue it's just mono or copolymer 👍 Thanks in advance 🤝
Hi there, the double grinner is notorious for creating kinks when you're tightening it down, and the problem is worse nowadays because monos have various additives to improve their abrasion resistance. It's more of an aesthetic thing, it doesn't change the strength of the knot but I can see why it bothers you. Try switching to the Palomar knot as, if done correctly, it doesn't kink when you tighten it. Another option is the half blood knot, I use it a lot with heavy mono leader, a 3 turn in 0.50 is very strong and you'll get a kink free finish after carefully cinching.
When are you doing the video about tying the paromor knot?
Hi David, to be honest, I stopped using the Palomar knot a couple of years ago after doing extensive knot testing. To connect the mainline to the swivel, I now use the 4 turn blood knot as it’s actually stronger. Cheers, Matt.
why go through the swivel twice ? i normally just go through it once, is twice a lot stronger ? thanks
Hi mate, thanks for commenting. Basically yes going twice through the eye when tying a double grinner or double uni knot with braid does make it stronger. All braids behave differently so I would always recommend testing each make with a range of knots to see which is best. The knots I use are very strong with the materials I use. All the best with your fishing. Cheers, Matt.
Hi Mathew, can this work on fluorocarbon leader as well?
Hi mate, the grinner knot is perfect for braid but that's about it I'm afraid! For heavy mono (0.40+) and fluorocarbon I would use the classic 4 turn or even 3 turn blood knot. Whenever tying fishing knots I would strength test them yourself so you know exactly how reliable they are and what force it takes to break them. At my lake Beausoleil, we use a bucket filled with water to make it weigh 20lbs. If the knot can lift the bucket, it's good enough to bank some of the large fish we have. All the best with your fishing. Cheers, Matt.
Matthew Collins thank you for the advice mate, i'll give it a try for sure. I t'v been using the palomar knot but its failing vs the heavy ones. Thank & tight lines.
Yeah, I can see why you've had problems. I don't use flourocarbon much anymore but when I do I'd trust the blood knot over anything else :)
Hi mat is it ok to use the grinner knot on a hook
Hi Brian, thanks for commenting. The grinner knots works great when connecting braid to anything so yes you can use it to tie to a hook but personally I always use the knotless knot as it helps the hook flip and turn and it enables me to use the hook link to create a hair to mount the baits on. All the best with your fishing, Cheers, Matt.
Thanks for your replie mat ,ye I use the hair rig ,tho not always when I'm using pop ups , thanks mat
No worries mate, thanks, Matt.
Palomar is stronger then Grinner?
It’s not always as simple as saying that one knot is better than the other because of other factors. Knot strength very much depends on what material you are referring to. It also depends on which knot you are best at tying. Also, certain knots are easier to tie than others in certain situations. If you use a palomar knot to connect your hooklink you have to make a loop large enough to pass the hook and bait through. For me, it’s slow and cumbersome and I’m not convinced it’s worth swapping. At our lake, we’ve done real world testing of the 5 turn grinner with 35lbs Armourlink for the last 5 years and it’s good enough to consistently bank multiple 100lbs catfish (we have cast to 2m+, 135lbs). I’m not saying that there aren't other options but in my experience this knot in this material is up to the job.
@@matthewcollinsangler I use Palomar and I land everything from tunas to sharks. One line is giving me a problem Daiwa Saltiga 12. It's very expensive and I was hoping will be great but I can't find good knot for that super slippery line. Palomar and double Palomar is just not working with that line (only 50% of strength).
@@newera3757 Slippery lines can be a problem for sure. This hooklink material is designed for carp and catfish fishing and doesn't slip. That’s why it works for us. I’m a big fan of doing my own knot testing and use a dumbbell or kettle bell to perform deadlift tests. You need to make a simple swivel connection loop but that’s easy to do. Then it’s just a question of trying some knots. TBH I don’t pay any attention to rated breaking strain of any material. Diameter is more important. Then I test the knots to give a factor of safety of 3 to 4 times the power of the rod and that’s what works for us. Good luck solving your problem, Matt.