The sweat point is the most interesting to me. A sealed ball can be wiped dry pretty easily, but the holes in the new design could trap sweat that won't be easy to wipe off.
but at the same time there is more surface area for air to evaporate the sweat off so without any further information it could also lead to sweat gathering less quickly on the ball overall edit: especially because with a normal ball your hand covers a section fully, while the airless you'd only block air escaping on one side, while all the insides of the holes and the inside of the ball may still let sweat vapour escape
Your all wrong. You just use compressed air w/ a towel backing, then finish w/ a quick wipe around like a normal ball. I also don’t think rocks will be much of a problem either. I think as the ball bounces, the deformation & waves that would propagate around the ball would be enough to knock out any that may get wedged into the honeycombs.
@@OVRxNxOUT unless that bouncing gets more rocks in it. Tho as another comment said changing the size of the holes can mitigate that issue. Also there's tons of ways to wash a basket ball, so calling the other comments wrong just because you think your idea would work better isn't very smart. And I can guarantee you could just use dish soap and water and let it air dry and it'll be good as new
I think my concern would be with sweat building up inside and then spraying out in (dirty) droplets upon impact. By the time your skin starts building up sweat to the droplet phase (intense physical exertion) the air doesn't dry it fast enough. I work in un-air conditioned environments doing physical labor at points during the day. Sweat absolutely starts to build up faster than it can dry off.
I’m not involved in this project, but I have a decade of experience with 3-D printing. I think the concerns that are listed in this video can be resolved with a few design iterations. Regarding the aerodynamics and wind impacts it may be slightly impacted, but it could also be mitigated with the size/shape of the holes. It may be that a more intricate layer is printed on the inside edge, like a mesh, which would allow it move more like a solid, and mitigate the risk of a pebble getting caught inside. It would basically act like a strainer, only small particles could get in, and the larger outside holes would reduce the risk of them getting stuck.
@@scheledv correction: bro is trying to add his industry expertise to the conversation. If you have anything relevant to add, you could do so, otherwise take a seat.
@@mcgavin098 A different feeling ball will adversely affect teams who rely more on 3's. A team that relies more on low post play will suddenly have an advantage.
I also wonder if we could use this technology for the interior of the ball instead of pressurized air. I.e. make a slightly smaller version with no grooves and cover it with normal basketball leather (with perhaps some small holes to allow air flow)
The benefit of a fillable ball is that you can pressurize it differently to work on different surfaces the same. These balls would be purpose built for a court type. Once you add a skin you've pretty much got a set inflation ball that costs more, and is less versatile, but doesn't need adjusting. I dunno, doesn't seem like a real upgrade to me
@@MelodicTurtleMetal That would be an upgrade for the NBA since they only have one court type and this would improve consistency. Currently, various teams prefer higher or lower pressure balls depending on their playstyles and there is a certain amount of manipulation that goes on. This way all the balls would have uniform performance.
that is what I was saying in another thread. Why not wrap it in leather and then it will look and feel like a normal ball, but be airless. The way it looks now it will feel weird and it should not have exposed holes.
@@MelodicTurtleMetal even without skin on this new ball type, you can't change any of the inflation dynamics, so I am not sure what your point is, I am not following what you mean maybe.
Although the bounce might be the same, I'm curious what happens to it under more extreme stress. For example, someone accidentally steps/falls on it. A typical basketball ball when compressed bounces back because the air inside, but the new ball would rely purely on the integrity of the material (but maybe it is safer because it can deform? Protect athletes better?). Also, as far as I am aware, the air flow through the ball on a windy day wouldn't help reduce drift, it would be all about the amount of surface area that the wind could interact with, and it looks like it has a lot.
So my only comment to your post is this: what has more surface area, a circle or a circle with holes? Often in aerodynamics a 3-D shape can be modeled as a 2-D cross section. So think of the face of the ball experiencing wind as a 2-D area. The current ball is a perfect circle. The new ball is a circle with a bunch of holes in it. Neglecting any other parts the air would randomly hit on the other side of the ball (would likely be negligible), the "new" ball has a smaller cross-sectional area that would result in less force resulted from wind.
@@christopherlowe2254 The 2-D cross-section thing only works for large openings with in objects with simple geometry. When you're dealing with small holes, the holes are actually going to cause more drag at high speeds and act like a regular flat surface at moderate speeds. The new basketball complicates it even further because the wind would be blowing through 4 layers of small holes and the labyrinth of supports between the layers, so it's going to have a lot of drag in even a light breeze.
As a brazilian, who knows very little about the NBA and basketball in general, even though I like to play sometimes with friends, y'all may have a Jabulani situation in your hands. Jabulani was an infamous soccer ball, it was used in the 2010 World Cup, it was designed by adidas like every world cup ball since the 1950's, but in 2010 they decided to innovate by making a hyper light, smaller ball with way less panels (the hexagons on a soccer ball), iirc was like 8 panels or something like that. On paper it was like a perfect soccer ball that did everything like a normal ball should but way more aerodynamic and fast for more excitement during games, Adidas ended up doing a ball that bounced on air, like there was a goal from half of the pitch that when the ball was to hit the ground it kind of double jumped and ended up in the net, goalkeepers hated and severely hampered the quality of the football at display on that world cup, even though it is on of the best WCs for the atmosphere and the Jabulani and its wackiness. I hope this ball doesn't end up like a Jabulani because it really looks really cool though.
This situation is very different, since the goal isn't to make a "better" basketball, it is to make this new 3d print deal as close to the real thing as possible
I wonder what they have tested for stress on the ball. Like what if a player falls onto it, would it be durable enough to withstand the weight of an nba player or would it crack? So many interesting variables but its cool to see sports trying new things.
It doesn't look like a material that would crack easily, but instead bend easily... like you would need a basketball to do to be able to bounce. If anything, it's probably more durable because it doesn't lock in air when it's squeezed, so no chance of popping. Well... more durable but only if it's possible for it to recover its original shape.
the importance of having air in it is that you can inflate the ball differently depending on the ground you are playing. Wooden planks vs asphalt make a huge difference in bounciness.
They will make any crap you're willing to pay a lot of money for. I hope China will start selling them worldwide for pennies soon so you could pick even the barbie color if you want. 😄
About the airflow thing, I think it will actually increase air resistance. Air resistance is based on the surface area of the traveling object exposed to airflow, and adding holes could expose the inside of a ball as well. This is why the terminal velocity of a whiffle ball is so low, the holes increase the surface area so air resistance is higher.
Depends on the weight. If this is the same weight as the ball, it could fair better but who really knows until people get a chance to use it. There's been studies that show holes in materials can actually reduce wind resistance, in particular there was one I read a while ago about signs with holes poked into them that allowed them to tough out stronger winds. I'm assuming they are aware of that, and designed this ball with that in mind. Who knows though, we will get tons of videos on it from consumers when it does release.
Wirh regards to surface area I imagine you are right, similar to how french fries are worse for you than roast potatoes ( having far more surface area to absorb the oil ). I imagine the airflow will be far more turbulent too. In a regular ball the airflow would be fairly consistent as it's interacting with a singular spherical surface. In the new ball the airflow is interacting with several different rotating surfaces at any given time, each one creating their own trailing vorticies...it's hard enough to model the airflow over a static object as complex as this, let alone if it is rotating at the same time.
It’s extremely bizarre to me why they don’t just add an outer skin to it - this would fix the aero problems, pebble problems, and make it feel like a regular basketball. Just make the inside of the ball the 3D print then the outside the same as whatever a normal basketball is stretched around it.
There's already air inside it without the skin. All it takes away is air pressure, which is going to be negligible with a skin around the outside, especially if it's air permeable
@@minecraftiagaming5169 the purpose is that you don’t need pressurized air, aka it doesn’t need to be pumped up. Unless you’re pulling a vacuum or are in outer space, there will always be air inside the ball
That defeats the whole purpose of why the ball is designed that way. An outside skin sealed onto THIS ball is no different than a normal “never flat” basketball.
other than some showoffs nobody is waiting on a ball that has more problems than any regular ball. the grip is different, it's not flying through the air as a regular ball and the sound is horrible. Some people already have them and none of them would pick it over a normal one.
I was looking for this comment. Im not into basketball, was thier something wrong with the ole ones ? Reminds me of futurama blurns ball. You need lasers to make it? Crazy
main issue with the ball is it being harder to see balls were made orange to be as easy to see as possible, a ball with holes would be harder to see regardless of color
Debri getting stuck inside it was my first thought seeing the ball. The holes also don't make it "more aerodynamic" in the sense wind won't affect its flight. Air can pass through it, but it will also be hitting the inside surface area of the ball, causing pretty abnormal drag like a wiffle ball and heavily influencing the ball's spin.
Yeah. A solid sphere is actually a reasonably aerodynamic shape, while a mesh ball could be prone to increased turbulence in the air flow around it, as there could be inconsistent airstreams moving through the ball that interact with the airflow closing up behind the ball. Whether it has greater or lesser drag than the ball does normally, the issue would likely be more involving potentially inconsistent drag. That being said, the engineers at the company will definitely do all the necessary testing and iterations. Unfortunately though, the engineering report on a particular design often goes unheeded by the marketing and executive teams in charge.
@@faxslaps5775 Yeah, that sounds like the only advantage, and I don't even know if that is a long-term advantage. This ball relies on spring tech to bounce back up, and springs wear out over time. I am wondering if any true physicists were involved here.
The biggest issue for most people will probably be materials degradation, especially from UV if it's outdoors a lot. That wouldn't matter to the NBA who probably go through hundreds of balls regularly, but for someone who would keep each ball for years - that longevity concern would be a bigger issue.
Also what happens when the ball gets wet while playing outdoors? A regular ball can be dried off, but this ball will remain wet on the inside and thus have a slightly different weight.
@@salad5768 It takes about 6 seconds to dry a good old basketball by using a towel. If in a pinch, I could probably do it in 5 seconds. I am not sure why people are making excuses for the new, allegedly superior product. The only problem it is solving is a corporations want for more profits.
@@salad5768 What's "not much"? Steph Curry can tell if his shot is 7 mm off. You're making excuses for an allegedly superior product. It should be the other way around.
The thing is: they have a large team of designers behind this so I think most of these concerns are already taken into account and it's why they haven't officially realeased it yet.
main issue with the ball is it being harder to see balls were made orange to be as easy to see as possible, a ball with holes would be harder to see regardless of color
massive Appeal to Authority Fallacy right here. Trust me, just because you have a large team doesn't mean things aren't missed nor neglected. Hell, a lot of the times, big issues are pushed under the rug by management because they don't want to listen to the design engineers.
About the colouring of the balls, having them have patterns on them and logos that match the home team of each arena would be cool, but as I wrote this, I realized it may be hard to see the ball on said players' jerseys when they hold it in their hands. Trick plays would be common, but home themed balls would be pretty snazzy
I think this will play out the same way airless tires play out. They are just more expensive and don't perform the same. Any advantage of not having air is outweighed by the flaws because air is just the best material to use for these applications.
There is a new "air-less" bicycle tire from a small British company that's pretty much on par with normal tires. It started shipping to kickstart backers and initial tests are good. I lowkey think a big company like Wilson soon could manufacture a basketball like this with enough pros to level out the cons. Shipping will be a lot different tho since these balls always will take up a lot of cargo space. However that might be solved with more spread out manufacturing and fewer source materials idk
I agree. If the product is “superior” it should be reflected in the price and cost of production. The problem is that the price difference will not reflect the difference in quality of products. I dont see a basketball related application that a standard basketball cant do just as well
This is an utterly horseshit take. Airless tires have made MASSIVE strides over the past decade are likely to replace traditional pneumatic tires within the next 10-20 years. They are ALREADY displacing standard tires for dedicated off-road vehicles like a Polaris Rzr. The flaws are all standard engineering challenges that are being fixed NOT even remotely game enders. I think Michelin and Wilson have a better idea where technology is headed VS your no-name TH-cam commenter ass.
@@Adam-wt5id A current basketball is superior in many ways. The only advantage of the new basketball is it allegedly never goes flat, and I doubt that is even true. It's a spring in the shape of a ball, and all springs wear out over time.
5:20 You have the right idea when it comes to the basketball in terms of the holes, but it actually makes it more air resistant than a normal basketball. With a normal basketball air resistance mostly applies to one side (for simplicities sake) which we could measure as 1.00 air resistance, this accounts for the surface area the wind is applied to over the one side of the ball. With this new ball there is actually a lot more surface area in play here, because the wind is not only hitting just the side of the ball, it is also hitting *the other side of the ball* with just as much force as the air travels through it. Plus the fact that the ball will be spinning in the air with a bunch of holes in it creates a whole new dimension of air resistance. We could technically classify this as the ball having around 2.75 in air resistance compared to a regular ball. ofc there is a lot more that goes into this stuff which makes these crude calculations somewhat iffy but it does still apply. (also ik im a year late but im drunk and wanted to be smart on the internet for once pls dont hurt me)
My main issue with this is accessibility. This ball *will* feel different compared to a regular ball, maybe not by much, but it would need some getting used to. And if they decide to use this ball for most professional play, then players who don't have access to it will have to get used to playing with a different feeling ball *while* they're on the court.
it's probably gonna feel really weird to play with, but if it bounces and weighs the same as an nba ball i think it could be really cool. Especially since 3D printing tech gets better and better each year and a ball like this could probably end up being very cheap on a mass produced level. At least half of the 200 dollar official ball today. I also think the holes all over the surface could actually be beneficial to creating proper backspin on jump shots. With a regular ball, you get the best spin when your fingers are lined up on the ball's grooves. For someone with smaller hands, like me, it can be hard to achieve consistent spin on my shots without taking time to put my finger tip in a groove. A ball with holes all over the ball means that you finger tips are likely to be able to generate spin regardless of where they are on the ball. I think this could make it feel really comfortable and natural as a part of the shooting motion. The wind and rocks concerns are definitely valid, but i think the weight of the ball should mitigate most of the wind issues from turning it into a wiffle ball. If they could add some sort of mesh to the ball, or make the holes smaller then i think the rock issue could be solved as well. For me, the biggest issue would be the durability. How long can it hold up and still act like a normal basketball before the material starts to wear out?
Remember when the NBA tried to move from leather skins to something more akin to plastic? There were a lot of complaints, not just over preferences of texture, but that extended use would cause real injuries on professional players' hands. A hard textured plastic/3D laser-printed ball might yield the same complaints.
talking of "less influence by the wind because it can go thorough the holes", it will probably be the opposite, the holes generate more drag because of the vortex created by the wind going through the holes, it could also affect the force needed for very long shots. As a comparison in cfd, computed fluid dynamics, car radiators are modeled like walls because of the complexity of calculating that shape, interestingly the radiators (air goes through) make more resistance than the walls, because of the vortex.
My school's court used to be covered with indoor-outdoor carpet. Everybody hated it - including us. Others hated it because they had a harder time dribbling, mostly because the bounce sound was muffled, even then the dribble off indoor-outdoor carpet was several times louder than the airless ball. We hated it because wood courts were like glass for us - even though I put out tacky matts.
I hated it as well. My school had it's own church and later changed to carpet court as church was in the gym on Sunday. A nightmare it was and they had a solid metal backboard that would send layups flying out of bounds with the lightest touch. Muffled dribble, grip was weird, don't even think of diving for a loose ball.
main issue with the ball is it being harder to see balls were made orange to be as easy to see as possible, a ball with holes would be harder to see regardless of color
@@underhandfreethrow Part of the reason the prototype was black was because it creates an illusion of solidity in the hole filled ball. It will lose some of that if it changes to other colors though and it will be hard to say without a large amount of data to look at.
Will be interesting to see how the elasticity of the material degrades over time. A deflated ball can be inflated, but an airless one will need to be replaced
was thinking along the same lines...elasticity vs plasticity in this material over time. I wonder what the lifespan will be like in comparison to the current ball?
main issue with the ball is it being harder to see balls were made orange to be as easy to see as possible, a ball with holes would be harder to see regardless of color
It's like the US and Russia with writing in space US: 100s of millions for a pen Russia :pencil. Wilson : 100s of millions for balls to not deflate World: $2 air pump. Maybe 10 if you want it to gauge the pressure.
@@berrianazrubel795 Not necessarily, due to the fact that you have to bounce the ball, there is force generated to be able to get possible rocks in which could be slightly big enough so that it shouldn't be able to get inside but due to it's shape and/or size they get in, and they don't get out due to the same reasons and because there is no impact bouncing force once it is inside
The biggest thing I can think of would be the effects of ambient temperature. Will playing in a warmer environment result in a higher bounce due to increased flexibility vs seeming “flat” in colder temperatures that could cause the material used to act more stiff?
"Hey guys! Let's reinvent the wheel. I think it should be shaped like a square..." Technology has come so far, but at this point, we're using it to solve problems that don't exist.
it's innovation bro, trial and error. we should be thankful these guys are looking for ways to eliminate problems we don't actually realize because we're so used to them or it might as well be just an improvement to an otherwise already decently made ball. this video is all about speculations at the end of the day. we don't have a concrete idea of what the ball could be, we will when we actually get our hands on it.
@@mew2o635 there is no problem with current ball. Pumping air is not a problem. Making the game of basketball better and more appealing is the goal of league. Plastic ball doesn't.
Another problem I don't hear about and a big one in my opinion is the sound or lack thereof. Idon't like it because the sound of the dribble plays a Big part and without that if you don't have eyes on your taking away a very useful benifit that these new balls can't have. If it ain't broke don't fix it. They're trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist just to make money. This is only good for people to use indoors
I think this is the answer to a problem no one asked for. I understand the need to explore new technology but there is nothing wrong with the current balls used. If they are looking to try it out under real game conditions then what about the G-League. It's relatively low-pressure but has similar gameplay conditions to the NBA.
It's an answer to a problem no one had because the real reason the NBA is doing this is to save money. They have no convincing reason to switch balls outside of trying to reduce costs so that's probably the reason they're so desperate for people to stop asking why.
it removes the air pressure variable from the game. why they test air pressure before each game and ask the players to choose a ball? if you have an airless ball they all would have the same bounce and aerodynamics, then its all about the player skill. don't forget tom brady deflating a ball on purpose, that would be impossible with a ball like that.
call me crazy but what if its a way for nba to secretly manipulate ball?!?!?!?! get society to accept the ball then use air balst to either help or hinder ball going in basket? amm i too high or wht@@AkuraTheAwesome
I honestly didn't know basketballs got upgraded, I always just thought they looked the way they did due to aging/weathering. Although, I do have 3 balls, one from 90s, 00s, and 2021. I also didn't realize how expensive they were.
The holes would affect shooting as the ball would interact differently with the fingers, and thats crucial. Especially upon releasing the ball. You don't just bounce and shoot it either. You rebound, catch fast passes, etc, and there's no guarantee that you'll palm the ball perfectly so I can see some chipped nails too, possibly scratches on the fingers.
sounds to me like it could be used more skillfully to curl throw, which I think is awesome personally raising the skill/possibilities of the game is great for player challenge and for spectators.
I bet they will sell The ball with the holes in it for novelty at first but then they'll apply the same technology to a more traditional basketball and what I mean by that is the ball you see will be the bladder of the basketball and they'll still cover it in a leather so that grip still feels the same but never needs to be pumped that's just my opinion
@@BasketballClub yeah I figured that would be the logical outcome to keep a traditional feel from the moment I saw that ball at the dunk contest....by the way keep up the good work
@Noah I would think it would be lighting up the material a bit and then using the same process as a traditional basketball really shouldn't be much of a problem for Wilson
There’s a reason knives have been unchanged for thousands of years - because the original design nailed it. There’s no need to reinvent a ball filled with air, it’s good because of its simplicity.
If the balls are usable in other sports really depends on the kind of sport. For european football it will likely not be usable, because the balls are supposed to have some squeeze. I would assume it would make a lot of sense for tennis on sturdy underground. The biggest advantage I see of such a ball is that the NBA could adjust the properties of it. Like they may want it to be a bit heavier or lighterin the future. Or maybe bounce a bit more or a bit less. Things that are much easier to acheive with this approach
Going by formlabs powder pricing it should cost $60-70 per ball for the nylon powder used (maybe half that for wilson?). The price of the printer should be about $1 per ball over 5 years which sounds surprisingly low but I tripple checked the math. Add to that skilled labor and marketing and r&d and profits, and $200+ per ball sounds about right. Maybe in the low 100s in a few years
Hahahahahaha 200 dollars COG is absolutely horrible. This ball is just marketing fluff and the company has no serious plans to release this at scale. Powder bed sintering is not cheap at all and is probably the most inefficient manufacturing method for a product that needs to be produced in volume while necessitating a low price point. A ball that costs 200 dollars to make needs to be sold at 1000 dollars to make any sort of profit. Nobody is paying 1000 dollars for a basketball...
This sounds about right, the biggest problem would really be that it's a hassle to reuse unfused powder. Because it has to be mixed with new unused powder. So basically it'd be much slower to make than a normal ball. I'd say maybe a little more because printers require new parts & maintenance every so often. (Ask me how I know... my Fuse 1 needs a new air filter)
The aerodynamics will be very different, maybe you could compensate by changing the shape and using it outside would reduce its lifespan probably quicker than in a regular ball. That is my opinion.
Why do people always say this? Like, would Wilsom, a billion-dollar company actually not take into account aerodynamics? Do people not for one second think that Wilson doesn't know about this and have released it like this because it works? I'm not saying I'm right, but I juts highly doubt Wilson will be dumb enough to not take this into account when making a basketball.
I never was a big basketball fan, but i did a 9 month stint in juvie when i was 17, had my 18th birthday there. I played basketball every single day for hours then, and i really enjoy the sport, its super fun. It will be interesting to see how this ball if it is adopted makes any impact or if its just going to be the same. The bouncy sound of the current basketball is iconic, and not having that sound is going to be really odd.
4:08 A boomerang doesn't curve because of the magnus effect. A traditional boomerang turns because it acts like a wing, creating an area of high pressure air on one side and low pressure on the other. The magnus effect is caused by the difference in relative air speed encountering each side of a spinning object. It's not really the same. Or if it is the same, then it's also the same as blowing out a candle because it vaguely involves differences in air pressure.
You brought up from great points on this ball. I hope Wilson is not going wait too long to release it to public. The first version is not gonna be great but Wilson will benefits greatly from public feedback and make improvement on it.
There's literally no point or valid reason to redesign basketballs other than to monetize a new product to push on people. This whole thing is incredibly dumb and pointless.
@@EverythingBasketballs no people been knew a electric car would be better it’s just that the car companies wouldn’t allow it for years bc they would lose out on billions of dollars. Steve Jobs is a good point though but as far as a new basketball it’s not really going to effect the average person having a new ball.
@@derpderpin1568 I agree however there is the potential of this tech spreading to other sports. Possibly even creating new opportunities for entirely new sports that wouldn’t work well with an air inflated ball. There’s potential and it’s too early to call it useless
@@rcarb024 oh yeah this would make the perfect "BASEketball". Gimme a break this is some dipshit in the board room trying to be the smartest guy in the room. Bet they've pumped well over a million already into this pointless endeavor. That's a lot of 200 dollar basketballs to sell. Basketballs that will perform worse than a regular basketball. 5 dollar ball will work better than that holey mess.
My concern with the new tech is how will it hold up to pressure on it. While basketballs aren’t designed for sitting/falling onto, will they be able to support the weight of someone on it without the support of the air pressure. Oh, and how will these work for playing pool basketball or near a body of water?
And the sweat, skin etc pouring and accumulating inside... imagine the smell and the fungal/bacterial growth... I dunno, imho all this sounds kinda retarded and mainly a PR stunt... or a lame attempt at a semi scam
I remember how big a deal it was when the balls came out with a built-in pump. I bought one the first time I saw it. I loved it. It's always amazing to see the shockwaves it creates when something new comes out.
Good points. The concept itself is cool that you don't need to pump the ball up again. But if it costs that much and indeed small parts might get into the ball frequently when playing outdoor (yes, not all courts are that clean) it will be annoying and majority of ballers won't buy it.
@@zombieno1 I don't think that is an option. You then get a spot on the ball that will bounce different, feel different, etc. You need the entire ball to be uniform for competitive play.
@@christopherlowe2254 I'm only suggesting an ever so slightly larger hole that would allow whatever can fit in the normal holes. It wouldn't affect the ball enough.
someone in the comments suggested they print the ball as is but also print a smaller holed mesh layer inside, but then that would add to the weight and throw it off so idk how theyre gonna fix it for outdoor use
I feel like it would feel weird rolling off your fingers because when you release the ball it might roll off those little holes differently each time affecting the shot.
I would wager to say that the iteration that makes it to official game ball may have this technology in it, but I think they’ll put a skin on it. Maybe drop the weight of the structure just slightly to account for a solid skin and then the holes won’t be visible. If the material works as fas as bounce and durability, they can just replace the bladder of the current ball design with it, more or less. You won’t see it or feel it.
This would be the way, if they could make it somehow indistinguishable from the current ball it might work. I'd wager to guess currently way more than 50% of NBA players would protest this ball, it would change shots in probably pretty significant ways
I'm not sure you could do that. The bounce and characteristics of this ball is 100% dependent on the materials qualities of the surface layer - how it bends, flexes, compresses, etc - because that's all there is. That's unlike a normal ball where the internal bladder is what's responsible for those characteristics. Putting a skin on the surface of this ball would almost certainly change those properties.
They tried this is Football (Soccer) an they scrapped it because Knuckle balls or as u said the Magnus Effect it wouldn’t make the ball Spin as Much the air would pass through an wouldn’t curve as much.
But with soccer you have way different velocities to consider along with warping do to heavy impact from a foot kicking it. A baskball goes thru way less stress than a ball being kicked the hell out of.
I feel like this could be really awesome. If they found a way to wrap it in a heavy material with grip, like leather, I think this could make massive leaps for basketball technology. Really excited so get my hands on this at some point.
1:57 you would be very surprised. And really it doesn't matter if they change what ball is used, the players will just have to get good if a new ball is used.
I have a printer like this at my studio but I don’t think we can print as big as the ball, but it’s a cool machine for sure. The dust in ours is grey instead of white
My question would be, on the same idea of rocks/debri getting inside the ball and causing issues. What about things like dirt/or dust. It can cling to skin of a reg. basketball, but with this model, the inside as well. 1 issue stated in the video is the Air-flow going through the ball already changing the feel of your shot. Playing a game, and things that can effect that air-flow will also effect your shot, which will probably change throughout the game and things accumulate. Honestly I wouldn't replace the official game ball, but maybe use it for special events, for example the Dunking contest. It's a good flex for 1 company to provide a product that no one else can offer, go ahead and make those profits but as someone else already eloquently put it, why fix something that isn't broke, reinventing the wheel doesn't make it a better wheel!
If it aint broke, dont fix it. The basketball has more or less entirely endured decades of play unchanged bar slight changes to stitching and the materials. Much smaller changes than one like this. I just get the same energy from this ball as the 2006 Spalding synthetic ball. For players who have been using, more or less, identical balls for decades the change of the new ball will require HUGE adjustments. The most drastic to me is the 'feel' of the ball. I think there's a clear reason as to why they chose the dunk contest to show off this ball, as opposed to replicating the prototype and using them as the moneyballs in the 3pt contest or something similar. Overall I genuinely have almost no optimism towards this ball becoming the norm, it seems tremendously similar to how car manufacturers will release concept cars that they have no real plans to roll out. Its a proof of concept used to garner attention to the brand and paint a picture of a 'better future'.
You don't have to worry about anything getting stuck in the basketball as no one is going to buy them since they cost $2,500 each and they look stupid like a marketing gimmick.
I'm interested because of the magnet tech. If the raw material is some how infused with metal or magnets that means affecting shots will be easier than it is currently. It's would be easier to produce compared to the Wilson I suppose.
I think its dumb for them to put so much focus into making it the exact same as a leather ball. It will never be the same and players will have to adapt to it but we had to get rid of the air-pressure inconsistencies and other issues at one point. I just hope the change in aerodynamics doesnt change how shots are shot with curveballs and shi.
I don't play basketball, but I did have some fun with my friends a few times. My main issue with this would probably be weight, a regular ball has more weight in it and is pretty balanced. If this ball is lighter than a standard ball... it would definitely mess the rhythm a player has (like say you play COD then play CS:GO, still the same... but it takes a moment to readjust) and another thing is... since it's hexagonal the surface area doesn't become balanced like a normal ball would.
I think the only fix that needs to be made is just apply the normal leather to the outside and have the 3d printed part be the core so it’s basically a normal basketball that you don’t have to fill with air like intended
@@slavchansidorov32 Because part of the reason the ball flies as a normal basketball is the aerodynamics of the ball letting air through, if we disrupt the airflow logically the ball acting differently
About the "airflow," i'd assume it would be much worse in windy conditions. I could be wrong, but wouldn't that make it easier for the wind to push it? Same reason when you throw a pickleball when it's windy it's trajectory is heavily affected. Maybe not tho, I don't know for sure.
It has holes. I could easily argue the wind would have much less of an effect on it. The only actual problem is the rocks getting inside it, but nothing a bit of sweeping won´t cure.
@@rodrigogonzalez6219 I would think that the wind entering one side of the openings could push on the inside wall of the ball a bit before exiting out the other side?
@@speedy4659 No, it has less surface area for the wind to fully affect it. Im pretty sure it would also be the same weight as the normal ball so wind would affect it less.
Since it's going be a ball for NBA I don't really think they care about rocks or wind gust since they are trying make the perfect nba ball not the perfect streetball ball
@@speedy4659 No, that's not how it works. yes, the win will enter inside and hit the small insides, but did it never hit you that in a regular ball, the wind still hits the outer surface of the wall? It has a lot more surface to hit compared to the negligable walls on the inside. The whole ball has less surface area, and so the wind will affect it way less than an actual ball.
I think would probably fly better through the air but may not fly like you expect. I more question if this thing would be comfortable to play with for a long period of time. The whiffle design might give it more grip, but it might also increase blisters.
I think college games would be the best testing area, you get a larger pool of data in a shorter amount of time compare to NBA. College players have just about the right amount of basketball knowledge to provide a review
@@mikeyfreeman5776there isn't air that's the point of the balls....the air isn't watch make the ball bounce its what makes the ball ridget enough to bounce
@@BasketballClubit's a prototype lol things chance in each prototype usually if things were not going change they probly wouldn't be calling it a prototype.... they are doing more testing as they find issues they refine the process till they get they final model
I remember the NBA experimented with synthetic leather basketballs for short period of time back in 2006 or something. And the players absolutely hated them. They were hated so much, the NBA decided to ditch them, and bring back the traditional ones in the middle of the season iirc. So no, I think these 3d printed basketballs have long way to go even after clearing the aerodynamics side of things.
Wilson will give LeBron about 50 million dollars and a percentage of ball sales to say its the best ball he's ever used. He's going to use his platform to sell a 200 dollar basketball to the poorest demographic in America. The urban youth are going to get an overpriced and inferior product.
I wonder if the holes are big enough to have an effect on someones ability to manipulate the ball like how jordan used to do the one handed ball fake. Could you fit enough of your fingertips into the ball to "palm" the ball better? Just a thought.
No way. Remember when they went to synthetic balls for a while? No. You test this is youth levels, amateur but NOT in a business that makes money and players career are at play. (that includes rookies in summer). NEVER be the sucker known as first adopters. When you have a few years of testing you then have the players spend a year with the new ball and finally you have THEM decide if they use this ball. They are not guinea pigs And honestly, there is no reason to change the balls they use now because they don't use that many balls each year.
More consistent and takes out any variables. Don't have to worry about pressure Pressure changes from use, temperature and humidity. That's just the most obvious reasons. If it works it's a huge step and deal.
I think the bounce being different and the wind resistance being different is a good thing. Changes stuff up a little bit, players need to relearn and possibly discover new ways of playing with this ball. I think it will be refreshing.
Synthetic balls are inferior to leather balls in several aspects. Firstly, synthetic balls lose their shape at a significantly faster rate compared to leather balls. Secondly, the grip of leather balls improves with use, whereas synthetic balls deteriorate rapidly with usage.
It looks cool. Very futuristic. But I wonder if it would have been better to just make the new ball out of the best kind of rubber but make it solid. I didn't know keeping basketballs inflated was such a big problem we had to come up with this drastic of a solution. 🏀
My biggestr problem with it is the feel of touching it. Not feeling a solid material under your fingers and instead feeling holes under it sounds damn bad to me.
@@chasewebb7417 yeah and your fingers gonna kinda fit into the holes and give the ball way bigger spin than with a normal ball when it is only the traction you can use to spin. Here you can kinda grab the ball with your fingertips
Suggestions: 1) Balloon inside the ball that prevents entry of dust and solid particles. 2) Or design the holes that allow one-way going outside while maintaining internal air pressure. 3) Accessory vacuum cleaner equipment that cleans up the insides of the ball. 4) Give out free prototypes to small communities and collect the reactions of players as bases for improvement.
It's gonna be the perfect trivia fodder for a future basketball movie. "Did you know the ball in Dunk the Future (2038) is based on a real airless basketball prototype developed by Wilson?"
underrated youtuber. Also the original basketball is iconic and good. The slight inconvenience of having to pump air into it doesn't bother most people. I 100% agree with you
Coming from mtb I absolutely get it, sports on a high performance level always begs for innovation and improvements in all sections. People tend to linger on the past and current solutions, forgetting, that these were achieved incrementally through minor improvements.
The problem with the airflow is that you have more contact area due to the holes and thus more friction, which means the new ball will *probably* curve more.
"If it aint broke, dont fix it" is what my dad always told me. Just sounds like some cool tech that costs more than the current thing and does the same thing...
Let's be honest, it's more about how to monopolize the market. If this company succeed, that's mean they have exclusive deal that worth billion dollars. And They have the patent, so other companies need times and resources to catch up. Even further, if it become standard around the world, that mean they succeed to monopolize global market. Even small event will need their products. What if other companies succeed to catch up? This company, with connection with NBA, they just need propose new model again.
The sweat point is the most interesting to me. A sealed ball can be wiped dry pretty easily, but the holes in the new design could trap sweat that won't be easy to wipe off.
but at the same time there is more surface area for air to evaporate the sweat off
so without any further information it could also lead to sweat gathering less quickly on the ball overall
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especially because with a normal ball your hand covers a section fully, while the airless you'd only block air escaping on one side, while all the insides of the holes and the inside of the ball may still let sweat vapour escape
well you can probably just wash it off with dish soap. then air dry it.
Your all wrong.
You just use compressed air w/ a towel backing, then finish w/ a quick wipe around like a normal ball.
I also don’t think rocks will be much of a problem either. I think as the ball bounces, the deformation & waves that would propagate around the ball would be enough to knock out any that may get wedged into the honeycombs.
@@OVRxNxOUT unless that bouncing gets more rocks in it. Tho as another comment said changing the size of the holes can mitigate that issue. Also there's tons of ways to wash a basket ball, so calling the other comments wrong just because you think your idea would work better isn't very smart. And I can guarantee you could just use dish soap and water and let it air dry and it'll be good as new
I think my concern would be with sweat building up inside and then spraying out in (dirty) droplets upon impact. By the time your skin starts building up sweat to the droplet phase (intense physical exertion) the air doesn't dry it fast enough. I work in un-air conditioned environments doing physical labor at points during the day. Sweat absolutely starts to build up faster than it can dry off.
I’m not involved in this project, but I have a decade of experience with 3-D printing. I think the concerns that are listed in this video can be resolved with a few design iterations. Regarding the aerodynamics and wind impacts it may be slightly impacted, but it could also be mitigated with the size/shape of the holes. It may be that a more intricate layer is printed on the inside edge, like a mesh, which would allow it move more like a solid, and mitigate the risk of a pebble getting caught inside. It would basically act like a strainer, only small particles could get in, and the larger outside holes would reduce the risk of them getting stuck.
nice name
Bro lying he just saying this to sound big brain😅
@Scheledv Can you back that up?
I immediately thought about the mesh part too
@@scheledv correction: bro is trying to add his industry expertise to the conversation. If you have anything relevant to add, you could do so, otherwise take a seat.
I think testing the ball in a preseason or nba all-star game would be the best way to see how it feels in a game setting
Absolutely. No one can say that it was the ball's fault because both teams will be impacted equally.
@@mcgavin098 A different feeling ball will adversely affect teams who rely more on 3's. A team that relies more on low post play will suddenly have an advantage.
@@jakemccoy exactly. the lifelong shooting mechanics will be thrown off
How about we test it in high school first, then college AND THENNNNNNNN NBA.
@@tila99 nah preseason or all star game is still better
I also wonder if we could use this technology for the interior of the ball instead of pressurized air. I.e. make a slightly smaller version with no grooves and cover it with normal basketball leather (with perhaps some small holes to allow air flow)
The benefit of a fillable ball is that you can pressurize it differently to work on different surfaces the same. These balls would be purpose built for a court type.
Once you add a skin you've pretty much got a set inflation ball that costs more, and is less versatile, but doesn't need adjusting. I dunno, doesn't seem like a real upgrade to me
@@MelodicTurtleMetal That would be an upgrade for the NBA since they only have one court type and this would improve consistency. Currently, various teams prefer higher or lower pressure balls depending on their playstyles and there is a certain amount of manipulation that goes on. This way all the balls would have uniform performance.
that is what I was saying in another thread. Why not wrap it in leather and then it will look and feel like a normal ball, but be airless. The way it looks now it will feel weird and it should not have exposed holes.
@@MelodicTurtleMetal even without skin on this new ball type, you can't change any of the inflation dynamics, so I am not sure what your point is, I am not following what you mean maybe.
Although the bounce might be the same, I'm curious what happens to it under more extreme stress. For example, someone accidentally steps/falls on it. A typical basketball ball when compressed bounces back because the air inside, but the new ball would rely purely on the integrity of the material (but maybe it is safer because it can deform? Protect athletes better?). Also, as far as I am aware, the air flow through the ball on a windy day wouldn't help reduce drift, it would be all about the amount of surface area that the wind could interact with, and it looks like it has a lot.
So my only comment to your post is this: what has more surface area, a circle or a circle with holes? Often in aerodynamics a 3-D shape can be modeled as a 2-D cross section. So think of the face of the ball experiencing wind as a 2-D area. The current ball is a perfect circle. The new ball is a circle with a bunch of holes in it. Neglecting any other parts the air would randomly hit on the other side of the ball (would likely be negligible), the "new" ball has a smaller cross-sectional area that would result in less force resulted from wind.
The surface area of the new ball is obviously less than the older ball, every hole is a decrease in area and I'm pretty sure it has a lot of holes
Then instead of using a sail why don't I just use a bunch of nets
@@christopherlowe2254 The 2-D cross-section thing only works for large openings with in objects with simple geometry. When you're dealing with small holes, the holes are actually going to cause more drag at high speeds and act like a regular flat surface at moderate speeds. The new basketball complicates it even further because the wind would be blowing through 4 layers of small holes and the labyrinth of supports between the layers, so it's going to have a lot of drag in even a light breeze.
On a cold day it will be a rock, and on a hot day it will be a blob. That's why they make street hockey pucks/balls for different temperatures.
As a brazilian, who knows very little about the NBA and basketball in general, even though I like to play sometimes with friends, y'all may have a Jabulani situation in your hands. Jabulani was an infamous soccer ball, it was used in the 2010 World Cup, it was designed by adidas like every world cup ball since the 1950's, but in 2010 they decided to innovate by making a hyper light, smaller ball with way less panels (the hexagons on a soccer ball), iirc was like 8 panels or something like that. On paper it was like a perfect soccer ball that did everything like a normal ball should but way more aerodynamic and fast for more excitement during games, Adidas ended up doing a ball that bounced on air, like there was a goal from half of the pitch that when the ball was to hit the ground it kind of double jumped and ended up in the net, goalkeepers hated and severely hampered the quality of the football at display on that world cup, even though it is on of the best WCs for the atmosphere and the Jabulani and its wackiness. I hope this ball doesn't end up like a Jabulani because it really looks really cool though.
This situation is very different, since the goal isn't to make a "better" basketball, it is to make this new 3d print deal as close to the real thing as possible
All true but the Jabulani felt absolutely great to play with when I bought one back in 2010 (except for Goalkeepers I guess)
@@nilnurium231 I also played with the Jabulani. It felt like you were kicking a beach ball. It would just curve randomly in the air
Exactly.
@@gabrielaguiar1935 that is the complaint by all the free kick setters
I wonder what they have tested for stress on the ball. Like what if a player falls onto it, would it be durable enough to withstand the weight of an nba player or would it crack? So many interesting variables but its cool to see sports trying new things.
It doesn't look like a material that would crack easily, but instead bend easily... like you would need a basketball to do to be able to bounce. If anything, it's probably more durable because it doesn't lock in air when it's squeezed, so no chance of popping. Well... more durable but only if it's possible for it to recover its original shape.
They should hold a few scrimmages to test out how the ball works and what the players think of it
the importance of having air in it is that you can inflate the ball differently depending on the ground you are playing. Wooden planks vs asphalt make a huge difference in bounciness.
You bet your ass this ball will come in different variants for different ground types. That's the money shot
They will make any crap you're willing to pay a lot of money for. I hope China will start selling them worldwide for pennies soon so you could pick even the barbie color if you want. 😄
@@MelodicTurtleMetaldouble the profit
About the airflow thing, I think it will actually increase air resistance. Air resistance is based on the surface area of the traveling object exposed to airflow, and adding holes could expose the inside of a ball as well. This is why the terminal velocity of a whiffle ball is so low, the holes increase the surface area so air resistance is higher.
i was thinking the same thing tbh
Depends on the weight. If this is the same weight as the ball, it could fair better but who really knows until people get a chance to use it.
There's been studies that show holes in materials can actually reduce wind resistance, in particular there was one I read a while ago about signs with holes poked into them that allowed them to tough out stronger winds.
I'm assuming they are aware of that, and designed this ball with that in mind. Who knows though, we will get tons of videos on it from consumers when it does release.
@@LetsShitPost Well a sign isn't exactly the same shape as a ball. A sign isn't going to have any solid material behind the hole, but this will.
@@NightKev the signs didn't have solid material behind the holes.. which is why they were holes lol
Wirh regards to surface area I imagine you are right, similar to how french fries are worse for you than roast potatoes ( having far more surface area to absorb the oil ).
I imagine the airflow will be far more turbulent too. In a regular ball the airflow would be fairly consistent as it's interacting with a singular spherical surface.
In the new ball the airflow is interacting with several different rotating surfaces at any given time, each one creating their own trailing vorticies...it's hard enough to model the airflow over a static object as complex as this, let alone if it is rotating at the same time.
It’s extremely bizarre to me why they don’t just add an outer skin to it - this would fix the aero problems, pebble problems, and make it feel like a regular basketball. Just make the inside of the ball the 3D print then the outside the same as whatever a normal basketball is stretched around it.
...but then there's air inside of it...which defeats the purpose of an "airless" basketball....
There's already air inside it without the skin. All it takes away is air pressure, which is going to be negligible with a skin around the outside, especially if it's air permeable
@@minecraftiagaming5169 the purpose is that you don’t need pressurized air, aka it doesn’t need to be pumped up. Unless you’re pulling a vacuum or are in outer space, there will always be air inside the ball
That defeats the whole purpose of why the ball is designed that way.
An outside skin sealed onto THIS ball is no different than a normal “never flat” basketball.
@@minecraftiagaming5169 Not exactly true, as it wouldn't need to be pressurized beyond 1 ATM, so it's the same amount of air as the "airless" one.
I'm impressed at how much work is being put in to solving problems that no-one had. Great way to charge people more to play the game, though.
other than some showoffs nobody is waiting on a ball that has more problems than any regular ball. the grip is different, it's not flying through the air as a regular ball and the sound is horrible. Some people already have them and none of them would pick it over a normal one.
@@dasiro yes it will sound like pickleball, that would be awful
I was looking for this comment. Im not into basketball, was thier something wrong with the ole ones ? Reminds me of futurama blurns ball. You need lasers to make it? Crazy
Im worried about the grip strength and the ball being too hard in touch
its not a basketball "ball", no seems, no touch, no way
main issue with the ball is it being harder to see
balls were made orange to be as easy to see as possible, a ball with holes would be harder to see regardless of color
another issue is that it would be harder to sell because of wind and outside things etc
Bruh there's holes in the ball. I'm sticking my fingers in them
yup
Debri getting stuck inside it was my first thought seeing the ball. The holes also don't make it "more aerodynamic" in the sense wind won't affect its flight. Air can pass through it, but it will also be hitting the inside surface area of the ball, causing pretty abnormal drag like a wiffle ball and heavily influencing the ball's spin.
Yeah. A solid sphere is actually a reasonably aerodynamic shape, while a mesh ball could be prone to increased turbulence in the air flow around it, as there could be inconsistent airstreams moving through the ball that interact with the airflow closing up behind the ball. Whether it has greater or lesser drag than the ball does normally, the issue would likely be more involving potentially inconsistent drag.
That being said, the engineers at the company will definitely do all the necessary testing and iterations. Unfortunately though, the engineering report on a particular design often goes unheeded by the marketing and executive teams in charge.
Will bounce be affected by temperature variances? Was not addressed
So the only pro that it has over the old ball is that it doesn’t need air. Y’know the only thing that’s infinite on earth?
@@faxslaps5775 Yeah, that sounds like the only advantage, and I don't even know if that is a long-term advantage. This ball relies on spring tech to bounce back up, and springs wear out over time. I am wondering if any true physicists were involved here.
@@faxslaps5775 Air isn't actually infinite, but I'm amused that somebody could think it is.
The biggest issue for most people will probably be materials degradation, especially from UV if it's outdoors a lot. That wouldn't matter to the NBA who probably go through hundreds of balls regularly, but for someone who would keep each ball for years - that longevity concern would be a bigger issue.
Also what happens when the ball gets wet while playing outdoors? A regular ball can be dried off, but this ball will remain wet on the inside and thus have a slightly different weight.
@@jakemccoy it takes minutes to dry something with that much surface area lol. Not to mention it wouldn't affect it probably
@@salad5768 It takes about 6 seconds to dry a good old basketball by using a towel. If in a pinch, I could probably do it in 5 seconds. I am not sure why people are making excuses for the new, allegedly superior product. The only problem it is solving is a corporations want for more profits.
@@jakemccoy you're right, let me double down. I doubt the ball being wet given it's amount of holes and texture would matter much.
@@salad5768 What's "not much"? Steph Curry can tell if his shot is 7 mm off. You're making excuses for an allegedly superior product. It should be the other way around.
You are the Lebron of yapping
Brother put 30 minutes of words into a sub-10-minute runtime.
The thing is: they have a large team of designers behind this so I think most of these concerns are already taken into account and it's why they haven't officially realeased it yet.
Dont assume people know what they are doing, regardless of their title. #1 rule in business and life.
main issue with the ball is it being harder to see
balls were made orange to be as easy to see as possible, a ball with holes would be harder to see regardless of color
another issue is that it would be harder to sell because of wind and outside things etc
@@MickeyMouse-lm6zj you can print it orange
massive Appeal to Authority Fallacy right here. Trust me, just because you have a large team doesn't mean things aren't missed nor neglected. Hell, a lot of the times, big issues are pushed under the rug by management because they don't want to listen to the design engineers.
About the colouring of the balls, having them have patterns on them and logos that match the home team of each arena would be cool, but as I wrote this, I realized it may be hard to see the ball on said players' jerseys when they hold it in their hands. Trick plays would be common, but home themed balls would be pretty snazzy
I think this will play out the same way airless tires play out. They are just more expensive and don't perform the same. Any advantage of not having air is outweighed by the flaws because air is just the best material to use for these applications.
There is a new "air-less" bicycle tire from a small British company that's pretty much on par with normal tires. It started shipping to kickstart backers and initial tests are good. I lowkey think a big company like Wilson soon could manufacture a basketball like this with enough pros to level out the cons. Shipping will be a lot different tho since these balls always will take up a lot of cargo space. However that might be solved with more spread out manufacturing and fewer source materials idk
I agree. If the product is “superior” it should be reflected in the price and cost of production. The problem is that the price difference will not reflect the difference in quality of products. I dont see a basketball related application that a standard basketball cant do just as well
This is an utterly horseshit take. Airless tires have made MASSIVE strides over the past decade are likely to replace traditional pneumatic tires within the next 10-20 years. They are ALREADY displacing standard tires for dedicated off-road vehicles like a Polaris Rzr. The flaws are all standard engineering challenges that are being fixed NOT even remotely game enders. I think Michelin and Wilson have a better idea where technology is headed VS your no-name TH-cam commenter ass.
@@Adam-wt5id A current basketball is superior in many ways. The only advantage of the new basketball is it allegedly never goes flat, and I doubt that is even true. It's a spring in the shape of a ball, and all springs wear out over time.
@@jakemccoy Good point regarding the springiness. Might be negligible, might be a dealbreaker, hard to say.
5:20 You have the right idea when it comes to the basketball in terms of the holes, but it actually makes it more air resistant than a normal basketball.
With a normal basketball air resistance mostly applies to one side (for simplicities sake) which we could measure as 1.00 air resistance, this accounts for the surface area the wind is applied to over the one side of the ball.
With this new ball there is actually a lot more surface area in play here, because the wind is not only hitting just the side of the ball, it is also hitting *the other side of the ball* with just as much force as the air travels through it. Plus the fact that the ball will be spinning in the air with a bunch of holes in it creates a whole new dimension of air resistance. We could technically classify this as the ball having around 2.75 in air resistance compared to a regular ball.
ofc there is a lot more that goes into this stuff which makes these crude calculations somewhat iffy but it does still apply.
(also ik im a year late but im drunk and wanted to be smart on the internet for once pls dont hurt me)
Nice explanation
My main issue with this is accessibility. This ball *will* feel different compared to a regular ball, maybe not by much, but it would need some getting used to. And if they decide to use this ball for most professional play, then players who don't have access to it will have to get used to playing with a different feeling ball *while* they're on the court.
thats the thing, its supposed to feel as similar as possible
most pro athletes are fairly wealthy so spending a few hundred for their trade wouldn't make a financial impact to them.
They said the laser printing is extremely pricy....
@gundam2jimmy the machines are, the material isn't really. (Source: I have a large SLS printer)
That is the main feature of this idea as it provides a reason to buy this exclusive and expensive ball that isn't really better then the current one.
it's probably gonna feel really weird to play with, but if it bounces and weighs the same as an nba ball i think it could be really cool. Especially since 3D printing tech gets better and better each year and a ball like this could probably end up being very cheap on a mass produced level. At least half of the 200 dollar official ball today.
I also think the holes all over the surface could actually be beneficial to creating proper backspin on jump shots. With a regular ball, you get the best spin when your fingers are lined up on the ball's grooves. For someone with smaller hands, like me, it can be hard to achieve consistent spin on my shots without taking time to put my finger tip in a groove. A ball with holes all over the ball means that you finger tips are likely to be able to generate spin regardless of where they are on the ball. I think this could make it feel really comfortable and natural as a part of the shooting motion.
The wind and rocks concerns are definitely valid, but i think the weight of the ball should mitigate most of the wind issues from turning it into a wiffle ball. If they could add some sort of mesh to the ball, or make the holes smaller then i think the rock issue could be solved as well.
For me, the biggest issue would be the durability. How long can it hold up and still act like a normal basketball before the material starts to wear out?
Remember when the NBA tried to move from leather skins to something more akin to plastic? There were a lot of complaints, not just over preferences of texture, but that extended use would cause real injuries on professional players' hands. A hard textured plastic/3D laser-printed ball might yield the same complaints.
I agree, so many edges that your hands will roll over thousands if not millions of times over the years.
The airless ball is made from a material that is basically rubber so its not a hard plastic.
idk how that changes things but I figured I'd inform you.
talking of "less influence by the wind because it can go thorough the holes", it will probably be the opposite, the holes generate more drag because of the vortex created by the wind going through the holes, it could also affect the force needed for very long shots. As a comparison in cfd, computed fluid dynamics, car radiators are modeled like walls because of the complexity of calculating that shape, interestingly the radiators (air goes through) make more resistance than the walls, because of the vortex.
My school's court used to be covered with indoor-outdoor carpet.
Everybody hated it - including us.
Others hated it because they had a harder time dribbling, mostly because the bounce sound was muffled,
even then the dribble off indoor-outdoor carpet was several times louder than the airless ball.
We hated it because wood courts were like glass for us - even though I put out tacky matts.
In and out carpet? What the hell
Like the same kind of carpet that some tennis courts have?
I hated it as well. My school had it's own church and later changed to carpet court as church was in the gym on Sunday. A nightmare it was and they had a solid metal backboard that would send layups flying out of bounds with the lightest touch. Muffled dribble, grip was weird, don't even think of diving for a loose ball.
something they need to consider is how its going to look in game, if you could see it clearly from everywhere in the stadium or for official reviews
I’m sure they could print it in whatever color they wanted to
main issue with the ball is it being harder to see
balls were made orange to be as easy to see as possible, a ball with holes would be harder to see regardless of color
another issue is that it would be harder to sell because of wind and outside things etc
@@underhandfreethrow Part of the reason the prototype was black was because it creates an illusion of solidity in the hole filled ball. It will lose some of that if it changes to other colors though and it will be hard to say without a large amount of data to look at.
@@MickeyMouse-lm6zj ball being in constant motion you will not notice these small holes, will see only orange ball
Will be interesting to see how the elasticity of the material degrades over time. A deflated ball can be inflated, but an airless one will need to be replaced
was thinking along the same lines...elasticity vs plasticity in this material over time. I wonder what the lifespan will be like in comparison to the current ball?
main issue with the ball is it being harder to see
balls were made orange to be as easy to see as possible, a ball with holes would be harder to see regardless of color
another issue is that it would be harder to sell because of wind and outside things etc
especially in different temperatures!
Obviously, just like yourself.. you'll eventually be replaced
Disadvantages: Wind affects it more, you can get rocks in it, and it's very, VERY expensive.
Advantages: You don't have to blow it up.
It's like the US and Russia with writing in space
US: 100s of millions for a pen
Russia :pencil.
Wilson : 100s of millions for balls to not deflate
World: $2 air pump. Maybe 10 if you want it to gauge the pressure.
Never thought of the rock thing but where I play it’d def be an issue where I play right now.
If it can fit in the holes to get in it can fit in the holes to get out. That sentence out of context sounds so odd
@@berrianazrubel795 Not necessarily, due to the fact that you have to bounce the ball, there is force generated to be able to get possible rocks in which could be slightly big enough so that it shouldn't be able to get inside but due to it's shape and/or size they get in, and they don't get out due to the same reasons and because there is no impact bouncing force once it is inside
@@markeb1312 it doesn’t seem to squish or flatten at all on impact like a normal basketball might
@@berrianazrubel795 The same analogy as a piggy bank. It's easy to put coins in but pretty hard to get it out
Yep the same thing happened with wiffleballs back when i used to play with them in elementary for recess
The biggest thing I can think of would be the effects of ambient temperature. Will playing in a warmer environment result in a higher bounce due to increased flexibility vs seeming “flat” in colder temperatures that could cause the material used to act more stiff?
That happens with normal balls too
@@ProdAmigoit does, but adjusting air pressure can mitigate with normal balls. That's not an option with these.
Doesn't the NBA play indoors
"Hey guys! Let's reinvent the wheel. I think it should be shaped like a square..."
Technology has come so far, but at this point, we're using it to solve problems that don't exist.
Well removing a failure point in the ball is by definition a problem solved.
they are doing this because making alot of basketballs uses way too much leather
it's innovation bro, trial and error. we should be thankful these guys are looking for ways to eliminate problems we don't actually realize because we're so used to them or it might as well be just an improvement to an otherwise already decently made ball. this video is all about speculations at the end of the day. we don't have a concrete idea of what the ball could be, we will when we actually get our hands on it.
@@mew2o635 there is no problem with current ball. Pumping air is not a problem. Making the game of basketball better and more appealing is the goal of league. Plastic ball doesn't.
@@Vyuel synthetic leather.
Another problem I don't hear about and a big one in my opinion is the sound or lack thereof. Idon't like it because the sound of the dribble plays a Big part and without that if you don't have eyes on your taking away a very useful benifit that these new balls can't have. If it ain't broke don't fix it. They're trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist just to make money. This is only good for people to use indoors
This channel is so underrated 🚀
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I think this is the answer to a problem no one asked for. I understand the need to explore new technology but there is nothing wrong with the current balls used. If they are looking to try it out under real game conditions then what about the G-League. It's relatively low-pressure but has similar gameplay conditions to the NBA.
It's an answer to a problem no one had because the real reason the NBA is doing this is to save money.
They have no convincing reason to switch balls outside of trying to reduce costs so that's probably the reason they're so desperate for people to stop asking why.
it removes the air pressure variable from the game. why they test air pressure before each game and ask the players to choose a ball? if you have an airless ball they all would have the same bounce and aerodynamics, then its all about the player skill. don't forget tom brady deflating a ball on purpose, that would be impossible with a ball like that.
@@AkuraTheAwesome Reduce costs? They pay millions to bench warmers. Basketballs are a tiny fractions of the total costs for the NBA.
@@Fankas2000 that's why they're trying to reduce costs. It's always about the money.
call me crazy but what if its a way for nba to secretly manipulate ball?!?!?!?! get society to accept the ball then use air balst to either help or hinder ball going in basket? amm i too high or wht@@AkuraTheAwesome
I honestly didn't know basketballs got upgraded, I always just thought they looked the way they did due to aging/weathering. Although, I do have 3 balls, one from 90s, 00s, and 2021. I also didn't realize how expensive they were.
The holes would affect shooting as the ball would interact differently with the fingers, and thats crucial. Especially upon releasing the ball. You don't just bounce and shoot it either. You rebound, catch fast passes, etc, and there's no guarantee that you'll palm the ball perfectly so I can see some chipped nails too, possibly scratches on the fingers.
sounds to me like it could be used more skillfully to curl throw, which I think is awesome personally raising the skill/possibilities of the game is great for player challenge and for spectators.
I bet they will sell The ball with the holes in it for novelty at first but then they'll apply the same technology to a more traditional basketball and what I mean by that is the ball you see will be the bladder of the basketball and they'll still cover it in a leather so that grip still feels the same but never needs to be pumped that's just my opinion
That’d be interesting!!
@@BasketballClub yeah I figured that would be the logical outcome to keep a traditional feel from the moment I saw that ball at the dunk contest....by the way keep up the good work
@Noah I would think it would be lighting up the material a bit and then using the same process as a traditional basketball really shouldn't be much of a problem for Wilson
Ouu you smart. That's a good one
the video starts at 3:20
There’s a reason knives have been unchanged for thousands of years - because the original design nailed it. There’s no need to reinvent a ball filled with air, it’s good because of its simplicity.
Actually they have,like do you think you are using the same thing as the primitives
If the balls are usable in other sports really depends on the kind of sport. For european football it will likely not be usable, because the balls are supposed to have some squeeze. I would assume it would make a lot of sense for tennis on sturdy underground.
The biggest advantage I see of such a ball is that the NBA could adjust the properties of it. Like they may want it to be a bit heavier or lighterin the future. Or maybe bounce a bit more or a bit less. Things that are much easier to acheive with this approach
Going by formlabs powder pricing it should cost $60-70 per ball for the nylon powder used (maybe half that for wilson?). The price of the printer should be about $1 per ball over 5 years which sounds surprisingly low but I tripple checked the math. Add to that skilled labor and marketing and r&d and profits, and $200+ per ball sounds about right. Maybe in the low 100s in a few years
Hahahahahaha 200 dollars COG is absolutely horrible. This ball is just marketing fluff and the company has no serious plans to release this at scale. Powder bed sintering is not cheap at all and is probably the most inefficient manufacturing method for a product that needs to be produced in volume while necessitating a low price point. A ball that costs 200 dollars to make needs to be sold at 1000 dollars to make any sort of profit. Nobody is paying 1000 dollars for a basketball...
@@andrewgeng5302 It not costing 1000 dollars. It should cost around the same the same as the official NBA ball, 200/250 dollars.
You got the math for what you did? 😂
$1000 would be cheap for that to be 3d printed.
This sounds about right, the biggest problem would really be that it's a hassle to reuse unfused powder. Because it has to be mixed with new unused powder. So basically it'd be much slower to make than a normal ball. I'd say maybe a little more because printers require new parts & maintenance every so often. (Ask me how I know... my Fuse 1 needs a new air filter)
The aerodynamics will be very different, maybe you could compensate by changing the shape and using it outside would reduce its lifespan probably quicker than in a regular ball. That is my opinion.
So while the inside is heavier, there is no heavy outside layer so its likely lighter or the same
@@MADEINNSW he said it weighs the same as current regulation in the video
Why do people always say this? Like, would Wilsom, a billion-dollar company actually not take into account aerodynamics? Do people not for one second think that Wilson doesn't know about this and have released it like this because it works? I'm not saying I'm right, but I juts highly doubt Wilson will be dumb enough to not take this into account when making a basketball.
@@titan8084 They could just be making a gimmicky ball that sells only in novelty
@@titan8084 you got way too much blind faith in companies who simply want to sell product...
I never was a big basketball fan, but i did a 9 month stint in juvie when i was 17, had my 18th birthday there. I played basketball every single day for hours then, and i really enjoy the sport, its super fun. It will be interesting to see how this ball if it is adopted makes any impact or if its just going to be the same. The bouncy sound of the current basketball is iconic, and not having that sound is going to be really odd.
wow, sounds fun, I am missing out. Maybe I need to go to juvie.
4:08 A boomerang doesn't curve because of the magnus effect. A traditional boomerang turns because it acts like a wing, creating an area of high pressure air on one side and low pressure on the other. The magnus effect is caused by the difference in relative air speed encountering each side of a spinning object. It's not really the same. Or if it is the same, then it's also the same as blowing out a candle because it vaguely involves differences in air pressure.
Difference in air velocity creates difference on pressure, that's how wings on planes work. High vel -> low pressure, low vel -> more pressure
@@thesebas3090 I agree that's how a wing works.
You brought up from great points on this ball. I hope Wilson is not going wait too long to release it to public. The first version is not gonna be great but Wilson will benefits greatly from public feedback and make improvement on it.
There's literally no point or valid reason to redesign basketballs other than to monetize a new product to push on people. This whole thing is incredibly dumb and pointless.
@@derpderpin1568 people said the same thing when Elon Musk resigned automobile and when Steve Jobs resigned mobile phone.
@@EverythingBasketballs no people been knew a electric car would be better it’s just that the car companies wouldn’t allow it for years bc they would lose out on billions of dollars. Steve Jobs is a good point though but as far as a new basketball it’s not really going to effect the average person having a new ball.
@@derpderpin1568 I agree however there is the potential of this tech spreading to other sports. Possibly even creating new opportunities for entirely new sports that wouldn’t work well with an air inflated ball. There’s potential and it’s too early to call it useless
@@rcarb024 oh yeah this would make the perfect "BASEketball". Gimme a break this is some dipshit in the board room trying to be the smartest guy in the room. Bet they've pumped well over a million already into this pointless endeavor. That's a lot of 200 dollar basketballs to sell. Basketballs that will perform worse than a regular basketball. 5 dollar ball will work better than that holey mess.
My concern with the new tech is how will it hold up to pressure on it. While basketballs aren’t designed for sitting/falling onto, will they be able to support the weight of someone on it without the support of the air pressure. Oh, and how will these work for playing pool basketball or near a body of water?
And the sweat, skin etc pouring and accumulating inside... imagine the smell and the fungal/bacterial growth... I dunno, imho all this sounds kinda retarded and mainly a PR stunt... or a lame attempt at a semi scam
I remember how big a deal it was when the balls came out with a built-in pump. I bought one the first time I saw it. I loved it. It's always amazing to see the shockwaves it creates when something new comes out.
There’s no way you could do a ball like this for soccer, tennis, or baseball. The magnus effect is super important for all these sports.
Besides, tennis balls and baseballs aren’t pressurized so it removes that whole excuse for replacing them anyways.
@@Weaseltube tennis balls are pressurized. They just get discarded when they lose pressure.
3:10 : so, this is that feeling that people feel, when they see themselves on tv, without expecting it…
😂😂😂
Great vid!
Good points.
The concept itself is cool that you don't need to pump the ball up again.
But if it costs that much and indeed small parts might get into the ball frequently when playing outdoor (yes, not all courts are that clean) it will be annoying and majority of ballers won't buy it.
Make one hole SLIGHTLY larger than the rest to allow debris that fit into the 99% of them to fall out of the one?
@@zombieno1 I don't think that is an option. You then get a spot on the ball that will bounce different, feel different, etc. You need the entire ball to be uniform for competitive play.
@@christopherlowe2254 I'm only suggesting an ever so slightly larger hole that would allow whatever can fit in the normal holes. It wouldn't affect the ball enough.
someone in the comments suggested they print the ball as is but also print a smaller holed mesh layer inside, but then that would add to the weight and throw it off so idk how theyre gonna fix it for outdoor use
@@zombieno1 then that's a bigger hole for bigger debris, wtf dude i hope you're still in school
My immediate thought is they made a rich person basketball, so now it's impossible for poor people to train for NBA tryouts
I feel like it would feel weird rolling off your fingers because when you release the ball it might roll off those little holes differently each time affecting the shot.
it's the same with the seams and bumps/grip on a regular basketball, though.
That's cause your technique is wrong baby
@@kkim5000 ummm no. you usually USE and RELY on those seams to line up a 3 point shot or a free throw, or at least I always did
plus the new ball still has simulated seams and sections
I would wager to say that the iteration that makes it to official game ball may have this technology in it, but I think they’ll put a skin on it. Maybe drop the weight of the structure just slightly to account for a solid skin and then the holes won’t be visible. If the material works as fas as bounce and durability, they can just replace the bladder of the current ball design with it, more or less. You won’t see it or feel it.
This would be the way, if they could make it somehow indistinguishable from the current ball it might work. I'd wager to guess currently way more than 50% of NBA players would protest this ball, it would change shots in probably pretty significant ways
I'm not sure you could do that. The bounce and characteristics of this ball is 100% dependent on the materials qualities of the surface layer - how it bends, flexes, compresses, etc - because that's all there is. That's unlike a normal ball where the internal bladder is what's responsible for those characteristics. Putting a skin on the surface of this ball would almost certainly change those properties.
If you put skin on it it's just a normal ball with air in it
@@Mikeyjfox1 It's not. A normal ball relies on its internal bladder for bounce and structure. This relies on its outside structure for bounce.
@@Mikeyjfox1 not how it works
Who cares how it plays outside? It’s not like normal basketballs will be banned. Just get a normal one then lol
There seems to be more negatives than benifits.
I’m mostly concerned about the grip. Is it more slippery than a normal ball? I have a hard time palming a basketball as it is.
They tried this is Football (Soccer) an they scrapped it because Knuckle balls or as u said the Magnus Effect it wouldn’t make the ball Spin as Much the air would pass through an wouldn’t curve as much.
But with soccer you have way different velocities to consider along with warping do to heavy impact from a foot kicking it. A baskball goes thru way less stress than a ball being kicked the hell out of.
I feel like this could be really awesome. If they found a way to wrap it in a heavy material with grip, like leather, I think this could make massive leaps for basketball technology. Really excited so get my hands on this at some point.
genius idea
Yea when I seen the thumbnail I initially thought it was showing the inside of the ball
1:57 you would be very surprised. And really it doesn't matter if they change what ball is used, the players will just have to get good if a new ball is used.
Anybody playing outside with a 2,500 dollar ball is insane.
HOW ARE FANS SUPPOSED TO GET AUTOGRAPHS?!?!???? 0:08
simple. On a hat or a shoe.
I have a printer like this at my studio but I don’t think we can print as big as the ball, but it’s a cool machine for sure. The dust in ours is grey instead of white
My question would be, on the same idea of rocks/debri getting inside the ball and causing issues. What about things like dirt/or dust. It can cling to skin of a reg. basketball, but with this model, the inside as well. 1 issue stated in the video is the Air-flow going through the ball already changing the feel of your shot. Playing a game, and things that can effect that air-flow will also effect your shot, which will probably change throughout the game and things accumulate. Honestly I wouldn't replace the official game ball, but maybe use it for special events, for example the Dunking contest. It's a good flex for 1 company to provide a product that no one else can offer, go ahead and make those profits but as someone else already eloquently put it, why fix something that isn't broke, reinventing the wheel doesn't make it a better wheel!
If it aint broke, dont fix it. The basketball has more or less entirely endured decades of play unchanged bar slight changes to stitching and the materials. Much smaller changes than one like this. I just get the same energy from this ball as the 2006 Spalding synthetic ball. For players who have been using, more or less, identical balls for decades the change of the new ball will require HUGE adjustments. The most drastic to me is the 'feel' of the ball. I think there's a clear reason as to why they chose the dunk contest to show off this ball, as opposed to replicating the prototype and using them as the moneyballs in the 3pt contest or something similar. Overall I genuinely have almost no optimism towards this ball becoming the norm, it seems tremendously similar to how car manufacturers will release concept cars that they have no real plans to roll out. Its a proof of concept used to garner attention to the brand and paint a picture of a 'better future'.
You don't have to worry about anything getting stuck in the basketball as no one is going to buy them since they cost $2,500 each and they look stupid like a marketing gimmick.
I'm interested because of the magnet tech. If the raw material is some how infused with metal or magnets that means affecting shots will be easier than it is currently. It's would be easier to produce compared to the Wilson I suppose.
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@@kidssnyder9680 look up magnetic basketball or magnetic football.
I think its dumb for them to put so much focus into making it the exact same as a leather ball. It will never be the same and players will have to adapt to it but we had to get rid of the air-pressure inconsistencies and other issues at one point.
I just hope the change in aerodynamics doesnt change how shots are shot with curveballs and shi.
I don't play basketball, but I did have some fun with my friends a few times.
My main issue with this would probably be weight, a regular ball has more weight in it and is pretty balanced. If this ball is lighter than a standard ball... it would definitely mess the rhythm a player has (like say you play COD then play CS:GO, still the same... but it takes a moment to readjust) and another thing is... since it's hexagonal the surface area doesn't become balanced like a normal ball would.
I think the only fix that needs to be made is just apply the normal leather to the outside and have the 3d printed part be the core so it’s basically a normal basketball that you don’t have to fill with air like intended
Lmaoooo that would make WAYYYYYY more sense
Doesn't work, that'd create more air resistance sadly
@@Rom3TV how
Bonding an outside layer that was not part of the core structure would be the biggest issue, especially given the surface area of the core.
@@slavchansidorov32 Because part of the reason the ball flies as a normal basketball is the aerodynamics of the ball letting air through, if we disrupt the airflow logically the ball acting differently
About the "airflow," i'd assume it would be much worse in windy conditions. I could be wrong, but wouldn't that make it easier for the wind to push it? Same reason when you throw a pickleball when it's windy it's trajectory is heavily affected. Maybe not tho, I don't know for sure.
It has holes. I could easily argue the wind would have much less of an effect on it. The only actual problem is the rocks getting inside it, but nothing a bit of sweeping won´t cure.
@@rodrigogonzalez6219 I would think that the wind entering one side of the openings could push on the inside wall of the ball a bit before exiting out the other side?
@@speedy4659 No, it has less surface area for the wind to fully affect it. Im pretty sure it would also be the same weight as the normal ball so wind would affect it less.
Since it's going be a ball for NBA I don't really think they care about rocks or wind gust since they are trying make the perfect nba ball not the perfect streetball ball
@@speedy4659 No, that's not how it works.
yes, the win will enter inside and hit the small insides, but did it never hit you that in a regular ball, the wind still hits the outer surface of the wall?
It has a lot more surface to hit compared to the negligable walls on the inside.
The whole ball has less surface area, and so the wind will affect it way less than an actual ball.
I think would probably fly better through the air but may not fly like you expect. I more question if this thing would be comfortable to play with for a long period of time. The whiffle design might give it more grip, but it might also increase blisters.
I think they should test it out in the next all star game making it the game ball. Also Have the best shooters see if it affects their shots or not
Or just don't bother making it at all because it's completely pointless other than to monetize a new product to push on people.
I think college games would be the best testing area, you get a larger pool of data in a shorter amount of time compare to NBA. College players have just about the right amount of basketball knowledge to provide a review
5:09 the score
in my opinion the prototype ball is just a preview of what the inside looks like but i would think the final product will have a closed holes
Well the prototype is what the final ball would be like. But this is a cool idea! 🤔
i second that, leather over the ball most likely.
bro how the air gonna get in then
@@mikeyfreeman5776there isn't air that's the point of the balls....the air isn't watch make the ball bounce its what makes the ball ridget enough to bounce
@@BasketballClubit's a prototype lol things chance in each prototype usually if things were not going change they probly wouldn't be calling it a prototype.... they are doing more testing as they find issues they refine the process till they get they final model
You can keep rocks out by putting a bladder inside. You hold the bladder in place with air pressure! 😂
I remember the NBA experimented with synthetic leather basketballs for short period of time back in 2006 or something. And the players absolutely hated them. They were hated so much, the NBA decided to ditch them, and bring back the traditional ones in the middle of the season iirc. So no, I think these 3d printed basketballs have long way to go even after clearing the aerodynamics side of things.
Wilson will give LeBron about 50 million dollars and a percentage of ball sales to say its the best ball he's ever used. He's going to use his platform to sell a 200 dollar basketball to the poorest demographic in America. The urban youth are going to get an overpriced and inferior product.
I wonder if the holes are big enough to have an effect on someones ability to manipulate the ball like how jordan used to do the one handed ball fake. Could you fit enough of your fingertips into the ball to "palm" the ball better? Just a thought.
This would make it easier for short guys like me to dunk, since I can’t really grip a normal ball🤷🏻♂️
@@BasketballClub dunk with both hands, problem solved :D
2:37 no wonder these balls are so weird
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Its crazy that they now charge $2500 USD for this. Like there is NO WAY that it costs anywhere close to that to produce it.
Maybe in season tourney?? Or Summer League? Idk just some thoughts on when they may be thinking of testing it out with the Pros
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No way. Remember when they went to synthetic balls for a while?
No. You test this is youth levels, amateur but NOT in a business that makes money and players career are at play. (that includes rookies in summer). NEVER be the sucker known as first adopters.
When you have a few years of testing you then have the players spend a year with the new ball and finally you have THEM decide if they use this ball. They are not guinea pigs And honestly, there is no reason to change the balls they use now because they don't use that many balls each year.
The real question is why?
so you no longer have to deal with pumping them up
More consistent and takes out any variables.
Don't have to worry about pressure
Pressure changes from use, temperature and humidity.
That's just the most obvious reasons.
If it works it's a huge step and deal.
I think the bounce being different and the wind resistance being different is a good thing. Changes stuff up a little bit, players need to relearn and possibly discover new ways of playing with this ball. I think it will be refreshing.
I wish the players would see it that way
Nope
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Synthetic balls are inferior to leather balls in several aspects. Firstly, synthetic balls lose their shape at a significantly faster rate compared to leather balls. Secondly, the grip of leather balls improves with use, whereas synthetic balls deteriorate rapidly with usage.
There is NOTHING better than leather.
It'll be so interesting to see if they nail the feel/performance of a classic ball. I really want to try one!
It looks cool. Very futuristic. But I wonder if it would have been better to just make the new ball out of the best kind of rubber but make it solid. I didn't know keeping basketballs inflated was such a big problem we had to come up with this drastic of a solution. 🏀
My biggestr problem with it is the feel of touching it. Not feeling a solid material under your fingers and instead feeling holes under it sounds damn bad to me.
Exactly what I was thinking. The edges of the holes are going to bite into your fingers after a while.
@@chasewebb7417 yeah and your fingers gonna kinda fit into the holes and give the ball way bigger spin than with a normal ball when it is only the traction you can use to spin. Here you can kinda grab the ball with your fingertips
Suggestions:
1) Balloon inside the ball that prevents entry of dust and solid particles.
2) Or design the holes that allow one-way going outside while maintaining internal air pressure.
3) Accessory vacuum cleaner equipment that cleans up the insides of the ball.
4) Give out free prototypes to small communities and collect the reactions of players as bases for improvement.
Gimmick.
I have over 25+ years experience in product design and engineering and can call one when I see one.
*Refuses to elaborate*
Give it to the WNBA.
No we want the testers to make shots with a normal ball
Basketballs in Ohio be like:
Lol
It's gonna be the perfect trivia fodder for a future basketball movie.
"Did you know the ball in Dunk the Future (2038) is based on a real airless basketball prototype developed by Wilson?"
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Video title: NBAs new balls... Last quote "we do NOT have any plans to change the balls". Yea, you get a dislike for that one :P
a lot of things on the board at 0:52 are actually useless
underrated youtuber. Also the original basketball is iconic and good. The slight inconvenience of having to pump air into it doesn't bother most people.
I 100% agree with you
Coming from mtb I absolutely get it, sports on a high performance level always begs for innovation and improvements in all sections. People tend to linger on the past and current solutions, forgetting, that these were achieved incrementally through minor improvements.
"You won't be able to do that with your own 3d printer at home." Tell that to carterpcs, dude already did that 💀
The problem with the airflow is that you have more contact area due to the holes and thus more friction, which means the new ball will *probably* curve more.
"If it aint broke, dont fix it" is what my dad always told me. Just sounds like some cool tech that costs more than the current thing and does the same thing...
Let's be honest, it's more about how to monopolize the market. If this company succeed, that's mean they have exclusive deal that worth billion dollars.
And They have the patent, so other companies need times and resources to catch up.
Even further, if it become standard around the world, that mean they succeed to monopolize global market. Even small event will need their products.
What if other companies succeed to catch up? This company, with connection with NBA, they just need propose new model again.